A reminder that, going by Catulli 85, "Odi et Amo", we can confirm that Gaius Valerius Catullus was the first confirmed tsundere in recorded history.
Gentlemen, meet Tohsaka Rin circa 84 BCE.
When does he make his Thermae Romae cameo?
Holy shit, fund it.
Rome is best classical antiquity, baka.
I'm sorry, now I'm just imagining Rin saying 'Odi et amo quare id faciam fortasse requiris
nescio sed fieri sentio et excrucior'
Someone draw that.
>not Sassanid Persia
Do you even Cataphract?
>Not Middle East
u wot m8?
I...don't think the timing works out on that.
Dude. Classical Antiquity ended when the Arabs sacked and defeated the Sassanid Empire. Just like how the Middle Ages ended when the Turks defeated the Byzantine Empire in 1453.
Mongols and Vikings are not Antiquity.
>tfw no historical anime
>tfw no anime about the American Civil War
>tfw no adaptation of the Divine Comedy
I'd much rather have an anime about Carthage vs Rome or Rome/Byzantine vs Parthia/Persia then anything about the American Civil War.
Hetalia - season six
Tsundere a shit
Vergilius is the best Romefu
>>tfw no adaptation of the Divine Comedy
Can't be done. Dante did it in the only medium in which it can possibly be done well.
But anon, think of the historical inaccuracies that we could laugh at! If it was about an Antiquity-era empire, we might not notice when they get something wrong.
I'd much rather have an anime about based George Washington and the American War for Freedom and Fucking Independence. Nips would eat it up so hard.
>American Civil War
careful now, whenever you mention that in these types oft threads you always get about 50 ass hurt euros who foam at the mouth whenever anything American is mentioned.
>Not based Cicero
Virgil is too head in the clouds 4 me.
Nero was a trapfag
>In 67, Nero ordered a young freedman, Sporus, to be castrated and then married him.
Think about how the Persians would be turned into Not-Samurai while the Romans are paralleled as the Han Chinese.
It'd be glorious.
Was it Cireco or Cato that Caesar rekted?
>based George Washington
>won most of his battles out of dumb luck
>was a hypocrite on several levels
>was one of the richest men in America
Really he was enlightened second, and first and foremost a businessman.
Cato Cicero outlived caesar by nearly a decade.
Also all these oldfags, who Justinian here?
You are such a literal pleb
>successfully employed Fabian tactics to great effect. the goal was not to fight a battle, called the American Fabian.
Really, anon? Butthurt much? Go back to europoor land and drink your tea,
Emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire. Took back the West (or parts of it)
Really, is this supposed to be a hard question?
Marc Antony is the one who killed Cicero. He nailed his hands and head to the Rostra. Because that's what you do if you murder the greatest writer alive and are also a massive shit head.
>won most of his battle out of dumb luck
British history revisionism is cute.
>It-its not like we're fighting you s-seriously America, baka!
Dude, War of the Third Triumvirate would make a great anime.
Oh hey, what's going on in this thread
Also who /twg/ here?
Canadian actually. So I'd be nice if I were you unless you want to rebuild another White House.
>he was rich and white
so? are you making a point here? the revolution snowballed because england taxed everyone out the ass and the colonies just had to take it. money was the basis of the whole thing.
Forgot muh image.
Barbarian go, and stay go
>no adaptation of divine comedy
I dont know if you want to count this, but it exists nonetheless
I think we all know who the best Roman Emperor is
You aren't the first one to make the 'England is tsundere' joke, friend.
In fact, Himuraya made a series out of it.
>thinks canada can actually do anything
>no SoL show about cute philosophers philosophizing cute things
I know that Japan knows nothing.
I think Ovid was a tsundere.
>H-here I go, I'll show you all how to get women by writing this lewd poetry
>Oh no, I got exiled by Augustus-sama!
>It's not like I wanted you to notice me or anything...
That wasn't Canada, that was Britain.
Is that Charlemagne? Holy Roman Empire was a joke.
>The American strategy of using small gunboats to defend ports was a fiasco, as the British raided the coast at will. The most famous episode was a series of British raids on the shores of Chesapeake Bay, including an attack on Washington that resulted in the British burning of the White House, the Capitol, the Navy Yard, and other public buildings, in the "Burning of Washington". The British power at sea was enough to allow the Royal Navy to levy "contributions" on bayside towns in return for not burning them to the ground. The Americans were more successful in ship-to-ship actions. They sent out several hundred privateers to attack British merchant ships; in the first four months of war they captured 219 British merchant ships. British commercial interests were damaged, especially in the West Indies.
The Battle of New Orleans in 1815
After Napoleon abdicated on April 6, 1814, the British could send veteran armies to the United States, but by then the Americans had learned how to mobilize and fight. British General Prevost launched a major invasion of New York State with these veteran soldiers, but the American fleet under Thomas Macdonough gained control of Lake Champlain and the British lost the Battle of Plattsburgh in September 1814. Prevost, blamed for the defeat, sought a court-martial to clear his name, but he died in London awaiting it. The British then launched a successful attack on Chesapeake Bay, capturing and burning Washington, looting Alexandria, and unsuccessfully attacking Baltimore.
Peloponnesian War: The Anime would be more interest, no?
Suus non sicut feci aut pro vobis qui nihil baka!
Both Canadian and American economies would collapse without the enormous trading they do with each other.
So how's that being the only first world country without the ability to provide proper health care to everyone going?
>implying america can ever succeed
No, it was still the Roman Empire officially. They didn't add the 'Holy' to the title till later.
>Publius Ovidius Naso
Everyone loved traps and still do.
I'd just like to interject for a moment...
>spends the rest of his life begging Augustus to let him come back to Rome
Also Augustus did the same shit to his only daughter.
Rome died near the end of the 5th century though. Apparently the official date has been changed to like 486 CE/AD now.
i would watch that if it was made.
marginally related is Thermae Romae.
frickin love that show.
>Holy Roman Empire was a joke
Maybe, but Charlemagne was no joke.
How many Saxons have you mercilessly slaughtered today?
How many Arian kingdoms have you conquered?
I really hope Trigger's next anime is a show based on the life and exploits of Theodore Roosevelt.
>yfw his "Big Stick" is literally a mile long
>"BIGGU STICKKU BREAAAAAAAAAAK!"
that green text almost made me snort iced tea all over my screen.
I'd worry more about the asspained southerners who start whining every time the Civil war is mentioned. That being said, I'd love to see cute girls fighting for the future of the Union.
Well, I meant the title that the pope crowned Charlemagne as. He was Emperor of the Romans. Holy was added later...under Barbarossa I believe. Can't remember.
I would love a yuri ACW anime. Battle of Bull Run: Union defeated and all its loli girls get raped by the superior, more dominant Southern Women.
