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Akuma Homura did it all for Madoka.
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I love this meme, it's so cute
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>"Your girlfriend's face is really red."
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>>101955868
It sucks that you're grounded and can't go out with your loli. Maybe I could be your Charlotte tonight. Madokami will never know...
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>>101955700
I heard it was some chick who was cheating on her husband and that's why she was embarrassed.
So cute.
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>>101956542
Lies and slander.
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>>101956542
le threedee pig disgusting XD
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>>101955700
It's amazing that this one spread so fast.

It snowed only 5 days ago in Tokyo.
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>>101956630
Fuck off retard.
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My dreams are all dead and buried
I kinda wish the sun would just explode
When Godoka calls me to her kingdom
I'll take all you sons of bitches 'fore I go.
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>>101956618
That dress is showing way too much skin for snow. Someone will have to warm up the Homu.
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>>101956542
The girl has her ring on but the guy is not wearing a ring, so NTRfags went wild.
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>>101956746
Madoka is such a great friend
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>>101956458
Sorry, Mami's princess is in another castle.
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>>101956962
I am unsure what's going on here but I think I like it.
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>>101956977
>Isn't that a middle schooler, ma'am?
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>>101957072
Age is unimportant.
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>>101956977
Sorry, Mami's princess is in another castle.
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>>101957387
KyouMami is no more.
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>>101957493
Is a better pairing that that shit you just posting.
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>>101952423
Remember that Madoka did it all for all
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>>101957387
>>101957493
When Kyouko gets exhausted trying to put up with justice girls she'll always have the person who understands her the most.
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>>101957601
So bitter.
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>>101957601
I distinctly recall Kyouko leaving Mami after she lost her illusion trick.

>>101957664
KyouHomu is best bro pair.
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>>101957712
Is just the true, anon.
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>>101957732
Exactly anon. Everyone can argue their /u/ pairings to Kazamino and back, but broTP is canon so we don't have to worry about such trifles.
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>>101957805
>broTP is canon so we don't have to worry about such trifles.
You aren't better than yurifags, faggot.
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>>101957764
Superior pairing reporting in.
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>>101957874
We can play that game.
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>>101957922
Superior trio reporting in.
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>>101957868
BroTP isn't about fantasizing about Homrua and Kyoko having sex. That's lame ass shit yurifags do. BroTP is about brothers in arms, mah nigga, my true mutual understander. My broTP.
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>>101957732
>I distinctly recall Kyouko leaving Mami after she lost her illusion trick.
And then she return to her "onee-chan".
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>>101957874
I can accept this.

At least Kyouko will have Homura as a friend, but Homura with anyone but Madoka would be unacceptable.
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>>101958004
And they really aren't "bros", they are simply willing to work together as most.
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>>101957868
>starting shit
Can we have just one thread without your retarded argument? Yuri or not yuri, why should anyone give a shit what you think? If you're genuinely interested in the points for and against either side, go and check the archive. Otherwise, you're just parroting shit that's been said by five hundred people before you, as if it's somehow more valuable a statement because you're the one making it.

But it's not. Fuck you.
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>>101958132
Let's not forget who Homu talked to first when things were getting fucky in her barrier.
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>>101958132
Sure anon, whatever is most convenient for the fanfic you're writing.
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>>101958132
No dude, Homura literally goes to Kyoko when she needs help. There's no one else she does that to. And Kyoko is always willing to help too. Also, they both know what it takes to be a successful magical girl. BROTOP
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Shippers are so fucking retarded.
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>>101958253
None of that means they are "bros", that just means they are willing to work together, that's a big fucking difference.
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>>101958362
Dude just look at the dialogue between them. They're so comfortable talking. It feels so natural between them. Also, bros help each other.
>ayo kyoko i need to kill this walpurgisnight nigga
>word?
>yeah help me pop this clwon
>aight i gotchu, have some porky too
>nice thanks
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>>101958315
>Labeling broTP as a ship
When /u/ brings up yuri it makes sense because they're talking about something that they enjoy. When you fucks bring it up, it doesn't even make sense. You're taking something that isn't sexual and giving it a sexual connotation just so you can hate it more? How vapid is your lifestyle?
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>>101958362
They investigated the weird shit in Homura's barrier together. That's not just cooperating to kill walpurgisnacht. Kyouko was the one Homu talked to when she was doing that soul gem experiment, then Kyouko went after Homu because she was worried about her.

They're clearly friends.
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>>101958315
You keep using that term.
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>>101958454
"Brothers in arms" trust each other unconditionally and are willing to die for each other, Homura and Kyouko don't have that kind of relationship, in fact they spend much of the series distrusting each other and in the movie the "trust" they have is one-sided at best.
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>>101958609
Friends? Yes, Bros? Fuck no.
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>>101958658
>n fact they spend much of the series distrusting each other and in the movie
Cool fanfic. You reblog it on tumblr yet?
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>>101958711
They're clearly bros, not friends.
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>>101958633
That's too forbidden
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>>101958714
So you're as bad as yurifags and deny what happens in the series, alright then.
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Even the fucking symbolism in Rebellion points to Kyoko caring about Homura. I don't even want to call you guys anti-yurifags because BroTP isn't yuri. I guess ou're just anti-brotp in which case, you're just retarded.
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>>101958844
But what you say happens in the series literally doesn't happen. There's no instances of distrust between Homura and Kyoko.
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>>101958711
I say bros because they have a relationship without all of the preconceptions of one. They started off just doing their thing and it became a bond without either of them ever thinking about it. It's like ToraDora.
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>>101956542
Does anyone have the original image?
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>>101958894
Kyouko literally says she doesn't trust Homu in the series, at least when they're discussing walmart night.
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>>101958960
No she doesn't. Rewatch the scene.
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>>101958860
They're trying to sweep it all under the rug as yuri, which is curious. What point is there to watch a series if every interpersonal interaction is yuri to you, and you hate yuri?
Maybe they're just del/u/sionals who haven't come out of the closet.
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>>101958986
It could be MadoHomufags who cringe at the thought of Homura being interested in anyone who isn't named Madoka.
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>>101959016
>All those umbrellas in the snow
Minnesota here, people actually do this?
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>>101958960
kyouko is a retard and will always go along with homu's plans
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>>101959155
No. If Homu told Kyoko to kill Sayaka or something Kyoko probably wouldn't.
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>>101959155
She is not, don't be mean.
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>>101959066
Must be a Japanese thing.
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>>101959066
Tokyo here, but not using umbrella will soak your clothes
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>>101960311
Seems fair. Over here the jackets are all synthetic and non-soaking, but you guys wear cloth outside in the winter.
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We /soc/ now
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Homura is responsible for:

>betraying Madoka, her hope, and her love
>enslaving all life in the universe
>tormenting her friends who not moments before risked their lives to save her
>jeopardizing the stability of the world
>destroying Madoka's afterlife
>brainwashing Madoka to keep her in a cage

She has become evil incarnate and must be stopped at any cost.
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>>101961230
You think of that all on your own, champ?
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>>101961230
She did everything right
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>>101961230
Do you want her to die?
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>>101961917
Yes, she deserves to after what she did to Madoka and the others. There's nothing worse than a traitor, and she's become a huge threat to Madoka's system. She must be put down and burn in magical girl hell.
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>>101962097
That's what you want the girls to think.
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>>101962776
I'm so intensely looking forward to the day Madoka recognizes Homura for the monster she is, declares that she doesn't love her anymore and banishes her soul to the pits of hell so she can suffer alone and reflect on what she lost.
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>>101962776
with or without lewd, anon?
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imma dump a few
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>>101963059
>Homura
>Soul
She's gone since timeline 3.
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>>101963059
Face reality, Homura.
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>>101963590
She still has a soul, even if its cold, hateful, malicious and selfish. Seeing her realize she's lost everything as she descends into Madoka's hell will be the sweetest thing.
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>>101963817
It's okay Homura, you don't have to hurt yourself anymore. I'll accept all of your grief, so you just go and do what needs to be done for the happiness of your friends, okay?
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>>101963817
>Madoka
>Hell
She's already in her own personal hell, no luminous, no friends, Clara dolls bullying her 24/7 and constant reminder that she hates herself and sending Madoka to America.
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Why won't they just let Homura end herself?
Leave her alone damn it.
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>>101964172
Because she's gonna be happy. It's not an easy route, but it's the one she's chosen.
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>>101964172
Because Madoka, Sayaka, Mami and Kyouko thought Homura was their friend who needed saving. it would have been better if they let her die, because they inadvertently allowed her to reach demonhood and betray them all. Imagine how Madoka must feel, having gone through an elaborate plan that risked herself and her friends to purify her special person's soul gem, only to get usurped and imprisoned by said friend. When she wakes up from Homura's brainwashing she'll be furious.
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>"Homura-chan, you always look so tired. Don't you get enough sleep?"
>"Oh, I just put so much effort into my studies, haha..." (No way I can tell Madoka that I spend all night shitposting on /a/...)
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>>101959066
They do in New York; Rhode Island native here, it makes my autism spike.
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>>101958775
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>>101964107
>Clara dolls bullying her 24/7
To be fair she could stop them at any time; them bullying her is just shitty doujinshi canon anyway as the only real act of violence against her post-Rebellion is the tomato barrage which she could have ordered herself.
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>>101965593
What anime does Homura-chan watch?

inb4 Jigoku Shoujo
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>>101965774
She did order that because she hates herself that's the point.
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>>101965853
Yeah, but the Clara might not be actively bullying her beyond that one instance, is the point I'm making. They are more or less perfectly obedient to her like good kids. They're just brats when left to their own devices.

I wonder how much they care about Homu. I mean, technically speaking, they are programmed to feel bad for her, or at least pretend to.
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>>101965961
They seemed to bully her like big sisters if you asked me, but apparently not a lot of people think Homu is Ai.
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>>101957601
>Kyouko buys a shampoo
>Mami used it
>Sayaka no nioi
yfw can´t into runes
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>>101966111
Ai represents that Homura lacks the ability to love, nothing more than that, so she obsesses with Madoka's existence and justifies her sins as love.
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>>101966440
Yes anon, that's what fills her soul gem. That's what is so much brighter than hope and so much deeper than despair. A farce. You're a genius.
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>>101966622
Love isn't more repulsive than despair, sin or desire. It's likely evil, she's just lost her mind in her delusions.
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>>101966708
>repulsive
It's stronger, you dense motherfucker.
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>>101966708
That's exactly what you want everyone to believe, Akuma Homura. Luckily all of /a/ sees right through your fallacious arguments.
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>>101966755
Sayaka and Nagisa commented that it was worse than just despair, and included sin and desire in that as well. Tell me, is trampling over your idol's desires and individuality just so you could keep her isolated and and firmly under your protection love?
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>>101966922
I know you're there, Homura. Why don't you come and play? I've been texting you all night. We're all waiting for you outside.
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>>101966440
>Homura lacks the ability to love
What the fuck am I even reading?
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>>101966922
>Sayaka and Nagisa commented that it was worse than just despair
When did this happen?
Oh yeah, it didn't.
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>>101967156
Why don't you come in instead?
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>>101967425
Just people reading way too much into side material.
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Witches_Artwork
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>>101967460
They said exactly that when they came down with Madoka to collect Homura's soul.

