BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- Germany's highest court has upheld a law that makes incest a criminal offense, rejecting an appeal by a man who was given a prison sentence after fathering four children with his sister.
The Federal Constitutional Court said Thursday it has ruled that the state is within its rights to cite "the protection of family order against the damaging effects of incest ... and the avoidance of serious genetic illnesses" in outlawing incest.
The ruling followed a complaint by a 31-year-old from eastern Germany, who has been identified only as Patrick S. He received a 2 1/2 year prison sentence for incest in 2005 but has been free pending the supreme court ruling.
His sister, Susan K., who is now in her early 20s, was placed under the supervision of social services.
The man had been given up for adoption at age 4 and met his birth-mother for the first time in 2000, at which point he also first met his sister. The couple then had four children.
The man's lawyer has argued that there is no reason why two people who love each other should not be allowed to live together purely because they are siblings.
However, the constitutional court ruled that sexual relations between siblings "do not affect them exclusively, but also can have an effect on family and society, and have consequences for children who arise from the relationship."
The court said one of the judges who considered the case dissented in the February 26 ruling, arguing that the ban was disproportionate.
nothing to do with anime or manga
But very much to do with /a/non's interests.
And the man, but not the woman, was arrested... Why?
real life incest is sick
HAHA OH WOW,
Do you know it, Germany?
I never got how the streets can smell like mold, while "the whole Place" smelled like alcohol
And putting daddy in jail sure helps matters.
Did you even read the article? I don't think you did because you totally contradicted its meaning with your "HAHA OH WOW/GERMANY?" remarks.
I miss old /n/
HITLER LIVES AGAIN!
Why must Germany fail so?
They've just gone downhill since ridding the world of those six-million odd jews.
Backwards ass thinking, holy fuck.
What's wrong with the world? Homosexuality is on the road to being A-OK but incest is still PIG DISGUSTING.
I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT I DIDNT
Not that much, it's better than Japan the last time I visited it. Fuck, it's even better than Canada and America.
And Getting rid of 6 million Jews is a bad thing?
Half the world has a double-digit IQ, but is still allowed to vote.
It feels like it was recent that sex was just for married people. Now it is something you do for pleasure. So I'd guess incest soon will just be a family activity that just requires some pills and rubber.
>>10206999And Getting rid of 6 million Jews is a bad thing?
Re-read my post.
too lazy, can you explain to me in five words or less?
Jew killing gud hurr
Because womman can't control her urges and is force by man.
Seriously, I have no idea. I guess it's because one is a woman and one is a man, and men are much easier to blame and incarcerate.
Old news is old. I've heard about this about three weeks ago.
this turned me on..
wow he was getting good with a 15 year old girl
as a 25~26 haha
It's totally understandable to uphold the law. But I can't help but feeling sorry for the couple. Maybe the punishment could have been mitigated because they'd been apart since her birth and love each other.
Well Germany and eugenics goes hand in hand
If people would just embrace incest we could solve so many of society's problems.
>>10207332Maybe the punishment could have been mitigated because they'd been apart since her birth and love each other.
They argued that point.
The Judge basically said: "Well fuck your shit, nigger".
HAY, LET'S PUT THE FATHER IN JAIL AND LEAVE THE WOMAN WITH FOUR KIDS TO RAISE!
SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN TO ME!
They're both pig disgusting, I can't fap to incest doujins since I saw their faces on TV
And why is the sister not guilty?
Because she's a woman, and it's always the man's fault. Always.
>>HAY, LET'S PUT THE FATHER IN JAIL AND LEAVE THE WOMAN WITH FOUR RETARDED DOWNS SYNDROME KIDS TO RAISE!
i won't be surprised if she starts fucking her sons while the guy is still in jail
underage at that point, i guess.
APPARENTLY PEOPLE ARE NOT READING THIS PART:
>However, the constitutional court ruled that sexual relations between siblings "do not affect them exclusively, but also can have an effect on family and society, and have consequences for children who arise from the relationship."
Sounds reasonable to me, now delete this thread please, not /a/ related.
But then he should of been also accused of pedo? Or is it not controversial in Germany?
I guess she was 14 or older when they first fucked, so it's fine.
Only germany cares what you think is reasonable. It doesn't make any sense to restrict what consenting adults do with each other via force and imprisonment.
>What's wrong with the world? Homosexuality is on the road to being A-OK but incest is still PIG DISGUSTING.
incest is ok as long at it doesn't lead to inbreeding. inbreeding affects innocent third parties (that is, children born out of inbreeding), so it's not ok.
If a person consents to contract smallpox, do we decide it is okay for them to be out in public? No, of course not.
(The babies are smallpox.)
And yet society still lets those with down syndrome born from normal parents to live and breed.
Makes a lot of sense.
> breeding affects innocent third parties
The same logic can be used to justify punishing people with handicaps or diseases from breeding.
What they do is make retarded babies, which has an extremely negative effect on everybody around them. We have enough retards as it is. Therefore banning it is in everybody's interest, QED
And yet you have no problem with your own existence.
This is actually a good enough punishment for the woman. The should prevent her from marrying anyone either. Completely forced to raise her annoying, money sucking, tardbabies on her own.
What about if I use a condom? Can I keep fucking my sister?
It's a myth that babies born from incest will have birth defects. In 99% of cases, they will turn out normal.
They have a greater chance of having defects because it is easier for recessive genes to be in both siblings, but the chances that the baby will have defects is still next to none.
ITT ignorant people.
Even if you fuck your cousin, the chance of a defect is ~5%.
>>The report estimated the increased risk for first cousins at 1.7 - 2.8 % over the base risk of about 3%, or about the same as that of any woman over age 40. From Wiki.
