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>TTGL is a show about manly resolve, bromance, centres around the relationship between a boy and his older brother figure
>KLK is about dealing with body image, fashion, mother issues, is about two sisters
>yfw you realise that KLK was always written to be the feminine version of TTGL
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That's, uh.

Yeah, I guess you're right.
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>KLK is objectively better
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>>102108019
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>>102108019
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>>102108164
xD
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>>102108019
>yfw you realise that KLK was always written to be the feminine version of TTGL

This was the general consensus since day 1.

I still think the school is a mech
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How long did it take you to work this out?
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>>102108280
Well fuck you I just got it.
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in which way is TTGL related to KLK? explain me
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>>102108269
Kill yourself and go back to reddit. Any order you like.
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>>102108019
>>yfw you realise that KLK was always written to be the feminine version of TTGL

So that is why it's about scissoring instead of drilling?
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>>102108374
Did you read the OP?
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>>102108164
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>>102108374
They are thematically parallel.
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>>102108374
same director

>>102108455
>>102108510
duh
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I hereby claim this thread in the name of Team Dai KaminaxSimon
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>>102108343
We've been comparing them since before KLK even aired. Where have you been.
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>>102108374
similar styles, I don't like since it's in a school setting, kind of sick of the highschool drama shit, high school is way over dramatized in all these animes
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>>102108567
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>>102108606
Welcome to /a/ now get out.
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>>102108164
No.
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>>102108622
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>>102108563
Well I haven't even seen the show. Have fun with your discussion.
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>>102108567
It's been a long time since I saw something Kamina x Simon related.

Captcha : frenchified ofneak
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>>102108606
English isn't your first language, is it.
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>>102108719
Goddammit I just broke this habit.
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>>102108719

>>102108731
Their love is eternal
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>>102108019
>centres around the relationship between a boy and his older brother figure
That's only during the first half. Sure, Kamina had a serious impact on Simon's life, turning him into the man he became.
However, the second half is about Simon's relationship with Nia. Hell, not even the second half, it had already become like that when Nia showed up for the first time.

>is about two sisters
True, but each one of them had their own independent story, even though they were intertwined due to Ryuuko's attempt at taking revenge for her father.
If anything, the most meaningful relationship thus far is Ryuuko and Senketsu's partnership.
Hell, even Ryuuko's relationship with Mako has been more relevant to whatever relationship she's had with Satsuki thus far.
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>>102108719
>does this look like the face of mercy?
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>>102108164
Agreed.
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>>102108803
All flavours are welcome
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>>102108814
Both shows balance this sibling like relationship/learning what it means to be a man/be a woman, with the main character gaining an important relationship with a character of the opposite sex.

Where is the difference again?
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30 fucking threads,for fuck sake
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>>102108688
Man, I wish the battle between the Gurren Brigade and the Spiral King was actually like this and Lazengan got more than 5 minutes of screen time.
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>>102109006
>what it means to be a man/be a woman

Im sorry but im not seeing that at all in KlK
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>>102108936
Nothing lewd going on here.
>>102109049
If only we had 30 threads for Team Dai KaminaxSimon. One day our ship will pierce the heavens!
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>>102108019
IRC please
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>klk
>feminist

i dont think you know what modern feminism looks like

klk is about sexy school girls getting crazy and then and theres always something even more crazy around the corner so the 'plot' can continue
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>>102109106
You are kidding right?
>>102109145
Confirmed for having vision problems. You are the first person to use that word here, friend.
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>>102109106
Someone will eventually post the feminism version of this for you.
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>>102109006
>what it means to be a man/be a woman
Give us clear examples of this in KlK.

>Both shows balance this sibling like relationship
Right, that's why the sister's plot twist comes within the final stretch of the series, making it seem more like an asspull than anything due to lack of competent foreshadowing.
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>>102109116
more like penis will pierce the anus amirite?
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>>102109185
No, im not. Nice retort though.
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>>102109006
>Both shows balance this sibling like relationship/learning what it means to be a man/be a woman
Satsuki was never teaching Ryuuko about anything.
All she wanted was her to become stronger, in order to fight Ragyou. Whether she became fond of her while leading her by the nose, is another matter. But they've never had a sibling-like relationship like what Simon and Kamina had.

