All time highest selling Dengeki Bunko light novels ordered by cumulative total:
To Aru Majutsu no Index: 14.8 million
Sword Art Online: 8.7 million
Shakugan no Shana: 8.6 million
Kino's Journey: 7.85 million
Oreimo: 5 million
Durarara: 4.7 million
Accel World: 3.8 million
Mahouka: 3.15 million
Rokyu-bu: 2.17 million
Sakurasou: 1.8 million
Hataraku Maou-sama: 1.8 million
Strike the Blood: 1.3 million
Golden Time: 1.07 million
Black Bullet: 500,000
>Strike the Blood
Really? I like it but it didn't seem like an all time highest seller. It's also surprising Black Bullet could make this kind of list with just 500,000.
Kino's Journey is the only good thing on that list.
Maou and Durarara are decent
MF Bunko J is better.
Look at dat shit taste.
>SAO's strong but I guess it's still not enough to take down Index.
>Of course, Index does have way more volumes.
>Still, to think it would come this far...
>As expected, at this rate, will SAO be able to surpass Index after all?
>SAO's probably gonna end soon so it's probably impossible for it to surpass Index.
Wait, SAO's gonna end soon?
i bet you think oreimo is good, nerd
Index will fall soon.
And posting this autistic SAOfan picture will just raise the rage in you.
I find the average per volume far more interesting.
Kino's Journey: 461k
Accel World: 237k
I take it this a term actually used in the series? What's a beater, besides an easy masturbation joke?
>Accel World: 3.8 million
season 2 never
Someone who played the beta of SAO and thus has more knowledge than the rest.
Apparently, knowing that and not telling anyone is considered cheating.
As stupid as it sounds.
SAO is in its final arc of the series right now; however, it's still a long ways off from actually finishing the arc.
Index literally shits on everything
>strike the blood
It's a long-runner that releases a volume at least twice a year without fail.
Of course it's gonna win. No other Dengeki series has that kind of update speed.
I need that copypasta of the things that we will never see animated
I wonder if threads like this should be on /biz/ too?
With 33 volumes, it would be really bad if it wasn't doing so. The closest behind it in terms of novels is Shana with like a bit over 25. Then it's Kino's Journey at 17 and SAO/Oreimo/Durarara are at 12-13 each.
Please no, /v/, we don't need this shit argument here as well
Here you go, anon.
>Durarara: 4.7 million
Brain's Base continues to hate money.
If Kino is doing better than fucking Mahouka and Index why the fuck don't we have a second season?
It updates at a snail's pace, that's why.
Even if we did get a season 2, it'd take forever for a season 3 to show up anyway.
There's more factors to an anime adaptation than LN sales.
Aren't most of them just advertising for a series that's been popular enough and long running enough to warrant that kind of investment?
I don't really know but I would assume anime adaptions are for series they feel had the potential grow more from the anime.
They probably don't see Kino no Tabi to really spike up in sales because of an anime adaptation.
I would love a second season but it's been over 10 years since the first season came out.
Is anyone else continually impressed with Japan's shitty taste? I mean every time I think it can't get any worse they find a way to top my expectations
How do these totals match up with other LN publishing companies?
I know that Kadokawa has some huge numbers with the Haruhi Suzumiya series and Horizon sells really well under the Ascii Media Works label.
Not even close. I wouldn't even line a catbox with that shit.
Man I want to see the follow-up review.
Surprisingly good taste.
>Rokyu-bu: 2.17 million
It's this popular? Man, I need to get into this franchise.
>To Aru Majutsu no Index: 14.8 million
>Sword Art Online: 8.7 million
>Shakugan no Shana: 8.6 million
>Kino's Journey: 7.85 million
>Oreimo: 5 million
>Durarara: 4.7 million
>Accel World: 3.8 million
>Mahouka: 3.15 million
>Rokyu-bu: 2.17 million
>Sakurasou: 1.8 million
>Hataraku Maou-sama: 1.8 million
>Strike the Blood: 1.3 million
>Golden Time: 1.07 million
>Black Bullet: 500,000
>MFW I'm into all of these series and read/watch them.
Where the fuck is Toradora?
