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Guide (Start here):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit

Reading List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Agk2IH0ZXhn7dDNmSW1BVFU5dVgyOHkzWjU4b2l2dkE
#l/a/nguage on irc.rizon.net
Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/w0gRFM0c

Previous Thread:
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/101939078/
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I've learnt kanji through reading/compounds, never actual kanji study. Lately I've been thinking I might benefit from a little kanji study, just to see how it works. Is there a way someone who's already pretty much at intermediate should study differently? It would seem like a step back to use English keywords at this point. Obviously with basic stuff like 彼、波、水, etc., I've seen them so many thousands of times that I know them without thinking, but what do I do for rarer kanji? Suck it up like a beginner?
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双葉の糞連中に馬鹿にされた
復讐しなければならない
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seyana
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>>102030839
投稿も許されない俺からしてみれば贅沢な悩みだ
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>>102031507
投稿も何も
馬鹿にされて堪るか
自慰を終えたらあいつらをぶっ潰す
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Can someone help me with this one line? 「二度とくんなよ」

I'm not getting what the kun na yo part means at all. Is it slang? Is it another form of いる that I don't know? For context, she later says

>普通人間
>ありがとう
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>>102032080
二度とくるなよ
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>>102031459
・・・せ、せやな(汗
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>>102032147

Thanks very much!
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>>102032300
いやそれは援助じゃなくて命令だったよ
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ああもうバレンタインか
可愛い女の子にチョコをもらいたい
可愛い女の子を抱きしめたい
可愛い女の子をべろちゅうしたい
可愛い女の子と添い寝したい
でもそれはできないよ
まあせめてぞろ目を当てられる
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>>102032762
今年もお嫁さんと二人きりのラブラブイチャイチャ時間を過ごす予定がついています。
お嫁さんと言っても二次元の女だけどね。
ま、それも当然か
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Are there any tricks to memorizing hiragana or am I just slow?
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>>102033696
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>>102032762
ここでもこんな糞を見えるね
とてもいやらしい
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXLPBCiCpw
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>>102031459
お、おう・・・
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fucking anki.

So i made 2 cards out of the same notes. A J->E and a E->J. But they appear both in the same deck.
I want them in separate decks. How do i achieve this? I tried the option deck override, but that doesn't work.
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I should just read muramasa...
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What the hell am I reading?
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>>102033696
Use Heisig remember the kana and you'll learn the hundred of them in a couple of days (well, you'll still have to use anki to not forget them). Too bad it didn't work with the kanji part.
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>>102035876
>悪
>not 惡
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>>102036241
Could just grind through realkana in less time and reinforce it through grammar.
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Just started the book "remembering the Kanji" and I'm wondering if it is really necessary to use the koohi/whateveritscalled fansite?

Currently I'm just writing the meaning of the Kanji down (like 'old') on one side of the paper and then drawing the Kanji down multiple times next to it. Not learning how the Kanji is pronounced in Japanese though, I assume that is done in part 2.
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>>102036210
うんこ。
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>>102036210
Shit's tasty.
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>>102036502
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2077872612

I like this deck, it has the top 2 community stories, and if they both suck, you can just click on the word and it will take you to the full list of stories and you can find a better one. I had to make an account to see the stories, but I don't use their site for reviewing.
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ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/国の合計特殊出生率順リスト
なんで東アジアのどこも出生率が低いの?
やっぱアジア通貨危機が原因なのだろう?それともディジタル化・近代化が早い国は、社会変動によって、出生率が下がるの?
人口の近代化
それが原因としたら、少子化が悪い諸国は、どうやってその問題を解決できるか。
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>>102038745
兄さん、ええでもかまへんよ
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>>102040055
関西かぶれめんどくせぇ
せやな
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>>102040145
いけずせんといてホモ達
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>Finally finished with kanji damage after a hellish two and a half weeks of learning meanings at about 100 new cards a day.

If I had to read one more of his awful stories then I was going to go insane.

It was like reading terrible mnemonics designed by a bitter liberal arts student that hates Japan. Every other card was either a rant about Japanese warcrimes or Japanese culture, complaining about one of the hundreds of kanji (嫁 for example) that he tagged as "fucked" because they aren't progressive enough for him, anti-racist rants, all of those weird references to obscure practices in judaism that he peppered throughout the mnemonics, or some shit about capitalism that was about as eloquent as the right side of this image.

I'm so glad that it's over and now I only have to review.
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>>102041185
Why would you subject yourself to that? And even more important, why would you learning kanji individually?
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>>102041185
You know it really would not be difficult to make an alternative to kanjidamage, but that functions under the same principles and is historically accurate.
Maybe you should, or someone who can, setup a site like it. Perhaps with outside assistance from here, we can create a good resource with good mnemonics in a short amount of time that isn't peppered with liberal Jew shit.
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>>102036836
The font size of the cards in this deck are a bit too HUGE, how do I make them smaller?
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>>102041429
>And even more important, why would you learning kanji individually?
It has many merits. I'm sure that in two and a half weeks time with that he's gained more than he's lost, though if he doesn't review he or at least advance quickly it might not add to much, but it still probably helped considerably.
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>>102041633
Edit > Cards > change the font size in the CSS.
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>>102041688
Thanks!
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>>102041576
There already is, just with more etymology than mnemonic.
http://www.genetickanji.com/
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>>102041429

I tried to go through vocab without doing individual kanji study, but it didn't really work for me because I would constantly mix up words that had kanji that looked even slightly similar. It was easy enough to learn the readings through vocab and attempting to do that through kanji study just seems insane to me, but I needed to quickly go through something that would help me learn how to see kanji as more than just a bunch of scribbles.

As for why I went with kanji damage, I just liked the overall design of the anki deck for kanji damage. Seeing the radical deconstruction on each card helped a lot and the jukugo examples were sometimes helpful to take a glance at. The mnemonics and his habit of inventing new radicals or completely changing the meaning of rarely used obsolete kanji was terrible though.
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>>102036836
One more question, is this deck supposed to be used in conjunction with the book?
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>>102042235
It wouldn't hurt to read the book for shits and giggles. You can't say you did RtK until you've gotten a taste of his dry humor.
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>>102041937

Wow, this is great. I love reading the etymology, it's like a little history lesson with each kanji to keep things interesting and give you a glimpse into the way that the ancient Chinese saw the world.

Are there any anki decks for this? I think I'll make one if there isn't. Can't be too hard to make a new deck since it's just copy-pasting everything from that site.
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>>102041937
I love it. I prefer etymology over mnemonics.
>Arranged in order of frequency and teaching the logic of composition, GeneticKanji makes the most effective use of a student's study time.
Genius way to teach it. Couldn't imagine it could be a better way. Unfortunately it doesn't look very modern and it a bit difficult to navigate and if I'm not mistaken just uses romaji.
Great idea, but presentation needs some work, and the thing the amount of kanji itself needs to be extended. Kanjidamage still doesn't have an adequate replacement, and I personally think that's a huge problem and would do everything to fix it with some assistance.
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>>102042461
>>102042523
Just don't take all the etymologies as fact. Most were pulled from various sources that acted in a way as the RtK of the day. So, while the mnemonics are effective and accurate to the meaning, some may be little more than 2000 year old bullshit and not etymologies at all. It's really hard to tell at this point.

Still, most of them are more memorable than Heisig's suggestions by the mere fact that they stay to the point as instead of just trying to be memorable.
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>>102043368
A lot of character explanations (etymologies), in fact I think most, are just hypotheses and propositions, so I suppose that even if it isn't the ones that are accepted modernly or at all anywhere, the fact that it's trying to come up with an etymological-based explanation at all, even if a fabricated one, is good.
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>終わらす
Is this an example of Yotsuba's broken grammar? It's only showing up in weblio as "terminate", which fits, but it's nowhere on Rikai or jisho.
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>>102044311
It's a shortened form of 終わらせる and basically just means 'I'll end it'.
Using す instead of せる happens quite often and has sometimes adopted its own unique form. (e.g. 戻る - 戻す)
Everything that ends with す is at least transitive. I haven't seen an exception I can recall.
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>>102044510
>Using す instead of せる happens quite often and has sometimes adopted its own unique form. (e.g. 戻る - 戻す)
I just guessed this by the way, I don't really know. I assume they're somehow related. 戻らす is still something that's used, after all. 戻す doesn't replace it, so don't assume it does, I just assume they are related.
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This place is getting too slow. I think we need to start making threads as soon as the old ones day and not let these threads have too much down time. If we don't, more people are going to leave and it's going to be harder to get adequate discussion going, which is only going to hasten the process.
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>>102045677
Having threads more frequently won't make them more active.
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>>102045677
There's really not much to discuss. Just questions and answers on language concepts that aren't touched in on the regular resources.
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>>102045787
It makes their existence more stable, which I imagine keeps people from losing interest or finding other ways to enjoy the time they'd usually spend on 4chan rather than being in this thread.
You might be right, but I don't think it would hurt.
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>>102045982
Secondary, slightly less relevant discussion comes naturally and at different times, so I guess unless one touches on those, this play may begin to seem less populous than it actually is, but it's starting to feel a bit lonely in here to me.
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>>102046330
Hopefully it's because those who are serious about learning are off studying. They're also the ones with a good enough grasp of the language to feel confident enough to post in Japanese. I keep the thread open when I read so I can answer questions I know, and ask those I don't.

