New Madoka Thread
We really don't need 24/7 Madoka threads. Those attract the worst people and get stale extremely quickly. Unless you're looking to waifu dump again.
Do you think that there was a timeline were Homu just thought "fuck it" and lived in Madoka's wardrobe until Walmart night came?
Realistically speaking, if Homura gives up her quest she becomes PSP Homulilly, so probably not.
Remember to respect all your sea friends and don't throw your trash in the ocean.
That's too comfy to be an hospital bed.
Homu's hair is the softest, but the entire Homu isn't very soft.
Homura's hair feels like coal like her heart now.
She doesn't give up, she just gives herself a break and allows herself to indulge in her need to be close to Madoka, she always knows that she will reset time and get back to trying to save the Megucas.
her belly looks soft.
Can witches be comfy?
I'd still feel her devil hair.
Maybe in doujinshi
There are actually a lot
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
>allows herself to indulge
>"I d-don't deserve to be doted upon by Madoka after what I let happen to her last time! I'll save her this time for sure!"
I remember one where she kept Madoka locked up in her house until walrus night and raped her but then everyone died in walmart night.
Homura is responsible for:
>betraying Madoka, her hope, and her love
>enslaving all life in the universe
>tormenting her friends who not moments before risked their lives to save her
>jeopardizing the stability of the world
>destroying Madoka's afterlife
>brainwashing Madoka to keep her in a cage
She has become evil incarnate and must be stopped at any cost.
>lol i posted it again
I guess Oriko really was right.
>look mom i posted it again !
No Orikos allowed.
Of course she was right.
Go back to Tumblr you shiteater asshole.
Why is Homurakko holding a bomb
I think that Sayaka is shit.
There's no reason to be so harsh on Sayaka. She handled it poorly, but she's a middle school girl.
Not everyone could take finding out your soul was ripped out of your body as well as Homu, but she had nothing left to lose at that point.
Only the worst meguca in the history of ever.
>derka derka madoka jihad
She likes bombs.
Given the choice between Madoka and the world she chose the world. Thus making her a savior of humanity and number one on Homura's hitlist.
She also has a huge bucket on her head.
She murdered shitloads of magical girls and used her best friend's psychological dependance on her which ended up killing her.
She's no better than Homu.
If she could see the future, why didn't she see Madokami becoming the savior of all megucas?
BECAUSE SHE'S A SHIT
If Homura is a devil, does she operate a meguca hell? That's where people who hurt Madoka go.
Oriko never betrayed a god though.
>misunderstanding Madoka's desires based on her saying conflicting things
>in any way similar to killing Madoka
>a meguca hell
>implying Madoka wouldn't just forgive every last one of the megucas
She killed Madoka with the ability to know that Madoka would become Madokami, which is the same thing.
She probably entered Yuri Valhalla considering she did nothing wrong.
But that one can't be forgiven!
Well, Madoka literally changed the nature of the universe with her wish making use of all the karmic destiny that the loops granted to her.
Being fair, I don't think any soothsayer could have been able to predict that.
Wheres her telnyashka?
Forgiving a stray, possibly deranged meguca is one thing, but forgiving a devil who betrayed you in full knowledge is another. Magical girl hell is probably empty but will soon be seeing its first tenant.
Shouldn't she be alive though?
At least in Madokami's world.
>in full knowledge
She didn't have full knowledge until well after the deed was done.
Madokami will know exactly why Homura did it. It was their conversation in the flower field that caused Homura to believe, although incorrectly, that she regretted making her wish.
Homura is going to enjoy her punishment because she's a big pervert
Homura did nothing wrong.
Which Homu would you homuhomu?
I'd a gothloli or akuma
Sayaka likely did not find out about the soul gem thing in previous time lines.
Yet she still goes witch and/or dies in every time line. So making a big deal out of her reaction to the soul gem thing, as if this is the reason she can't handle being a magical girl, is wrong.
Coobie clearly picks on less than stable girls. He probably gets bonuses for beating his grief seed quota.
He made the biggest fuckup in the universe twice though.
Well in Sayaka's case, he contracts her knowing that it will help speed up Madoka's contract, since she's the real prize.
What about the first time when Madoka was just a regular meguca with nothing special about her?
I don't remember if Sayaka was a meguca the first time or if it was just Madoka.
The greedy little shit probably thought he'd get a free Homu soul out of it.
We didn't see Sayaka contract until the third timeline.
I could have sworn she was meguca the second time but I guess not.
It's hard to pay attention to Sayakas when you're crying like a little girl.
>holding Madoka by the boob
I want to know the name of the quality control guy at Shaft who thought this was acceptable.
By the hands of one of Madoka animators.
What does it mean to homuhomu?
I see nothing wrong there!
Homu has lewd thoughts about Madoka, then she hates herself for being such a disgusting pervert who doesn't deserve Madoka's love.
Homu is love.
If Homu is love what is homuhomu?
How can you not remember that? Sayaka was not meguca in the first or second time lines.
