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So I'm catching up on this series after getting bored with it for a while, and I must say that it is quite an effort. I want to keep watching it because OH GOD SHANA IS HOT etc, but I really can not stand the plot so far. The first season also had a somewhat complex setting with lots of terminology, odd powers, and plot twists, but it was interesting and enjoyable. This time around, the story is godamn convoluted and confusing: things are coming out of Yuji's stomach, Yuji is turning into other people, but then back again for no reason at all, etc. It's a mess. I trust that everything will be answered eventually, but the show is really doing a poor job of presenting everything. It's a shame too, because I genuinely enjoyed the first season.

tl;dr - anybody else have no fucking clue what is going on? Does it get more bearable after episode 16 or so?
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Episode 20 and 21 will make watching it all worth it.
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The deal with Johan was made very clear by the anime if you were paying attention. The thing with the silver will be explained shortly.
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>>10199517
Good to know, because this shit is lame right now.
They could have spent more time developing the plot if they didn't throw in 12 filler episodes...
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>>10199544
I know what Johan is all about, but the episode gave no explanation as to why Johan turned back into Yuji. He just was, then wasn't. And then Pheles ran off. I mean, I sort of get what's going on, but I feel rushed here.
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>>10199617
Because Johan isn't Yuuji, he's just in the Reiji Maigo.
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>>10199629
But after being released, why would he go back inside? Weren't the two of them lovers who had been yearning to meet once more after centuries?
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>>10199661
Remember the reason he was sealed in the first place? He was going to die without it. He wasn't going to be a dick and take Yuuji's body. They met, that was enough.
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Blaze - Kotoko

T-up/T-down?
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>>10199720
Up
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>>10199661
Johann's not an asshole, he's fine with Yuji taking this second life he's been given. Unlike Tomogara, he was in the end also fine with being a mortal, even if he had wanted to spend eternity with his love

the only reason he bothered to come out was to fill Pheles in on why Silver is breaking out of yuji's chest and what Bal Masque's plan really is, WHICH WILL BE EXPLAINED TO US VIEWERS SHORTLY. (t-minus 12 hours...FUCK YES)
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>>10199720

down
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>>10199828
faget
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>>10199720
up. Shana has excellent opening and ending themes. Except for that ED with the diva-sounding granny.
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>>10199695
>>10199821
Ok. I was operating under the assumption that he was a douche who couldn't wait to be free, even if it meant Yuji's death. That clears things up a bit for me, thanks.
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>>10199821
FUCK YES 12 HOURS... Oh God, please, I want this season to end awesomely and then for season 3 to come. Please don't let them fuck up the ending. O Lord, if you do this for me, I promise to post fewer images of Jesus being assfucked.
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>>10199892
Pheles is just like that because she's a Tomogara. They take whatever the hell they feel like.

Johann, having started out as a human, figures that he had a good run (He had at least 50+ years together with Pheles), and that this is it. After all, he was the one who made Pheles swear to never consume any more humans, and his wish wasn't just to live forever with Pheles, it was to live forever with Pheles WITHOUT HARMING ANYONE ELSE. Killing Yuji so he can live more or less goes against Johann's principles.
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>>10199821
Not English-speaking viewers ;_;
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If this show doesn't end with Margery fucking the shit out of Keisaku, I'm gonna be fucking pissed. This needs to happen.

Also, I dunno why, but Sabrac was bad-ass. He was your typical masked sword-y villain, but something about him was really cool.
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>>10200021
Shana II is the only thing I'm watching RAWs of this season.
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>>10200045
I'll be surprised if she can even stand after what Yuuji did to her.
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>>10199979
still, this has made the lead up to this week pretty exciting.

