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Why is it so much better than SAO in every single way?

I mean, it is actually good. If you've ever played an MMO, they actually get most things right. It is legitimately interesting as well, with the question over NPC sentience. The world itself is really interesting.

We're still a few years away from a half-world project ourselves of course.
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>>101965459
because the author designed the game structure first and then he made the series around it.

he has enough info on elder tale for it to be an actual game.
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DATABAIT DATABAIT, WE'RE POSTING IN A DATABAIT THREAD
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Because everything sorta makes sense in terms of gameplay and whatnot.

Also, the characters don't break game rules with the magical power of writer's convenience. Well, yet anyway.
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>>101965459
While they share settings, SAO is a shitty adventure-beat-the-big-bad story with terrible writing, and Log Horizon is an absurdist fiction that concerns the interactions between players without much regard as to why they're in it to begin with.
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>>101965459
>>101967139
>>101968056
Add to this that the characters aren't Mary Sues/Gary Stues.

>>101969913
Dude, they are trying to find out why they are here in the first place.
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If Log Horizon is so much better than Sword Arts Online, why don't people die when they die?
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>>101970243
They are, but that's because it'd be natural to do so. I more or less mean the lengthy, unnecessary explanations in SAO as to how the helmets work. Plot device, who cares.
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>>101970355
Add to this that they had to get accustomed to the Elder Tale world, get their shit together, then bring in order into Akibahara and loads of other stuff. Plus I need to watch a couple of episodes because I couldn't due to exams.
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>>101970302
MMORPG mechanics.
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Because WAR TACTICS, OP.
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>>101970472
That's what I mean though. The absurdist part is how the people in the world manage an economy and so on. A coup-d'etat involving selling off McD's? brilliant.
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>>101970568
That part was fun. You have to agree.
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>>101970644
All of it's fun. Are we on the same wavelength? I keep saying the best bits of Log(H) concern absurdism and not the adventure aspect. It doesn't feel even remotely to similar to SAO
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Sword art online begins with kirito worrying about having to get stronger.

Log horizon begins with shiroe worrying about what will happen with no laws or government.

Do the maths.
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I enjoy the characters and all, and I hated SAO as well, but I can't shake this bland sense of pointlessness when watching Log Horizon. No one can die, and there's really no pressing conflict at all.
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Because besides a general main setting of the story, it's completely different. Also because DATABASE WOW WOW
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I'm reading the LN right now and I'm just not "getting it."

I get that this is supposed to be very MMO focused, not just in terms of setting, but is it going to be "let's go defeat the raid boss because there is fuck all to do otherwise?"
What mindset should I have when I reading?

I'm honestly trying to give it a chance.
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>>101970749
Sorry about that. Wavelength problems due to being on multiple threads and doing /tg/ related stuff simultaneously, so I'm a little whirled.

Yes, the absurdity is what makes the show fun, but even the adventure aspect is done well.

Added to this the danger of completely losing memory makes it even spicier.

>>101970875
Dude, they can completely lose their memories if they die too often.
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>>101970875
I think they did well with the "lose memories when you die" part.
If Elder Tale had a EXP penalty for dying and the players are the characters now, then of course their memories are their EXP now.
Forgetting about your previous life in your original world seems pretty terrifying to me too, so it's not like dying is no big deal.
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>>101970875
Why are people so peeved at the fact that no one dies? Have they not played an mmorpg before? Even a very casual one? This fact actually sold me to try the series out lest be disappointed with another my dramuh hack fest.
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>>101970875

You can have conflict without the adventurers worrying about death. The landers can die, the memory thing, and just the plain outright mental condition of everyone. Even though the newbies held by Hamlin weren't threatened with death, they were clearly suffering.
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>>101970996
How do we make a world that's totally "post-scarcity" livable without us getting totally bored and listless? You bypass the default economy and create your own systems. Become the leader of a guild and play-act politics just like people do just now with MMOs
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>>101970996

Its about people trying to adjust to a new life and the rules surrounding it I think.
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>>101971096
But see that's the problem, It feels too much like play-acting.

Right now I'm at the part where the MC is bitching about PvP and it just makes me roll my eyes.
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>>101965459
Because SAO is a romance anime and Log Horizon is an adventure & world building show?
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>you will never play a game as good as Elder Tale
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>>101971096
>>101971158

Its actually about Tom Hanks imagining being in another life while being a castaway on a remote tropical island going insane
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>>101971217
Brilliant.
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>>101971206

Then why does SAO have more adventure and worldbuilding? Kirito actually goes on adventures and dungeon raids and CHANGES THE WORLD.
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>>101971217
You could say that about any anime, though.
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>>101965459
I wouldn't even compare the 2 shows.
Aside from the general setting they don't have much in common.
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>>101971175

What do you mean play-acting? And you have to remember that everyone is seeing things from their own perspective. Not a video game.

Going around murdering unwilling people, even if they come back to life, isn't cool.
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>>101971279
Do you even know what worldbuilding means?
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>>101971286

Oh really? Why would Tom Hanks imagine himself as Kyousuke in Ore no Imouto? Why would he subject himself to such mental torture?

No, the real answer is Shiroe is a self insert of Tom Hanks.
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>>101971279
He's a Gary Stu.
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>>101971354

Its the goal of Minecraft
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>>101971313
It just makes the MC come off as a carebear. Yeah, nobody likes RDMers, but PvP is a respectable way of playing the game. It's not badwrong fun.
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>>101971455
That's too literal.
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>>101971279

But SAO has almost no worldbuilding. And MC only goes on adventures and stuff to win over or save the girl.
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>>101971465
ganking lowbies is not respectable in the slightest.
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>>101971465
PKing isn't pvp.
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>>101971537

So Batman can change the world but Kirito can't?
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>>101971556
Fighting against level 90 players is, though. Which was the context of what I'm talking about. The MC was bitching to no end about how much of a SHAMEFUR DISPRAY it was for there to be PvP at all.
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>>101971465
I think they're just confusing PvP with ganking, or it might be a cultural thing.

>>101971279
In SAO, the world merely exists to allow Kirito to show off.

In LH, the characters exist to show off the world itself, which actually responds to their presence. By comparison, Aincrad is just cold and hollow.
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>>101971465

He's not going "EW ALL PVP IS BAD."

He's making a point of in a world where EVERYTHING IS REAL LIFE, ganking (murdering) lowbies because your bored is pretty bad.

I doubt Shirou would care if 2 willing groups set up a fight with each other.
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>>101971645
He actually did say PvP was bad. He claimed that people who engage in PvP do so because PvE was too tough for them.

Which is a ridiculous notion because the exact opposite is true.
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>>101971629
I think in context he was talking about ganking since the PKers they fought only shoewed up when they thought they had an advantage. Also, a lot of PvPers were extorting their targets, which is never cool.
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>>101971744

They go and fight some players later on in a rescue anyway, if thats all you care about. PvP isn't everything in an MMO.
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>>101971744

Not when you're part of a gank squad that always outnumbers and gangs up on victims. The bulk of MMO PvP (in the old days) was always PK ganking and efforts to hunt them. Guild vs Guild combat comes second.
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>>101965459
Because BASED RUDY
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>>101971915
>>101971789
Well, if that is how it is intended to be interpreted, I'll keep it in mind.
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>SAO
>interesting setting that focuses entirely on uninteresting character development
>couldve taken place in a fantasy world just as easily as a "game"

>LH
>interesting setting that focuses on the interesting setting
>interesting setting developes alongside the characters

The difference is LH knows it's strengths and uses them. SAO lured people in with it's setting, and then gave them MARRIAGE AND CHILDREN AND TRAGEDY.

I don't know if I can explain it any better.
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>>101972095

LH is a Tolkien clone while SAO is a Shakespearean epic
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>>101971744
>Which is a ridiculous notion because the exact opposite is true.

This has always been wrong.
A fight between two players is ideally decided by skill and the loser is the one who makes some sort of mistake first. Fights can be easy if your opponent is retarded and extremely hard if you're fighting a smart player. Nevertheless, you always have a chance if your enemy isn't outgearing you to the point where it's ridiculous.

Meanwhile PvE encounters are balanced by the dev and can be so easy that they're trivial and boring or so poorly balanced that they're literally impossible even if you walk in with the best gear and have flawless execution in your strategy.
Saying one of the two things is generally harder than the other is just wrong.
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>>101972142
get a load of this guy
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>>101971465
You're right but it's different when you are actually the character you once played behind a computer screen, who would actually want to die like that?
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>>101972142
It's you again.
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>>101972142
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>>101972095
SAO shouldn't have been made into an Anime. This isn't me shit-posting, considering I enjoyed it and such.
The story of the first arc has a scattered timeline, but the first book is pretty straight forward with the "Romance" and "Marriage" part. But the first book alone wasn't enough to make an anime, so they shoved in other side-stories (that the author used to expand the world a bit, and introduce more characters), and then forced them into chronological order... (And you're right that "VRMMO" was just used as a setting,)

In all, the main line-up for SAO shouldn't be made into an Anime, the way they it was.
Personally I think the Progressive series should have been made into an Anime, because then we'd get different characters being developed, focus some more on the setting, and not have the obscene time-skips.
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>>101972508
I'm still mad about what they did to Devil May Cry.
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>>101972508

Oh please spare me your delusions. SAO is exactly what people want out of an MMORPG anime.
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between a party of SAO and a party of LH, which of the two would win? gary stu powers combined
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>>101972802
>SAO is exactly what people want out of an MMORPG anime

Which means they want an anime with almost no focus on MMORPG mechanics at all.
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>>101965459
Because they're of a completely different genre
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>>101972825
>different games
SAO would win if they have Kirito, because gary stu.

Otherwise the Log Horizon party would crush the SAO party simply because LH has ranged characters, mages and healers.
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>>101965459
Because it makes n00bs into important characters. And all of the cast is kind of...fluffy and completely inoffensive.
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>>101971625
Batman can't change anything.
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Log Horizon is aimed at a younger demographic. Or at least the anime adaption is. It's a state-funded NHK-Educational show.

It couldn't be as shitty as SAO if it wanted to.
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>>101971556
Maybe not in Log Horizon, but in the regular world it could be hilarious.

http://liquidcode.org/~lostman/wow/dkeserver.se/stuff/angwe/
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>>101973172

So Log Horizon is a children's show, and Sword Arts Online is a serious dramatic work aimed at mature audiences? Got it.
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>>101973218
No no, SAO is otaku pandering garbage for pedophiles.
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>>101973207

Thats not worldstarhiphop
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It's pretty good I don't see why they need to explain the basics of an MMO like party PVP etc, I'm sure 99.9 percent of people who watch anime have played an MMO before but the characters are really decent and the story telling is going good so far.

I hate Minori though.
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>>101973266
>for pedophiles
>A single loli appears within a single episode + 1 scene.
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>>101973266
Huh? Where did you take the pedo bit from? I could understand SAO being aimed at NTR fetishists and incestuous imouto-lovers, but definitely not pedos.
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I just wish we had more hints what was going on in the rest of the world

considering cultures
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>>101973358
>I'm sure 99.9 percent of people who watch anime have played an MMO before but the characters are really decent and the story telling is going good so far.

Not everyone in japan is a fat otaku. Kids actually watch anime over there, especially on NHK.
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>>101973359
>official artwork
keep lying to yourself, PEDO
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>>101973358
MMOs aren't nearly as popular in Japan as in the West.
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>>101973374
That's what spinoffs are for, of course if the author wants to expand on it later after he finishes the main story.

