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>Some people still think broadswords are better than katanas
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>>102011624
Western propaganda.
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>>102011624
but that katana evaporated moments later.
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>>102011515
She never fails to want me to stick my dick into her mouth,.
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How much of a goddamn slut do you have to be that even your fists blush?
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>>102012146
You got your rape scene retconned. That's how much of a slut she is.
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>>102012146
Only pure maidens blush, sluts have no shame.
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Daily reminder
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>>102011515
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>>102012322
That's what happens when you mock a cold steel broadsword.
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Because katanas weren't designed to hit something hard. Every time you see two katanas touch during a sword fight it's complete bullshit. Both would be ruined after almost any amount of blade-to-blade contact.
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>>102012322
My dick was/is rock solid reading this scene.

Why do I love seeing strong women completely humiliated and defeated so much?
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>I-I will just leave it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc
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>>102012460
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>>102012460
Because it frustrates you that you will never grow up to be one yourself, that you will always be trapped in the body of a little girl.
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>>102011624
>>102012357
I'm sick of all this "Katanas: 0 European swords: 1" bullshit.

Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
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Implying that the Japanese will ever show their glorious Katana-chan in a bad light.
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Someone post the picture of Goku breaking a Katana.
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"Do not yearn for katanas and tantos created by famous masters. A katana or tanto worth 10,000 pieces can be defeated by 100 yari (spears) each costing a 100 pieces. It is better to purchase 100 spears and arm 100 spearmen, in this way you can defended yourself in time of war." (Toshikage Jushichikajo, 1480)
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>>102012490
>>102012322

I didn't know this was dark stuff, when i first watched the show and dropped it after the first anime i thought it would be like happy happy romance action.

It maybe was like that in the show but occured later in the mango though
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>>102012631
after the first episode i meant.
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>>102012460
>>102012322
I want to see more like this in manga. Gets my dick harder than anything.
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>>102012631
>sentient loli sword cock slave
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>>102012505
Katanas: fight stupid internal war
European Swords: conquer the world
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>>102012686
European longswords are worse because they have pummels.

it fucks with the balance and makes them heavier and harder to move.
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>>102012686
Neither of those were primary weapons. You are wrong on both counts.
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>>102012322
>>102012460
Didn't the author retcon this because of the enormous butthurt and backlash?
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>>102012686
>European Swords: conquer the world
Except for Katana-wielding Japan.
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>>102011515
You are aware that katanas are made specifically for cutting and broadsword do a worst job on that but also are great to crush bones like ribs, aren't you?
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>>102012706
What?

I'm too lazy to search for a fitting reaction image, so I ask you to imagine a person looking at you like you just said something really stupid.
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>>102012713
yes
they made it so he was castrated or something
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The style for the anime reminds me of something, what else has the lead animator done?
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>>102012485
>doing a review with only opinions
>owns only a toy katana
>can't even swing properly and most likely autistic
Gr8 b8 m8, 11/10.
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>>102012682
w-what
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>>102011515
>Some people still think that either are better than none.
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>>102012713
In the original novels she was clearly raped. In the manga they changed it from the butthurt so her being sexually assaulted, but not penetrated since the guy is apparently has no dick (i'm being serious here, that's what he says)

Time to go read some fatalpulse doujins

Actually does anyone have any recommendations as to any doujins that are similar to the scene in this thread?
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>>102012706
The whole fucking point of a pommel is to help with the balance of the sword
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>>102012505
I know this is a joke but, I'm sure the katana wielders were targeted first because they were easy targets
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>>102012739
>broadsword does a worse job cutting

Uh, a broadsword is capable of cutting a man in half. The Katana is a finesse weapon, a broadsword is brute strength.
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>>102012813
>However, by that time, I'd have already attached my image to my post.
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>>102012829
she deserved it
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>>102011515

Sounds interesting, is this worth watching?
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>>102012888
No.
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>>102012460
Speaking of strong women completely humiliated and defeated
Anybody have any similar sadpandas?
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>>102012706
Pommel acts a counterweight so it actually makes the sword handle BETTER.

Anyway, they are swords intended for different tasks. And all designs that you can find in Japanese swords have also been present in European/Mediterranean ones as well, at least at some point of time. For example, pattern welding ("folding the steel a thousand times") was used as early as the second century in Europe. It fell out of fashion because ways for making better steel were invented so uniform blade was "good enough" (and in some regards better).
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>>102012706
Dumbest fucking post or the greatest trolling attempt I have read this year by far.
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>>102012888
Watching? Not even remotely
Reading? Sure
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>>102012959
Excellent tastes and compelling arguments
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neither is necessarily better
long swords tended to be more versatile and strong
while katanas tend to be faster and tended to be a bit more sharp but brittle
another thing most people don`t know is that katanas would not clash very often when used properly because if they did a katana would have a 1-2 fight lifespan
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You guys might wanna check this guy out, it may help clearing out a lot of the common bullshit and misconceptions I often see in threads like this.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt14YOvYhd5FCGCwcjhrOdA
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>>102012460
Totally her fault for having such a delicious body combined with red hair. Its enough to stir any man's loins.
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>>102012903
>>102013003

Thanks
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>>102012712
Because at that point we had guns to do the job
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/k/ plsgo
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>>102013025
Besides, I might also point out that longswords have gained an autistic cult following very similar to katans' after anons found out that Lindybeige video where he talks about jap swords.
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Rapier here.

Katana a shit.

Poke poke poke.
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>>102013059
Okay, I am fucking sick and fucking tired of these fucking threads about rape! RAPE IS NOT FUCKING FUNNY! Joke about anything else you want, /a/...

Joke about cp, joke about loli, joke about murder, joke about drugs, but DON'T FUCKING JOKE ABOUT RAPE! Rape DESTROYS a woman, it STRIPS HER OF HER HUMANITY! It is disgusting, inhumane, regressive and insane. RAPE IS OFF THE FUCKING TABLE, /a/, NOT EVEN YOU FUCKING VIRGIN ASSHOLES CAN BE SUCH FUCKHOLES THAT YOU JOKE ABOUT A WOMAN'S WOMANHOOD BEING VIOLATED!

And no, I am not some lesbian dyke cunt, I am a woman, I was raped. My virginity was taken from me, I can never give it to a man I love. I was raped again and again and again and again and again by a random stranger when I was 15, I wanted to fucking kill my fucking self. IS THAT FUCKING FUNNY? FUCK NO YOU FUCKHOLES!

Go back to making waifu threads, /a/, you fucking aardvarks
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>>102013114
seriously? you want to actually challenge me on this one? OK you fucken moron, yu just unleashed hell on yourself. here are some facts about medieval japan. first: their weaponry was the finest in the world for hundreds of years. did you know that katanas have maintained the same design they had since like the 12th century? no you didn't know that because youre a fucking moron. katanas are perfection, and they never changed the design because ITS A FACT THAT YOU CANT IMPROVE PERFECTION. second: japans economy even to this day has always been the most independently strong in the world. the west had to colonise huge areas over the entire europe continent, then africa, then america, and they still struggled even with all their land and people. meanwhile japan is a tiny island all this time and guess what? THE EMPEROR WAAS MAKING MORE MONEY THATN ANY ENGLISH KING OR QUEEN COULD EVER HOPE. not to mention that each shotgun in japan was 500% richer amd more influential then all the lords and dukes of the west combined.
I can go all day
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Battle axe here

Fuck all of you


Please love me
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>>102013111
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4Ng6DBfrg
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>>102013142
trigger warning: rape
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>>102013142
You posted on 4chan expecting common decency? I don't condone rape but honestly, what the fuck were you expecting?

I just took the goddamn bait didn't I?
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>>102012914
This this this
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>>102013114
Sword here

Fuck you, your are a disgrace
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>>102013209
Yes, you fucking did.
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>>102013025
>long swords tended to be more versatile and strong
Long swords are not especially durable by design, it depends on the quality of metal. Vast majority of European swords were made out of crap iron and were just as brittle, if not more brittle, than your average Katana (which were also for the most part made out of inferior iron).

You start seeing super high quality swords in Europe when they start trading with the Middle East and India, which is how they acquire high quality ores and learn superior metalcrafting. There are even a few Viking swords made out of what metallurgists suspect to be the same ore used in Damascus steel swords, and were clearly forged differently from other swords of their era. To get a sword of that quality you'd have to use crucible steel.

