Did you pause to read all the frames or did you skip them?
I found it more rewarding to try and read them as they flashed by.
Aside from the faster than usual ones and the chunk of text in the usual timespan, I read that all fairly easily.
Watched normally, caught glimpses.
Second watch through I pause.
Nigga, I screencapped them.
I used to pause when I first watched Bakemonogatari now I do >>102000180. Rarely do I pause it now
I was well prepared having watched SZS.
First time you're not meant to be able to read them so I don't, I try to read glimpses.
Second time I pause for the semi lengthy flashes that you're suppose to be able read.
Third time I go frame by frame.
Fourth time commentary.
Fifth time, I cry that there is no subs for Nisemonogatari and Nekomonogatari commentaries yes.
I only did it one time and that was for the really fast ones at the beginning of an episode.
I'm surprised they left the story about the dude who sold his shadow there, it was pretty important.
Why would I pause? I'm not 4, I can read.
The ridiculously long ones aren't meant to be read all the way through.
You people have to think, this show isn't meant to be watched in a media player on a computer. It's broadcast on television. People in Japan probably haven't even heard of TiVo, so they aren't expecting people to pause this
Fucking this. I'm currently compiling the ones for Otori, since Otori was like 70% text slides.
I try to read them while they flash but sometimes rewind and pause.
>this shows isn't meant to be watched on a media player
>people don't buy BDs
Do you really think that they made a show and expected people to wait til the blu-rays, then just sit there and hit pause, then play, then pause, then play, then rewind because they missed a bit, then play, then rewind because they missed it again, then pause, then watch until the next frame flashes?
It's SHAFT. They think they're being artistic.
That's usually what BDs are for, even if it's usually not for reading words.
What's the point in having them if they are skipping so fast you can't fucking read them. It just gives me a headache.
Pre-S2 I didn't. In S2 I did because there's actually some important shit in there.
Stop being a 4 year old, I can read most of them fine. half the time it's just a single word, are you a retard?
Because SHAFT can't hope to adapt all of the narrative in Monogatari, and that narrative is quite significant. They have to fill in the gaps with text frames.
I can easily keep up with most of them, or at least get the meaning
And I paused on all the longer ones when I rewatched it
I fucking love SHAFT
Because people can read this in a half second.
>most of them
reading comprehension, fucktard
>First time you're not meant to be able to read them so I don't, I try to read glimpses.
That's bullshit. They're just excerpts from the LNs. That interpretation only exists because the anime is more popular here.
i paused if i ever re-watched the episode. despite what people say, there's some things that are helpful to the story line if you read it
I don't get why no one is subbing the commentaries, they could be classified as a whole new series to be honest.
I remember some guy subbed the first episode part a of Nise but we haven't heard from him ever again. What happend to him?
They had DVRs a long time ago. That's how they upload raws for fansubbers to use.
Skip, although I did try to read them. You're not supposed to pause and read them, otherwise they would have been on the screen for longer. The point is to show that the characters are having some kind of tangential thought and to break up the tendency of Monogatari towards becoming a "talking heads" show.
>You aren't supposed to pause to read them.
>Most of them are just one word.
I gave a very good example of a screen where pausing to read it is very rewarding and obviously intended for the more hardcore fans. I think I read your posts just fine.
It flashes by so that even if you don't pause to read the whole thing, you can probably see that he it's him talking about Tsukihi. You still get the feeling Koyomi has a lot to say about his sisters
It's deep man
It's because they contain more dialogue than the series itself. It's a pain in the ass to translate.
They're quotes directly from the LN. Of fucking course you're supposed to read them.
Sure the Japanese should already know those quotes because they can just read the LN in question, but us westerners aren't so lucky.
??? Yes?I 'm just saying that Shaft in no way expects you to be able to read them broadcasted. You're suppose to catches glimpses of the text, and try to extract information from it.
I can. Stop being such an illiterate faggot.
>The point is to show that the characters are having some kind of tangential thought
This as well
Again, you're arguing that the audience is expected to read a paragraph in half a second.
>Most of them
>you aren't supposed to
I said you aren't SUPPOSED TO. Is there stuff there to read? well fucking obviously. Do people pause to read it? Fucking obviously. Are you SUPPOSED to? Do you absolutely NEED to in order to understand the plot? the answer is no.
Shaft in no way expects you to have the fucking VN and have the lines memorized when they fucking come up in half a second.
I'm pretty sure the purpose is that you're suppose to extract as much hints as possible to draw up some type of foreshadowing
>Again, you're arguing that the audience is expected to read a paragraph in half a second.
I never said that. It's there for the LN fans, which is everyone in Japan.
If you want to read into it that much, read the novels
Otherwise, don't bother and just try to read off glimpses. You kind of gather what they're going to say most of the time anyway
This is what I ended up doing. I stopped trying to pause before I finished Bakemonogatari. It's how they are meant to be viewed, I think. You just catch snatches of the words as they go past.
You're looking from the perspective of an American fan. In Japan, only the LN fans will watch the anime.
>In Japan, only the LN fans will watch the anime.
You can't be this stupid right?