Hell, as far as the world in LH is concerned there might even be a Elder Tale equivalent of Raoh that exists.
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>>101973218
No. LH is more kids channels-friendly, whereas SAO is...at first I wanted to say 'aimed at teenagers', but then I remembered the rapist elf prince...
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>>101973374
I wanna learn more about the Edgy Night Swords guild
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>>101973172
I find it ironic at how both shows ended up targeting the wrong crowd
SAO -> angsts xbawks kiddos "I identify with kirito couse he suffers like me"
LH -> people who actually have a legal age to go to a man on a mission concert (and are willing to)
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>>101973358
I've never played an MMO, but it's still perfectly coherent. The show is less about MMO mechanics and more about how people on the internet are dicks.
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>>101973358
Protip: if a show airs in the early morning/airs with a clock in the corner/airs on NHK/airs with hardsubbed japanese karaoke for the OP and ED, it's most likely a children's anime. For children.
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>>101973525
>Raoh
you mean the guy tat wanted to defeat the heavens?
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>>101973461
Yui then? She wasn't even sexualized within the anime in any way.
That image... Don't know where that's from.
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>>101973678

LH confirmed for Precure-tier kiddie shit
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>>101973678
and to teach children not to be douche bags that think to work hard for the world
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>>101973735
TTGL too.
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>>101965459
It plays like a MMO, if Kirito tried pull that lone wolf crap in any group game outside his, he would get his shit kicked in by the first raid boss who requires not a only team but a well coordinated one as well.
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>>101973536
It was aimed at teenagers, the first arc at least.
Plus the show was average and standard before hitting the gutter when Fairy Dance started
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>>101972142
No
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>>101973735
Well, I like kids' show
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>>101973461
I want to fuck Yui
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>>101973735
edgy
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>>101973775
>he would get his shit kicked in by the first raid boss
Well, he didn't fight the boss alone. The anime made it seem like he did all the work, once everything went to shit, but they cut out how after he lost most of his HP, he had to sit on the side-lines for several minutes, while he healed using shitty HoT potions, while other players (like Agil's party, and a couple others as well) fought it.
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>>101973775

That only means its a shit tier MMO. The ideal MMO should reward talented people for being gifted, like Starcraft 2.
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>>101973678
Shit, now I feel bad for liking this show.
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>>101973744
and to teach children that you can jew yourself trough any situation even.
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>>101973990
That's the spirit!
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>>101973970
>SC2
>Not RA
>Not AoE2
>Not SC1
>Not WC3
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>>101972913
>>101973775
If Kirito tried engaging the Log Horizon guild with Asuna at his side they'd still get their shit kicked in. Double Thorn Bind into Nyanta's million attacks per second would destroy one of them in no time. Naotsugu's taunts ruins their ability to go after Shiroe if they survived Double Thorn Bind, and Akatsuki would just Assassinate them when they're low.
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>>101974012
its such a good way to take power
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>>101974012
In other words LH teaches kids how to succeed as politicians.
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>>101973374
Goddamnit /a/, this is making me sore.

Every single day.
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>>101971937
He has more character in his fist than the entire cast of SAO put together.
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>>101973931

How is that edgy?

Log Horizon is so dumbed down it leaves out sex and rape, while Sword Arts Online tackles those subjects. Its the same kind of difference in maturity and depth that exists between Pretty Cure and Madoka Magica.
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>>101974240
manga covers rape but reading is for faggots right?
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>>101974240
>while Sword Arts Online tackles those subjects.
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>>101974240
>I watch mature anime for mature people such as myself
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>put Shirou in SAO and it becomes an utopia
>put Kirito in Elder Tale and it's still a shithole full of emos and ganksquads

Why are you so shitty, Kirito?
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>>101974240
You're pretty sad
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>>101974240
>tackles
all the rape offered by Oberon the Elf is purely for shock value.
deal with it.
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>>101974117
>Pure Melee game against Magic/Melee Oriented game
Is that even fair?

I mean, if they were in their ALO avatars, it would be considerably more fair, minus the flying.
Though, cast times are different, seeing as most Elder Tales spells are almost instantly activated, and may just require some movement, while ALO spells require long chants (which uses sounds that Japanese people aren't even use to.)

In all, you really can't pin two different games against each other.

>>101974427
>Becomes a utopia
Except that food had taste, and people who died, died. Soooo...
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>>101973678
Then fansubbers do the same for every other series.
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>>101972142
Tolkien created mythology for his country.

Will made bathroom jokes for nobles.
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>>101974486
Pretty much this.
Kawahara loves to use rape and molestation for the sake of getting his readers (in this case viewers) to HATE the EVIL VILLAIN, and wish death on them.
Of course, each time that it happens, they just get the shit beaten out of them, and sent to jail... Except for the last time, where the guy gets his arms cut off, and he dies
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>>101965459
Both were shit. I dropped Log of Shit about 5 episodes ago, after i realized that all they did was talk.
Literally no action. Way to dull to be a video game. The best comparison I can give is that this is what WoW would be like if all you could do is read quest logs. 3/10 anime
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>>101974427
>implying our lord and savior Kirito wouldn't strike down all evildoers
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>>101974240
>SAO
>Depth
Depth in what, exactly? There's no depth in the characters or the setting. And throwing in sex hardly makes something mature.
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>implying LH isn't kiddie edgy shit too
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>>101965459
>We're still a few years away from a half-world project ourselves of course.
I recall reading on RPS about a team that was planning to map the earth with drones or something for their game.
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>>101974669
Its just japan trying to brainwash their kids into nationalism
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>>101974634
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>>101974669
It's not possible to be edge when you named your character "Krusty".
Also it's not edgy to senmetsu goblins.
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>>101970302
Oh but they do. They die when they die, as what they do when they die is, as defined in-universe, dying. It's a different meaning, but the meaning of dying nonetheless.
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>>101972142
Someone needs to hold a skull and recite
"2 years worth of semen made a glopping noise as it flowed endlessly into asuna."
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So /a/, Tetra or Marielle?
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>>101974820
Tetra
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>>101974820
Isuzu.
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>>101974782
Shit, I'm trying to imagine what the nobles and the king thought of him when he first introduced himself
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>>101974820
Roe2
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>>101974803
>どくん、どくん、と二年分の精液が際限なくアスナの中に流れ込んでいく。
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>>101974669
Where is it edgy? Or do you Movement for Equal Rights for Goblins or something? By those standards Lord of The Rings is the edgiest shit.
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>>101974820
Rudy
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>>101974894
They probably don't understand the meaning of his name, as they only know Japanese and all..

And then there's Rudy...
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>>101974820
The one with the fists
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>comparing SAO and LH despite the fact that the only thing the two shows share is that it's set in a game and they can't leave, and even that part is different in execution
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>>101974953

Lord of the Rings is actually edgy, racist, and nationalist, according to Hayao Miyazaki
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>>101974930
Eleven please go.
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>>101974988
Why does he talk with those expressions
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>>101975069
Well, it is
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>>101975069
And he is totally right. I still enjoy it though.
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>>101974669
It's not edgy.

Wouldn't you act like that that if your video game character became you, where combat was your favorite part of the game, and you were immortal?
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>>101975134
Probably an American Lander, who ran-away from home, and crossed the sea via boat..?
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>>101975175
No
I'd pretty much be like Soujiro
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>>101975220
Westaboo lander
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>>101974782
>it's not edgy to senmetsu goblins

l remember cooking baby goblins alive as a LG Paladin, killing a gob is never a chore.
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>>101975249
Anon.. I don't thing anyone here being like Soujiro is a possibility...
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>>101973461
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>>101965459
First
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>>101975069
It is, just like any other fairy tale fantasy that came before it.
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>>101975151
>>101975168

no you faggots the correct answer is hes wrong and he views LotR through his cultural lens of growing up from post-war Japan; and he sees the other villain races as being allusions to Asians while glorifying white people as bastions of heroism - ignoring the presence of the other important races of Middle Earth and the underlying premise of mankind being inherently flawed and petty at its core
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>>101975220
Actually, what's Rudy's back-story anyways? I recall the books explained he was a run-away or something, right?
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>>101975345
>I don't thing
You're right
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>>101975420
I think he was a noble from a family that fell on hard times? I don't quite remember.
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>>101975345
If you got to know me better you'd learn it may be possible
Plus I also liked being a tank in MMO's
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>>101975399

Fairy tales were first and foremost cautionary and sensationalistic. What they ended up becoming over time is a subject of romanticism.
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>>101975494
I was only referring to the attracting multiple women without effort.
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>>101975543
Oh
That
If you act nice and have the appearance of your character then why not
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>>101975483
I know he was a noble, but does it ever explain from where? I mean, him being an American lander who crossed the seas, doesn't sound to far-fetched, thinking about it.
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>>101975401
Behold
>Talking Out of My Ass: The Prime Example.
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>>101972866
That's right, if i wanted to know about MMORPG mechanics i'll just play one
SAO has plot device, plot armor and gary stu MC?
I don't give a shit as long as it is interesting, oh and i also like LH
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>>101975665

The fact that SAO has all of those things and still has an interesting story is a testament to the great quality of its writing
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>>101975759
delusion/10
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>>101975759
Cmon anon, I thought SAO was pretty good but there's on arguing the story wasn't illogical and full of asspulls.
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>>101975853
no it's just the shitty fanbase and haters that ruins everything
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>>101975912
To put things into perspective, when originally writing SAO, Kawahara had no writing experience to speak of.
The closest thing he had to making a story was being the artist to some doujinshi groups in college.

To say his early writing was pretty low in quality isn't even an insult to him, considering how he's developed. (Each SAO arc is better than the previous. Except Fairy Dance, fuck Fairy Dance..)
And now he's writing 3 simultaneous stories at once... (4 if you count Progressive)
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>>101975630
That shot still gets me
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>>101970302
Because it's a game.

Do you die when you play a game?
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>>101975912
>fanbase and haters
>ruin everything

sure, because any good work can be ruined by people that have no effect on story, art, character development and overall work.

Some things are just bad. Not because of people that hate it or like it.
Get real
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>>101965459
>If you've ever played an MMO, they actually get most things right.

Maybe for noobs, but they don't do anything that an elite player would do. Not even someone who is just sort of good. Like I'm not seeing any Crowd Control Chains, no kiting until cooldowns are up. Nothing.

Just standard casual use a CC on cooldown and wait for the NPC to chew through my health while waiting on more cooldowns.
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>>101976320
The entire show and books make points to the contrary.
>"This is our reality now"

Aditionally, in games, you can't kill NPCs (and if you can, they respawn)
Not in LH.
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>>101976248
Adding to this, even he acknowledges that Kirito was too perfect of a main character, which was one of the reasons for him to start writing Progressive. Kirito was so flawless in fact, that he wrote Haruyuki to be his opposite.

>three
Wait, he is? I know about AW, but what is the third?
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>>101973951

>2014
>Defending Kirito
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>>101976403
>Wait, he is? I know about AW, but what is the third?

Some new series about tiny aliens and superpowers.
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>>101976403
Absolue Solitude. He announced it at the end of the last Accel World. Should come out around June, if he follows his usual schedule, seeing as SAO V14 comes out in April.
It's another one of his old Web Novels, so I'm not expecting TOO much, given that he started on this around the time he was writing Fairy Dance, (though I could be completely wrong, as that's an estimation based on years)

>>101976414
I'm not sure how that's defending Kirito. I just pointed out that the first floor boss battle was pretty badly butchered (all of Episode 2 was butchered, but yeah)
>Diavel loses all his HP
>Gives a 5 minute speech before dying
What the fuck?
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>>101976403

You know he is super talented when his worst work is his most popular bestseller
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>>101975912
>fanbase
IRC deteced
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>>101976015

???
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>>101976942
Party chat
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I wanna see more Krusty action on the field
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>>101965459
>dog shit is better than horse shit
Its still shit anon
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>>101971629
>The MC was bitching to no end about how much of a SHAMEFUR DISPRAY it was for there to be PvP at all
I think he was angry about people killing others because they've got nothing better to do, which is kind of sociopathic when they're no longer just lifeless avatars.