I assume as Madoka's karmic destiny increases, Sayaka is targeted by Kyubey in the 3rd time line.
Although one has to wonder. Without Homura's intervention, Madoka would just wish to save Amy anyway. And Homura doesn't start trying to stop Madoka from contracting until after timeline 3. So it is a bit strange that Sayaka contracts in timeline 3 when Madoka probably contracted before her. I guess QB was just a bit greedier that timeline. Or maybe he just wanted to try and accelerate Madoka's witch transformation.
I swear it wasn't because I cry every time I see that episode.
So >>102118769 is asking which Homu I would ai yo.
I think there are some grammar issues here.
Maybe bringing in Sayaka was part of the plan. Another meguca to help vs Walmart Night, I guess.
Okay. So the answer is obvious. Like any sensible Homufag, I would ai yo every Homu.
Moemura > Homulilly > Mind of Steel Homura > Bowmura > shit > Sayaka > slutty, selfish Akuma
Your opinion has been discarded with the utmost of haste.
What going on in that picture?
The cat "Amy" does appears olny in the movie?
I don´t saw it in the series besides the OP
The cat only shows up in the drama cd.
That dirty slut showed her lewd outfit to an asexual alien.
Akuma Homura would be my choice if I had to pick one. Devils need love too.
They're beating the shit out of walpurgis.
She should only show her lewd bits to Madoka. She's not pure any more, she deserves to be trashed along with Hitomi and Sayaka for being a colossal tramp.
Of course she's still pure.
Besides, all the megucas get naked in their transformation scenes.
QUALITY control guy at shaft.
I just don't fucking get it. Do they look at this and go: "Yeah, that looks passable." Or do they just not give a fuck?
Shaft tends to run on very rushed schedules for TV releases. It's why they do so many BD fixes.
No anon, they do bd fixes because their artistic vision is never truly stated!
They got weirdly coloured.
I mean, it was cool but a little disturbing.
Yeah, that. Wish I had the picture of derpy TV broadcast Miyako on me.
I didn't see it. Was it bad?
It's pretty goofy-looking.
Mumi has the lewdest body, but flatchest is master race.
Don't fool yourself, anon.
Even Homura wants some Mumi.
Homu wants to play with Mami's big bouncy drills
>Mami will never give you a drilljob
>you will never have a Homu on your lap being all devily
>what is lucid dreaming
Walked into that one.
Nice meme, man.
If Sayaka's goofy looking face is what I get for fantasy then there's really no reason to go back to reality.
I want! I want it so bad, but I am just not deranged enough yet
I could stare at Sayaka's goofy-looking face all day.
Just do it. You can' fuck up your brain lucid dreaming like you can with tulpas. It's not dangerous at all.
Then I better get at it.
I remember reading something about it before and it was a really, really gradual process
Read some Stephen Laberge to gitgud at lucid dreaming.
You greatly increase your chances of getting sleep paralysis, though.
That's only attempting w.i.l.d.
if you practice reality checks and use those to gain control in the middle of your normal dreams, it doesn't affect anything physically
He says that, but imagine having a Homu or Mumi with large black pits for eyes looking down at you before they go all alien abduction mode on your rear.
Sounds like something Homura would do.
Which Puella Magi could defeat Armstong at his full powerlevel
I hope you aren't implying that that is an undesirable outcome.
Who's this douchebag
godoka in a single shot
N-no, stop it. I want to believe
Would even accept that to nothing though
probably none of them
and dont say homu
even nukes probably wont help
I would have no complaints about waking up to this on top of me.
>Homura will never viciously rape you
Why am I alive?
Still a Homu.
>Mami is actually a slob, but she will never be "your" slob
>she will never fall asleep, her head resting on your chest
No, I am fucking done. But hopefully there is still lucid dreaming.
Still think there needs to be a Magi Girl Rising: Rebellion, starring Sayaka.
>you will never wake up and find gay hobo lying in bed next to you
I'm glad I'm not the only one who wants to see this
/v/ pls go and stay go
Oh the things I'd give to wake up next to her.
He's your friend. He fights for freedom.
that's not a bluerei cap
So wht it should have looked better in theaters.
You forgot goth loli (despairing, pre-witch) Homura In Madoka R
>(*PLEASE NOTE: Audio commentary and extras do not include English subtitles)
Are you new to BD buyfagging?
>Nipponjin wa wakarimasen?
Madokami: I forgive you Akuma Homura.
Jesus fuck, Australia.
Also, the thing seems to have a "translation booklet", so it could just be you have to read along like a faggot until some based subgroup times them.
The translation booklet is for the information booklet. There's English subs for the movie.
Talking about the commentary, but in that case the "special import edition" seems to be more or less the fucking same, in that case.
Of course it's the same. It's literally just an import from Japan.
I don't really care too much about the commentary since it's just going to stir shit up because "muh authorial intention" as if that matters.
The thing I want is the Homura extra lines, in particular her singing Mada Dame yo, and I'll be happy.
Imagine being the guy in charge of the armoury when Homura steals them.
