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Japanese Animation > Western Animation

American Comic Books > Manga

I think we can all agree on this.
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>American Comic Books > Manga

no
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>>102077896
>Japanese Animation > Western Animation

Given the quality of Disney animated features I can't agree with that notion.
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more like

Japanese animation > Western animation

Manga = European comics = non-cape American comics > Cape comics

Western Live Action > Japanese Live action
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Things I like > Things you like
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>>102077896
You've got it backwards
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Manhwa > American Comic Books > Manga
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my tastes > you're tastes
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>>102077896
You've never read comics have you?
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>>102077896
>Best Donald Ducks > Manga > Shit > American comic books
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>>102078092

I have 40 non-capeshit comics on my monthly pull list
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>>102078084
You're not implying that all taste is equal are you?
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Go home, Grant.

By the way, it's Alfred who pumps the Batmobile's tires.
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>>102078029
I agree with this, since I really enjoy the things I like
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>>102077896
American animation > Japanese animation
Japanese art styles > western art styles
Manhwa > manga > comics
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I don't agree. By the way, that picture isn't Alan Moore.
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>American Comic Books > Manga
No. Just no.

99% of American comic is super hero in spandex. Its pure garbage.
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>>102078165
99% of Japanese entertainment is porn.
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>>102077896
tbh for me it is the opposite.
there are some really good cartoons out there and very good mangas aswell. I am mostly disappointed in comics and animes
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>>102078145

You're right it's Neil Gaiman
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>>102078201
Still better than American comics.
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Manga > western comics > cape comics = manga that the average western manga-fan reads
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>>102078165

99% if Japanese comics is just Shounen battling. It's pure garbage.
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>>102078231
>manga that the average western manga-fan reads
Even that is better than cape comics
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The American comic book industry is not exactly vibrant.
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>>102078262
Actually that's less than a quarter

since shounen mags itself is only a quarter of manga
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>>102078281
Naruto?
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>>102078335
except that
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>>102078385
Naruto is to my knowledge the single most successful manga in the west.
You can expect the others to be of similar kind.
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>>102078422
why does America has such shit taste?
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>>102077896
>implying American Comics are superior to Koe no katachi
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>>102078422
nah

most of the less popular ones are better
except Bleach
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name a better manga than saga you can't
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>>102078503
Dragon Ballz
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>>102078500
Well, it's still pretty much the same shit as DC and Marvel.
Girls read shitty shojo romance, guys read shitty battle shonen.
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>>102078534

my western slutfu > your shit tier moeblob waifu
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Though I disagree with the belief that western animation is better than anime since the former is only kids shows and sitcoms since I'm a mangafag and barely watch anime these days I can't really back it up.

As for manga it's about equal to European and non-cape comics. I could say that battle shounen are of equal to cape comics if not for all the other bullshit cape comics have.
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Carefully drawn comic books and well animated cartoons.>Budget drawn comic books and animated cartoons.>Nostalgia milking bad American comic books.>Shit.>Your waifu.>New Superman comics.>Hitler.>The jewish bankers destroying the world.>EA.>Apple.>Microsoft Internet Explorer.>Dungeon Keeper mobile for handheld wankware.
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>>102078586
>Well, it's still pretty much the same shit as DC and Marvel.
Battle shounens are genetic but they are not canonically convoluted mess that needs several retcons and are written by fanfic authors except Naruto
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>>102078029
Things I like are fucking awesome. Impeccable taste. This guy gets it.
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>>102078684
The difference between non-cape western comics and manga is simply in the variety.
There's pretty every kind of manga imaginable, about every single aspect of life.

Unfortunately barely anything gets past the language barrier. Those manga that do mostly fall into the "same old, same bullshit" criteria.
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>>102078586
Shit > Jump > Marvel > DC
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>>102078740
Fairy Tail is not better than Batman.
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>>102078899
not better than Batman as a character and mythos, as well as his movies and cartoons.

but as a comic series
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Whatever, I don't care about any of that stuff.
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>>102078954
>but as a comic series
No. No. No. NO.
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>>102079029
Any good comics of batman is brought down by the several fanfic-tier ones.

surely these good ones are miles better than fairy fail, but taken as a whole
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The Japanese are better at TV animation.
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>>102077896
>Japanese Animation > Western Animation
I agree with that

>>102077896
>American Comic Books > Manga
Nah. There are truly creative and amazing comic books, but I've seen far too many beautiful manga to just generalize it this way.
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>>102079086
I guess we can agree to that.
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>>102078207
That's Warren Ellis, fool
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>American Comic Books
That's just a rehash of ideas over and over again with retarded heroes letting villains go even when they know that they'll escape and kill even more people.

American comic are retarded.
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Western film > Japanese film, for sure.

