So I just finished FMA Brotherhood and realized something, Scar got away with all the murders... Did this annoy anyone else?
I just started watching FMA:B.
I have avoided the series for so long due 'lel long running shonen fites epic edgemaster XD so kool babbies first anime'. I really don't expect to like it.
Why should it upset you? Scar changed for the better and I think he already "paid" as much by fighting King Bradley.
Scar fought against an Amestris that the whole cast wanted to change. I don't see the good in bringing his murders back and throwing the eye for an eye philosophy, which is something he abandoned himself.
FMA:B is really different from all the other shonen on a variety of ways (and I think one of the rare series /a/ just didn't blindly troll on every occasion when it was airing or published). I think you're really misled on what the series actually is. Hiromu Arakawa really is talented at building a story, telling it, creating relatable and likable characters and all that.
Quite a bit. Dude killed a bunch of pretty well ranked SAs and nobody seems to give a shit about that when he's being all high-and-mighty with Roy.
It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, mostly because of the nice cast. Ed's moral compass is just full of typical shonen bullshit, though. Brace for that.
It's one of the better shounen around.
It falls into a few of the same cliches that every shounen has, but the characters are good and the story is nice and contained.
He killed a bunch of war criminals and a creepy monster dog girl. He's the real fucking hero of FMA.
His face and that shitty nose annoy me.
Brotherhood ending was so shitty even alternative world and Nazis looks good in comparision.
I avoided it because of that. But I found it to be pretty good for a shonen.
I really liked the alternative world thing though...
>'lel long running shonen fites epic edgemaster XD so kool babbies first anime'
Well, sounds like it's the right show for you then.
m8 I have seen more anime than you can dream of.
>killed the Rockbells because uguu aniki
But water-and-sugar endings are cool, anon. Given nippon's massive hardon for tragedy, I mean.
Look at this guy, look at him and laugh!
Roy and all the other Amestrians got away with their many murders of Ishvalans, so they let Scar get away with his murders. Equivalent exchange.
I think a lot of people picked it up with that mindset, and they then found it to be a pretty solid show. Honestly I found it pretty mediocre for a good 15 episodes or so before it was getting interesting, and the terribly weak and repetitive humor wasn't doing it any favors, but it basically got better as the show progressed on. Cliche as fuck predictable ending but it felt right for the show anyway and I felt sad that it was over.
Are you saying the guy doesn't dream?
Except they were soldiers following orders, I guess. Sure, they could leave like Alex, but somebody else would come and do the job.
Scar, in a fairly amazing lapse of logic, went after the soldiers, not the folks ordering them around.
They should have chosen orders that wouldn't get them killed.
I don't think that's a thing you get to do in the army. Besides, there were guys like Kimblee and Basque. Ishbal was fucked from the get go.
>that's a thing you get to do in the army
When you drive on the road anon, you aren't bound to it as if you were a slot car.
Can't argue with that.
Father should've won. Everyone in FMA is a faggot. I was hoping he would transmute everyone, become god and create a perfect world. I mean what the fuck he created a star/sun in his hand and then gets his ass kicked by some half assed alchemist faggot? Bull shit.
Alternative world a-shit
>I'll just attach this chainsaw motor to my arm
>LOL WHAT IS ENGINEERING
The only good things about faggot-in-the-flask were Greed and Lust's tits.
>Not liking superior Roy
>Being so anti-Greed your Envy is showing
>Not enjoying that final fight
Did you even pay attention to the series? The power of the stone meant you could live indefinitely and do anything without paying tribute first, albeit the tribute were the one thousand souls you used to create the stone. The thing with alchemy in the series is that it's hugely limited by 1) the materials used to create what you set out to.. er, create, and 2) the amount of understanding you have. Father was clearly using that stone for a good one thousand years at least, not to mention it was sustaining his existence AND following Hohenheim's shennanigan's, it was nearly at it's limit.
The series even explains it.
except for the whole philosopher stone factory
>Except they were soldiers following orders
So? Doesn't excuse what they did, they could
1. Not enter the army in the first place, at least the state alchemist choosed to become soldiers
2. Not follow orders, which only results in demotion and at worst imprisonment, which from many points of view is better than genocide
3. go against your own army. Sure, you would become a criminal in the eyes of the state, but at least you would be clean of any doubt.
If you do not want that, then prepared to be judged for your murder. If you don't want that, you have no right to judge someone else who is doing the same.
The faggot in the flask was the only one that had character. Everyone else was Moralfag Mcgee and the crybabies. He was going to fix all of god's mistakes.
From what I understand that place was blown up to kingdom come. I mean, maybe they could have made use of it at one point, but that shit was gone before Father could grab another one. Also, how would you even kidnap a thousand people without anyone noticing?
>Being this retarded
I swear to Flask, you're trolling. Nobody could watch the series and be this serious.