>"muh authorial intention" as if that matters.
Despite that, you don't think it's interesting to hear their words? I'm with you, Death of the Author, examine the work by itself, ignore interviews, etc etc. But I still think hearing what the creators have to say is pretty interesting. Don't you?
I'm more interested in hearing what the VA's has to say, really.
They do commentary too.
unfortunately her vagina probably isn't
>still believes this
I like all megucas.
I love you, Mami-san.
Your love will never reach to her, Mami is doomed to live a sad and lonely life.
What if I buy a daki?
than a hollow imitation, even more devoid of her soul than her soulgemless body, will experience some love. but mami will still be alone
W-well, she has Nagisa!
Yeah and it's not the case for Mami, Kyoko and Homura?
>people actually replied to this with something other than some variation of "fuck off back to tumblr"
Lies and more lies, nothing but lies, Nagisa is going to leave her like all the other, in the end everyone leaves Mami-san.
>expecting better of Sayakafags
>Expecting something good from [AnyMeguca]fag
I finally realized the connection to her name, it's supposed to be "Oracles". /slowpoke
>Homura stealing the pokemons of Madoka
>Thought the movie aired on 8th of February
>Decide to book my tickets on the 2nd Feb
>Look at the showing time
I'm still disappointed.
>Nagisa is going to leave her like all the other, in the end everyone leaves Mami-san.
Not if Nagisa transforms and eats Mami again. Then they can be together forever~
what the heck is with those eyes?
So who is best Meguca? And why is it Moemura?
Seeing Kyouko in that picture, that spoiler actually surprised me. Good joke.
Moemura is great, but she lacks confidence.
Kyouko is best meguca now that Homu is no longer a meguca, but Homura is best girl.
Shut up coobie you said it yourself.
No, dude. Just no.
This nigga gets it.
Devils need love too, Anon.
That doesn't really change that you are wrong.
I'd say all but Homu because Magic might be able to overcome his damage reduction.
Homu only has timestop and nothing worth a damn against that.
anon, that's the word that -least- describes AkuHomu.
This guy gets it.
Can't say the same about her actions.
It's okay, Akuma Homuras aren't for everyone.
She also has the Homulaser, and Bowmura uses the same kind of energy bolt as Madoka.
Sad Mamis detected in vicinity of thread.
Deploying emergency happy Mami.
When the fuck did the laser happen?
Mostly I just don't count new universe Homu because her wish and powers got repursed with the lack of Madoka.
Episode 1 she fires purple laser bolts at QB, and in episode 8 she charges it up and is just about to vaporize Sayaka.
That brings up a good point, actually. We're told that Homura fills in the gap Madoka made, but which Madoka? 'Cause if she just fills in the karmic gap left by the last Madoka, it would explain why she's so ridiculously strong.
I thought she was just using a pistol 1 and weird lighting in 8.
Anyone have the As Expected of Breasts GIF? Google just gives me tits, which I can find better tits without it.
So I just recently finished Madoka and I've had horrible post-anime feels after that.
How do I fill the void?
>but which Madoka
There is only one Madoka, until the rape.
Bowmura could probably have also taken out walmart night in one shot. For her to reproduce an entire Mitakihara in her barrier and have familiars capable of taking on megucas she'd have to be ridiculously powerful.
By watching Rebellion.
Whiskey and a warm gun.
You don't. You only get more suffering.
If you haven't seen Rebellion yet, watch it.
Yes, thank you! Have some Madobutt in return.
Why is my waifu so perfect?
Because of her girlfriend and best girl Kyouko.
Excuse me, no.
She's not, but that's what makes her a fun character.
Her imperfections make her perfect.
I never wished for this.
Homura needs a valentines gift.
Help I don't want to be SayaHomued
Well, Sayaka is Kyouko's girlfriend, and Kyouko is the best girl. I don't know what you are denying.
I ship KyouHomu.
Sayaka can sit in the justice corner with Mami.
>implying Mami believes in justice
KyouSaya is the true justice buddy pair.
Kyouko doesn't do justice anymore.
This doesn't turn me on. This angers me.
Has KyouSaya been pushed on you for so long that you can't let go of it anymore?
But they make a great couple.
Seeing Homura suffer gives me the greatest pleasure I have ever felt. Just thinking about how Madoka can torture her for all eternity brings a smile to my face. Imagine Homura realizing the girl she gave everything for hated her guts, and wanted vengeance against her for her actions in Rebellion. Imagine the other girls joining in the fun and releasing all the pent up hatred they had for that rotten bitch. Even Kyubey, who normally wouldn't care about bullying, would endorse it, since he could collect vast amounts of grief from Homura's crushed soul. And, after Homura has given up the will to live, she can be teased by showing her happy dreams of everyone getting along, only to be woken up by the harsh reality that she's a failure hated by all. This sight is the most beautiful thing in the world.
Thank you based Japan.
Crack ruins lives
Wow. But thanks to Homura's rather stupid looking descision at the end of Rebellion all other Megucas live a happy life now. Why would they do that to her? Retard.