OAV/anime movies > western cartoon movies

Manga = comics. Good ones are good, shit ones are shit.
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>>102078897
HxH used to run in Jump.

However, so does Naruto.

I have difficulty giving a single rating to something so diverse.
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>>102079154

>not recognising based Milligan
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>>102079171
Bentham pls.
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>>102079171

Reading the wrong comics, anon. Try Shade : The Changing Man, SCUD, Sandman, etc.

Recommending Batman or Superman to someone to show them what comic books are all about is like recommending Naruto or SnK to someone who wants to get started with manga.
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>>102079171

>all of Manga is Shonen Jump
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>>102079207
>Milligan
>Implying that's not Brian Azzarello
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>tfw no Doom Patrol anime

Even the Morrison stuff seems good for a spinoff:
>"Cliff-san! You can't be living your life like this!"
>"Why not? I can't die even if I were killed!"
>CLANK CLANK CLANK
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manga > anime
anime > comics
comics > western animation.
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>>102079269
Pretty sure that's Lex Luthor.
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>>102079307
/thread
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>>102079269

>not Bendis
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>>102079240
>Recommending Batman or Superman to someone to show them what comic books are all about is like recommending Naruto or SnK to someone who wants to get started with manga.
To be fair, it does depend on which arc you recommend. There are of course some beautiful stories with both characters, but as with most everything else they tend to be outnumbered by the shitty ones
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>>102079313
Superman pls go and stay go
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>>102078122
All tastes are equal, but some tastes are more equal than others.

My tastes, that is
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all bald people look alike.

unless they're also black.
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>>102079351

Some good entry level comics are Sandman, Transmetropolitan, Y The Last Man and Ultimatum
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>>102078040
KOREAN PIGGU DOG I KEEL YOU

>>102078019
this anon understands
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>>102079460
Yeah, they are. That doesn't really have much to do with my post though.
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>>102079530

s-sorry anon
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>>102077896

Japanese storytelling > American storytelling.
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I actually tend to think the other way around.
Western movies > Japanese movies
Also if you consider the shit Disney pulls, I don't think any anime would compare.

Best manga > best comics
Worst comics >>> worst manga
On average, it's pretty much the same.

Also what the fuck is with all these mentions of manhwa. Literally pig disgusting
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>>102079552
I-it's okay, no harm done
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Lowdown so far:

Japanese Animation > Western Animation > American Comic Books > Manga > Japanese animation > Western animation > Manga = European comics = non-cape American comics > Cape comics > Western Live Action > Japanese Live action > Things I like > Things you like > Manhwa > American Comic Books > Manga > Best Donald Ducks > Manga > Shit > American comic books > American animation > Japanese animation
Japanese art styles > western art styles
Manhwa > manga > comics > Manga > western comics > cape comics = manga that the average western manga-fan reads > Carefully drawn comic books and well animated cartoons > Budget drawn comic books and animated cartoons > Nostalgia milking bad American comic books > Shit > Your waif > New Superman comics >Hitler > The jewish bankers destroying the world > EA > Apple > Microsoft Internet Explorer > Dungeon Keeper mobile for handheld wankware > Shit > Jump > Marvel > DC > manga > anime > anime > comics > comics > western animation > Japanese storytelling > American storytelling > Western movies > Japanese movies > Best manga > best comics > Worst comics >>> worst manga
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>>102079647
>Manhwa > manga
No, just no.
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>>102079348
Is that Daiz?
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>>102078004
Storytelling > Artstyle.
And Princess in trouble is probably the laziest story ever written.
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>>102077896
wrong board
>>>/co/
also
>American Comic Books > Manga
>>>/co/
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Hah.

The american comic book industry is worth 300K, the japanese comic book industry is worth $6mil.

For every good comic you find me I can find 10 better manga.

Do they still make those shitty cape shit comics from 1950, where all the fighting consists of guys posing like still statues? Even the worst battle shounen manga are better than that trite.

Also, comics are infested by tumblr landwhales anyway, so it's not like the medium has the freedom to do whatever it wants. Therefore, it's a shit medium.
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To everyone saying Disney; that shit's all 3D CGI now. And the old stuff is just rotoscoped. You're also comparing a huge company that spends years and hundreds of millions on a single film to shows that are completed in a week by small companies on a budget.
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>>102079793
>good comic
These exist? Years ago I tried to find something good or interesting but I didn't find anything.
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Western panel layouts > Japanese panel layouts

http://thecomicbookreader.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/flash-multipage.jpg
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>>102078470
where are the new translations?
all ive got is up to 16 on mangatrader
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>>102079574
Wait 'til the Koreans pull a Gagnam Style and watch Manhwa blast into the stratosphere, once again making Japan look like a joke.
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>>102079793
Idiot. the Japanese manga industry is worth $6 BILLION dollars, not million. The western comic book industry is worth $300 million.
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>>102079919
Does that include anime and film adaptations respectively?
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>>102079793
>The american comic book industry is worth 300K

How could you even type that and think it makes sense? If they hired 10 people that'd be the entirety of that money spent.
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>>102077896
I think it's goofy to paint with broad strokes like that. There are works from all over the world that can be enjoyed. I won't avoid something just because of its country of origin. If it's good, then it's good. If it's shit, then it's shit.