Daily reminder that Cleopatra did nothing wrong.
I'd rather see a Valkyria Chronicles style game about the US Civil War. Too bad Sega a shit.
"Shush little Fuhrer, let me show you how to properly raise your... *ahem* proletariat forces~"
Holy fuck, there's an actual letter and its correspondence between Caliphate and the last Persian Emperor after the final Perso-Roman/Byzantine war in the 7th century.
>seduced Caesar, had an affair with him, had a child and planned on using Caesarion to gain political leverage over Rome
>after he was assassinated, did the same to Marc Antonious
>had a chance to make things right with Augustus
>commits suicide to be with Marc, her second choice
She did everything wrong.
For those of you asking for a Roman/Gaulish themed anime, Asterix the Gaul is a non-cape comic that's full of great feels and cute Gauls doing cute Gaulish things.
And Julius Caesar is so OP
Who was the first yandere?
Battle of Ft. Pillow - it's just a giant pillow fight.
Holy fucking shit. That reply was so awesome? Pre-Islam Iran seems so much cooler than the modern variant.
>Both Canadian and American economies would collapse without the enormous trading they do with each other.
I haven't laughed this hard in a while. We trade a lot with Canada, but it's like 330 billion a year we buy from them and 300 billion a year we sell to them.
The US would be fine if we lost such a small amount of money. We would buy shit from other people at a slightly more expensive rate, and sell shit to other people for slightly less money.
Cleopatra a slut
Mark Antony a bigger slut
Some Iranians consider pre-Islamic Iran as their golden age. The Arabs destroyed cities, libraries and other treasures when they brought their religion.
Fucking fund it.
>Moe Aristotle making egregiously innacurate claims about physics
>Hegel and Schopenhsuer trying to get Kant-senpai to notice them
Meanwhile, Hegel is super popular with all the 1st years, but doesn't care.
What about Nietzsche and Rousseau?
I thought Antony had Cicero's throat slit. Who am I thinking of?
He had his goons cut Cicero's head off and then used Cicero's parts as a statement. Antony had a lot of people killed.
Thermae Romae song was a masterpiece
did the movie get subs?
Nietzsche-kun is a male Tomoko and Rousseau is constantly fighting against the school administration for better student's rights.
Seneca is best Stoic. Cicero a ok.
But secretly Rousseau is an ecchi who loves to be spanked
You guys all suck. The best Ancient Tale to be set as an anime would definitely have to be The Golden Ass or the Satyricon
Rousseau: Slut with a heart of gold
Nietzsche: Sukeban who bullies the other philosophers
Seneca stands there and takes it while Cicero runs intellectual and stylistic laps around him.
You know, the Satyricon would be a big hit with the fujoshi. They'd be pleased with its "rampant homosexuality," as one professor put it.
If only the Byzantines and Persians didn't ass-rape each other so much, this wouldn't have happened.
Why did they let it happen?
>there will never be an anime about the Venetians and the Genoese trying to kill each other for the right to jew the whole Mediterranean
I wonder if there were fujos back then
Okay yeah, I guess I was confusing him with one of the other hugely successful Romans that Antony had killed. It might have actually been one of his family members.
But still, those last words:
>There is nothing proper about what you are doing, soldier, but do try to kill me properly.
Cicero a best.
There're lots of if only's, anon.
If only the forth crusade hadn't happened.
ite ipsum futue
>all these romefags
Neo /α/ is truly a horrible place.
>There will never be an anime about Vlad III keeping ottomans out of yurope
They were called 'Spartans'
The Emperor has to have fun in that huge Domus Aurea of his, right?
Tu should have given us attention baka athens
Gilgamesh was the original tsundere. M-mongrel!
Would you rather have an anime depicting politics, with a king or an adviser as the MC, or would you rather have an anime depicting war, with a general or soldier as the MC?
It makes me sad to see how much Iran has lost. Islam destroyed their culture.
If both isn't possible then war with general as MC.
Islam has destroyed many cultures.
We were too busy discussing about which Muse was best girl back then. Not that you romefags know what a Muse is.
That is why the Mongols are the true saviors of the world. 1258 best year of my life.
Really? Going by the Epic of Gilgamesh, he seems to be more the original Barney Stinson. I feel this rings particularly true when he hires a prostitute for his best friend.
Go home, Asia. You're drunk.
>fucking the guy so hard that he became civilized
But the Mongols who went west converted to Islam. And they burned every library in the near east that the Muslims left standing. What little culture they had left was ground into the dirt.
It's common consensus that all the cool cultures and countries are the ones that lost.
Grviii mosaic mviii I rviii it a viii/viii
That's just nostalgia. If the Roman Empire still existed everybody would hate their guts. And Celts were the niggers of Antiquary Europe.
So has Catholicism.
Nice source you got there, bro.
If you consider the loss of such barbaric cultures something to mourn over, I pity you.
But Prussia was awesome at all stages of it's existence.
Ishtar best girl
>Not liking them
Reverse search gives me nothing. What is that image?
Don't you talk shit about baltic bros m8, stop being so butthurt just because they didn't invite you to their crazy romuvan parties
I'll give you the Gaels and Norse, but Prussia was awesome. Christianizing of the Vikings couldn't come soon enough, those pagans would have razed northern Christendom to the ground if they'd been left unchecked.
>Liking a whore
The English later conquered them though, and the English were basically quarter roman or something, so it's just as good.
Mongols and their Turkic cousins are more responsible for rape and murder then "saving" culture.
The massacres they perpetuated in China, Persia, India, and the Middle East are legendary in scope.
Mongols a shit.
>razed northern Christendom to the ground if they'd been left unchecked.
And nothing of value would have been lost
FWIW, there's a lot of argument about the validity of these letters; they're possibly forged. But I know /a/ knows how to use Google, so you already know that, right?
>Not liking the goddess of fertility, love, war, and sex
>Constantinople-Senpai will never enact the Hikaru Genji plan on Venice-Chan
>Venice-oujo-sama will never go yandere for Constantinople-Senpai when he starts ignoring the queen to build a harem with Genoa-san, Pisa-san, and Amalfi-Chan
Shut up Arab.
Are romans the inventors of fanfiction?
It's from an evangelion doujin, I think it was Mari going trough NTR, I don't remember the source however.
I would be terribly fine with that
The vikings indiscriminately burned and looted churches, abbeys, and monasteries. Many books were lost, many works of art and histories. If they'd managed to spread their pagan religion and completely stamp out the Faith, much of the history of those lands would be forever lost. The vikings were a blight on Europe, they brought only destruction.
>implying Pallas Athena isn't best antiquity girl.
>Author Junji Hotta has blessed the world with “Tsundere, Heidegger, and Me”, a tour de force of European philosophy… in a world where all the philosophers are self-conscious anime girls. The books went on sale September 14.
