I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law…We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, a secretion of sensory, experience, and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody. Maybe the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal
What species would take over then? I agree humans are shit but how do you know that whatever takes humanities place won't become worse than filthy humans?
Shut the fuck up and eat your oats, Akane.
Shut up slut. Go back to listening to whatever the brain jars tell you to do.
Every time I think you hit a ceiling, you just keep raising the bar. You are like the Michael Jordan of being a son of a bitch.
Those carbs will make me fat!
The big problem with self-awareness is that you know one day you are going to die.
Damn you look like a smug bitch
But how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?
>human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution
Consciousness is a evolutionary necessity for a social animal. One needs self awareness to know of their place in society. To feel shame when doing something wrong or pride when adding to the greater whole.
>nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law.
No, just no. Why is it that when I shit in the woods, somehow it's more sinister than a wild animal? My shit is just as natural, a byproduct of my carbon body. What is this 'natural law'? Natural selection? If that's the law you're referencing, then we should definitely exist.
>everybody is nobody.
Everybody is the sum of it's individuals.
> stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction
Akane, it sounds like you aren't having a POWDAH BRUE day.
Death is nothing to be afraid of. I don't get why people are afraid of death? There is no evidence that there is an after life, religion has constantly lied about life and death. So how can people be afraid of nothing?
Doesn't work like that.
Akane smug is best smug.
Oh okay how about you kill yourself right now if it doesn't matter?
Fuck /a/, none of you have realistic views of the world.
I tell myself I bear witness, but the real answer is that it's obviously my programming and I lack the constitution for suicide.
There is no evidence against an after life either. Checkmate.
I'm woorried some dipshit will "save" me and I'll end up in crazy house surrounded by idiots and morons and doctors who are nothing more than pseudo intellectuals lecturing me on how amazing "life" is.
Not to mention I don't want my body found. Last thing I need to happen is end up in a funeral surrounded by people I don't knowing and fakers who are only coming because of "being nice" and me being buried surrounded by the trash dead humans.
You're right. I'm a mistake. I shouldn't exist. everything I hear, see, touch or smell is an illusion, as is my own sense of self.
I am nobody, but i feel like someone.
I should really wake up from this dream, shouldn't I?
but you're gonna have to pull me out, kicking and screaming.
so come and get me, bitch.
You're full of shit. Anything that occurs in our universe is natural.
Oh there is because if God is "perfect" he wouldn't need a heaven and hell in the first place.
And I suppose you do, you enlightened little faggot? Please bestow upon us mortals the secrets to life that only being an autistic manchild can teach.
Except we're smart enough to tinker with genetics.
That's the tipping point. It's all you need. Once we do that and breed super brains then it's all ogre for evolution.
I think YOUR FACE is a tragic misstep in evolution.
So you're not afraid of dying, but you are worried about what happens to your carcass? Sounds off.
oh god, all that strawman. He never said Christianity, he never said god is prefect, he never mentioned heaven and hell. Please sir, put down the fedora before someone gets hurt
Hey Akane, we're not gonna give you the Oscar no matter how hard you try.
Being afraid of death and wanting to live are two different things anon. Just because you aren't afraid of spiders doesn't mean you put black widows on your dick
Dad, how do I live my life?
Good luck getting genetic engineer past christfags and "human rightfags".
It's like donating organs. I don't want my body to be used to "save" people. You know like fuck saving trash like smokers who will just keep smoking anyway.
My fedora is a status symbol just like how christfags use the most fictional work, the bible and crosses as their defining trait.
Oh fuck you, man. You don't know me. You don't know what I've been through.
>just like how christfags use the most fictional work
Are your parents christian anon? Do you want to talk about it?
>Good luck getting genetic engineer past christfags and "human rightfags".
It's already happening. You can't stop progress.
Even if humans were unwilling to do it, humans will create their own artificial god to bring enlightenment to them.
You could at least tidy up that mane Akane.
Trees are whats left of sentient being that outgrew their consciousness. because all they need comes from the sun, the rain, and the earth around them.
Trees have no need for opinions, ideologies, psyches or egos. Trees exist with absolutely no thought or feeling. Only upward motion. Reaching for the sky.
They were once like we are now. Their actions, based on thoughts non-conducive of survival, lead to war, anger, hate, and eventually death. But they had an awakening.
They planted their feet. They became roots.
They reached for the sky. Their arms became limbs.
