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Do the roles of Tsukkomi and Boke have a place in western comedy or are they something that just wouldn't be funny outside of eastern comedy?
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>tsukkomi and boke

All the Manzai comedy form boils down to is puns, the lowest form of comedy. It's hard to pull off in english but it's relatively popular in many other countries (Latin America being a notable grouping of Western countries that enjoy it as a comedy form).

Also, she is the worst girl imaginable goddamn why can't she keep her opinions to herself.

>knock his shogi piece out the window
>steal his robot toys
>accuse him of shit
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Let me ask you a serious question: are you absolutely fucking retarded or are you just pretending?
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What is a double act?
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>>101945490

Cute girls can get away with anything. It's sad but true.
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>>101945490
From what I understand it's just one person saying something stupid and the other correcting him passionately. It doesn't have to be a pun.
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It's not that much different than the straight man and the funny man.
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>>101945510
I-I'm just pretending, of course.

Y-you just got trick'd!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg
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>>101945613
It's exactly the straight man and the funny man.

>Manzai usually involves two performers (manzaishi)—a straight man (tsukkomi) and a funny man (boke)—trading jokes at great speed. Most of the jokes revolve around mutual misunderstandings, double-talk, puns and other verbal gags.
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>>101945323
>Implying the stereotypical dumb as fuck father figure being cooected by his wife isn't this.

Ever single show in America.
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>>101945510
Do kids still watch Sesame Street? I'm too old and disconnected from the new generation to know without asking.
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Why is Yokoi such a passive-aggressive shit?

>>101945704
Every modern American television show becomes immensely more enjoyable if you imagine it is a comedy.
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>>101945323
It's a comedy form. That's fine. If someone tried to use it as a regular stand up act in the west the audience probably wouldn't have the right set of expectations.

I think it too heavily telegraphs the joke and doesn't give the audience the credit to be the straight man.

It's still better than puns but I think it's a long way from the essence of comedy.
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>>101945818
>If someone tried to use it as a regular stand up act in the west the audience probably wouldn't have the right set of expectations.

See: >>101945659
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>>101945490
>puns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td3p2XKHP2M
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>>101945323
IT has ties to the "White clown" idea.

Basically the clowns go around making mischief and stuff for laughs and there's a "no fun" clown all in white who goes and plays the straight man trying to stop them.

Tsukkomi and Boke is very similar.
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>>101945490
>All the Manzai comedy form boils down to is puns
Uh, no. Just look at Downtown for example.
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>>101945735
I don't see why they wouldn't. Sesame Street has basically perfected the art of educational children's TV, if I were a parent I would want my kid to watch it up to age 5 or 6.
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>>101946009
I see kids watching Dora the Explorer a lot more then Sesame Street.
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I dropped this ep 1 due to this. Imagine luney tunes having this
>character A hits character B with a hammer
>character C: YOU JUST HIT HIM ON THE HEAD WITH A A HAMMER
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>>101945964
honestly the only reason that I watch downtown is because I'm a sadist.
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>>101945735
Some do, but it's not really as cool as it used to be. Still better than a lot of the junk they could be watching, though.
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>>101946069
>He missed out on the Warring Shogi Perriod

Your loss.
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>>101946069
This is why Nichijou was so horrible. Everything was overstated, nothing was subtle, nothing was left up to the viewer.
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>>101945490
>Also, she is the worst girl imaginable goddamn why can't she keep her opinions to herself.
He is actually distracting. It's not fair to do that sort of shit in class.
And yeah she is kind of self righteous and butts into Seki's shit, but in particular the examples you mentioned she's actually genuinely getting caught up in the narrative's that Seki creates, within which her actions are actually understandable.
They're both sort of endearing and sort of dicks.
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>>101946069
>dropping Seki-kun
Wow.
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>>101946069
>dropping a 7 minute long show

I watch TnS between shows, like a commercial.
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>>101946069
>>101946199
It's actually really fucking good though.
Seriously.
What you mentioned:
A) They probably played that up for the anime. I read it and I didn't even notice it.
B) As Seki's projects get more and more convoluted her running narrative actually sort of becomes necessary. The first episode is more about establishing that format.
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>>101946222

Why should he watch it if he clearly doesn't enjoy it?
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>>101945490
It's because she wants the Seki brand D
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>>101946199

Exaggeration is a core element of comedy. You either overstate something or understate it for it to be funny, either is a valid approach.
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>>101946205
I can't help but smile when I watch this show.
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>>101946323
>As Seki's projects get more and more convoluted her running narrative actually sort of becomes necessary.
Yeah. Looney toons isn't really a good analogy since all of the jokes are really obvious visually. Though I understand why you might think that from the first episode.
TnS jokes are very visual i.e. his project, but they're also really dependent on her take on it and their back and forth over it.
>>101946199
If you're comparing it to Nichijou (which I personally don't like either) then you obviously haven't watched or read that much of this.
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>>101945490
>puns, the lowest form of comedy.