>The table of contents includes: “Chapter 1, Descartes: proving the existence of God”; “Chapter 2, Spinoza: man is the greatest for man”, “Chapter 3, Berkeley and Hume: to exist is to be aware”, “Chapter 4, Kant: the starry heaven above me and morality within me”, “Chapter 5, Hegel: the world is an infinite progression towards wisdom”, “Chapter 6, Nietzsche: God is dead, but nothing has changed”, “Chapter 7, Heidegger: without a world, we do not exist, without us, the world does not exist, we are not alone”.
>“I think. Therefore, there’s me, K?”
>implying you wouldn't want Kant-sempai to lecture you on the moral imperative
On the wiki its just saying one guy's opinion if the letter between the two could be a forgery or not, not that its been proven yet.
It is known that the Rashidun Caliphate sent out a fuck ton of letters to the Persians, Byzantines, Ethipoians, and so on inviting them to become Muslims.
And looking at precedent, people claimed Khosrau Parviz's rejection and correspondence with Mohammad was "fake" in the past before been validated.
So who knows.
If not fanfiction, they were at least 4chan
No one needs that.
Everyone needs that.
But then the Reformation may not have happened and Germany would have been much more divided and you may not end up with those sexy borders in 1900. I'm alright with the destruction of Norse culture if it means we get those sweet 1900 European borders.
We need more Dere archetype historical figures
>The English were basically quarter roman
>Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men’s behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity!
Sounds like /v/ alright.
is that grumio?
>>Author Junji Hotta has blessed the world with “Tsundere, Heidegger, and Me”, a tour de force of European philosophy… in a world where all the philosophers are self-conscious anime girls. The books went on sale September 14.
>>The table of contents includes: “Chapter 1, Descartes: proving the existence of God”; “Chapter 2, Spinoza: man is the greatest for man”, “Chapter 3, Berkeley and Hume: to exist is to be aware”, “Chapter 4, Kant: the starry heaven above me and morality within me”, “Chapter 5, Hegel: the world is an infinite progression towards wisdom”, “Chapter 6, Nietzsche: God is dead, but nothing has changed”, “Chapter 7, Heidegger: without a world, we do not exist, without us, the world does not exist, we are not alone”.
>>“I think. Therefore, there’s me, K?”
yfw Konigsberg is now a dirty russian land-locked state and Danzig is now Polish.
>implying that original Islam didn't harm Persia and Iraq
>implying the Monglos didn't destroy that culture
See, the House of Wisdom, for example
You seem mad.
>there will never be a Ninlil anime
>She lived in Dilmun with her family. Raped and ravaged by her husband Enlil, who impregnated her with water, she conceived a boy, Nanna/Suen, the future moon god. As punishment Enlil was dispatched to the underworld kingdom of Ereshkigal, where Ninlil joined him. Enlil impregnated her disguised as the gatekeeper, whereupon she gave birth to their son Nergal, god of death. In a similar manner she conceived the underworld god Ninazu when Enlil impregnated her disguised as the man of the river of the nether world, a man-devouring river. Later Enlil disguised himself as the man of the boat, impregnating her with a fourth deity Enbilulu, god of rivers and canals.
is it too late to ask how you know he's tsundere?
Odi et Amo is ABOUT being tsundere.
Granted, he could easily have just been writing about the subject without knowing from personal experience, rendering this whole thread rather moot, but...I wanted to either talk about tsunderes or Antiquity, and I wanted to maximize my chances of getting one of those two.
Fine, the French which were like half, made up like, what, 1/8 of them? So at least 1/16 roman.
At least we didn't bury our waifus in the desert and eat lizards.
Purest waifu was here, your slut waifu a shit
Hey /a/, /co/mr/a/de here. Don't mind me, just enjoying having nice things.
Canada would. America would not.
But /a/ has Legend of Koizumi.
>tfw you wanted your brother's D 3000 years before the girls in chinese cartoons did and still nobody shitposts about you.
Byblis for best Oreimo.
The trade across Ambassador Bridge between Windsor, Ontario, and Detroit, Michigan, alone is equal to all trade between the United States and Japan.
Western interpretations of the west pls go. Might as well just read Hemingway.
I think the english were more than a quarter roman.
England was a Roman province, and they were, after the Empire's collapse, conquered by latinized germans (William the Conquerer).
Although the english language is grammatically very germanic, about half it's vocabulary comes from latin.
Well this comic has Chairman Mao so it's almost on par.
And still only makes up a small fraction of America's gigantic international trade.
Native Celtic and Iceni tribes were assimilated by Saxons. Then whatever "Romaness" in them was bred out by the time of the Norman invasion.
This thread makes me sad that there isn't more (European) historical fiction anime, and that such a thing would be too niche for western animators to even consider.
On the other hand, the original website that Wikipedia cited doesn't seem to exist anymore, the documents themselves allegedly elude being found, and any further research is in moon script that I can't read. I'm thinking it's probably fake, but it's not something anyone can know for sure unless more evidence arises.
History is pretty neat that way. It's like one of R07's catboxes.
Shutting down trade completely would also put almost 7 million Americans out of work that relies on Canadian/American trade relations.
Canada is also the largest foreign supplier of crude oil (25% of oil imports) and natural gas to the United States.
So yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.
God damn can you imagine if we had a history board?
Every god damn thread would be this glorious.
You mean halted because it would be deemed racist and considered a form of expressive "white supremacist beliefs".
/v/ isn't big on traps these days. That hat has passed back to /a/ and /tg/.
Be happy with your 999th rendition of Romance of the Three Kingdoms, pleb.
Except for their Christian religion, which was very Roman by the time it made its way to England.
It would turn into /pol/ 2.0. The best bet is to hang around /twg/.
/k/ is probably the closest. But you usually have to stick to military history
You're implying that America would not just buy that shit elsewhere at higher cost. It would be a dent in our economy. It would crush Canada.
No, it would be a stagnant pile of shit
Gender swapped Claudius would be the most moe though, could anyone else really compete?
If it was a history board making this thread, could we still talk about these figures in the context of anime character archetypes and waifu wars?
Hey guys, I wrote a new story, I call it Aeneid, it is a Iliad fanfic except it has my own original character that goes on big adventures, gets all the girls and turns out to be the ancestor of our country. Original story please don't steal.
Why would you admit to going to /co/?
>tfw imaging Cyrus the Great as an Archer-class Servant meeting Gilgamesh
>Sup bro, I know you, I conquered your people
Just imagine Gil's reaction to that.
To make a whole board for it would be to destroy nice history threads
They must remain a once a month type of thing
More like revisionist history board.
If it had the same disclosure at the top as /b/ then it would be great.