Also I think the Japs don't think highly of ambushes and ganking. They're fine with honor duels or whatever.
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And this is how a low quality bait looks like, dear new friends.
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>>101976401
Not all games will let NPCs just respawn.

I am not sure about MMOs now since I don't play them anymore, but I remember a quest in one that I played a long while ago that you had to protect the towns of the server you played on, and if you failed, the banker of said town would die, and be gone permanently.
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>>101975596
He's probably from Japan. I think the nobles are generally Caucasian type European stereotypical nobility. I recall one scene where an adventurer was talking about Reynesia from afar saying she was a Caucasian type
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>>101977406
Ganking sure as hell doesn't sound fine when the newbs you gank over and over lose all their money, can't even go out to earn more and are forced to starve in the streets only to revive in the cathedral and wait until they starve again.

They even said there's no point in killing low level people since they don't have any valuable things with them anyway. They're just killing them for fun.
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>>101979324
>They're just killing them for fun.

That certainly sounds like a point to me.
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>>101965459
>Why is it so much better than SAO in every single way?
LH is about discovery and finding meaning in life. SAO is about feels.
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>>101979490
Well yeah.
Except it's not a game anymore.
Violence in real life does have a point most of the time and yet no one thinks anyone should be freely allowed to beat up people for fun.
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>>101979490
>That certainly sounds like a point to me.

When something is pointless it means it lacks meaning. There's no meaning in fun. It's just fun.
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>>101970875
Except the slut who owns the entire city and sends those who dont join her to be locked in the.cathedral to slowly starve to death over and over while losing their memories until they either join her or forget why theyre there.
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>>101979933
But fun is the meaning of never ending life.
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>>101979944
>[ ] Season 2 never because they can't air that stuff on an educational channel
>[ ] Season 2 happens but everything questionable is removed
Choose one.
Though, a cute Log Horizon SoL series does sound nice.
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I just finished volume 6. I need a new LN to read guys.
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>>101981298
Any is fine?
The Circumstances Leading To Waltraute's Marriage.
It's fun as fuck.
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>>101965459
>If you've ever played an MMO, they actually get most things right
Nope.
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>>101971279
>Then why does SAO have more adventure and worldbuilding? Kirito actually goes on adventures and dungeon raids and CHANGES THE WORLD.

Here's how Kirito changes the world:
>ATTACK FASTER FASTER FASTER
>Time to use... *that*!
>HAX

Here's how Shiroe and his Allies (Shiroe does very little himself) change the world:
>Politics, Government, Society
>Economics and Technology
>Progress!
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>>101985465
I wish I was here for that.
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>>101974207
But he can't shank a level boss with two swords.
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DATABASE DATABASE
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>>101985465
The beauty of this is, they didn't even bother to break it down in the show. They could have gone into tedious detail about these tactics like that anon did, but they just gave a brief overview with shots of Krusty wercking goblins.
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>I mean, it is actually good. If you've ever played an MMO, they actually get most things right
Are you seriously retarded? Log Horizon is based on like EverQuest or some shit like that with a korean grinder feel to it. Meanwhile SAO is supposed to be something that does not exist yet, a VR MMO.

It's like comparing a MUD to a modern Action MMO.
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>>101986688
>Log Horizon is based on like EverQuest or some shit like that with a korean grinder feel to it
So like an MMO
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>>101976399
>tfw we will never see them talk about abusing stuff like jump casting, weaving and animation canceling
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>>101986688
SAO could never exist because it's so badly designed that its game economy would crash within a month, maybe two. Let's assume there were no "trapping in the game" shit and you didn't die for real, but had to reroll your character from scratch instead. Even then, the game would be untenable after a certain point.

I haven't read the LNs, but from what I've seen in the anime, there's no feasible long term sustainability, it's a game that would collapse in on itself after the first wave of players.
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>>101986781
I know WoW basically caused a huge amount of clones, but there is more than one way to design an MMO.
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>>101986855
>it's a game that would collapse in on itself after the first wave of players.
Like most MMOs then?
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>>101986855
>its game economy would crash within a month, maybe two
What? You base this on what?
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>>101986483
Does he need to? He's an NPC, not some gary stu MC with plot armor
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>>101986908
Most MMOs fail because they are boring WoW clones that do nothing new or interesting, and ultimately WoW acts as a kind of social hub for MMORPG players because so many people play it.

The only MMO in recent memory that failed due to crippling flaws in design was probably SWTOR. Even then those flaws weren't as bad as what I see in SAO. With TOR, the flaws just aggravated players and made them leave out of frustration. In SAO, the game is so badly designed it would literally be unplayable in a matter of months.
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>>101987118
>In SAO, the game is so badly designed it would literally be unplayable in a matter of months
Explain your logic.
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>>101987057
Simply this: bosses do not respawn. GG new players. Good luck getting good drops or participating in any kind of meaningful content that isn't grinding the few mobs you can find. Hell even in the anime they showed how stagnated things got. Lower level players just gave up and lived in the cleared zones. After the first wave of players clears the game there's nothing left to do. It's a game designed to fail after a couple months.
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>>101987118
>He doesn't remember APB
SWTOR didn't do all that great, but APB actually caused the devs to get bankrupted.

As for non-WoW-clones that failed recently, we have TSW. That game tried hard to be innovative and story driven like a single player RPG and it was still a pile of steaming shit and tedious puzzles.
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>>101987263
>Hell even in the anime they showed how stagnated things got. Lower level players just gave up and lived in the cleared zones.

To be fair, that's more of a "I don't want to actually risk my life" rather than a "Geez, there's nothing to do" kind of retreat.
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actually log horizon has more to do with survival and how to organizarze in critical situations such as waking up in the game, almost everything that has happened so far has nothing to do with "MMORPGs". The only thing about the game is the noob party, the rest is nothing but political and organizational form between guilds and players.
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>>101987403
The fact they can live peacefully in the zones at all is a problem. Where are new players supposed to level up? I have it from LN readers that low level mobs do in fact respawn, but the respawn rates are really shitty. That just makes grinding impossible, since the number of low level players will go up thus increasing competition for the sparse mobs that still exist at the lower levels.

This means you have an elite core that can only ever get smaller. The further they press ahead, the more are likely to die and have to restart, but the more new players there are the harder it is to level. But even if there was no competition for leveling they'd probably never catch up again because everything is picked clean and they have no bosses to fight.

It's just untentable.
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>>101987263
As >>101987403 pointed out, most of the lack of high-level players was due to the fear of dying.
And there were a lot of events and quests that were randomly generated by the game's system.

PoH, one of the Game's widely known PKers, ended up with a giant fucking knife, that ignored all defensive stats and armor, and that clearly wasn't a boss-drop.

I'm pretty sure that, if SAO was a real game that wasn't going to be a death-game, there would have been a number of expansions to add more content to do after Aincrad was cleared. (Considering the "Cardinal System" was a very flexible program that created quests on the fly, including Event Bosses with revival items)
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>>101987064
Hah, next episode you'll see his plot armor. For now he just rides a dire wolf while nuking it in the process.
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>>101987641
Doesn't fix these problems: >>101987594

New players will have no way to level and nothing to look forward to except random events.

>muh expansion
Yeah while we're at it let's just say they install a patch that makes bosses respawnable and has consistent gear progression.
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>>101987594
>>101987760
The respawn rate was more than likely lowered, for the mere fact that players are stuck inside the game. Therefore, EXP game is considerably lowered to compensate.

Eitherway, SAO wasn't designed with a long-term game in mind, and you know it. ALO was, though, and it even implemented Aincrad as a "Grant Quest" to clear on the side.
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>>101987663

And what he did made perfect sense in an MMO.

Mages about to lose crowd control; sorcerer with almost no more MP sac-kites mobs away from PT, so that tank can survive until current mobs are dead.
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>>101987952
>The respawn rate was more than likely lowered, for the mere fact that players are stuck inside the game.
Unsubstantiated claim. You might as well claim the bosses actually do respawn even though we never saw it happen and even though they said they don't respawn. You're making up shit to excuse the game's horrid design.

>Eitherway, SAO wasn't designed with a long-term game in mind
Which is why it would never exist as a game and why it makes zero sense as an MMORPG, which are designed to be long term investments for their players and to be accessible to new waves of players.

SAO would break down before players even cleared it if it were implemented. It is just badly designed over all.
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One main reason LH is a masterpiece is because the references are subtle yet glorious.
I bet most of you never noticed this one, for example.
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>>101988148
SAO was designed to be a Fantasy world for Kayaba, so it makes sense within the context of the story. The way the game wouldn't work for a regular game, but it does for a game where you're trapped inside. It was really only popular, in its world, because it was the first VR Game.

ALO on the other hand, I say would make a decent game. (though, the magic system looks very player-unfriendly)
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>>101988080
when you are in a critical condition with just a few monsters to kill, you dont sacrifice your dmgwhore, you sacrifice the tank or the most useless person in the party (minori)
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>>101988148
SAO would break down right from the beginning. Requiring a NerveGear to play means it's ludicrously expensive compared to its competition, even if the experience is more immersive.
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>>101988269
Shit I forgot .hack existed
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>>101988475
//sign is still the best in its genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2lq7qHMcdc

I'm waiting to see if LH will surpass it. Which is unlikely, but possible.
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>>101987594
People live in towns, towns are safe zones.

Aside from that, there are certain floors, specifically the fishing one, where the mobs are easy to avoid/ aren't easily aggro'd.
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>>101988465
How do you know within the context of the world, that NerveGear hasn't been made cost-effective?
Kayaba was supposedly some kind of super-genius, so who knows..?
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>>101988465
there people who would kill or be a prostitute for for play a immersive game
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>>101988465
You're underestimating the want for something like true VR, anon.
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>>101988598
I remember playing //G.U. a lot more
The P.K.K.
That was a fun story and for some reason Marielle reminds me of Atoli but grown up
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>>101988743
I'm a sucker for sad stories. //sign was downright depressing at times.
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>>101988801
//sign was Beetrain-flavored pretentious, coming off the EVA-era early 00's hype train.
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>>101988598
>//sign is still the best in its genre
It's really boring man. The only good thing about it was KaijuraOST
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>>101988080
No it doesn't. And calling that "kiting" is quite a joke. Seriously, does it really make "perfect sense" to self sacrifice when you're the only player who can't be resurrected? Especially when you're the damage dealer as >>101988432 noted.
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>>101989185
>No it doesn't. And calling that "kiting" is quite a joke. Seriously, does it really make "perfect sense" to self sacrifice when you're the only player who can't be resurrected? Especially when you're the damage dealer as >>101988432 noted.

Just a moment before the end, he said he was about to tap out of MP, though. What's a mana-less sorcerer going to do, whiff the mob to death?

Minori hasn't been healing much (due to being the commander), so she should still have some MP left.

Sac-ing the Bard probably makes more sense, depending on how long the song effects last.
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>>101988868
At least it stayed at an even level of coherency throughout and had likable characters.

>>101989118
>boring
Blow me. Many of the best anime around are "boring".
//roots is also very good, but I like //sign better. The other .Hacks are a mixed bag, but are kinda shit for the most part.
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>>101989887
>Blow me
I don't know, sounds like it'd be boring.
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>>101965459
>Satelight
You almost had me OP.
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>>101989313
"I'm low on mana. Suicide time!"
Really?
You should know forced drama when you see one, anon.
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Never watch SAO or whatever you call it before, only see Log Horizon because my bro recommend it and pretty much hook to it right now. But dam all the talk in this thread make me grateful I never watch SAO before. Is SAO that bad or when you compare SAO with Log Horizon, Log just overshadow SAO in every aspect?
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>>101991168
Best not to ask people for their opinion of stuff on /a/
In all, SAO simply didn't meet the expectations that people assumed it would meet, and everyone focuses on the flaws it has.