>with the main character gaining an important relationship with a character of the opposite sex.
But Ryuuko hasn't gained an important relationship with a character of the opposite sex.
Her most meaningful relationship is Senketsu, and he isn't even human or any other kind of animal. For all we know, he's sexless.
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>>102109116
Sometimes they are bunnies and cats. I don't know why but fujoshi gonna fujoshi.
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>>102109263
>sexy man voice
>wedding dress parallels
Senketsu is her husbando. He's a man who was literally made for her.
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>tumblr
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>>102109145
There are many different kinds of feminism. KLK flies in the face of third wave feminism but it's still pretty feminist.
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>>102109234
>lack of competent foreshadowing.

Everyone knew they were sisters
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>>102109234
>Give us clear examples of this in KlK.

Right from the start we have body issues, being comfortable with how you look, and almost every single big conflict has people talking in endless dual-meaning puns that are both about the crazy powerlevel mythology of the anime, and at the same times also real issues to do with girls and fashion.
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>>102109347
He's actually her wife according to his Seiyuu.
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>>102109347
The voice means nothing. He's not a human being or any animal from this planet.
He's a Life Fiber. We don't know if those even any particular sexual characteristics.

>wedding dress parallels
That description has only been used for Junketsu.
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>>102109404
>KLK flies in the face of third wave feminism
No, it doesn't. KLK is hella third wave.
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>>102109006
>sibling like relationship
Well, its a more actual definition of a sibling and we still have yet to see how Ryuuko and Satsuki interact with each other when they have a common goal and a blood bond.
>what it means to be a man/be a woman
That has not happened so far in KLK. It's not over yet, so it could still be possible, but shoving in a theme like this 18 episodes in is not a good idea.
>an important relationship with a character of the opposite sex
You could argue this is her relationship with Senketsu, but it really isn't too important a relationship. It more closely resembles a symbiotic relationship.

In general, I don't think comparing KLK to TTGL is accurate or smart.
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>>102109404
It's very first wave the only good one, what with all the bra burnings and wanting to work for a living instead of living for free.
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>>102109421
Bullshit. Nothing foreshadows it. People grabbed onto that notion because they wanted there to be a deeper connection. It came out of fanfiction type shit, not because there was any indication in the content of the show that it was going to happen like that.
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>>102109484
Exactly
>>102109404
Surely you mean second wave...
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>>102109106
>Show about accepting your own body.
>about the sense of fashion and one's true identity under the clothes.
>about overcoming the fear and obsession with the one who imposed emotional and physical abuse on a little girl.

How it feels to be blind?
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>>102109495
That is second wave you are thinking of. First wave is woman's suffrage.
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>>102109507
>I've seen less then 20 anime

It was clear as fuck since the first 3 episodes. Fuck off back to whatever hole you come from.
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OP here
>>102109520
This, basically. I'm not saying that KLK even covers "what it is like to be a girl" that well, but it is obvious that it takes that as its theme: it's looking at someone's take on what those issues are.
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>>102109520
Those can all be applied to males as well.
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>>102109532
So I do. It's what I get for reading manga about cute boys doing awesome things instead of paying attention in class.
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I've been saying this since day one you fucks.
Why aren't you shitting up this thread like you do every other time someone says this about KLK?
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>>102109603
Very flamboyant males i assume.
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>>102109567
Not that guy, but your greentext implies that you could imagine it'd be revealed they'd be sisters due to developments in other works, and not due to anything hinted at in the show itself, which is what I think the other guy was arguing.
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>>102109567
>Imply the person has watched little anime
>Order them back to Reddit/Gaia/Somethingawful or whatever
The unbeatable argument for the person who cant articulate an actual opinion
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>>102109520
Well it's pretty fucking weak compared to TTGL. Accepting your own body? They're fucking hot as hell, who wouldnt accept that within seconds.
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>>102109299
I don't know why everyone is talking about girly things like fashion in the Team Dai KaminaxSimon thread. Here is a picture of our two favourite boys doing normal healthy boy things in the bathroom together.
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>>102109532
Yes, this.