>You're favorite civilization is shit
But losing even a fraction could be an enormous long-term problem. And the US is already on pretty shakey grounds right now in terms of stabilizing their economy. Not to mention the large number of Canadian citizens who live in the US that would likely leave after seeing that as a petty act, creating even more labour market shortages. At the end of the day you're probably looking at close to maybe 10 million job losses as well as pissing off the one country that no one ever bullies. And you can likely bet England and France would step in to defend Canada before the US.
I hate what Social Justice Warriors are doing to the discourse on race, equality, and human rights in general. I agree with their basic premise (that people should be treated equally under the law), but the way they go about things is dangerous and is almost cult-like.
Screaming at people for expressing different views is not the proper way to promote tolerance and compassion; displaying those traits yourself is.
Well, India is objectively shit.
Really? I'd say that /tg/ is closer. You can justify any historical discussion by saying "I want to run a campaign based on X", and almost everyone there is an amateur historian.
My nigger. We used his poetry in Latin to learn about common poetic meters used at the time (we actually spent some time on that very poem, 85). 43 is my favorite.
>Salve, nec minimo puella naso
>nec bello pede nec nigris ocellis
>nec longis digitis nec ore sicco
>nec sane nimis elegante lingua.
>Decoctoris amica Formiani,
>ten provincia narrat esse bellam?
>Tecum Lesbia nostra comparatur?
>O saeclum insapiens et infacetum!
Fuck France and Austria, Burgundy-chan was my waifu ;-;
Some people like animation and cartoons regardless of what some cliques think.
Besides, there's tons of western cartoons animated by Japan.
I wonder how The Avengers did in Japanese cinema.
Pumpkin a shit
Shouldn't Rome be the one with sunglasses?
How would that even work?
I can't even imagine Gil's Reaction
>Shutting down trade completely would also put almost 7 million Americans out of work that relies on Canadian/American trade relations.
>Canada is also the largest foreign supplier of crude oil (25% of oil imports) and natural gas to the United States.
The companies would import at a higher cost. But they would simply raise prices. The only people to lose here are the consumers.
>Dante's guide in the Divine Comedy is Virgil
>The Divine Comedy is essentially Dante's fanfic about the Canon that he uses to shit on people he hates
Bayern-tan is mai waifu
Just imagine if she had formed Germany instead of baka Prussia
>being proud of having enough nuke to destroy hundreds of earths because of a shitty war
I'd accuse you of being ironic, but you probably just didn't do your homework.
>Fun fact: Author of Hokuto no Ken wrote a manga about a Japanese archeologist time traveling into Medieval Mongolia and meets Genghis Khan who actually turns out to be Minamoto Yoshitsune who ran away from Japan
>Many Japs long ago apparently seriously believed in this theory and tried to find evidence. Some still do.
Fucked up, /a/non.
Maybe in a few centuries something will happen to make Rome-oji-sama proud?
That reminds me of the British Olympics
>Omg our nation is in terminal decline! Our empire is lost!
>But, hey, we have our national health service!
If we can't have the world, you damn well know no one else is going to have it either. Sorry your country can't into WMDs of relevance.
Well it is basically one of the well received self-insert fanfic shipping yourself to a girl who will never talk to you.
Well I was just supposing since Gil is an Archer-class and Middle Eastern/Babylonian/Sumerian whatever mythological hero, Cyrus would be one as well.
He did conquer Babylon though, true enough. How he met his end is still debated by historians to this day.
I kinda fail to see the link.
That's 7 million angry citizens you're going to have to probably pay to compensate for killing their workplace unless you want to have a violent conflict. And paying wouldn't be cheap furthering the economic woes.
You do realize the biggest problem with being a jerk to Canada is how it would make the US look on the international scene more than just economic woes? Bullying Canada is like picking on the cute friendly girl everyone likes. And it's made worse when it's done by the global school yard bully with parental insecurity issues because his papa Britain wouldn't give him enough allowance.
I mean you can only flex the whole macho "manifest destiny" crotch muscle so far.
UK is the worst.
The only thing they have going for them is a corrupt and usurious financial sector.
At least it ain't as bad as Lovecraft of anything with Woody Allen in it.
I swear to God that any and all works involving Woody Allen are self-insertion fanfiction.
>Greece get out of deneb
>Italy making the third Roman Empire after union with Romania
>Spain doing stuff
One can hope.
Also wish the Heroic Legend of Arslan would continue. That was fun seeing Not-Persians fight crazy Not-Christians in war.
Cambridge Latin: the Anime
That would be fantastic. Season 1 is just Metella sitting places and grumio cooking things. Suddenly, season 2 rolls around and we're following Quintus around the roman empire.
Please don't bully poor Claudius
Why would they bully him after his death like that?
Isn't the FMA author doing a manga adaption of the LNs?
As you say, there's no reason to be stirring up shit with Canada.
China, on the other hand... although the US has tight economic ties with the "People's Republic", the country is best seen as the biggest geopolitical and philosophical threat of the modern era.
I'd prefer a Russo-American alliance any day of the week to the continuation of Chinese-appeasement.
On a related note, I think I'm gonna get tickets to Shen Yun this May. Although I despise the PRC, I do appreciate Chinese culture, in addition to their girl cartoons.
Because that old melon didn't gourd the empire like he was supposed to, and couldn't squash rebellions either.
Livia would be the best girl though
Cambridge latin, oh the good old days.
Grumio is total bro material. 10/10 would free.
Political intrigue / warfare anime set during the reformation would be awesome.
Obama and Putin can do to Europe what Hitler and Stalin did to Poland.
Where was Germanicus when he needed him? ;_;
He had great taste though
Agrippina best grill
And why the fuck would USA want a piece of shit like Europe?
The brittania chapters would be awesome.
Grumio is the one and only true husbando
And there's even a relatively large number of professional historians there, too.
Ask a statist, I don't fucking know.
>NTR'd by your own father
The guy is all bark and no bite, he has no realistic way to follow up on any threats outside of the former Soviet Block. At best he's just getting Russia to survive at the moment while being steeped in the corruption that the oligarch has caused.
Grumio died drunk in the streets wallowing in self-despair.
I'd imagine a Reformation era set anime with Witchcraft, intrigue, and warfare would be popular and it would be called a Certain Magical Index Librorum Prohibitorum
>waifu starts the series as perfect, pure, and powerful
>writer end the series by turning her into a tired old whore
I hate when this happens
You mean all the unemployed, terrible history majors that couldn't anything but an adjunct professorship anywhere?
Would you want to watch an anime about the Dalai Lama travelling around the world, sampling a bit of culture to fulfil a SoL genre obligation, and then giving basic lessons on humanity and compassion?
I'd like to watch the Passion of the Christ in anime form.
I'm going to post this everyday until you like it.