Threads only seem to go fast when there's an influx of new learners who don't read the guide.
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>>102046562
>Threads only seem to go fast when there's an influx of new learners who don't read the guide.
The unfortunate truth, but I suppose it has its merits in reinforcing values and creating a sense of unity, like a country that pulls together to fight outside invaders.
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after kana, do you learn kanji or grammar?
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>>102046806
You learn Japanese.
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>>102046806
Both
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>>102046703
Didn't mean to post that.
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>>102042235
You won't know the radicals unless you read the book, because they aren't listed on the site anywhere and some of them are a little complicated, like if they are on the left of the kanji they will mean one thing, but if they are on the button they will be something else. When I'm studying, I have the PDF of the book open on the left half of my screen and Anki on the right.
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Not sure how to form grammatically correct sentences yet.

僕 は じゅきゅ 年? Would that be correct? Or
僕 は 年 じゅきゅ?
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take a break
(part starts at 20:19)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ClV_jI35Q#t=20m19s
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>>102048095
僕 was meant to just be ぼく
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>>102048095
ぼくはじゅうきゅうさい
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>>102048246
>僕 was meant to just be ぼく
Why would that matter?
It's usually ボク or 僕.
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>>102048379
I completely forgot that even some Kanji with the same spelling could have different meanings. Why was ボク in Katakana?
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>>102048379
>It's usually ボク or 僕.
don't spread misinformation
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>>102048519
> Why was ボク in Katakana?
That's just how it's written sometimes. There's no real reason behind it. That's what used to be used and is still used back when kanji used to be restricted to a smaller amount that people would commonly use and writing ボク instead of 僕 was more commonplace.
>I completely forgot that even some Kanji with the same spelling could have different meanings.
Hmm? What does that have to do with this?
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>>102048779
>back when kanji used to be restricted to a smaller amount that people would commonly use and writing ボク instead of 僕 was more commonplace
No.
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>>102048138
>rip
>lip
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ドラマ is a nice break from anime. I pick up a lot of new vocab from watching with subs. Something I'd recommend to those who don't do it already.
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>>102048845
>>102048732
In VNs and manga, where people have time to care, yes, it is commonly either ボク or 僕, and so is ぼく is well, but to lesser extent in such works, though of course, it is not uncommon or weird or even particularly uncommon practice.
That's an observation.
>back when kanji used to be restricted to a smaller amount that people would commonly use and writing ボク instead of 僕 was more commonplace
This and 俺 didn't even get added to the 常用漢字表 until recently. That is the only reason I can imagine that writing ボク has gained any ground.
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>>102048779
Never heard of that before so I think I'll just take it as bullshit until I see it a few more times.
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>>102049103
I don't even know what you're trying to say. The problem with >>102048779 is he implies that there was a time when people didn't use 僕 because they were trying not to use "hard" kanji. There was never any such time. There was never a time when kanji were restricted to a smaller amount, because nobody has ever given a shit outside of newspapers.
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>>102049087
Really doesn't get the attention it deserves.
>>102049165
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1156102506
>2、先日まで常用漢字外だったから。(新しい常用漢字には採用されました。)
It wasn't taught in schools officially, so the habit developed of expressing it with kana. That is a reasonable conclusion.
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>>102049087
Too bad they're all shit.
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>>102049319
> The problem with >>102048779 (You) is he implies that there was a time when people didn't use 僕 because they were trying not to use "hard" kanji. There was never any such time. There was never a time when kanji were restricted to a smaller amount, because nobody has ever given a shit outside of newspapers.
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1156102506
>1、読めない人もいるから。
>2、先日まで常用漢字外だったから。(新しい常用漢字には採用されました。)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit?pli=1
>(Supplementary Information Via Picture)
Believe it or not this isn't my first day on the language, not that necessarily means I'm right, but this isn't an uneducated supposition.
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>>102049388
It takes some getting used to, but it's still enjoyable.
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みんなさん!

みんなさんは短いだそ男!www
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>>102049350
The guy is speculating. You're speculating.
ぼく is just as common, if not more than ボク. To suggest otherwise is unfounded and ridiculous until proven.

>That's an observation.
It's still misinformation.
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>>102049633
Not only is the post about 俺 and not 僕, but your reference is literally a guy making guesses on yahoo answers.
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>>102049851
Oh goddamn. In manga yes it is very common. Otherwise only slightly.
>Not only is the post about 俺 and not 僕, but your reference is literally a guy making guesses on yahoo answers.
There is not going to be an official document stating why people are writing 僕 as ぼく and ボク or 俺 as オレ. If you read that picture, you can see that this kind of practice was well implemented, and it is a well-founded suggestion.
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1252560002
This covers them all, but the answer is quite less thorough. It doesn't just apply to 俺 though. Natives notice this too.
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>>102050182
>俺 and 僕 only common in manga
You're retarded.
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>>102049806
>To suggest otherwise is unfounded and ridiculous until proven.
In shit like manga and a lot of other literary works, it is absolutely not unfounded, ridiculous, or unsuggestible.
Let's not continue this meaningless bickering over absolutely not shit.
>>102050293
ボク and オレ you stupid shit.
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>>102050344
>ボク and オレ you stupid shit.
Make it clear what you're arguing instead of just spewing random nonsense you stupid shit.
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>>102050424
You misunderstood me you stupid shit.
I had no reason to make a dumbass shittymistake a airheaded needledicked fuck like yourself would make. Being a logical person, I don't make such shitty mistakes. If you assume me stupid, then you might look for my mistake before you try to follow my logic, but if you were to follow my train of thought, then you would have interpreted it correctly. If you assume me stupid, then you might not, and that's fine, doesn't mean your silly yourself for misinterpreting.
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>>102050588
>mean your
you're*
Because I know you'd love to point that out.
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>>102050344
>Let's not continue this meaningless bickering over absolutely not shit.
Right, let's go back to listening to some random idiot who fancies himself an expert and openly uses yahoo answers and porn games as credible references.

God you're a rarity. You could be a master troll if you trained a little.
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>>102050588
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v50dVvai5to
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>>102050673
>God you're a rarity. You could be a master troll if you trained a little.
Don't pin your own explosive aggression on me. Take some responsibility for a change.
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>>102050588
Let's trace the conversation back:
>>102050293
>>102050182
>>102049851
>>102049633 which still doesn't make any sense as a counter to my point that people have never specifically avoided 僕 and 俺
>>102049319
>>102049103 which replied to my post for an unknown reason

I never once mentioned オレ and ボク. You switched the subject in your head because you have no skill at communicating, then got angry when you were misunderstood. And not a single post of yours explained how it addressed anything I said.
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Can you separate two clauses with a て verb? I see something like this in writing a lot. For example...

中出しの喜びを経験して僕の友と会談した。

I experienced the pleasure of being cummed inside, and then discussed with a friend.

Is that right?
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>>102050918
Yes. I sometimes brainfart on the earliest and most basic grammar, too. Feels weird.
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>>102051027
Yeah it's something I could have sworn I learned a year ago. Oh well, thanks, glad to know I understand.
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>>102050916
>>>102049633 (You) which still doesn't make any sense as a counter to my point that people have never specifically avoided 僕 and 俺
It gives you reasons as to why they might have, so yes it does.
>>>102049103 (You) which replied to my post for an unknown reason
You just didn't get the reason why. Points were made, even if you did not grasp them.
>I never once mentioned オレ and ボク.
I fucking did, originally! That's what this whole thing is about. I don't know how in the shit you've decided to interpret this, but I'm saying that it's quite often either ボク or 僕, which it fucking is. Why have I have been condemned for stating the obvious.
Just to be clear, my posts are
>>102050588
>>102050182
>>102049633
>>102049103
as in your post.
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>>102050918
Your example also shows mild causation, like a weak から, a feature easily forgotten.
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>>102050813
>explosive aggression
>a dumbass shittymistake a airheaded needledicked fuck like yourself
wwwwwwwwww
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>>102051277
Is that something inherent to て separable clauses or was it that the context of the two clauses imply causality?
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>>102051185
>I fucking did, originally! That's what this whole thing is about
No because I completely ignored that and commented on another part of the post. Just to be clear, my post was >>102048845 not >>102048732
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>>102051337
Mine is tumbling aggression. Yours is explosive because you were (at least I felt you were) suddenly very mad at me.
I suppose you might be the series-of-explosive-agression-type being that you've been needlessly very mad this entire time.
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Trying to watch raw shows is the most demotivating thing I could do.
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>>102051475
>tumbling aggression
>series-of-explosive-agression-type being
???
I don't even
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>>102041937
>>102042461
>>102042523
This viral samefag is insane.
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>>102051363
Little bit of both. Mostly because the first half is the implied topic or subject or whatever of 友と会談した. Same as with 携帯をなくして困っている.