False. The lowest forms of comedy are poltical humor and poltical cartoons.
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>>101945323
start watching western comedies and then you'll know.
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>>101946633
No, it is you who are false.
Politic humor can't be classified as 'comedy' in the first place.
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>>101946599

I can see where he's coming from with the comparison. They're both about taking familiar, dull aspects of life and exaggerating them until they become funny. The main difference is that Nichijou uses physical humor as well as reactionary humor.
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>>101945490
>tsukkomi and boke
>puns
What? They're not equivalent.
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>>101945323
I don't think so, OP
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>>101946816
My beef with Nichijou is that its way more reliant on the reactions themselves, as opposed to this where it's more of a verbal and physical tug of war/escalation sort of deal.
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>>101946925
Why couldn't tool time have just been the entire show?
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maybe if everyone here wasnt underageb& theyd know about shit like abbott and costello
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>>101947026
>>101945659
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>>101946960

I don't think you can really call it a tug-of-war. Most of the time Seki is off in his own world and the humor comes exclusively from Rumi's reactions growing in intensity. There isn't much interplay between the two.
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>>101946044
Its the earliest form of pleb discrimination. Kids think PBS is free, ergo its shit.
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I've watched so much boke and tsukkomi anime that I started to like it to the point I feel weird when someone makes something stupid and no one else points out his acts. Like, if I watch a show and someone says a silly line that makes no sense, I start expecting someone to start screaming "TE NANDE DESUKA" at some point.

Has this happened to anyone else?
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>>101947153
Well it's less she interacts directly with Seki and more with what he's doing in some way. More often than not Seki doesn't notice her.
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>>101947269
>not having soundbites of tsukkomi reactions on your mp3 player of choice to play at opportune moments.
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SYD would by so much better without Tsuda, I can't stand that faggot.
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>>101947399

>not being the Tsukkomi, and mastering the reactions yourself
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deadpan boke and reactionary tsukkomi best manzai
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>>101947429
It's like you missed those two episodes where the girls would make dirty jokes and Tsuda wouldn't be around to tsukkomi. Shit is weird, yo.
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>>101947269

I know what you mean. It's kind of sad, since I find it harder to enjoy western comedies after this happened to me, and I really love comedies of all kinds, or at least used to love.
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What's the boke and tsukkomi of America?

You know, that routine that just won't make people of other countries laugh?
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>>101947497
>>101947269
Western Comedies died with the rise of the laugh track.
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>>101947557
Not every western comedy is Big Bang Theory.
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>>101947539
The Aristocrats, maybe?
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American humor has this but it predominantly revolves around the main character being superior despite being an idiot. The main character does something stupid, the foil points it out as stupid or generally shows disapproval, then the main character is shown as being correct or coming out on top due to his retardation.

In British humor the idiot is passively retarded and the foil acts as an expression of what the audience should be feeling.

In Japanese humor the idiot is aggressively retarded and wrong, always, and their actions will probably bite them in the ass. The foil is pushed to anger or a blank disbelief.
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>>101947539

It's already been posted you dumb fuck: >>101945659
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>>101947539
*laugh track*
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>>101945659
...I don't get it.

Is this funny?
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>>101947739

Yes, you stupid autist.
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>>101946960
Japanese comedy itself is heavily reliant on reaction.
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>>101947820
Is it?
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>>101947739
>Well, Seymour, it seems we've put together a baseball team, and I was wondering, who's on first, eh?
>Yes! Not the pronoun, but rather a player with the unlikely name of "Who" is on first!
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>>101947888
It is if you have taste in humor, which you don't seem to have.
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>>101947577
No but the laugh track thing isn't helping and BBT certainly isn't the main culprit.
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>>101947888

Tell me you understand the joke, at least.
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>>101946093
Me too, /a/non, me too...

>still waiting for the rest of Earth Defence Force to be subbed
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Boke and Tsukkomi.
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>>101947984
I do, but it wasn't really that funny.

Not to mention they screamed a lot over the same joke for several minutes.
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>>101945323
Actually, I'd say Seinfield had quite a bit of manzai in it. You'd have George or Kramer playing the funny guy and Jerry would often be the straight guy.
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>>101947962

BBT doesn't use a laugh track.

If you hate all forms of audience laughter is always bad, then you should deride standup too.
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>>101947994
To be honest, i found their latest Btasu games to be too artificial.
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>>101948042
Tell that to the post I'm replying to, not me. I'm just point out the logic leap that said post took in bringing in BBT in the first place.
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>>101945323
No, nobody else in any other country could possibly have a two-man routine because Glorious Nippon #1.