So yeah, Europe had access to superior metals and forging techniques later on, which gave them a pool of high quality weapons far superior to anything in Japan, albeit these were exceptions, not the rule.
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>>102012829
>ln's not translated
Oh well.
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>>102012829
I thought in the novel he beats the shit out of her and breaks her mentally then says something along the lines of "shes not worth raping" because he hates her that much
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>>102013186
>Not Halberd

Pleb detected
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>>102013297
Saw a documentary about those viking swords. They all had the same name and were so superior to the usual blades around that time that copycat brands appeared trying to mimic them.
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>>102013233
How Luke isn't giving all 3 deep dickings is beyond me.
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>>102013373
Too busy ejaculating into his forge I bet.
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>>102012914
>>102013227
I have a few.

http://exhentai.org/g/360642/33c35b60ae/
http://exhentai.org/g/374881/8941e92552/
http://exhentai.org/g/415155/6a2a9f9c6f/
http://exhentai.org/g/440166/4995f61693/
http://exhentai.org/g/503113/26bcc2f158/
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>>102013209
>>102013279

Thanks for the first good laugh of the day /a/
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>>102013402
>wasting semen on the forge
>not getting your extremely beautiful sentient rapier pregnant

confirmed for able to bear children too
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>>102013402
Well-endowed girls that never asked for large tits and feel embarrassed about them are arousing.
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Two handed greatswords>Polearms>shit>Katanas
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>>102013615
Cecily is quite the semen demon
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>>102011515
But they are...
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>>102012844
Japanese drew sword when they made an assault, so dude with swords were shot first because a guy with sword in a brawl is shitton more terrifying than a guy with a rifle. Also its good idea to shoot officers first and lot of the officers would come out with the sword out.
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>melee clowns thinking they're the deadliest

Oh you guys.
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>>102011515
MAGIC
KATANA
WORLD
Fuck, how is this still a thing. Katanas made through magic means shouldn't have to follow physics.
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>>102013786
It's still true.
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If Katana is so good, why were Samurai traditionally horse mounted archers, and if they weren't in an archery situation use a naginata instead?
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>>102013700
>Japanese drew sword when they made an assault
They used WW1 tactics in WW2?

Only Russia can get away with that
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>>102013472
>>102013673
Lisa was the only reason to watch this show, and I'm not even a lolicon.
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>>102013852
Stop citing history, it will only make them madder
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>>102013360
Probably Ulfberht.
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>>102013852
Because the katana made things too easy and they wanted to handicap themselves.
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>>102013728
>Archer kiddie thinking that bows will ever last
The 16th century onward says hi.
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>>102013944
Yup, that's the name.
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>>102011515
fucks sake. can't even get away from the debate even on the internet.

rapier > all swords except them two handed longswords if you're really good. Katana is a single edged longsword mired in art and pretense and is ultimately just an ordinary weapon
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>>102013852
Except they didn't. The battlefield spear was a Yari, the Naginata was used by warrior monks, or women.
Foot soldiers had a yari for actual combat use, and a Katana for last resort. You don't pull your sword unless your spear is broken or unusable.
Calvary wasn't always used, most samurai weren't horse-mounted archers.

>>102013875
No, they didn't. The leader of the assault drew his sword for morale. All Japanese soldiers had batch-printed imitation swords from stainless steel, both as a symbol, and as a last resort weapon.
The "Banzai" suicide attacks from sword wielding Japanese who were out of ammo and found a place to hide and lurk were devestating, and caused a shitload of casualties for the U.S, so i wouldn't dismiss it as being too stupid.
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>>102014043
honorable mention to flangers or whatever though those guys are fascinating
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>>102013852
Swords were almost never used as primary weapon anyway with few exceptions (Roman legions at some time periods, some cavalry types during Napoleonic wars...). You could have an imaginary "best sword in the world" and it probably still wouldn't be used as primary weapon.
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>>102014054
Just like my Shogun 2

>Banzai was devastating
They lost a ton of soldiers trying to initiate successful Banzais
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>>102014043
>Rapier
Although this is poor trolling, from every kind of awesome sword in the world you chose the lamest one possible?
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>>102011515
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikVMXhcjbYc
turkish/turkic sabres are best
others are shit tier
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>>102013976
Worked good until people figured out a group of guys on horse with 6 flintlock pistols each strapped to his chest could use a carousel formation in front of them, shooting the shit out of them until they broke.

Gustavus Adolphus proved this.

He also proved monarchs should never charge into battle
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>>102014159
how dare you contradict me asshole I have never been so offended in all my life
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>>102014140
>They lost a ton of soldiers trying to initiate successful Banzais

Until they started doing those only when out of ammo instead of as a battle tactic. It caused a shitton of casualties for the U.S until they started using flamethrowers on random bushes and trees, suspecting there might be attackers there.
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>>102013025
Longswords are faster than katanas and have better balance and reach while weighing as much as a katana. Longsword were also made from better quality steel.
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Modern tank here, you are all faggots.
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>>102014162
deadliest warrior is top tier comedy.
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Why is this narrator main guy so fucking awesome and intelligent?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
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>>102012505
Then why does Japan have shit quality steel, compared to italy, US, or Spaine?
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>>102011515
depends on the place. Katanas were developed in japan since it was the best suited in that setting, same goes with the broadsword.
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>>102014233
>glorified car
could cut in half with my katana really easily.
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>>102014233
BUT MUH KATANA CAN CUT THROUGH THAT LIKE ITS PAPER DUE TO SUPERIOR ANCIENT NIPPON TECHNOLOGY
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>>102014227
>Comparing utterly different types of swords
>"Better balance"

Things don't work that way. One katana can have a better balance than another katana, but comparing balance for swords meant for different types of use? you can't really do that.
Going by that reasoning, the chinese Jian is the #1 best balanced sword in the world.
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>>102014233
People would boycott you in blade fair.
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>>102014233
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Did that show have any point besides having a bunch of katanas each episode and having the main girls piece of steel chest plate explode to show her boobs? because thats all i remember about it. I think there was a loli elf in the show too.
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>>102013976
Bows continued to be better than firearms until 19th century... assuming a skilled enough user and sufficiently good infrastructure for producing and transporting bows and arrows (musket balls are trivial to cast in particular).
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>>102014288
Because no iron veins. They had to extract their iron from iron-rich sand via furnace.
It gives off really shitty iron, but kudos for them to find ways to make pretty good stuff from it.
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>>102012505
Tell me this is copy pasta.
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>>102014233
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ZeD40Rg8A
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>>102014233
40 year old tank that can still take on modern tanks
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>>102014359
It is.
I know I saw an Optimus Prime version of this on some dark corner of the internet
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>>102014353
huh well thanks for the nugget of info.
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>>102014297
I have really bad humor but when people type in caps and mention NIPPON i start to laugh.
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>>102014373
Bullshit, desert storm proved this otherwise.
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>>102014233
>leopard 2 a shit

Do you even T-72?
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>>102012505
even I know it's a joke, but using a $20000 katana on lumps of steel? only ones that cost that much are the traditionally made ones (as in authentic as hell but hence shitty). nobody would ever dare use it on literally anything, they'd buy a $120 cutter and use that.
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>>102014373
Nigga are you kidding me? The israelis shit all over the T64's with fucking centurions. A T72 might stand a slight chance though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnSpzfP4vs

Just gonna leave this here. You people obviously don't know shit about swords.
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>>102014458
Who are you quoting?
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>>102013728
>>102013976

It's funny that the combination of archers and polearms dominated the battlefield for a good time.
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>>102014457
uhhh T-72 tanks used by untrained sand niggers are gonna loose. the T-72 was the watered down economical version of a T-64 which was never exported outside of the USSR
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>>102014457
>>102014468
T-64s never left Russia.

You're thinking of the T-62. Yes, there is a difference.