Judge a work on its own merits rather than its country of origin. This is the essence of good taste.
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>>102078019
I don't fully agree subjectively, as I'd put manga as best and a few more ">" between the others and cape shit, but objectively I'd have to agree for now. European comics aren't something I'm familiar with.
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>>102080020
you haven't been around much, have you?
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>>102079968
Comic book adaptations is pretty much the bread and butter of Hollywood these days so I'd guess not.
It's not hard to imagine that the Japanese manga industry is bigger, it's mainstream entertainment.
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>>102080089
Quite the opposite. The more you see, the more you realize the importance of being able to judge a work on its own merits.
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>>102077896
>American Comic Books > Manga
HAHAHAHA
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>>102079184
I can drink to that
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>>102078130
>Manhwa > manga > comics
Am I being baited
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Remember when western animation was good?
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American Comic Books > Manga
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>>102079897
That looks terrible
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Bob's Burgers is pretty much the highest achievement of the American animation industry.
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Manga and Western comics have very different online circumstances and communities. Manga is largely consumed easily through the internet illegally. Comics are fucking rented online by normal people who think they are above copyright infringement.

It's difficult to get into one if you're already in the other.
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>>102080312
Yes. Frozen, Lego The Movie, Ernest and Celestine... so this year?
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So which country produces the best pornographic comics?
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>>102080397
In the west that's true for manga. In Japan people buy magazines and tanks. Just look at the sales figures.
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>>102080424
>Frozen and Legos

Isn't 4chan a little too old for you?
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>>102080354
Sure it does.
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>>102080424
Why would you make a Lego movie?
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>American Comic Books > Manga

I love western comics, especially Morrison, but no. Urasawa, Berserk, Taiyo Matsumoto, Nausica and so many more stand equal to the absolute best of western comics.
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>>102080456
Definitely japan.
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>>102080397
Where I live there is a thriving manga market.
No, it's not Japan.
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>>102077896
Don't mind me! Just outselling the entire combined western comics industry's yearly sales with a single volume on a regular basis.

have fun piddling around with your reboots and crossover events, though!
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>>102077896
I don't care about superheros.

So manga > comics
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>>102080480
>>102080496

I haven't seen the Lego movie but critics and audiences love it. Frozen was written in the 40's or something so it has an old Disney charm.
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>>102080634
Haven't seen Frozen, but I can confirm that the Lego movie is a once in a lifetime technical achievement
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>>102080496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYs_GCy9PRk
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>>102080577

>$1,518,594,910
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Euro comics>Manga>American comics>Shitstained toilerpaper>Capeshit
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>>102077896
>American Comic Books > Manga
The only thing american comic books have on manga is full color. Comics are a dead medium.
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Mango outsells western comics
Mango has higher concept stories than western comics
If you care about that sort of thing Mango has better female representation than western comics.
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>>102080761
>Comics are a dead medium.
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Yes, because no one in this tread will be biased at all.
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>>102080480
These films are better than any anime from 2013.

Limiting yourself to anime is pretty foolish. Especially if we talk about TV anime which is usually of pretty low quality.
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>>102080739
>L-look guys! We sold 200,000 issues of our super overhyped mega, yearly super event!
>Looks guys! We sold 2 million copies of a comic people already paid for and read months ago!
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>>102078741
What if my waifu is Kiriha
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>>102080834
Sure because rebooting the same franchises every two year is not being dead. It's sad really.
It's not like it has to be like that either, look at how popular webcomics have become these days.
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>>102080961
>Slapstick musical
>Better than any anime from 2013
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>>102081020

>l-look guys our film grossed $50 million at the Japanese box office
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>>102080961
2013 wasn't a particularly good year for anime tho.
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>>102081121
It's not slapstick musical. And most anime have virtually nothing to offer as they are usually just repetitive stories for teenagers.
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>>102081164
True. But I don't think that many TV anime can even compare with big budget animations from the West.
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>>102081111
Let me put it in terms you understand.
Yes, comics are a medium
And manga are comics. Japanese comics.
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>>102081144
The comic industry doesn't even see a shred of the profits from the movies anyways. Not the mention that the movies have barely had an impact on comic sales at all, meaning that all the promotion and profit is merely going back into making more movies and selling more tickets while the american pigdog comic author slaves away, desperately trying to stay relevant.
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>>102079240
Naruto and SNK are self-contained stories whereas Superman and Batman have been running since the 1930's and incorporate a vast multi-verse of heroes and villains.
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>>102079857
truth.
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>>102080496
why not?
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>>102081283
>comics
>america
>relevant