Dead and irrelevant.
>To Aru Majutsu no Index: 14.8 million
I guess I'll be waiting a long time for a next season
That image still makes me sick.
>The closest behind it in terms of novels is Shana with like a bit over 25.
wait, did Shakugan no Shana continue after the anime? I was really disappointed with season 3
Kamachi must be like a god of wealth for Dengeki's pockets.
the fact that there's still no Index III and the novels sell that well makes me pretty mad
>To those of you who bought one volume at a time, welcome back. To those of you who bought them all at once, welcome.
Does anyone actually buy all the volumes at once?
Amazon always has an option to buy an entire set of a series. It's not that weird, but I personally don't know anyone who does that.
I'm okay with Japan's taste.
>Oreimo, AW, SAO, StB that high
But those are absolute shit. Are Japan's LNs so much drivel that they consider those titles good?
so how is to have a shit and generic taste of a 14 years old?
They're popular. Up to you to decide if they're good once you read them. Watching the anime version isn't a decent substitute for most of them.
>Oreimo, AW, SAO
>Sword Art Online Is the Smartest Anime I've Seen in Years
... I don't even know what to say... Are people really this brain dead these days?
Let's not pretend you have even read all of them, anon.
I read Oreimo.
1 volume in, it was the most blatant self-masturbatory writing for the author.
>Baw everybody thinks Kirino is a bitch
>only me, the unreliable narrator MC sees her differently
>1 volume in
Your opinion has so much weight, anon. And you're totally not biased at all or anything. Nope.
You seem to be new to LN too. And moe...
Granted, I've only read Index, Log Horizon, Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon and DRRR
I have the Suzumiya Haruhi novels in my backlog but I feel lazy reading it
How popular is Baccano?
Popular enough on /a/
Probably not enough cute lolis, incest pandering or self-insert fantasy (barring Rail fucking Tracer) to merit an s2.
Relatively popular but the LN fags didn't like the anime.
Dang, it's pretty much the only LN I regularly read.
I just want to see Maria and Tick animated together. Is that too much to ask?
Truth be told, I liked the first volume.
Because I read too much into it. I mean, yeah, I couldn't have been sane to think a japanese author may be deliberately trying to ridicule incestfags. Later on, each and every of the assumptions that had made the novel good for me turned out wrong.
Sheesh. I don't know why I do this to myself from time to time.
I was honestly hoping it would just be a straightforward comedy where the MC would have to deal with his little sister's bizarre little sister fetish. I found that part pretty amusing.
Everyone one of those you've read is masturbatory writing with maybe the exception of LH. Though it can argued that Shiroe's apparent perfection and cool villain but good guy writing is that as well.
Face it, anon. There's nothing wrong with enjoying that kind of writing. I mean, you're on /a/ of all places. Anime, manga, LN, and VN are made to appeal and be wish-fulfillment because 3D is shitty.
>Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon
I guess if Kawakami gets boners for history, economics, diplomacy and a goofy MC...
Consider this: Hunger Games is popular.
I don't even remember most of it, but yeah. Also, I liked Manami as a cool and balanced character. Of course, everything subverting every possible incest trope out there.
No matter how much I like the ideas in LH, I don't know how much we can consider this "writing", even before we are to speak about "masturbatory".
I do, at least. But yeah, I'd agree that calling Horizon "masturbatory" is a little too far. More like, he just writes whatever he likes... which is more or less the same, but nuancely...
If Kino's so popular, why the fuck isn't she playable in that new fighter and the goddamn Basketball Loli is!?
It's more about Toori's character how despite being such an idiot and and mostly just a person who motivates, the world revolves around him and all his friends see him as something who can do the impossible. But the setting itself is something Kawakami gets off on when he writes it.
Hmm, what is your definition of "masturbatory" writing? I'm simply curious.
Because her only attack is "stand still and shoot people in the face".
And she has no amusing gimmick or theme that could make up for it.
>Reads my little sister can't be this cute
>series with an imouto that plays incest eroge and a siscon aniki
>gets mad when he gets what's advertised
You're seriously retarded. And yeah, one fucking volume out of three series and you're suddenly an expert on all of them completely.
