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Why does anime always have to use fanservice, what happened to having a story?
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>>102057022
Why not have a story + tits?
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why not BOTH?
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You say that like it's a recent thing.
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Anime is mostly character-driven.
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>>102057194
Sometimes fanservice can really be misplaced. Divergence Eve wanted to have a serious sci-fi story of the likes of Babylon 5 but the fanservice made people think it was another Vandread shit
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They make those things you're talking about, they're called books.
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What if.... What if the story is about fanservice?
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>>102057022
I don't know OP, that looks like some fine backstory to me.
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>>102057022
Why do american shows always have sex scenes? Even if the bitch isn't showing her tits that shit is really implied.
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fuck off only massive faggots don't like fan service.
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>>102057745

I-I'd be your massive faggot, anon-kun...
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>>102057792
Say that again and I'll fucking slap you m8
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>>102057860

I want to get down on my knees and suck on your cock as you browse /a/. I want to slurp down your semen each and everyday. I want to be your personal onahole.
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>>102057570

>They make those things you're talking about, they're called books.
>Implying books weren't the lewd material of the Victorian era.
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Plenty of shows prove you can have fanservice and a strong story. You just keep watching the shit /a/ suggests.
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>>102058301
Emma had a joke about lewd books
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name one anime with a good story
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>>102058476
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjoea3
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>>102058352
I hope you're not implying Slayers had a strong story though it is a good anime, the story isn't one of its strong points
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>>102058687

Yes, I am implying Slayers has a strong story. Especially the first two seasons and the NEXT ending.
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>>102058476
Hunter x Hunter, Deadman Wonderland, Trigun, Gudam Wing, do I continue ?
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>>102058687

>Slayers
>story not its strong point

Please do tell us what you think is a good story.
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>>102059261
What about the story was so strong. exactly?
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>>102057022
>>102057359
This nigga is right, OP. fanservice has been around for a long time. Maybe if you watched any anime made before 2004 you would know this. ` It is still possible to have fan service and a good story.
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>>102059407
Something like Berserk or HnK. Unless you meant by anime standards, in that case Slayers does have a strong story.
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>>102058476
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mdMtuGL7eg
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>>102059389
>Gundam Wing
>good story

Good choice with the others
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>>102059407
>Please do tell us what you think is a good story.

see >>102058537 and >>102059592
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>>102059389
>Do I continue?

Please continue until you name a good story.
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>>102057022
>what happened to having a story?

You're looking in the wrong medium.
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>>102058476
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFgyr2dKQ0
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>>102059631
That's the joke
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Why did Shakespeare have to put sex and incest fanservice in his stories?
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>>102057729
Sex scenes in American movies are usually isolated. For example Miller's Crossing. Yes it has a fuck scene, but that's the only time fanservice takes place, and it's a few minutes long, granted. Anime has a habit of thrusting a busty pair of tits in as many scenes as it can, even if it's supposed to be a tragic or serious moment in the story.
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>>102057022
Anime has always had fan service.
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>>102058476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wtQh3Q97n8
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>>102058476
Monster
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>>102057022
Sorry OP this isn't kotaku.
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Fans realized the stories were rarely entertaining, so fan service is our savior. I blame manga. They couldn't write themselves out of a paperbag.
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>>102057022
>Why do movies have sex, naked women, and violence?
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>>102057022
What fanservice? She's just doing something everyone else does. Don't you take off your clothes and put on new clothes, OP? Or do you just wear the same clothes all day every day?
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>>102058476
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoc8w7PV9FY
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>>102060681
>do you just wear the same clothes all day every day?
Yes
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>>102060671
It seems today all you see is violence in movies and sex on TV
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>>102057022
>all animes have fanservice
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>>102060745
Well.