I wish more Megucas had drills.
>dies because she can't keep doing justice
>that means she doesn't believe in justice
I will never understand stupid people.
how Homura still a magical girl if madoka doesn't ever happen?
She fills in the gap left by Madoka disappearing from existence.
besides, she's not a magical girl for long
By that logic she needs to fuck off now that Madoka's back. She's an abomination.
There is literally nothing wrong with being a devil.
Madoka's just some girl though, not a magical girl.
>There is literally nothing wrong with being a devil.
This meme stop being funny months ago, anon
You just can't understand the power of AI YO
What meme? The conflict between the two will result in a solution that is better for everyone than either Madoka or Homura could create independently of one another.
So, really, it's not a stretch to say that Homura did nothing wrong, just like Madoka also did not. They are both completely necessary elements to a truly satisfying end for all parties involved.
Except for the whole dethroning god, spreading evil and cutting off heaven from earth thing. Oh, and acting like a whore.
All I can hope for is that Sayaka saves Homura, hard.
>acting like a whore
>faithful to Madoka
>wears her lewd new dress in front of nobody but an asexual alien
Homura doesn't need saving.
When did she act like a whore? She created the new universe and all other Magical Girls were now living happily. Thus the scene before the credits. Madoka was unboxing moving cartons with her family - smiling. Sayaka and Kyoko were eating Pockys - smiling. Mami and Nagisa did something with Cheese - smiling and Kyubey got screwed by Homura. That was actually a good ending for all the Magical Girls. So why do Homura haters keep bashing her? It's not like she killed everyone or anything. Get on with it.
>Homura doesn't need saving.
Thinking like that is exactly why she needs saving. Sayaka has plenty experience saving Homura, anyway, it's no trouble.
Imagine how fun it would be to bully Homura.
>hiding her books and watch her cry during class
>tripping her in the hallways and stepping on her glasses
>filling her locker with fake Valentines from Madoka, all of which saying "I hate you, please die."
>spreading rumors about her deviency so that Madoka gets disturbed by her
>untying her shoes in gym so she trips and makes a fool of herself
>tricking her into thinking she's meeting Madoka at the school entrance, only to drop a bucket of used mop water on her from the upper levels
>hiding her clothes after swimming classes so she has to go home in her swimsuit and get laughed at
Good one. Sayaka has more experience in failing than saving.
She saved Homura twice in Rebellion.
She's okay with keeping all her suffering inside, and it no longer hurts her.
>lol i posted it again
Homura doesn't seem to be in a good condition. I'd hardly call her "saved".
Better than being a witch and/or dead and cut off from Madoka for all eternity. It may not have worked out the way Sayaka intended, but I'm sure Homura's grateful.
She was always autistic.
You could also say she's in the best condition yet.
except for the whole falling off the cliff bit
Please don't use your bad experiences with bullies as bait for Homufags.
She also knew Homura would become Satan but ended up targeting Madoka instead...
Actually fuck that bitch hope Meguka Hell is her new home.
I never wanted to be a little girl but that would be a fun childhood for Mami.
plz don't bully
>She also knew Homura would become Satan
I'm pretty sure she can't predict things that happen in entirely different universes
>after months of bullying, Homura decides she's had enough of being a devil and frees Godoka
>Godoka asks why, Homura states she couldn't stand being hurt by the people she cared about any longer
>Godoka then grabs Homura and traps her in a barrier
>Homura is then forced to live in a spiritual jail cell where Godoka and the others can come and torment her for all eternity
>"Stupid bitch, did you think we could forgive you for what you did? You were right, you were better off dead."
>Homura is driven insane by the constant bullying and begs for death, but death never comes
>the worst pain of all are Godoka's own words, "I hate you, Homura-chan."
shitty fanfics pls go
Posing megucas best megucas
>ignoring literally everything about Madoka to make up gay stories
Homu being best and Sayaka being goofy as usual.
Goofy is best.
>Mami and Sayaka are into it
>Madoka and Homura are embarrassed
>Kyouko doesn't want to be there
Truly only the Justice duo know how to have fun.
No, goofy is fucking bad. Fakie is better.
Better than having yandere bags under your eyes.
At least we got goofy Sayaka back at the end of Rebellion instead of witchy Sayaka.
Homura looks like she's showing off. That move is usually followed by a hair flip and saying something cold.
They just don't understand. They just don't understand JUSTICE.
It's a sports joke.
Both are acceptable. She was up all night half luminousing and abusing coobie.
Saw that yesterday. Try harder, faggot.
Except that falling off the cliff is literally not a problem because Homura's motif is rebirth from death, and The Fool symbolizes new beginnings.
Heh, people still trying to force this stupid shit?
Well, she has wings now too. Even without physical wings not only could she land after jumping off a building, she could fly around.
>not forcing shit
It doesn't force anything, you casual retard. It's perfectly in line with everything else the 'ending' is trying to tell you. Or do you not understand what 'mada dame yo' means?
Heh, you're still here?