haw-haw. The most culturally-relevant comics in the US are by Europeans and Nips.
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>>102081226
No. Just no. Maybe 2013 but no.
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>>102081174
Fine, 2-hour commercial to make you buy more interconnecting blocks.
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>>102080464
It's also cheaper there. And if you do want to pay for manga in the west you have to wait months or years for shit that's already scanlated.
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>>102081230
You know full well what I'm referring to, stop being an austist.
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>>102081730
When you say comics as a medium are dead, you are plain wrong.
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>>102077896
>american comic books
You mean bland and shitty art style with boring stories where every single protag is a hero with superpowers?

>>102079900
Up to 25 on mangawindow
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>>102081582
A single franchise should not have a multiverse.
This is why cape comics have such fucking retarded continuity.
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Japanese drawn pornography > western drawn pornography

I think we can all agree on this.
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>>102081283
HA! Just like the anime series has no impact on sales of the manga it is based off of?

Not sure if stupid or deliberately ignoring things because of personal bias
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>>102081808
The multiverse is no different than doujinshi. Alternative stories not cannon to the original. But I forgot, that's Glorious Nippon so it doesn't count
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>>102081762
Ok, maybe dead is not the word as much as stale or stagnant.
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>>102081689
No because of what? It's true. They are better looking and often have a better story.

Even mediocre Disney films are far better than your generic harems.
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>>102081830
Not sure if bait or just utterly retarded.
Anime and Manga aren't the same as American Cape Comics and giant hollywood blockbuster movies. the industries behind each one are practically incomparable.
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>>102081912
except doujin are fucking porn, not about rebooting franchises that have been destroyed by terrible writing.
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>>102081912
>authorized official material being published by a company and sold normally to consumers is the same as unauthorized fan works printed by the artist and sold at comiket
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>>102081979
>except doujin are fucking porn
That is a misconception.
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>>102081979
>doujin are fucking porn

My little anon cant possibly be this retarded
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>>102081912
It is different when a character goes from one universe to another which is the start of a company wide reboot for all franchises involved and even adds characters that had their own separate universe.

You're trying too hard to save face.
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>>102081941
Might be better they're more niche than PnP rpgs or tabletop wargames.

They're that fucking irrelevant to common culture.
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>>102081979
>doujin are fucking porn
No, they aren't.
It's just the scanlations we get are mostly porn.
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>>102081979
There are plenty that aren't porn, just nobody cares enough to scan them because they aren't porn.
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>>102082018
>>102082025
>>102082037
Most are shitty fanfictions, often pornographic. Better?
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>>102082018
>>102082025
>>102082037
>>102082061
>muh pendantry

The point still stands.
>>102081998
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>>102082061
Doujin are not even limited to comics.
There are also doujin games and doujin music for example.
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>>102080739
>345 million volumes
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>>102082110
>pissfags
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>>102081963
Because you are part of the Western Comic community and know exactly how it reacted to the influx of Marvel movies?

I bet you google quantum mechanics and argue physics on /b/ don't you? Why don't you shut the fuck up about shit you know nothing about?
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>>102082085
>shitty
Not a real criteria.
>fanfictions
Often, yes.
>pornographic
Sometimes, okay.
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>>102082094
>oh wait someone pointed out that these things are entirely different in multiple ways, better dismiss it out of hand and whine about "pedantry" because I don't have a single actual argument
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>>102081944
All western cartoons are CGI crap. That's enough to consider them inferior.
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>>102081762
He's probably referring to western cape comics.
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>>102082096
No shit. There are also lots of doujinshi that are entirely original works not based on some existing franchise.
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>>102082159
Yeah I know.
But cape comic is not a medium, and he didn't even say "cape".
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>>102082142
u mad.
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>>102082094
If you want to compare doujins to something compare it to the faggots writing fanfiction for comics and posting it on the internet, because then at least you'd be making a valid comparison.
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>>102082141
>sometimes
No, it depends of a series. Huge popular franchises have plenty of non-h doujinshi, but smaller works usually are full of porn and nothing else.

>not a real criteria
They are crappy, short "parodies" or just shitty porn. There. Very few doujinshi are worth anything. Even less are comparable to good manga.
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Western animation > Jap animation

Jap artstyle > Western

Jap storytelling > Western

Manga > Comics
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>>102082236
He's saying you can't compare them, I believe.
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>>102082198
>what is context? I'm too autistic to understand.
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>>102082267
>Jap storytelling > Western
Hahaha, no, just no.
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>>102078102
Best taste
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>>102082236
That's a completely fair comparison. I'm not sure why you felt the need to say it in reply to that though.