Glad we settled that.
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>>102060751
Where are those good ole family values?
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>>102060751
But where are those good old-fashioned values, on which we used to rely?
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>>102060791
The ones worth watching do.
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>>102060909
Lucky there's an American Dad
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>>102058476
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL184D964F20DEE093
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>>102060933
No anon, that's just you having shit taste.
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I don't know why so many people don't understand the importance of tittie inspection day, bathing together, hot springs, beaches, grope greetings, airing out sweaty crotches with wind power, and accidents or fights that require the loss of clothing. It's Japanese culture man! It's a typical day in Japan! Don't you want to know how to blend in while visiting Japan?
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>>102059898
>the author is like "I want to have a story about the sides of a relationship other than sexual."
>romance completely stagnates
welp
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>>102059411

It established a solid setting and plot which could have lasted for dozens of seasons. It also focused on strong characters and, at least in the first 2 seasons, built to strong endings.

Unless there's different properties to a 'strong story', it had everything to being a strong story. Pretty much it comes down to your personal feelings of how much your liked or disliked the setting/characters which keeps you from thinking its a strong story. I don't love the characters in something like Neon Genesis Evangelion. But I can still admit it has a stronger story than your average anime and well developed characters.
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>>102057022
I think the more important question is... Where's all the Pokemon fanservice?
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>>102058476
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRHJntLYMh0
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>>102057022
Needs more backstory
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Sex sells.

Not impossible to do both.

Though, I feel like there is a desperate point, this board would surely disagree.

But, yeah, that.
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>>102059407
>>102059507

>Slayers isn't a strong story
>Beserk is

...what?
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>>102060812
I haven't changed my clothes in over a month. Being a NEET and all what's the fucking point?
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>>102061635
That was fucking baller.
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>>102059389
>Deadman Wonderland
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>>102058476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WctFqOZZjRw
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>>102058476
Boku No Shakespeare.
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It's to weed faggots like you out.
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>>102060181

Big Bang Theory
The entire thing
Prove me wrong
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>>102060181

>Sex scenes in American movies are usually isolated.

There's plenty of 'gretuitous' sex in american media. Like that 10 minute sex scene in The Matrix Reloaded or all the pointless sex scenes in crime dramas.

Aside from this, its mostly because each country has different laws for what can be shown on screen. Japan allows full on breasts and ass on screen, but no 'genetalia'. Whereas in America, if you show any breasts, your movie automatically becomes rated R and critics treat it as 'adult focused'. Even if its an artsy movie focused on a famous artist painting a nude girl for no sexual reason.
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>>102057022
People smarter than us knew it already that if she has a nice body "it'd be a shame to not show it".
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>>102058476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ-Rt-MgqGM
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>>102057022
Still has story.
Always had fanservice.

I think you just got tired of it.
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>>102057022
Two words. Sex sells
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>>102061560
this picture juxed against that filename man.....
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>>102057022
Every show has a story, whether it good or not varies.
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Fanservice = tits & ass.

Good definition I expect no less from you, not that fanservice can be in any other form such as more airtime for popular characters.
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>>102058476

School Days
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>>102068748
>School Days
You be too up on dat ganga lion-MON.
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>>102059389
>deadman Wonderland

bait.
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>>102057022
in Evangelion, fan service is needed for the story. How's that ?
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>>102057022
>Why does anime always have to use story, what happened to having fanservice?
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>>102058476
From the last 12 months - Silver Spoon, Yowamushi Pedal, D-Frag.
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>>102058687
Slayers is the Discworld of anime. Its completely ridiculous, more often than not comedy, and full of exaggerated fantasy tropes and cliches, but the worlds they take place in and the characters are both well developed and fun.
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>>102057359
The moment a studio gives man-hours and budget to making breasts bounce it takes away from the "story".

Anime is a terrible medium for story telling only because its only long term audience wants sex and only sex. Anime has become, well really always has been, a product. It is no longer an "art".

That is not to say that there are no shows/movies that are legitimately well written/animated/directed, but shows like Kill la Kill give 40% of their attention to sex. There is no argument to this, it deters from the narrative. There should be an equal split between narrative and aesthetic. (for debating purposes we will count sound and character design under aesthetic). This is, or at least should be, the standard.

You get shows like Bakemonogatari, where aesthetic is give 60% and story is given 40%, which keeps things interesting. You also get shows where they give the writing more time than the art direction, which is fine and can actually be better in some cases.

When you have a show which is 30% aesthetic, 30% narrative, and 40% cash grab fanservice (Kill la Kill and most shows that air each season) though, you have a problem.