Why would they suddenly start adding in tarot references at literally the very end of the movie? It seems very unlikely. They already had plenty of good themes going with the nutcracker and all that, and then to just rush in something totally unrelated?
She's on her third set of wings now. Other meguca are you even trying?
Most of them don't really need wings to stunt around. Homura is just really weak.
You can't deny the parallel in imagery between the two or how perfectly the meaning of The Fool ties into the ending, so you're copping out by making meta assumptions that have no logical basis?
I'm kind of disappointed that Sayaka and Nagisa didn't reveal their true angel forms with wings made out of music and cheese, respectively.
I hadn't even thought of that. It sounds heavenly.
>You can't deny the parallel in imagery between the two or how perfectly the meaning of The Fool ties into the ending
Yes, I can, and I have many times. It wouldn't bother me if you were just pointing out some interesting parallels, but acting like that's the only possible way to interpret it? You're just being a pompous ass who thinks his opinion is fact then. The post-credits scene was clearly not intended to be straightforward in meaning, there are many possible interpretations that could explain it.
And you didn't actually address my concern of it being rather incongruous to just throw in a tarot reference in the last two minutes of the movie.
Sure, when she was Moemura. Bowmura must have gotten a Madokami powerup. She seemed to have no trouble at all with wraiths, and must have been one hell of a meguca for her barrier to reproduce the entire city. Her Clara dolls were also powerful enough to be a match for megucas.
I bet Charlotte is dreaming about eating a delicious Mami head.
No, you're just stretching the meaning of things to force your shit, is obvious that that isn't the intention of that scene with all the obvious themes of suicide and dreams.
>wings made out of cheese
A person is dancing recklessly near the edge of a cliff with an animal at their heels and the conceptualization of their life experiences in their hands. Has this person gone mad or are they inspired? They fall off the cliff seemingly unaware of their drop. This is the ending, but also a new beginning.
Now, which of the two things we are talking about did I just describe?
It's not like she has a lot of material to work with. Maybe cake wings? Or something hospital-related?
You're right anon, Homura wants to just give up and kill herself. That's what this scene was all about, if I recall.
Are you actually listening to me? Is this some sort of automated Foolbot or something? How does that address anything I just said?
Actually, yes, that's exactly what happens in that scene and then Madoka stops her, what's your point?
The "gott is tot" reference to Nietzsche is never mentioned after that. Homura is The Nutcracker Witch and yet if you try to compare the plot to the ballet's, Homura seems more like the Clara to Madoka's Nutcracker. The Faust references are also very shallow and really don't extend beyond Homu->Faust QB->Meph and Madokami->heavenly Gretchen.
None of the references the movie makes are overarching nor are they neatly congruent with the plot. Shove it.
Charlotte has those little red and blue wings on her head thing.
Is this translated yet?
>gott ist tot
>god is literally hope
>hope is dead
>homu a witch
>hope is forbidden for witches
Homura finds her hope for the future after that scene. Why would she relinquish that just minutes later into the movie and want to give up and be alone and dead? That's the polar opposite of character development, not to mention that it contradicts the ED and this imagery.
Acquiring ultimate form represents Homura reaching a peak of her development.
Attempts to force The Fool symbolism are completely idiotic, because it contradicts the point of the movie.
>gott ist tot
>god is dead
>homu represents death
>homu is god
Your other points are irrelevant straw-manning. I never claimed that this interpretation of the ending is the only right way to look at it, I'm just responding to posts that try to rebut its credibility as a possible interpretation.
The Nietzsche stuff works throughout the movie with Homura's motivation being to become the ubermensch or whatever the fuck, we've been over that plenty of times. The Nutcracker stuff is also relevant throughout the movie because of all the dreaming stuff, regardless of how perfectly it fits. And Faust has been in the series since day one. Themes tend not to be picked up and dropped within the span of a couple minutes.
>peak of her development
>"Not just yet"
>"The night is still half-eaten"
but homu represents love
I wonder what's next, Homu going from devil to goddess?
>Homura seems more like Clara
>Homura gets broken by "Nux Walpurgis" (Walpurga's Nut)
>receives ribbon as a favor
>fights against a rodent
>allies with tin soldiers and dolls
No, Homura is the nutcracker.
She made hope for Madoka's future, not her own. The ED is a lovely dream of them holding hands together, but the reality is her sitting alone at night without Madoka by her side. She accomplished her goal, but that's not the same as personal happiness.
>Urobuchi: Personally, I feel like I wrote all there is to Madoka in the TV series, and now I’ve written all there is to Homura in this movie. I feel like I’ve had both of them graduate.
I don't think mermaids get wings.
>hope for Madoka's future
>no Homu in it
I don't like this hope.
There you have it folks, Homura's true nature is evil. There's no redemption to be had, she'll either rule the universe forever or be killed in a climatic fight of good over evil.
But what about angel mermaids?
Homura is no more. Only Homulilly remains.
You turn your way of life into your dream. That's the will to power. Happiness comes as a natural result of overcoming your obstacles.