First people talking about third then about first...

Quit recap for those of you who know nothing about feminism (which is probably almost every anon considering they all buy into the strawmen about feminists).

First Wave: Suffrage/Work

Second: Bra burning and 'we don't need no man'. Very exclusive, for "real women" only.

Third: Accepting and tolerant. Not homogenously one thing or the other, though sex-positive feminism is pretty popular in third wave third-wavers don't consider there to be only 'one way' to be feminist, like the second's did.
Also WTF the captchas went really really hard again.
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>>102109603
All the themes in Gurren Lagann could apply to women, but thats considered a manly man anime. These themes just apply to young females more frequently
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>>102109603
And TTGL can be applied to females too. The point is that KlK features girls overcoming classically girly problems.
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>>102109424
That has nothing to do with what it means to be a woman. Ryuko's embarrassment isn't because she's not comfortable showing her womanly body to people. It's because she's not comfortable showing her body in general. Both men and women have that in common. Ryuko's character doesn't want to fall into expectations of gender. If anything, the message could be to not let trivial things such as gender expectations to rule you.

Oh, god. I really hope you don't take the duel-meaning puns as something the writers want you to seriously consider as a main theme. They're just juvenile jokes to fit with the other silly elements of the show.
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>>102109702
Youc ertainly hasn't deal with hot women and their self-image issues, don't you? Even if they're hot as hell there are always minor issues most of them ahve with their bodies. Some just prick about minor details but others are obsessed as fuck and they can't just be content with their image even if they're Beauty Contest tier.
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>>102109741
Based feminist anon in expected place. Standard /pol/ thinking is that all feminists are Second Wave, and the third wave never happened.
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>>102109532
Which was probably a bad idea, in hindsight. The Athenians had their shit together.
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>>102109806
Look, you have autism and find it impossible to understand what it would be like to be another person, especially one of another gender. That is fine, but please don't go shitting up this thread. Just accept you have a problem, It's cool.
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>>102109861
>laughingspartans.jpg
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>>102109806
> Both men and women have that in common.
It's a minor issue outside of the US, especially among the bros. Nudity isn't really a thing, other than as a joke.
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>>102109811
Jesus fucking christ, learn some english before you spew nonsense on this board. That was painful to read.
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>>102109739
If you just want to dump yaoi head to /y/ faggot.
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>>102109739
This is homoerotic, which conflicts with what I was promised, but is actually pretty okay by me.
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>>102109661
This is what I was getting at.

>>102109567
Oh, so it wasn't only hinted at, but it was clear since the beginning? If you can screencap these indications you're so confident of, I will zuk your dick.
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>>102109811
Ryuuko never had an issue with her body, though.
Her issue was that Senketsu was too revealing.
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>>102109739
Whatever age they come in, I think we can all agree that KaminaxSimon is the best pairing we've ever seen in anime.
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>>102109882
>>102109822
>>102109741
Why in heaven's name is tumblr here.
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>>102108164
But that's wrong you fucking retard.
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>>102109949
Your city-state gives far too much influence to its women

I bet you don't even fuck boys in the ass. What are you, gay?
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>>102109702
> They're fucking hot as hell, who wouldnt accept that within seconds.
You obviously can't empathize with what issues that women face.
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>>102109990
You haven't been paying attention to shounen these past 30 years, have you. Boys have really feminine interests like muscly dudes fighting and the power of friendship. Shit's gay and I wouldn't have it any other way
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>>102110083
People not being ignorant of massively important social movements has been a thing long before that cesspool of a website for angsty teenage girls existed. You don't have to be a feminist to know your shit.
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>>102109984
Have some of this.
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>>102110028
Im usually well on the homo-train, but the idea of Kamina seeing Simon hold Nias hand and shit and bursting with pride is so adorable its made me go with despicable straight ship
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>>102109247
You were literally the first one in the thread to say feminism, though.
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>>102110083
They've always been rampant in KLK threads, for some reason.
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>>102110219
Simon/Nia was kind of the main canon pair.
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>>102110083
>KLK thread