No the T-64 won't beat a modern MBT and they've pretty much been scrapped
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>>102014485
>LARP is real life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7elf_RBBuU#t=360
you interupted my loli ear licking for your autism. just so you know.
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>>102014468
Israelis never fought T-64s and the m60s and what ever T model captures they had could never get in range of their SACLOS atgm
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>>102014572
well shit.. I messed up
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>>102014288
That's bait anon.
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>>102014459
Modern nihonto are made with better quality steel than those made 300 years ago etc., and are far from being shitty.
They are being used by high-level iaidoka.
Even Iaidoka that has only recently been qualified to use a shinken use high quality modern replications, that cost anywhere between 800 to 3000$.
Nobody uses shitty 100-200$ "swords" except from american kids who want to play kill bill.
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How so? Its a fact.
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>>102014485
>furry avatar
And you expect me to take that guy seriously?
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Tanks are outdated. HAARP will completely redefine warfare if it's ever let loose and acredited for it's effects
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>>102014233
>insert BRRRRRT joke here
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>>102014656
>Nobody uses shitty 100-200$ "swords"

except anyone who cares about their actual ones. you know the thing about swords? they're ultimately toys and super fucking expendable. but anything that costs 1k or more isn't. better to use a crap house $200 bottom end 'katana' than risk putting a notch on an actual one. no weeaboo though
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>>102014707
You have now realized2014 was the birth year of EVAs
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>>102014707
Thats like saying planting rat with the black plague and having them infest a country is the greatest war implementation ever.
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>>102014457
I believe the Russians called the export versions "Monkey Tanks" for a reason
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>>102012357
weeaboo's mad yo
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>>102014725
You slow, silly ground pounders just don't know what's what
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>>102014703
>Taking anything in a Blacksmith thread seriously
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>>102014783
More like " naked Monkey Tanks" they didnt even have basic gear. It was extra like the hand crank or modern sights or even a fucking radio.
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>>102014824
Fgs wrong fucking anon, really meant to quote:
>>102014458
>>102014373
>>102014233
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>>102014824
>euroshitter typhoon
>better than anything
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I laugh all the time at you faggots who have never touched a katana, not even a bokken, nor read any books about the weapon. They were not and still are not shitty swords.

>there are probably people on /a/ right now who think samurai armor was made of wood
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>>102013142
You could have stayed in the kitchen m8.
>btw im a grill ;)
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>>102014703
Oddly enough, he's not wrong.
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Muh glorious Su-35
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>>102014879
Actually, yeah, he isn't.
And he doesn't seem all that retarded from his other videos...are furries starting to evolve or something?
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>>102014288
because outside of rusting inside out, how else would japan bait you into replacing your old datsun 280zx for a new shitty nissan 370z?
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>>102012959
That's a victory for longsword users

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdfx7l4z5cQ
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Can a longsword pull off the same stupid shit Machii Isao does?
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>>102014923
STARSCREAM WOULD RECK THAT
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>>102012959
Sayaka doesn't use katana
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>>102014824
Swedens shitty old JAS sells more than that overpriced piece of shit, and it's barely a 4th gen fighter jet.
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>>102014968
Probably.
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>>102014923
Stand aside, faggot.
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>>102014956
Fuck that Ill drive a BTR to work
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>>102014871
Iron scales and plates held together by rivets or leather thongs and weatherproofed with lacquer.

Full steel armor was made but extremely rare, Usagi Kenshin had a personal suit of steel armor.
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>>102015022
That thing got cancelled. Stay sad.
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>>102014459
what's actually funny is that 20K would not afford you a quality katana. quality blades can set you back a 1/4mil or more and have a wait list. the only thing 20K would get you is a shitty blade forged by a hydraulic press and chinese workers.
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>>102015022
>not posting the t-50
Supreme gay being detected
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>>102014968
No. But it'd be interesting to see someone try, or do shit adapted to longswords, too bad there is not a single yurosword user with even remotely good skills.
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Did this ever actually make it to final production or was it just a glorified tech experiment?
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>>102012713
yeah, his dick can't get it up anymore because autistic children cannot cope with reality
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>>102015076
>t-50 aka inferior raptor
I'm glad that person didn't.
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>>102015001
That image is meant to be rediculous, anon
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>>102015076
kak dela brat!
Sergie is here!
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>>102015118
Experiment. Interesting but apparently too unstable.
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The blade is more Japanese shaped than western.
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oh yeah?

fucking tonfa here. that's fucking right your little shitty thread just got turned upside down. tonfa can destroy anything. it can break through a longsword and a katana at the same time and then destroy a tank, knocking a bit of said tank into the air to destroy a fighter jet. yeah i'll bet you're feeling pretty fucking silly right now.
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plane stuff
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>>102015212
She also goes full iaido in Rebellion
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>>102014220
Jesus Christ thats so many levels of bullshit. Human-wave attacks were semi-doctrine for the IJA at the time. It worked surprisingly well against the Chinese but the overuse of this coupled with incorrect reports of its success (it REALLY didn't have any effect after the US stepped up its game) led to it being a popular way for commanders to die honourably for no purpose and massacre a load of their men. The IJA was forever low on essential supplies later in the war as everything good went towards the IJN first. So stop talking shit. The IJA were outdated for an Army at the time but were suited for their intended role i.e occupation and incapacitation of SE Asia. The Japs relied on their navy to rule and saw themselves as the superior naval power in the Pacific. The Army was promoted less and focused on less but did their job admirably enough and were well trained and disciplined. Sadly they met their match against the powerful US industrial machine and later the Soviet steamroller in the invasion of Manchuria.
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>>102015118
canceled, more modern stealth tech killed it and just after they fixed wing issue
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>>102014750
You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
Speaking strictly about Iaido and japanese swords-
90% of the use is dry-swinging in the air, be it suburi or kata. another 9% is dojo cutting, bamboo and tatami only.
A single precent or less is 2-man kata demonstration with light parrying.
Most Iaidoka do not replace their sword even once, with proper edge alignment (which you have to learn- and this is part of the reason why you go through 4-7 years before you're even allowed to use a live blade and not a blunt iaito) the sword receives no damage whatsoever from practice cutting.

200$ swords are machined blades with poor heat treating, even shitter workmanship, and low-quality materials.
You know why swords get so expensive? it's not only the blade, a set of medium-quality steel koshirae (the little metal bits, not including the hand guard) cost around 70-120$. The wrapping string on the handle costs between 40 to 160$ depending on length and the type you use, the hand guard alone costs between 100$ for a medium quality one, and up to 800+$ for a hand crafted piece.

I personally hold 3 1000$+ swords, and not once were they damaged in use.
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>>102015246
Forgot my plane related picture.
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>>102015287
>posting used goods
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>>102015051
>Usagi Kenshin
>usagi

Since when were rabbits allowed to be feudal lords?
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>>102015211
they fixed the wing durability issue. what killed it is that newer fighters with better stealth tech were produced for the same price point.
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>>102015191
Please
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I only just realized the impossible weird overlap of /a/ and /k/
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katanas were rarely used in battle and were used primarily in duels and were specialized for this katanas would be better compared to a rapier then a longsword because battlefield swords and dueling swords are both very different
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>>102015316
I would watch Cat shit One, Feudal Japan edition.
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FFFForgot my image
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>>102015316
when their skills speak for themselves.
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>>102015191
Fuck you buddy.
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>>102015212
That thing is a kyu-gunto, pretty much a katana blade with the nakago ground-down to fit a saber hilt.
used mainly by pilice forces after the meiji restoration and prohibition of owning a proper nihonto.
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>>102015051
It's Uesugi.
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>>102015384
it's uesugi you stupid fuck
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>Usagi
pic related

>>102015062
This is completely wrong, stop posting.
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>>102015371
Best girl. Anime when?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neNhB-M6Fqs
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>>102015357
does it help that im a /k/ommando
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>>102015316
Since forever
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>>102015417
You guys know that this armor is not legit and was made as part of some samurai game promotion or something right?
This type of armor did exist though.
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>>102015477
I see that you are a person with good taste.
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>>102015281
you are a fucking idiot. enjoy paying a fortune for a real sword and then damaging it on some test cut on something fucking ridiculous because of how much of a fucking idiot you are. i'll break my shitty $200 one and still have a real one.
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>>102015488
No, but I know he supposedly had European-style cuirass so it should still give a good idea what it looked like.
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>>102015614
>A real one
Enjoy your delusions. 3 years of actual use and not a single scratch, i'll take my chances "damaging it on some test cut".
Meanwhile, you can go back to playing nurutu.
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>>102015681
>know
Or let's say "have been lead to believe"
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>>102015754
>AMRY

muh english
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>>102015701
Swords did break and modern reproductions can break just the same. Swords with hard edges with softer core in particular are prone for chipping at the blade or bending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meln41VHxqs
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>>102015701
although now that i've though about it, the $200 one hasn't taken any damage either despite trimming my garden with it and a bunch of other stupid shit.

maybe the point in all this is that a cheap sword does what an expensive one does.
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>>102015754
I thought the army was full of normalfags. What are a bunch of weeaboos doing in the army? Weeaboos would never be in the army because they would rather die before do anything productive.
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>>102015614
You really have to be of particularly spectacular skill to irreversibly damage a sword during test cutting. Not that I'm an expert with over 300 confirmed cuts, but the only damage I saw occur during test cutting (by first-timers) was the blade bending a bit (easily fixed), and it only happened to cheap swords.
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Let's compare a weapon that was used on peasants and poor footsoldiers that only had cheap leather as armour, to a weapon that was used against heavily armoured infantry. Genius.
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>>102015810
It's USA MRY, MRY being short for military, numbnuts.
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>>102015912
Eh, it happens more than you think. The Army helps people into normalcy, but they still keep weird hobbies.
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>>102015912
Surprise, animu is common amongst normalfags since ~2008.
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>>102015992
If by normalcy you mean being an obedient drone, then yes, the army helps.
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>>102014359
Yup. Even has an article on 1d4chan