Tenzin is so moe~
>dat heartwarming laugh and sense of humour
Why did they even add Abyssinia to the show anyway? I don't see the fucking point in this kingdom/nation/something, it is confusing as hell.
There are like thousands of years of build-up for this character, always with things like "Muh ark of the covenant, muh Prester John, muh Solomon ancestry" but it never goes into anything! They like, survive both the muslin invasion despite being a boat away from Mecca, and the colonialism and yet they are like the poorest guys around Africa, it don't makes sense, I don't get it, they build up the whole thing as if they had some big as fuck powerlevels and then they go full jobber on the most basic things.
I HATE IT
Fuck Obama; the only reason anyone voted for him is because he's O'black. He (like too many other US political figures) is a motherfucking Truniht.
Also, the US's geopolitical strategy at the moment would benefit most from the eastward expansion of the EU, eventually leading to the incorporation of Russia as a stabilizing force for Franco-German power. This would also serve to offset Chinese global power.
Conquest is not the best option, when diplomacy is a viable alternative. The problem with China is that they're still a little too bent on the whole "people's republic" thing for diplomacy to be viable. China wants to be top dog and has its eyes set on establishing a hegemony over East Asia (whereas the recently humbled Russia is more politically manageable [or would be were it not for various SNAFUs]).
As Machiavelli states in the Prince, war is something that's put off to the benefit of one's enemies. China has realized this and is in the process of building up a blue water navy, something that must be nipped in the bud. The US and Japan MUST maintain a combined superiority over the Pacific, lest the bane of communist collectivism run the risk of dominating political discourse over the next epoch.
WW3 needs to happen soon. US v China; Russia can come in late to snag some glory like the US did during WW2. Meanwhile China is broken up into more manageable pieces. Tibet regains autonomy, and, I dunno, the emperor can have a Jade throne. Or maybe Wei et al. can become kingdoms again. Honestly, I need to do a bit more reading before I can offer a real plan for dividing China, but the primary point remains: the PRC needs to be quickly dealt with.
This is precisely why he needs to be courted.
The US doesn't need equal partners; it needs lesser allies to be benevolent towards.
HURR THE CHINKS ARE COMING!!!!!!!!!!!
You mean Saint no Oniisan?
I'd prefer something more mystical and heady than the mess of Christianity that Mel Gibson made.
Why would you want to see a show about a man being betrayed by a friend, abandoned by everybody else, beaten, tortured, falsely accused, scourged, and then die in one of the most slow, painful ways known in the ancient world in front of his mother?
I certainly agree there, an autocratic lap dog is the best type of lap dog. Loyal and will do what the master is squeamish about doing.
He's a bit of a proud man though, I doubt he would do anything unless he looked like he was winning at least.
I love you anon
That whole arc was hell man, Maria Theresa? More like Mary Sue.
The writers were clearly Austriafags and it quickly reached fanfic writing levels of retarded, Burgundy, Venice, Hungary, Tuscany, Bohemia, Ottomans, all these characters were building up to do some crazy shit but got their plot cut from the series because they needed more Austria screen time.
Thanks god they fired the Habsfags writers before the "union with Spain" thing became a real thing.
I wonder if people in China say the same thing about how evil and threatening to the world security the US is and how they need to once and for all assert dominance over the savage barbarians who only know diplomacy with guns drawn.
>he looked like he was winning at least.
Isn't diplomacy basically making someone think he's winning when in fact he is losing?
Please don't sow these seeds into people's minds
/a/ is a propaganda free zone
Not to mention that whole
>let's just give Hapsburg Spain half the fucking world because reasons
I'm glad the new writers totally fucked that plan over with hyper-inflation and bankruptcy
Essentially, though Putin is no idiot when it comes to diplomacy, he has a sharp tongue to criticize any terrible events happening in the world of democracy outside of Russia, but lord knows don't be the one who internally pecks away at the reality of freedom on the ground over there.
I think he would want something pretty substantial, like an actual concession before getting involved in any conflict. Nobody is going to risk an invasion of Russia if they have any brains about themselves.
Well, they are the United State's biggest threat to power on the global stage (because lol Russia), and they have already shown imperialist tendencies in their relationships with Tibet, India, and the rest of their Asian neighbors (their positively outrageous sea claims come to mind). Although the US government has certainly been lacking in the area; the PRC government doesn't even pay lip service to the ideals of individualism or human rights. Furthermore, they appear to be at least somewhat more competent than the USSR administration.
Consequentially, they must be rendered harmless. Sooner rather than later. Chasing "terrorists" isn't helping US geopolitical strategy; it only serves to fill the pockets of the elite while the real threat grows. Considering that the US has arguably reached its apex and has started decline, the possibility of PRC global hegemony is all the more important an issue to deal with.
>I wonder if people in China say the same thing about how evil and threatening to the world security the US is and how they need to once and for all assert dominance over the savage barbarians who only know diplomacy with guns drawn.
That's actually not an entirely flawed perspective. The rise of any Eastern power will be met with vigilance and US hegemony is keeping the political realm in a stable but tense position and it's influences prevents a lot of things and brings a lot of influences.
>Murderers and assassins
Come on now, Anons
>the PRC government doesn't even pay lip service to the ideals of individualism or human rights
Well lets be honest here, the Chinese as a civilization have never been focused on individuality, at least not for the last couple thousand years. They are people who thrive in a community based setting, and probably always will in some form or another.
He was a cool guy.
I loved this dude. Catullus 16 is the best poem.
Can we have waifu wars, but with old poetry?
I think it might be a good time for all.
Fuck man, the Iberian Harem arc was so fun, why did it had to end with worst girl winning? Nobody was supposed to win, we were fine with all the characters we had there, but nope, Castile had to go and mess everything for everyone, poor Navarra-chan, she was not even part of the harem and yet got NTR'd from existence.
When you think about it, perhaps the US has demonstrated that total individualism fails. For years they tried to run a market based on the idea that anyone should be able to make a fortune without having to pay too much of it back. The result is that you have a class of hyper rich citizens that control an absurd amount of affairs to an extent where they can fool the populations into believing that them having all the money is in their best interests. While the rest of the world laughs and mocks Fox News there is probably anywhere from 30-40% of citizens that take a majority of what they say very seriously. They even have people in the poverty class believing that socialized medicine would be adverse to overall health. But of course they always hang high the communist straw man any time someone discusses distributing a more egalitarian plan for economic wealth distribution. They cling to the idea of individuality as an excuse to not assist your fellow man, but to only further yourself.
Asterix is god tier, and must read.
Except the uderzo only ones.
Oh, I'm sure that they do, and given the bungling military misadventures perpetuated by the US administration, I can't really blame them. However, despite my disdain for the politicians of DC, I have no desire to see the PRC rise to power.