Why do you think anon?
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>>102110313
Yeah, but that usually doesnt stop me supporting boyslove
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>>102110160
>women don't train naked with the men
>their mothers are weak and flabby and produce unhealthy babies
>their men are more feminine than our women

Have fun with that boipussy, fags. Oh, and how are those Thirty Tyrants we sent over working out for you?
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>>102110028
>>102110219
Some love is only between boys.
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>>102110248
I think it was the other anon. Or maybe the anon who mentioned feminism was just try to stir shit up.
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>>102109882
What are you talking about? If you were indeed the person I was responding to, you need to articulate your thoughts more clearly. The "body issues, the "being comfortable with how you look", have not a lot to do with gender alone. Yet, that is what you were arguing for. A woman's embarrassment of being naked isn't inherently greater than a man's. Her struggle with being in Senketsu in the beginning wasn't because she had a woman's body that was being shown so openly. If Ryuko's character was man, he still would have been just as embarrassed because that's just Ryuko's personality for ya.
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>>102110655
Nah, dudes don't have any problem exposing themselves. It's just you.
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>>102110740
>Kamina topping grown up Simon

Its like you didnt get the subtext in the "when did you get taller than me" line
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>>102110655
>what are themes?

Does anyone have the version of this with the speech in subtitles? It pretty much answers what this fag can't understand.
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>>102110740
>>102110834
I figure they like to switch for each other, being ultimate bros like that. The resolve of their love pierces the heavens.
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>>102110655
No one's saying dudes don't face these problems, but body acceptance and being overly concerned with covering up are looked at as very feminine struggles.
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>>102110532
This one is my favourite.
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>>102110978
I can see the appeal though.
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>>102108164
Why is adult Simon so fucking hot? I don't even know how this is possible.
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>>102111129
When was there any indication in the show that Ryuko had body acceptance problems? Because she blushed at first? That can be explained by the concept of people being comfortable looking at themselves naked in the mirror, but wouldn't want to be caught naked in public. She wears a skirt with her midriff showing. She's fine with her body.
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>>102111344
Looks like all of the girls are gone, so we can get back to talking about pure BL. Here is an example of how friendly competitive spirit can be expressed through BL via the medium of sharing.
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>>102111552
Armpits
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>>102111664
Sometimes the best thing after a fight is a nice friendly cuddle between bros.
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>>102111742
Just some innocent mounting going on here, nothing lewd at all.
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>>102110891
>what it means to be a man/be a woman
Prove this a major theme in the show, then.
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>>102111792
Why the hell am I doing this?
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>>102111849
I wish I knew how to stop.
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>>102111953
Its actually 4 in the morning. I've lost control of my life.
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>>102112027
The only thing that feels right is posting more of this ship.
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>>102108164
That's true but only because TTGL is total shit and KLK doesn't blatantly rip off others.
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>>102112088
And I fucking forgot my image.
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>>102112182
Bathtime! Is anyone even still here? T-team?
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>>102112252
I'm gonna commit sudoku after this one.
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>>102112341
By which I mean this one.
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>>102112396
Team Dai KaminaxSimon signing off. I regret nothing.
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>>102109741
I think feminism became a mess later on so that makes shit confusing. They all branch out in all different issues and sometimes contradict each other
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>>102108448
12/10
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>>102108164
I wouldn't say objectively, but I'm liking KlK better so far.
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>>102108019
>>KLK is about dealing with body image, fashion, mother issues, is about two sisters
Do people really actually fucking believe that shit?
>mfw close up shots a characters bare asses for 10+ seconds at a time
>all dat female empowerment

It's a pure mindless action show, it has about as much depth as Bleach. If you genuinely think otherwise then you are a fucking idiot.
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>>102109145
Feminine not feminism you homolord. I bet you like cocks.
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>>102108019
>yfw you realise that KLK was always written to be the feminine version of TTGL
And that is why the arguments over which show is better are stupid. It boils down to your preferences.

While it seems KlK was written to be TTGL: Girls Side or "for girls", I expect the creators to deny this.