It's not "great", but it's enjoyable.
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>>101991168
What is personal taste?
/a/ just likes to bash SAO (for a number of good reasons).
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>>101989313
minori actually dont do a shit, she just cast two skill for blocking dmg, you dont need a tactican in party of 5 people that arent even fighting a boss. My nigga Rudy do the most dmg in the party he is the core of the party, the country bard girl do a great duo with rudy and know to CC monster and support the damage dealer, touya isnt the most clever in the party but he know that his role is tanking and agro the monster and do some low dmg, the same go for serara she know that her main role is heal and when she learned that when she isnt healing she can do some low level dmg, but minori dont even atack the enemys she think, she is just watching the hp and mp bars from the party and the monsters when the rest is doing the dirty job, she should know that she have more than 2 skills, and when the damage dealer is out of mana she should have take his role or just go full support and wait for the dmg dealer to regen mana.
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>>101992236
Imagine playing an MMO, where only one player in a party was allowed to have a HUD, because in order to have one up, you have to constantly concentrate on a point on your forehead, and doing so mid-battle nearly guarantees death.
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>>101992401
That would be some really shitty MMO.
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>>101992401
then serara should be tactician, she is the one who is healing, minori cant do anything the only job tha she do is cast a shield spell in the tank and some time cast it in other player with low hp, you dont need to watch the HUD for that. They are better without minori, she is just a leecher than sometime cast skill when she isnt afk.
TLDR Minori a shit, just leeching XP
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>>101992719
She's also their tactician.
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>>101992236
>My nigga Rudy do the most dmg in the party he is the core of the party,
Typical damage-dealing scrub.

Healers > tanks > damage dealers

Tacticians > healers > tanks > damage dealers
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>>101992767
she dont do anything, everyone already learn their roles in the party, she just say "HEAL HIM", "ATACK HIM", in a real party everyone would say "I FUCKING KNOW, SHUT UP AND DO SOMETHING"
>>101992804
>Normal monsters
Dmg dealer>Tank>Support>healer>tactician
>Normal Boss
Healer>Tank>Support >Dmg dealer>tactician
>Raid Boss (15 person or more)
Tactician>Healer>Tank>Support>Dmg dealer
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>>101992977
>in a real party everyone would say "I FUCKING KNOW, SHUT UP AND DO SOMETHING"
Go play low level on any game. People appear to be retarded.
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>>101993051
you know that is true, you're waifu a shit. Just deal with that
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>>101980320
There have been minor implications.

Don't expect actual players starving to death.
Expect them trapped in the cathedral with no escape.
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>>101992977
> Normal monsters
> Dmg dealer>Tank>Support>healer>tactician
Pretty much this. You don't need special tactics for a bunch of lvl 20 noobs. Just basic agro and healing management.
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>>101988598
I hated the .hack anime but liked the games.
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>>101992977
Minori does stuff offscreen
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>>101974052
And which of those is still a popular game today, you hipster fuck? At what point did this comparison make sense?

>SC and AoE/CC mentioned in the same post

well aren't you a 90s kid
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>>101965459
Remind that SAO world created 12 years ago.

MMORPG was not even a major game genre at that time.
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>>101973931
>sex and violence

>mature Chinese cartoons for mature Chinese carton lovers such as myself.
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>>101970875
They can be raped though.
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>>101994961
>MMORPG was not even a major game genre at that time.
SAOfags confirmed for underage.
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>>101988421
>SAO was designed to be a Fantasy world for Kayaba, so it makes sense within the context of the story
Not really the point here. I was originally replying to this stooge: >>101986688 who implied SAO was some kind of futuristic game so we can't criticize it for not making sense as a game. My point is at no point in the future will this trainwreck become a playable game. I agree that it's designed mainly as a fantasy world with some game elements thrown in, but you're wrong about the intention behind it. The purpose of SAO is to make Kirito look good. It's a fantasy world governed by arbitrary rules that he is able to exploit for reasons, which enables him to be better than everybody in an objectively measurable way.

>ALO on the other hand, I say would make a decent game
It's horribly imbalanced, filled with bugs, and its end game makes no sense.
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>>101997045
>Not really the point here. I was originally replying to this stooge: >>101986688 (You) who implied SAO was some kind of futuristic game so we can't criticize it for not making sense as a game
Oi m8 that's not what I implied at all, I meant pretty much what I said. Any comparison between LH's world and SAO's is utterly moot.

>>ALO on the other hand, I say would make a decent game
>It's horribly imbalanced, filled with bugs, and its end game makes no sense.
Eh, I thought the endgame of ALO was faction PvP. Maybe I'm remebering it wrong.
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>>101997557
>Eh, I thought the endgame of ALO was faction PvP. Maybe I'm remebering it wrong.

Pretty much. There's also the underground dungeons of Jotunheimr (cut from the anime), but yeah.
There's the "Grant Quest," that was to gain unlimited flight, but it's not like it would have been the only grand quest. (Aincrad was later added after it was "cleared")
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SAO doesnt have a white guy named Leonardo dressed like a ninja turtle going on an adventure to Japan with a little Japanese girl and a sentient gold farming bot because he thinks Japan is the best country ever
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>>101998332
>mfw I knew a guy in middle school named Leonardo who was a massive weeb
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>>101992977
She casts barriers while also being the tactician.
Also they were against monsters the same level if not higher as them, which in Elder Tales was a very hard thing to do.
Again >>101992401 did you not see how bad they were at the start of the dungeon.

>Normal monsters
healer>tank>dmg>tact
>dungeon level monsters/higher level
Tact>healer>tank>dmg
>Boss
Tact>healer>tank>dmg

Damage dealers are never the most important.
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>>101998855
>Damage dealers are never the most important.
Especially seeing as they had more than one damage dealer, and even Touya had enough damage to deal with most of the monsters they fought.

So to word it better, "An individual damage dealer is never the most important"
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>>101979756

I never felt anything from SAO except frustration at how bad it was. LH is better feels and adventure. It's just better everything.
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>>101999035
Yeah, totally. "We're swarmed, all my skills are on cooldown, the healer is almost out of mana, why the mobs are not dying?? Oh, wait, the damage dealer died and now it takes us a short eternity to kill a goblin.."
In small teams damage dealers are very important. There's a limit of how much time a party can endure in fight and someone need to do the killing. Fast. It's not like they have unlimited time/mana/stamina at their disposal so they can infinitely heal and slowly grind a mob after mob after mob.
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So I'm confused, is this some kind of spiritual successor to the .hack series? Even the title style looks similar
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>>101999561
They were not on the beach, only small swarming parties of Goblins were about, the problem was the two dire wolves where to high level for them to take on, both at once.
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>>101998332

>Leonardo

I was surprised to see he made it on to volume 6's popularity poll. He only got 9 votes but for a character that hasn't appeared in the series proper that's pretty damn good
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>>101976658
in dnd when your hitpoints are exactly zero you're disabled and not dead. -10 is dead.
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>>101999608
And how that leads to the conclusion that damage dealers are never the most important and sacrificing the mage is justified? You're not making any sense.
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>>101977607

God damn it, what happens to the target creature???

The worst part about this is that this card could actually exist and get played in the current block.
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>>102001951
Did you miss how Touya was about to die in a few seconds?
After he dies everyone else would've been attacked and then everyone would be dead.
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>>102001951
tank wipes, whole group wipes.
damage dealer wipes, rest of group is fine.
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LH is shit.

The level gap almost mean nothing since a level 30 can still kill a level 50. Wtf? How is this allowed?

So many shit skills. LMFAO.
>tank confirmed for worse class
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>>102002110
What bothers me is that Isuzu, being one of the weapon-based classes, has a bit more survivability than Rudy, not to mention, she's an adventurer.
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>>102002289
How is that bad, she is melee ranged damage dealer of course she will have more survivability then a ranged nuker.
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>>101972708
There is not a person who playing any of the devil may cry games before the re-make that ISN'T angry about it. It's a huge slanderous "fuck you" to the fans.
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>>101985465
>Note:fuck valentine's day
That pic is so perfect for so many reasons.
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>>102002325
Exactly. she could have tanked instead of the glass cannon.
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>>101972095
>SAO
>>couldve taken place in a fantasy world just as easily as a "game"

Huh?
I mean, you could have an actual world be Aincrad, and that would be kind of neat. But in the actual books, everything that drives the characters works because it IS a game, and each arc is a variation on that theme. (it's a game you'll die if you don't finish / it's a game keeping two lovers apart / Sinon's playing this game specifically to pretend she's someone else / buncha people playing a game because dying cripples IRL / it's a simulation but all the people count as real).

That said, LH says "game's real now, deal with it" and the characters run with it and it works.
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>>102002737
But she is not stupid enough to leeroy herself, and she is more of a support class so she wouldn't of kill the wolves.
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>>101992977

If we think of this more like DotA/LoL... It looks basically like >Normal monsters
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>>102002289
As a melee support class, she wouldn't be able to pull aggro as well as Rudy.
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>>101965459
If it's so good why hasn't the show depicted PvP realistically? So far the show has demonized the pvp players and made them out to be evil douches or retards like in the first few episodes with that one bad guy. Making him out to be like he has never fought an enchanter or whatever class the pirate rabbit dude is.
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>>102002668
Mamare shows he's versed in the stuff he's actually writing about.

Bits and pieces like how Akatsuki uses her short stature to exploit the city guard's multiple blind spots

How small percentages can have a huge difference in foreign trade as opposed to local

How chemistry in ET works on a rudimentary system similar to the PToE, but exchanging stuff like electron numbers, mols, weight for actual stats and attributes, etc.
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One thing I dislike about the show is that lvl 90s are having trouble with lvl 45 mobs at the beginning. I mean in mmos they hit for like 1 damage.
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>>102002861
>why hasn't the show depicted PvP realistically

PvP =! ganking

One is a fight between two equally matched players, the other is griefing low levels off their gold.

In the novels, Shiroe never banned PvP, he simply imposed a non-aggression between players with a huge level gap.
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>>102002289
Adventurers are meant to be stronger than NPC's that are not elite, melee is always meant to be more tanky than a mage due to getting closer to the enemy. Do you even MMO?
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>>102002864
Sounds pretty solid. Its good when authors don't just fluff stuff.
When they make mistakes that 5 seconds on google could fix it gets disheartening but then again you can't expect them to know everything.

>>102002932
>Inb4 EQ2 players start calling you a scrub
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>>102002932
death of a thousand 1pt. damage.

Plus, ET, basing off of EQ, uses linear progression rather than exponential progression.

i.e. what could hurt you now, would still hurt you 100 levels later, albeit with a lot of penalties thanks to your armor.
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>>102002864
>Akatsuki uses her short stature to exploit the city guard's multiple blind spots

Akatsuki confirmed for Halfling using the Giant Slayer feat.
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>>102002932
The level 90 aren't in any way having trouble at all. a handful could defend themselves against thousands of Sahuagin.

The problem is that they're protecting sandleaf village and the scrubs.

Naotsugu even has to spam his aggro skills to make sure the sahuagin can't breach their line and start killing landers.
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>>102002110
Uh-uh, and the monsters magically disappear or stop attacking because yeah, the tank is alive, hurray. No wait, someone nuked one of the wolves. Maybe it was the tank? No. The healer? No. The "tactician" in training? No. It was the damage dealer. And without that the whole group would be wiped - with or without the tank.
The DPS is as important as the sustain. At least in every balanced game.
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>>101972913
>SAO would win if they have Kirito, because gary stu.
>Otherwise the Log Horizon party would crush the SAO party simply because LH has ranged characters, mages and healers.

