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What does /a/ think of Neon Genesis Evangelion?

What do you think of the congratulations ending?
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It's okay I guess
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>>102141505
Shit show
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>What does /a/ think about NGE
It's not like we talk about this every fucking day right?
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10/10 it's ok
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>>102141716
This.

It was a pretty good show for me. I don't give it as much praise as I used to when I was younger. A lot of people tend to overrate it but whatever floats their boat.

I didn't like the congratulations ending.
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I actually liked the original ending and am glad I watched it. A lot of people told me to skip the last two episodes and watch EoE. But I watched the whole series then EoE. The original ending may not have been a huge action sequence, bit if served the purpose of giving the characters an inner debate about their motives and why life is worth living
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I hate the rebuilds.
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>>102141505
0/10 Masterpiece
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NGE is great
Congratulations Ending was good to

3.0 however is absolute SHIT
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>>102141971
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>>102141505
9/10 for me. My favorite anime series.
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Asuka is best girl. Rebuild a shit.
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Favourite anime, gave me my favourite anime char pic related.

Congratulations ending was interesting, and good in that sense, bit of mixed feelings on it since I felt that this anime could do so much more.

As for Rebuild, I hope Anno slips on ice and breaks his hip or something, while the clouds form a giant "FUCK YOU ANNO" in the sky.
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So what is with these rebuilds? Are they just story retellings or some weird after the 3rd impact shit gets reset, try again, better luck next time stuff?
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>>102142328
Narrow consensus is that they are sequels disguised as remakes.
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>>102142424
So Neon Genesis Groundhogs Day
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>>102142550
Or the plot of a well known Eva doujin substituting Kaworu for Shinji and Shinji for Asuka.
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Nice music.
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>>102142328
>some weird after the 3rd impact shit gets reset, try again, better luck next time stuff?

Pretty much this. It's a pseudo sequel.
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Posting best grill.
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>>102143115
That's not Kaworu.
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>>102143187
kaworubunga
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>>102143115
Reported for literal shitposting.
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>>102143187
Kaworu is a g-gril?
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>>102143324
Everyone knows boys make the best girls
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>>102143324
But of course
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>>102143115
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You can pinpoint the exact time this thread went to shit.
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>>102143187
That's not Shinji.
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>>102143689
>Love interest for Shinji
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>>102142151
The rebuild was good...
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>>102143698
Here? >>102143187
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What's /a/'s take to the EoE ending btw? People being able to come back to life if they have the will and can imagine themselves as they were?

What would happen to all the babies?
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>>102143852
Here >>102143115
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>>102143830
First two maybe, since it's like the first part of the series, ready to grow into something great.

3.0 was shit and now Rebuild is nothing but shitty pseudo-deep pandering.
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>Eric Finch?
>Yep
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>>102143917

I'm gonna watch that movie again just for the fight scenes.
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>>102143917
>Bloody 'ell
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>>102143830
1 and 2 sure. 3 can be summarized by the words "Gay pianos"
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>>102143899

3.0 is simply bizarre. The closest analogue I can think of is Samurai Flamenco's shift from a fairly realistic setting to all-out toku flamboyance.

Alternatively, it's as if - At the end of Chuu2 - Yuuta spontaneously manifested magic powers, and used them to blow up his school. Then wandered off to battle demons as the Dark Flame Master.
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>>102143970
>How many went out?
>So far we count 8 boxcars, several hundred thousand at least
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>>102143881
Part of the point was that there weren't any -- after Second Impact, there were no new souls left in the Chamber of Guf.
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>>102144020
>The problem is, that Anno knows us better than we know ourselves, that's why I went to Gainax last night
>That's outside quarantine
>I had to see it
>There wasn't much left, but when I was there it was strange.
>I suddenly had this feeling, that everything was connected
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>>102144000
It's not bizarre like that at all. EVA is legitimately sci-fi.
It's just bad.
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>>102144020
>The problem is, that Anno knows us better than we know ourselves, that's why I went to Gainax last night
>That's outside quarantine
>I had to see it
>There wasn't much left, but when I was there it was strange.
>I suddenly had this feeling, that everything was connected
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>>102143852
I'd say here >>102143115
but it went ultra-mega-super shit here: >>102143187

>>102144096
>>102144020
>>102143970
>>102143917
I don't even remember the book/movie any more, so I can't tell where it's going.
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>>102144114

Yeah, I think you put it better. I'm just saying, I always thought EVA was about psychological horror first, giant robots second. But now that the literal apocalypse has come and gone, and everything is on a massive scale - SEAS OF BLOOD. MOUNTAINS OF SKULLS. - the psychological issues don't actually seem to matter any more.