て does a lot of work and this little use is usually more common and fitting than から or ので, as otherwise it can come off as too explanatory.
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>>102051397
>>102048845
I'll conceded to that. That was too much to say. It's probably just to provide slight changes or suggestions in meaning and probably doesn't originate from the previous kana restrictions or anything, though that definitely has had an effect on the language, and I was more voicing my thoughts as to why out loud.
I apologize for this whole mess.
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>>102049633
That chart was pretty interesting. Didn't know the jouyou were used to limit writing. I thought they were just something like a teaching plan/guide.
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>>102051363
I'm not that poster, but I'll reply anyway.
It is inherent.

電車が遅れて困りました。。
OK: The train was late, and it was a hassle.
BETTER: It was a hassle, because the train was late.
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>>102052028
Orthography and etymology gives people boners and anything is better than KD/Heisig bitching.
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>>102052196
Gotcha, big thanks.
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>>102052034
Oops, meant to thank you too.
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>>102052216
How are you supposed to learn shit from this anyways? Not only is it fucking romaji everything but it's about as useful for learning as a radical search.
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>>102052028
I saw him editing it into the guide. I looked at the site and it was shit and only has kanji up to grade 5 or so. Almost commented a ステマ乙 while he was editing.
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>>102052413
Stop bullying me.
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>>102052216
Is this what it looked like before you worked your magic?
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>>102052366
It looks pretty nice with the words and the tree of kanji to relate things, but romaji is simply inexcusable.
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>>102052609
>the tree of kanji to relate things
That's pretty useless when most of the things in the tree are never used and even out of the ones that are used most don't have entries on the site anyway.
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>>102052609
KD uses it too.
There just simply isn't a perfect resource in existence at the moment. I like the idea of that other site more than I would actually consider using it. If it were touched up, or somebody made something with that and KD as a model, then I think they could make a pretty badass site.
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>>102052717
Just for the love of god don't use the same shitty order that KD uses. Except without the order the whole "KD method" is broken.
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>>102052216
>>102052478
Holy shit, you really are trying to shove your shit site in people's faces.
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>>102052769
I never did KD/RtK (I just do a deck of all juyou ordered by the order in my vocab deck.) but what exactly is wrong with it? I see lot's of people complaining about it but never an actual explanation of what its point is what why it doesn't work.
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>>102052769
Order doesn't matter. You need to learn all of them anyway, and if you do vocab at the same time you can just learn the new kanji that appear in your vocab deck the same way people who don't care about writing learn them - just look for radicals you know and other distinguishing shapes and learn the word. If you come across the kanji in your kanji deck later you can learn to write it at that point.
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>>102052769
>Just for the love of god don't use the same shitty order that KD uses
I think the genetickanji site has the best idea for order, but it really is a bit too primitive to really be used as a resource in itself on top of being a tad bit unexpansive.
>>102052883
KD is shit. Change, of any sort, would improve it. The entire site could be renovated to a shit watching gypsy circus troupe and it would still be less of a piece of shit than kanjidamage and its creator.
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>>102052717
>not learning with moe kanji
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>>102052894
Go look at the order that KD uses. Things like "left" "plate" "clothes" are learned in the 1200 range.
>>102052936
Wow, if order really doesn't matter I wonder why Japan doesn't teach it in any old order. It's almost as if order might be important!
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>>102052999
The order looks okay but other than that the site doesn't look very good at all. It's very bare bones and the biggest strike against it is the romaji. Honestly I think a physical flashcard of Kanji/Reading+Meaning would be more useful.
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>>102053025
>Wow, if order really doesn't matter I wonder why Japan doesn't teach it in any old order. It's almost as if order might be important!
It's just to get at what's common quick enough. The other extreme is to get all of it down quickly but that limits your ability to learn common things quickly. It doesn't really matter which you choose because both of the paths converge on the same road. That's all that he was saying.
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>>102052883
You want to see some real shills? Head over to /jp/. They're so fucked they don't even tell wanikani to fuck off.

>>102053025
It's like heisig says in the introduction: the order adults are able to learn in is different because we are hopefully smarter than children and already know big words. Most of those big words are written with simpler kanji than everything before grade 3.
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>>102053177
>The order looks okay
The order is the best part. Read the explanation for it. It gets at common things quickly while teaching all the subcomponents. That's the best method I could imagine.
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>>102052196
this is wrong
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>>102053018
If they actually had those for all jouyou and jinmeiyou kanji I might actually use them.
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>>102053359
seconded
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>>102053252
>The order is the best part
And it's just okay.
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>>102053359
>>102053456
What's wrong with it?
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>>102053581
>And it's just okay.
If you're going to offer a counter opinion you know it's polite to explain why right?
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>>102053681
I don't need to explain myself to you. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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>>102053590
電車が遅れて大変でした
Is the best way to say it.
Using 困る like that is kinda weird.
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>>102053590
て is a verb form. It has no "inherent" meaning.

the meaning you attribute to it (when you really shouldn't) depends entirely on the clauses that precede and follow it. It doesn't belong to て.

>>102053853
lol wut
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>>102054036
>食べて has no inherit meaning
l0l
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>>102054115

inherent

adjective
1.
existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute.

Can you understand this?
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>>102054036
>>102054036
>the meaning you attribute to it (when you really shouldn't) depends entirely on the clauses that precede and follow it. It doesn't belong to て.
What?
Perhaps you should try fixing it then my little child genius, since no one can possibly decipher this jumblar of shit here, you're going to have to provide an example.
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>>102054115
what's the difference in meaning between 食べる and 食べて?
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>>102054277
>>102054036
テ形なんか関係ないだろう
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>>102054036
In the case where it's not a mere list of actions irrelevant of order, the preceding て clause implies causation. If you move the order of the clauses, it changes the meaning and people get mad at you for making vague statements.

>糞、困っている。
>なぜ?
>携帯をなくす。
Or 携帯をなくして困っている.

It's both causative and explanatory.
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>>102054256
ご案内させていただきます。
私の車は赤くて早いです。
ぼくは家を出て、友達を見に行きました。

Where is the causation you believe to be "inherent" to て?

>>102054581
>In the case where it's not a mere list of actions irrelevant of order, the preceding て clause implies causation.

In other words, it's "inherent except in the cases where it doesn't make sense"?

I would agree, except that's not inherence
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>>102054277
What are nuances?
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>>102054565
テ形なんかいらない
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>>102055034
ずくである!
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>>102054581
it's just a sequence of events, however it seems natural to translate it into a causative type of compound sentence
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>>102054976
>私の車は赤くて早いです。
Well, everyone knows cars are fast because they're red and vice versa, so you can say that either way.
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初めに、神は天地を創造された。
地は混沌であって、闇が深淵の面にあり、神 の霊が水の面を動いていた。
神は言われた。「光あれ。」こうして、光があった。
神は光を見て、良しとされた。神は光と闇を分け、
光を昼と呼び、闇を夜と呼ば れた。夕べがあり、朝があった。第一の日である。
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Is Yotsuba referencing a song, or just making something up here?
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>>102055391
Think that's a song.
Don't know what though.
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>>102055391
I heard that exact phrase in one of Tanuki's ARK remixes, so maybe it's famous.
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どの別れ方がいい?
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>>102053025
皿衣装左
All of the above are actually earlier in Heisig than the newspaper frequency ranking given by rikai-chan.

The things that you might want to learn early that RTK doesn't do early are things like 誰 and 俺
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>>102055034
Looking up words in the E->J dictionary again anon?
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>>102056304
「オラやっぱすげぇかっけぇな」という妄想を持たせてくれる6のほうがいい
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>>102056092
苦しい
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>>102056304
1) 痛い
2) 痛い
3) 泣き虫だそうで、むしろうれしい
4) 好きなタイプで、そもそも別れねーよ
5) 死にたくなるほど痛い。
6) ちょwwwwwおまwww
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What's the difference between 想う and 思う?
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>>102057202
1 and 3 are the best, 4 is shit.
5 is Setsuna
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>>102057662
想う is less common and more strokes and therefore deep
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Not sure if I have this right, so I thought I'd ask. By saying using something like 22日から30日 does that mean essentially that it starts on the 22nd and ends on the 30th? Does that make sense?
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>>102057662
subtleties that will probably not be explained well by anyone here

you don't really see 想う. 想 is used in compounds more often

>>102057747
>4 is shit.
your taste is shit
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>>102057993
>you don't really see 想う
And here you're wrong. 想う is often used for recalling past (usually fond) memories.