Kinda depends on which arc of SAO and maybe which arc of LH. If you dropped an Aincrad endgame party into day one of LH, they'd butcher everything because they're used to fighting in person and the Elder Tale players haven't figured out how to use their skills yet or maintain situational awareness in first person.

Aincrad party vs high level LH party as of the current episode? Total opposite. The Aincrad guys' only powers are melee attack chains that lock them into preset patterns and self-stun briefly at the end, whereas the LH guys have the full MMO ensemble. Elder Tale also had larger raid groups (96 max, vs like 49 max in SAO/ALO).

Late expansion ALO party made up of SAO clearers who carried over their stats, vs current LH episode? The ALO guys have all the same hax as the SAO ones *and unlimited flight outdoors*. (Plus in Kirito's case, the potential to parry spells, plus the potential to infinite chain sword skills).

Same ALO group vs later LH party that got better gear and know their Overskills? LH party could stomp them, though the ALO party could flee.
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>>102003200
The damage dealers are never as important as the rest of the group.
The rest of the group can slowly kill them, which guess what they did.
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>>102003254
The rest of the group can't kill shit on their own. It was stated multiple times that they have long cooldowns and can't heal fast enough against numerous enemies. No damage = gg.
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>>102003446
Samurai have the long cooldowns, they couldn't heal fast enough with both wolves attacking the tank, and they said nothing about the damage.
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>>102003200
>The DPS is as important as the sustain. At least in every balanced game.

In boss fights (and I'd argue the wolf squad was a miniboss), yes. You need the DPS because there's some element of damage race going on; you don't have unlimited time to whittle the enemy down.

But the other guy does have some point. The DPS is about the only death that you can expect to have a decent chance of still recovering from. If you lose the healer first, you're all fucked. If you lose the tank, who is keeping things off the squishy healer and off the squishy glass cannon, you're all fucked.

And that's how it really did play out: Rudy recognized this, took the risk, the tank was saved, the DPS died, and the party still won.
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>>102003535
Still could have been Isuzu if that were the case.
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>>102003719
Except that Isuzu, being a sustained dps/support dps doesn't have the burst to burn down even one of the wolves.
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>>102003719
>Wanting to hurt Isuzu

Why would you even let that happen?
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>>102003535
> And that's how it really did play out: Rudy recognized this, took the risk, the tank was saved, the DPS died, and the party still won.

Forced drama in staged situation worked exactly as planned? No shit. It all depends on the situation. They could waste the secondary healer or the bard or the tank and still win even without asspuls. It could as well worked out if the tank died instead of the mage and the bard played as secondary tank with some agro skill, one wolf dies again and the rest split the damage of the second wolf so that the whole team is kept intact (and win with the power of friendship). But where's the suspense in that? Touya will forget the name of his cat if he revives, big deal. No, kill the NPC instead, they CAN'T revive (well, maybe they can, stay tuned). And here we go.. Next episode: PLOT.
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>>101967139
because the author wasn't a 16 years old chuuni when he started writing
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>People trying to justify DPS>Tank.

What the fuck is this? Have these people never played an MMO before? As another Anon stated, losing your DPS is often a recoverable situation, losing a tank or healer makes everything go to shit fast.

The reason Rudy sacrificed himself was simple. He is the only party member who could be expected to generate enough aggro to pull off the tank, heck he already did it a bunch of times in the earlier episodes. Fire Mage, go figure.

If the Tank died he would of died as the group wiped. It's a lose-lose situation for him, but a win-lose for the group.
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>>102004707
>Main tank struggling to tank mobs.
Support class can do it!!
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>>102004826
When the mobs are weakened and the support has appropriate skills - yes. It's not something unseen.
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>>102004937
Yes but it is not a common situation. Therefore it would be more logical to assume that this was NOT the case.
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>>101971625
Considering everything Batman does revolves around his insane desire to negate the death of his parents then no, Batman can't change the world.
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Maybe it does not circle jack shit like SAO, but watching it feels like looking at pokemon series - brainless power of friendship.
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http://rerollgame.com/
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>>101973603
I see Asuna finally got tired of how clueless Kirito can be. Bet it still didn't work.
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>>102004826

Sometimes low level tanks have a harder time because they just don't have the tools they need, or have at max level. Skill doesn't necessarily come into it.
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>>101970302
Just because a person doesn't actually die when he dies in the game, makes it less of a better show? That's very weak, Frodo. Try harder.
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>>102003224
That's one way to see it yes. But the difference is that LH has proper support allocated characters and strategists. Whereas SAO has, "Dw I'm a girl I will stand back and support you with my weak ass buffs"
"Dw I is gary stu, I just run and hit and I winz. EzgameEzlyf"
If the two games were balanced to meet each other's standards, e.g. Alfheim having no flying. LH would win straight up
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>>102004953
Now you are just looking for excuses to kill the mage, don't you. Why do you hate Rudy so much? In a party with 1 tank, 1 damage dealers and 3 supports you are picking the damage dealer for the sacrifice as the rest are "useless" (the supports) or too important (the tank). Based anon is based.
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How about we start with the fact that the MC is not overpowered, has personality and actually wins through strategy instead of MUH WILLPOWERS?
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>>102005232
Nah mate, we all know that Kirito is just "overleveled" Because he somehow knew the super ultra sugoi techniques to level up in a game with 10,000 people that are most likely MMOnerds as well.
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>>102005232
How about no? 30 seconds in advance "strategy". Whoaaa, sooo impressive. Also, his strategical abilities are as overpowered as the other MC's combat ones. In the "normal game" he was autistic but oh so tacticool and his tea party group did glorious stuff that no other was able to.. and so on. Same BS all over again. We need something to save us! No worries, the Villain in Glasses has flawless keikaku!
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>SAO is so bad because its a fantasy that isn't really about a shit-tier video game genre
>LH is so good because its so loyal and true to a shit-tier video game genre

Really, faggots?

Not only are /a/'s tastes shit at anime, they're shit at video games too? Do you people even understand the point of science fiction? SAO actually explores themes, social issues, and conflicts while LH is too busy re-enacting video games.
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>>102005487
It's does actually seem somewhat believable since MMORPGS have a pattern in fights. Especially if you're familiar with the monster, you can assume their attacks, the delay between each, how much damage is dealt by the team, and how much damage is being taken. Though you have to have pretty hardcore brain processing speeds to be able to do that whilst playing. But it is still much more believable than a character that got 50+ levels higher than everyone else
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Is is le raid /a/ day, or something? Shitposting everywhere.
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>>102005492
MMO's weren't always shit tier. At one time we had hopes for the genre. Hoped that something like Elder Tale could eventually exist.

Instead we got shitty gear grinding games and F2P wankfests.
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>>102005487
I'd rather have a character whose "super power" is being a great team player and organizer. Than Kirito Stu 50-hit-combo boss-soloer bullshit.
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>>102005492
I don't know about that. LH implements the shit that would go down if people were actually forced into a game. With abusing of the system with EXP pots, they develop a system in which a 'government' is formed in order to keep stability among the adventurers and keep peace between them and the NPC's.
What social issues are you talking about that are presented in SAO? The MC is just an emofag. "Oh look, this class is the weakest, but its dark base clothing suit my personality. Let's pick this shit"
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>>102005590
I completely agree. There aren't many games where the support doesn't just sit there and (re)buffing everyone and actually does something. The whole strategist player that sits at the back and watches over everyone's status and gives commands is amazing too.
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>>102005227
Obviously it would of been better if one of these immortal adventurers did the sacrifice, but did they have the potential to pull aggro off the tank?

And if you gave me that choice of tank,dps,3x support in most situations I would agree that the DPS is the least important.
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>mfw all these LHfags actually defending MMOs

you faggots would go apeshit over a LoL anime
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>>102005538
I have no problems with either. MMOs with team/army based battles really do require some active brain cells. However, don't forget that SAO players were scared shitless because of the "real death" thing and just a selected few were beta-testers. No wonder that almost everyone preferred to play it safe and skill-wise was left far behind the exploiters, err.. the badass gamers. Also 10000 is quite a low number for a MMO game. It's easy to assume that there could be someone who is way better than the rest of the casuals in terms of skill and determination. The more people in a MMO you have - the more chances for "exceptional" people you'll get.
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>>102005829
Not really, league is pretty bad
"What if... we were to hit our creeps so the enemy doesn't get any gold."
"That's fucking crazy talk, I mean, do you know how much attention we'd have to pay? Like almost x2 more."
AND NO YOU FAGGOT YOU DID NOT FUCK MY MOTHER!
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>>102005492
>science fiction

But really, I personally like SAO (if you cut out everything about ALO except the ending) and it brought about a really cool thing - Information brokers. Argo is a really interesting character (read SAO: Progressive) because a broker like that wouldn't exist normally due to the internet.
However, LH has multitudes of cool ideas like this, as well as a more interesting premise, characters, etc.

Log Horizon:
+ Main character is interesting and unconventional in that he's a support
+ Almost all major characters (and even some side) are fleshed out and aren't walking tropes
+ Motherfucking Crusty
+ Plot that actually makes you think
+ Implements MMORPG aspects greatly
- Pacing has been a little touch and go
- Some elements are unnecessarily gone into detail

SAO:
+ That character art. Past the lvl 1 gear, all characters whether major or minor look awesome
+ Romance was unexpected and was fufilling (not a generic "we're perfect for each other but lets not do anything until the last episode")
+ Action sequences are well-animated and great entertainment
/ Some points give great impression to viewer of dread/depression/hopelessness, etc. while others are forced drama or "edgy"
- Side stories included. They should have been left out due to pointless harem with generic girls
- Generic girls
- ALO
- Fairies
- Gary Stu
- Plot armor
- Not actually blood-related incest
+ Oh I like this guy but I can't have him ;_; we'll I guess I'll go for this awesome guy I just met online...
- Blatant fanservice
ALO's ending
+ Antagonist is a true antagonist. Fuck him
- Protag wins because Deus ex Machina
+ Protag has no problem torturing antagonist because he violated his waifu
+ Parking lot fight greatly contrasts the fantastic game world fight, and the grey IRL fight
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>>102005593
Don't tell me that you've never walked in noob areas in full uber gear and you've never killed a small boss just because he was in your way (or to help lower level friends). Yes, it's a Gari Stu shit but it can actually happen. And yeah, winning with brains is somewhat cooler although less edgy.
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>>102005866
I understand the point you are making. But even if they were scared shitless those that chose to be in the front lines should at least be somewhat near Kirito's bullshit level. And yeah although 10,000 is low for a MMO, you have to see that those 10,000 were the ones who waited in line and got the game the moment it came out. You only see hardcore guys e.g. the "beaters" or completely new players to mmo's that do that.
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>>102005955
Suka blyad killstealer!!!1 REPORTED!
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>>102005829
>116 one-dimensional characters that are almost all: stereotypes, tributes, cliches, fanservice and/or one-trick jokes and Kassadin
>Brought together by a wacky crazy plot that's really just a good vs. "we're totally not generic evil" guys.
Oh god no.
Oh wait, that sounds just like anime.
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>>102006132
>Brought together by a wacky crazy plot
Riot has basically retconned the League out of being a thing, and can't develop anything interesting beyond a cinematic.
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>>102005969
Those are some great points you bring up, here are my rebuttals.
For SAO
>Not actually blood-related incest
Well.. cousins are still technically blood
>Romance was unexpected and fufilling
mm I guess there were some points, but Asuna saying that the whole reason she played SAO was to meet Kirito.. like it was some kind of fate thing... yeah... no.
>Generic girls
"Nahh we nids to have every girl trope design in order to get more viewers"
For Log Horizon
>Pacing has been a little touch and go
Yeah, you're right about that. But it does seem a bit difficult considering it can't constantly be battles, and I know you don't want that, but at least some action every now and then. And yes, that is a reasonable claim. But you have to consider that they had to develop a government in order to keep balance between the players and NPCs as well as make a truce between them.
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>>102005829
LoL isn't an MMO it's a MOBA.