Someone claimed the 'multiverse' shit that cape comics do is analogous to doujinshi. Obviously that's bullshit.
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>>102080741
Go home Yuropoor.
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>>102082306
Someone really enjoys their generic slapstick comedy.
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>>102082265
Most doujinshi have no porn at all.
It's just that they are completely uninteresting to the scanlators.
>They are crappy,
Sturgeon's revelation.
>"parodies" or just shitty porn
Or completely original.
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>>102082198
It's pretty much implied though.

In any case, comics are indeed far from being a dead medium.
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>>102082283
>I'm too embarrassed to admit that I made a mistake, so I must insult the person who pointed it out
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>>102080739
Wait, so a single volume of One Piece can buy out the entirety of the western comicbook industry? Fucking lol.
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>>102082455
I'm not even the faggot that posted that, just pointing out it's obvious what he meant unless you're an autist.
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>>102082411
>most
You mean like 55%? Because almost half of doujinshi are pornographic.

>Or completely original.
And still rather bad.
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Why is it OK to compare west cartoons/comics to anime when the entirety of /a/ flips its shit when someone compares anime to cartoons? Enjoying your double standard?
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>>102082494
>Because almost half of doujinshi are pornographic.
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>Anna’s eyes were wide with fear. She struggled against the icy bonds encircling her wrists, feeling her fingers going numb from the cold and the lack of blood flowing to them. “Elsa,” she pleaded, “please let me go! Don’t do this to me!”
Our communities aren't that different after all.
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>>102082132
Only newfags hate One Piece

Confirmed for not having read one of the greatest Shounen manga of all time.
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>>102082536
>Double standard

Tumblrshit plz return to >>>/co/
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good comics, manga, cartoons and anime > bad comics, manga, cartoons and anime
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>>102082464
I see pissfags are being more retarded than usual today
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>>102082573
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman
I like OP but this is stupid.
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>>102082494
That would be most, anon.
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>>102082583
>"don't tell me how much of a retarded hypocrite I am lalalal not listening not listening"
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>>102082573
It seems you haven't been here around 2008-2009.
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>>102082590
You take that back, you son of a bitch.
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>>102082627
Yes, but barely. It's not like 10% is porn or something. Half of the Comiket is basically porn.
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>>102082648
Who are you quoting?
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>>102082134
Yeah, but this isn't some shadowy secret industry, nor is it a highly specialized and complex science. The sales numbers are really easy to look up and they all paint a very obvious picture: Issue 1 of something new sells really well, then declines from there for subsequent issues.
http://www.comichron.com/

You can even check the month that Avengers wa released and see how it made no discernable impact on the sales of the, at the time, on-going Avengers vs X-Men crossover event, which was only moving around 150k books as the #1 best seller.

You'd think that 1.5 billion dollar box office would have an affect on that shit, wouldn't you?

Even the best selling comic of the year for 2012, the Walking Dead #100, only moved 300k books.

You know how many books One Piece moved in 2012? 23 Million.

Suck it western comic industry.
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>>102082563
What are you talking about?
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I like comics and manga more than cartoons and anime.
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>>102082756
It's from Frozen fanfiction. There are many like this one.
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Cartoons >> Comics

Manga >> Anime
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>>102082752
I'll never understand people who prise sales and inter-company bullshit over actually caring about the comics and manga.

You know the amount of issues or volumes sold is not indicative of quality right?
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>>102082846
Obviously there are.
The western fanfiction scene is enormous.
While they don't draw a whole lot, these girls keep writing lemon upon lemon.
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>>102078102
I remember that comic.
Wasn't it drawn by japanese guys btw?
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Films > Novels > American TV series > Movies > cartoons > Manga > comics > Anime

Not even trolling.

After witnessing such spectacular writing in films, I don't think I can go back to anime and manga.
V for vendetta and The sandman shit on every anime out there.
Not even Lotgh or Crest of the stars can compete.
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>>102082927
>You know the amount of issues or volumes sold is not indicative of quality right?
It is indicative of whether it continues to be published and whether a publisher will take a chance on similar works in the future, though.
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>>102082752
>150k books as the #1 best seller.

Holy shit, even niche manga does that much.
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>>102083053
>Films > Movies

So pretentious you shit fedoras.
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>>102083053
>American TV series > Movies > cartoons > Manga


>American TV series
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>>102082927
If a comic were good, it would attract more of an audience, which would mean more sales, which means more success for the creators, allowing more issues to be made. Same thing goes for manga. If it is unpopular and selling poorly, it might get canceled or cut short.