So I just finished DBZ and realized something, Vegata got away with all the murders... Did this annoy anyone else?
Why kidnap when you can start a war? Father was running the government and his homunculi could defeat any military that doesn't have state alchemist that run off the power of friendship. Wasn't that the whole point of the Ishvallan war?
Didn't he die and went to hell?
>Some purple faggot and his crew land on our rock
>Start demanding our magic balls
>At first think he's some kind of retard, realize he wants those magic orbs of wish-granting
>Purple faggot slaughters our kind, steals our orbs
>This faggot shows up out of nowhere demanding the same shit
>Our entire race wrecked by two faggots with a fetish for magic balls
>Revived on some planet full of people who look similar to this faggot
>All those ugly fucks give us our own planet and we get the fuck out of dodge
Anyone else whose planet and race got fucked by these faggots?
That worked exceptionally well, didn't it?
>They used state alchemists any ways.
>Homunculi have only 2 weakness: fire and muscles
If Bradley had any level of foresight he would have slapped Roy's shit a long time ago.
And ended the Armstrong line.
Arakawa almost killed no one aside from the villains. A couple of very secondary characters bited the dust and that's it. Meh.
Scar design in Brotherhood was pretty damn awful. Same for Bradley. They looked like hamburgers.
That was my entire problem with the homunculi. They are built up to be super powerful and indestructable and they go out like bitches.
>sloth losing to major armstrong
WHAT THE FUCK
>envy just getting raped
>greed just wants friends
>guy becomes god and gets shit smacked
Wrath and Pride were still pretty good. I hope Pride was aware that he was Pride at the end and becomes the next dwarf in the flask.
Does it count as dropping if it's the last episode?
Semantics and flimsy justifications.
You cannot act so high and might about the sanctity of life and then turn around and offer such meager justifications for why you slaughtered people by the hundreds with your own hands while knowing full well most were innocent civilians.
Kimbley was right and they all know it. Roy knows he's a mass murderer orders of magnitude worse than Scar, which is why he's made it his life's goal to be in a position where he can stop that from ever happening again.
They were built up to be BETTER in all respects except for the "sins" they represented. All seven homunculus were essentially the embodiment of those sins. Also,
>Fire-based alchemy is noted to be one of the most dangerous forms of alchemy AND one of the most powerful
>The Armstrong technique made anyone who used it a walking tank
>Greed represents "greed" ergo he would want friends and to rule the world
Also, Hohenheim's shennanigans pulled a "NOPE" on Father becoming God. It even explained that the moment Father absorbed everyone the reverse transmutation symbol thingy would activate and rip those souls out of him. They couldn't take from the stone that existed prior, but they could reduce his power exponentially.
Imagine if Father had fought them WITHOUT going God first.
Even the lion chimera guy somehow survived after getting wrecked by both Pride and Kimblee. That was the one time it kind of annoyed me she wasn't willing to kill anyone off
Not really trying to argue against their guilt: Roy and gang are war criminals without question.
The point is, like you said, that they took the hard way out by not quitting the army and setting out to change it from the inside. They could have left or resisted, but somebody else would come and do the job. Nothing would change.
Without his "war veteran" status, Roy would never have made the contacts that he used to set the coup in motion years later. Compared to Scar, he at very least had a purpose.
It was a choice between killing innocent people in an attempt to prevent something similar from happening again, or just letting them die for nothing.
I... honestly didn't even noticed that none of the main characters died...
I suppose I just ignored that part, considering there were a lot of name-less deaths, but yeah...
Well, he died, but yeah, it's pretty lame how so very few characters died considering who they were fighting. For fuck's sake, Wrath could take on a tank with a sword.
I don't know. Thinking on it, those few deaths we got were meant to be emotional.
Of course, I can count 4, that weren't villains, and that's it..
So I'm not sure what was going through their mind when they wrote this.
I suppose the problem is that guys like Buccaneer and Fuu, despite being pretty cool, were still way too secondary to really mean something.
It was sad and all, but if a character like, say, Izumi died, they could have made a create scene out of it, since she was basically Al\Ed second mom, and it was already quite the stretch for her to live so long after the transmutation.
A lot of people in the series got away with a lot of murders.
A lot of people in reality get away with a lot of murders.
Do you think there is some sort of way things 'work'?
Killing is a natural part of nature and is used as a filler to keep nature in check. Could you imagine what would happen if there was no killing in the animal kingdom? Animals would overpopulate the land masses and resources would dry up leaving all the animals and incest to die off eventually in a slow and painful way. Same thing with human society. Sure it's "wrong" but it's only wrong in the sense that death for the most part serves no meaning because humans die from unnatural causes everyday which disrupt the circle of life.
Also, OP you're just better off watching the original series. Brotherhood is crap and lacks the deep and dark undertones the original series had and it had an appropriate ending. Brotherhood was just full on shonen to the point that at the end it even had the entire power of friendship bullshit where everyone was cheering Ed on in the final battle.