Also it's shit.
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>>102006025
> You only see hardcore guys e.g. the "beaters" or completely new players to mmo's that do that.

Not really. Not at all. There are a whole lot of people who are just hyped and want that new "great game" ON DAY ONE! It has nothing to do with "hardcore".
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>>102005994
Except Kirito wasn't fighting Hogger. He solo'd a cutting edge raid boss.
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>>102006226
Same could be said for a lot of games though. In League's case, the problem is that it is a community based game, and the community is complete shit. if you have a group of friends to piss around with, it is pretty fun if you don't care about winning more than anything.
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>>102006245
I guess so, but don't you think the gamers that spend their life on the online world would be all "Holy shit, this is the very first game where I can actually live in the world. I really need to get this!"
In my opinion, I believe these people would be the ones to line up first.
Also the beta testers probably lined up knowing that there was only 10,000 spots and they already played the game
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>>102006296
Because nearly all games these days are designed for the Lowest Common Dumbass. So all of the communities are shit.

Hell, they throw around the term TRYHARD for people who actually want to play a game while the others are off fucking sheep or something.
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>>102006263
Because he was so afraid of everyone asking him "Wow how'd you get that mega sugoi dual blading skill?"
So he let dozens of people die.
yep.
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>>102006263
He was still overleveled as shit. And he nearly died, heh.
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>>101965459
SAO was self insert shit you can't enjoy because you're too old to want a game like it.
Log horizon was the authors idea for a game he never got to produce and closely mimics real mmos.

Honestly it'd make a crappy game.
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>>102006336
>Because nearly all games these days are designed for the Lowest Common Dumbass
This is not a bad thing though, for a marketing standpoint of a free game. Though I'd argue there is more hidden depth in stuff like LoL than most give it credit for.

LoL community, puts you in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Play the game for fun, you get called a troll. Play the game seriously, and you get called a tryhard who takes things too seriously and reported if you go against the hugbox.

Then the community cries when something is strong and cries when it gets nerfed. So LoL is a game that was literally ruined by the fans.
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>>101965459
If you're into simple and not complicated mindless fun story you'd like SAO, if you like mature complex story you'd like LH. Which is why there are many `12 year kids fucking love SAO.
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>>102006427
How would it make a crappy game? The mechanics seem pretty solid, as well as class/position roles
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>>102006457

That explains why SAO is aimed at mature audiences while LH is in the fucking kids show time slot along with Pretty Cure shit and Power Ranger shit, right? Get over it SAO is the better written story.
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>>102006461

Because its not designed for theme park fun like 100% of all modern MMOs, its designed for immersion like most of the old school MMOs from 20 years ago.
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>>102006307
Well, I consider myself experienced gamer and I don't go Day One even for the games that I'm a diehard fan. Let 'em fix the bugs, polish the gameplay and decrease the lag, then we can talk. I'm not too excited to line with the hyped kids too. Also, for a completely new type of game chances are that it can be shit. Some of the beta-testers may liked playing it, some may not - for different reasons. It's not that they were forced to become one of the 10000 especially if they had other options (selling their pass to a hyped kid with rich dad).
So in the end you have 10000 players with most of them having no idea what they're dealing with. And some evil genius who told them that they're are going to die with fried brains if they are killed by virtual monster. It's very hard for a normal person to swallow that, imho.
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>>102006544
>SAO
>better written story
wow, i am amazed by your delusion. is your delusion that bad to dismiss any show that is in the kids show time slot to be bad and anything at the "mature" timeslot to be good just to defend SAO? wow shit taste at the highest level.
oops. seems like im biting the bait.
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>>102006573
How does that make it "crappy"? It just means the current LawL generation wouldn't be interested in it.

Welp. I'm cautiously optimistic EQN will give me the oldschool sandbox experience I've been wanting for awhile now.

And Star Citizen also sounds like it could be amazing.
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>>102006544
The amount of wrong in this comment hurts
>SAO is the better written story
.... MC is overpowered as fuck. He can't lose no matter what. No challenge. Suspense? No I know he's going to win in the end so fuck it all. Romance? ahahahahhaah, 13 episodes in "Oh shit we're married in this game, you have a real name?"
Action? Yeah I'll give it that, the fight animation scenes were pretty badass
"Brah, if you totes beat me in a 1v1 30 levels before the end ill let you all leave"
The protagonist is an idiot for allowing such a retarded challenge
The MC is a retard for accepting the challenge against a guy that can literally overclock his avatar to move faster than GM speeds
This guy trapped 10,000 people in a virtual world, but I can 100% take his word for this shit
>Two years worth of sperm made a glopping noise as it flowed endlessly into Asuna
I can't see the good writing
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Is the show doing well enough for it to get a second season?
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>>102006657
Well yeah, but you need to take into account SAO being the very first VR game to come out in that universe. Pretty sure people would be starting shit to get a copy.
Yeah Okay I get the whole if I die in the game I die in real life fear. But how did that machine even get verified to be safe for anyone.
"Hey guys there's a chip in here that can potentially release the waves stronger than a microwave and possibly kill the user"
"Nahh man, he totes put that in for faster gameplay you know, with the internetz and stuffs"
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>>102006461
At no point have I ever sat there and thought, "man this would be a really enjoyable game to play" while watching log horizon, it honestly seems like grand fantasia or even ever quest where classes are semi pre-built from the ground up with huge chunks of "dead levels".
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LH is still shit, maybe slightly less shitty than SOA but still just plain shit.
The thing is planned for 15-20 books. If you need to drag shit out that long it doesn't bode well for your story.
We're half way through and no one gives a damn about trying to find a way back, all there is is some mention that oh well since we're here we might as well try to have fun and hope the way back just falls from the sky into our lap at the start and that's it.
People are just hoping that the old world still exists and waiting on their asses but no one is actively searching for clues or methods.
It's all about Shiroe going around turning enemies into allies through the power of friendship along with his secondary job skill that turns into some reality warping super power just because.
The big bad is your generic super powered intelligent mob. The NPCs are know to be personality softwares so don't tell me that they're human.
Also if you think krusty is badass you need to get your head checked. He's a guild leader, and since when have guild leaders not get dibs on best equipment drops from dungeons, and get kitted out in the best gear. If you don't hand it over, he's going to kick you from the guild. All that he still manages to die twice and forget his cat. He's your typical elitist high lvl player that thinks gear and levels makes the man, not as bad as Isaac but still the same.

Now compare that with Rundelhouse, he is the true badass, and the only thing redeeming in the series.
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>>102006719
Most likely. On track for at least 4k V1 sales. Which is incredibly good for an NHK-produced show. Probably need at least another year for enough material for a S2 though.
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>>102006675

because hes a tripfag with shit tastes
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>>102006782
But that's wrong you motherfucker.
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>>102006782
They don't know what caused their immersion into the world in the first place. How are they supposed to find out how to undo it? The arc right now is a legitmate reason to fight. "If we let this go without helping, the main town will be destroyed. We won't be able to find information on how to get out. And we'd potentially take a lot longer to get out"
>Guild Leaders get dibs on best drops
Not exactly, if a guild leader were to abuse their power like that, people would leave pretty quickly.
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>>102006799
That's good to hear. I wonder if I should just pick up the LN's and start spoiling myself.
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>>102006782
They know the "NPCs" are real people, and that their inaction has caused the Goblin King Event to trigger. Which could slaughter 10s of thousands of people if they do nothing.

Would you honestly do nothing, even if you wanted to search for a way home? And where would you search?

Oh, the Goblins ransacked all the Lander towns we might find info in...
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>>102006782
This must be you right
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>>102006573
>>102006675
YOu know I played the ESO beta last weekend (stress test) and you know I was quite surprised at how much it reminded me of ET in terms of flow and immersion. Playing in first person was surprisingly immersive and I found a lot of the gameplay elements to be very old school like how not everyone can get loot from the same chest (loot chests and material caches vanish after one person searches them and takes the loot) and how easy it is to get overwhelmed and die if you stupidly aggro a group of enemies (which tends to happen if you attack any member of the group). Also you level pretty slowly (way slower than most new MMOs) and the game map is fucking huge (seriously, it took about half an hour to cross the TUTORIAL map, I can't even imagine what would happen if you tried to trek across the entire continent of Tamriel). Unsurprisingly these old school gameplay mechanics (which I actually liked) made a lot of casual gamers not really like the experience. It also had this really cool mechanic where if you changed something as a result of a quest then that thing actually stayed changed for you permanently, I was shocked when I completed a quest that canonically removed a specific type of enemy from an area when I went there that enemy type was actually gone from my game.
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>>102006741
"How" doesn't matter. It was supposed to be safe. It was supposed to be some new, cool entertainment. And then - BLAM - it was actually a deadly trap. Some players died and they were never seen again so there was nothing to assure the rest that shit was not real. Most of them were still shaking of the shock even two years later. Fighting with a real risk for your life is not something our modern society is accustomed to, anon.
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>>102006997
Really? I played it a bit and was so bored. I thought it was a worse version of tera.
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>>102007052
>Fighting with a real risk for your life is not something our modern society is accustomed to
Yeah I completely agree. In western society there is almost never a time in an average person's life that they'd have to fight with their life at risk. That's why we're bitches. But I think we're getting off topic, We started off with the thought that 1 out of 10,000 SAO players knew what to actually do and outlevel everyone else. Why that bastard kept it to himself too is a mystery. But yeah.. that
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>>102007189

And people say SAO doesn't have depth. Its right there if you look for it!
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>>101965459
Can they reproduce in video game?
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>>102007189
Didn't they explicitly say in episode two that the beta testers left that information in a guide book that anyone could get for free?
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Anybody else watch the live action of Log Horizon: The American Server?
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>>102006782
Confirmed for animeonly-pleb that doesn't have a clue on what's going on in the background.
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>>102006865
>>102006961
No you guys are the bait

>>102006871
>>102006939
I meant halfway through the books, not the anime. Yes I agree that they should help out the landers with the goblins, but even the progress with the books is still just your usual dungeon crawling for unlimited gold and rare drops and game world politics.
>They don't know what caused their immersion into the world in the first place. How are they supposed to find out how to undo it?
This is not a good reason, just because you don't know something so it's perfectly fine to sit on your ass? It's precisely because you don't know why something has happened that's going to make you want to dig everything up and find out what the hell is happening. And no even the big bad calls NPC's dolls and personality softwares, so they act like they're human but aren't human.

It's not called abusing your power as a guild leader, people are going to tell you to give drops up to someone "better qualified" than you if you're a nobody, you know the little inner power circle cliche in guilds, yeah they're the higher ups and they're going to make you give stuff to them and if you don't you're just selfish new guy who doesn't even know how to use the drops and it's going to be wasted on you. Sometimes you're going to even want to give them loot cause you want to brown nose your way into that group.
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>>102007138
Well in spite of my previous post I am more than capable of admitting that it can get a little stale sometimes. The map is a bit too big so it can feel a little empty at times though I think the combat is good (I played a Dragonknight Breton tank using a shield and sword and really enjoyed timing my blocks and skills). What class and race were you, which archetype did you pick? Tank? DPS? Heal?
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>>101965459
Oh c'mon, OP. If you want to make a troll thread, at least make it interesting.