>>101967425
You can't love someone if you don't care about what they want and want to keep them all to yourselves. It's idolatry, and all of Homura's actions after she becomes a demon are too wicked to be considered love. It's all for Homura, fuck everyone else.
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>>101967868
How long have you been pushing this agenda in the thread? It looks like 3 hours at least. Are you okay? Do you need a hug, Homura?
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>>101967868

Yep her suffering all the time due to lack of luminous sure is all for Homura. She is not happy in the least right now but she believes she is doing it for Madoka's happiness.
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>>101968101

I wish she would stop posting. She just needs a hug and this self-loathing thing needs to stop.
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>>101968375
>implying it's Homura doing the posting
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>>101968575

They are just reflections of her own self-loathing. So even if they are the ones posting its still her.
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Just to set the record straight, since I think some people forget details.

>Madoka: That's right, it was for Homura. How could I have forgotten something so important?
>Sayaka: Well, it's because of some unnecessary interference, right? It might have been a bit of a detour.
>Nagisa: What a pain!
>Madoka: Sorry to keep you waiting so long! You've been working so hard up to now.
>Homura: Madoka...
>Madoka: Come, shall we go? From now on, we'll be together forever.
>Homura: Yes. That's right. I've been waiting for this moment.
>Madoka: ...! Homura-chan...?
>Homura: I've finally caught you.
>Kyouko: O...oi...!
>Mami: W-what's going on? Akemi-san?!
>Nagisa: Her soul gem is a color more frightening than curses!
>Sayaka: What is this? Desire? Determination? Homura Akemi, what in the world are you...?!
>Homura: Of course you wouldn't understand. Yes. I don't expect anyone to understand. This feelings are mine alone! They're only for Madoka's sake!
>Madoka: Homura-chan, this is bad. I'll be torn to piec--!
>Homura: Didn't I tell you, Madoka? I will never let you go again.
>i was waiting for this moment.flac
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>>101968828

>They're only for Madoka's sake!

Exactly.
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>>101969110
It's delusion. If she cared about Madoka as a person she'd stop being selfish and cruel with the universe.
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>>101969258
That fan is tiny.
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>>101968828
And the AI YO conversation as well, I suppose:
>QB: The world is being rewritten. Does this mean that a new concept has been created for this universe?
>Homura: Oh, that's right, you don't remember. This is the second time I've seen this though.
>QB: What's happening? Homura Akemi, what are you interfering with? What have you altered?
>Homura: Heh.
>QB: I can't believe it...a soul gem tainted by curses is supposed to disappear. How...?
>Homura: I remembered. How many times I've repeated now, getting hurt and suffering...all of it I did while thinking of Madoka. That's why even that pain is dear to me. What tainted my soul gem wasn't a curse anymore.
>QB: Then what could it possibly...?
>Homura: I don't expect you to understand, Incubator. This is the pinnacle of human emotions. More intense than hope, deeper than despair.
>Akuma: It's love.
>her new wings.flac
>QB: What in the world are you? You're no longer a magical girl, or a witch. What are you trying to be?
>Akuma: That's right, isn't it. I'm not a witch anymore. Bringing down something as sacred as that goddess and corrupting (?) her, a being that could do that...well...I guess you can call a person who did that a devil, can't you?
>QB: I see now. Mankind's emotions are too dangerous to handle. We couldn't possibly work with such an unfathomable conclusion.
>Akuma: Oh dear, is that so?
>QB: Wah!
>Akuma: However, in order to deal with the curses of this world, your existence will be needed from now on. You will cooperate with me...Incubator...
>her new wings.flac
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These posts are still going? Damn, and here I thought Homura's autism was just a joke.
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>>101969621

She has to hate herself.
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>>101969367

>Remade the killcount to -2.
>Upheld Madoka's sacrifice
>Made sure the Incubators could not try again with Mami or Kyouko
>gave two middle school girls their lives with their friends back

>cons: mindwiped two people

Cruel indeed
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>>101969761
>enslave an entire race is not cruel
>remove the freedom of your friends is not cruel
>America
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>>101969458
The flower scene:
>Madoka: Thank goodness! I was looking for you! Mami-san was worried about you. What in the world happened?
>Homura: Um...I...
>never leave you alone.flac
>Madoka: Homura-chan, it's bad to be all alone.
>Homura: ...
>Madoka: Even a person like me can listen to what you have to say. (Alternate translation: You can tell even me anything.)
>Homura: ...
>Madoka: Though I might not be much help...but...still! I think it's way better than carrying your worries alone/suffering in silence.
>Homura: ...
>Madoka: When you're hurting...being unable to help...it hurts me too, you know...
>Homura: ...
>Homura: You see, I...I had a very scary dream.
>Madoka: A dream...?
>Homura: ...you...you went to a place so far away we could never meet again. But everyone in the world forgot all about it. I was the only one left who remembered you, Madoka. (sobbing). Even though I'm lonely...even though I'm sad...nobody else can understand what I'm feeling...! Eventually...I thought that maybe I might have made up my memories of you on my own...I doubted even myself...! (sobbing).
>Homura: ...!
>Madoka: Yeah. That sounds like a truly horrible dream. But it's okay. I'd never go some place far away all by myself and not be able to see anyone anymore.
>Homura: How...why...can you say that with such certainty?!
>Madoka: Ehihi. Because it's me. I'd never be able to handle something that would make you cry, Homura-chan.
>Homura: ...! It...it was also...too painful for you to bear...?
>Madoka: Yeah, that's right. Homura-chan. Sayaka-chan. Mami-san. Kyouko-chan. Papa and Mama and Tatsuya...and Hitomi and everyone else in class...I wouldn't want to be separated from any of you. Even if the time came when I had no choice...I would never be brave enough to go through with it.
Homura: ...
Homura: ...!
Homura: That's...that's right...isn't it...? If that's really how you feel...then I've made an enormous mistake...! In the end, I shouldn't have just accepted what happened!
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>>101969761
She denied those girls their rightful salvation.
The universe is now a clusterfuck of witches and wraiths without salvation ruled by a physical demon.
The Incubators are insignificant in the face of Madoka, that was the point of the movie.
Mami, Kyouko, Sayaka and Nagisa will get torn apart by Homura's actions in the end, and it'll be painful for all of them.
The two people she mindwiped were the ones who would realize what she did was horrific and would try to stop her.
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>>101970346
Everyone saw the movie, anon, stop spamming.
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>>101959016
That's it? I thought a meme took more effort than copying a pic.
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>>101970346
con't
>Homura: No matter what it took...I should have stopped you [from doing it]!
>Homura: Madoka...?
>Madoka: Hm?
>Homura: You know, even when you know how hard it will be, you have the courage to go through with it. When you know there's something only you can do. You're much kinder and stronger than you know. You see...I know this for a fact.
>Madoka: ...? Homura-chan...?
>Homura: I see. It seems you don't remember anything either. I thought that you might be an illusion. An imposter someone placed. Or something else. But being able to meet like this...no matter how you look at it, it's strange. But I understand. You really are Madoka. Being able to talk to you again like this...being doted upon again like this...I'm truly happy!
>Homura: Thank you. Just this conversation has made me content enough.
>Homura: I'll be going now. There are still some things I need to do.
>Madoka: ...Homura...chan...?
>Homura: ...
>Madoka: I wonder what happened to you...Homura-chan...
>QB: Q?
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>>101970526
These are all the important ones but occasionally lurking in these threads I feel like there are people that haven't.
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>>101970670
Let's see you draw one up real quick, mate.
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>>101970701
>Q?
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>>101970396
>The universe is now a clusterfuck of witches
[citation desperately needed]
No, presence of Sayaka/Bebe/Homulilly's minions does not count, they have owners.
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>>101971378
see
>>101969258
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>>101959200
That's right. Homura told Kyouko to leave Sayaka alone because she would deal with her, but then Kyouko goes and picks a fight with Sayaka in episode 6 anyway. And then later, once Kyouko starts wanting to help Sayaka, Homura goes and tries to kill her without telling Kyouko, and Kyouko has to show up and save her ass. And then Kyouko goes and gets herself killed by trying to save Sayaka, leaving Homura to utterly fail to defeat Walpurgis by herself. For supposed "bros", they sure do fuck up each other's plans constantly.
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>The timeline where Homura is furthest from everyone because she's slowly losing her way is representative of her relationships with everyone
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>you will never hold either of their hands
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>>101972723
I'm just responding to the guy saying
>There's no instances of distrust between Homura and Kyoko.
The events in the series are not indicative of people who trust each other.
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>>101971760
>That's right. Homura told Kyouko to leave Sayaka alone because she would deal with her, but then Kyouko goes and picks a fight with Sayaka in episode 6 anyway. And then later, once Kyouko starts wanting to help Sayaka, Homura goes and tries to kill her without telling Kyouko, and Kyouko has to show up and save her ass. And then Kyouko goes and gets herself killed by trying to save Sayaka, leaving Homura to utterly fail to defeat Walpurgis by herself. For supposed "bros", they sure do fuck up each other's plans constantly.

you're overlooking the common factor here that consistently ruins everything.
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>>101972975
Of course, Sayaka is the source of most of the conflict in the middle segment of the series. But if they trusted each other, they would agree to a method of dealing with her. They very much do not do that.
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>>101972723
Kyouko always distrusts Homura because she knows too much about everything and Homura never trust anyone because nobody fucking believe her shit, this is different in the movie but Homura still doesn't trust in Kyouko, that was kinda the point of the scene in the bus.
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>>101972860
ah, right. pardon me.
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>>101972763
I know someone who will never hold Madoka's hand.
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>>101972763
Let's focus on what's really important here
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>>101973595
>tfw
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>>101973595
Someday.
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>>101973755
Mami, you weren't even in that comic.
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>>101973595
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>>101970346
>Madoka: Thank goodness! I was looking for you! Mami-san was worried about you.
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>>101974252
>bottle of Earl Grey
Every time
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>>101974343
How much differently would the movie had gone if Mami had found Homura first?
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>>101974518
I can't imagine it.
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>>101974518
Madoka's imaginary separation anxiety wouldn't have become Homura's new idee fixe and therefore she might not have become the devil. She probably would still have attempted suicide though.
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>>101975149
And then Sayaka and everyone would have saved the day and Homura would have gone to yuri valhalla and everyone would live happily ever after.
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>>101975236
IF ONLY MAMI WERE HERE
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>>101975149
>>101975236
Except when Homura left the barrier and her memories returned, she would've remembered her plan anyway.
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>>101975236
>everyone would live happily ever after.
Kyouko might be miserable for a while; she seemed infinitely more bummed out about Sayaka going back to yuri valhalla.
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>>101975385
Not this shit again.
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>>101975385
Her plan was formulated in-barrier. She respected the hell out of Madoka's wish until Madoka confided in her false reservations about the decision.
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>>101975418
Okay, they would've been dead happily ever after. Madoka comes for them all in the end.
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>>101975418
She has her big sister to comfort her.
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>>101975149
She would have become the devil regardless since that's her true motivation, she would have just gotten another excuse to justify her actions.