Yet there are still huge amounts of backstory in those frames that some people would want. Maybe it isn't intended for the casual viewer, but the content is planned for multiple audiences and is intended for the hardcore fan. You see this in Pixar films, the same thing is happening in Monogatari.
You're an idiot if you think it's just for the fans.
>only the LN fans will watch the anime
This is plain wrong
I know Japan is different than America but,
>only the book fans will watch harry potter
Sorry, I do lots of image processing so I set things to save lossless by default. I'm sure MS paint can fix you size issue.
Your original arguement was that people weren't meant to buy the blue rays just to sit there and go frame by frame and what we're saying is that YES Shaft did indeed plan for people to go frame by frame to read those huge fucking paragraphs.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IT IS INTENDED, it wouldn't just be there to fucking cock tease you.
Please point to me where I said there wasn't backstory there. Please point out where I said that people COULD NOT pause and read what was there. You can't? Oh, it's because I never fucking said that
You are not SUPPOSED to stop and pause. CAN you? YES. YOU CAN. Do you HAVE to? NO. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO.
Do you need individual, personalized lessons in the definitions of all of these words before you shut the fuck up?
I always paused if I couldn't catch them, but I did make an effort to catch them.
This ain't Harry Potter though. That's as mainstream as it gets. Watching anime like Monogatari in Japan isn't mainstream.
I freezed the frames to read them in the beginning, until I realized they had no substance or relevancy.
Does someone need to quote the sales figures to you?
I watch an episode twice. First no pause Second frame skipping
Okay you're getting really mad and trying to be right too hard. Is the casual viewer supposed to pause for these text dumps? No.
Does Shaft totally expect for people to do this and hide cool stuff in there? Yes.
Both cases are supposed to happen.
I get what you're trying to say but anime is "mainstream," in the way that it is profitable, theres a whole god damn section of a city dedicated to it and theres like 4 different huge cons.
It's not socially accepted culturally but it is definitely mainstream
what >>102001276 said, sorry to break it to you, but -monogatari isn't quite the underground secret club you might think it is
>Frustration outlawed except on weekends and holidays
I know it sells amazingly, but that doesn't mean it sells better than the LNs.
> Is the casual viewer supposed to pause for these text dumps? No.
Literally just stated that I was correct, but you refuse to actually say the words
I read all of them. If I missed one, I'd pause or rewind.
It's /a/, no one will admit they are wrong.
Are you trolling, or are you actually this stupid?
How is it not mainstream?
I skipped every single of them.
>but -monogatari isn't quite the underground secret club you might think it is
So the niche sub culture knows about it. If you stopped 10 Japanese people in downtown Tokyo and asked them, MAYBE 1 in 10 would have even heard about it.
>Do you really think that they made a show and expected people to wait til the blu-rays, then just sit there and hit pause, then play...
That was your argument, THATS WHAT YOU FUCKING SAID. We said yes, we never said you HAVE to, but it's what Shaft did fucking intend for people to do.
Onimonogatari LN sold around 120,000 books in its first week. I'm just using this for comparison, but it seems that the Nise anime sold around 60,000 per volume.
Holy shit what happend to this thread?
Let's talk about how NisioisiN hates the escapist nature of anime viewers.
Well guess what fagtron, you do have to read them in Otori, because most of Nadeko's dialogue and monogues are in text slides.
I didn't unpause to begin with.
A lot of Kaiki's stuff was in the slides too.
Welcome to Japan!
If you asked 10 random people in america if they had a damn Twitter account maybe 1 would say yes, doesn't stop it from being mainstream
Wh-what''s wrong with taking the easy way out?
Also, We are talking about mainstream anime, many of those random downtown Tokyo people don't even watch anime to begin with
If you asked 10 people if they knew what twitter was, then you would get a bunch of yeses. And really, I bet more than 1 in 10 people would have a twitter account.
It doesn't say anywhere on there that there is anything wrong with that, note Nadeko is the one who is stating that so....
Maybe you're the one who thinks so?
Yeah, a lot of character building stuff. Reading with pausing and without is fairly different experience. At least until ep. 5 of Hitagi End,, when Ononoki just blurts it out.
>She's telling me that I love someone out of reach or entirely fictitious
Nisio isn't even trying to be subtle there.
My point is just that "mainstream anime" doesn't mean how many people in the middle of Tokyo had heard of it
I don't know a single person in real life who has a twitter account, apparently they have almost 650million accounts
>how NisioisiN hates the escapist nature of anime viewers.
Why does he hate that we take easy way out?
>Do you absolutely NEED to in order to understand the plot? the answer is no.
Maybe not for the bare minimum, but some pretty significant character subtleties are not expressed in the anime at all. It could come back and smack anime viewers in the face if Nisio puts them to use later on in the series.
He's just pulling an Anno, perhaps?
>how Nisio Isin hates the escapist nature of anime viewers
Sorry, I was lying, I don't actually know that
It was certainly a jab towards waifus though. He also did this before in Bake, Araragi stated something along the lines that fantasizing about little sisters is for people who don't have little sisters
I say Shinbo is with the flashing stuff. He does artsy shit in all his shows, I think he just likes how it looks.