>>102057597
This is also a problem which appears in Kill la Kill, Trigger gave fanservice plot armor. They made it intrical to their completely nonsensical plot, to make the nudity pseudo-intellectual.

Defend shows like this all you want, but in the long term you are just hurting the industry.
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>>102074878
>Defend shows like this all you want, but in the long term you are just hurting the industry.
He's not really because no one gives a shit what /a/ thinks about anime.
He is giving impressionable teenagers the wrong idea though. That might be worse.
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Do people actually think Satsuki or Ryuuko actually look sexy when in their Godrobe outfits?

Ryuuko is hot but looks totally unsexy when she's wearing Sanketsu. I thought it was just to be over the top and ridiculous.
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>>102057022
>want to get x into anime
>looking through my collection of illegally downloaded anime
>they all have some sort of panty shots and etc
>end up not showing them to x because embarrassed
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>>102075035
L-l-l-let's read a book instead.
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Fanservice has been in anime since the beginning of its existence.

Hell, in a twisted way, you could say Astro Boy, with him flying around in short shorts with no shirt all the time, is a fairly innocent form of fanservice
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>>102074878
>implying that Bakemonogatari isn't at least partially cash grab fanservice too
>implying that cash grab fanservice is a bad thing

There's no way Bakemonogatari would be my favorite anime without the fanservice.
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>>102074878
I bet that you think that monogatari isn't an harem
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Post some series with good plot/fanservice relation.
I think especially season 2 manages to walk the thin line between too much of either one.
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>>102074878
Get a load of this faggot
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Fanservice or MANservice /a/?
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>>102075455
forgot my picture
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>>102075455
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Anyone else just never get turned on by Ryuuko or Satsuki because they're not watching it for the sex appeal?
The outfits were weird for three episodes and after that it was as normal as seeing Kamina/Simon shirtless.
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>>102074878
>Anime has become, well really always has been, a product.
>you are just hurting the industry

Wow, I'm not even sure how double-think like this can work.

If an industry creates a product, they do so with the goal of pleasing as many people as they can with said product so those people will buy from them. How can anything which sells be hurting the industry?

Sounds like you've got a case of "stop liking what I don't like, because my tastes are best tastes." Maybe, just maybe, the people have spoken. Maybe your tastes aren't that great, and the industry recognizes that fact and has moved on from what you like.
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>>102075431
It absolutely is a harem, but it does a really good job at being more than just a harem. It breaks the mold of how complex the narrative of a harem can be.

>>102075315
Monogatari definitely has cash grab fanservice, but it does this because of its market.

Don't take this too personally, but if people like you didn't base their favorite shows on how often you see half naked women shows wouldn't have to cater to those needs.
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>>102061560
>>102065756

Shes dead you know she had a rare skin disease anime was thing only thing that helped her with the pain of living just like you /a/non
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>>102075718
>moved on from what I like

What I like, is well written and produced anime, so yeah I guess anime has moved away from that.
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>>102075744
>if people like you didn't base their favorite shows on how often you see half naked women shows wouldn't have to cater to those needs
Yeah, if people didn't base their favorite shows on what's actually good, shows wouldn't have to be good.
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>>102075830
That's merely based around your opinion
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>>102074878
Are you implying that other forms of media don't have as much fanservice as typical anime?
Lots of movies, TV shows, and books will happily put female actors in revealing outfits and have pointless sex scenes, so don't think that sexual fanservice is limited to anime. It's usually slightly more blatant because a) Japan is less modest about sex than America, and b) the characters don't have any say in what they have to show, unlike (most) professional actors.
"Anime is a product" doesn't mean anything because literally every other form of entertainment is a product, and it's not like it's only anime producers who are willing to pander for money. Sex sells in EVERYTHING.

Also, fanservice isn't limited to panty shots and accidental boob grabs, it includes anything that "services" the fans, or gives them what they want. For example, in Pacific Rim, you could say that the mid-air sword kill was fanservice. It's not relevant to the story at all, but the audience expects and wants cool moves
because it's an action show.
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>>102057022
>what happened
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>>102076086
I am specifically talking about sexual fan service.