"oh god, is JC going to make this pure FAIL or massive EPIC?!"

the lack of spoilers for the last 3 episodes has made me think epic though...
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>>10200068
Don't you mean Shana? I thought she was the one Yuuji raped.
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>>10200073
~de arimasu
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>>10200132
lolno
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>>10200132
Margery gets mind raped.

i.e. MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE HAS BEEN A LIEEEEE!!! Anyway, now's Satou's chance for dispensing the pity sex.
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>>10200073
Shana II is the series I'm currently most excited about.
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>>10200184
hahaha, win
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And damn, will that be some pity sex. I hope she doesn't speak in lame-ass nursery rhymes during sex.
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>>10200200
"Hickory dickory dock..."
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How long was the gap between Shana I and II?
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MORE YOSHIDA PLEASE
I am so taken by far it's not even funny. She's just so awesome and make Shaugan no Shana actually watchable, she keeps the story going and every scene she appears in is by far the best in every episode.
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>>10200200
Marchosias is laughing in the background. Is this awesome?
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>>10200264
0/10

You overdid it.
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>>10200184
SILVER ONLY REACTS TO YOUR WILL, STUPID HOT BITCH. SILVER KILLED THEM FOR YOU, DUMBASS.
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>>10200279
for me? yes.

for satou? no.
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>>10200277
Ugh, fucking newfags....
Season one was 2005-2006.
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>>10200264
Kazumi is awesome. I have such a hard time deciding between her and Shana.
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>>10200279
Yes, very.
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>>10200279
"HA HA HA! ARCH YOUR BACK AND TAKE IT IN THE ASS, MY VIOLATED VESSEL, MARGERY DAW!"

This is indeed awesome.
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>>10200264
Damn, I didn't even catch this until I saw >>10200286

Seems like I'm getting tired. Or my respect for humanity has decreased recently.
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>>10200184

Carameldansen is the only reason I'd watch S2.
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>>10200311
OH GOD, MARCHOSIAS YOU DIRTY, DIRTY MOTHERFUCKING BOOK OF GAR MADNESS.
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Shana better not have some lame-ass "they reveal love, but lol Yoshida won't give up but Yuji is too pussy to make a decision so nothing is resolved romantically." I just finished Zero no Tsukaima and the ending really annoyed the shit out of me.

Unless the end credits is just Kaisaku humping the shit out of Margery. That'd be fine too.
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>>10200264
That's right Yoshida, you should definitely become a more important person in this show by fulfilling your singular purpose:
kill yourself.

for the delicious lesbian sex you'll incur, anonymous shall salute you.
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>>10200311
I just imagined Marco's voice saying that.

It's twisted and brilliant.
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>>10200264

I see what you did there.
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>>10200286
>>10200316
Who cares if he is trolling? Kazumi is such a nice girl. What's with the hate?
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would have made an excellent 12 ep series, if they just cut out all the, BAWW DON'T WANT GIRLFRIEND TO DIE FOR REALS and BAWW NO ONE LIKES ME CUS I'M NORMAL.
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>>10200331
Yuuji in the novels already knows about Yoshida's feelings and they aren't reciprocated, he just can't bring himself to tell her. Though, right now, she thinks 'Yuuji' is dead and Shana is with him, so it's pretty obvious who will win.
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>>10200356
GRRR
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>>10200321
~de arimasu
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>>10200361
Yes, but now they get to sell twice as many DVDs!
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>>10200356

I see what you're trying to do there.
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I can't help but think the animu is gonna fuck up the SnH stuff with an original endning
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>>10200379
touche salesman.
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>>10200379
Grrrrrrr.

Oh well, at least I got to fap to Mamiko Noto's voice for a while.
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>>10200395
Did it with the first season, why not the second?
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Yoshida does indeed suck as a character, but she is pretty damn hot. We should just get MASSIVE FANSERVICE of her all packed into one hot-blooded episode and then have her die off.
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>>10200395
>gonna fuck up the SnH stuff

Nooooooooooo!
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>>10200420
would be for the best
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>>10200264
SARCASIM ENGINE FULL DRIVE?
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Has Ike disappeared yet?
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I'm seriously not trolling. I really like Yoshida as a character. She's worthless, but that is her appeal. She struggles to be noticed, and it's sad and adorable at the same time. If you want to hate somebody for being worthless, why not pick Oga?
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>>10200523
Ogata is awesome, and Kazumi is not.
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>>10200506
I love that rumor.
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>>10200489
YAR
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>>10200506