And they became a species that could live in peace with one another. One that aided the earth, opposed to destroy it. One that could cover the planet without foot print. Without spite, jealousy or grudge.
Trees. They were once like we are.
sounds hippie as shit
trees are good for becoming paper
you calling me a tree m8 i aint no fuggin tree m8 ill wreck u bruv i fukn swear m8
>tragic misstep in evolution
>leads us to becoming the dominant species on earth, with out survival all but guaranteed until our sun burns out (inb4 people who think they're rational and worldly for thinking humanity is going to somehow bomb itself to complete extinction before then)
You're less then a tree. Because you do stupid shit.
Why is she so fuckable
>implying colonizing other solar systems is impossible
Why is being the dominant species a good thing?
Even though we're the top dogs on this blue sphere, in the big scheme of things we are nothing.
>I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution
What's this from, i keep seeing this shit spewed everywhere.
Living comfortably is good. Being naked and fighting for survival is not as good.
More reason to kill myself then. I know I won't be able to see genetic engineering advance far enough to create wonders in this life time. So might as well bank on either entering the 2D world or being born again into the future where religion is gone and technology has taken over.
Boku no Detective
Stop trying to be deep, the size of the universe has no effect of the relevance of earth to human beings.
It's a good thing for US. The universe doesn't care for us, but we care for us. It's a good thing that we can live for close to a century just enjoying life and contributing to that of everyone else. How would you consider this a misstep in evolution?
I don't think it's ever going to be possible for humanity to go extinct any time soon. We are too damn good at surviving, not to mention how damn many of us there are. But I do think a lot of us will die before our natural life span as a result of climate change. Maybe most of us, maybe more than half, maybe only a billion.
Of course in the long view of things, we'll spring back like it's nothing, overpopulate, and do it all again. and again, and again.
Don't worry, we'll find a way to use the souls of the dead as a power source.
I'm sure we'll start with yours.
Boku no Rust
>all these people reacting impulsively to what's said in OP post because they're afraid
I'm not even a pessimist or a nihilist so I don't agree with the stop reproducing part, but "Akane" is still pretty much right.
It's from the best TV show since years.
>We became too self-aware
That's called "The original sin" turbonerds.
How does Crime Coefficient work?
Stop talking about original sin, before I whip out my fedora.
It just werks
Fun things are fun!
Somewhat logical approach to life and the afterlife, without including religion:
The time before the beginning of our human consciousness/existence/birth was finite.
It may be safe to say that the time before one's birth is equivalent to the way things are in the time after one's death. In both cases we are unable to remember our state of existence or nonexistence.
The time before the beginning of our human existence is finite, but our lives are also finite.
Our 'lives' are the period of time during which we experience existence subjectively as individuals; autonomous biological machines, capable of reproducing, experiencing self-awareness, emotions, and capable of encoding/recalling episodic memories, among other things. However, our existence as individual sentient humans ends upon death. Our human bodies begin to decompose after death, and is returned to the environment. The principle of mass conservation states that mass cannot be created nor destroyed, so the compounds and elements that formed and maintained our human bodies, living processes and individual consciousness, simply return into the environment.
We can't remember the time before our birth, and it may be safe to say that the time after our death will be the same way. Our nature and universe seems well suited to quite a number of different kinds of living processes and life-like processes, and our universe itself could even be considered a living process.
In summary: It may be safe to say, "Life is finite, death is finite."
I'm sure giving millions of years we can come up with SOMETHING. I mean, even if the nearest habitable planet is millions of light years away... We could have stasis tanks maybe... Ramscoops? Okay, fuck, but still, we got a long time before we die.
I didn't read this post but I'm laughing at the fact that you wrote it. I hope this causes you some embarrassment.
Why would a nihilist agree with extreme antinatalism?
It is, but if we were less self-conscious animals, we wouldn't care that we were naked and fighting for our survival. I'm only arguing for the sake of intellectual stimulation now, mind you. I wouldn't actually turn into an animal and live a instinct driven life of survival if I was given the choice, but how is life as an aware being any better or worse than life as an animal? Can you say that one is better or worse than the other? It's true that one is better for us, but that's only true for us. Objectively, both ways of existing have the same value.
There is no such thing as a soul. The "soul" is nothing more than electric circuits in our head.
You need to be over the age of 18 to post on this website.
I was talking about the relevance of human beings to the earth, not the other way around.
Shitty things are shit.
Keep thinking that when you're burning.
bam. power source.