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Katanas_are_Underpowered_in_d20
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>>102015820
Yeah, and sometimes they were particularly resilient. Kondo Isami of the Shinsengumi relates what happened during the Ikedaya raid:

>We fought against a large number of rebels. The sparks flew. After we had fought for a couple of hours Nagakura’s sword had been broken in two, Okita’s sword had been broken off at the tip, the blade of Todo’s sword had been cut up like a bamboo whisk […] my sword, perhaps because it is the prize sword Kotetsu, was unscathed […] Although I have been in frequent battles […] our opponents were many and all courageous fighters, so that I nearly lost my life.
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>>102015912
Not sure if serious.
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Kris blades superior dog.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s0dRcdyizU

I'll just leave this here.
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>>102016262
>implying the retarded niggers of Asia could make anything worthwhile
Try again.
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>>102015845
Depends on steel type, heat treatment, and more.
The 200$~ ones are usually through-tempered thick spring steel blades.
They put emphasis on being able to cut and being very hard to damage.
Essentially, they're like sharpened crowbars.

So yeah, you have something that looks like a sword and can cut. But they are heavy, the balance is unbelievable shitty, the geometry is far from what a katana should be, and more.
On most of those, the kurikata (the loop on the saya where the sageo goes) is not positioned correctly, so even if you wanted to use it as a iaido practitioner- you can't. Physically, impossible.

Proper swords are differentially tempered, have harder edges, dull down a lot slower, and unless you especially order a super-beefy one, they're lighter.
They will usually be made with higher-carbon steels as well (T10 or 1080-1090 as opposed to 1045-1060 in backyard beaters)

I also have a 300$ sword for backyard shenanigans, but i wouldn't dare calling it a proper katana. It just isn't.
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>>102014203
:(
THE HOUSE OF VASA LIVES
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>>102015754
>>102015912
>>102015992
So Madoka is normalfag anime?
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>>102016090
Eh, you have to follow orders, but there are a lot of perks. Get some job training, good benefits, lackluster pay, job recognition. I mean you could say something like

>Good job fighting for the Jews

But I don't think it's nearly that bad. If anything you have a greater chance dying in a car wreck than in combat. There are still a few hot spots in sandniggerlands, but for the most part we are getting out.
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>>102012505
Nice copy pasta and i'm here to take the bait.
Katanas are weapons meant for slashing through thin leather armour (japan doesn't have many sources of iron so plate armour was a rarity and very pricy) while the broadswords that were created in Europe were meant to be able to go up against enemies in full plate. Also you should take into consideration the different fighting stiles when wielding those weapons. Typical combat with european broadswords involved knocking the enemies weapon aside with a heavy blow which would normally break a thin blade like the japanese katana. Also the main weapon of the japanese battlefields untill the 17th century was the Naginata (a sort of glaive which had a much longer range and combat capability) while the katana was viewed as a sidearm if you loose your main weapon.
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>>102016454
Pretty much. I mean, not too many people have seen the movies in comparison to the series, but still normalfags like it.
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>>102016454
Why do you think it is so popular and high-selling?
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>>102016457
>lackluster pay
Who gets into a job for lackluster pay?
>Not getting into business, making a decent salary, living frugally and retiring early
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>>102016454
These particular images were posted on /a/ when Madoka was still airing, particularly when the last two episodes got delayed.
There was at least one image of a stockpile of firearms with "For Homura, please return after Walpurgisnacht".
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>>102016516
>(japan doesn't have many sources of iron so plate armour was a rarity and very pricy)
Bullshit, samurai armor used iron to protect the most vital places, the rest was leather and this was due to weight and mobility considerations. And no broadsword or longsword has ever cut through plate armor.
>Typical combat with european broadswords involved knocking the enemies weapon aside with a heavy blow which would normally break a thin blade like the japanese katana
Do you absolutely not know anything about -sword combat?
>Also the main weapon of the japanese battlefields untill the 17th century was the Naginata
No, it was the yari.

Holy shit.
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>>102016623
I can understand in Japan, but why would gayjin normalfags like Madoka? I mean, it doesn't have tits and ass like Space Dandy and it isn't dark and edgy like Cowboby Bebop and it doesn't action packed like Samurai Shampoo.
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>>102016626
It tends to make up for it in benefits. Free healthcare, food, housing, a lot of personal assistance, College payments, and a few other non tangible ones. It helps a lot if you are an 18 year old and don't know how to really make it in the world.

Most people don't do it for a career (the officer side is different), but if they do, it's a pretty kick ass retirement package. It's a good gig for the first few years of your adulthood. If you are already squared away and can go out, manage your money/life, get a good job, and keep with it, the army probably doesn't seem as appealing. But if you need some help getting started and don't have anything against war or a very hierarchical system of employment, it can be worth it.
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>>102015079
No there are. They just don't want to waste their precious time on this shit. I'm applying for membership of a sword club next year. The leader of the club is a Bohemian sword-master. There are about 26 genuine master-class teachers in Europe when it comes to it (most of them are either in Austria, Germany or are working as instructors for the British nobles in their private schools).
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>>102016913
His point is valid about broadswords and longswords being more effective against plate armour, though.

Of course, that's due to the fact that they could crush bones and armour instead of slicing through it.
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>>102017065
Cute girls doing cute/"dark" things sells to just about anyone. It's not the most normal of the normal, but a fair amount of people can be convinced to watch it.
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>>102017076
Demonstrations of skill are not a waste of time. Nobody's heard of those guys, and for people not specifically interested in the subject the western martial sword arts scene is a joke.
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I see this shit thread on /tg/, I see this shit thread on /k/, and now I see this shit thread on /a/...
Fuck.
Go read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_swordsmithing
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>>102017202
I'm not exactly sure about longswords being able to crush armor.
There's some confusion on this matter anyway. According to some, knights actually fought by hitting each other with hammers. I wanted to find a historyl book in the same vein of Turnbull's stuff to clear this sort of thing up, but I couldn't.
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>>102014968
You mean precision cutting things that aren't tied down, or iai cutting bullets midair?
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>>102012505
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Katanas: 1 European swords: 0" bullshit.

Katanas deserve much worse than that. Much, much worse than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 120 Yen (that's about $1) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can't even cut wooden boards with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce some of the biggest pieces of shit known to mankind.
Katanas are barely half as sharp as European swords and half as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can't cut through at all. I'm pretty sure a katana would break trying to cut a knight wearing full plate with any kind of slash.
Ever wonder why feudal Japan never bothered conquering Europe? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Knights and their Oakeshott types X through XXII of destruction. Even in World War II, Japanese soldiers targeted the men with the mamelukes first because their killing power was feared and respected.
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You can't cut through 2mm steel plates (or rings for that matter). However, if you find yourself against armoured opponent and sword is the weapon you have at your disposal, one thing that you might try to do is to use the pommel and crossguard as a makeshift mace/axe: hitting the opponent with the heavier end (balance point of longswords tends to be at the crossguard) gives you extra oomph, and pommels might even be shaped a bit like a mace.

Another way is to grab the sword by the blade with your other hand to be able to deliver more powerful and precise thrusts, trying to aim for weaker spots like armpits or the visor. Or just wrestle the opponent down. But you're not going to cut through armor so there's no point in trying.
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Why the West never conquered Japan: We already had rice, why would we need to fuck around with a bunch of yellow monkeys?

Seriously, Japan had no notable resources during Europe's age of colonial expansion.
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>>102016516
>meant for slashing
Someone needs to read The Book of Five Rings.

Jokes aside, isn't there only like one remaining Master of Katana smithing left in Japan or something?

>>102018193
>Using the hilt for stun damage
Pic related.
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>>102018514
Europe never conquered any country with strength worth giving a damn during the colonial age.
There was no need to fight the Japanese anyway since the country got forcibly opened up for trade with no unified resistance, as people were too busy preparing a new civil war.