I mean, the end of the world has literally come and gone. Exactly what is anyone trying to accomplish now? What's the point of...Well, any of this?
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>>102144177
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>>102143115
>>102143187
I didn't think the eva fanbase could get more cancerous but then this happens.
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>>102144256
>It was like I could see the whole thing, one long chain of events that stretched all the way back to before the series
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>>102144239
The Rebuilds are Evangelion for the people who don't like Evangelion.
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>>102144335
>I felt like I could see everything that had happened
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>>102144239
To survive, even some flowers grow on scorched land.
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>>102144394
>and everything that was going to happen
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>>102144461
I swear this scene in the previews made me angry to tears
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>>102143852
The post before that, but that post made it worse.
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>>102144239
Your mistake, and a mistake many make.

You cannot fathom how angry I get when people say "EVA isn't sci-fi, that's not it's point!", it's so bizarre to see people pretend it's not sci-fi when that's exactly what it is.

Evangelion is everything it contains, and that's that. It has sci-fi, drama, psychological horror, it's ALL of it.

>I mean, the end of the world has literally come and gone. Exactly what is anyone trying to accomplish now? What's the point of...Well, any of this?
Let me tell you what the point is. The point of it is to be as vague and non-constructive and possible while making intermittent statements about canon and the characters. This is done through explicit dialogue and loads of symbolism.
The meaning can be fanwanked in by fans who are confused (but still have faith in EVA) to make up a meaning.

So this guy for instance: >>102144377
Is a bit wrong. Rebuild is for people who like some things but not others as much.

This is why much of the focus is gone, and everything that's left is essentially, moe pandering. Even what little promise there was from the first and second is gone in the third.
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>>102144461
>It was like a perfect pattern, laid out in front of me, and I realised that we were all part of it, and all trapped by it.
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ASUKA IS A SLUT!
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>So, do you know what's going to happen?
>No, it was a feeling, but I can guess
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>>102144599
>So, do you know what's going to happen?
>No, it was a feeling, but I can guess
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>>102144757
get on with it
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>>102144757
>With so much butthurt, someone will do something stupid
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>>102144812
>and when they do, things will turn nasty and then, the fans will be forced to do the only thing they know how to do
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>>102144947
>shitpost on the internet
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>>102144947
>At which point, all Anno needs to do is keep his word and then...
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>>102145073
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>>102141505
>What do you think of the congratulations ending?
Perfect in every way except plotwise.
But there's EoE for that
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>>102143115
I seriously hope you get ovary cancer for your dedicated mari shitposting
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>What do you think of the congratulations ending?

It could have been so much more profound if at the end it just cut to Anno in an empty theatre, slow clapping at the viewer with an angry face
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>>102145268
That's just pretentious and lame.
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>>102145126
So this, then.
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>>102141505
the original show is great, but the last two episodes sucked. The characters have really endured over the past twenty years, and that's the real reason for it's longevity-- not because of the Christian symbolism or because of it's "deepness." Shinji crushing Karou has such an incredible dramatic weight to it that it's still impressive even though I know it's coming.

if you replace the last two episodes with The End of Evangelion, it pretty much fixes the ending, though.

Rebuild is a terrible piece of shit and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. It's just explosions and fanservice. Michael Bay might as well have directed it.
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>>102146772
Will I really be missing anything if I don't watch them?
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>>102147164
You won't be missing a single thing.
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>>102147320

Well shit. I guess I can put them on the back burners and save them for another day.
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>>102147625
Literally put them in the burners and don't watch 'em.
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I love all the girls equally. Only way to settle who is best is a catfight
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>>102146772
"the last two episodes sucked"
>"replace the last two episodes with The End of Evangelion, it pretty much fixes the ending,"