For bro-sis, it must be even greater. >5%=/=0
If incest creates retarded people, why aren't there more retarded amish people?
Another thing to note would be that downs syndrome is not the result of every birth defect KNOWN THE MAN.
>> first time in 2000, at which point he also first met his sister. The couple then had four children.
must have been an awesome "welcome back party"
Incest is illegal because it goes against cultural and social norms. Homosexuality is on the road to being culturally acceptable after nearly 200 years of cultural dissemination. Incest has been regarded as abhorrent for a long while and will most likely continue on that path for a bit.
Fuck, if it were acceptable, murder would be legal and walking backwards would be illegal. Laws have nothing to do with "morality" or "justice" and have more to do with what the current culture/society deems acceptable.
They are Amish, they ARE retards.
You'd have to be retarded to live like the Amish.
But they do have several dangerous genetic diseases because their gene seed is thinning out.
Who gives a shit about this? Are you guys really interested in incest?
Since when did /a/ hate incest?
Since newfags came in after the split.
Why yes, yes we are.
Groundbreaking social commentary that no one had considered. Thanks so much for your DEEP insight.
I'm not INTERESTED in it, I just find it acceptable and normal. Sometimes hot.
It's like people are not interesting in breathing, it's just something that you do, and it's normal.
Oh hi, you must have not received your complimentary gift-basket for arrivals.
Incest = WINcest
DFC is delicious
Healthy girls are fine too.
10% is not furry. 100% is fine too.
Delicious traps are delicious.
Delicious reverse-traps are also delicious.
Speak for yourself; I definitely have a breathing fetish.
I have UNLIMITED INCEST DOUJINSHI WORKS
sounds like Kio Kaze in real life
I never judge you guys, in fact, I tend to sage anti-incest threads. But personally? I find incest gross, and tend to shy away from doujins that have incest as a major factor.
Also, I don't like traps or any bit of furry in my sex.
Again, I don't judge you guys, so am I still allowed here?
No. Get out.
i wonder how the 4 children turned out @_@
For as long as you keep contradicting yourself - like everyone else on /a/ - then you're welcome.
Yes, but you'd better start developing some kind of abnormal fetish.
They have sex with each other, and their mom, then with her brother who happens to be their dad. And then they are all pedos.
But then the radio said "No children, you are the victims." And then they were scapegoats.
...and lived happily ever after.
Trying drawing a family tree. You'd soon realize that it looks like a 4D hypercube.
Manga hentai incest, sure, but RL incest? Seriously? Your fat fucking sister?
For all of you
tl;dr In most of the cases (i.e. 99,99%), sexual desire is inhibited between people raised together for years while siblings/related raised apart may be subject to a more powerfull sexual attraction than normal people who met each other (also known as genetic sexual attraction).
>>The man had been given up for adoption at age 4 and met his birth-mother for the first time in 2000, at which point he also first met his sister.
So no surprise he wanted so bad to put it in. He couldn't help himself, the poor man.
I can see it now.
"Mommy, where are they taking daddy?"
"He's going away for a long time, because his love for mommy is inappropriate and violated social norms."
"I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW MOM, LET'S FUCK"
Incest is fine so long as it is other people doing it.
Your sister fails.
Mine is actually pretty hot for an 8 year old, in the eyes of 8 year old boys of course.
And hot cousins. Can't forget hot cousins.
Those boys are pedos.
Right out of a doujin story about family incest amiright?
Well, they fuck the scapegoats, too. Damn furries.
LOL @ this thread.
Ernsthaft, wen kümmert's?
source on Ops picture?
they were all retarded, just like their parents, true story.
lonely virgins wishing for sisters to have sex with.
> who is now in her early 20s
> who is now in her early 20s
> who is now in her early 20s
Something you don't understand about that, boy?
this thread seems full of rednecks
This thread is not relevant to my interests.
I feel like pointing out that Down syndrome is caused by having an extra chromosome, and thus is not caused by incest unless one of them has Down syndrome to begin with. Inbreeding can cause genetic diseases (although I think people overrate this effect) but not that one.
I will save this article and discuss it with my sister over break as a subtle way of gaging her attitude regarding incest.
You don't have a sister.
Enjoy talking to your hand.
i to would like to know the sauce.
No, fuck you. Talking with my hand is a group activity.
sauce sauce sauce
lol @ the people who haven't seen this dojinshi 9000+ times already.
You know what the funny thing is anon? Last summer i found out that i have a 25 year old sister and we've talked online a bit but we haven't met yet.
Gee, I have a 25 year old sister too, we could be related or some shit!
I'm being trolled responding to this thread -- look at the reply count! ha ha!
Speak for yourself, idort.
I have a 17 year old sister that I even haven't met but I have seen recent pictures of her and she is pretty cute I have to say, fuck she doesn't look like my sister at all
Don't knock it 'til you try it.
CURSE YOU, ANONYMOUS OF GERMANY! CURSE YOUUU!
Ha, no wonder.
Why are you all complaining about it being the man who as put away? OH NO SO OPPRESSED.
Did you even read their ages? With four children, imagine how young she must have been when it started. It was probably technically rape at the time, and with those ages, possibly abuse/power issues as well.
I, for once, agree with Germany. Insest is discusting. I just see myself doing my own sister..... YUCK!
I just CAN'T see
These news are so old.
YOUR MISTYPE ONLY PROVES YOUR INNER INTENTIONS.
All other issues aside, the primary responsibility of the judge in this case was to do what was best for the children. In this regard, he MISERABLY FAILED. Worries about setting a "bad legal precedent" should never outweigh consideration of the real, flesh and blood people involved.
Freudian peni-- slip?