>your taste is shit
Sorry, I prefer when girls actually like me.
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>>102057875
put まで after 30日
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>>102057875
usually needs まで
22日から30日まで
and yes, although there may be some cases where it would mean taking 22 to 30 days if かかる was used.
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>>102058146
>And here you're wrong. 想う is often used for recalling past (usually fond) memories.
yeah you're right, I wasn't thinking sorry

I would have deleted my post but I still think your taste is shit
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>めんどくせーけど
is just a way of saying
>めんどくさいけど
right?

Is there a resource for all these slang changes?
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>>102058848
妹!!!
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>>102058490
yeah

I don't know of a resource, but there aren't that many. You can pick them up from natural speech pretty easily (this is why knowing basic grammar is important), as they tend to follow patterns

い → え-sound is one such pattern
でかい → でけぇ
いらない → いらね
読みづらい → 読みづれー
青い → あええぇええぇえ(^q^)

the sound is often extended in various ways to make up for the gap from the dropped い
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>>102058924
陰毛と?(難聴 
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>taking intro to fapanese at uni
>have only gone to two classes this semester
>midterm exam tomorrow
>cramming
>finish re learning previous chapters and one new chapter of new material
>flip to next chapter which I hadn't looked at yet
>MFW when I knew 4/5th of the vocab just from watching chinese cartoons
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>>102059249
誰の引用?
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>>102056092
what deck is this?
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>>102058848
>rosetta stone
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>>102030798
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>>102060041
お前のお母さん。w
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>>102059249
>not being ahead of all your japanese classes
>taking Japanese classes
>having trouble at the intro level
>shit's so goddamn easy you know most of the words despite being the massive piece of shit that could be summed up as your existence
Get the fuck out of here. You don't belong.
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>>102060350
I am really liking Rosetta Stone actually.

I think the key here is that I did Anki and memorize all the kanas first. And I know Chinese. Made it much more straight forward.
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So I just started using anki and the core2k decks, but I've been wondering whether or not I'm supposed to just group them all together right off the bat or work through them one by one and group any deck that I've finished with the current deck I'm working on.

I've been doing the latter and I've managed to remember maybe half of the kanji I've gotten through far, but I just wanted to be sure I was doing it right.
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>>102030798
>>102060351
Look it up for words in a dictionary, or the extensive DJT deck.
>>102060447
I think you're a fucking idiot and you don't know shit. Obviously if you knew Chinese then just using rosetta stone with the kana wouldn't help shit, you shit.
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>>102058848
This looks like a good learning method, just from looking at the picture I already know that ?も?? means "little girl" and ???さ? means "my girlfriend"
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>>102060435
I'm in moonrunes 201 for depth & breadth reqs. Speaking I'm dogshit at and I have to think for an additional 5 seconds before coming up with a response, but I've found that when it comes to comprehension of both written and (especially) dictated material that I know exactly what is being said automagically.

It could have something to do with being autistic.
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>>102060606
That has to be by far the worst, most painfully forced way I've seen to teach the kana, or for that matter, anything ever.
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>>102056092
I could fap to that font.
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>>102060690
>It could have something to do with being autistic.
Do you even read Japanese outside of your little gay get-togethers with a bunch of other dweebs and shit-dicked normies?
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>>102060690
By the way I thought I'd just tell you that that's not impressive and the fact that you think it is is disgusting.
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Does なんなんだ translate to "What?" with a request for explanation?
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>>102061095
Yeah.
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>>102060550
lol why so angry?
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>>102061149
I just don't like it when pussy lying coonfuckers come into my thread and spread their gayness. What are you 12? Are you seriously going to try to sell me that loud of shit while using the most absolutely garbage method on this side of the moon?
Get real.
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>>102061252
wow loooool stay angry while I learn easily and effectively
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>>102060868
> Baww, stop taking a free credit, take something more useful like English instead!
In other words, yes, I do read. Admittedly not difficult texts, but I can fumble my way through キノの旅 with little issue and few lookups.

>>102060772
I don't know about that, when first learning a language I'd think that it would naturally be difficult, at least at first, to understand the flow of an alternative language's grammar naturally, especially if you're monolingual.

Initially you recognize nothing, then, as you build your vocabulary, you start recognizing words. From there, you start to be able to recognize phrases as blocks (instead of focusing on the words themselves and how they formulate the phrase), and finally, you realize imagery. This works with both reading and listening. To be able to skip to the third / fourth step without any explicit practice, I don't see how you shouldn't be proud of accomplishing such a feat.
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>>102061460
>Admittedly not difficult texts, but I can fumble my way through キノの旅 with little issue and few lookups.
Oh okay, that's not bad. I was just getting the impression that you to blog about the drama in your epic Japanese class was all. But if you actually care more than to to try and read/watch Japanese outside of that, then I suppose you might not be a complete faggot.
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Here, even better.
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>>102061621
>that you to blog about the
that you wanted to*
Probably still gay though huh.
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>>102058848

>kana-learning drill
>two random kana with no special relation (next to one another alphabetically, easily confused, indicating a useful morpheme, etc.) just sitting next to each other because they're both used in words that refer to siblings

I'm honestly baffled by the logic behind this drill. It seems completely arbitrary, with no learning value at all at the stage that they seem to be focusing on. >>102060606 sums it up.

How much did they expect people to pay for that program, again?
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>>102061732
Nothing has change besides the fact that it actually seems to care about the other letters this time.
As a joke this is shit.
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>>102061807
Heh I only posted these screenshots because they say imouto. I've already memorized the kana so these lessons are just review for me.

The actual content lessons gets pretty advanced quickly. Maybe it's not for everyone (ie you), but for me it's working quite well.
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oops wrong picture
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>>102061621
True. Honestly, the two boons of taking a class are having people to talk to in moonrunes who may correct you (which you can't necessarily do reliably with yourself), and motivational (you have to make sure you have a solid grammatical foundation, know your vocabulary well to at least Genki I/II standard, have to do weekly assignments / essays that keeps your grammar from slipping in certain areas, etc.).

>>102061747
>>102061621
> Probably still gay though huh.
Closer to bi, but yes. Good thing I won't breed.

>>102061732
Rosettashit devs please go.
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>>102062073

>ABC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLfLHiZoYD4
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>>102062073
Now I can't tell if you're really a complete dumbass or just trolling because that doesn't look like complete shit although I still hate it.
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>>102062204
I agree, romanji mode is cheating.
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How long are you studying daily? I want healthy competition to see if it will help motivate me to study longer.
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>>102062288
I'm sorry can you stop shitposting?
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>>102062290
About an hour to two hours a day
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>>102062290
About a hour.

>>102062271
>>102062324
Can you?
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I've just started with the anki core 2k/6k stuff. I'm still getting used to messing around with all the settings but I have to ask, 20 new cards is like what, 3 new words? I was thinking of upping it to 50, or does it not work like that?
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>>102062361
>Can you?
Well then are you autistic?
Can you go away? You so socially unacceptable that it's intolerable.
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>>102062381
Do recognition and nothing else.
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>>102062413
>angry because someone is learning a language differently
>calls other people autistic

hum...
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>>102062428

Well I guess that would speed things up, but I think listening would be important too.
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>>102062511
You're just a weird person.
>hum...
Who the fuck writes like this? What are you from reddit? Have you ever even been here before? Is this your first time on this site, even?
I don't care about the rosetta stone thing, you're just an intolerably gay person.
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>>102062579
That's really all secondary until you can read decently and have a good grasp on the grammar.
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>>102062579
Do you watch anime? Then you have no need to practice listening.

The hardest parts of listening are vocabulary and comprehending full sentences quickly. The first is a constant challenge that is solved most efficiently through reading. And the second is pointless to think about until you can comprehend written sentences.
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Could someone help me with this sentence?

「むしろ こうなることに 違和感がないっていうか」

I don't get 「こうなること」 and also not sure how to break 「ないっていうか」 down.

For context, the person was thinking 'it wasn't unpleasant'.
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>>102062381
>>102062428
>Do recognition and nothing else
Production has merits that far exceed recognition. Stop giving bad advice.

>>102062694
>Do you watch anime? Then you have no need to practice listening
Reading English subtitles wont help with listening. Even with a good grasp on grammar and vocab, that doesn't make listening easy when the speakers slur and talk at a fast speed. On top of that, Japanese has ALOT of homophones, even ones that aren't immediately apparent (conjugations etc.).

>>102062511
ロゼッタ・ストーン ゴー・ホム
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>>102062962
>Production has merits that far exceed recognition.
Early words are common enough that you can produce them without explicit practice.
>ホム
You don't even know Japanese do you
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>>102062962
>Production has merits that far exceed recognition. Stop giving bad advice
Seconded.
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>>102063073
Its not about the words, it's about expressing thoughts and full sentences
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>studied Japanese for 2 and a half hours tonight

>could be playing some goddamn 英雄伝説 at this very moment instead of just being almost ready for children's manga if I had gone at it like this every night for the past year
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>>102063073

>being this new

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmgyFQNvvU
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>>102063188
And single word vocab cards won't help with that. You can't do that without a decent vocabulary anyway.