Is it wrong to want something to stay as a straight comedy the whole way through?
I'm not terribly interested in romance dramas.
Are there any recent numbers for other companies? For example, I know Haruhi is over 8mil as well but with no new novels out, I doubt it measures up now.
Well, I was expecting Imouto wa Shishunki or OniiAi, in that incest is played for laughs and not for actual drama.
And the author turning all the side characters up to be subtle manipulative bitches was a big damn mistake.
He was demonizing everyone else, except Kuroneko and Saori, to rationalize why kirino is a bitch.
Everyone's pretty much given up on Haruhi by this point. It's dead. No one really expects anything more out of it. No continuation, no resolution, nothing.
When the author hasn't tossed out a new volume in half a decade, I'd say it's time to throw in the towel and move on.
She will probably get included as a dlc character.
She's a support character.
Expecting anything was a mistake. It always is since it either sets up for massive disappointment or a slight but pleasant surprise. You shouldn't be moved so easily by outside forces.
I do not believe he actually demonized anyone. It's more or less what you'd expect from teenage girls "in love". What it does with every character is set them up to be bitches until you get to know the reasoning for their actions. That includes Kuroneko, Kirino, Manami, Ayase and Kyousuke.
I'm still waiting on mai waifu Fear to be added.
No. It will always be remembered as the series that killed itself in the end.
That series isn't even on this list and I think the anime sold like shit too. She's pretty much fucked.
>Hmm, what is your definition of "masturbatory" writing? I'm simply curious.
Please, don't ask such difficult questions.
Uhm... the difference with "writing whatever you like" would be something about stroking your own ego, maybe?
It was popular but they kinda fucked up the S2 and now it's way over. Maybe better luck with Three Piss.
>killed itself in the end.
Wut. SnS ended on a good note and pretty much ideal for Shana and Yuuji. Being immortal and having untold sex every day in another world where power of existence is limitless, so there's no need to consume humans. But there are still the problem of making Denizens and humans co-exists, and the two are working on that.
I can agree with this but I have to add that the anime killed itself in the middle.
So? We didn't like that.
We just wanted a wacky story about a brother and her siscon sister, that just plainly exists for comedy and for subverting incest tropes. No character development needed or wanted, neither making the characters feel closer to reality. Just one big middle finger at all the people that still keep reading it expecting incest to happen at some point.
*his siscon sister
what the fuck am I writing.
Then in all honesty you shouldn't have made it beyond volume 1 with all that "I want to fuck my sister" comments. And yeah, I don't think you should talk about the LN that you haven't read. The incest sex was implicit.
Oh, these delusions of mine indeed didn't make it beyond volume 1.
After I realized what I am actually reading, I decided to continue, but... well, it stayed trashy from the beginning till the end. It definitely was not worth it, so, in retrospection, I would have enjoyed much more a series that followed my (mis)conception from the first volume.
The problem wasn't the ending but how to plot twist was executed.
It just added shit out of thin air and created characters to fill holes. It was like if the author was directly aiming for the best possible ending, but realized he couldn't achieve it with what he currently had written.
Oh, I was assuming I was speaking to the anon that based the entirety of his opinions of three series on just one volume of one series.
But just out of curiosity, why did you keep on? The series is actually bad if you go in wanting something other than the incest and the comedy. It doesn't make sense for me.
I'll be clear here, I didn't like it until like volume 3 and likely would have dropped it by volume 2 or volume 5 if I hadn't marathon the first 6 volumes. That's from someone who's not retarded to think that it wasn't about incest. I can't imagine what it was like for you.
I had already printed them out. That's all.
It's the shitty first person POV. I can't stand it since most authors are too inept to pull it off correctly.
Well fuck. Know that your misfortune made this anon laugh at least. In my case, I had slow work days, so I was lucky.
this. 1st person perspective ruins the story.
especially if events which the narrator aren't supposed to know just happens to come to his knowledge.
If I'm right by thinking that it's the simplicity of how it's handled, then I actually think of it as an advantage of the medium itself.
Not sure what you mean by that. I know S3 was aimed for LN fans and not anime fans, and I read the summaries/spoilers for LN, so to me, I understood what was going on without difficulty.