I'm getting confused. Is Nietzschean Homura just a switch you guys turn on and off to suit whatever is convenient for your argument at the time?
This is of course a meaningless statement because a) the plot of the sequel isn't decided b) urobuchi might not be involved with the series any more and c) death of the author.
Homulilly was also replaced by a new and improved Akuma Homura.
How did you pull "homu is evil" out of that?
It's pretty easy to make a quick analogy within a scene that isn't extrapolated into the entire plot. See: every witch's literary background, Utena shadows, Mami's Candeloro symbol on her tank, the chess imagery for Homura as king and Madoka as queen, etc.
Akuma Homura's ear clip dark gem thing says "Homulilly"
Hotter than hope, and deeper than despair. Not only is Akuma Homura Homu+Homulilly, but she is greater than the sum of her parts.
I'm not the one who brought up Nietzsche. And that's a lovely idea, but do you really think Homura has the mental fortitude to derive happiness from nothing more than accomplishing her goals? She's not Junko, no matter how much she might want to be. She's a scared, lonely, self-hating little girl playing at being a devil. No matter how much she denies it, her happiness is being with Madoka, the same as her despair is being separated from Madoka.
Remember the whole theme in the series about wishing for what you really want? That making a wish for someone else won't get you what you actually desire? That didn't stop being a thing or anything.
>Otter than hope, and deeper than despair.
Even so, Coobie say she's no longer a meguca or a witch.
who weiss here
tfw no sign
>Faust references are shallow
>Faust Part I
>Homura is approached by Kyuubey to grant happiness
>Homura uses this wish to pursue a naïve and pure girl, Madoka
>Kyuubey constantly interferes with Homura's quest and pushes them both closer to the edge
>A person close to Madoka, who could be described as a knight, loses her life to grief and is ostensibly killed by Kyuubey and Homura
>Madoka eventually loses it on the night of Walpurgisnacht
>Sie is gerichtet!
>Ad infinitum until Homura makes a change and tells Madoka the truth
>Sie ist gerettet!
>She now intercedes on behalf of fallen magical girls
>Faust Part 2
>Homura awakens in a "lovely place" with no memory of Madoka or her sacrifice
>Kyuubey plays dumb
>Parade of extravagance
>Homura creates a world of ideal beauty but destroys it in anger
>second Walpurgisnacht of sorts occurs with the destruction of the dream world
>Homura uses all her power to defeat a foreign entity
>Homura betters the lives of all her friends and experiences a single moment of bliss
Oh no, extremely shallow.
>"I'm sure it'll be okay, as long as you're by my side!"
>"Didn't I tell you that I'll never let you go?"
I thought the idea being expressed was that Homura has stopped denying her desires. Sure, she's not the ultimate solution who will magically solve everyone's problems on her own, but she's become honest with herself. She's taking a step forward, not retreating back into her hikki blanket.
>It's pretty easy to make a quick analogy within a scene that isn't extrapolated into the entire plot
Doesn't that only reinforce my point? There's a pretty big difference between a quick reference to something for a witch's background and a theme that changes the entire meaning of the ending.
Homura is a useless and treacherous girl, Madoka is better off without her in her life. Homura was wrong about everything else, but she was right on this one account.
Homu plz stop.
>"I'm sure it'll be okay, as long as you're by my side!"
And in the post-credits scene, Madoka is very dramatically not by her side. That's kind of the whole deal with the half-Luminous.
I don't think the person you've quoted would argue that Faust references are necessarily shallow.
However, Rebellion's similarity to Part 2 doesn't extend past the premise and I don't know why anyone would argue otherwise.
No she isn't. Homura and Madoka are better together. They needed each other the entire series and they still do.
Who are you quoting
>changes the entire meaning of the ending
>Kubota: Not simple to answer, like I mentioned, but I do think that it's a happy ending
>Urobuchi: I'd say it's happy end, at least for the main character Homura.
It's pretty easy to argue that the suicide imagery is being pushed way too hard and as way too much of a negative.
Homura's symbol is the salamander, representing death and rebirth. 'Death' only served to strengthen her, and people are still pushing it like she's a weak little girl hiding under her blanket.
>not know who Übermensch
>not making the connection between the Akuma's valuation system and Nietzsche's Übermensch
Wow, you're striking out today.
Not a single point you've brought up is valid. The nutcracker stuff arguably extends back through episode 11 and goes into until at least Homulilly (and the plot matches just fine), elements of both Marlowe's and Goethe's Faust have been goddamn omnipresent, and Nietzsche's value system ostensibly can be said to have always been part of Homura's psychology, as well as the whole Gott ist töt thing being an obvious reference to the bringing down of Madoka and the separation of earth and heaven. You're an idiot.
Half-moon, half-luminous. The night is still half-eaten. Homura's not going to pull a Sayaka and fall into a spiral of despair because Madoka isn't by her side. She's gonna go out and fucking do something about it.
Meant to quote
>The night is still half-eaten
That just means it's not over yet. It could go either way.