SAO troll threads just end up with the usual insults that have already been said over and over and over and over again on /a/.
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>>102007242

SAO can, but LH ignores it because muh childrens show

>b-but LH is better guiz
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>>102007264
why don't you enlighten us then?
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>>102007245
Yeah they did, but Kirito had no contribution to that. Although the Beta testers left notes. None of them were actually introduced except for Kirito. And since he was almost definitely not the only one, why isn't there anyone else that overleveled.
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>>102007304
They're working on the retuning home thing. In the background
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>>101967885
You forgot the "WO OW" there.
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>>102007189
> Why that bastard kept it to himself too is a mystery.

Why not? What works for one introvert sociopath is unlikely to work for someone else. That "someone else" was probably just going die if he tried the same route. Or handicap the first guy. Both options do not sound very desirable
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>>102007316

And this is why I'm sick of these SAO troll threads. SAO is legitimately one of the best IPs to come out of Japan in the past ten years, and all /a/ does is shit on it. In fifty years time, SAO will be the LotR of Japan.
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>>102007311
>The map is a bit too big
I could see this being a massive problem with ET, I mean can you imagine how fucking dull it would get trekking across a map half the size of the fucking earth?
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>>102007373

ITS ALMOST LIKE THEYRE LIVING IN A REAL WORLD
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>>101974240

It has not been pertinent to the show to make that a focus. In SAO it was a key element because that's part of what the story revolved around.

Oh, and it also got played up for shock value to create easy and lazily written drama.

so it was less organic and more just crammed in to make a villain seem more disgusting.

(I'm not against rape in stories, but it was just thrown into SAO).

Log Horizon's greatest sin is the stupid slapstick shit with Naotsugu and Akatsuki. Where Akatsuki will hit Naotsugu for trying to say boobies. But the chick stripping her and holding her against her will? yeah totally not gonna take a swing.
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>>101970243
>implying Shiroe isn't just a different kind of Gary Stu
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>>102007373
>half the size
You made a mistake there m8
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>>101965459
It's a pretty fucking terrible show, but SAO was even worse.

Like how damn emotional shiroe got just because he made a guild, I mean godamn.
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>>102007389
Yeah but the real world is boring...
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>>101974497

Food has taste in Log horizon within half a dozen episodes you weeb.
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>>102007304
The thing is, most people aren't going to be motivated to try and go out and do that. Or they aren't high enough level to do that. Many others are satisfied just knowing that some people in the Round Table are looking into it, I'm sure.

The stuff with the NPCs is a whole other meta argument I'm not going to make at 5:30am. If it looks, walks, talks, and acts like a duck... essentially. They may have started out that way, but the system definitely seems to have grown beyond the original design.
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>>102007304
I wasn't implying that there's a person hogging all the drops, moreover, the drops being evenly distributed to those who would utilize it best. Insisting the notion that the guild leader takes every good item whilst leaving everyone else subpar is pretty illogical.
I never said they'd sit on their asses. The only way they can find a way out is to find what caused it. The only ones which would have any type of information on that are either. 1. the ones that caused the event. or 2. those present before the occurrence.
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>>102007428

Amerifat pls
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>>102003140
I think he's talking about what happened at the first episode.
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>>101970875
It's because Mamare is never too good at writing conflicts and villains.
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>>102007389
but they arent living in a real world. They are just living in the database

wow wow
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>>102007354
Handicapping the first guy implies that he gets absolutely zero benefit from it. Which is wrong. If he were to teach everyone how he got so bullshit. They could finish the game faster, and as a result, get out faster. He could've taught the 'someone else' how to properly farm/level up at the right areas, and then that person would tell someone else. It wouldn't take long to spread, and the casualties would be kept to a minimum. Since "getting out" would be a universally accepted opinion and viewpoint
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>>102007416
But ET is half earth size, it was explicitly stated that ET was created using the Half-Gaia project, which took the Earth and scaled it down half, making the over all map of ET half earth size.
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>>102007458

More like Mamare is only good at writing technical manuals. Most people don't fucking care about economics.
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>>102006997
ESO? Isn't that just a dumbed down version of Skyrim?
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>>102007493
>He actually doesn't know.
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>>102007492
His leveling though, probably depends on how good his reaction speed is. And I'm sure most of it was found out by others. Just that he went through it first.

New MMO launch 101: Always be at least 1 zone ahead of the zerg.
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>>102007492

Now you're just being a socialist. Kirito earned everything through his own hard work and you just want him to turn it all over to other people. At least SAO excels at the free market.
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>>102007509
Not really, I wouldn't even call it an Elder Scrolls game, the mechanics are pretty different and character customization is probably more extensive than Skyrim. It also has a similar armour system to Morrowind (you have Chest, Legs, Hands, Feet, Helmet and Pauldrons rather than having just having Body, Hands, Feet and Head).
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>>102007431
>Many others are satisfied just knowing that some people in the Round Table are looking into it, I'm sure.
That would be fine, if that's what they actually did.

>>102007442
You know they're going to take good drops and then sell them off in the name of the guild bank right? And besides I never said that everyone was subpar, I said that it was obvious that he was going to have the best gear, cause he's going to get first dibs.

>I never said they'd sit on their asses. The only way they can find a way out is to find what caused it. The only ones which would have any type of information on that are either. 1. the ones that caused the event. or 2. those present before the occurrence.
Have you seen them look for either?
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>>102007528
And that's why I love SAO threads more. So much more excitement there.
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>>102007599
>Have you seen them look?
Not openly, but they did elaborate on what may have caused it. World class magic
It's kind of hard to find any link to it either.
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>>102007528
Shouldn't the LH picture be a bunch of men jerking each other off?
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>>102007595
But the gameplay looks bland, like an older MMORPG. Skyrim has better graphic and mechanics. Maybe ESO's armour system is a plus.

But I guess that's what you get from a developer who don't originally make TES games.
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>>102007510
Just fuck off if you're not going to contribute.
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>>101972095
>SAO lured people in with it's setting

And it's their fucking fault for having such low powerlevels in the first place.

>LN adaptation
>MC is an antisocial teenager
>goes beater in the second episode

At that point, if you didn't expect it to have the usual tropes within LN stories, you are fucking blind.
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>>102007492
Not every person is cut out for a mentor. Also the mentoring takes a lot of time and (often wasted) effort. That could be used in leveling up instead.
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>>102007679
Read the novels and stop pretending you could actually participate in the discussion.
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>>102007527
They want to get out of the game right? So, Kirito just being selfish. Good to know.
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>>101971206
There really needs to be a set genre description for the Log Horizon/1632/Off Armageddon Reef/Cross-time Engineer style books. A review of the Paladin of Shadows books calls it "Man builds stuff and gets loads of pussy." but pussy isn't always involved.
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>>101972567
>(And you're right that "VRMMO" was just used as a setting,)

Well, they go deeper into this in the latest arc (just drop the MMO part).

And I actually like SAO's take on sentient NPCs more than I like LH's take.

In LH, it's just "a bunch of people who are totally inferior to the Adventurers".
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>>102007837

You mean like how Americans are better than everyone else?
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>>102007837
>In LH, it's just "a bunch of people who are totally inferior to the Adventurers".
Not anymore
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>>102007731
says the guy who uses m8 and only knows how to greentext.
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>>102007926
Did you just describe yourself
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Did the novels explain how they got there? Why is nobody rescuing them or just turning off their device?
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>>102007979
Its not a game
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>>102007979
Who could tell them what is going on? And what device?
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>>102008008
So it's magic?
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>>102008022
Yes, Lander Shiroe explains this.
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>>102008021
>>102008022

Its a plot hole. LHfags will tell you to wait for an explanation. Meanwhile you could just read and watch SAO which has actual explanations!
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>>101967885
>Wake up
>see this thread
>see this post
>close laptop
>go to work with smile on face
>waiting for Saturday's new episode of LH
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>>102008022
WIZAAAARD
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>>102008044
This would be decent bait if it wasn't so incredibly wrong.
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>>102008044
>implying SAO doesn't have plotholes
speak for yourself
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>>102008022
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>>102008044
Yeah, that's why SAOfags didn't ask much. They are already spoonfed since the beginning. It's such an easy story to write, really. No need to be smart to enjoy this, right?
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>>102008044
oh Troll-kun
can you can you be more obvious!
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>>102008044
WOW WOW
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>you will never live in da database and /adjustglasses all day in your party of /a/nons
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>>102007500
Really? I quite enjoy all the economic and political stuff in Log Horizon.
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>>102007837
I remember when I thought Alicization is going to be Kawahara's turning point.

>we got dropped right into some interesting new world we knew nothing about
>he said he was going to stop adding more girls to Kirito's harem so he gave him a male partner instead
>said partner had a girl he liked
>classic child crush, no teenage romance bullshit
>the girl got kidnapped, setting up a potent journey starting point for the partner
>the story's going to be more about the partner than Kirito kinda like GGO
>Kirito was actually weak as fuck, not some OP shit he usually was. The main villains were way stronger than him.

Of course, it ended up just like your usual SAO at the end.

Please change this shit in the novel version, Kawahara.
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>>102008196
I also enjoy them but I don't enjoy them that much that I feel that alone makes the story something memorable.

It needs something more.
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>>102008188
I think a party of /a/nons would be torn apart by infighting and literal faggotry within the span of a few days.
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>>102008263
>days
try hours
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>>102008263
>infighting
>not awkward silence
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>>102008238
I know that this post was a joke because it ain't real.
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>>102008188
>party of anon
>"jesus christ you edgy as fuck why'd you take that class"
>holy shit anon you have shit taste in gear
>"your npc waifu a shit"
>"boku no pico"
I don't know
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>>102008280
Or minutes.
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>>102008263
>>102008280
>>102008304
>Not little girls dressing each other up all day
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>>102008330
You need sometime to build up a good shitstorm.
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>>102008196
Also, I'd rather have a story about someone trying to survive in a famine rather than about someone doing armchair politicking to solve a famine.
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>>102008263
Actually I think that if the apocalypse really happened, we'd either all be playing as the little girl, or use an appearance changing potion to become the little girl. We'd then spend every day being cute and lewd.
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>>101965459
because the creator actually played MMO's
and because he is mature enough to know that a edgy self-insert would ruin it
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>>102008352
I'd just play as a Summoner who wears comfy robes.
You've gotta have some men to balance it out a bit.
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>>102008304
>implying you wouldn't bully the fuck out of a bunch akward nerds the moment you see them.
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>>102008319
>every /adjustglasses while talking to eachother
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>>102008372
You're reading/watching the wrong show then. Like the Maoyuu author isn't a dead giveaway on what you'll be getting
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>>102007500
Problem is, Mamare is (was) a NEET, so he's never very good at writing interesting characters.
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>>102008380
>not wearing giraffe
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>>102002942
In the anime as well they never demonized pvp they called it as just another aspect of competition and should not be stifled. ganking is what they were against not pvp.

SAO fags must have really short attention spans or just dumb if they miss such basic plot elements.
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>>102008411
I'd use gag gear for raids.
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>>102008359
You think?
- Urmm, anon, what is you're favourite anime?
- asdasdaas.
- B-but... aaah, screw it. IT'S SHIT! SHIIIIT!
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>>102008405
Hey, it's not like I don't enjoy LH. I find it pretty good myself.

I simply don't feel it deserves all the praise it gets.
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>>102008384
Please don't bully.
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>>101970243
They are, but in a "top guild of MMO" manner, if you know what I mean.
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>>102008409
>not good at writing interesting characters
>not good at writing a proper story
so....what am I reading?
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>>102008411
>Not travelling to Africa server
>Not acquiring summon contract with the grand Giraffe chieftain of the Serengeti.
>Not visiting the great Giraffe graveyard and assembling the Giraffe bone staff of grand giraffe summoning.
>Not summoning him in royal giraffe regalia and riding him into battle ahead of the Royal Giraffe army.