Not selling well doesn't automatically mean a comic is bad. It might just mean it wasn't advertised properly or given enough exposure or shelf space, but you're not wrong. Not selling doesn't mean it's not good either.
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>>102083179
>fedora
Post invalidated.
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>>102083053
>Films
>Movies

I don't get it.
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>>102083184
What, you don't like watching shows drag themselves out until they suck and are canceled?
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>>102083053
If I had the same rose colored glasses you had every generic harem would be Bakemonogatari.
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>>102083209
Good things don't attract big audience. Independent productions are usually the best.
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>>102083209
Big names attract sales.
When in doubt, go with what you know.

It's why the industry is scared of piracy. Piracy undermines this rule.
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Is there any competition as to who makes the best Comics?
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>>102083053
How the actual fuck can you call call cartoons better than manga?

Either you're really clueless and unfamiliar with the medium and have read/are reading less than 50 manga or you're just a retard.
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>>102083231
Apparently films are works of art and movies are commercialized works for the lowest common denominator. It's just a /tv/ meme or something.
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>>102083385
Good thing there's only films in German, then.
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>>102083385
Oh, so he's from /tv/.
Explains all his tardiness.

Hey faggot, rate me:
Hunt for Red October, Road to Perdition, The name of Rose, Leon The Professional, Le Samourai, Starship Troopers. These are my favorites on the top of my mind and I've seen manga being way better written than these.
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>>102083458
not him but
>hunt for red october
Fuckign 10/10 my nigga
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>>102077896
Western animated films (I am referring solely to Disney, most else is shit, but Disney is enough to carry it on its own) > Eastern animated films

Anime series > Western cartoons

Manga > Western comics (Really not a comic guy, could never get into it)
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>>102083458
>Starship Troopers.
Oh come on that was one big joke.
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>>102083297
Not necessarily.. Niche things are good to niche audiences because the more specified and less broadly appealing subject matter means that the smaller audience can enjoy it more.

Porn about your exact fetishes is far better for you than it would be for someone who only shares one of the fetishes in said hypothetical porn.

Things with wider appeal sell better and therefore 'succeed' more because they make more money by exploiting a wider general audience. If you measure success as a matter of making money, then things that sell a lot are better.

However, the only thing that really matters is whether or not you enjoy it, because fuck what everyone else thinks. It's what you think that should matter to you.
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>>102083527
Naturally. I've seen better parodies and stuff that makes fun of X in the manga medium.
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>>102083527
yes and?
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>>102079793
>the japanese comic book industry is worth $6mil

Many people are wrong in this thread, but you may be the wrongest.
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>>102083540
Don't compare serious art to porn. Niche things are good for people interested in the medium because they are usually quite unique and creative.
Mainstream needs to appeal to a wider audience. Usually just casuals who aren't exactly interested in animation or film.

>>102083458
Really mainstream.
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>>102083700
>Really mainstream.
Are you one of those hipsters who only watch 50s-70s movies and believe that those are actually the only well written by any chance?
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>>102083496
It's not even comparable.
>Western - all Western countries (Europe, America, Australia)
>Anime - Japan
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>>102083496
>I am referring solely to Disney, most else is shit, but Disney is enough to carry it on its own

I will never understand these faggots. Sure, they put out some great stuff, but not only do they no longer do 2D animation, but they never put out a really diverse body of work.
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>>102083779
Not him but those movies are main stream.
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>>102083184

Breaking bad, A game of thrones, Dexter, Bsg, Boardwalk empire, Homeland, The niggerwire, desperate housewives > All of anime
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>>102083799
When people say Western they just mean America's shit.
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>>102083700
>It's better because it's not like other things!
Yeah.. I'm not really going to put any value into your opinions.
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Anything Japan do > Anything white piggus do
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>>102083846
Thanks, I needed a laugh.
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>>102083846
>AGoT
>Breaking Bad
>Dexter
>Fucking Dexter
>Desperate Housewives after the first season
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>>102083846
>GoT
>not fucking shit
>Breaking Bad
>not fedora tier
>The Wire

I won't even bother with the rest
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Rate my fav TV show
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>>102083843
Not saying they aren't, but he replied to me in such a manner as if that's supposed to be a bad thing
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>>102083872
It's better because it doesn't cater to casuals.
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>>102079891
There are, but /co/ never discuss over them.
Try metabaron for starters.
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>>102083846
>Dexter
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Which comic book series would you like to see adapted into an anime, and by which studio?

Pic related, Either by Trigger or Shaft
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Gilmore Girls is the best cute SoL show ever, prove me wrong.
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>>102078019
I can completely agree with this
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>>102083952
10/10
Season X wasn't as good as I hoped it would be though.
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>>102083799
Japan is a center of entertainment and culture. And they produce a lot of it. And an astonishing amount of it isn't bad. That's why this whole animu culture exists, right?