>>102018922
>Jokes aside, isn't there only like one remaining Master of Katana smithing left in Japan or something?
I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
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>>102014054
>The "Banzai" suicide attacks from sword wielding Japanese who were out of ammo and found a place to hide and lurk were devestating,

from a moral and freak out factor yes, casualty wise it usually ended with a few guys dead on the u.s side and every jap attacker ventilated with 30 caliber rounds. it was a stupid waste of man power.
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>>102014054
Naginata were also used by samurai, as were nodachi. But yeah the yari was the primary weapon, cavalry and archery were not always used by samurai, and they were proper mounted archers in the early medieval period, before the time of the first Mongol invasion.
In many occasions, katanas were used as primary weapons during sieges and things like boat assaults. The fact that the swords were not used as primaries in normal battlefields is due to the nature of the organized combat at the time, like in many other countries masses of dudes armed with spears poking at others was found to be a most effective and safer way of fighting, because spears benefit a lot from numbers. In a 1v1 situation with no one to interfere, spears aren't actually that advantageous against a guy who knows his shit (unless they're especially long), but fighting didn't happen in the form of 1v1's, most of the time there wasn't even proper space to use a sword as long as formations were kept.
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>>102014359
>>102012505
This is really, really old /tg/ copypasta. Probably the most famous too.
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>>102019384
It was the honnorable way to go. Would you rather be a pathetic prisoner, spit at and tortured, than die for your country?

The japs knew what they were doing and unlike you they still have their land for themselves. Yours is invaded by millions of niggers, towelheads, arabs and spiccs that immigrate, rape, steal and occationaly, deemed as a "sucess", take jobs that your countrymen should had had, The skyrocketing amounts of americans who wont even look for a job is the secound most important contributor to sinking unemployement rates in your country after goverment obfuscation and lies.

RiP white america
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>>102021307
Jesus, how much more of a weeaboo you can get? Fuck off to your beloved nipland if you hate murica that much.
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>>102012322
>>102012460
Picked back up.
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Anybody have that madara uchiha copypasta? The one that goes "Can anybody beat Madara Uchiha? Not Edo Tensei Madara Uchiha but Ginnou Edo Tensei... [bunch of weaboo shit]"
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>posting the fake version
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>>102025824
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This guy explains this pretty well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnSpzfP4vs

/thread
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>>102012829
There was that one scene in Tenjo Tenge(I am sure I spelled that wrong).
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>>102013348
Seriously. Polearms were the standard on infantry and cavalry to begin with for a reason. Swords are just CQC last resort weapons unless you were hick vikings, and even then if you were worthy of Canute's service he probably made you grab a spear unless you have the hax sword.
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>>102018922
>Jokes aside, isn't there only like one remaining Master of Katana smithing left in Japan or something?
No. There are quite a few left. Also they have a special status, they're considered "living national treasures" which means they're something akin to civil servants. Japan artificially regulates the number of authentic Japanese swords which need to be certified by the government. That is why they're so expensive: a smith is only allowed to make a limited number of certified weapons per year, and there is only a limited number of smiths who are in the position to make these weapons. That naturally inflates the price madly because lots of people want to buy authentic swords but the government doesn't allow them to be made.

This also led to some myths about making katana taking months, being incredibly hard, etc. when it really has more something to do with government regulations.
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>>102014968
He's more of a circus artist than a swordsman though, and the things he does aren't really that impressive. Cutting through sheet metal, cutting vegetables apart, cutting pellets (fired by his assistant, so he likely knows the trajectory they're going to take), all that isn't really anything that's good in battle. Also, he hasn't even studied any koryu kenjutsu, he's a iaidoka.

You can bet even a mid-tier kendoka would kick his ass.
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Are you going to fix it each time the errors are pointed out?
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>>102015714
It's not like this sort of thing was rare.
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>>102012800
It's more likely that he's a historian or something like that.
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>>102025696
You can clearly see at the end that the sword that broke the other sword isn't a katana.
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>>102013728
>What are shields
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>>102012357
>>102025696

>thread about katanahs
>post gifs of Anderson Silva

come on guys
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>>102014774
It isn't?
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>>102021785
>torture
>better than dying
Yeah, no I'd much rather die before that happens.
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>>102015212
I thought it was supposed to be a cutlass

You know because of the water theme
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>>102027766
Then go shoot up some ghettos or multicultural schools.
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Extra large, bitch.
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>>102028599
>in Japan during WW2
Sure I'll go and shoot up all those multicultural schools that are there.
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>>102017330
>Demonstrations of skill
Do you think cutting a fucking gherkin is a demonstration of skill? No. Demonstration of skill is facing an opponent and beat him
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>>102026928
>not impressive
>no one else can replicate his feats
>tons of assumptions

At least cite some fucking sources tough guy. Who cares if he's a circus act? More people care about him than whoever the fuck is the #1 kendoka in Japan, because hey, swords are stupid and guns rape you.
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Relevant in a way.

Sorry for /co/.
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>>102028738
Nobody is talking about WW2 now though. You said you prefer dying to torture (living in a non-white America). So why don't you help make America a better place?
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>>102028934
>living in America
FTFY.
Good thing I don't live in America.
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>>102012829
What does she do afterword? It will take a very, very long Rocky-esque montage to come back from being pseudo-raped.
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>>102027597
They are a totally ineffective piece of crap when it comes to longbows?
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsPl7UPI0nU
Shields usually weren't just a bunch of boards nailed together, though.
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>each shotgun in japan
>each shotgun
You owe me a pair of sides motherfucker
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>I can go all day

I think we'd all rather you didn't.

>>102013348
>close quarters weapon vs. polearm

Polearms are literally for plebs.

>>102026325
>Polearms were the standard on infantry and cavalry to begin with for a reason

Yeah, they're easier for plebs to use, less tiring, deal with heavy armor better, and having more reach from horseback is a no-brainer.

None of which makes them objectively better unless you want to arbitrarily restrict the comparison to battlefield melee combat during a certain time period only.
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A falling longbow shot would go through full plate, the wearer, out the other side of the full plate, through a thick leather saddle, through barding, and pin the victim to his horse's spine.

One more layer is not a magic defense and it isn't very good cover, especially for the horse.
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a marine confirmed that a Brony made it through boot camp

>the brony brought a wallet with a pony on it with a fedora and it said brony on it

captcha says
>army coupend
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>especially for the horse
What horse?
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> thinking falling arrow carry more force then normal arrow
Check your Newtons laws damn archer.
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>>102026928
>You can bet even a mid-tier kendoka would kick his ass

Lost it here.
Kendo is purely a sport, and nothing else. The motions used to control the shinai are springy wrist-movements. Even a high-tier kendoka wouldn't be able to handle a real sword for shit, it's a completely different thing with a completely different way of use.
Machii isao is a master of shushin-ryu iaijutsu, it's not any kind of a circus-performance or whatever, it's a style that uses a lot more Iaijutsu/Battoujutsu than the more popular styles (katori shinto etc.)
Iaido incorporates koryu within it. Nakayama Hakudo was also just "a iaidoka", and you have to be retarded to say he wasn't a god-tier swordsman.
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>>102014968
Nigga we ain't making a salad, we're trying to wage war here.
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Swords were worthless to wage war anyway.
Gotta be polearms or bows.
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>not mentionning efficient, throwable, cheap and easy to make war axe.
Shiggy diggy doo.
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That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
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I live in the same town as the guy who wrote this. I should hunt him down and get my copy autographed.
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Hahaha, can you be more butthurt? In any case those guys still have no skills to demonstrate whatsoever. I'm pretty fucking sure that the depth of their sword skills is extremely shallow compared to their counterparts in eastern sword arts.
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I wish there was a history board, we could have katana vs longsword arguments all day long.
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>>102031301
When I'm reading this I keep hearing Jason Statham in my head.

Bloody bastard.
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Here's the difference between the two:
Katana: Anyone in platemail will fucking murder you
Longsword: Platemail? say hello to halfswording, bitch!

The moral of the story is if you were fighting Europeans you would want a longsword, if you were fighting Japanese you would want a katana.
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Vikings would wreck Japanese. You know that, bro.
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>>102031441
Obviously. Do you know how deadly a viking shield is? Most people assume you have to watch out for the sword/axe but the real primary weapon is the shield.
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>>102031376
One is an all purpose weapon, the other is only to be used in a very specific manner, because it works the best at what it was intended to do, slice someone in half with light armor. This thread is retarded.
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I thought that like was from musashi
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IT NEVER FAILS
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>>102028858
>not impressive
It isn't impressive.

>no one else can replicate his feats
Why would anyone want to replicate it? Again: he's performing a circus act. Not serious swordsmanship.

>tons of assumptions
Where are the assumptions?