>Bashes Rebuild for Michael Bay-ness
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>>102147625
Just wait until 4.0 is out, and then just marathon them all.
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>>102146772
its the year two thousand and fourteen and people are still saying to skip the broadcast ending
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Fuck 3.0.
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>>102141505
The fact that you don't know what /a/ thinks of NGE means that you need to leave.
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Anyone who doesn't like Rebuild is a fucking nigger.
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>>102149769
What if I was accepting of it until 3.0?
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>>102149948
I pity you.
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>>102152534
because?
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>>102152732
Because you're black
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>>102152864
Well your mom likes her dicks black, so I'm fine and so is she
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The most overrated thing ever. I mean it.
It's okay though, not bad.
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>>102152953
Nice le epic maymay mah dude xP
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It's the best thing since IHOP.
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>Doing freelance IT repair job for small engineering firm
>Repairing ancient automated call distributor (faulty PSU)
>No passwords
>Have a quick browse around the interface
>Option to set hold music
>Examine format and sample rate (8KHz 16 bit wav)
>Replace shitty MIDI rendition of Allegro from Spring with this:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1bOvepglefd
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>>102154089
I'm too high for this.
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I prefer the congratulations ending over the EoE ending.
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>>102154089
Nice. Did you loop that yourself?
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>>102154867
Yeah, it was just a hack job in Audacity.
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>>102154089
hah, that'd be a real trip to recognize on the phone
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I wanted more Gendo and Fuyutski
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>>102155496
wait, what
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>>102155598
I love them and they need more screen time
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Reading 2ch threads makes me think we're more like them than we think, lots of criticism only perhaps with a little more "depth" because they have more knowledge of the industry.

The exception is that there's a lot of blatantly open fanfag shipping, but at least it's contained in it's own threads.

>>102141505
/a/ seems quite fond of Evangelion.
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>>102155496
What's this from?
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>>102144037
but why?
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>>102155856
Go to a booru and search for pictures with Fuyutski in them. He's not in a lot of them
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>>102148208
what is this supposed to be?
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I still can't believe that the majority of /a/ doesn't get what the Rebuild movies are about.

First of all Anno's stance considering Otakus
He fucking hates them.
For him they are manchildren that'll ruin/are ruining the country.
But instead of scolding them and scaring them off he does something magnificent.

He creates NGE, a show about an MC that has problems with communicating and making friends, like most of the Otakus.
He plays with the powerfantasy, let's Shinji "level up" by defeating angels, but in the end it ends in chaos.
Shinji runs from his problems and pilots the evas to flee from the things he needs to face in regard to social matters. Exactly like Otakus watch Anime, read manga to flee from the real world around them.

In the end Shinji stops piloting, gets out of the tang because he doesn't want to live in a fake world and starts to live his life like he wants.

But the Otakus didn't get the message.
They bought the merchandise and sperged about the shipping and who the best "waifu" is.

The exact opposite of what Anno intended.

So he created a plan, the greatest plan Anime makers have every realised up until now, not even second to the endless 8 master troll stance.

A plan to bait all evangelion fans and trap them to face them with the real message of EVA.

The first movie: Nearly identical to the original.
The veterans expect nothing, it is eva, it has new visuals and the same mood.
Now onto the second movie, the grand bait.
A perverted version of Evangelion, lots of fanservice, action and a manly Shinji. And the people loved it and took the hook.
And now unto the great third movie: The reconciliation to what eva makes eva.
No hero shinji, no shipping only despair and confusion.
What did the "glorious" piloting do? It destroyed the world the same way escapism destroys the life of the otaku.

All this effort to punch the otaku in the guts.

And this is why I still call Anno unironically The Master.
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>>102156280
The most worrying thing here is that you actually believe that, and you've tricked yourself to believe that because you can't handle Evangelion.
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>>102156448
there is SOME truth in what he said, but Evangelion's message is a little more complex than that. Also, Anno doesn't hate otaku.
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>>102156280
Anon. You are insane.

Have you seen rebuild? The third movie is the worst otaku-pandering of them all. I mean no shipping? Really? Have you even watched 3.0?
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>>102156555
>there is SOME truth in what he said, but Evangelion's message is a little more complex than that. Also, Anno doesn't hate otaku.
Like what? This guy thinks Anno hates otaku and that it even matters. It's an extremely dumb unpragmatic view on the reality of Evangelion.

The reality of what is going on with Evangelion will probably shatter his mind.
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>>102156575
you mean the kaworu-guu~ which heads explodes right infront of him.
yeah, I've seen it.

what i mean with shipping is something along the lines of longer lasting relationsships
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Goddamnit why do we have to have ten NGE threads a day you autismal NEET bastards. Why can't we obsess about Planetes or something else objectively superior?
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>>102156790
because the characters are cute

anno says so
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>>102156676
>Anno not hating otakus

you should read up on Anno or shitpost somewhere else
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>>102156280
>doesn't know that Anno is the otaku supreme and Rebuild is his otaku fantasy
Anon. NGE was good, but Rebuild isn't really about sending a message like that.
Anno himself, is an otaku and has never said he hates otaku. In fact, he's said that people who criticize otaku are making a mistake because they don't understand.
When asked about whether or not his works is criticizing that group, he actually denied it, but added that he does consider the fans.