Not to say Europe or America aren't centers of entertainment, but it's broken down into more niches, and if you ask me, a larger percent of it is shit. What's good is good and all that, but, seriously, a handful of films yearly are worth watching.
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>>102083952
good taste

Sadly it went to shit at the end.
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>>102084089
>>102084103

yeah, but the first 4-5 seasons remain the best things ever put on television
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>American Comic Books > Manga
I would have agreed if they stopped reviving characters
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>>102084095
>Japan is a center of entertainment
yes
>and culture
no
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>>102084047
>self-insert and sameface the comic
Fuck no.
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Western animation = Pretends to be for kids, is actually for stoners
Japanese animation = Pretends to be for kids, is actually for virgins
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>>102077896
you forgot about european comics
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>2014
>reading western comics
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>>102083832
Just as I don't understand you people who bash 3D just on the fact that it's 3D. I prefer traditional animation too, but 3D isn't bad. Did you see Frozen? It's fucking beautiful! Literally my first impression seeing that film was "this looks absolutely gorgeous".
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>>102084211
Frozen looked pretty bad.
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>>102084095
>Japan is a center of entertainment and culture
What? Nonsense. You're just incredibly biased.
>And an astonishing amount of it isn't bad.
Yes, like 1% maybe. And even most AOTY are barely like 7/10 films.
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>>102084142
Entertainment is culture. Do you even know what you're talking about?
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>>102084142
Well, I suppose. It certainly used to be, around the eighties. But no, after all of the economic troubles, it's pretty tough to call it a center of culture.
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>>102084142
entertainment = pop culture = culture
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Chinks can only reproduce, only the white man is able to truly create things.
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>>102083385
more like Hollywood is LCD while everything outside is art
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>>102084047
Unsounded by Madhouse
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>>102084265
Compared to what? Did you even see it?
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>The West hasn't ever produced a fighting/boxing comics/movie/TV series as good as AnJ and never will

Sucks to be them
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>>102084317
next you'll say America has culture
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>>102083053
>not even trolling

Nice try ruseman.
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>>102084371
>Expecting anything from the inferior white race
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>>102084385
Not all culture has to be good, anon.
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>>102084353
Compared to budget and time invested in it
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>>102084385
American culture = global culture.
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>>102084443
I don't see why that matters, it's still beautiful. They could have been working on it for the last three centuries and it wouldn't invalidate the fact that it's one of the best-looking animated films pretty much ever.
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>>102079206
>HxH used to run in Jump.
>used to
It still does, when it's not on hiatus.
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>>102084544
It was beautiful, aside from the soundtrack. I've never been much for pop ballads.
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Japanese animation > Western Animation

Japanese storytelling = Western storytelling(they both can get really good and really bad, one never regularly outshines the other)

Non-cape comics > manga >>>>>>>> cape comics > otaku moeshit

Japanese waifus >>>>>>>>>> Western waifus
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>>102084451
you're welcome, globe
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>>102084575
>HxH
>not always on hiatus

Have I wandered into bizarro /a/?
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Anime is a dying
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>>102084614
>cape comics > otaku moeshit

Would rather read moeshit than another issue of the infallible batman and his amazing plotarmor.
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>>102080424
>Yes. Frozen
/u/ pls
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Why can't japs into sarcasm?
Why do their comedies rely entirely on slapstick humor?
Why does Desperate Housewives have such clever dialogue?
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>>102084607
>Aside from the soundtrack
STOPPED READING THERE

About half of it was pop, which was sorta meh, but not awful, but the other half (Do You Want to Build a Snowman, Let it Go, For the First Time in Forever and its reprise which was quite different) were more a Broadway style, which I'm just gay for. I mean, it all just comes down to preference, but I guess that's this thread in a nutshell.
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>>102084692
western comics is developed terminal cancer.
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>>102084692
American animation is dead
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>>102084791
I enjoyed Frozen, just not the soundtrack.
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>>102084614
>Non-cape comics = manga

fixed

otherwise I agree
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>>102080480
he says on a chinese cartoon board

>not being in college and taking kawaii girls to see animated movies
>inb4 3DPD
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>>102084791
>more a Broadway style, which I'm just gay for
Yes. You are, in fact, quite gay.
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/co/fags really are insecure faggots.
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>>102084692
>More anime being created now than ever
>Anime is dying

MAL plz stop with this argument. Se already know you're such a 90s kid.
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>>102078019
This.

I love European comics almost as much as manga. They always have a such amazing insights into human nature and great humour.

American comics are generally terrible. Particularly nowadays with their tendency to cram as many progressive, post modern homilies and platitudes as possible into the stories. Americans have always been fundamentalists and demagogues of one stripe or another. Lately an aggressively secular, third-wave feminist, neo-leftish cult has been ideologically dominating almost all their forms of media, including comics. It's a bigger cancer than the comics code ever was.