I'm actually reading Guin Saga, slowly, in my poor Japanese. While I wouldn't call the writing stellar, it is far better about telling a good story than just about anything Kadokawa shits out.
Like another said, lazy mistakes about information flow become all too apparent. I'm not a litfag, but I do know that the "simplicity" of the medium is just an illusion. Without third person perspective, it becomes very difficult to flesh out other characters and the tendency to keep focus on the MC too much is all too apparent. For most works, it just comes off as masturbation.
Maybe it works if you are a self-insert slut, but it just seems too jarring for me to enjoy. Like the feeling of second-hand embarrassment, I simply can not continue to read poorly-written first person POV.
I liked Haruhi's first person POV.
If it wasn't obvious enough, a lot of people here are judging these LNs by their anime adaptations and acting like they know the source. It seems to me that we're overrun by illiterate Americans. Loud enough to be annoying, pushy enough to be offensive, and with an amazing sense of unwarranted self importance that instills a firm believe that their opinion is worth something. This all happening when they don't even know what they're talking about.
Didn't the author die of terminal cancer?
I'm willing to cut him some slack since he probably wanted to wrap it up fast before he died.
No, japan. I thought we had a deal. A significant dip in Index sales to speed up the possible S3.
Why do I rarely find Kino's journey being talked on /a/?
Nothing to really talk about.
Nothing to speculate. Nothing to really dissect.
A Kino thread would literally be nothing more than "I like it." "Yeah, me too." "I don't like it as much." "It's shit." "Hey, fuck you." "No, fuck YOU." FUCK YOUR SHIT" "FUCK YOUR MOM'S SHIT" "FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
How popular is Zombie Desk Kar?
Yeah, I don't want to get into it too much but I disagree heavily on the simplicity issue. I do agree, however, with the view of it seeming like masturbatory-like. It depends on the series.
SAO/AW is just awful with it and I actually agree with the other anon on Haruhi. That one was good and so was something like Oreimo unless you're a slut. That last one tricks you with that, slaps you multiple times and pisses on you for self-inserting.
I kind of liked how Nasu dealed with it in Kara no Kyoukai, by switching between the perspectives of multiple characters, and then switching to third person during actions scenes.
From the looks of it, it seems like an inherent flaw of anything removed from everyday settings.
That's ZnT's author you're thinking of.
>I really want to live
DxD is Fujimi Shobo.
Haruhi's was not poorly-written. Honestly said, Haruhi deserved all the praise it got, as far as the novels go.
Dengeki Bunko is pretty fun to say
I haven't read it, but I'll take your word for it. I was mostly referring to OreImo and SAO, where it is absolutely shit. Perhaps it is because I don't sympathize one bit with the MC that it aggravates me having the story fed through his filter. It gets tiresome having the same unfunny thoughts and idiotic assumptions being spelled out in black and white. I get it, he's a closet pervert or whatever. He just misunderstood, why does the world hate him? Blah, blah, blah.
I think Haruhi's great because Kyon's such an unreliable narrator. Often, he'll say shit like "Goddamn I'm scared as fuck" in his narrative, but his actual words and actions don't necessarily reflect that.
His narration is colored by his own biases, or he deliberately ignores things that he doesn't want to acknowledge.
Also, one of the more interesting things about Kyon's narration is that you can't always tell if he's merely narrating or actually saying things out loud. Often, one of the other characters will react to something he just narrated. At times, it's obvious that what he thinks and what he says aren't necessarily the same thing, but you don't actually know what he outright says.
It's not even the smartest anime of its year.
Well they're very different from each other in terms of POV use.
Oreimo tries to trick you but also gives you hints in between about what's going on. The guy is an unreliable narrator and normal as all fuck at the start. It's made so that you believe pretty much everything he says, take him as a normal guy, and that leads on a lot of readers to self insert. But then he starts changing, making more idiotic comments, being more assertive at times, alpha comes out, being more perverted and showing an actual personality. One that you may not like but that's different from it being a POV problem. Seems to me that you didn't like the character itself for who he was and wanted a self insert MC judging by your comment about how the series would be better if etc.