Production practice in japanese requires you to already know all the kanji as well. Which means it isn't efficient at the beginning unless you want to be retarded and do no vocab until you finish RTK. But it also means that you're forced to learn a lot of pointless shit later on when the new kanji that come up are things like 蝙蝠蜥蜴菎蒻瑠璃邂逅
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>>102062682
>>102062694

Ok so to delete listening cards from the entire deck do I go to browse or something? Sorry for being so shit at this
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>>102063297
The point is ホーム.
That is an embarrassing mistake you've made.
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>>102063297
>being this dumb
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>>102062962
>Production has merits that far exceed recognition.
Fuck off. You're being a piece of shit for attention, but I don't want people believing this is a decent route.

As a person who spent 3 months doing nothing but production, I can tell you for sure that it's not something you want to do. If you include handwriting, you'll easily be spending 3+ hours on vocabulary alone. While production does get you a lot closer to the words, and definitely makes you retain them more, it's not an efficient path.

The natural progression does not start with being able to produce the language. You need to understand it. Recognition is far more useful when starting to read, which is the first huge goal in learning Japanese. Speaking, sentence creation, and writing all come after that.

Production is also shit for your understanding of the words. English -> Japanese is just the wrong direction.
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>>102063335
I'm not sure what you mean by listening cards. I use the standard Core2k/6k and they're all recognition by default. Just so you're clear, cards with audio on them aren't "listening cards"; your recognition cards with have audio on them as well.
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>>102063350

Sounds pretty drawn out to me. You clearly don't know shit if you don't think that Japanese draw sounds out in their writing sometimes.

Goddamn, /djt/ might be the most autismal Japanese learning community on the net.
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>>102063566
負けず嫌い
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>>102063566
literal bait
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>>102063494

I guess I don't have that one, mine says step 1. There's the 3 card types: reading, listening, production
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>>102063633
This is the one I've been using:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1102215805

It's been so long since I've seen the default. It looks like it actually has you doing production at first. Play around with the deck's settings in Browse → Cards... to make sure you're doing Japanese kanji on the front side of the card, and English/kana reading on the back.
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>>102062952
あ、あの

誰が 助けてください
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>>102062952
っていうか is filler which just implies that they are looking for a better way to phrase it.

The main sentence is just むしろこうなることに 違和感がない
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>>102063793

that's how they are, at least the reading ones. I just wanted to know if you can delete by card types, I guess I'll just figure something out tomorrow.
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>>102063861
Thank you!
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I dunno what has more levels of autistic anal frustration, this, or the hipster 3x3 threads.
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>>102063350
ホムが好きじゃないの
残念だ
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Would I still use たい if I use し to list reasons on why I am doing something? For example,

勉強したいし、練習したいし、授業を取っています。

I am taking the class because I want to learn and practice.

Would the たい be redundant? Would this be more fluid?

I am taking the class to learn and practice.

勉強するし、練習するし、授業を取っています。
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You people are fucking retarded. There's nothing seriously wrong with KanjiDamage and if you would spend as much time studying as you do bitching about pointless shit you'd be fluent already.
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ya ri ta yi
What this means?
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come to 2ch
http://engawa.2ch.net/poverty/
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Quick question, what does 細い目で見る mean?

I'm assuming it means like stare / glare, but I can't find a good definition anywhere.
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>>102067705
But I can't post there, what's the point?
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>>102068267
maybe foreign countries' ip is blocked.
use vpn
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So is Heisigs method no good?
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>>102070492

Read the guide.
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>>102070492
His method is fine if it works for you
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damn if only mangas only used kana then I could just not learn kanji altogether
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>>102071633

what is furigana?
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>tfw you finally start to understand some of the things you're reading
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>>102072053
Enjoy it man. It'll keep coming back as you go through more and more complex shit and have that "holy shit that made sense" feeling.
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>>102072441
It's only simple stuff really, but I'm still surprised I can read as much as I can after only a few weeks
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>>102072667
Hold on to that feeling because it goes away fast. You've learned the 10% of words that are used 90% of the time. It's the diminishing returns after this point that makes you crazy and start shitposting out of frustration.
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>>102065174
彼女の足を舐めたい
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Tell me a word with 嫐, jisho has no results
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>>102073591
嬲る
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>>102073591
So try using a real dictionary instead of jisho
嬲(なぶ)る
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w-what is this? It's on a shirt that I got as a souvenir
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>>102073622
>>102073626
I`m talking about 嫐 not 嬲
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>>102073630
糞, it means shit lol
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>>102073661
嫐る then. Same word, different nuance made clear in writing.
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>>102073661
http://ameblo.jp/k-714-yamasiina/entry-11525181824.html
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>>102073695
y-you're serious? this is the front
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>>102073777
>ヲタ芸部
Otaku art club
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>>102073822
Why does the sleeve apparently say "shit then" wat
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>>102067796
http://kotobank.jp/word/細い目で長く見よ is the only thing I see that suggests it's anything other than just "look with thin eyes". If you post context, we might be able to tell.

>>102065374
No, たい is the only thing that makes sense. If you just list the verbs, it sounds like a list of what you are doing.
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>>102073849
It doesn't. It says "Bountiful Heaven" in the circle if I'm reading it right.
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>>102073849
http://www.bu-den.com/

It's a clothing brand.
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Already asked this yesterday but I'd like a few more replies.

What's your guys' process for learning each new kanji?

Do you memorise the english meaning first and onyomi and kunyomi later?

Do you memorise every kunyomi or just the first one and than pick up the other ones with reading material?

Or do you just drill all 3 in your head and review with anki?
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>>102074225

See a new kanji
Remember the radicals it's made of
Try to keep the onyomi in mind
Add kunyomi and common jukugo that use it to vocab deck
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>>102074273
So you're making your own vocab deck?
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中田氏の四六媚
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>>102074693

Everyone who uses Anki should do that.
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>>102075079
What does a personal vocab card look like?
So, lets say you learned 丸.
You add the 丸 to the front and all the kunyomi and their meanings (In this case 丸 丸める 丸い) to the back side?
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>>102075273

No, I add the words individually.

>front
Word in kanji form
Example sentence in kanji form

>back
Word in kana form
Example sentence in kana form
Translation of word
Translation of sentence

I only really bother with sentences if it's a grammatical expression though.
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>>102075604
Where do you get example sentances?
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>>102075743

Tangorin or Jisho
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I see, thanks.
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>>102075831
I see, thanks.
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Am I the only one who love Japanese with american accent?
The ~きます pronounced as ~きーまぁす is so hot
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>>102036210
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This is probably a dumb question, but I'm reading through Tae Kims' grammar exercises and he translated あれじゃなかった as "wasn't that over there." Why doesn't it translate as "that wasn't over there"?
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>>102075980
>>102076037
what a baka
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>>102078400
He probably means it as in "it wasn't that over there".
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>>102048138
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ClV_jI35Q#t=20m19s
Haha thanks, had such a good laugh.
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>>102078400
あれ="that over there"
じゃなかった="wasn't"
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>>102048138
Hey, post some more videos like this. I'm pretty new to the Niconico scene and I don't know what's good and what isn't.
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>>102078679
>>102080911
Thank you.
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3122 kanji in and I still see at least 2-3 unknown ones (names excluded) every day. What a language.
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Would you a Fuuka or Asagi?
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Is this the right way to say "that's even better"?
それがあっても良いでしょう

Context is that someone asked something, the other person disagreed and said something else and the firs person replies with "that's even better".
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>>102084510
なおさらいいじゃないか or something. それがあってもいいでしょう sounds like "wouldn't it be ok if it were" or "I think xx would be ok", there's no sense of "better".
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>>102084510
>それがあっても良いでしょう
That's more like "It wouldn't hurt to have it there." or something to that effect.
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>>102083486
The average Japanese person takes over a decade to get to your level. Be proud of yourself.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlA8KfwfgEg
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>>102085010
>weeboo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrmX7W261X4

これ好き
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Holy shit, can you fucking retards knock off the fanboy ranting in the kanji section of the guide already? Do you think this bullshit is going to fucking help anyone who is confused and just wants to know how to learn kanji?