But caped comics have always been shit anyway.
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>>102084544
>I don't see why that matters
Everything can be pretty if you invest enough money into it.
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>>102084278
Most film of the year are 7/10 film too.
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>>102085030
Most anime is really bad. This year looks interesting, though.
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I'll never understand why people always fall for this bait, /a/ will always think anime and manga are best whilst /co/ will always think otherwise.


The few sane ones who enjoy both will always be the minority, and drowned out by the butthurt on /a/ and /co/
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>>102083053
>v for vendetta
You giant pleb.
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>>102085063
>Cape comics
>Shit

Wat
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Comics are more akin to anime in terms of being very niche.

They're also more akin to doujins, because they're essentially all fanfiction about the writer's favorite superhero.
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>>102085063
>Lately an aggressively secular, third-wave feminist, neo-leftish cult has been ideologically dominating almost all their forms of media
Except film. I don't know shit about comics, but I know plenty about film and you're wrong.
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>>102085210
Let the MRAs have their misogynist fantasies.
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Japan wins everything.

Yasujiro Ozu > all other film directors too.
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>>102085063

This.
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>>102085210
he's a eurofag and sounds like possibly a christfag who cares
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>>102085063
>this entire post
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America can do TV series well, what is even comparable for japan?
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>>102085063
> Lately an aggressively secular, third-wave feminist, neo-leftish cult has been ideologically dominating almost all their forms of media, including comics.

Can you list all the propaganda in the top selling comics right now?
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>>102085298
America is shit at tv series though.
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ITT Extreme generalizations about things people never liked to begin with vs. butthurt at the fact that someone does not like the thing you really like.
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>>102085079
When you're comparing animation in the aesthetics department, I just don't understand why the budget is relevant. I think one thing looks better than another, so I think it's visually better. I suppose there's a level of appreciation for something that looks as or almost as good but with a smaller budget, but that's just not what I'm talking about. Something looks good, simple as that. That's just me. Maybe I'm in the dark here.
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>>102085063
I agreed with you until the /pol/ part
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>>102084984
>3DPD
If I wanted to watch cartoons with her I'd stay home.
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>>102084789
>Why can't japs into sarcasm?

Why is there sarcasm in japanese media then?
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>>102085298
The majority sure but then you get stuff like sopranos before the writers strike and that awful ending.
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Morrison > Moore
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>>102085281
Bergman would kick his ass. There should be an anime about famous auteur directors as cute girls.
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>>102085063
>Complaining about strong women in fiction.

To be honest, this is something I'd love to see more from from the west.
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>>102084789
>Why does Desperate Housewives have such clever dialogue?
Because everyone's constantly and impossibly clever 24/7 in american comedy.
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Japanese game shows > Western game shows
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>>102085703
>game shows
>>
Anime > French Anime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cartoons
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>>102085650
Americans are scared of the idea of intelligence, but they love being witty.
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>>102085849
>French Anime
>e
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>>102085849
russian animation > your shit
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Without comics, we wouldn't have Hal Jordan.
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>>102085902
SHAFT = Russian animation.
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>>102085977
Nah.
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>>102085610
Everyone would kick Ozus ass, he was beta as fuck.
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>>102085908
What the hell kind of answer is that?

Do you do that?
When people introduce themselves to you, you ask them who the hell they are?

That's kind of rude. The guy in green is a meany.
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>>102086001
>Ozu remained single throughout his life and lived with his mother until she died, less than two years before his own death.
True.
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>>102085610
Tarkovsky best girl
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Manga? More like Man-Gay.
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>>102086223
Did it work?
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>>102085997
>Paper cutouts
>Unmoving patterns
>Surrealism
>Slideshows

Shaft confirmed for soviet aesthetic.
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>>102086357
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkV-5pmSHag

Fucking Shaft.
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>>102084349
My nigga. Unsounded would be amazing animated.
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I can't get into comics at all. I love manga, but comics..

The art in most of them puts me off, it seems somewhat.. soulless? Maybe I'm just not reading the right comics, but I've yet to find one that's any good compared to my favorite manga. Sometimes I'll see people post these neat one pages.. just to be dissapointed by the actual thing. Almost never the case for manga.

There's just way too much of that super hero shit. Manga has that type of thing, but not on a level where it encompasses 90% of what gets produced. There's incredibly variety to the themes and topics in manga.

And manwha.. dont bring that up. Most manwha is just sloppy in both art and story. Plus you have to read those stupid korean names.

>>102085849
>French Anime
Don't they have like, 2 or 3 shows?
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>>102086223
So how is that supposed to work? Used manga for cape comic? Buy a new cheap manga volume for cape comic?
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>>102077896
Give me your /co/mic alternatives to YKK and Aria.

Actual points if the author is born and raised in the US or Canada.



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