12 HOURS MOTHERFUCKER!
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>>10200534
Awesome at standing still in Fuzetsus and getting blown up.
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>>10200506
protip: As lulz as that would be, THE IKE TORCH IS A LIE!
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>>10200523
Because Ogata fucking rivals Shana in hotness. And she also gives hope to a male side character actually getting laid.
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>>10200523
What? Oga's a cute character, and people don't hate Yoshida because she's worthless. They hate her because she is A FUCKING ANNOYING INTERFERING BITCH WHO NEEDS TO DIE
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>>10200523
Because Ogata is not a blind, desperate idiot who reminds me of my own failure as a man.
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>>10200539
you're welcome.
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>>10200580
Are you the anon who started that? Damn you.
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OH GOD OGATA AND SHANA ARE HOT
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>>10200593
Technically, the Japanese fans started it. I just spread it to 4chan.

But come on, if it hadn't sounded good, no one would have believed me, now would they?
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>>10200609
OH GOD YOU'RE RIGHT!

>>10200580
Thank you.
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Alright, I stopped watching long ago. What happened recently?
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>>10200609
why u do this?
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>>10200630
Why does Ike remind me of me?
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>>10200644
unlimited blade works.
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>>10200630
I normally wouldn't have went along with it, but it was pretty believable.
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>>10200630
The rumor is confirmed in Shakugan no Shanatan: The Movie.
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>>10200367

That's much fucking better.
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>>10200560
You're joking. First of all, nothing rivals Shana in hotness. On top of that, Oga is way down there on the list. She's far too plain. Kazumi is much more attractive.

>>10200566
Her dedication to her feelings is admirable. Yuji is too dumb to read Shana's feelings for him anyway, so it's not like she's interfering that much. She's just trying her hardest ;_;
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>>10200668
Because he's already dead.
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>>10200684
Also, Yuuji pretty much confessed to Shana, so it's obvious what they think of eachother. Snake fucked everything up though.

>>10200698
Don't underestimate the hotness of a tomboy.
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>>10200670
see, this time I'm being honest. (or am I?)

It was in the Shana-tan movie because it was a popular joke/psuedo-theory among the Japanese fans, as Ike would just stop being relevant to the plot and thus not appear for multiple volumes at a time.
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They ever explain why Yoshida is immune to the Fuzetsus?
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>>10200767
She got that necklace from that guy.
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>>10200767
.....I thought they went over it in the first season.
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>>10200698
Oga may be inferior to Shana, but at least she's not annoying. I have no issues with her as a character.
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>>10200767
She got something from that dude in the first season. I forget what exactly. I should have re-watched S1.
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>>10200767
yo.
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>>10200786
Oga is very annoying. She's a meddler, and she's much more up front and direct about it. Kazumi is restrained in her approaches.
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>>10200833
Kazumi's restraint is exactly why she's fucking unbearable.
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>>10200833
A meddler? What the hell is she meddling in? She has no interest in Yuuji, also she's going out with that guy whose name I forget right now.
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>>10200859
but also what makes the shana-tan version awesome

"I'll kill you"
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>>10200833
Kazumi is PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE and also a dumb twat.

Oga is DIRECT and also blushes cutely.
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>>10200872
She doesn't meddle with Yuji, she just shows up every now and then and says "Hey guys, let's do this blah blah blah" in attempt to get Eita. It's annoying.
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>>10200833
>she's much more up front and direct about it. Kazumi is restrained in her approaches.
Read: Kazumi is wallpaper, Oga is a person.
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>>10200833
>>10200872
She was forceful in getting people together to do something, and that's what it fucking takes in real life.

But I wouldn't know, I just had to pull this shit every week or so to get my slowass friends to do anything not school or weaboo-related.
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>>10200806
I thought this dude would be an annoying fgt when I first saw him, but he turned out pretty awesome.
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>>10200872

Why, she is meddling in the Eita/Keisaku pairing ... the fat yaoi fangirls do not like Oga.
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Ugh, you're all faggots.
More Kazumi for me.
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Whenever Yoshida goes 'Sakai-kun...', I want to punch my monitor.
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>>10201024
(´Д`;)ハアハア
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>>10201029

So you are in your 1061th monitor then ...
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>>10201073
you're gonna have to explain this one to me
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>>10201029
DO IT FAGGOT!
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>>10201095
>>10201073
I was just thinking the same thing.
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>>10201095
Your first day here, huh?
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>>10201029
I get close to becoming physically violent just hearing her voice and her whining over Yuuji. More like "NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN."
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>>10201095
"HaaHaa". A sound of arrousal. At the very least, work the face out dude.
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>>10201132
No, I just can't make out what he's doing.