Which leads us to the real problem of geopolitics: people die meaninglessly. If you're responsible for maneuvering your state on the Grand Chessboard, you WILL send people to their deaths. It is an unfortunate reality, because without such calculated planning, even more people will suffer.
Instead of the present mess, would that the State were headed by an Iron Buddha; a man who loves those who must be condemned.
I don't think an invasion of Russia is necessary or even at all desirable from the geoplitical calculus. Russia should, more or less, be left to be Russia. The suffering of the Chechens et al., though terrible, buys the peace of Europe and Asia.
I think that Putin would be amenable to the proposition of breaking China, if certain concessions are made in Central Asia.
Though there is risk in allowing too much Russian domination over the region, I think it safe enough because Russia can be more easily ... liberalized. Furthermore, we need to start looking outside our gravity well soon, even if full blown colonization is a couple centuries beyond our time.
>own Canadian dog breed
If they tone down the whole hating gays thing I bet Russia and Canada could be snow-bros.
China wouldn't have been the China today if we had given our support to the Japanese, who were dependent and friendly on the US, and fought with us in World War I, instead of the Chinese, which turned into a Communist state immediately after the war even though political changes like it could be seen in China throughout a significant amount of the century. Instead, we supplied the Chinese, and placed embargoes and sanctions on Japan, and preventing it from buying US oil, forcing it into war to gain the necessary resources in the Philippines and so forth, though it didn't even intend to continue the war for long and had no expectation to win the war had it continued due to lack of resources (~80% of Japanese deaths in the pacific were from starvation and disease. It was more than 90% in the Philippines, and some other places).
I think FDR made the wrong decision and is responsible for the current "threat" we see today.
>lest the bane of communist collectivism run the risk of dominating political discourse over the next epoch.
being grumio is suffering
>Civil discussion of politics
What a pleasant surprise!
I say give Russia a piece of the Chinese pie, along with some other NATO allies. Sure they'll have a large expanse of land, but most it is shit clay, either cold or already polluted.
I say throw them a bone, then move onto being full fledged space program bros with them again. A combined effort between the two most advanced space programs in the world would be a very good move on scientific and military fronts.
I think Russia has too much of a militaristic history their to be considered a safe existence in it.
I see where you're coming from, but the basic philosophical premise of individualism is something that I cannot part with. However much the state must be the guiding force behind building a greater, national community, the basic premise of individualism must be held sacrosanct. To forget the value of the individual is to invite atrocity; this is where Hitler and his National Socialists begot their own failure.
Additionally, I would like to point out that part of the US's problems stem not from individualism, but from corporatism. Corporations, and the individuals who ultimately control them, are given far too much slack and political power. The entire premise behind forming a LLC, for example, is to divest one's self from liability. Meanwhile we have a business culture that can be summed up as "fuck you, I got mine". This is not how to build a healthy society comprised of self-owning individuals.
I think that the nation would benefit from a restructuring of power; we have learned a lot from the experiment started in 1776, and I think it's nearing time we begin a new one.
By world war one Japan had already invaded and violently subjugated Korea. Before the 1900's they had assasinated their Queen. Japan needed a spanking and WWII was as good an excuse as any. And when they kicked the hornet's nest that was Pearl Habour America got off it's apathetic derriere and actually persued equality and justice in place of the abuse and violence the Japanese had unleashed on a foreign population.
Although I don't think you can really say the US was the greatest guy at the time either given the large amount of racial discrimination they encouraged within their own country at the time.
>Leon-chan ended with Castile instead of Asturias-tan
Im still mad about that.
Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.
I know you're American because you misspelt "there" and used horrendous grammar
I agree that China became what it did today because of past errors. The Communist faction should never have been allowed to assume power, and it was a mistake to integrate the PRC into the western economic sphere during the 70s, but regardless of the past mistakes, the current situation must be dealt with.
I don't think Russia needs to be giving any part of China, that would give them unnecessary leverage. Though, if Putin is intent on striking a hard bargain, I guess they could have part of Manchuko.
I'd rather any land concessions made toward Mongolia. I believe that all parties involved would be capable of agreeing to an enlarged buffer state which would be economically beneficial to both sides.
As for the space thing; I think that the Sol System would benefit from a combined colonization/exploitation effort, but that (in the long term) the various states should establish extra-solar colonies separately.
>tfw no historical anime
I know I'm incredibly late, but Rose of Versailles starts a bit before the French Revolution.
>I'd rather any land concessions made toward Mongolia
I'd agree with that.
Honestly, I think Granada/Cordoba-chan should have won there.
Though, it's difficult to predict how this would have affected westward colonization. I'm not entirely sure if the America's would have been better off under Muslim (or maybe Scandinavian/French?) rule instead of Castillian.
Russia's militaristic history has been bungling enough for me to trust them.
Russia has succeeded in spite, rather than because, of itself.
>Russia has succeeded in spite, rather than because, of itself
It's amazing how they bounced back from Afghanistan beyond the Soviet Union dissolving.
>By world war one Japan had already invaded and violently subjugated Korea
It wasn't so simple.
She definitely had it coming.
>And when they kicked the hornet's nest that was Pearl Habour America got off it's apathetic derriere and actually persued equality and justice in place of the abuse and violence the Japanese had unleashed on a foreign population.
I'll elaborate on why I disagree with this point in the following post I'll be making.
>I know you're American because you misspelt "there" and used horrendous grammar
Mistype. I'm not such a fool do make such a mistake and not realize it.
... that's one way to describe it.
I like to keep it positive.
>The firebombing of Tokyo, codenamed Operation Meetinghouse, on March 9–10 killed an estimated 100,000 people and destroyed 16 square miles of the city and 267,000 buildings in a single night.
>The United States strategic bombing of Japan took place between 1942 and 1945. In the last seven months of the campaign, a change to firebombing resulted in great destruction of 67 Japanese cities, as many as 500,000 Japanese deaths and some 5 million more made homeless
>The incidence of rape increased after the closure of the brothels, possibly eight-fold; Dower states that "According to one calculation the number of rapes and assaults on Japanese women amounted to around 40 daily while the R.A.A was in operation, and then rose to an average of 330 a day after it was terminated in early 1946."
>330 a day
>Close to midnight on April 4, an estimated 50 GIs arriving in 3 trucks assaulted the Nakamura Hospital in Omori district. Attacking at the blow of a whistle, over the period of one hour they raped more than 40 patients and an estimated 37 female staff. One of the raped women had a two-day old baby that was killed by being thrown on the floor, and also some male patients who tried to protect the women were killed.
>On April 11, between 30 and 60 US soldiers cut phone lines to a housing block in Nagoya city, and simultaneously raped "many girls and women between the ages of 10 and 55 years."
Nice "equality and "justice" huh.
So, how about that Global Muslim Genocide?
America hates 'em. Russian hates 'em. China hates 'em. Even the fucking Buddhists of Indo-China hate them.