>More people care about him than whoever the fuck is the #1 kendoka in Japan
Not in Japan. And in the west nobody really cares about him either because he's a circus clown who's asked to perform for American Katanah documentaries once in a while.
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>>102031644
>with light armor
You mean no armor?
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You know, one thing that bothers me about counterarguments for longswords is like 90% of the time its 'muh platemail'.
You didn't use your sword for plate mail either, not really.
Assuming you're a dumbass who forgot his mace, sword fights were entirely trying to stab each other in the joints, because penetration was hard.
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>>102030485
>Kendo is purely a sport, and nothing else.
Kendo is a sport but it's still a hundred times closer to actual fencing than cutting vegetables.

>Even a high-tier kendoka wouldn't be able to handle a real sword for shit, it's a completely different thing with a completely different way of use.
>implying just because you're used to using a shinai that you couldn't also use a real sword
It would take a bit of time of adjustment, but if he's competent kendoka you can bet that he's also a more or less competent swordsman. Most definitely better than people who only fence in theory, performing kata and cutting vegetables all day.

>Machii isao is a master of shushin-ryu iaijutsu, it's not any kind of a circus-performance or whatever, it's a style that uses a lot more Iaijutsu/Battoujutsu than the more popular styles (katori shinto etc.)
It's still iaido. But even if he studied proper kenjutsu, if he doesn't practice in serious competition then all theoretical knowledge is worthless.
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>>102031376
The point is: with a longsword you can kill both.
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I thought the point was that no matter which one you have, you're still babies arguing about shit compared to the real superior weapon: spears of any kind.
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>>102031644
The Katana isn't the best cutting weapon though, it's just a glorified saber. And what do you mean by light armor? If you're talking about boiled leather or chainmail then I regret to inform you that cutting through that would be extremely difficult and impractical in a fight.

Also, cutting a person in half requires you to put a tremendous amount of force into a swing which would likely get you killed in actual combat.

If you actually want to go toe to toe with somebody in a duel I see no reason why to choose the katana over the longsword. You give up the guard and the pommel as well as thrusting power and a second edge of your blade. You also can't halfsword effectively with the katana. The Katana only exists because the Japanese had to invent folding of the metal to compensate for their poor quality iron ore.
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>>102011515
It's just a cartoon.
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>>102032437
This guy knows what he's talking about. Polearms in general are the primary weapon of any soldier. Swords are always secondary.

Spears absolutely murder swords in combat.

>>102032558
That's just an example of a technique you can use to fight against spears.
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>>102032262
....What the actual fuck, do you even have a faint clue of what you're talking about?

>Kendo is a sport but it's still a hundred times closer to actual fencing than cutting vegetables.
Dojo practice uses Tatami mats. For ages now, Even 400 years ago. Vegetables are an example of a small target, nothing more.

>It would take a bit of time of adjustment,
No it wouldn't. Kendo is a completely different world. A shinai weighs less than 500g. An actual sword weighs around 1100. The inertia you have to deal with is tremendously huge, the wrist movements learned in Kendo will do absolutely nothing. I have seen many kendoka try to pick up a real sword and have a go at it, the results vary between funny to completely disastrous.
The only kind that stand a slight chance are practitioners of shinkendo.
The connection between kendo and actual swordsmanship starts and ends with the use of a sword like object, period.

>Most definitely better than people who only fence in theory, performing kata and cutting vegetables all day.
Obviously, you have never seen a single iaido lesson in your life.
Other than suburi, kata and tameshigiri, you also have bunkai and pair-practice, be it basic form practice, or application of the kata.
Iaido IS swordsmanship. You don't learn "theory", you learn how to use the fucking sword.
All modern styles incorporate koryu, be it katori shinto, muso shinden, jikiden eishin, jigen, etc. etc.

Please stop posting. You obviously have no concrete knowledge on the matter, or someone spoonfed you bullshit for too long of a time.
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>>102032826
>Polearms in general are the primary weapon of any soldier.
The problem is: polearms are more limited when it comes to their use. A lance rarely survives the first impact. A pollaxe is something you can't bring with you on horseback. You can't climb castle walls with it either.

A longsword is the longest weapon you can easily bring with you in any situation. You can bring it with you on horseback. You can carry it when assaulting during a siege. You can carry it around in daily life as a personal self-defence weapon.

Obviously a polearm is your primary weapon in combat. But you still want to have a sword by your side.
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Guys, I'm sorry but Kendo is not going to show you how to fight with a sword. It will show you how to fight with a stick.

If you want to learn how to fight with a sword you have to use a fucking sword. Metal, not wood. The feel of the weapon and the flow of it during battle are very different.

Sure learning how to fight with a wooden stick will give you a better idea of how to fight with a sword but it would be much more effective to simply learn how to fight with a sword in the first place.
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>>102033110
Oooor to learn to shoot a gun, because I fail to see any situation where you'd need to fight with a sword.
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>>102032935
>Dojo practice uses Tatami mats. For ages now, Even 400 years ago.
They certainly don't use it to teach people how to fight.

>Vegetables are an example of a small target, nothing more.
My point exactly.

>A shinai weighs less than 500g. An actual sword weighs around 1100. The inertia you have to deal with is tremendously huge, the wrist movements learned in Kendo will do absolutely nothing. I have seen many kendoka try to pick up a real sword and have a go at it, the results vary between funny to completely disastrous.
Because they're not used to it. The theory of fencing still applies though, and you can bet a competent kendoka would kick any armchair fencers ass who only practices kata and cuts tatami or vegetables.

>Other than suburi, kata and tameshigiri, you also have bunkai and pair-practice, be it basic form practice, or application of the kata.
>Iaido IS swordsmanship. You don't learn "theory", you learn how to use the fucking sword.
It's one limited aspect of swordsmanship but you're not given the full picture. If that were the case then we wouldn't need to distinguish between iaido/jutsu and regular kenjutsu - but we do. iaijutsu is but one aspect of kenjutsu.
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>>102014239
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>>102032583
You ARE aware that it's perfectly possible to fuck someone's shit up with the bottom end of a katana, right? You don't need huge ass pommels to kill or incapacitate an unarmored person. Guards don't even work like you think they do (and the hand protectors in samurai armor "fuse" with the tsuba to create a much more complete guard than the cross, not that it matters), but that's not surprising since you think Youtube videos equal knowledge. It's also perfectly possible to stab with a katana unless you're a gigantic moron. And it still does cut better than yuro swords.

If we're talking about armor, no one IRL tried to use their swords as hammers, the pictures are there to show you that it was something possible to do, not something normally done. And people in armor didn't use swords against each other if they had spears handy, and if they had to use swords grappling was involved, which has nothing to do with the type of sword you use.

>>102033110
Kendo is a sport.
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>>102033110
There isn't really that much difference between the stick and the sword. You're falling into the trap of glorifying the whole thing, as it there was something sacred about it. When it comes to weight and balancing there's a difference and obviously actually cutting something is different from hitting it but that's something you can easily get used to. And in the end, even if your hit doesn't connect as well, even if the cut doesn't run as deep as it could if your technique were better, as long as you hit your opponent you're doing it right. And that's what kendoka are good at. People who only practice in theory, who only perform stationary kata and cutting drills won't be good fencers. No matter how good their cutting technique is, it won't help them if they don't know how to apply it against a moving target.
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>>102014203
No, Gustaf Adolf did not invent the caracole. That existed for a century up to that point.

His tactic was to fire all the pistols at once at then charge head-on.
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>And it still does cut better than yuro swords.
Why would it cut better? There is not a single good reason for that.

>no one IRL tried to use their swords as hammers, the pictures are there to show you that it was something possible to do, not something normally done.
We have depictions of that technique from different sources of the 15th up to the 16th century. If nobody did it, how come people kept depicting it? While it's true that it wasn't the "common" way to fight against armour, for if we go by the depictions and descriptions it was way more common to grab the sword by the blade and use the sword like a short spear, but it was definitely done.
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>>102033466
Kenjutsu kata normally work with partners, both of them moving.
If you think that just because they don't go mega fast and don't hit each other they won't be able to hit moving targets, then top lel, that's not how it works.
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>>102033681
>If you think that just because they don't go mega fast and don't hit each other they won't be able to hit moving targets, then top lel, that's not how it works.
That's exactly how it works. I bet you also think some old man in china who spends his time meditating under a waterfall could beat a professional boxer in a fight because of his magic ki powers.
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>>102033395
>no one IRL tried to use their swords as hammers
it's part of history, I don't know what to tell you if you don't believe me. I should also mention that halfswording is more than just swing a sword like a hammer, you can also grip the blade to give you more leverage in a battle.