When I was younger, I did the same thing Nadeko did. It was a coping mechanism, further giving us knowledge about Nadeko's mental state. I wouldn't call it natural, but it's not entirely rare or uncommon.
Reminder that Nadeko went angst because KanaHana asked him to write her evil.
HanaKana is always worst girl.
Especially in Steins;Gate.
I find the actual truth in that being a little doubtful. Nisio plans his shit way in advance, (See: Kanbaru's mother being foreshadowed in Bakemonogatari) and Nadeko just being "cute imouto-osananajimi" for the entirety of Monogatari seems far-fetched, considering how Nisio likes writing his characters.
That's how I watch most of my anime actually.
Skip them. I am not really that dedicated enough to pause and read through all of them
It's not like it takes a lot of effort to pause, you know. Unless you don't really like the show that much. If you did, I'd think you'd want to see even more material about it. It's like a mini-OVA or commentary for the episodes.
Skip on first watch, pause on second, but only for the better episodes.
what the fuck does a chinaberry frame represent? is there an image guide to the colors?
All i know is black is normal and red is action/danger
I paused for a few on episode 1 but it didn't feel worth the wait. If I really want to I'll read the LNs myself.
Well, not everyone that enjoys Monogatari is fluent in Moon.
He doesn't hate it, Nadeko had other problems that she coped with using escapism. It was also Tsukihi telling Nadeko she was living her life wrong that set her off and partly to cause for the whole mess. Something she already knew too considering she said the same thing to her classmates. Kaiki said something similar, but because he was trying to trick her he ended up finding out more about Nadeko than anyone else. He connected with her and appealed to the things she wanted to do and encouraged her which is why Nadeko listened to him.
If anything the message was that the "Escapism is wrong and you're terrible for doing it" people are only making the situation worse. Where as a level of understanding and actual care for the person could help them with the issues that they are coping with.
Basically exactly how they help Hikkikomori's in real life, they have someone visit them everyday and interact with them until they encourage them enough to leave of their own volition. Where as forcibly removing them causes the situation to worsen.
I did this too.
I'm not watching the live broadcast like japs do, so I can pause the episode whenever I want. Why skip them and wait for a rewatch to read them?
But Monogatari frames aren't even worth your effort to pause.
Speak for yourself.
During the arcs that I really liked, like Nadeko Medusa and Hitagi End.
Yeah, instead szs shitty chalkboard jokes are...
Please, upload it when when you will finish it.
R.I.P KaikiTruly best girl
That's the level of art where you put a dirty old toilet seat in a museum. It's just there. It's zero effort. Just like the "artistic" backgrounds that are mostly just a lot of repeating geometrical shapes, with an unhealthy preference for straight lines. Easy and quick to draw, and some people will undoubtedly praise it as being artsy, when actually it's as repetitive and boring as the plot lines.
I think I have all the episodes done, the only thing left is to rename the filenames.
I'll upload it today if the thread is still alive by then.
I played this entire series at 4x times speed with my finger on the "skip 5 seconds forward" button, especially when there wasn't a hot chick doing something arousing
The only correct way to enjoy this show.
I like your pretentious idiocy.
I tried to read them.
Yeah, I think that they made a show with a little extra that some fans can find interesting, as you can see from this thread.
I'm almost done uploading.
Araragi is Oshinos apprentice
Senjougahara is Kaikis apprentice
Who is Kagenui teaching?
Wasn't she in the same college as them? I swear she was older.
I read them as they go, but occasionally have to pause to read when they're too fast or a fucking paragraph
>people don't read them
>these same people probably go on to say it's a shit adaptation
Just fucking stop
Anon, no. >>102001107
It's not a weekend or holiday yet.
It's actually Ougi.
I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to read all of them the first time through. I did pause between each frame my second time through though.
I don't watch that garbage at all.
Me too anon. Me too.
Fug, forgot link.
Also thanks to the shitposters for keeping the thread alive.
I paused to read them.
I also dropped this shitty show after episode one.
Nisio didn't intend for this to become a series. He's just finding things he can expand upon.
I read them, withouth pause on the TV version.
I pause them on the BD's.
Me too anon! What a coincidence!
I'll be working on the other stories and post them as soon as possible in the next thread.
I'm looking forward Hitagi End!
I'll start with that then.
thank you, good sir.
Whether he intended it to or not, he wrote Bakemonogatari with a larger canon in mind. Kanbaru's mother and Shinobu weren't by accident.
The backstory in Kizu was constantly hinted at in Bake, but Kanbaru's mother? What hints did we have there beyond the very brief and almost completely ignored "she owned an object that lets you make a contract with a demon"?
Sometimes had to do it many times because of subs timing marks.
It was worth it, though.
I'm telling the truth.
There is no reason to stop to read them all. Most of them are either just Black/Red/White frame and the other ones are just excerpts from the novels. I paused on the rewatch to read it all just because I wanted to but it's meant to be watched with the glimpses. That's how they air it and it's not like they can pause their TV unless they DVR it or something.