>Genetickanji - Slightly undeveloped alternative to the liberal ranting, the poor jokery and the downright misinformation in kanjidamage. It is presented in a fashion of frequency while covering the individual elements that make up a given kanji. Basically, if 線(line) is considered the 382nd most common kanji, and 泉(spring) is the 1086th most common kanji, then with a frequency approache 線 would be taught before 泉 (traditional approach). In things like kanjidamage and Heisig, you would be taught 泉 first, and 線 later, but an essential kanji like 四(four) might be the thousandth or so kanji you learn. In genetickanji’s approach, you would be taught all the subcomponents of these common kanji, and then the common kanji themselves, effectively combining both approaches in the most efficient and logical way possible.
Also, unlike Heisig and kanjidamage, etymology is the considered the primary learning tool here and take the place of mnemonics.
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>>102085790
>Also, unlike Heisig and kanjidamage, etymology is the considered the primary learning tool here and take the place of mnemonics.
英語でおk
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>>102084864

You mean kids.
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Daily reminder to read at least one article from NKH News Easy per day
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>>102085766
「予想外だ」のところでなくした
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>>102086541
>News Easy

赤ん坊じゃないよ
普通のニュース記事は結構
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>>102086541
Why would I do that?
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>>102086681
>>102086642

Why do you even bother?
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>>102086824
I just asked why he thought I should read NHK News Easy every day? I thought maybe he had something to say for it.
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>>102086824
質問が分からない
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ankiをしたくない
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>>102087162
それならば読め、糞王。
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>>102087162
しなければ夢でもこいつに遭うぞ
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>>102087450
そんなかわいい娘は夢に現れば嬉しいぞ
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>>102085010
I've installed GoogleIME now, and I've got this bs. Whenever I type something, a suggestion box shows up (in chrome atleast), I searched it up, and it said to do "Tools -> Encoding -> Auto" which I've done, but the boxes still appear as [][]][][][][][][]. Anyone else had this problem?
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>>102087162
可哀相
やっぱり今のうちに諦めた方がいいだぞ
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>>102087924
で、でも日本の女の子としゃべりたい
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>>102087742
でも彼女は君を激しく罵るぞ
まさか罵倒されたいのかね
ドMじゃないよね
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>>102088307
俺の倅をしゃぶればどうだ
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>>102086541
I keep telling myself that everyday, but I always want to take it easy...
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>日本の味の基本の『だし』のおいしさ

hmm
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>tfw you hear/read someone complaining about subs for an episode of anime and realize you watched it raw but comprehended the scene so smoothly, it was like you did have subs.
>tfw you notice your Japanese levels are [steadily] blossoming

>>102072441
Those moments when you instantly understand a sentence or structure you haven't heard before or studied are pretty jarring and when you go back to break it down, it just confuses you a bit.

>>102073254
Don't believe this and don't "hold onto" that feeling or you'll end up feeling empty when you don't feel it anymore. Just keep up your work, have fun and you'll see results soon enough. It's possible to get a cycle of fun, learning and payoff going and you won't want to do anything but study.

>>102041937
Ooh. Thanks for this.

>>102046806
I'd go with a mix of grammar and vocabulary for establishing some foundation. Deviate to doing your own thing when you feel it's appropriate.

>>102074225
When learning new kanji, I:
-Look at it and go through the meaning(s) before writing it down (with proper stroke order; even if you think you won't be writing Japanese, this is good for enforcing it in your memory)
-While writing, pronounce the readings (it can be mentally). I pronounce the onyomi before the kunyomi.
-After the kanji is completed, I finish off with its meaning.

This isn't as strenuous as it sounds, but that's how I do it, no joke.
Some kanji have too many readings (especially when it comes to listed verb conjugations), so I just learn the root word and believe I'll know how to handle the conjugation when I meet it during reading.
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ASWqD6wQSy
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repsを終えたヽ(^。^)ノ
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>>102091143
恥ずかしくないのか、テメ
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>>102091143
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Q6NjhQQWLu
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>>102090771
I don't understand why most people want to know the onyomi reading more than the kumyomi. Wouldn't onyomi just come with vocab?
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>>102093289

More like the other way around. Once you learn 食べる in your vocab deck, congrats, you know a kunyomi of 食.
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>>102071633
>damn if only mangas only used kana then I could just not learn kanji altogether
It hurts to even look at this sentence.
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>>102073630
http://www.bu-den.com/
豊天
It's the name of the company.
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Would
私は愛する人のを要る。
Translate to "I need someone to love."?
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>>102085790
> Do you think this bullshit is going to fucking help anyone who is confused and just wants to know how to learn kanji?
I don't give a shit. Label it advanced. Tell faggots like yourself to fuck off.
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>>102093967
Goddamn why do you all suck so much at this language.
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>>102094079

Fuck off.
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>>102094132
Those are my words, "pal".
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>>102094079
Because I'm really new and I'm not sure how to describe nouns with verbs yet.
>>102094132
Not me.
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>>102094167
>I'm not sure how to describe nouns with verbs yet.
I'm afraid that sentence is a bit more contorted than that. Wait until you get better at the language.
一緒にいてくれる人が必要
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>>102094294
Meh, thought I'd at least try.
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>>102093967
愛する人がいないといけない

Whats with these captcha?
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>>102094364
Don't bother stressing over producing sentences too much at first because you simply won't have the vocabulary, grammar, or experience to pull it off very well.
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>>102093967
要る is intransitive, you used the wrong particle for that verb, but the verb you used is also wierd. Also you don't need the の because 人 is a noun...
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>>102094925
Thought I had to have の to be able to treat a verb+noun as one noun?
Maybe I should go reread that section.
*shrug*
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>>102093967
Actually this translate as "I need the dick of the people I love"
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>>102095102
>*action*
kill yourself
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>>102095118
I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.
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>>102095102
>*shrug*

死んでください
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>>102095102
>Thought I had to have の to be able to treat a verb+noun as one noun?
Yes but you have 人の not 愛するの
Either way it doesn't work.
人が is the form you'd want. The の is unnecessary here because 人 is already a noun.
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>>102095169
You should lurk more then.
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>>102095169
*coughs in a suggestive manner*
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>>102095102
自殺しろ
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>>102095118
*whips it out*
open wide
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>>102095228
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
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>>102093289
If your aim is being able to read, then knowing the onyomi is vital since you'll come across it in compounds/jukugo. Vocab comes second (as you go about trying to read) depending on your level.

I can't say I put more importance on the onyomi, but I don't see the point in learning only either type. I just go through the onyomi first since it's what's listed first in dictionaries. In my case, it's done all in one sitting, so there is no wanting to know one type of reading over the other.
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>>102095306
*opens wide*
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>>102095622
>If your aim is being able to read, then knowing the onyomi is vital since you'll come across it in compounds/jukugo.
Knowing how to pronounce something and being able to read it are two different things. And one can pick up on onyomi with vocab. 金 is a good example of this.
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>>102095692
逝ってよし
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>>102095306
>not slowly carrying your katana out
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Fuck different fonts.
Why does 将 look like it has the タ katakana instead of the 爪 radical in my anki?
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>>102095912
I'm not denying others' learning methods; just explaining my own.

Not being able to recognize a kanji or know some of its readings (thus hampering my attempts to read) is more frustrating to me than not understanding what's said due to lack of vocab.
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>>102096178
But it doesn't have the 爪 radical, it only have the 寸 radical.
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>>102096178
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How does the げ suffix in verbs works exactly? For example, 苦しげ or 悔しげ. I've seen this a few times, always together with the に particle.
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>>102096307
It does, it's the thing on top of 寸.
I learned it that way, and it's listed on the premade deck as well.
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>>102096452
-ish or seems
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>>102096468
It is a component not a radical.
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>>102096539
seemingly*
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>>102096543
I don't see the difference.
Both 寸 and 爪 are kanji by themselves besides being components, so why are they classified differently?
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>>102096468
ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/将
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>>102096640
The radical is the main part of the kanji as it gives the kanji meaning, you are learning it all wrong if you are calling 爪 a radical.
*sigh*
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>>102096836
>*sigh*
Reddit please leave already.
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>>102096836

No one cares. People have been calling components radicals forever.
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>>102096836
>you are learning it all wrong
How so? I'm still remembering them.
Please explain to me with it is so important.
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>>102096640

Kanji only have one radical. You know, kind of like how latin words are ordered by their first in dictionaries.
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>>102097036
>Please explain to me with it is so important.
It's important if you want to look up kanji in a paper dictionary but otherwise no, it is not important to make a distinction.
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>>102096988
That's why everyone is so "lol kanji is so random"

>>102097036
You are not learning the main part of the kanji, there's no way it isn't learning wrong.
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http://kanji.okcoram.jp/
Japanese studying materials for non-natives are lacking in several ways aren't they. Etymological explanations make much more sense than shitty mnemonics.
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>>102097589
the etymology for 愛 is pulled straight out of his ass though
there goes that site
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>「たろう観光ホテル」

Anyone know what たろう might be here?
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>>102097263

Knowing the correct terminology for linguistic terms is not required to learn a language. I can be fluent at English without knowing what a gerund is.