>Homura's not going to pull a Sayaka and fall into a spiral of despair because Madoka isn't by her side
Well no, but that's because all the suffering she goes through is for Madoka's sake, as it always has been. That's what keeps her going. But, that doesn't change the fact that it is suffering.
>She's gonna go out and fucking do something about it.
Like what? She doesn't need to get closer to Madoka to achieve her goal, she already achieved her goal. Her own personal misery is an acceptable price to pay, in her eyes.
>Homura's not going to pull a Sayaka and fall into a spiral of despair because Madoka isn't by her side.
At least she won't do that again, not that you can become a double witch anyway.
My brother's very first Weiss card was a signed Kyoko.
At least I have the SR End of Karma for Madoka.
>not that you can become a double witch anyway.
Hey, no one thought you could become a devil using love before Homura did it either. I'm sure if she despaired hard enough she could find a way.
Just luminous with the fucking chickens or something Saotome
That's a really hard straw man you're pulling there. Most of the time in these threads, I'm the one pushing for Homura as being in pursuit of the Nietzschean ideal. I've been doing so since November because I'm very interested in her character.
My point regarding "Gott ist tot" is simply that within the frame of the movie, they do not make any other specific, explicit references to Nietzsche. This claim I make does not extend to inferences you can make by looking at Nietzsche's work and Homura's actions side-by-side.
Saotome confirmed for Homu from the future.
Homura is singing/humming it while grinning/dancing, depending on movie/manga. That's a clear sign of depression?
Explains why she's so frustrated with men.
Since no man can even compare to Madoka.
>Her own personal misery is an acceptable price to pay, in her eyes.
>tfw you will never hold the Homu tight and tell her everything will be okay
She can luminous with Nakazawa.
No, but she's overcome by her evil love and is losing her grip on reality. She fucking thinks harming herself is good for Madoka.
Yeah that's a good point. 'Half-luminous' could just be a red herring and it's really meant to be a throwback to Bokurano like the chairs were originally intended to be.
She could've luminoused with Nakazawa.
>homu turning straight
Clearly fake. She's a Madosexual.
It could mean anything, really. It's been established that Homura uses her despair as fuel. I mean, what else is she going to do? She's accomplished what she wanted to do, her interest now should be preserving her status quo. Maybe she just knows it can't last, or maybe she has some other crazy plan? Who knows.
Your argument was it was not overarching, and it clearly was. In addition, once again the bringing down of a god and unchaining of earth from heaven are sort of explicit. Unless you're arguing a reference doesn't count unless the story or relevant quote is shown to the audience, which is dumb.
Hell, even the Rorschach that showed up during Homura's speech might be No. 4, ie the powerful figure. I'd have to check.
That said, I don't think the Tarot reference is necessarily incongruous, since PSP Homulilly is clearly a magician reference, the card associated with stubbornness, resourcefulness and self-sufficiency.
Don't feel like your attempts to discredit much stronger motifs were very well thought-out or necessary to your argument though.
>'Half-luminous' could just be a red herring and it's really meant to be a throwback to Bokurano like the chairs were originally intended to be.
How does that make any sense
It was clearly intentional
She may be, but she clearly has a thing for Nakazawa since when she's not staring at Madoka she's staring at him.
>That's a clear sign of depression?
Yeah, well look at these clearly out of context frames where it looks like she's stealing glances at Nakazawa
Faust part 2 is so fucking weird
Isn't it worth the cost, though? Homura accepting her burden is the reason Madoka is not only alive but able to become a god. Will it be any different this time around? All I see in the future is Homura's actions resulting in more happiness, and then even though Homura herself is hurt, Madoka comes for her to shoulder the burden. It's pretty archetypical.
She brought him into her barrier, so that must mean something.
If Madoka goes all dualism on us and helps Homura out, sure. But as it stands now, she's suffering unduly.
Clip-chan stares at both of them. What if it's a love trapezoid?
She's glancing back at Madoka you double baka
>Nakazawa asks Homura on a date
>she spends the entire time sperging out about how great Madoka is
wait a sec did poorfag get a laptop?
He was the first and possibly only student's name she learned.
>wait a sec did poorfag get a laptop?
Yes, she did.
She got one in the movies, yeah. She also got a boyfriend and dyed her hair towards the beginning of movie one. Given all the laptops are identical they're probably school issued.
She got a laptop in episode 8, too, but it was right after Sayaka ran away, so obviously Sayaka have away her laptop.
>Unless you're arguing a reference doesn't count unless the story or relevant quote is shown to the audience, which is dumb.
I only argue that a reference does not need to be shown more than once to be relevant to the whole story, and use "gott ist tot" as a driving point for that.
>Don't feel like your attempts to discredit much stronger motifs were very well thought-out or necessary to your argument though.
What's with the defensive listening? I support those motifs and have been pushing them for months. You want to take a step back and remove our egos from this? I'd rather we did. It's not relevant.
I still don't get the dyed hair thing, she looks the same in >>102148068. Where was her hair a different color?