Do you even summon?
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>>102008467
A demonstration of (MMO) politics in a semi-MMO fantasy world?
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>>102008379
So he went with a smartass self-insert. How unorthodox.
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>>102008477
With cute characters we'd like to log.
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>>101986891
I have no fucking idea why you would pick WoW as game similar to the game in Log Horizon when they're completly diffrent. WoW is typical rollercoaster mmo where Log Horizon is typical Korean grindfest with more sandbox nature. There is a huge fucking diffrence
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>>102008499
No. Makes my log rise
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>>102008490
So what? You'd rather him make Krusty or Soujirou the main character? Wouldn't that be too generic? Like every shounen ever?
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>>102008499
wow wow
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>>101976401
>Aditionally, in games, you can't kill NPCs
But maybe the NPCs were coming from another world too at the time of that distant-in-the-past apocalypse and they were playing some kind of hardcore diablo-like mode.
And they forgot. Or the new generations of NPCs didn't pass that knowledge.
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>>102008511
> Log Horizon is typical Korean grindfest

Actually it has more in common with Everquest. It's not grindy at all either, actually it's damn casual until you get involved in end game raids. Level 1-90 only takes about an hour each. Not even FFXIV is this fast on levels.
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>>102008552
How about making a good main character instead of just choosing between the three?
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>>102008592
Oh? You know how a good character would be like? Please tell me.
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>>102008586
My MMO-experienced friend said Elder Tail reminds him of Ragnarok Online
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>>102002459
> It's a huge slanderous "fuck you" to the fans.
you dont say
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>>102008490
But Shiroe isn't Mamare self-insert. It's the Princess you dumbass.
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>>102008556
>someone took the time to draw the subtle cleft of her slit

Sometimes I wonder about drawfags. Do they draw with dick in one hand?
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>>102008661
Maybe they draw WITH their dick.
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>>102008661
You don't?
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I self insert as a rock
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>>102008649
He has several self-inserts in the story, each focusing on the different parts of his self.
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>>102008691
Dat ass
Dat flat
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>>102008720
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>>102008697
Nope. Mamare real self is like the Princess and not anyone else.
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>>102008630
A character with more than one dimension for starters?
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>>102008476
I'll kill your giraffes with a bolt gun and feed em to my lion summons.
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>>102008785
I never get this 'dimension' thingy. Care to explain?
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>>102008785
So, It is not Kirito than.
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>>102008535
when are they going to fuck and produce lander/adventurer hybrids?
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>>102008770
And it's perfectly legal too!
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>>102008556
>>102008691
where's the minorin one? I want a fatalpulse LH doujin!
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>>102008641
In the scope of the game yeah it's very much like RO, that's why a lot of us are looking forward to ToS. Mamare played EQ2 for a while too and said some of that's in there. As far as being grindy or not, it's more casual than a lot of other MMO's. Probably even more casual than vanilla WoW was. But the end game raid scene sounds more hardcore than what many recent MMO's have done.
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>>102008809
Nope. Since when is Kirito considered a good character?
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>>101973268
>worldstarhiphop
>>>/out/
And stay out.
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>>102008851
Horray!
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>>102008851
I like to live dangerously. Give me the illegal one.
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>>102008894
When did you achieve perfect reading comprehension?

Protip: The answer to all these questions is the same. Never
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>>102008885
You're a monster.

>Shiroe shows his true reputation as the 'Villain In Glasses' and offers up all the girls to become prostitutes so he can monopolize the game's economy
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>>102008885
>fatalpulse LH doujin!

Minori and Isuzu being sex slaves for Hamelin when?
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>>101985465
10/10
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SAO is a shit game because it's focused entirely on melee combat and uses a "swap-out" system that can effectively make boss fights a non issue.

Elder tale would make a shit mmo because it's obviously a korean grinder filled with trap options/ entire classes.

I do like the idea of specialized each class is though, even if something like the summoner would lead to a permanent better than you at everything situation.
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>>102008978
fish + hook + low quality
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>>101976363
They ruin the threads, at the very least.

And half the fun of watching anime is talking about it on /a/.

I'm so lonely.
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>>102002794
Except that in LoL/DotA, everyone is more or less useless if they can't deal damage, right?
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>>101979756
>LH is about discovery and finding meaning in life.

10/10 would laugh again
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>>102009364
SAO is about comedy that isn't even funny.
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>>102009361
6 RAPE-ier strat, who needs boots
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>>102009407
>I talk shit about LH just a little bit
>He brings up SAO as defense

LHfags in a nutshell.
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>>102009473
So you agree with me. Okay.
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>>101999449
>LH is better feels

Sure, bro.

Sachi's death still has more impact than anything that had happened in LH so far.

>and adventure
What adventure? LH ain't an adventure anime.
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>>102009533
>Sachi's death
>impact
How is her death relevant more than 1 episode.
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>>101985465
pretty good, but they're still fucking retarded with for placing a cliff behind their backs. Also that shit's betting that the goblins won't alpha through krusty's healing support team, or that healing won't generate hate, and he's not built for tanking.
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>>102009533
Just because you think that adventure anime should have action doesn't mean it needs to.
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>>102009587
Impact to the feels, not to the plot.
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>>101999561
>slowly grind a mob after mob after mob.
It reminds me of when me and some guy duo'd the Deadmines in WoW at level 20 a long time ago. It took us several hours to reach the boat, and the mobs were actually respawning so we stopped there, but our tactic of "you run and I deal the damage, then we do the opposite when it aggroes you until it dies" was pretty funny.
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>>102009533
Sachi's death scene was forced, though. Suddenly goes into a trap room with overlevel monsters was bullshit. Also Kirito surviving that while everyone else dies also bullshit. Oh yeah, he hides his real level. Why?

Also, that story is considered complementary. It has nothing to do with the main story.
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>>102009623
Define "adventure anime".
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>>102009657
>Suddenly goes into a trap room with overlevel monsters was bullshit.

And why is it "bullshit" exactly?
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>>102009533
>Sachi's death
Rudy's sacrifice had a lot more impact
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>>102009533
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsTtDXnq5jM
Impact
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>>102009688
cause SAO is shit.
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>>102009742
And then he got revived five minutes later by Shiroe's hax.
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>>102008641
Well, Shiroe is basically a RO professor.
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>>102009767
>Impact to the feels not plot
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>>102009688
What I considered bullshit is the overlevel monsters. It shouldn't be there at all. Don't the game designers know that players should be able to defeat them?

>>102009630
>M-muh dead girl
>muh feels

>>102009662
>going to the neighboring city to save a friend
>going inside a cave full of enemies
>going to a neighboring kingdom to talk politics
>participate in a large scale battle against invading monsters
Adventure!
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>>102009792
Rudy's "death" had no real impact on either feels or plot, except to show once more how Shiroe is the messiah and showing the whole new skills thing but that doesn't have to be done there

In fact, wouldn't it be better if Shiroe only knows about the new skills after knowing that Kureha's using it?
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>>102009603
>they're still fucking retarded with for placing a cliff behind their backs
It reduces the directions broken goblin parties will retreat to, which is a major concern. And prevents the huge horde from just fanning out into the forest and attacking from the rear. Adventurers don't have to worry about securing their own retreat since they'll respawn when killed.

>Also that shit's betting that the goblins won't alpha through krusty's healing support team
If Krusty does his job and draws all aggro, they shouldn't.

>or that healing won't generate hate
It probably doesn't. Somebody would have mentioned this with all the healing that goes on, especially with the newbie party which had two healers.

>and he's not built for tanking
His entire class is built for tanking.
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>>102009831
> Don't the game designers know that players should be able to defeat them?

Same designers that lock 10000 players in a game, killing 2000 in the first month? Same designers that put lvl 90 boss in the dungeon under the starting town at lvl 1? Same designer that leads the biggest guild with immortality hack?
Hmm, I can't quite see your point there.
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>>102009912
No, because that would make him a less of a uberhax tactitian.
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>>102009755
>www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=hsTtDXnq5jM&video_start=0&audio=kOWu2fW7zz4&audio_start=0
Best version
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>>102009831
>game designers
>implying Kayaba cares about that sort of thing

>M-muh dead girl
>muh feels
A perfectly valid reaction if you're not a psychopath who thinks that having emotions are for losers.

>going to the neighboring city to save a friend
>going inside a cave full of enemies
>going to a neighboring kingdom to talk politics
>participate in a large scale battle against invading monsters

Only the first two can be categorized as "adventure".

And it's not even that amazing either. It's just your generic fantasy/RPG world thing. Combined with the less-than-stellar artwork, it's nothing to be proud about.
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>>102010020
Okay, so the edgy one is the designer then. That makes sense. Disregard my previous statement.
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>>102009912
>In fact, wouldn't it be better if Shiroe only knows about the new skills after knowing that Kureha's using it?
Why? Like six whole episodes before that was spent on talking about new skills obtained by high level subclasses using their abilities in novel ways to break established game rules.
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>>102010074
Define "edgy".
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>>102009912
>Rudy's "death" had no real impact on either feels or plot

I can´t talk about feels because that´s up to each viewer, but the implications for the plot are pretty fucking obvious unless you need or expect the writers to spoon-feed you every single detail.
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>>102009992
he's class is built for tanking yes, but he's not like nao he specced his for damage instead.

When I said alpha through krusty's support team, I didn't mean killing his support team, I mean did more alpha damage than his support team can heal.
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>>102010125
Edgy. Making people die and suffer for his own amusement while being invincible himself.
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>>102010214
I see.

Edgy = Deliciously evil
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>>102010246
Yeah, too common a trope, I know. But I guess he had a dream of living in a fantasy world just like many of us.
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>>102010131
>implications
Yep, it's just an implication for future plot points, which may or may not appear.

And it's less about Rudy's death and more about an NPC's death. If Shiroe just decides to try his skill for the heck of it at some random NPC instead, it'll still have the same amount of impact to the plot.
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>>102010092
and yet they can't industrialize and mass produce arms cause "Too OP, not high enough levels, no fun allowed."
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>>102010204
>he's class is built for tanking yes, but he's not like nao he specced his for damage instead.
He's tanking as a damage dealer. He's drawing aggro through how much flashy rape he's dishing out, not through shield and taunt buffs.

>When I said alpha through krusty's support team, I didn't mean killing his support team, I mean did more alpha damage than his support team can heal.
Doubtful. He's a level 90 player going against mobs mostly half his level, with assuredly plenty of top level healers backing him up constantly.
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>>102010315
>and yet
How is that statement justified in using 'and yet'? What are you even trying to say? They just finished making steam engines and steam ships.
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>>102009992
They're plugged in by goblins, a chunk at the back can still just fuck off and do other shit while krusty keeps grinding trying to get out.
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Log Horizon is Game of Thrones of anime genre. No matter how you look at it, you must admit it.
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>>102010410
Where's the porn, rape and sex?
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>>102010385
That's what other groups are for. They explain that there are other armies that are slowly surrounding the goblin horde to hem them in and catch any stragglers. Krusty's group is merely the forward strike team meant to carve their way through the center and kill the goblin leaders.
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>>102010410
GoT is porn with a plot. LH is pretty chaste at this point.
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>>102010410
>anime genre
>anime
>genre
>>>/out/
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>>102010430
They exist, just not in the anime. It's not even that vulgar in the novel.
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>>101973358
>I'm sure 99.9 percent of people who watch anime have played an MMO before
Uninformed post, sasuga trip-fag.
PC-gaming is dead in japan.



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