IMO, it's only a matter of time until things get -real- bad.
Eh, it's still better than what the Russians did to every blonde woman they could catch.
>ccording to John Dower, in "many instances ... Japanese who did become prisoners were killed on the spot or en route to prison compounds." According to Professor Aldrich, it was common practice for U.S. troops not to take prisoners. His analysis is supported by British historian Niall Ferguson, who also says that, in 1943, "a secret [U.S.] intelligence report noted that only the promise of ice cream and three days leave would ... induce American troops not to kill surrendering Japanese."
>U.S. historian James J. Weingartner attributes the very low number of Japanese in U.S. prisoner of war compounds to two important factors, namely (1) a Japanese reluctance to surrender, and (2) a widespread American "conviction that the Japanese were 'animals' or 'subhuman' and unworthy of the normal treatment accorded to prisoners of war. The latter reason is supported by Ferguson, who says that "Allied troops often saw the Japanese in the same way that Germans regarded Russians — as Untermenschen" (i.e. "subhuman").
>>tfw no anime about the American Civil War
>talking about a CIVIL war like big deal
I'd rather a WWII adaptation.
>do make such a mistake and not realize it
I feel silly.
>tfw there will never be a show with little girl Athens philosophers.
>no spiral eyes Heraclitus loli constantly wobbling
>no Plato blowing Socrates the fuck out for his Republic and then feeding an upset Socrates hemlock cake accidentally.
>No protracted arguments about Justice and everyone bullying sophists
fucking japan and their shit taste.
>March across the Alps
>Battle of Zama
>Scipio vs Hannibal
Not to mention they actually met in a Syrian court years after their battle, sat down and had tea together to discuss generalship.
This is a Christian imageboard, anon. I hope you meant "Before Christian Era" with that.
What I would give to have one of these, preferably set during either Justinian's, Basil II or Manuel's reign.
Manuel would be best Saber.
Eastern Emperor from 532-565 AD. Born a peasant, married his waifu (a hooker named Theodora) Reembarked on a series of conquest to conquer the rest of the Roman Empire. Loved to spend money.
Pic related. Look at those glorious eyes.
Really nigga, Charles?
Thanks for the plunder, bro.
There were aspects of Japanese rule that definitely brought improvements to the average Korean's quality of life (in the same way that American Rule improved the average Native American's quality of life or British rule improved the average Indian quality of life), but the fact that the Japanese essentially occupied a nation, assassinated an otherwise rather progressive (compared to the empress to her west, the Dowager Cixi in China) ruler (the fact that she preferred the Russians over the Japanese does not really count as "having it coming") and attempted to completely (and at times violently) replace its language and culture with Japanese conventions would probably be construed as an invasion no matter how you look at it.
Based Khosrau. If only his grandson wasn't such a retard.
Or if Maurice had some balls and didn't let himself get killed by that cunt Phocas (who, by the way, is fucking God tier Villain)
>If only his grandson wasn't such a retard.
Khosrau II the Victorious? He pretty much shit-kicked Byzantine Empire for 20+ years before Herculis turned things around, and even then barely.
Guy reigned for nearly 40 years, emulated the feats of both Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great (sans the morality or ethical code) and Persia experienced the high point of its last golden age started from his grandfather.
He was just TOO ambitious. Persia might've even beaten off the Arabs under his rule instead of going through a chain of incompetents, pretenders to the throne, and fools after his assassination at his son's hand.
>China clearly being invaded in 1937
>Japan's clearly got something going for them there!
I don't think that would go very well with the voters, especially with (arguably at least partially exaggerated) stories from Nanking flooding in from Western Observers. Moreover, the US continued supplying the Japanese despite news of Nanking (not the Chinese) well into 1940--before that most aid to China came from the Soviet Union.
>Instead, we supplied the Chinese, and placed embargoes and sanctions on Japan, and preventing it from buying US oil, forcing it into war to gain the necessary resources in the Philippines and so forth
We didn't "force them" to do anything, they could well have, you know, stopped invading China. They chose to fight the United States because they knew that the fight for the pacific would happen one day if Japan wanted to expand, so why not today.
Not really. Persia was, even at the edge of victory, so close to losing the war.
Even if he would he would have taken Constantinople in the 626, siege, the state would have been overextended and fallen to the Caliphate anyway. Khosrau raised taxes through the roof (Bleeding the peasantry dry and highly resentful. Even worse considering nobles were tax exempt), burned through his manpower and to top it off was dealing with revolts in Armenia, Bactria and Parthia. In addition to having to waste his time pacifying the land he just gained (especially in Asia minor), while putting down revolts and rebuilding his treasury and army from scratch.
Honestly, his best bet would have been to focus on India (which was ripe for the taking since the Gupta fell a few decades ago) instead of Rhomania. That would have been much safer and the state would have been stronger, richer, larger (with a much larger population base). Then, he can try to take out the Romans with a far larger army and a much richer state, making the initial push go much better and securing his chance of victory without destroying his empire at the same time.
>They chose to fight the United States because they knew that the fight for the pacific would happen one day if Japan wanted to expand, so why not today.
Because they didn't have the resources do it.
>Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.” The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.
>An Untenable Position
Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”
The Japanese were ready to pull out at any moment from the places they conquered.
That said, I would absolutely LOVE to watch a historically accurate anime set during the final Byzantine-Sassanid war. But it will never happen because Japan cannot into good history.
>But it will never happen because Japan cannot into good history.
Maybe they just don't care about a shitty nation with tons of shitty rulers and innovation and would rather talk about important things in their own history and have a relation to them instead of pandering to a foreign audience who doesn't pay anything for its shows.
>shitty rulers and innovation
shitty rulers and no innovation*
>stories from Nanking flooding in from Western Observers
Hate to be this individual but you should consider these videos, albeit they're not the most professional pieces of work, they make some good points, especially concerning this.
>Not having a relation to everything in the world
Besides don't the Japanese like foreign exotic stuff?
but the embargo was because they were already at war in manchuria. all they had to do was go back to their islands like good goys and they could start trading again, but "muh empire."
I'm just saying that it shouldn't be unexpected when your Japanese childrens'/nerds' shows don't talk about ancient empires, albeit it would it be interesting if they did.
So the United States is to blame for starting a war in trying to disarm (whether for good reason or not) a nation that had, as the article says, "built a military-industrial complex" geared towards the conquest of its surrounding nations? They had the resources to pull their soldiers out of China (like everybody in the League of Nations was calling for them to do) and return to the lands they had already conquered, but they chose to fight a war they didn't have the resources to win in the long run, and somehow the United States is to blame. You're basically saying that a man who tried to stop an armed robbery "forced" the robber to attack him instead of pursuing the reasonable option of avoiding a confrontation.