It's such a terrible lie you've taught to yourself.

Rebuild is in the end, Anno's otaku fantasy - so convoluted and vapid that people need to fill in it's vast emptiness with pretensions.
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>>102156676
I believe he is correct about the rebuilds, Anno is using them to criticize the NGE fanbase and make money at the same time.

>>102156921
He belives that their way of life is wrong and/or self-destructive and wants them to change, but he doesn't hate them, quite the contrary.
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>>102156790
>planetes

Planetes only had two cute girls. Evangelion has four: Asuka, Rei, Misato and Shinji
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>>102157022
He doesn't hate them. He just wants them to go outside instead of masturbating to 14 year old drawings all the time
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>>102157022
okay, I agree hate is too harsh. If he hated them he wouldn't have put the effort into trying to change their way of lifes.
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>>102157131
that's what I said you tool
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>>102156921
He actually doesn't.

>>102157022
>I believe he is correct about the rebuilds, Anno is using them to criticize the NGE fanbase and make money at the same time.
He's not. He's using it to pander to himself and by extension, others as well.

That is the primary objective, and it's the only thing that has rung true thus far. It is the one impenetrable constant truth of Rebuild. Before there is any sort of criticism you put in, there is the objective nature of the Rebuild series as a massively pandering exercise.
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Word on the street is that after 4.44 comes out, Anno & Gainax are going to finally release the NGE BDs and animate the manga from start to finish, since it's supposed to be the final "cycle". According to the 2ch source this is also why Imaishi and co left, because they wanted to do their own thing instead of spending the next few years working on Evangelion.
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>>102156986
>>102157298
>>102156575

I believe you are the same person, and in my opinion you really have a problem.
You don't seem to understand that Evangelion wasn't a show about giant robots killing Kaiju.
And it wasn't about being dark and noir.

Those were just the cover for a message Anno wanted to convey.
He self was suffering from depression and was concerned about the way is country changed, people reading mangas in public and what not.
For him all this was wrong, the way the anime industry currently worked - he despised it.

So he created Eva.
There are some really good articles on the web if you search a bit that explain it more eloquently than I ever could.
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>>102157022
>>102156921
It's better said that the Rebuilds aren't criticizing otaku per se, they're otaku pandering in the guise of criticizing otaku.
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>>102156763
>what i mean with shipping is something along the lines of longer lasting relationsships
Well then, you don't know what shipping is.
Ironically you're wrong since this new movie, if you didn't catch the symbolism, perhaps technically has the longest lasting relationship of them all.

>>102157746
You're wrong then, but the problem is with you since you can't tell facts from fiction.

NGE is one thing, Rebuild is another.
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>>102157298
Way to ignore my argument and get it wrong at the same time. I'm two of those, rightly because I'm responding to another person on it.

It's best if you stop pretending I think Evangelion is something I don't, you don't get to make strawmen like:
>You don't seem to understand that Evangelion wasn't a show about giant robots killing Kaiju.
>And it wasn't about being dark and noir.

and still pretend you're right.

Now read >>102157298
again and make a REAL reply.
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>>102158173
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Personally I'd love to see the whole first series released on Blu-ray. The renewal versions of course along with EoE. Screw people who say there is no point because a lot of it was shot on 16mm. If there are benefits of scanning in 32mm film at 4k then there are benefits to doing 16mm at 1080p. And they need to sort out the aspect ratio to keep it as intended bearing in mind that SD TV's "pixels" weren't square but rectangular which some other restores seems to have overlooked.

Love of the original aside I think the question of whether or not there will be something more is pretty easy to answer - just look at how the revenues have climbed for the three films thus far...

Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone $18,759,980
Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance $41,162,041
Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo $59,322,115

They won't throw away this cash cow any time soon. I guess the question then becomes what kind of thing will we see after 4.0? An Evangelion 5.0? A new TV series? A re-animation of the original? Or (my personal favourite) an Evangelion 2.66 (or any number between 2.33 and 3.0) that covers the events after 2.33 but before 3.0...

If I recall correctly Anno had a hand in naming the westernised releases so maybe the numbering scheme hints at something like this... It certainly seems like it would be hard for the story to get wrapped up in a single additional movie... Maybe it wasn't planned in this way but I see it quite likely any loose ends will result in a boatload of bitching causing Anno to release _something_ to tie everything together similar to how he did for the first series with EoE.