>"Anime is a product" doesn't mean anything because literally every other form of entertainment is a product

This is 100% not true. Entertainment is not inherently a product. There are so many artists releasing things for free with no wish to make money off of it. There are people making things, knowing that many wont understand it, but they do it anyway because they want their vision to be seen. There are people who are writing stories and are never even showing it to anyone, they just keep it to themselves. That is a product? No, it's not. They do it because they are passionate about it. If people weren't so willing to put up with shit writing and directing because "WOW THEY DREW A NICE BUTT THIS SAVED ANIME AS A MEDIUM!" maybe there would be more anime that strived to be more than just a product.

>>102075918
So is every thing I have said so far, why even point that out?
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>>102074878
How are you real. How could anybody not like Kill la Kill? What is wrong with you?
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kill la kill doesn't have fanservice per se because it's important part of the show.

it's like saying baywatch has fanservice.
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>>102057022

Tits make the story better.
Take your feminist crap to /v/.
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>>102076864
>Fanservice is not fanservice if it's part of the story
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>>102074878
Anonymous you're retarded.

KlK's fanservice doesn't take away from the plot because it's quite literally weaved into the plot. It moves the story forward, and is both the main antagonist as well as the backbone of the primary characters' strength.

Furthermore, you're outright dismissing things like character design and sound design as purely aesthetic. I'd imagine you'd also dismiss things like shot design and cinematography as aesthetic too.

In any audio-visual medium, these aesthetics are every bit as important to the artfulness of the peace as the narrative.

If narrative is the only thing that could ever make a work art, then I suppose you don't consider movies, anime, television, comics, manga, music, or hell, even ART to be art.

Literature is the only purely narrative art. Everything else uses aesthetics to help tell its story -- thereby making the aesthetics as important as the narrative itself. KlK actually does this brilliantly.
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Who cares if there's fanservice

how the hell does it hurt anyone in any way except prudes

and besides

just don't watch fanservicey shows if you don't like them

I don't like shows that focus on gay swimmers

so I don't watch them

it's not that hard
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>>102076950
It's not fanservice if it is INTEGRAL to the story, if the actual THEME of the show is a deconstruction of power dynamics vis a vis modesty and the need to accept vulnerability as being key to achieving your full potential, for example, you fucking tedious prude.
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>>102076950
well technically it's not because it's no longer added service but something that comes without saying.

you don't describe lewd scenes in porn as 'fanservice'.
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>>102077275
So there's no fanservice in Seikon no Qwaser?

Kill yourself faggot.
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>all those triggernigger drones defending their shitty fanservice-flavoured waifu of the season bull crap
>muh FEMINISM
>muh STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS
>muh IMAISHI-TIER GOLDEN ANIMATION

if you're enjoying this, consider going back to >>>/v/ or >>>/cgl/
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>>102077349
Tell me something bro. Why do you trip? Is it so that you can stroke your massive ego by thinking that a few anonymous people might recognize you from thread to thread?

Seriously what purpose does it actually serve? Think about it for a minute and give me an honest answer, none of this 'you mad' stuff. Actually respond.
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>>102077221
>(for debating purposes we will count sound and character design under aesthetic)

Did you skip that line or something?


>KlK's fanservice doesn't take away from the plot because it's quite literally weaved into the plot

They wrote the story with the idea of "Hm, what sells? Sex sell! Let's just make a story where it makes sense that everyone is naked all the time!".

The show is even that good to begin with, but defending it like you are is just ridiculous.

In Seikon no Qwaser it is " literally weaved into the plot" that people need to suck breasts to get super powers, does that make the plot of that show any less retarded? No. Just because Trigger gave a reason for fanservice that doesn't make it good.
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>>102077329
Stop watching anime.
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>>102077287
>you don't describe lewd scenes in porn as 'fanservice'.
Porn is pure fanservice though.
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>>102077275
>It's not lewd, it's a deconstruction of modesty!
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Nudity can be used to achieve an effect, and in Kill la Kill it would be a much weaker show without it due to the central ideas on display
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SRS please, please, please leave.
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Fan service isn't even a big deal anymore unless its just for the main focus to get across the story like that shitty imocho show.
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>There are people who actually believe Shit La Shit is something more than a shounen with fanservice in it.