>animals and incest
Throwing in nazis at the end does not make it "deep and dark"
>killing is a natural part of nature; therefore, humans, who are fully rational and possess a highly evolved society, should embrace it to control the population overgrowth.
>2003 was better because it was darker.
How's 7th grade?
Well the only non dickbag SA that he killed was Bass Grand so eh maybe they though he paid the debt off.
animals generally don't kill their same species other than through territory battles and other such things
you need to try dulling yourself a bit
>Brotherhood is crap and lacks the deep and dark undertones the original series had and it had an appropriate ending
>Dante: "Have you considered that life isn't fair and that effort doesn't mean you'll be rewarded?"
>Ed: "Holy shit, this shakes my belief system deeply even though I've spent the whole show watching innocent people getting fucking shat on. Apparently, I believed Nina deserved that chimera shit before this great truth was bestowed upon me!"
I had completely forgot about that bitch. Holy shit, talk about a shitty final boss.
The 2003 version is better because it has more of best girl.
This scene was so cool I'm not underage I promise[/surprisebox]
> couldn't protect this pout
You're the cancer.
Most non-social animals will kill members of their own species for fuck all. In social animals the distinction is usually a matter of in-group vs. out-group.
Don't be hypocrites. People kill all the fucking time. There's still poverty, still war. Humanity in generaly is full of shit. Don't dare to ideolize the trash species.
She was so cute. I wish she and Sheska got to be recurring characters in Brotherhood
This. And Nazi ending was actually great.
The irony is, /a/ constantly bashes every anime that's running this season and calls it shit, yet they fail to realize that shows like FMA:B are popular because they're actually good fucking shows.
>watching FMA subbed
I took a quick look at the dubbed version of that scene and wow, Mustang's voice was hilariously terrible.
>listening to /a/
Exhibit A: /a/ occasionally bashes madoka, but while it was airing it was the best thing ever.
It helps keeps the faggots like >>102129612 from watching the good shows.
He still should have paid for his crimes. His services should buy him leniency, not absolution.
Let's have an overly in-depth best girl poll, if anyone is even still here. Come vote for your waifu
reminder that basque grand was a pretty decent dude in brotherhood/manga
Well, he DID murder war criminals.
The world isn't black/white morality and you're a manchild if you think otherwise. Even mass-murders are human beings just like us, try to think with a clear and unburdened mind and realize that the world is governed by grey morality. Taking a hit of acid made me discover this fact and now I see the world with a different perspective.
>/a/ hates dubs, so I must hate them too!
Probably don't think she'd last anyway. Bradley was one of the strongest characters in the series.
I kind of agree. Scar was a good guy in the end. Hell, he was a good person at heart. It's just the war caused him to seek revenge. Who can blame the guy for wanting revenge for the absolutely heinous shit the government did to his people? Still, he killed official government employed alchemists. Just because the leadership was changed in the end, it shouldn't have meant to forget what Scar did. It would have been a better fitting for him to bravely sacrifice himself for Wendy at some point near the last fourth of the show. I probably would have shed a tear at that.
and Hell judged Vegeta to be of good character.
>you're a manchild if you think otherwise
>has to take acid to discover a truth that can be seen with five minutes of sober contemplation.
You must have to overdose every time you read a book on philosophy.
Nigga, you had best be trolling. Situational ethics or grey morality has what brought this world to our knees. Right and wrong is not a scale value, it a choice between two options. Everything is black and white. Just because the world operates on grey ethics does not make it correct. Those that lack the willpower and conviction to hold true to their beliefs begin to make rationalizations and exceptions and before you know it the way you view right and wrong changes itself. It's easy to subscribe to situational ethics, because it means you get to justify your own actions in spite knowing that what you are doing is wrong. It doesn't take a hit of acid to realise that just because the world functions in terms of grey ethics, doesn't mean you should.
If you want to go down that road, Mustang and Hawkeye also got away with all their murders they did in Ishval.
Both Mustang and Hawkeye regarded what they did as murder, Mustang even fully intended to be bring everybody involved to trial for war crimes, including himself, but being blinded made him lose the chance to put his plans into motion and Grumman became Fuhrer instead.
Mustang decided to atone for his crimes by rebuilding Ishval, and Scar similarly is working to atone through positive action.
Shonen or no, I've yet to see an anime with as fitting pacing as Brotherhood. Truly an example of what a studio can do with a complete work not bogged down by filler.
Grumman becoming Fuhrer was weird. It's such a perfectly happy ending in every other way, but then suddenly Roy's big plan of the entire series falls apart and there's another asshole old guy in charge.
Roy Committed genocide but you're harping on scar hunting down war criminals?
Plus there was never any showings of people wanting justice for Scar's crimes other than the Elric brothers. The mangaka just never went that route.