Hurting herself hurts Madoka, so it's not okay no matter how hard Homura tries to hide the truth from her. Madoka needs to teach Homura how to love herself. Maybe that'll change her from a lusting devil into a loving goddess like Madoka.
If you argue a point then don't argue like a fucking idiot.
She stole it! She took it out of Sayaka's bag when Kyouko was raping her dead body.
Just a little bit
It's the path she chose to walk.
Because she's crazy, yes.
Yurifags are truly the worst.
Apparently you're not interested. Well, go ahead and get the last word in if you're interested.
She's not crazy at all.
>There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness.
>being a god
That could work too.
Homu sure goes through a lot of different dresses.
>Maybe that'll change her from a lusting devil into a loving goddess like Madoka.
I fucking hope, that fucking dress need to fucking go.
Homu does not have a way of operating other than protect the Madoka at all costs.
Is she crazy, or simply pure of thought?
Madoka and Homua both wearing pure white dresses lying in a field of flowers is the only possible ending.
Madoka is a big girl who knows how to take care of herself!
>If you're going to become a devil than I will too! I can't lose you Homura-chan!
What about Madoka and Homura walking to school during the winter? It'd be like a symbol that they finally beat the timeloop once and for all.
Isn't it time to leave school behind? It's not like they can learn anything more, they've been through all those classes like a zillion times.
Some good stuff in here.
But all the megucas are there now, and it could be fun.
>the megucas eating lunch together and Kyouko eating everything in sight, but Mami protecting Nagisa's cheese
>Homu using her homulaser to vaporize another student who made fun of Madoka for being a lesbian
>Homu and Mado glancing at each other and having a giggle when their teacher goes on about god and the end of the world and shit like that
>Kyouko staying at Homu's house when she's had too much justice
>Sayaka being chuuni and calling Homu the devil at inappropriate times, then their teacher drinking with Junko and telling her about the goofy looking autistic girl
>implying you can ever have too much justice
Also, isn't Nagisa an elementary-schooler
Yes she is. Good point.
Aight, so I just finished the anime, should I watch the movies too? Or should I wait with them until the last movie gets released?
>every thread until you like it
Uh, aight, should I take that as a "no"?
You could try looking up what the movies are and decide from there
Take it as a lurk the fuck more or check the archive. This question gets asked like twice a day.
Watch them, they're good. The camrip for Rebellion is watchable, but if you're capable of waiting until April the blu-ray will look amazing.
I know that they are based on the 12 episodes, but is there any new content in them?
Stop. HOMU TIME ~ MC Hammer
Not really, they're mostly just prettier.
>the camrip of Rebellion is watchable
I had a giggle.
Google it you faggot.
Think I'm gonna wait until the BD for Rebellion releases and watch all of the movies then. Thanks guys.
No plot change but some scenes are redone. If you got a good memory, you can play spot the difference.
which meguca wud u _hug
I personally prefer "Cheese Gremlin" as a term for Nagisa.
How is that even an insult?
I had a hard time coming up with anything bad to say about Madoka
Useless Cheese is better.
I'll take Goofy-Looking Beauty for 500, Alex
Seems like a bit of an oxymoron.
I'm sure I don't understand you.
Put your trip back on so I can filter you, Kevin.
That still isn't an insult (neither Madoka for that matter), I think you're not very good at this, anon.
Kevin isn't a real Sayakafag anyway, he's a disgrace.
I am not good with bullying the megucas.
What's a meguca sleepover like?
All four of the other girls being jealous of Mami's mammies.
There will probably be cake.
Mumi gets lonely as usual
>My drills hurt
Okay, you got me.
That's probably for the best. HomuMado and KyouSaya went to do perverted things in other rooms.
Everyone leaves Mami-san in the end...
That's what ribbon clones are for.
Maybe we can get some spare Kyoukos to keep the Mamis company.
>implying they don't all sleep on the same bed
Just don't stare, it's rude.
Hey guys, should I watch the movies? Just finished the show, it was pretty good.
I just want to know if I should watch the movies. Also, is Rebellion BD subbed yet? I don't liek camrips.
You should watch boku no pico.
Watch the movies, and the BD for Rebellion isn't out yet. April 2nd.
Oh nice. Where can I preorder it?
Boku no Pico.
As expected of Sayakafags.
The guy's just shitposting. He's probably upset that people still answer >>102151556 >>102151188
What the fuck am I suppose to do now?
That's beautiful anon
Go watch some fucking anime or something
Well, they're both crazy bitches for one. Now I'm wondering if Saotome is autistic too.
Watch Madoka again. God knows a lot of the persistent posters in Madoka threads need to. You guys get so much shit wrong.
We can't all do everything right like Homura does.
But she didn-- Oh, I get it.
>thinking Homura did something wrong
That's an interesting way to spell Oriko.
That's an interesting way to spell a shit.
>literally worst meguca in the history of the universe
Say what you will, but at least she saved the world.
I don't recall her saving shit.
Nope, Homura cleaned up her mess.
When Oriko died I hope Madokami saw who it was, said NOPE, and went back through her window.