つ_つ
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Gambatte Oga - you'll get invited to the Flame Haze Club eventually!

>>10201055
>One thousand and sixty-first-th
Say this out loud.
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>>10201155
I assumed it was part of the emote, and didn't bother to read it. My bad.
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Gambatte Oga - Tanaka will return your love some day!
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ITT we get annoyed when we don't have every detail about story elements drilled into our brain over and over like Naruto, as soon as they're introduced.
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>>10201208
SAKAI-KUN!
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Novel Yoshida is awesome
Anime Yoshida is such a fail
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>>10201306
Interesting. One more reason to give them a look, I guess.
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>>10201161
Oga-chaaaaan!! Why she is so cute?

Even the author doesn't like Kazumi. Why else would her power be to kill herself?
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>>10201306
Novel Yoshida awesome? Explain!
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>>10201372
So she can become a Flame Haze aka one of the Cool Kids.
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>>10201396
because by this point in the story, instead of that "I want to be with Sakai-kun" every 5 minutes, she's more like "...since I love him, I'm willing to die to protect Sakai and Shana's love."

now that's fucking hardcore.
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>>10200430

i lol'd
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>>10201396
Anime Yoshida is a selfish bitch
Novel Yoshida is not all the time repeting "Sakai-kun" and she actually is willing to sacrifice herself for the sake of Yuuji and Shana
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>>10201717
she's like anime!satou on steroids.
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HOW MANY HOURS UNTIL 8:52?
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>>10201886
8:52
- 1:26
_________
7:26 hours left
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best part of S2
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>>10202344
Is that the girl from Hidamari Sketch?
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This Yoshida hating is retarded.

Seriously, she's just a girl in love with a guy. Why should she give up on it?

In other hand Sakai is pretty dense, instead of telling her already how he really feels about her, he just keep pushing things and doesn't care.

If you guys want to blame someone, it must be Sakai not Yoshida.
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This is Yoshida's special ability
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>>10202432
anime yuji is just too fucking stupid to blame.
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>>10202432
It's retarded because it doesn't need to take up half a fucking episode showing her thinking about the guy she likes and not doing anything about it. I'm pretty sure everyone on /a/ watches Shana for the fighting and OH GOD SHANA IS IN BANDAGES and not for "I like Sakai-kun..... no... I can't like him.... Oh wait I like him again" dialogue for every motherfucking episode
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>>10202542
Signed.
I swear, if i hear that "I won't lose!" one more time...
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>>10202542
Then you should blame JC Staff, not her.
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>>10202731
That is a pretty retarded argument.
You shouldn't dislike a character because she's unlikeable, and should instead blame the animation company for making her unlikeable? Lol whut?
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>>10202816
so we blame the original writer of the story?
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>>10202816
>It's retarded because it doesn't need to take up half a fucking episode(...)

Read what he said. He said he hated her because she has too much air time.

You're just being unreasonable.
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>>10202816

No, you are the retardo if you failed to "get it".
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>>10202731
By what you said then no anime is bad, it's the company's fault.
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>If you guys want to blame someone, it must be Sakai not Yoshida.

It's part JC Staff's fault for making Kazumi such a selfish whore, but even you can't blame Yuuji even in the novel where Kazumi is a lot better as a character.

Yuuji's only shown marginal interest in her, ever. He's always loved Shana, but has never been forthright with his feelings because he didn't know if Shana loved him back. And with he r attitude, it's not surprising.

The first thing SnH SY did when he came back was tried to woo Shana, then he confessed to her and SHE rejected him. He didn't even bother with Kazumi, hell he told that bitch off.
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>>10202870

Oh?

Ever heard of ORIGINALS or you are too FUCKING STUPID to realize not ALL anime is based on manga, games and/or novels?
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>>he confessed to her and SHE rejected him

I thought that she was really shocked, not that she refected him...

Well kinda obvious, he's not the Yuuji that Shana loved anymore
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>>10203001
>rejected, I mean



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