Knowing the main radical of a kanji doesn't matter anymore with resources like Jisho radical search and the google translate sketchpad to look them up.
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>>102097823
http://travel.rakuten.co.jp/hotel/31071/31071.html?s_kwcid=AL!3684!3!35528411261!e!!g!!%E3%81%9F%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86%E8%A6%B3%E5%85%89%E3%83%9B%E3%83%86%E3%83%AB&ef_id=UqPAKAAAAJJ5if3U:20140214234659:s
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>>102097963
I'm not saying it is required to learn the language, but being able to learn the language even if you learn radicals in the wrong way doesn't make it right.
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>>102098208
>http://travel.rakuten.co.jp/hotel/31071/31071.html?s_kwcid=AL!3684!3!35528411261!e!!g!!%E3%81%9F%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86%E8%A6%B3%E5%85%89%E3%83%9B%E3%83%86%E3%83%AB&ef_id=UqPAKAAAAJJ5if3U:20140214234659:s

So it was just a part of the name then. As an aside, apparently that hotel got rekt by a tsunami.
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>火病
>Korean Anger Syndrome

Why are Koreans so angry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCZTkk-JxOo
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>>102099532
it has something with eating dogs
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>>102099532
Koreans want to be a protectorate of China, like they always were before the Japanese liberated them.
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>宮古市はこれから20年の間に、いちばん多い場合は全部で約2億円かかると考えています

宮古市 is thinking that, during the next 20 years, the best of many cases will all require around 200 million yen.

Is that an okey translation? What bothers me is いちばん多い and 全部で.
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>>102099532
Korea is the example of what Japan would look like if everything went wrong
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>>102100477
Yes, that's all correct.
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>>102100477
>the best of many cases
It is "the more frequent cases", or "in the most predictions"
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>>102099532

GIVE ME DOKDO OR GIVE ME DEATH
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>>102100930

Yea, that does sound better.
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>>102100477

Now this one.

>宮古市は「たくさんの人に寄付をお願いしたいです。そして、たろう観光ホテルを見て、津波の怖さを知ってほしいと思います」と言っています

宮古市 wants to thank the many people who have donated. And then, they wish for 観光ホテル to be seen, and for fear of tsunami to be known.

Also, in general, how do I know if たろう観光ホテルを見て、津波の怖さを知ってほしい isn't

たろう観光ホテルを見てほしい、津波の怖さを知ってほしい

Is it just contextual?
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>>102100477
Miyako is a city, not a person. Hard to tell exactly what it's talking about just from that sentence.
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>>102101843

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10015205751000/k10015205751000.html

It's from here, if you're interested.
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>>102101812
>wants to thank the many people who have donated.
There's nothing about thanking anyone there. Where did you get that from? The rest is correct.

>Also, in general, how do I know if たろう観光ホテルを見て、津波の怖さを知ってほしい isn't

>たろう観光ホテルを見てほしい、津波の怖さを知ってほしい

>Is it just contextual?

There's not really any difference except that the second one sounds awkward as fuck. It would be like saying. "I want people to see the Hotel and I want people to know the fearsomeness of the Tsunami."
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>trying to translate some lyrics on my own
>"okay, so this is what I understood"
>compare with a fansub translation
>...
JP:靴擦れだらけの狭い世界で
EN:In a cramped world with no breathing room
>靴擦れだらけ, 世界... cramped world, o-okay
JP:背伸びしていたんだ
EN:I was trying to be someone i'm not

Never look only at the most popular definition of a word.
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/125006/m0u/
It was the second one, of course.

Anyway, I think "translate and compare" might be a good exercise to see if you understand things correctly.
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Sorry to "barge in" like this but I would like a second opinion in this series, named "Itoshi no Karin" page 15 Chapter 8, alas I dont know where one can find it in Japanese but does it really translates to "I love you"?
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>>102102316
Find and post the page or fuck off.

In fact, just fuck off.
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>>102102074
>There's nothing about thanking anyone there. Where did you get that from? The rest is correct.

Don't know, really. Is is something like, I want to ask people for donations.
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>>102102161
I wouldn't say that because a lot fansubing and scanlating is shit and not reliable. It takes a lot of reading to make progress in this sort of thing (such as understanding common metaphors of the language like 背伸びする), there's no way around t.
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>>102100620
>Korea is the example of what Japan will look like once Abe is finished taking a steaming shit on the country
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>>102102358
Yes. That's it.
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>>102102358
Miyakoshi wants to ask for many donations from many people.
And then, MIyakoshi thinks would like you to see Tarou Kankou Hotel and know the scariness of tsunamis.
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>>102102433

Neat. Thanks for the help.
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>>102102545
> for many donations
for donations*
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why did i let you people trick me into updating to anki 2
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>>102102545
Thanks google translate
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oh' tae kim, you lovable scamp you.
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>>102102650
because being able to sync with Anki Web is good
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>>102102780
I just have a little go-down with typos.
> MIyakoshi thinks would like you to see
Miyakoshi thinks it would like you to see*
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>>102102376
If another translation makes more sense to you than your own then why not?
For the rest I agree, I feel like I would need a lot more experience if I wanted to understand more complex phrases (metaphors, figures of speech, etc.).
That's why learning 15k words, 2k kanji and some grammar is not the true goal.
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>>102102780
>google translate
Miyako has said, "I think and. Would like to ask for donations to a lot of people, to see the tourist hotels will Taro, and want to know the fear of tsunami"
>I think and.
>and period
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みなさんは、Google翻訳をからかうが、それは実際にはかなり良い日本語に英語のテキストを翻訳
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>>102103577
私は抱き合わせている翻訳
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>>102103577
I want to fuck you in the ass
私はお尻であなたをファックしたい
Thank you google.
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>>102103804
私はあなたのペニスを吸うことはできますか?
Holy shit, this is a lot better than the average Japanese people post here.
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>>102103962
>私はあなたのペニスを吸うことはできますか?
どうぞ
ホモではない
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>>102103962
>Holy shit, this is a lot better than the average Japanese people post here.
>>102103804
The joke here is that it says that "I want to fuck you with my ass".
It's just horribly mechanical.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNtvowbXsw

Naaaisu baaaicool
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You are very good at Japanese.
Are you not actually Japanese?
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it's not me!
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>>102104267
>You are very good at Japanese.
ふざけるなおい
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>>102104267


ぶっと   よあ    もっま    いっす
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>>102104192
>srow moshion
>naisu baiku
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Why is ADJG so fucking good
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>>102104323
僕じゃない!
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>>102104192
>明日も続きますこのシリーズ。。。ほんとすいませんでした
なんであんなに謝るの?面白いから別にいいんだけど。
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>>102104771
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugPr6QcigeE
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>>102104889
Thank you.
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>>102104889
What a shit song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-oMvTk0SAo
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>>102104779
Apologizing is Japanese style.
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>>102105151
ごめんなさい
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>>102105268
Not sincere enough. Please do it right kudasai.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZcEwHBAk8
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>>102105103
>POMFしか知らない子供たち
I still prefer some "shit" J-Pop
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>>102105443
Pop in any nation, belonging to any genre, will be shit, the only two exceptions I can think of are kyary pamyu and 椎名林檎, and even she isn't my favorite. Everything else is probably safely shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3NpzsqhC3g
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>>102105394
片ひざをついてお辞儀 is the only one worth using! The description of it is so funny.
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>>102105887
>!
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>>102105700
This is off topic as all fuck, but pop that retains some aspect of culture, whatever the fuck that may be, is always better than the usual output. In japan's case, it seems to be that shibuya-kei noise and shoegaze, which is also noise, but more like a warm nap next to a power line instead of a shitty one where your JPGF complains that you're sleeping instead of listening to her..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPT8d1TGZ-8
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>>102106022
>This is off topic as all fuck
If you're posting Japanese music then I think everyone will be fine with it.
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>>102105954
すみませんでした
*片ひざをついてお辞儀*
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>>102041429
i started learning kanji individually and now i got a really really solid radical knowledge, now i have almost no trouble learning new kanjis composed of the simple kanji

also learning individual kanjis is fun
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>>102106495
I learned all the radicals in the course of one day with Anki, which made memorizing new kanji very easy. I intend to learn kanji indepth individually after I've got a solid grasp of reading and a 10k+ vocab.

It just doesn't make sense to learn something that you won't be using for a long time. Regular use is what really drives it into your brain.
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>>102106495
how exactly do you learn them? I just started with reading and writing after already building up vocabulary through listening for the past five months. I started learning with Genki but I am not sure if I am doing it right. Should I just learn how to write+meaning+On/Kun yomi? Or should I learn which words it's being used as well+the other Kanji in that word? Sorry if I am asking too much..
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Anyone living in Japan and having to deal with this huge dump of snow?