You are fucking retarded for making this thread.
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>>101948129
>Reaction!
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>>101948059
I agree. They get a little lazy at times, but I think the most recent one is a step up.
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>>101948059
Some of the in-jokes are getting a little stale, yeah. Though I did have some of the biggest laughs too such as the "dear dad" moment and the sweaty daifuku.
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>>101948174
>>101948059
I think it's not entirely their fault. It's just Batsu game is too famous that it's often used as some new comedians/celebrities "talent show" if you will.
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Nigger level comedy is better than boke and tsukkomi, anyway.
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>>101948129
>>101948160
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>>101948281
I DROPPED THE SCREW IN THE TUNA
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I wish we had another Abbot and Costello. Modern standup comedy is getting tiresome.
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>>101946069
Official worst taste on /a/
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>>101946069
Isn't this basically 3 stooges
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>>101948122

Maybe I'm just used to it by now, but I never got what some people find hard to get about anime comedies. It's all pretty much dumb guy/straight guy interactions and reactions, relatable bad thing happens to someone, some slapstick, and maybe some references. It's pretty much like anything else. There are some more unique things like the whole annoying "tsukkomi shriek" but some straight men in western comedies can be just as bad.
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>>101948444

It's a lot of things.
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>>101948503

You could probably boil down any comedy routine to that.
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>>101946199
I love how people who dislike a comedy series always really fucking hate it.
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>>101949077
Comedy tends to be hit or miss for a lot of people. Polarizing opinions should be expected.
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>>101949110
It's not even that, but I can't recall a time I've ever seen someone call a comedy series just 'alright', or even 'not my thing'.
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They said the death of manzai is going to come. Lately they put restrictions here and there and made comedian frustrated as hell.
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>>101949671

What do you mean
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>>101947577
>BBT
>Laugh Track
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>>101948296
Is that an edit or did that happen? I watched the damn show and I couldn't say.
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>>101949077
The main goal of a comedy series is to make you laugh. If it fails in that aspect, there isn't much more going for it. Nichijou has nice animation and a relaxed atmosphere besides that, though.
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>>101945323
>wouldn't be funny outside of eastern comedy?
they aren't funny in eastern comedy either
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>>101945323

Jesus fucking christ, you can't be this retarded can you? Or did your desire to only watch weeb subs mess with your head? Manzai has a fucking perfect western counterpart nigger, it's called slapstick.
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I can't tell what's worse; Japanese humor which exaggerates or British humor which derives humor from downplaying humorous situations.
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>>101954943

I don't know about you, but I fucking love Monty Python, and I ain't either british nor from an English speaking country in the first place.
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The ignorance and stupidity in this thread is astounding.

Are you all Australians?
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I think 2 1/2 men would count as a recent example of the concept, there is a bit more to it, but the groundwork is the same
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>>101945323

>hat just wouldn't be funny outside of eastern comedy?
its not funny within eastern comedy.
Why would it be funny outside of it?
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>>101955129
Same here.
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>>101947269
It's really mind boggling, especially because people in real life are as sensitive as a baby's butt and can't handle banter.
But that's why there's /a/, and 4chan in general.
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>>101947269
>TE NANDE DESUKA
>not NANDEYANEN
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Third Base
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>>101945490
to be fair

(1. he isn't suppose to be doing that shit in class
(2. most of the time she gets fucked over at end so you could call that karma
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>>101947739
It's pretty much a classic in American humor
tells a lot about American humor
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>>101959384
>tells a lot about American humor
Yeah, nothing on that superior yuropoor humor eh?
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>>101959384

Sure, that is indeed good humor. My bone to pick with murrikan humore is mostly related to stand up comedy. I have not seen one comedian that did not start using shitty toilet humor or bad sex jokes somewhere in their number. It's fucking pathetic.
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>>101960697
>humore

Derped a bit there.
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>>101945704
You don't watch a lot of sitcoms do you?
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This would actually make for a good anime

Power level debates best girls and tsunderes
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>>101947026
>watching shit made over 20 years before you were born

I bet you listen to non-classic music made before the 00s too you faggot.

Everything old has been done and redone better by now. Watching theese 50s 60s 70s 80s stuff aint gonna give you nothing.

Hell even some of the 90s stuff is so dated now there's no reason to watch it.
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>>101960160
There is no such thing as European humor - each country has it's own unique sense of humor (apart from Germany of course, which hasn't progressed much beyond the pie-in-face level).
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>>101948042
It does not?

But who would laugh at it? They're just pathetic and the "nerd jokes" they make are not even jokes any nerd would ever make 9 times out of 10.
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>>101963141
>I bet you listen to non-classic music made before the 00s too you faggot.
I bet you were born after 2000
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>>101960697
>getting mad over dick jokes

Maybe try having the stick extracted from your anus?
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>>101963635
You're a fucking pleb if you think some cunt's slightly different than average experience using the restroom or having sex with someone qualifies as humour.
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>>101945490
No, you are the lowest form of comedy.
I mean, you're a joke, but not even funny.
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>>101950821
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiYwoGH9Tng
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Abbot and Costello are the original tsukomi and bokke duo. Get rekt, newfags
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>>101964477
This makes me cringe for some reason.
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>>101964477
Haha oh wow. Having never watched this movie / show (don't even know what it's called), when seeing >>101948296 I was absolutely sure it must be an edit. Can't believe a western show actually pulled this off.
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The rest of the Western world moved past slapstick/straightman comedy decades ago anon. Japan is just really slow or slowly devolving their society
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>>101964477
I knew black people were the best kind of anime fans.

>>101966889
It's called The Office, bretty gud too.



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