As for SAO, that one's just simple and intends for the reader to fully self insert. That's what makes it seem like masturbatory narrative and it really is that.
I don't think he'd like Kyon if he hates Kyousuke. I mean, Kyousuke is a bit of a mixture between Kyon and Clannadman.
I don't think he'd like Kyon if he hates Kyousuke. I mean, Kyousuke's narration is a bit of a mixture between Kyon and Clannadman that goes a bit crazy over time.
Kyon's a more likable character than Kyousuke.
I hated Kyousuke.
Basketball lolis doing work
>such an unreliable narrator
>but his actual words and actions
Gotta love it.
I don't know, I actually really liked Kyousuke. He's the MC people wanted. Alpha and decisive, a bit perverted and not dense, kind but also selfish to some extent and also somewhat sharp etc.
When they got it, the same people bitched about how they could no longer self insert and hated him for that instead. Hated him for something they hate in other characters.
Kino had two sequel movies.
That's more than many shows ever get.
I don't really care about self inserts. I hate Kirito, too.
I honestly didn't like any of the characters in OreImo. None of them are very appealing as people. I found the entire set-up entirely disagreeable, especially how two of the heroines were actively trying to manipulate people for their own ends.
Honestly, if it were me, if I were in Kyousuke's shoes, I don't think I'd have ever been able to forgive either Ayase or Kirino. Kuroneko pretty bad too.
These characters disgust me.
This is why you guys can't enjoy fun
You think it's okay to just manipulate someone into falling in love with you? Toying with their emotions? These characters are all awful people.
Wait, what? I mostly posted the complaints that are posted all the time about MCs and talked about how the character doesn't fall into them exactly yet is still hated for making the wrong choice for self inserts. I'm not against hearing why you think he's a terrible character if you have an actual complaint. I'm actually interested to hear it.
Often such traits are what makes characters interesting. But I bet you hate any character that isn't either a goody two-shoe or a doormat who's all nice and smiles.
Never-mind, thought you hated him. I don't have a major complaints about him. Kyousuke is fine as he is.
I talked about it before but most of them have reasons for doing so.
Yes, Kuroneko was a cunt but at that time she was pretty much screwing her friends over. She made the decision based on that. She never tries to manipulate and hurt them after the event.
Kirino is a bitch, but she was abandoned and treated badly by Kyousuke. She still is early in the series. She eventually abandons her hate for him and hates herself for what she did.
Ayase is a liar but the fact remains that it was her only choice to get by and continue her relationship with her best friend. She did go overboard, though. She also starts to accept her friends and is far more supportive of their hobbies later on.
Manami was also a bitch but the alternative was Kyousuke self destructing. She saved him. As far as we know, she doesn't tell anyone anything and therefore does not retaliate against Kirino or Kyousuke abandoning her hate for both.
This may not be what you wanted but you should have quit before the first volume ended if that was the case. From the start, the drama was there, the incest was there, and the characters were there. All of them in their "ugliest" of forms. It's now evident that the POV wasn't really the problem here but it was just your hate towards this particular series. It's a shame we had to go through it to talk about the medium in general, though. And it's kinda sad that these characters are not even that disgusting. There's a lot worst. I recommend you get a helmet. There's some dangerous, ugly, fictional worlds and characters out there.
>Kara no Kyoukai
Nasu made some interesting choices with that one. If anyone else had written it each case would have gotten at least one whole volume to itself, if not several. Plus Mikiya would actually get some harem shenanigans going instead of them being crazy people trying to kidnap or kill him on the rare occasions he does interact with them.
I wish going outside the conventional like that was more common, although considering he wrote it in the 90's I guess it's older than the framework that something like Strike the Blood builds itself on.
I don't mind if a character's manipulative, but you can't expect me to think any of this is a good thing.
Let's say that there's a story where the protagonist is played up as a hero and the story expects you to side with him because he's the good guy. But his actions are often disagreeable, and you tend to actually gravitate towards the villain, because they actually have a point. Even so, the hero, despite being entirely disagreeable, wins and you're expected to cheer for him. That kind of shit just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It would be one thing if the story had absolutely no illusions concerning the protagonist's "heroism"; if the narrative at least acknowledges that the "hero's" victory may not necessarily be either deserved nor a happy ending, then that's fine. But if it insists that the hero's actions are okay even if I don't think they are, then exactly how am I supposed to feel satisfied with the resolution?
where is my Accel World S2?