Nice thread btw. Better than the other KlK/TTGL comparison threads I've seen. I didn't think so many Kamina x Simon pics existed.
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>>102108019
People have always focused on Kamina a bit too much. He's only in the series for 8 episodes and his purpose is just to turn Simon into a MAN.
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>>102115399
You can read KLK as a mindless action show alright... but it have deeper motivations, implications and narrative.

>implying
I would not wander in your simplistic mind territory calling you names. Lets just say YOU didnt get the things happening under the surface of the show. Maybe in a few years you'll understand that some offerings in various types of media try to deliver a hidden message.
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>>102108448
Holy fuck
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>>102116051
Pls explain the hidden meaning behind the lead females ass in nothing but a thong taking up the entire screen for literally 10 seconds straight twice in one episode?
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>>102116212
It's for my penis.
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>>102116051
Really, it was just meant to be a pretty straightforward, fun, shounen battle show. Which it accomplished that.

Seriously, people like you are terrible. Like those progressive hipster artists who try to inject meaning into every little thing despite it just not meaning anything more than face value.
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>>102116212

She'll catch a cold and spend the last five episodes bedridden.

An important moral.
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I thought that the main theme of KLK was the duality of consciousness... rooted in Buddhist thought.

Life Fibers are analogous to the unconscious mind (instinct, emotion, impulse). Humans are the conscious mind.

Satsuki tries to dominate the unconscious mind through an "iron will."

Ragyo completely submits to her instinctual impulses.

Ryuko instead tries to befriend it -- not rejecting it, nor letting it take over, but instead working together with it.

In Buddhism, the connection of mind and body (mainly through meditation) is an important concept -- the mind and the body become "one" and then one attains enlightenment.

I'm not a buddhism expert, but that's just something I observed. Could obviously be wrong.
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>>102116051
I'll bite
Prove to me that you are not trolling. I can't see any deeper meaning in Kill la kill. Prove me wrong by explaining to me what's hidden beneath the surface.
I'll be honest with you: I don't expect you to be able to do it, but I'll read with an open mind whatever you have to write. I'm even asking gently, so please don't be n asshole and reply. If KlK really has a deep, enrichening value to it, I'd like to take part of that.
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>>102116580
Decent troll attempt.
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>>102116580
>In Buddhism, the connection of mind and body (mainly through meditation) is an important concept -- the mind and the body become "one" and then one attains enlightenment.
As far as I can remember in Buddhism enlightenment is obtained by ridding yourself of worldly desires and escaping the cycle of reincarnation. But I also think there's like a million Buddhists currents.
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>>102116383
Fucking this.

It's just a fun actiony show, nothing else. Any deeper hidden meaning you see is all in your head because you want it to be something more.

Case in point >>102116580 this fucking guy
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>>102112886
Thank you anon, I felt the best kind of deja-vu ever with seeing your pictures.
The first thing I saw when I came here to /a/ was a KamiSimo doujin. It's been years since I've seen anything TTGL-homolust on /a/
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>>102116383
>>102116691
Eva was just a mech show with real characters until the end. Nobody, except some retards, are really saying it's super deep, but there are some clear themes and symbolism throughout.
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>>102109520
You are stupid.
KlK is not about "accepting your own body" because NOTHING in the story relates to body issues. The presumed self-image issues Ryuko showed in the first three episodes were there so the power up in episode 3 felt a little justified, and were never mentioned or hinted at again.
Sense of fashion has nothing to do with it either. Life Fibers could have been, I don't know, Life Bread Buns and REVOCS a company selling fast food worldwide and nothing in the plot would have felt different. Fashion is never brought up.
Satsuki's plot is not about overcoming anything Satsuki suffered. It's good versus evil as vanilla as it gets. (Well maybe not that vanilla because Satsuki is actually an interesting figure and kind of an asshole herself)
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>>102108019
>TTGL sucked
>KLK sucked
You're right, I am seeing a pattern here.
Gainax sucks
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>>102117084
This is bait.
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>>102116913
>there are some clear themes and symbolism throughout
Didn't that get blown out by Anno saying he put that stuff there because it made it seem deep/cool?
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>>102116913
The symbolism was self contained too. It wasn't meant to have some super deep life meaning to it. It was just supposed to symbolize shit happening in the show or something about a character.
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>>102116913
Except nobody ever thought that. What a shit analogy.
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>>102117163
Yes, yes it is
However, it is also my honest opinion
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I just found out that the voice actor of Viral from TTGL also voices Sanageyama.
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>>102117186
>Gainax
KLK is not Gainax. It is Trigger.