>protect Madoka from the Incubators
>Madoka needs to be in my reach at all times for her safety
>the world isn't good enough and this will fix it
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>>101974518
They'd strike some cool poses before Homu goes off to figure stuff out, or something.
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>>101975660
God damn it dude, you really don't give up.
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>>101952423
where are these pics from and why are there so many all of a sudden?
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>>101975762
Because.
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>>101976054
>soul gem rings not on ring finger

Missed opportunity.
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>>101975490
Haha, nope. Homura wanted to be saved right up until the end of isolation field.
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>>101956542
Why did people think she was cheating just because the guy didn't have a ring. I thought only girls get rings when they get married
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>>101976266
But they have to go on the same finger as the fingernail mark thing, it looks cooler that way
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>>101975660
>since that's her true motivation
But that is wrong, you fucking niglord.

All evidence points to up until that moment where Madoka says
>I'd never go some place far away all by myself and not be able to see anyone anymore.
Homura accepts and wishes to protect Madoka's wish.

Case in point:
>She attempts to kill Bebe simply for existing because she thinks her existence is shitting on Madoka's wish
>In the water park, Homura gives a massive speech about how they should uphold Madoka's wish and is legitimately ANGRY that everyone is fucking around instead
>Says that the existence of this barrier is making a mockery of Madoka's sacrifice, is hurt and upset
>Says in her conversation with Madoka that she "accepted" Madoka's decision, despite it being painful to handle
>has shitloads of artwork in her barrier glorifying Madoka, including several posters with the words "enkan no kotowari" in them, a gallery featuring her actions and how that aided Madoka's decision, and most notably AN ENORMOUS FUCKING MURAL OF MADOKAMI which the Clara, in an effort to make Homura angry, deface. In the manga, Homura also SLEEPS UNDER A RELIEF OF MADOKA in her tower for presumed security and CLUTCHES A SMALLER PAINTING OF MADOKAMI to her chest.

I don't know about you, but it seems like she had a whole lot of respect for Madoka's sacrifice prior to that conversation.
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>>101976271
She wanted to be saved for ages yeah, but definitely wasn't planning to supplant/erase Madoka's sacrifice and was able to accept Madoka's absence until Madoka herself confided in her false fears.
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>>101976375
It's just the homuhater guy, pay him no mind. You can tell because he talks about "excuses".
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>>101976353
Why is Sayaka trying to kill Madoka?
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>>101976375
>all evidence
There's the entirety of the opening for one, then there's this.
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>>101976574
Shit, I never noticed the parallels before
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>>101976637
>taking the opening as evidence of anything
Come on now, anon. Openings, by their very nature, tend to foreshadow the events to come. Foreshadowing is not the same thing as "it was her plan all along!"
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>>101976452
No, that page is from way after the flower field scene. My point is that in the flower field scene, she hears what Madoka is saying and she's like, "Nah, Madoka, you actually do have the strength to make that decision." and then she's like, "Just meeting you like this one more time is all I need," and she runs off, never mentioning Madoka's words again.
Given this, either Homura is very hopeful beside Madoka because the Rebellion is a good thing, or she isn't aware of her own plans until she leaves the isolation field and regains her memories. Pick one of those interpretations.
>>101976701
>Ignoring "Gott ist tot"
Familiars reflect the true desires of the witch, dear anon.
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>>101976271
Way to completely misinterpret that conversation. That entire conversation was Homura rationalizing to herself that no matter how bad the thing she's about to do is, Madoka will forgive her.

>Madoka: I told you not to go off by yourself, didn't I?
>Homura: Madoka...
Madoka: No matter what happens, Homura-chan will always be Homura-chan. I will never, ever abandon you. So, please, don't give up.
>Homura: (sobbing) I'm so sorry...! I was such a coward! To betray even the feeling of wanting to see you again...!
Homura: No matter what sin, I can bear it. No matter what form I may be reduced to, I'm sure it will be fine...! So long as you're by my side.
>Madoka: Homura-chan, let's go. Together.
>take your hands.flac
>Madoka: Homura-chan, aren't you afraid?
>Homura: No...I'm okay. I won't hold back anymore.

The unhighlighted portions of text are basically an okay to continue with her idea. Madoka says no matter what Homura does, she will never abandon her, and then Homura talks all about sin and changing form, to which Madoka raises no objection.

This was a final confirmation. The plan was not buried in some recess of her mind until she woke up.
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>>101976983
You're going to be here every fucking thread pushing your "wahhh, Rebellion ruined my series ending" bullshit, aren't you?
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>>101976974
>Ignoring "Gott ist tot"
Why everyone miss the point of this and take it literal?
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>>101976983
A completely valid interpretation. Of course, if you believe that, then you're admitting that Homura is filled with the purity of hope when she decides to go through with the rebellion. Not so evil, is she?
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>>101977189
What the fuck are you even talking about? I fucking loved Rebellion, dipshit. I'm just arguing that Homura formulated the plan in-barrier instead of just having it randomly floating around in some consciousness and it popping into her head upon awakening since there is far more motivation and impetus presented in-barrier to support this, as well as passages like this that indicate she had an idea of what she was doing before she woke up.

Kill yourself.
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>>101961230
Does the film not conclude anything for you guys that spoiled it to yourself?
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>>101976974
>Homura is very hopeful beside Madoka because the Rebellion is a good thing
Which seems to support the idea that the didn't come up with the idea for the Rebellion until the flower field scene, yes? It's hard to get a hold of exactly what you're saying here.
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>>101977283
The only one missing the point is you. Not familiar with Nietzsche, are you?
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>>101977302
I never said Homura was. Stop assuming everyone that replies to you is samefag. In summation, I hold that Homura accepted and honored Madoka's wish in the best way she could at GREAT psychological expense until Madoka revealed these false regrets to her, then constructed a plan to allow Madoka to mitigate these regrets out of the goodness of her heart. Kyuubey's threat to Madoka derailed this and Homura switched to plan B ie kill herself; but that obviously was unnecessary, so Homura got another shot at talking to Madoka, and she just carefully attempted to reconfirm before taking over Madoka's position, led by false beliefs due to a misunderstanding and an inability to separate human Madoka and Madokami's psychology as different.
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>>101977562
No one assumed that. Stop assuming anything that's a reply to is arguing against you.
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>>101952423
>Tfw you think a meme is stupid because you don't know the origin point and you suddenly realize a shitton of memes are pretentious 'In-Jokes' that you couldn't stand in high-school.

Jesus christ, this is cancer, and I've been fueling it.
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>>101976974
>not actually addressing what I said
"Gott ist tot" could be interpreted multiple ways, and is argued about fairly often. I'm just sating stop using the OP as evidence of anything, because it should be fairly obvious that that's foolish.
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>>101977332
There's also this.
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>>101977766
Which means what, exactly? That the wings at the end of the series represent the formative stages of Homulily's barrier? What does that have to do with anything?
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>>101977693
What's up? You're confusing.
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>>101977683
He used the phrases "you're admitting x" (implying he was attempting to hide or refute the point) and then phrased a rhetorical question to further reinforce that "you're admitting x", despite the person he was replying more or less defending x the entire time. It was phrased like an argument. He has his point.
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>>101977766
That's means nothing, we've been through this so many fucking times.
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>Disregarding someone's autonomy and will because you think you know better, treating them like a child and going against their wishes

What a sad Homu.
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>>101977834
Her despair stems from her inner desire to create a happy world. Urobuchi has said as much about her barrier, and he's said that Rebellion would explain the wings. Q.E.D.
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>>101977859
Really? Have you let the writer know he's wrong about how he interprets the series?
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>>101977852
That anon here. When I saw the big script pasta, I assumed it was the Homu shitposter from earlier. I guess not? Is there a script online somewhere? 'Cause the .flac files thrown in seem really random.
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>>101977905
I'm sorry, that seems like a complete non sequitur. What does that have to do with anything we were talking about, again? The various objects in Bowmura's wings showing up in Homulily's barrier doesn't support any particular interpretation of her character, to me, they just show that the wings are representative of the barrier forming.
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>>101977727
What's there to argue about it? It's a very specific reference.
In the absence of a higher divine power, you must become unto god yourself and create your own raison d'être, your own will to power. Which is exactly what Homura does. Not much to argue.
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>>101978126
My point is that the episode 12 scene is representative of Homura's despair, and that in accepting her despair she accepted her desire to create a happy dream for herself, like Clara does in The Nutcracker.
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>>101978069
I made them specifically to refute faggots like him. The flacs were just there because I felt like it. Those are the names of the background tracks.

Please try to also read the text surrounding the pasta and the reply chain; I was using the "pasta" to support my argument that Homura was not attempting to become anything more until Madoka confided these feelings to her.

It's not a pasta, by the way, I typed that up myself.
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>>101978284
And she created a happy dream world for herself in the form of a witch's barrier, as we saw all throughout Rebellion. That still has nothing to do with any "plans" she may have had.
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>>101978126
I think the idea is that the branchless tree is a symbol of Homura's wings spread out over her barrier. Not sure what that bodes for a sequel. Didn't she rewrite the universe? Why does she also need a labyrinth...?
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>>101978321
Right, by pasta I thought it might be lying around in a pastebin or something.
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>>101978415
Well what do you think this was? The fact that she has familiars running around seems to indicate that the universe itself is within her barrier to some extent.
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>>101978415
She didn't rewrite the universe, she manipulate the universe using her barrier.
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>There will never be another anime as epic as Madoka.
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>>101978415
>Why does she also need a labyrinth...?
She doesn't. It's not a labyrinth. See >>101969458 for details on what was going on.
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>>101978482
>>101978507
Yes, I see the kekkai being structured, but she has the scene with Kyubey where she's rewriting the universe to accommodate her changes, doesn't she? I'm just curious as to what changes if her labyrinth disappears.
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>>101978482
>The fact that she has familiars running around seems to indicate that the universe itself is within her barrier to some extent.
Not necessarily. Sayaka and Nagisa also can control their familiars/witch because they are kill. Homura might have similar powers.