Why is she so hot?
wasnt the fucking beta only like 20 floors?
>can't expect me to think any of this is a good thing.
That all depends since the world isn't black and white, anon. The manipulation you see in Oreimo isn't ugly or extreme, so I don't know why you're bothered. There's hypocrisy and contradictions laced Kirino and Kuroneko's love, but despite that, their feelings are pure. Emotions aren't always logical or sometimes even reasonable, but that what makes them humans, as in flawed but beautiful.
>how am I supposed to feel satisfied with the resolution?
I can't answer that for you. It's something you have to decide yourself. But a real hero that's entirely disagreeable is something I can't really see. Are you sure you're not confusing hero to anti-hero?
I want niwaka to leave.
I know next to nothing about SAO but every little tidbit like this I do hear approximately doubles my estimation of how retarded it must be.
the 1st part is kinda enjoyable, if you oversee the hole in the game mechanics, the forced drama, horrible harem attempt and ass pull end,
2nd part is not even worth to be hated, it just a waste of time
You know, people rag on protagonists for being "beta" or not choosing a girl or whatever, but what about the heroines?
Why does no one ever point fingers at the heroines for being a bunch of spineless cowards who are anything but honest? Often, the protagonist isn't even in the wrong. I mean, yeah, if the protagonist is actually attracted to someone and they never make a move, then that can be pretty aggravating, but if they're not actually looking for a girlfriend or are unaware of anyone's attraction towards them, then it's not exactly their fault for not choosing anyone, is it?
It's not just in light novels. Heroines are often rewarded for their dishonesty and roundabout methods, whereas protagonists are blamed and hated for crimes they never committed. It's honestly pretty twisted.
I can sympathize with a heroine if they were honest and actually confessed to the protagonist in a straightforward manner, only to get rejected, but I can't sympathize with them if they fail due to their own inaction.
And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be rewarded for manipulating someone else's feelings either.
How well do Fujimi Shobo light novels sell? I'm interested at how well Tokyo Ravens sells, and if the anime gave it a sales boost.
Just watch it. You'll start off thinking, "This isn't nearly as bad as I was told it would be," and then the train will de-rail. And it'll do it again. Then a few more times. And, when you think, "This cannot possibly get any more retarded," it will go above and beyond your expectations.
the LN itself is flawed, but the anime as adaptation is worst, miss out to many information that makes the series look as stupid as they could make it
Haven't kept up. Is Biblia is still selling 1 million copies per volume?
>people actually think SAO is good
>Two years worth of semen glopped its way into asuna endlessly
If the LN follows the same plot as the anime, then it's much more than just "flawed." Missing information is not the series biggest problem.
I don't think Biblia is actually considered to be a light novel by most sources.
Some 11s liked to put it in the sales charts too when it first came out, so I was confused too
its the anime cause htey decided to use the extra stories in timeline order, which makes the whole series 1st 7-8 eps harem shit.
then they miss information about attacks, and skills, like why kirito's dual weild is special, which makes him seem more op and useless gary.
the series do have some serious flaws and retarded points
a rich oujo girl 1st MMO becomes the 3rd best player over seasoned nerds and gamers whatever.
the whole fucking ark about the retarded AI daughter and decide to save her instead of everyone else in the fucking game.
and this is just part 1
How well do Fujimi Shobo light novels sell? I'm interested at how well Tokyo Ravens sells, and if the anime gave it a sales boost.
Is the rich ojou actually familiar with some form of swordplay?
SAO seems like it would be inherently biased toward people who know how to use swords simply due to the fact that it's a VR.
>Is the rich ojou actually familiar with some form of swordplay?
Well the thing is that it never appears in the Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi! rankings. This just leads me to believe that it's not considered to be a proper light novel by most official sources, otherwise it should be topping all the charts.
Nobody cares about that pretentious garbage anymore.
Haruhi is published under Kadokawa Shoten, not Dengeki Bunko.