Correcting myself - it may be safer to say, "Existence is finite, nonexistence is also finite." Since human death means the death of a person, or a human body and the unique personality associated with it.
Pretty sure Akane didn't say what the OP wrote.
Reading comprehension much?
Get in the hyper oven.
I see everything from a nihilistic view so yeah that about sums it up
You're right that it's good for us. Since we are aware beings, we can recognize pain and agony, but we can also recognize happiness and beauty. I'm not the OP, I didn't mention anything about evolution, but the degree of awareness in humans for some reason evolved. There must have been a reason linked to survival. But isn't the degree of awareness that we have a little... extreme? We are the only species that can look up to the stars and really understand how huge they are, how far away, and how small we are. That's not like a bad thing or anything, but it is weird that this kind of brain evolved on this planet.
>I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution.
I'm actually very interested what a biologist would think about this because it kinda makes sense from a strictly biological view
I am not embarrassed; I am happy to discuss my worldview with others, for there is the possibility that I can improve my own view of the world, as well as the possibility of improving the worldview of others.
It's ok I'll be enjoying my enlightenment while you struggle to continue to live in fear because you don't want to go to hell.
That isn't how it works. This isn't the fucking Matrix.
Cute, naive, innocent (looking). She's very girl-next-door
Yes, please kill yourself. This world could use a whole lot less edgy faggots who think things like:
>all religion is bad and stoppin' muh progress
>implying electricity isn't a power source
Stick a fork in an electrical socket and tell me that again.
I'm not even a christian. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Your dilusions of self destruction come from your sheltering, try taking a visit to the third world and asking the people there if they would contemplate suicide. Surely one would think that because they live in worse conditions than we do in the first world, that they think of suicide more, but thats not the case, in fact the people love life even more, so much so that they are willing to kill for it. By becoming more sheltered we have had the eugenic effect of producing more intellects and lowered the crime rate, but we have had the dysgenic effect of removing the grounding of nature that keeps us fit, aware, keen, indifferent, strong, noble, ALIVE.
Extreme antinatalism would entail actively killing off people, wouldn't it? But in any case, the 2 lines of thought are compatible. I mean all of Rust's existential dialog is basically lifted from Thomas Ligotti, who's a nihilist himself, he talks about the same subject in a very similar way in the book "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race".
Nigga... Go to sleep.
Why can't this thread be about Psycho-Pass and how lovely Akane is
Now she looks like a long hair puppy
>electric circuit = electricity
Just flip the circuit breaker and you can stick as many forks as you want into your electrical sockets
>implying the Abrahamic God is perfect and all-knowing
It's never stated in either the Bible or the Koran that God is omniscient. That's some straight made up shit right there.
Have you actually picked up a history book and read it? No, and I mean an actual history book not the shitty government indoctrination version where it tells you six million jews died in the Holohoax.
Many of the strife that humanity faced have been solved due to technology.
>There are actually people out there who think like this and don't want to embrace transhumanism and spread out into space
Which is why it is even more laughable how humans can follow a book that has gone through ages and easily be rewritten by humans.
>Extreme antinatalism would entail actively killing off people, wouldn't it?
I used 'extreme antinatalism' to mean abstinence from procreation unto total human extinction. That may have been wrong of me.
What does history have to do with that guy's retarded sentiment toward religion? Also can you provide an example of "strife that humanity faced solved due to technology"? Are you talking about medicine?
>shitty government indoctrination version of a history book
I don't think this exists
>ot the shitty government indoctrination version where it tells you six million jews died in the Holohoax
How's that tinfoil cap treating you /pol/? There's so many primary sources on the subject from people on all angles that the only way for you to revise the history is literally to put more time in between yourselves and the actual events. What horrible things the current Israeli administration does these days has nothing to do with the horrible things the Germans did around seventy years ago.
jesus fuck eat something
If it doesn't have any electricity flowing through it, it's not an electric circuit. It's just a conductive material.
>implying the Germans actually executed so many Jews
>implying it wasn't disease
Jesus Christ, that navel.
So while we're throwing around conspiracies and tipping our fedoras, what do you guys think about the Quantum Zeno effect? Basically, some dudes back in the 70's found out that some particles don't decay if a person is watching them, Neat stuff.
>implying it wasn't disease
Jesus fucking christ, I wonder who put them in the shitty, dysentery filled situation? You aren't really this dense, are you?