Also, guards work exactly like you think they work. If blade collide you can catch their blade in the guard and counter attack.

Lastly, pommels are more effective to bash somebody's head in than the hilt of a Katana. The pommel also balances the sword better witch makes maneuvering the weapon easier.
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>>102033908
>ignorance
cool story bro
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>>102033908
There was also some tanks... and some medieval/renaissance-era infantry talk... and some planes... and some vikings... and shields...
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>>102033662
>Why would it cut better? There is not a single good reason for that.
Wow. Just wow.

>We have depictions of that technique from different sources of the 15th up to the 16th century. If nobody did it, how come people kept depicting it?
You also have many depictions of medieval samurai fighting with katanas, and literary sources confirm that it did happen on some occasions, but everybody knows that it wasn't common at all. Extrapolating things from drawings without literary resources is something very stupid to do.

>>102033835
>Also, guards work exactly like you think they work. If blade collide you can catch their blade in the guard and counter attack.
Again, it's just an extremely marginal feature of the sword. If you think people IRL relied on it and that combat consisted of catching swords, then you're living in fantasyland. Hence why, nope, they don't work like you think they do.

>Lastly, pommels are more effective to bash somebody's head in than the hilt of a Katana.
Yes they are more effective for bashing, doesn't change the fact that you can still do it with the katana hilt, and it doesn't change the fact that using the pommel actively as an offensive tool was not universal at all. That part of the sword exists to create necessary balance for the sword first and foremost.

>The pommel also balances the sword better witch makes maneuvering the weapon easier.
This however is straight up bullshit spouted by an ignorant who's never touched a real sword in his life. The pommel is integral to a longsword, a katana does not need one, if it did it already would have it. Weaponsmiths, European or Japanese or anything else, were not retards.
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>>102012085
The fun thing is that such thing actually happened in wwII
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Damascus steel says hi.
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>>102034444
I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point. You aren't even trying to make an argument, you're just being contrary to whatever I say. And you know what, good for you. You go ahead and be against whatever I say, but at the end of the day unless you pick up a sword and swing it around you won't know which one is more effective at whichever purpose.
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>>102027626
dat leg snap was... aww fuck so good.
Checked dat leg kick like a boss.
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>>102035090
Fuck that lame ass argument.
Yeah sure, Japan didn't have any steel, and indians had a lot of it, but who the hell still cares or uses things as damascus steel or ultrecht blade ?
Any type of sword can be made with any types of mtals, even katanas don't need to be folded or whatver.

The only important thing is the design. Hilt, reach, possible attack, that's all that matters.
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>>102033288
I give up. You don't seem to have any comprehension ability.
>armchair fencers ass who only practices kata and cuts tatami or vegetables
And now i'm suspecting i have taken the largest bait of my life.

>>102035525
>Any type of sword can be made with any type of metals
No they can't. Different metals react differently to heat treatment, have different tensile strength etc.
You can't make a katana out of aluminum, it'll break right away when used.
You can't make a rapier out of titanium, it's not flexible and will break.
You even need to choose the correct sub-type of steel to work with for each sword.

>>102034444
>The pommel is integral to a longsword, a katana does not need one,
The kashira ("pommel" part of the katana) is used to hide the Ito knot, and for hitting techniques. There's a technique called "tsuka-atte" in which you drive the kashira into the opponent's diaphragm. Very effective, i have been in the receiving end of one.
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>>102033288
Muso shinden 2nd dan here.
Stop spewing bullshit all around, in every single style you do paired battle practice with bokken. It's true that it's not really a "free battle" until near when you hit shodan, but be it a stationary or a moving target, even mudan noobies would be able to easily handle them.

Also, kendoka don't learn edge alignment. It takes most a full year to get that right. If you try to cut without knowing how to align your cut, your sword WILL be broken/bent as soon as it hits.
That is the greatest disadvantage of using round shinai, they have no "edge" part.
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>>102036743
>The kashira ("pommel" part of the katana) is used to hide the Ito knot, and for hitting techniques. There's a technique called "tsuka-atte" in which you drive the kashira into the opponent's diaphragm. Very effective, i have been in the receiving end of one.
Yeah, you can hit people with the "bottom end" of the katana and be very effective. I've never been on the receiving end of such a technique but I've seen it applied. You're still hitting with a hard and concentrated surface carrying weight, the fact that it won't necessarily shatter your skull in half is really irrelevant.
What I meant about integral was that having a big chunk of metal (the pommel) was necessary to make the longsword not have shit balance, whereas the katana was balanced as is.
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>She was raped
Dropped before I even pick up.
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>>102034444
>Why would it cut better? There is not a single good reason for that.
>Wow. Just wow.
Are you fucking retarded? If you're unable to make a point then why are you posting here?

Again: there is not a single good reason for that.

The burden of proof is on you.


>You also have many depictions of medieval samurai fighting with katanas, and literary sources confirm that it did happen on some occasions, but everybody knows that it wasn't common at all.
Everybody knows that it wasn't common at all? Says who? Fact is that katana were used. They were a common side-arm on the battlefields and they were most certainly used in duel and self-defence situations.

You're completely full of shit.
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>>102013142
If you were raised and brought up with the motion that your pussy is ment to be violated by any man for his pleasure would your humanity have been tossed? No infact you would welcome it, dont think because you were raised taht your supposed to give up that uggly cooter for anyone you want but god forbit someone you dont deem worthy touches it.

Get fucked
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>>102037539
Oh, that.
A katana would be completely ruined by a weighted pommel- the balance point is purposely placed rather forward, to give the cut enough weight. If you add weight on the bottom it'll feel "swifter" to use, but will lack weight behind the cut, and won't work as well.
A longsword weighs much more (starts at 1.5kg compared to 900g-1.2kg top for a katana)
so it can't afford a forward balance as well, it'll be unwieldy.
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>>102037123
>in every single style you do paired battle practice with bokken. It's true that it's not really a "free battle" until near when you hit shodan, but be it a stationary or a moving target, even mudan noobies would be able to easily handle them.
If you don't do any sparring against an opponent that tries to hit you then you will get your ass kicked by anyone who does.

>Also, kendoka don't learn edge alignment. It takes most a full year to get that right. If you try to cut without knowing how to align your cut, your sword WILL be broken/bent as soon as it hits.
Swords - including katana - are a lot more resilient than that. Stop buying into myths. There is no magic edge alignment skill which you will only learn if you study mc dojo bullshit. Swords are fairly straightforward and easy to use - that's why they were popular.
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>>102037782
>Again: there is not a single good reason for that.
Hint: it has something to do with the way the sword is made. Maybe you shouldn't talk about this subject if you don't know anything.

>Everybody knows that it wasn't common at all? Says who?
History books. And the fact that I just said that literary sources confirm that they happened ON SOME OCCASIONS.
And, self defense on a battlefield using a katana? Are you fucking retarded? Or are you so much of an idiot that you can't understand that I'm not talking about the many many many instances of katana use outside of wars?

>mfw some idiot who learns history from 4chain and who thinks his "logic" is sufficient to understand history calls me full of shit
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yeah
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>>102037964
>If you don't do any sparring against an opponent that tries to hit you then you will get your ass kicked by anyone who does.
I just told you that sparring does indeed take place.
If anything, the severely limited movement of kendoka because of bogu and being used to getting hit without consequences would put them in a major disadvantage.

>Swords - including katana - are a lot more resilient than that. Stop buying into myths. There is no magic edge alignment skill which you will only learn if you study mc dojo bullshit. Swords are fairly straightforward and easy to use - that's why they were popular.

Utterly and painfully wrong. You don't just go around bonking stuff.
Western swords are mostly through-hardened. They dull much faster, but are more forgiving because of that. You can botch a cut, nothing will happen most of the time.

Now try that with a Japanese/Chinese/Celtic sword. They tend to be differentially hardened.
They keep a keen edge for much longer, but are a lot more sensitive to bad technique.
I have seen swords bend, i have seen swords break.
Especially with a katana, edge alignment is critical.
For this very cause you have the thing called a bo-hi (katana with grooves)
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>gets raped
>autists have a fit
>gets retconned
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>>102037964
>Swords - including katana - are a lot more resilient than that.
Actually, no, at least not as far as katanas and similar swords go.

It most probably won't cause it to break (unless you're trying to cut a helmet or something), but I've seen katanas getting bent due to bad form. They weren't top quality ones, but I can't say for certain that the same wouldn't happen if good quality ones were used. I don't think you can say it from actual experience either.
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>>102011515
>Bringing knives to a nuke fight
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>>102038570
>not throwing a tactical tomahawk at the nuke
Do you even operate
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>>102016913
Proper armour was expensive and only well standing soldiers/samurai/nobles were able to afford them.