>>101978507
>She didn't rewrite the universe
see
>>101969458
>QB: The world is being rewritten. Does this mean that a new concept has been created for this universe?
>QB: What's happening? Homura Akemi, what are you interfering with? What have you altered?
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>>101978635
Well Madoka rewrote the universe by making a wish, but Homura already contracted. She doesn't get another wish, not in the usual sense anyway. So it makes sense that in order to perform her rewrite, she'd have to use a different method, such as covering the universe in a barrier and enforcing her idea of what the world should be.
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>>101978708
>Sayaka and Nagisa also can control their familiars/witch because they are kill. Homura might have similar powers.
Yes, Homura obviously has some witch-like powers even if she's not a witch. "Making a barrier" definitely falls under the heading of "witch-like powers", does it not?
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>>101978370
The idea being that the notion of bringing down Madoka came to her in her weakest moments.
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>>101978708
Why should take the word of QB, who obviously doesn't know what the fuck is talking about, above to what we actually see that is the barrier covering the universe and changing it?
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>>101978872
Such as the flower field scene, yeah?
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>>101978806
That's a tough nut to crack, isn't it? Personally I think it could go either way.
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>>101978806
Yes, but the presence of familiars is not valid evidence for "it's a barrier". That's the only point I'm making. Familiars can exist outside of barriers due to having a meguca owner; the familiars in Homura's barrier all correspond to one of the three dead girls:

Pyotr belongs to Nagisa
Anthony belongs to Sayaka
Liese and the Clara Dolls belong to Homura

The only thing that sets Homura apart when it comes to these familiars is that she can control them since she still retains her memories of being able to do so; arguably the only familiars that take commands from Homura are Lilia and Clara, though, since Liese are stupid as shit and Lotte and Luiselotte actively attack Homura.
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>>101978959
Homura clearly corroborates QB's suggestion that the universe is being rewritten by saying "this is the second time I've seen this". Which isn't to say that a barrier might not be the method by which she is accomplishing it.
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>>101978959
>who obviously doesn't know what the fuck is talking about
He hasn't been wrong yet at ID'ing shit. What would even be the point of including that line if it wasn't true? The only thing QB has ever been wrong at observing was the presence of the dead meguca, since he legitimately had no idea they existed because the information Homura fed him was incomplete since she herself didn't know either. QB appears to be familiar with the concept of rewriting universes as he was able to correctly identify Madoka's rewrite earlier.
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>>101979018
That can be translated into "This is the second time I've seen the world change", she doesn't deny nor confirm what method she use.
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>>101978984
Point, but the fact that we see something very barrier-like covering the universe is still pretty telling. They did devote a solid thirty seconds of screentime to her love-colored thingy covering everything, it's got to be significant. I have yet to hear an alternate hypothesis as to what that could have been.
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>>101979181
I think the point of contention here is what constitutes a "barrier", which for the most part appears to be on some separate plane of reality from the real world, rather than actually being a part of or replacing the real world.
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>>101979234
It could have just been a contrast to the change Madoka did, where in the end of Eien there's a shitload of aerial/space shots where everything is shining.
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>>101979348
Yeah but we don't see anything covering anything. When Madoka makes her wish, it just happens.
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>>101979304
The "barrier" replacement the "reality", yes, that's kinda the point, anon.
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>>101979304
>which for the most part appears to be on some separate plane of reality from the real world, rather than actually being a part of or replacing the real world.
Not necessarily. Gretchen's barrier was said to be capable of engulfing the entire world, wasn't it?
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>>101979419
There is a bright light that extends outward in the wake of Ultimate Kriemhild's destruction. Could be the same principle. There's less screentime devoted to it since the POV is Homura and not Madoka, who is the only one able to observe what is happening at that moment.
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>>101979441
>what is reading comprehension

>>101979498
>She absorbs any life on the planet into her newly created heaven
As far as we know, her barrier could only absorb all living creatures into it, just like everyone else's. Her barrier was supposed to be paradise, so it would cause a mass extinction since the only character without sin is Poorfag.

There's not anything that says she's altering what's underneath.
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>>101979518
"Could be" don't really cut it, buddy, we clearly see a black mass expanding through the universe in Homura case and we only see a white light in Madoka case, I don't know why so many people are opposed to this idea, there's nothing inherently wrong with what Homura did in that respect.
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>>101979518
What, this? It's just the light from Gretchen being defeated. It was really bright. The shots of Homura's "whatever" are very clearly supposed to show the universe being consumed by something.

>>101979617
>As far as we know, her barrier could only absorb all living creatures into it
Well then Akuma Homura's can simply do the same thing for the universe, can't it? Drawing everyone into her new dream world. Whether it "replaces" or "overwrites" or is just a separate plane of reality is semantics.
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>>101976375
So then why does she abandon Madoka's sacrifice for that stupid as fuck reason?

If Homura can make an educated guess about tearing Madokami in half I'm sure she'd realize that.

1. Even if this is the real Madoka, she lacks all memories of the timeline in the series and the sacrifice she made
2. She already knows that Madoka loves her family and friends, this isn't new fucking information.
3. Its' a sacrifice because she's abandoning those people she loves for the sake of everyone

So all her aparant devotion to Madoka's sacrifice can be brushed away by an ignorant Madoka saying something that Homura already knew? Doesn't sound too much like she had any real devotion to Madoka's will.
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>>101979754
Your argument is also "could be" a barrier, so don't tout your argument like it's fact.
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>>101979786
>something that Homura already knew?
Madoka said that such separation would actively hurt her, before which point Madoka had been saying she would be just fine. This new information that contradicts the beliefs Homura held before.
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>>101979809
Then explain what the fuck is this, you faggot, >>101978482 a barrier is the most logical conclusion.
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Uh, anything in this thread that wasn't beaten to death back in November?
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>>101979786
To be clear, you're the insane Homura hater guy, right? You should really get a trip or something.
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>>101979776
>Well then Akuma Homura's can simply do the same thing for the universe, can't it?
No, because QB confirms that the universe is physically being changed. There is no documented instance of a barrier that does anything but draw life inside and either trap or kill them, existing as essentially a separate dimension.

>>101979903
I don't really know, like I said, I postulate it could just be an artistic contrast. There is no documented barrier that can affect the universe at a fundamental level, so it's probably not a barrier.
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Madoka will forgive Homura for anything she does out of love for her.
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>>101980029
>There is no documented barrier that can affect the universe at a fundamental level
Guess what, there is not documented information that you can fill your Soul Gem with Love, Homura is doing new shit.
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>>101979902
Ok, that certainly explains Homura's motivation. However to say that this is the truth like I've heard some Homufags do to defend Homura's actions would be wrong.

Madoka may have lost a connection to her family (though she could slightly influence young Tatsuya; make Junko feel nostalgic about Madoka's hair ribbons) but she isn't alone. She had all her magical girl friends in life and is basically a god-friend to every magical girl that ever existed.
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>>101980029
How does Homura suppress Nagisa, Sayaka, and Madoka's powers? How does her power work?
Being master of her own labyrinth would explain this.
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>>101980101
Gods can't love devils, it's the most forbidden love. It's a shame because gods and magical girl relations are a-okay.
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>>101980145
That's a retarded argument.

>it's a barrier!
>evidence shows that whatever that was possesses none of the qualities a barrier possesses
>w-well maybe they just completely disregarded the definition this one time
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>>101980029
>No, because QB confirms that the universe is physically being changed.
But if her barrier drew all life in the universe inside it, QB is inside it too. So if we go by this theory, what he's seeing is the "new" universe inside her barrier, which she uses her will as master of the barrier to change into a new world where Madoka exists as a human again.

>just be an artistic contrast
I'm not buying it, it's way too extreme of a thing for just that. The universe is literally enveloped by something the same color as Homura's soul gem.
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>>101980101
Madoka already forgives anything anyone does; there is nothing to look forward to in some sequel because anyone who isn't retarded knows it'll end in Dualism with Madoka probably saying that Homura was right like the spineless bitch she is.
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>>101980029
The point of contention I'd make is that Homura did both. She rewrote the universe, which is now within her labyrinth.
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>>101980285
Don't insult our Goddess, faggot. If it is her will that Homura be forgiven, then it will be done.
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>>101979922
Gee I dunno, did everyone come to a consensus as to how Homura rewrote the universe back then?
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>>101980248
Why is a stupid argument when we see Homura clearly changing the definition of things?
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>>101980248
>evidence shows that whatever that was possesses none of the qualities a barrier possesses
Of all the claims that have been made up in this thread, this is made up the most.
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>>101980365
As if there is something to forgive.

>Gee Madoka I'm sorry I made the universe better by taking you out of the equation. I hope you can forgive me for making you unneeded in the universe.
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>>101980166
I'm not saying it is the truth. It is just what Homura believes to be the truth. Homufags that think that it is the truth are delusional.

Homura has difficulty discerning between psychological differences in Madoka, for some reason. She never prefers any Madokas between timelines, for example; to her they are all the same. It is the same principle here; despite Madoka not really having the memory of doing that act, Homura still believes it to be her true feelings that it would hurt to have to go back to being Madokami.

Homura made a mistake because she had bad information. Her intentions were noble but she didn't understand what Madoka wanted, not so much that she thought she knew better than Madoka (that is probably a contributing factor), but because she thinks that Madoka legitimately believes the same thing that she does.

>>101980223
Love is apparently some potent shit, so it could just be devil hax. A copout answer, I know, but there's no reason for it to have to be a barrier. Her control over reality may be barrier-like in fashion, but in and of itself what they are living in is the real deal.
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>>101980567
Homura is taking Madoka's sacrifice onto herself and making herself suffer even more, needlessly. Madoka wouldn't want that.
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>>101980480
Well we've got the wings/tree symbolism, we've got The Nutcracker analogy with Homura as Clara, there's the point of a surreal world lurking beneath the surface of the real one that humans can't see, with green sky, half-moon, familiars, etc.
There's the connection between AkuHomu's world and Homulilly's dream world using the motif of "Mada dame yo", there's the foreshadowing from the ending lines of the Cake Song, there's the ending frame itself--WER TRAUMT--and well, that's all I've got offhand.