2deep4me
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If anything, this thread has confirmed that I am not completely alone in hating this show.
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>>102077902
Yeah, you and two other pretentious faggots.
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>>102077974
This. I swear it's the same like 3 or 4 people posting the anti kill la kill threads every single time.
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>>102077595
>Did you skip that line or something?
No, I didn't.

That's my whole point. If you want to dismiss elements of the show equally as important as the narrative to the artistic expression of the work for "debating purposes", then your entire debate is invalid and also retarded. It's like you literally have no clue how audio-visual art works.

Just stick to novels, dude. You'll be fine, there's literally thousands of years worth of content for you.

>They wrote the story with the idea of "Hm, what sells? Sex sell! Let's just make a story where it makes sense that everyone is naked all the time!".

Rather than judging the show on its own content and artistic merits, you're just assuming the intent of the artists involved, drawing a strawman based on it, and using said strawman to invalidate it.

Kill la Kill deconstructs tropes of the medium and movement to which it belongs (the very same tropes you're making an attempt to criticize) and tells a very well-paced, compelling if cliche story with an incredibly unique style that radiates through the audio, visuals, and metaphoric content of every scene. As far as 'anime as art' goes, it's undeniably a great example.

If you want to break down the scripts on a purely literary basis, it's going to be a little bit rote. But the whole package is poignant and compelling.
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Do people seriously watch KLK because of fanservice?
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>>102057022
>pic unrelated
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>>102078050
I would be shocked. It's like they went out of their way to somehow make fanservice ugly.
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>>102077902
I hate KLK but i'm not shitposting about it in every thread,stop being a faggot
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>>102078932
Good guy anon. I'm sure your waifu is wonderful and beautiful and you two love each other very much. Happy Valentine's!
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>>102077974
Ha ha, THIS
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>>102074878
You're fucking retarded and wrong. Family oriented anime has and still is by far the highest sellers in Japan for the last 30 years. Stuff like Doreamon, Crayon Shin-chan, Pretty cure and maybe a shonen like Naruto or One Piece will sneak up there during a majority plot part, all this stuff has always been at the top and still is.

Anime existed before your Toonami shit. Fuck off.
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Nowadays, anime only sells if it has fanservice. Quality and story is irrelevant. A good example would be Infinite Stratos, which is utter garbage and somehow managed to top the sales ranking
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>>102079316
This is only accounting for blu-ray sales, not licensing deals, merchandising, and overall brand profitability

Using one niche sales metric does not give you an accurate picture of the state of an entire medium.
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>>102074878
>using Bakemonogatar as a example

Stopped reading there. I dislike fanservice too, but for some reason I find the fanservice in klk more bearable than the shit they throw in any monogatari series
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Yeah, I remember the old days, where fanservice never existed.

But no, stop being a fucking retard. You don't watch anime.
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>>102061893
You know that's technically french, right.
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>>102080125
A perfect ass will overpower any pair of tits, this is a stupid poll.
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>having fanservice and telling a good story are mutually exclusive
Come on now. The defining feature of fanservice is that it's supposed to be unrelated to the story and not affect the narrative at all.
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>>102077349
You forgot tumbler's foot hold. >>>/co/
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>>102080442
Oh really?

http://strawpoll.me/563819/r
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>hating a show that shows the beauty of the female body as much as possible
I bet you kiss girls faggot
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>>102058476
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>>102075828
Nobody cares.
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>>102077781
>posting a Pokemon reaction image
Team Rocket please go and stay go.
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>>102087473
That's Hataraku if I'm not mistaken
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>>102079316
>Nowadays, anime only sells if it has fanservice
That must be why Witch Craft Works and Engaged to the Unidentified are probably the only anime selling this season right? Because of all the fanservice they have, oh wait

Let's ignore everything else this season is bombing or disappointing itself in sales to hell and back
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>>102057022
Nudity and storytelling aren't mutually exclusive you dumb prude.



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