If you knew anything about medieval warfare in Europe then you'd know that most broadswords weren't well sharpened and were used as blunt weapons most of the time anyway. What i meant when talking about going against plate armour was the factor of durability. A katana will either bend or break in such a situation while a broadsword will stay whole even if a bit dull.
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>>102038235
>Hint: it has something to do with the way the sword is made. Maybe you shouldn't talk about this subject if you don't know anything.
I'm familiar with how katana are made and probably know more about it than you. How about you tell me why that supposedly makes the sword cut better?

>And, self defense on a battlefield using a katana? Are you fucking retarded?
Self-defence in daily life. But on a battlefield you'd have to use them too. They were a sidearm after all. A weapon used if your primary weapon wasn't around or ill fit for the given situation.
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>>102038570
Something something, cant push the button
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Japan has shit ores, thats why katanas NEEDED multiple foldings to be any good.
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>>102038920
Not the dude you were replying to, but-
Katanas (and jian) cut "better" (or rather- more easily/with less resistance) because the edge has an apple-seed geometry rather than a diamond cross section/beveled edge.

That said, both the katana and jian cut by slicing whilst a bastard/longsword cuts by hacking. It's a different type of motion, so there is no use in comparing them.
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>>102039051
>Katanas (and jian) cut "better" (or rather- more easily/with less resistance) because the edge has an apple-seed geometry rather than a diamond cross section/beveled edge.
And that is supposed to be better why? I also bet you have some research on the matter to back that claim up. I'd rather bet that the cross section is more a consequence of the way katana were constructed rather than intentionally made that way in order to make them "cut better".

After all, if you piece together a blade from multiple layers of steel of varying qualities, you'll automatically end up with something a bit "thicker". The blades of migration period Sax blades (see pic), which were constructed in pretty much the same manner as katana also looked like that while later period cutting blades such as the war knife blades which were made from mono-steel had geometries more similar to regular western swords.
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>>102039051
Adding to >>102039393

>That said, both the katana and jian cut by slicing whilst a bastard/longsword cuts by hacking.
I see that often, but this isn't entirely true. Keep in mind that most bastard or longswords weren't exactly straight but they were tapered - especially if you look at sword from the first half of the 15th century they're pretty much triangular in shape.

In that regard they achieve a similar effect while cutting as a curved sword would while at the same time retaining the centrally aligned point.

The way they cut would be closer to how a guillotine cuts then simply "hacking" into their target.

Late 15th century swords were thinner, but even those still had a defined tapering. The edge was at no point "straight". While completely straight swords existed, they were the exception, not the norm.
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>>102038870
>Proper armour was expensive and only well standing soldiers/samurai/nobles were able to afford them.
All "high" samurai could afford proper armour. The specifics differed, and there were people who deliberately had lighter or heavier armour too. but no high ranking samurai, even if not the richest, would go to battle without proper armour, ever. And there was a considerable number of that kind of samurai in battles.
All "low" samurai and non-samurai ashigaru also were outfitted with armor, but not in the same type as the aforementioned ones. Leather and mail were used, while in normal samurai armor these were still used in addition to iron plates and still more pieces of protection worn inside the armour.

>If you knew anything about medieval warfare in Europe then you'd know that most broadswords weren't well sharpened and were used as blunt weapons most of the time anyway
But I do know that. Blame yourself for making a post that sounded like you were claiming broadswords were able to cut through armour.
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>>102029781

>Polearms are literally for plebs.
Not true, there is significant historical evidence that hammer-like polearms were the go to weapon for well-off Knights.
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>>102029948

>Citation Needed
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>>102031347

It would just be a combination of the worst parts of /int/, /pol/, and /k/.
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>>102012357
Wasn't there another version of this gif with the katana cutting that sword?
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>>102039671
>>If you knew anything about medieval warfare in Europe then you'd know that most broadswords weren't well sharpened and were used as blunt weapons most of the time anyway
>But I do know that.
Not the guy you're talking to but it's wrong. There is zero evidence for swords having ever been blunt and having been used as blunt weapons (unless you're referring to usage like >>102033662).

We do have lots of pictures of swords being used for cutting though. At times greatly exaggerating things (for some reason people often take the same kinds of exaggerations that also exist in Japan for literal truth) - but if there wasn't a bit of truth to it and people considered swords "blunt" weapons, then they surely wouldn't have depicted things like this.
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>>102039881
There is a fake version where someone replaced the katana with the longsword blade from this gif.
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>>102039750
Polearms were the main weapon for nearly every culture. While easy to learn was a definate advantage for them, the real advantage to them is their length over things like swords. The longer length gives more reach, keeping more space between yourself and the enemy. It also gives you more leverage and weight to work with for swinging and thrusting.
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>>102038933
Damn, you make me want to watch the starship trooper again.
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>>102015397
>>102028126
Maybe this then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunt%C5%8D#Kaigunt.C5.8D_.28naval_sword.29
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>>102039881
There is. What's funny about that vid is that people never post the longsword vs longsword part- where one of the swords just shatters in half. At least with a bent piece of steel you can still incapacitate someone or at least keep protecting yourself, but the only thing you'll do with a piece of steel shattered in half is to get rekt at that instant.

>>102039933
Hmm. Honestly I'm confused about European swords' historical usage. What I understood was that they were designed to directly attack plate armor when necessary, so weren't sharp at their maximum potential. Not that they were fully blunt. But then again, indeed why use a sword if you're planning to attack a material that you can't cut? It's better to use maces and hammers or pickaxes... which some people on 4chan claim were the standard issue weaponry for knights. But if that was the case, then who was sword? Pictures like the one you posted definitely at least represent reality in some way, and I've yet to see a text source actually say that people fought by using blunt weapons only. Man, is there really no books like "Katana " from Osprey that conscisely tells the history and use of longswords and the like?

Also that pic is pretty rad, but what the fuck is going on? Did he cut him in half?
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>>102040488
Broadswords were primarily a sidearm. You hopefully weren't using them against a heavily armored opponent. That's what your mace or polearm was for. Or preferably crossbow.

Against a armored foe one of your better bets would be to try to thrust at less armored areas like joints. The french Estoc was made almost specifically with this in mind. It has next to no edge on it.
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>>102040717
One of your better bets with a broadsword I mean.
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>>102040024
I fucking hate those, you never hit edge to edge. In any type of sword.
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>>102040488
>What I understood was that they were designed to directly attack plate armor when necessary, so weren't sharp at their maximum potential. Not that they were fully blunt. But then again, indeed why use a sword if you're planning to attack a material that you can't cut?
If we're talking about longswords then you can look at historical combat manuals that deal with the subject. Most of the time grabbed the sword by the blade with one hand and used the weapons like short spears to guide them into gaps of the armour. Otherwise, swords were used as levers for throws or joint-locks, and they were also used as makeshift warhammers like in >>102018193.

There were obviously all kinds of swords around though. In most of the manuals you see knights use the late medieval longswords which are rather long and pointy, with a diamond-shaped cross section and very little actual edge. Clearly weapons with a strong focus on thrusting.

Otherwise they had hefty hewing swords like in >>102039933, whether they would also be used in attempts to bash against armour is something that is hard to tell though. If we go by the pic where a man is cut in half, we can guess that this was the case though.

>It's better to use maces and hammers or pickaxes... which some people on 4chan claim were the standard issue weaponry for knights.
Knights carried all kinds of weapons. The idea that you'd only have one weapon type is one that comes straight out of video games. A longsword and a dagger was pretty much always carried. Additionally came a lance on horseback as well as a secondary weapon on the saddle, e.g. a mace, warhammer or one of these hewing swords. On foot a polearm would be primary, as well as dagger and sword by the side.
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Swords are overly romanticized weapons be it for knights, cataphracts, or samurai. The former two only tended to use them as placeholders for glorified sidearms.

Spears, glaives, poleaxes, maces, axes, and lances are superior.
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>>102040451
Does it have a trigger to shoot the blade out though? This is important.
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>>102041082
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>>102041082
lel

Is this for a throw?
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>>102041082
>>102040948
>ancient Dark Souls PVP training
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>>102041210
The text below could probably tell us more but I fear my Latin is a bit rusty.
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>>102014334
A bit late but that's a reaper drone, not a predator.
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How else are you going to decapitate 10 zombies in one go?
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>>102041358
>cuts through a man's head, shield, another man's wrist, another man's axe shaft and finally through that man himself at the same time
legit



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