Wouldn't be much of a dream if it was 100% real, would it?
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>>101980228
Oh yes they can, and there's no Hitomi to stop them.
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>>101980606
>Her control over reality may be barrier-like in fashion, but in and of itself what they are living in is the real deal.
It can be "real" and still a barrier. Once a barrier is big enough that it encompasses literally the entire universe, the distinction becomes meaningless. Something that by definition includes everything that we could ever possibly perceive may be "a dream", or it may be "reality", but in the end it really makes no difference.
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>>101980606
Right, I don't know how much other people are pushing the influence of said implications, but I think Homura does very little with it--it's just that as master of the labyrinth, she can alter reality as she sees fit. Hence the record player, the salamanders on the signs, the half-moon, the green sky during Sayaka trolling, and so forth.
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>>101980735
That...doesn't answer my question in the slightest?
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>>101980881
Oh, I'm not implying that a consensus was reached back then. I'm just saying all of the relevant facts have been present for months and people keep making the same cases using that evidence every week, without bringing anything new into the fold.
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Well since Dualism is basically 99% likely to be the ending to any sequel what kind of relationship do you want Homura and Madoka to have as gods? I mean right now it doesn't seem like a job that needs two divine forces. Maybe in the end Homura becomes the force that suppresses/absorbs the negative energies that creates Wraiths; with this being either the penance Homura places on herself once Madoka is a goddess or having this be a united relationship with Madoka and Homura agreeing to do this together?
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>>101980547
Did you not read any of my posts at all?

Barrier: pocket dimension, employed by witches to capture prey and kill it, or in Homulilly's case, hold it in stasis indefinitely, exists independent of the real world, never changes anything physical apart from drawing life inside

Whatever the fuck that AI YO shit was:
Altered the fundamental workings of the universe, introduced the concept of 'Akuma', interacts with reality

>>101980512
No, she introduces a THIRD option in regards to love, she doesn't change the definition of what is already there. Whatever it is, it could be another kind of thing.

>But if her barrier drew all life in the universe inside it, QB is inside it too. So if we go by this theory, what he's seeing is the "new" universe inside her barrier, which she uses her will as master of the barrier to change into a new world where Madoka exists as a human again.
This is actually plausible. Are you insinuating she attempted to trick Kyuubey into believing she made a hard change on reality or...?

I just think it doesn't really make too much sense to affirm three times that she's altering the world in some major way with that thing.

>>just be an artistic contrast
I said "could", I'm not saying it's the be all and end all. I just don't think it's a barrier. Could be some completely new something, or it could just be what a discharge of AI YO looks like, even.
As a theory, perhaps what Homura changed was to make the universe function LIKE a barrier, with her in absolute control, without actually forming a barrier layer over it; in other words, Homura has granted herself absolute power in such a way that the relationship between the universe and her are ostensibly the same as a barrier without needing to create a pocket dimension, so to speak.
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>>101980978
Well obviously, there's not going to be anything new to add for a while. Is there some time limit as to how long debates should go on before you say "all right guys you've been at this too long, stop exchanging opinions and stuff"?
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>>101980999
I was figuring similar. Homura was trying to fix the curses of humanity under the assumption that it's what Madoka would have wanted (this is true since Madoka commends her efforts as "working hard"), so it'd make sense for her to handle the affairs of the living world while Madoka handled the dead.
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>>101980917
>opinion discarded pic with Homura
>Not having Madokami in the trash can
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>>101981005
If you will recall Gretchen for a moment, you'll recall that a labyrinth does not have to be a pocket dimension.
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>>101981131
Gretchen does not do anything but draw life in, as stated above. She didn't destroy anything but just murdered everyone. Except Poorfag because Poorfag is pure.
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>>101981058
It's just an old reference that used to get macro'd on /a/ and that fits the context here. Nowhere was it implied that discussion should cease upon my command. Calm your tits.
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>>101980606
I think you forgot the whole point that Homura was fighting to give Madoka a happy normal life free of sacrifice or combat. She feels guilty because her failure forced Madoka into a corner and resulted in her becoming Madokami. Homura is simply fixing her mistake and fulfilling her promise to the third timeline Madoka which she kept fighting for.
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>>101981126
Not showing proper respect for our goddess is grounds for getting clapped to death by Homu.
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>>101981005
>Homulilly's case, hold it in stasis indefinitely, exists independent of the real world, never changes
This is the important part, the only difference is that Homura doesn't need to feed on people (that we know of...) and now the barrier is reality, she doesn't change anything in how the universe works and only introduce Madoka back to the human world.
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>>101981321
She didn't feel too guilty until Madoka said going back to her job would be painful. As mentioned earlier by this lovely anon >>101976375, she was pretty damn defensive about the whole thing until Madoka herself expressed imaginary doubts.
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>>101981005
>Are you insinuating she attempted to trick Kyuubey into believing she made a hard change on reality or...?
Not necessarily, just that once everyone is inside her barrier, Homura rewriting the reality inside her barrier is pretty much functionally the same as rewriting the universe, as far as anyone can tell. Because as far as anyone can tell, her barrier is the universe. Though I admit that this idea may be slightly needlessly complicated. Personally I think there's nothing wrong with the idea that she actually did physically encompass the universe in her barrier, but that's another way you could look at it.


>perhaps what Homura changed was to make the universe function LIKE a barrier, with her in absolute control, without actually forming a barrier layer over it
I'm fine with that. I mean, since she's something more than a witch now, her barrier doesn't have to follow the same rules. We can call it something else if you like. I just think that the imagery before she rewrites the universe is too similar to a barrier not to be indicative of something, well, very similar to a barrier.
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>>101981332
Still can't look at this picture without seeing a sorrowful Godoka. Thanks Homura.
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>>101981255
Well...good.
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>>101981344
I guess the thing is that reality itself seems to function with the same witch-barrier control properties (replace witch-barrier with akuma-reality) as a barrier without actually being a barrier, since it actually is reality rather than an overlay.

My postulation is rather than create a barrier to engulf reality, she altered reality to function like one in regards to her control over it. So it's like some odd hybrid thing.
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>>101981429
>too similar to a barrier
I see this a lot and must admit that I cannot think of a single barrier that looked even remotely similar to that or spread like that, not even Gretchen's. While Gretchen's does SPREAD, it seems to be an invisible one, like all the others.
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>>101981441
I'm sure it hurts Madokami to see her Homu suffering, regardless of whether Homura accepts it or not.

>>101981549
>So it's like some odd hybrid thing.
Just like the Homu.
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>>101981405
I think it was pretty clear Homura did not regain her full memory until she realized she was a witch, and that remembering all the time loops at once forced her into despair mode. Aside whether the act was in character or out of character, it is not strictly bad or evil considering she revives all her friends and gives them happier lives and as long as she isn't lying kept the LOC intact.

It would be difficult to discern her exact motivation, whether she planned it all along, or it was a moment of impulse until more material is released, but Homuverse is still a good thing.
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>>101981405
But she's not imaginary, she's the real Madoka, with real people who love her and she loves them back.
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>>101981681
He didn't say she was imaginary.
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>>101981675
>remembering all the time loops at once forced her into despair mode
She remembered the timeloops shortly after the Kazamino experiment. She mentions them while explaining witches.

She went into despair mode because she had become what she had struggled so long against and on top of it now Madoka would be in danger if she attempted to help.
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>>101981626
More like

>I want my Homu back

Damn it Homura quit making Madoka sad.
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>>101981675
I'd say there's almost no chance she planned it all along. She got talked into it by a memoryless Madoka in the flower field scene. AI YO was a desperate move to save Madoka from her fate "worse than death".
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>>101981675
>considering she revives all her friends and gives them happier lives
She's just making sure that the toys that will make Madoka happy are in good condition and shine, just a reminder that she really doesn't care about them.
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>>101981618
Perhaps "similar" isn't the right word, since we've never seen a barrier encompass something before, but the way it's presented I still don't see how it can be anything else.
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>>101981719
He said her doubts were imaginary. They aren't though. Both girls had a point. Madoka wouldn't want to leave the people she loves, but if it's to protect them all she would do it knowing that it needed to be done.
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>>101981974
So then Akuma Homura trying to destroy all wraiths is just for Madoka's sake?
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>>101981902
I don't know, If Homura didn't tell QB about Madoka at the end of the series, Rebellion wouldn't have even happened. It seems out of character for Homura to just tell QB all of this important information knowing their nature, especially if she had Madoka's status as god as her number one priortiy. It seems to me that she was no longer satisfied with Madoka being god and planned a way to entrap her, but maybe thats giving her too much credit.

>>101981974
Unless the Machiavellian scheme i detailed above is correct, Homura does look out for Kyouko's well being by preventing her from fighting and its not like she had to revive Bebe for Mami, or even give Madoka memories of Sayaka.
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>>101981974
Just a reminder that you're wrong.
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>>101981890
Madoka needs her Homu back. I don't want to see her cry anymore.

>>101982149
I don't know why she'd tell coobs about Madoka either. Maybe she wanted to tell someone and he was the only one that would listen.
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>>101980999
>Maybe in the end Homura becomes the force that suppresses/absorbs the negative energies that creates Wraiths; with this being either the penance Homura places on herself once Madoka is a goddess or having this be a united relationship with Madoka and Homura agreeing to do this together?

Madoka can gather magical girls to herself to save them while Homura sends Incubators to tempt them and Nightmares for them to fight.

And they could choose to seal most of their powers away so that they aren't tempted to edit reality however they like, which is bound to be a problem for the current Homura.
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>>101982149
>It seems out of character for Homura to just tell QB all of this important information
Maybe she wanted confirmation or comfort that her memories were true. Being the only person who remembers something is more or less a symptom of insanity, and Kyuubey seems to be educated on all matters cosmic, so it's not entirely out of the question she would confide in him. She did say she did start to wonder, towards the end, and perhaps she went to Kyuubey for some solace, but instead probably got Kyuubey going "I don't know why you're so insistent on what isn't there" to drive her into despair.

It's all speculah of course but I don't think it's that out of character.
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>>101982133
She never said she would try to destroy them.
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>>101982149
>and its not like she had to revive Bebe for Mami, or even give Madoka memories of Sayaka.
What part of "but Homura-chan I could never leave my friends!" you don't fucking understand? She makes clear in her last conversation with Sayaka that if she could get rid of Sayaka she would do it but Sayaka is important to Madoka
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>>101980999
Dualism is even more, anon. It's the beginning, the ending, and the means by all which is revealed.
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>>101982345
Interestingly, if that ending was planned as sequel hook not even the final line of "I'll keep fighting and will always remember" isn't out of place, as Homura is saying she is fighting to go retrieve her friend from godhood and give her a normal life.
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>>101981890
>Damn it Homura quit making Madoka sad.