I have taken the bait. Why can't I stop myself?
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>>102109199
...so Life Fibers are chemtrails?
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>>102117175
There are still clear themes in Eva. Abandonment being the biggest one and plenty of actual symbolism that wasn't just crosses and shit.
>>102117176
Yep. I think people confuse symbolism with meaning something is deep. Most stories have tons of symbolism. Even complete trite that has nothing good about it has symbolism in it.
>>102117182
>Except nobody ever thought that.
Plenty of people thought that Eva was just a mech show with real characters and that's EXACTLY what it was for a while. Hell there are tons of people that hate Eva because there's too much mech shit going on at the start of the show.
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>>102109199
Holy fucking shit
being this faggot
It's just like that episode of South Park.
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>>102108019
I thought it was S-CRY-Ed with tits?
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>>102113974
Pretty much, yeah. You'd think we'd be due for Fourth Wave Feminism by now, but the basic feminist ideals are pretty much standard for most remotely progressive thought, even by people who wouldn't call themselves feminists. Of course the internet has basically caused every fringe movement everywhere to get blown way out of proportion, and angry virgins vs bored white kids who are probably also angry virgins try their hardest to drown out everyone else.
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>>102117386
It's also PSG, Star Wars, and Oda Nobunaga's conquest. With more tits. And glowing nipples.
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>>102117386
Except S-CRY-Ed has some actual depth and meaning. KLK just has made up depth in peoples heads who want to feel better about watching a show about teenage girls getting their clothes ripped off
>inb4 their clothes being ripped off symbolizes the nakedness we all feel deep inside due the illusion of self inherit in all humans
see how fucking easy it is to make shit up and make it seem deep
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>>102117189
If you've played The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, you might also like to hear that he voiced adult Link.
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>>102117509
>I only watch deep and mature anime for mature people such as myself
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>>102117552
>voiced
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>>102108448
goddammit i lost it... also yes in a nutshell
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>>102117552
Now that i think about it, they do sound familiar.
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>>102117225
>not Gainax
>is Trigger.
How about you stop yourself from living
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KlK is a metaphor for the US electoral process

Ryuuko, with her hot-blooded attitude and desire to help the weak is the Democrat party/liberals/Obama

Satsuki, a driven, seemingly fascist woman who comes from money(Mitt Romney) is the Republican party/conservatives

Ragyou symbolises the corporations: at first she does not appear to be a direct player, but in actuality rules over(is mother to) both parties/girls. Her connection to clothing(money) gives her ultimate power over all

Nudist Beach are anarchists, since they want to free themselves from clothing(which symbolises money/society)

Nui is Ron Paul
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>>102117555
I watch tonnes of shitty series, I just don't go around pretending there's any hidden or deeper meaning behind them.
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>>102118081
To be fair, most of Studio TRIGGER is formed by a majority of the staff of "old Gainax."
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>>102118081
4/10 made me open paint and reply
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>>102118267
I figured you guys would say that. You're right, but it's still not Gainax. It's a different studio. Next time say that Gainax employees and ex-employees produce shit.
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>>102118210
Wow you're right, I guess America is Britain.
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>>102118467
>implying it isn't
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>>102117854
well... as one of the many lectures that people have in here, I think you are kinda correct.

KLK have strong anti-establishment components
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>>102108164
See, that's where you're wrong, though.
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>>102117854
None of those are remotely accurate and you're a fucking retard.
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>>102116691

Uh, no. There is clearly symbolism in the show and that is purposely intended by the writers. That is abundantly clear. Whether its to poke fun at people who try to find hidden meaning, or whether it is sincere, is unknown.



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