Note also that 3.0 is about 15 mins shorter than 2.0. With 4.0 planning presumably nearly complete by the release of 3.0 they would have had to make a choice as to exactly where to cut between the two films. Presumably around the half-way point time wise. Can they have expected to tie up everything in 92 Minutes?
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Lots of people miss the point about the Rebuilds or don't think hard enough about it.
In truth it's not really a criticism, and for the parts of it that may be, it's not a very good one. It would end up missing it's target for criticism quite badly when read as a criticism.

Because at the end of the day, Rebuild caters to it's allegedly criticized audience harder than the original, and some of the manga ever did.
To accept it as a criticism would be utterly hypocritical of the person interpreting it as such, and non-functional as a criticism.

This isn't really that unusual for anime, it's almost common to have anime (or TV-series, movie) feature some aspect of reality and show it failing/working all depending - as a comment of sort.

But when you check out Rebuild, and think of what catering is being done, what's being served, what's being changed (from NGE), it's consistently in tune with the personal desires of the writers - on a superficial level.
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As much as I would love to see the original re-animated I don't think that's going to happen. Anno just doesn't have the patience. The way I see it is that this was the original plan for rebuild but Anno just got bored and wanted to do something new. Culminating in the what-just-happened that is 3.0.

What about a new TV series then? Again this isn't something I see as likely (unfortunately). Anno is too much of a perfectionist to work to the time and budget constraints of a TV series with Eva again...
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>>102158975
>With 4.0 planning presumably nearly complete by the release of 3.0
They most likely haven't planned a single thing.
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I liked NGE overall. Congratulations end made me mad. It's grown on me now, similar to Friday by Rebecca Black. It's something that fans of NGE can laugh at together. It was a "fuck you" to everyone and I loved it.
EoE was nice because it was more Eva. I was equally upset about the confusing ending that displeased me, but the "I'm so fucked up" scene had a similar effect as "Congratulations!" and that's a good thing.

Last but not least, I love the rebuilds. The third one is my favorite, because if you prefer the first two you're just an anti-progressive faggot wearing nostalgia goggles.

The Eva rebuilds are sorta like FMA Brotherhood, in that most of the fans of the rebuilds were fans of the original Eva. Nobody really hated FMA 2003, but I think everyone can agree that Brotherhood was an amazing improvement to a concept they already liked. This is how I feel about Eva. I loved NGE, but the rebuilds feel better in every way.
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>>102159618
You're retarded.
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>>102160208
No, I'm not. You guys are a bunch of 2deep4u loving faggots that try with all your might to understand Eva's allegedly complex plot. The fact that you don't know what the fuck is going on in the third rebuild drives you autistic faggots CRAZY, so you say you hate it. Please direct your hatred at yourself, you sad waste of space.
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>>102159618
>the original ending made you mad
>compares it to rebecca black
>loves the rebuilds
>likes the third one the most
>calls people who don't like a a series of hardly original REMAKES "anti-progressive"

This was a great troll. It really was.
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>>102160311
I'm not trolling at all. Fuck off. Why would you not like the newest in the series the most?

You're just like those losers who try to say Pokemon Red and Green are the best ones.
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>>102160303
Yeah, you're retarded if you think that's the problem people have with EVA on this board. Aggressiveness like that isn't going to make you any more correct or any less retarded.
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>>102160311
it's good to see some people still put in the effort, yknow
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>>102160386
....and you just keep going with the b8.
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>>102141505

I like, it's talked about way too fucking much though. I haven't watched any of the rebuilds yet.

I fucking hated the last two episodes. Anno tried to be 2deep4u and failed. EoE was a better way to end it.
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>>102160551
Right, it's perhaps better made better as an OP. People would bite better then.
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why did ritsuko try to wake up the magis?
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>>102144037
>chamber of guf

pic related. but in rainbows
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>>102156790
because being objectively superior is meaningless when something is subjectively superior
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>>102154089
name pls, I want to chill.
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>>102157131
>pic
>the line beforehand

>paraphrasing: "otaku conversations know no age"

you got me, motherfucker.
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>>102161741
des cordes opus
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does anyone agree 1.0 had the most beautiful scenery? I felt it was too busy on dialogues, however (2.0 had the balance).
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>>102163192
nah mate.
This is quite possibly the scene I liked best in Rebuild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITvbC_dnPV0
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>>102164075
rebuild 2 must have the best ost from the 3.



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