Madokami is stuck watching Homura dote on human Madoka while she is left metaphorically out in the could.
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>>101974252
>750 ml bottle of earl grey

hahaha
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>>101982149
Well in the new universe, Incubators are actually motivated to be nice to magical girls and try to keep them alive, rather than trying to get them to despair and die. Homura says herself that they weren't on the best of terms in the old universe, implying that they're on fairly good terms in the new universe. So she was lulled into a false sense of security, thinking that the new Incubators wouldn't take such drastic action based on what Homura said. Hell, that's way more drastic than anything they did in the old universe either. I don't blame her for not expecting it.
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>>101982509
>Homura is saying she is fighting to go retrieve her friend from godhood and give her a normal life.
>he still thinks she was planning it all along
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>>101982509
I agree but in a different way.
"As long as you remember her..."
Homura did not remember.
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>>101982509
>as Homura is saying she is fighting to go retrieve her friend from godhood and give her a normal life.
Uh, what? Fighting wraiths has nothing to do with that.
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>>101982582
I didn't say it was necessarily true, just that the final line doesn't contradict it.

>>101982606
She is going all out to get her soul gem near witch status to enact her plan, if she planned it from the start.
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>>101982582
Do you think there are only three people in this thread or something, anon?
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>>101971653
>someone actually believes this
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>>101982599
Homura couldn't keep her shit together for even a month, what a shitty friend.
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>>101982649
The point has been beaten into the ground about why that view doesn't hold water as above.
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>>101982444
Homu didn't make a serious attempt to kill Sayaka in episode 8 and she wasn't going to in Rebellion.

>>101982599
I blame Coobs.
>you humans are always so irrational, believing in things with no evidence
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>>101982694
Why do you say it was only a month?
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>>101982694
>for even a month
[citation needed]
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>>101982512
That's wrong, and Homura is a bad person for hurting her girlfriend like that.

Posting best ending, Homu redeemed in death giving Madoka new resolve to protect the world in her memory.
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>>101982740
>Homu didn't make a serious attempt to kill Sayaka in episode 8
Fucking stop. We've been over how this is an utterly ridiculous thing to say so many times, I can only assume you think it's funny to keep repeating it at this point.
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>>101982740
>Homu didn't make a serious attempt to kill Sayaka in episode 8
I said nothing about killing her, you stupid fuck.
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>>101982694
And a shit apostle.
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>>101982759
The time is consistent with the death of Sayaka.
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>>101982796
Not you again. Madoka is going to save Homura and you can't stop her.
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>>101963433
Poor thing. There is nothing in what Homura can beat Mami.
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>>101982864
What? You're saying that the post-credits scene takes place immediately after Sayaka dies? That's silly and unfounded.
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>>101982700
The point has been beaten into the ground that you'll ignore all evidence to the contrary. Why we let you out of your playpen is beyond me, Tommy.
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>>101982864
That is when Homura's life in the new world BEGAN, she witched out an indefinite time afterward, possibly years, if Saotome talking about 2012 as a historical event is to be believed, seeing as the show takes place in alternate 2011.
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>>101982808
Not that anon, but yeah, sure. Once she got out of Kyouko's clutch, she could NOT totally get to Sayaka BEFORE Kyouko did.
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>>101982959
If she went and killed Sayaka immediately after Kyouko stopped her, that would irrevocably shatter Homura and Kyouko's alliance. It's not a matter of being able to, it's a matter of it no longer being a reasonable option.
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>>101982871
>Implying Homura needs to be killed or saved
Just stand back and let her do her thing, anons.
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>>101982906
We are told to believe that Homura start losing hope when Sayaka died, the scene with the wings is only when she reached bottom.

>>101982934
>That is when Homura's life in the new world BEGAN
Baseless shit.
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>>101982959
Oh great this shit again.
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>>101983051
>We are told to believe that Homura start losing hope when Sayaka died,
Who the fuck said that?
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>>101982934
Just stepping in, but it can't have been long at all. Meguca do age, but none of the 3 mortal-worlders look a day older.
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>>101983026
>Wanting the real end to be "Homura fixes everything that stupid Madoka couldn't fix"

No fuck you, I'd rather have cliched Dualism over that shit again.
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>>101983105
It's a theory based on the fact that Homura is shown fighting wraiths alone. The idea is that Mami and Kyoko's team broke up after Sayaka died both abandoning Homura too.
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>>101983215
And how does that theory support the idea that she started losing hope immediately after Sayaka died?
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>>101983026
I'd rather Madoka do her thing to Homura. All Madoka wanted was to make a season of Madoka Trick, is that so bad Homura needed to become a devil?
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>>101982885
Homura would make a bad cheerleader. She only knows suffering.

>>101982959
>using the homulaser instead of a gun
>didn't stop time
>make no attempt to resist Kyouko tying her up with her spear
>escaped and didn't follow Sayaka
She wanted to scare Sayaka into having some delicious grief seeds.

>>101983026
But I don't want to see Homu or Madoka suffer.
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>>101983255
It's just seen as another variable to why she started losing hope. I mean it makes sense, Madoka's better world has all the girls as lonely as they were in the witch timelines.
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>>101982921
>all evidence to the contrary
Do you mean the absolutely none?
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>>101982522
>Not having 750 ml bottles of earl grey
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>>101983167
Don't put words into my mouth. I'm just saying that Homura's actions are going to benefit everyone in the long run, and that she doesn't need 'saving' as if she's some unenlightened, grief-filled girl, because she knows what she's doing. This is exactly what gives her the hope to continue.
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At least this thread got hijacked by something slightly less shitty.
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>>101983292
>She wanted to scare Sayaka into having some delicious grief seeds.
Or just wanted to give Sayaka a piece of her mind.
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>>101983292
>She wanted to scare Sayaka into having some delicious grief seeds.
Except she offered Sayaka a grief seed FIRST, and when Sayaka rejected it, Homura said "fine fuck you I don't actually care about you, time to die". If you're saying that her plan was to get Sayaka to use a grief seed, it obviously failed spectacularly because she didn't make any further attempt to actually try to get Sayaka to use a grief seed.

>make no attempt to resist Kyouko tying her up with her spear
Aside from whipping out a goddamn flashbang.
>escaped and didn't follow Sayaka
Again, because killing Sayaka at that point would be detrimental to her alliance with Kyouko.

You have to be seriously delusional to continue pressing this theory on such flimsy evidence, I don't understand why you keep at it.
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>>101983051
>Baseless shit.
The literal first scene Homura appears in after the naked space hug is Sayaka's death, and she's still holding the ribbon. I don't really see how it's baseless. I mean, there was an individual named Homura in that universe, perhaps, but the Old World Homura who is ostensibly the only Homura worth caring about's life in the new world begins here.
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>>101983391
You mean this scene really didn't spell it out for you that the OP isn't just random imagery filling space? Where do you think that is, anon?
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>>101983106
It was after 2012, so at least a year and 8 months.
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>>101983563
For like the third time this thread, the OP can be foreshadowing without making any comment on whether Homura planned it out in advance. It is evidence of nothing.
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>>101983563
Her fucking despairing in the desert, you dipshit. How on earth does that indicate she had it in for Madokami?
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>>101983418
So then you don't even need a sequel to continue the series huh? Rebellion pretty much ends it on the note you want. The audience is given no hints that anything bad happened and the Incubators are slaves.

What do you want from a potential sequel then? Just more jerking off how right Homura was with the ending being Madoka regaining her godhood and thanking Homura for making her completely unnecessary in the LoC?
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>What do you want from a potential sequel then?
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>>101983475
Give us some irrefutable evidence then.

>Again, because killing Sayaka at that point would be detrimental to her alliance with Kyouko.

And somehow her 'attempt' which was stopped by Kyouko wouldn't shatter their alliance once Kyouko found out? And no way she wouldn't have found that out, if Homura killed Sayaka, Kyubey would rattle on Homura right away, Madoka included.
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>>101983612
>because it can be, it is
It's circumstantial at the least.
>>101983625
herp
>>101975385
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>>101983859
Not the same anon, but I will admit that this scene could have possibly ended similar to the Mami/Homu fight in Rebellion. With Homura considering killing her and then backing down at the last second.

I don't recall if Homura shoots off her purple beam and Kyoko just makes her miss by grappling her. Does that happen?
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>>101983859
Homura had not likely not anticipated that Kyouko would rush to Sayaka's defense given the only interaction during that timeline she witnessed was the two of them attempting to beat the shit out of each other.

Once Kyouko came to her defense Homura decided it was better just to leave it rather than aggravate the situation further.

Why is so difficult to grasp that Homura can reevaluate her opinions on things given new information? She's pretty resourceful, yet shitloads of arguments in these threads seem to be based on the assumption that Homura can never change her mind about anything ever if given good reason.
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>>101952423
What does it even say man? HURP DURP THIS IS FUNI CUZ MADOKA
I bet only 1% in this thread get the joke and I DO NOT
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>>101983859
The burden of proof is on you to prove that the scene has some purpose other than the incredibly obvious one. You're the one saying that Homura's intentions are entirely the opposite of what she says they are.

>And somehow her 'attempt' which was stopped by Kyouko wouldn't shatter their alliance once Kyouko found out?
No, because that was the first time Kyouko indicated that she did not want Sayaka killed, you see? Remember that in episode 6, the situations were reversed, and Kyouko was the one picking a fight with Sayaka and Homura was the one stopping her. Since the soul gem reveal though, Kyouko comes to sympathize with Sayaka more and stops wanting her dead. If Homura had continued trying to kill Sayaka afterwards in episode 8, she would be going against Kyouko's clearly expressed wishes.
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>>101983749
That would be why they have no plans for a sequel, yes. Do you want a cookie for figuring this out?
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>>101983944
hue
>>101976375

Read that entire comment chain.
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>>101983969
She charged it up, but I think it was pretty clear Homura was near breaking point in that timeline and Sayaka was being especially shitty at the time.
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>>101983986
>thinly veiled request to be spoonfed
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>>101983827
Homura as the dominant masculine figure and Madoka as the housewife whose opinion doesn't matter?

Yeah I can see that.

On a less serious note
>Homura watching tv in a wife-beater shirt with Madoka making her a sandwich in the kitchen

Might try and get a drawfag on that.
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>>101984045
The movie was made expressly as a sequel hook.
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>>101983944
It's only evidence of anything if you're making the bizarre assumption that OPs must somehow serve to elucidate character motivations rather than just being a neat show of stuff relevant to the events of the series, as the vast majority of all OPs are.
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>>101984045
>end with "my work isn't done yet"
>Hurr no sequel dummy!

Go suck Homura's cock.
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>watched colorful again because of this thread
I think I need to cry.
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does anyone know if there's a template for that snow meme? and where i could find it?
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>>101984106
>Homura as the dominant masculine figure and Madoka as the housewife whose opinion doesn't matter?