Shit. We got 4 feet here. Most we've gotten in thirty years, apparently. So ready to spend my day showevling.
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>>102107004
Not in Japan but the this year has been awfully severally very cold. Starting to get better though here.
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思ったことを結構はっきり言ってくるその性格は、俺的にかなり好ましい。

I can't tell if he's saying he like that kind of personality or if that person is nice to him.
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>>102107802
I really like that personality to say clearly what's on their mind.
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>>102106901
honestly its best to ignore the readings independent of vocabulary. while its sometimes helpful the effort probably isnt worth the benefit.

itll delay you from reading native materials and while concept to kanji has tons of exceptions, readings have an order of magnitude more.
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南斗乱れる時北斗現る
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>>102109202
おめえ
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もう時間だ
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恐れ入りますが、私の性器をおしゃぶりくださいませんでしょうか。
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Why should I bother actively learning kanji at all? If I want to play vns I can hook something up to it to put everything into kana if I want read manga I have furigana if I want to actually speak the language I'll speak it. The only real use it would have is with neckbeards on the internet who would completely understand what I say and if I just say sorry for kana I'm new hehe I'd avoid their non kanji autism rage.


Also would it be possible to get a grasp on kanji by just reading a fuckton of reading manga with furigana and you just get used the shapes?
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>>102111276
Suck my cock, dude.
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>>102111276
不可能(ちんぽ)だ
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>>102111276
>if I just say sorry for kana I'm new hehe
I won't even read your sentence if its only in kana.
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>>102111276
>Also would it be possible to get a grasp on kanji by just reading a fuckton of reading manga with furigana and you just get used the shapes?
No.
Only a disgusting weaboo or a typical normie would think such a shitty, half-assed plan would do anything to teach their defective brains Japanese.
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>>102111276
>learning kana at all
All you need is kanji. You can ignore everything else.
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>>102111453
>>102111517
>implying I wouldn't know just from context
>>102111691
>>102111948
This thread preaches non stop "do what you want" "whatever method works for you" I have told you why I wouldn't need kanji at all. All I asked was what would I need it for? No need to be so defensive
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>>102112212
is there a name for a person/archetype that speaks entirely in compounds?

other than "chink"
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>>102111276
>>102112731
ユダヤ人の一人がスレに入り込んだらしい
ここから漢字を使いましょう。そうしなければ、龍の血を引くこいつが騒ぐことになるんでしょう
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>>102112731
>>102112820
Everyone hates you.
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>>102112731
>WAT WUD I NED KANJI 4?!?!?

To fucking read, you dolt.
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>>102113107
>>102112731
かんじなんてあんなにひつようじゃないとおもうんだが。ほら、このぶんしょうはよみやすくてべつにわかりづらくないよね。みんながかなをつかったほうがいいよ!むぐ・・
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>>102112949
??????

I'm not even the other guy
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>>102112889
>龍の血を引く
意味を教えてください
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How hard is the language in the Persona series? I'd imagine a lot of it being easy, being in a basic school setting and all, but some of the plot shit might be way too hard to compensate for that. Anyone have any experience?
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>>102113577
>I'm not even the other guy
Alright let me let break it down for you
>the guy is an idiot
>the guy is a shithead
>the guy has shitty ideas and shitty opinions
>everybody hates him
There we go.
>??????
A single one will do.
>>102113607
Reptilian creatures like Jews, which are descended from dragons, have trouble learning the any language in the 漢字文化圏.
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>>102113685
Find a let's play and see what you understand. What are Let's Plays called in japanese? Someone else might know because I don't watch them but I think it start's with a 実.
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>>102112889
A jew really?

>>102112949
don't know why you would think we are the same posters

>>102113107
Give me one sentence I would actually encounter reading manga an vns that could not be understood solely with kana and context. I will wait. How do you think people speak japanese I wonder?


I seriously have no idea why you guys are so mad. I just asked a simple question.Besides one person no one has even addressed what I said with a rebuttal just no u r tard. I'm having trouble not laughing what a strange thing to get mad over.
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>>102114033
実況プレイ
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>>102113890
>A single one will do.
a single one doesn't capture my perplexion right now

I'm starting to think you're touched in the head
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>>102113890
Why has this picture been posted so much recently? I like Jew talk as much as the next guy, but it's coming up at least once a thread now.
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>>102114048
>Give me one sentence I would actually encounter reading manga an vns that could not be understood solely with kana and context
God I hate people who are this stupid. I can't believe I have to explain something like this to this fucking shitass Jew.
Here's a pic from 村正. Why don't you go dig in your ass on the playground instead of shitting around here.
>>102114313
I see right through your shitty attempt attempt at subterfuge you little shit.
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>>102114445
> I like Jew talk as much as the next guy, but it's coming up at least once a thread now.
Just so we can label these idiot kindergarteners as Jews so they'll hopefully shut their fucking lids.
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>>102114048
Here. Read this.
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>>102114471
are you fucking stupid? I said with furugana and for vns a text hook up that would change kanji to kana

>>102114825
now tell me does that have furigana
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>>102113441
whydoyouneedspacesinenglishspacesandpunctuationareuselessbecauseyoucanstillreadthis
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>>102114881
> text hook up that would change kanji to kana
You realize that doesn't actually work right? It's easier than machine translation, but still difficult. There are plenty of situations where any machine will translate to kana incorrectly.
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>>102114881
> and for vns a text hook up that would change kanji to kana
That is a vn. It's not supported by a text hooker. Try again.
Can you just go the fuck away? This thread is for people who want to learn the language, not third graders with innocent "master plans" about how their going to read the language without actually learning 95% of what the written language is composed.
It's not going to fucking work out. Plan and simple. Shut up.
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>>102114471
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>>102114895
that does not bother me at all

>>102114960
thank you
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>>102114895
それはほんの冗談だ
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>>102114988
It's to easy to distort the results by painting over the you part, I don't believe you.
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>>102115101
>that does not bother me at all
Precisely, languages have a lot unnecessary stuff, but that doesn't mean its very smart to completely gloss over learning them or to not use them when using the language yourself.
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>>102112731
>This thread preaches non stop "do what you want"

The thread preaches "do it however you want", not "do what you want".
There's a difference between learning a language with a different approach and butchering so you have to less things to study.
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>>102115202
No you're destroying your point here. It makes things easier. It's not unnecessary, and that's not why he has to learn kanji. Kanji is absolutely necessary. Whilespaceshavenotalwaysexistedineuropewordseperatorshavebeenaroundsinceancienttimes.
Astringoflettersnomatterhowmuchyouthinkitbeunecessaryissimplygoingtoleadtoanumberofproblemsespeciallywitheincreasesinthelengthofthesentenceandespeciallyinshitlikehandwriting.
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>>102115197
missed again, faggot
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>>102106892
is there a specific anki deck that teaches you the radicals?
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>>102115688
God I wish we had a guide that discussed these exact things, but I guess we don't.
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What's the etiquette on editing the sticky reading list? I have some games that fit in pretty well.
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>>102115939
>What's the etiquette on editing the sticky reading list?
None really. Just look at the information in the others and try to answer what you can, and put a little description of it. Anybody is welcome, and encouraged, to add to it.
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>>102115939
Everyone seems to do whatever the fuck they want in it, so just copy whichever of the existing samples are already there.
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>>102114881
Kanji is just really important and furigana isnt everywhere
Also if you learn kanji you won't have to input text all the time, saving time in the long run
If many people say to do one thing, its probably right in this case
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>>102115688
>むんむん
>熱気やにおいがこもっているようす
卑猥な擬態語談論
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人は殺されれば死ぬ
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whoever gets the 500th post will be a nihongo master
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wtf why is ha pronouced wa
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>>102117294
>>102117224
Oh no.
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>>102117224
あっ
>>102117294
クソ
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wat
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Stacking conjugations is confusing me a bit. What does it mean if something is in the imperative and potential form? Those are exclusive in english.

I'm looking at the second line below:

>あそこからいと引いて...
>中野さんめっちゃえろ...
>俺もちょっと... こーふんしてきちゃった

That reminds me, artists on Pixiv absolutely love ellipses.
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>>102118327
dottodottodotto
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>マワす
>to gang-rape
I was just trying to look up whether 回す was transitive or intransitive, but that's also certainly good to know.
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>>102118327
めっちゃえろ is not a verb. It's めっちゃ (an adverb) plus えろ, which comes from えろい (it's common to leave off -い when exclaiming).
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>>102118482
That's what I get for relying too much on Rikaisama.

Thank you.
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>>102118102
擬音語
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>>102103577
日本語でおk
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>>102118451
It ends in す so it's always going to be transitive.
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>>102118102
What do you mean with what?
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>>102119167
>>102118665

this anon explained it, i need to remember the onomatopoeia dictionaries
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>>102119199
Does Riakisama not have it listed for you?
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>>102119234

i have a default install of rikaikun (the chrome version) that only shows this
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>>102119391
My からから entry on rikaisama shows
>(adj-na,adv,vs,adj-no,on-mim,adv-to) parched; dried-up; rattle; clatter; loud laughter
I'm not the biggest fan of firefox, but rikaisama is so many, many times better than rikaichan that you'd be crazy not to switch.
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>>102119470

Urk.. I hate firefox so much though..
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>>102119703
It was a hard switch, but you'll get used to it. In fact, I've come to like it more than chrome. Chrome has kind of lost what made it cool in the first place anyhow.



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