If it was just "a book" then it wouldent have had the impact it did.
Im not saying this as a christian, but as an observer...perhaps a pagan.
The mass of almost any species of animal will always be the norm and there will always be exeptions that fall above and below the norm.
The masses will never be exeptional because thats not what a "mass" is. I also would not want the masses to "become aware" i want them to stay as dumb as they have always been, why would i want more competition? Its like in the matrix, why do the "awakened" humans feel the need to "liberate" humanity? They could take advantage of their situation but decide to be benevolent even though that benevolence will bring nothing to them but a lower chance for their and their progeny's survival.
So /a/ at 4 am is when all the stoned college students post. Good to know
It's really strange how HBO seems to be going through puberty nowadays, when it was full adult about 10 years ago.
>I wonder who put them in the shitty, dysentery filled situation?
It's not that special. A person "watching" a particle is not the same as someone just looking at something with their eyes.
Picture a baseball. If you roll a baseball across a table, it will act one way, but if you roll a baseball across a table while pressing your face up against it to "get a good look at it", it will act another way.
That's a terrible metaphor
It's not though. Observing a particle is interacting it, just like your face is interacting with the baseball.
Do you consider yourself separate from the masses?
I dont think i would be here right now if i was part of the mass.
>we can recognize pain and agony, but we can also recognize happiness and beauty
Actually, more and more studies indicate that many animals also can, though not exactly in the same way as we do.
I mean the classical centuries old view of science goes the way that we as humans are the only ones who really are self-aware due to the things we're doing, but that view also supposes that we humans are the standard for life, when from an objective point of view we're just one species among many different others. The whole "animals don't have conscience" belief sprang up from the fact that no animal species lives like we do, which logically entails the fact that they're not conscious and don't have intelligence either (which would be true if all animals were human-like species). But due to its very nature a crow for example will not think and feel like we do. And we don't feel and think like a crow either. This is only natural. Even the way of life of animals closer to us like any simian species is radically different from ours, even the way of life of 2 humans can differ immensely. There's really no inherent value to our condition.
Since we are this way though we might as well make use of our abilities the best we can to ensure happy and fulfilling lives for our fellow men, but instead we've been doing the opposite, with tribes that have become for the most part our immediate family. Despite all our intelligence, we're an exceedingly stupid species.
And that's why we're here to filter unnecessary junks from your doings.
But that's the interesting conclusion to begin with. That observation is tantamount to interaction. Therefore we change the world around us just by being aware of it.
This is all a man ever needs to know throughout his life.
I can't take a person seriously who actually thinks that humanity is somehow majestically better than any other animal on this planet. We all eat, sleep, shit, piss and fuck. Big deal.
Why does the internet seem to contain a disproportionate number of materialists?
There have to be at least some people on /a/ especially who are dualists or idealists.
>Since we are this way though we might as well make use of our abilities the best we can to ensure happy and fulfilling lives for our fellow men, but instead we've been doing the opposite, with tribes that have become for the most part our immediate family
Some would consider it very utopian to consider the opposite, but I'd like to think we're edging there slowly. Humanitarian efforts have improved. It's still a very destructive and dangerous world though. I'm trying to work on myself, trying to combat my own isolationism.
Because it's stupid as fuck
>How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real
Because an animal's innate goals in life are to survive and reproduce, and by being the dominant species the chance of both of those things happening is greatly increased?
i guess Akane is the True Detective
dinosaurs were pretty rad yo
they killed eachother but at least they didn't ruin the earth
yeah and maybe i fukd ur mum last night
Didnt read the rest of the thread...
There needs to be a conscious being to observe the universe.
>anthropic principle blah blah blah
...Universe exist because we observe it to exist
Strong anthropic principle seems to me to be just another conclusion where humanity overestimates its value. I'd rather say that weak anthropic principle is more applicable in regard to the universe.
And if we only saw/felt/heard it without conciously experiencing it, it would not exist?
It's based on how likely you are to commit a crime at any time based off your thinking patterns. The mentally unstable, those who are used to getting into the minds of criminals for the sake of their job and those who will or could commit a crime at any time are given higher crime coefficients.
Psycho Pass is different as it only relies on your mental state. Someone could be having a bad day or be stressed which will darken their hue. Darker hues coincide with higher CC's as those who are depressed or stressed are more likely to act rashly, which can lead to crime.
Season 2 design?
*tips fedora* I am feeling euphorically enlightened
Come, let me show you the third way.