That's not how it works in Japan.
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>>101984299
How about you ask in the thread that's actually about it. There's one up right now.
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>>101983827
It's posts like these that make me long for the day Madoka condemns Homura to an eternity of suffering alone to reflect on what she did.
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>>101984077
We also know that she doesn't remember why she became a witch, and the flower field scene doesn't reveal anything new for her, it only makes her remember, "oh yeah, my driving motivation for over a decade was to protect you."
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>>101984390
Homura has already condemned herself to that.
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>>101984399
>the flower field scene doesn't reveal anything new for her
Aside from the idea that for Madoka, being a goddess is too much to bear.
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>>101984399
>doesn't reveal anything new
>>101979902
Boku no read the thread faggot
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>>101984166
Wow you're right anon, there are no parallels between Colorful and Homura's state of mind in the new universe.
You know, besides the entirety of the lyrics and the visuals.
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>>101984505
I still don't see how Homura being sad Madoka isn't around=malicious intent.

We've established that Homura "accepted" Madoka's sacrifice, at least until Madoka seems to imply she would prefer having not made it, even in spite of how painful it is to be separated from Madoka.
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>>101984502
She doesn't say it would hurt her, she just says she wouldn't want to leave the people she cared about. That's motherfucking obvious to anyone with an iota of sense. You think Episode 12 Homura was like, "Yeah, Madoka doesn't give a shit about her me or family so she really didn't sacrifice anything"?
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>>101984604
She said that she would be legitimately a-okay because she'd perpetually be with everyone as an invisible force.

In the garden Madoka implied that the separation was actually not as okay as she had said it'd be before.

To Homura, Madoka's sacrifice was first and foremost her humanity.
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>>101984603
The only thing that's been 'established' (and this was 3 years ago, fucktards) is that Homura won't give up until she can get Madoka her pre-contract life back.
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>>101984505
Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm saying that you have cause and effect mixed up. Colorful is foreshadowing what will happen in the movie, you cannot draw conclusions of what happened in the movie based on Colorful. An OP alone is NEVER enough evidence to prove a theory, because it's not, strictly speaking, part of the events of the series. If it turns out that your theory is correct, then you can look at the OP and say "hey look it was foreshadowed all along", but the OP itself cannot be evidence. So stop fucking presenting it like it is.
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>>101984390
Is Homura you're waifu or something that you don't want to see her together with Madoka?
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>>101984124
>>101984208
Next you'll tell me we need to find out what happens after EoE. You guys are a riot.
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>>101984703
Literally kill yourself.
>>101970346

> In the end, I shouldn't have just accepted what happened!

If you can't keep your shit straight ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IN THE FUCKING THREAD FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE, then just fucking get out.
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>>101984603
>Madoka seems to imply she would prefer having not made it

She doesn't imply that. Homura purposefully makes it vague and fails to mention all the good Madoka was doing in her sacrifice.

There is nothing there to truly imply that

family + friends > helping the world
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>>101984780
Are you legitimately retarded? It's been known for months that Shinbo and Urobuchi worked together to revise the ending to allow a sequel to be made.
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>>101984817
>Madoka: Yeah. That sounds like a truly horrible dream. But it's okay. I'd never go some place far away all by myself and not be able to see anyone anymore.
>Homura: How...why...can you say that with such certainty?!
>Madoka: Ehihi. Because it's me. I'd never be able to handle something that would make you cry, Homura-chan.
>Homura: ...! It...it was also...too painful for you to bear...?
>Madoka: Yeah, that's right. Homura-chan.

She literally explicitly tells Homura that being Madokami hurt her.
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>>101984755
Homura is scum who deserves nothing close to Madoka. Someone who becomes the embodiment of evil for selfish, near-sighted reasons deserves the fires of hell. The sooner Madoka comes to that conclusion the sooner the universe can get fixed from her mess.
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>>101984955
Except she doesn't remember being Madokami, so she is in no position to say that, you idiot. Homura doesn't tell her exactly what it entails.
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>>101984956
Shouldn't you be in class Homura?
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>>101985004
It doesn't matter if she's in a position to say that, Homura believes those are her true feelings.

I don't buy what she's saying either, but Homura does.
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>>101984750
Prove me wrong faggot.
>>101984782
If Homura had accepted what happened, she never would have had a reason to despair in the first place. That's why she doesn't think she's the witch during that part of the movie.
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>>101984864
The ending is open so that the fans can go nuts, because both creators have said multiple times that the series and the world is bigger than them.
And nuts they have gone.
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>>101985118
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, anon.

>If Homura had accepted what happened, she never would have had a reason to despair in the first place.
>people can't change their minds, once they accept something they are content for the rest of their lives
Yeah, not how it works. Loneliness and isolation take their toll.
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>>101985181
>implying Homura had a choice in the matter in Episode 12
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>>101985118
>she never would have had a reason to despair in the first place

>>101970346
I was the only one left who remembered you, Madoka. (sobbing). Even though I'm lonely...even though I'm sad...nobody else can understand what I'm feeling...! Eventually...I thought that maybe I might have made up my memories of you on my own...I doubted even myself...! (sobbing).

Holy shit get out. She accepted Madoka's sacrifice as it was but after a period of time she couldn't tell if she was going crazy or not. She despaired not because she thought Madoka was suffering but because she was losing faith in the literal only thing keeping her going.
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>>101985210
Homura thinks that she did.
> In the end, I shouldn't have just accepted what happened!
That's all that's important.
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>>101985160
That doesn't prove that they will do nothing, especially with how jewish $hinbo is.
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>>101985160
Legitimately in the interview, it says the Shinbo approached Urobuchi suggesting he redo the ending so they can do a sequel, and Urobuchi agreed.

I don't know what more proof you need.
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>>101985233
you're really good at quoting.
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>>101985311
It literally doesn't though.
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>>101985362
Better to shove the citation in to end the argument as quickly as possible rather than the same faggots going "BUT WAIT YOU DIDN'T ESTABLISH THAT" because they can't be arsed to read the subtitles.
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>>101985426
>But both Iwakami-san and Shinbou-san were like, “No, we want the story to keep going after this”
cf. Madoka Rebellion Pamphlet
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>>101985233
That's what her overwritten memories WANT her to think!
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>>101985534
That is not the same as saying they're going to make a sequel. They also said that they like leaving the story up to the fans. The AI YO ending leaves much more possibility for fanworks than the simple "Homura dies" ending does.
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>>101985600
hue hue
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>>101985534
>Shinbo: "Actually, we decided to continue the story specifically to make this world bigger and more fun to play with."
inb4 'i was just pretending to be retarded'
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>>101985615
If I recall correctly SHAFT said they would do it if they can get material. The main reason it's not being made is that SHAFT's resources are tied up with other animu and there's no more material at the moment.
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>>101985233
>nobody can understand this feel
I miss [Watchable].
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>>101985678
Doesn't that imply that they want to do something with it?
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>>101985711
>there's no more material at the moment.
Well...no shit? It's not up to Shaft if there's more story. Someone needs to write it, you see.
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>>101985615
So basically you're saying that they will refuse easy money because you don't want a continuation or some shit?
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>>101985727
God bless Watchable subs. Wildest ride of my 2013.
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>>101985791
Obviously the franchise will continue, that doesn't mean there will be a direct sequel. I'm not the guy saying a continuation wasn't needed, by the way, I'm just saying that based on Urobuchi and Shinbo's comments, they don't have plans for one yet.
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>>101985768
If they can, they want to. Doesn't mean the intent of the ending is to set up any specific sequel ideas. It's completely open.
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>>101985782
They wouldn't announce plans until they had something to work with, is the fucking point. They wouldn't say OH YEAH WE'RE WORKING ON ANIMATING MADOMAGI MOVIE 4/SEASON 2 if they had literally no fucking plans; there's preparation that would go into the process before they feel confident to committing to a story.

Just like how a vidya game designer wouldn't announce some game if they literally have barely started or not at all.
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>>101985822
I can't wait for "back in my day" speeches when the BDs hit.
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>>101985935
But it doesn't matter what Shaft says, because again, it's not up to them. If Shinbo decides it's sequel time, they'll rev up the sequel generators.
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>>101985952
>Being Hitomi is suffering
>Nobody can understand this feel I have
>the most important info dump of the film being in portuguese or some shit

Still, I think my favorite subtitling moment of Madomagi has to be pic related.
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>>101985952
I want to hug a Mami.
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>>101986114
I'm not sure what's going on here.
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>>101985952
I want BDs NOW. 48 days is too long.
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>>101986114
You could practically hear half the viewers collectively dropping gg subs. Poor no-fun anons. First broadcast should be exciting, and then you can dl better subs for the BDs.
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>>101986213
It's a comparison of the camrip to the size of the actual screen.
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>>101986224
>We're one full timeloop away from April 2nd
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>>101986275
wait fuck you were quoting someone else, ignore me
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>>101986275
No I meant the subtitles. Is Mumi calling Homora beta as fuck?
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>>101986289
>one timeloop
>48 days
That's like more than a month and a half, dude.

Also the shipping date is March 29 (ie. March 28 in Clapghanistan, so we might get it a bit early).
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>>101986355
Just gg being gg.
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>>101986355
I forget what the exact line is but it's in the second episode I think where Homu approaches Mami and says she should stay the fuck away from Madoka.
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>>101986448
March 16th to May 1st. Welcome to meguca threads, by the way.
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>>101986540
>May 1st
I was under the impression the last day was April 21.
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>>101986275
>oh, these scenes are quite artistic, zooming in the face of the characters and shit, oh, no wait, is just that half the fucking screen is missing
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>>101986522
UTW translated it as "paranoia", I think some other subs said something about "sounds like what a bullied child would say".
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>>101986602
Well, Homura is one hell of a child, she has the mind of an elementary schooler.
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>>101986602
Official subs is "Sounds like paranoia to me"
Literal meaning is "sounds like a bullied child talking" or something to that effect.
Dub is "that kind of thinking is only for losers"

>yfw Homu actually is a bullied child ;_;
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>>101986580
Hahah anon, you card. That's when the last episode aired.
May 1st is Walpurgisnacht.
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>>101986760
She deserves every ounce of bullying anyone can give to her. Like Kyouko offering her pocky and all that's in the box are twigs and dirt, or Mami inviting her to tea with the girls and they leave her while she goes to the restroom.
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>>101986789
Ah, dang. Thanks for enlightening me, anon.

I-I...I was just testing you! ;_;
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>>101986760
>that kind of thinking is only for losers
Wow, Mami is such a bully.
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>>101986601
Haha, I got a few people pretty mad by saying something like, "Wow this movie is pretty shit, the camera angle is off-center and everything."
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>>101986904
Jesus Homura, pay attention to Saotome's polemic on boyfriend of the week you fucking slacker.
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>>101986904
No dude

dude

no
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>>101986953
The movie actually uses buttloads of symmetry in like probably 80% of its damn shots. It's a shame the camrip literally destroys it.
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>>101986904
Welcome back Homura. How was school today?
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>>101987031
She's still in school; it's around 10:55 AM there right now. She ought to pay attention, that fucking deliquent.
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>>101987019
You certainly see the credits differently if you realize that it's supposed to have both Homura and Madoka dancing in it.
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>>101986904
I am pretty convinced that Rifyu is fluent in English and is obsessed with posting on /a/.
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>>101987078
It's fine. Junko was a delinquent at her age too.
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>>101986994
Think of how fun it would be.

>Sayaka writing on her desk "devil, bitch, dyke" and such
>Nagisa throwing rotten cheese at her on the way to school while Mami laughs
>Madoka "accidentally" spilling her lunch plate on her and laughing at her while Homura tries to desperately taste Madoka's food. Madoka would yell "ew, disgusting, what a freak!"
>Nakazawa-kun pretending to hit on Madoka just to make her upset
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>>101987161
Yes but Junko didn't spend her time shitposting about herself on /a/, she was busy fucking Saotome.
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>>101987248
>she was busy fucking Saotome.
Of all the zillions of Madoka doujins out there, why does this not exist?
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>>101987247
>Madoka would yell "ew, disgusting, what a freak!"
>Madoka willfully hurting anyone for no reason
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>>101987161
>Homu is going to grow up to be like Junko and Madoka is going to grow up to be like her dad
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>>101987310
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>>101987368
Reminder to say no to chuunis
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>>101987353
>Non-etchi doujinshi of this qt3.14 dynamic
FUND IT
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>>101987297
Eh, Ayanero's OL-Mami doujin is enough OL for me.
>>101987353
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>>101986927
Homura probably likes it
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>>101987426
She's not chuuni dammit!
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>>101987353
>tfw Homura stole Madoka's confidence
>Now she's doomed to be a wimp like her father; who doesn't even have a say when Junko allows their daughter to go die in a hurricane because "reasons"
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>>101987532
Madoka had very little confidence to begin with; doing meguca stuff was the only thing that gave her any sensation of assertion.
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>>101987532
You'll think that, until it's revealed that Tomohisa is a secret Navy Seal with over 300 confirmed kills... who gave up working in his field to be with the person he loves.
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We're bullying Homura now? Great.
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>>101987526
Suuure she's not.
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>>101987646
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>>101987646
No, we're bullying Sayaka.
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>>101961230
Homura is responsible for:

>Free Madoka from the cage created by Madoka's own wish and give her human's life back
>Free all Magical Girl who was trapped inside Madoka's wish and give a second life to Sayaka and Bebe
>Give her friend a freedom in life and don't have to forced to sacrifice anymore
>Give the stability of the world and control incubator so that no will suffer from their them anymore
>giving Madoka's human life again instead of Madoka trapping in the void forever
>return Madoka to the state that she can live freely and happily like normal girl should be instead of being trap in Madoka's own cage.

Madokamifag will gonna delude themself that Madoka is happy to be in void and seperate from her family and friends forever.
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>>101987310
You lack vision.

>Homura sitting atop the cliff half-luminousing after a day of harsh bullying from Sayaka
>Madoka comes up and asks what she's doing
>Homura is emotional as fuck, clearly trying to hold back her tears
>Madoka pulls up a chair and asks Homura to talk to her
>as Homura sits down, Madoka kicks the legs off of the chair causing Homura to tumble down the cliff
>Sayaka, Mami and Kyouko pop up from the bushes and they all laugh about how creepy she is
>Mami asks if they should check to see if she's alright, Madoka says she's seen her jump off the cliff before so it's alright
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>>101987665
Learns what a chuuni is, faggot.
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>>101987640
>who gave up working in his field to be with the person he loves.

Mr. Navy Seal still wasn't even considered when Madoka was sent off to her death by Ginko.
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>>101987646
Still the best bullying comic of the series here.
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>>101987728
>seperate from her family and friends forever.
Except she has every magical girl throughout history right there with her, durr
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>>101987785
He and Junko's feelings are in sync and they can speak for each other because they know each other that well. Nice try, anti-dualist.
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>>101987730
This isn't okay at all.
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>>101987873
>yfw Junko is a meguca all along and that's why she always comes home late
>yfw she communicated with Tomohisa telepathically to get his consebt
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>>101987871
Don't bother, some Homufags cannot admit that Homura is flawed. Therefore everything Madoka did was wrong, secretly regretted, forced, ect.
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>>101987730
>Mami asks if they should check to see if she's alright
New OTP confirmed.
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>>101988036
Maybe if Mami would stop spearing her with grief seeds.
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>>101987871
Madoka can't talk about penises at the dinner table with a bunch of magical girls. That's embarrassing.
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>>101988099
What the fuck, rifyu
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>>101988036
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvFeyGxaaU
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>>101988090
Homu is the grief seed now.
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>>101988192
No, she's a love...thing.
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>>101988099
That's why she wants her Homura back so they can talk about Homura's penis but Homura had to go and ruin it.
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>>101988225
I don't understand why you'd want to bully such a loving girl.
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>>101988192
Nah, we past that, nigga
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>>101988347
Homura is a cunt and a horrible person.

>Homura gets hit in the head by a tomato while eating lunch on the rooftop
>she thinks it's a clara doll, but it's Sayaka
>she tries to move, but the exits are blocked by Kyouko and Mami
>they laugh at her bento with the characters of them and Bebe in it, calling her a creepy stalker
>they stuff her face into it
>Homura trips over another of Sayaka's tomatoes and falls down the stairs
>Madoka is at the bottom, she greets Homura and steps on her earring
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>>101988641
Would be more cruel if Madoka simply greets Homura and keep walking as if nothing had happened.
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>>101988641
Unlikely. It's Homura's turn to be the bully. She's already started with Sayaka.

But it will be even worse.
>a crying Madoka comes up to her and asks, "Homura-chan why are you always so cruel?"
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>>101959016
This is what passes for news in Japan? This is worse than us.
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>>101989050
It's just something that went viral among artists. It's really not a big deal; I don't know why people keep randomly replying as if it is one.
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>>101989028
>"Homura-chan why are you always so cruel?"
Didn't some variation of this happen in season one? Madoka asked why she's so cold.
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>>101989050
American TV and media is the best in the world.

Which says a lot about the rest of the world's TV and media.
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>>101984277
I can't believe how good the music was for the ost
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>>101989698
Yes, and Homura was like "I suppose it's because I'm no longer human."

That's the Homu I fell in love with.
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Have you considered a little Mami in your life, /a/?
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>>101989943
>The entire point of Sayaka's characterization is brushed off by Homura in a single line.
Oh Homura.
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>>101989943
#edgy
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>>101990078
is homu the chuuni?
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>>101990078
Birds of a feather...
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>>101977965
Haven't you had an American High School-level English class?

The author's intent means jack shit.
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>>101990021
>a little Mami
Talk about an oxymoron.
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>>101989943
>Hey look, it's that chuuni bitch again. She said she wasn't human to me the other day, how creepy!
>Puella Magi are supposed to stick together, and all she does is mope around muttering to herself
>Hey Madoka, I heard she has a crush on you, and she's trying to be cool for you
>Ehhh?! How lame! Doesn't she know I'm dating Nakazawa-kun?
>I think I'll stick one of those dead Kyubeys that have been piling up in her locker, I bet she'd laugh at it
>She really should just let a wraith kill her already, what a waste of a purpose
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>>101990383
pls don't bully the homu

At least she can date clip-chan.
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>>101990671
>implying that Nakazawa-kun doesn't have a harem.
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>>101990881
He could never choose one woman, after all.
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>>101990671
>Homura comes to class and notices her desk has been violating with "devil,dyke, whore" by Sayaka again
>Clip-chan thinks this is awful, decides to help Homura clean her desk
>Homura barely acknowledges her
>Clip-chan tries to sit by Homura at lunch, but Homura tells her she prefers to eat alone
>"Hey look, Clip-chan is flirting with the dyke!"
>"Akemi-san, those people..."
>"I'm fine, you shouldn't associate yourself with me"
>Homura continues to brush off Clip-chan until she decides Homura is a lost cause
>Homura thinks this is a good thing because she only has eyes for Madoka, but is still completely dead inside
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>mfw Homura is slacking off in class to write self-flagellating fanfiction on /a/
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>>101987110
Oh yeah, that was a huge foreshadowing when I saw it in theater.
Instantly knew some shit was gonna hit the fan after the credits.
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>>101990881
At least Homu has her soul thing and her falling off cliffs dance. Maybe she could have Poorfag too.

>poorfag's refrigerator box gets recycled and she decides to kill herself
>she goes up luminous hill to jump off the cliff, but sees Homu dancing all alone and hides behind some bushes
>Homu falls off the cliff again
>Poorfag runs to the edge in time to see Homu gliding through the air on her devil wings
>Homu notices her and flies back up to the top
>she's about to wipe Poorfag's memory but something in her eyes reminds Homu of how Madoka looked at her so long ago, so she backs down just like in her fight with Mami
>Homu asks poorfag what she was doing there, they talk for a bit, and Homu invites poorfag back to the homuhome
>the Clara dolls are excited to meet poorfag and neglect their tomato throwing
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>>101991490
>she decides to kill herself
>Poorfag
>ever upset
>ever
You stop talking shit about mai waifu right fucking now.
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>>101991560
But they took away her box. They called it "littering". Or maybe she was just going up the hill to think or something.
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>>101991490
Only Homura would ever be so selfish as to kill herself. Think of how miserable that would make Madoka. How can Homura be so stupid as to walk over Madoka's feelings over and over when all she wants is to love her? Just imagine Madoka's face after seeing Homura throw her life away.
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>>101991490
I would love to watch this.
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>>101991560
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>>101991692
I don't want to imagine that at all.
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>>101991691
Then she'd be happy to go and do house hunting! It'll be fun to pick a new box out. In the meantime, she can look at the stars, where her mother is.

She's got pretty much perfect naivete.
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http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=41579617
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>>101991839
>Homura-chan, why?! Why did you have to do this? I wanted to help you, I loved you! Why did you do this to me? Idiot! I can't live like this, it's horrible, horrible!
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>>101992308
This here is a fine board of images, y'know.
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>>101991692
She can't die; she needs to watch over the Madoka.
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>>101992399
too lazy to download and post, sorry
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>>101992399
You know how much work is to post two images? Fuck that.
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>>101992066
Then that explains it, she went up the hill to look at the stars away from the city. She was never one to bully the Homu, and finds her there crying. She tries to comfort the Homu and tells her the mean things the other girls say about her aren't true. Homu insists that she's indeed worthless and a devil, and shows poorfag her soul orb thing. Poorfag tells her it's so pretty and she can't possibly be a devil. Homu tells her it's a long story, and poorfag says she has all the time in the world. Homu tells her everything, from Madokami to AI YO. Poorfag is a good listener, and the two of them become friends.
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>>101992525
God bless Poorfag ;_;
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>>101992463
She was more than willing to kill herself as a witch.



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