>The Japanese were ready to pull out at any moment from the places they conquered.
I'm not even sure where you pulled this from. The Japanese had no intention of pulling out of anything, as they demonstrated in the four years between the start of the war and Pearl Harbor, or their continued attempts to negotiate the retention of Manchuko and Korea later in the war. Even if they were right, why didn't they? They continued to pour resources into China even during the rest of the war, so they certainly had the resources to pull out.
I know anon. But I can dream.
>Shiro Azuma (東 史郎 Azuma Shirō?, April 27, 1912 — January 3, 2006) was a Japanese soldier who openly admitted his participation in Japanese war crimes against the Chinese during the Second World War. He was one of the few former soldiers of the Empire of Japan to admit to his participation in the 1937 Nanking Massacre.
>Among the most candid witnesses was Ishii Itaro, the East Asia Bureau chief of the Foreign Ministry. He testified that he was briefed about the rape, arson, looting, and murders from Foreign Ministry offices in Nanjing and Shanghai. In his autobiography, Ishii wrote that he and Foreign Minister Hirota Koki had warned the Army many times to take action.
>The entry for the same day in (General Iwane) Matsui's diary read, "I could only feel sadness and responsibility today, which has been overwhelmingly piercing my heart. This is caused by the Army's misbehaviors after the fall of Nanking and failure to proceed with the autonomous government and other political plans."
>By John Rabe, Nazi Party member: Two Japanese soldiers have climbed over the garden wall and are about to break into our house. When I appear they give the excuse that they saw two Chinese soldiers climb over the wall. When I show them my party badge, they return the same way. In one of the houses in the narrow street behind my garden wall, a woman was raped, and then wounded in the neck with a bayonet. I managed to get an ambulance so we can take her to Kulou Hospital... Last night up to 1,000 women and girls are said to have been raped, about 100 girls at Ginling Girls' College alone. You hear nothing but rape. If husbands or brothers intervene, they're shot. What you hear and see on all sides is the brutality and bestiality of the Japanese soldiers.
Among many others. I have no doubt that 300,000 dead Chinese is a vast exaggeration, nor do I doubt that there was some complicity by chinese renegades, but irregardless, the fact is that the massacre occurred.
Like is mentioned in this video at many different points by many different Japanese, they wanted, like European powers, to be seen as a first class nation and to not be belittled by westerners on the political realm, and otherwise, which things like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924 represent they were.
I can't remember the exact quote, but a Japanese once commented that 'Just as soon as we learn how to play (game), they change the game to poker'. The foreign powers acted all in awe and in shock at what Japan was doing it in China, but it was no different from what the Westerners had been trying to do all across Asia for hundreds of years and were continuing to do. They wanted to be apart of that, and to bring the East to an equal standing with the West. That concept is echoed in many different philosophers/people existing in Japan at the time.
Like this man, who went to his death bed (executed for supposed war crimes people under him committed in the tokyo trials) following that philosophy. He commented "I lived too long anyway".
How are they not Classical Antiquity? Just because they stayed in their country at that time doesn't mean they didn't exist.
Nanking happened, but to take the statistics from the 'observations' of Chian-Kai Shek while at war with these individuals is probably not a very reliable source. It happened, but to what degree is so unclear that I think people should drop it like we do all other warcrimes for all other nations and stop supporting a double standard when Japan's actions in World War II are mentioned.
Regardless of Japan's aspirations, however noble they were, they pursued their goals in a heavyhanded fashion that included the invasion of a sovereign country the attempt to completely replace the Korean language with Japanese, the mistreatment of prisoners (both Chinese and later Western) in spite of Japan's status as a signatory in the Hague convention, and the complete mishandling of the occupation of China are all very legitimate reasons as to why a nation that insisted on the "open-door policy" in china in the first place and (unlike the European nations) has never held a concession in China such as the United States would insist on an oil embargo in an effort to rein in the Japanese military-industrial complex.
I can agree to that. I don't pretend to have an exact figure, and I'm sure the Chinese estimates are inflated. However, I do believe the death toll is somewhere between at least 50,000 and at most 200,000, including Chinese prisoners of war/combatants, trending towards the greater bound.
Because modern historians have set how eras are defined at what times and when. When Rome/Western Roman Empire fell, that was the end of Antiquity in Western Europe.
When the Sassanid dynasty was destroyed in 651 CE, that was the end of it in the Near East and rest of the world. When Byzantine Empire was defeated and Constantinople taken, that was the end of the Middle Ages.
The tides didn't turn against Khosrau II until AFTER 622 when Hercaulis became Emperor and launched his expedition in the following spring of his coronation.
The Persians had already occupied Jerusalem, taken and held most of the Byzantines most important agricultural and foodstuff producing provinces like Egypt and Antioch for more then a decade.
Including looting and making off with the Holy Cross itself, a massive symbolic blow to Christianity. The peasants and knightly classes making up the ranks of Cataphracts were dedicated to Khosaru Parviz because he WON every battle and engagement up till the final turning point.
In fact Hercualis was so despondent after his initial setbacks and the massive horde with Persian aid trying to siege Constantinople that he was prepared to fully abdicate and flee to the West.
The Indian nation-states were providing the Sassanids with money and tributes. It was only AFTER Khosaru II's army was defeated outside Dastargard and Ctesiphon left to submit; even if both the Byzantines and Persians knew it just returned to the status quo prior to the war, that set in the decay of the Sassanid Empire's economy.
Biggest issue was the Magi and their free reign in everything including tax exemption, persecution of different sects of Zoroastrian cults that didn't conform to them along with abuse to other religious minorities and lower-classes that had the Great King ruined.
Aww shit, I'm late to /a/'s monthly history thread, aren't I?
>VII.9 (Eumachia Building, via della Abbondanza); 2048: Secundus likes to screw boys.
The Germans never pretend to forget the Holocaust. We in America are taught in high school about the Trail of Tears, or how we deliberately infected natives with smallpox blankets. The French are taught about the guillotines of Robespierre and the Reign of Terror, the British their complicity in the Irish Potato Famine. The Russians remember their Gulags, the Chinese remember the tyranny of Shi Huangdi and the famines of the Cultural Revolution, the Christians recall their Crusades.
So tell me why should the world drop the topic of Nanking for Japan, when nobody else has dropped their crimes?
This goes for Turkey too with the Armenians
We've had three today.
Yes you shit.
No need to make a gaudy entrance.
if they wanted to be respected they probably should have picked someone other than hitler to imitate
>tons of shitty rulers
>Cyrus the Great
>Darius the Great
>Xerxes the Great
>Shapur the Great
>Shapur II the Great
>Khosrau I the Just
>Khosaru II the Victorious
Hell, the wars of Persia and Rome/Byzantine rocked the known for over seven fucking centuries and the final outcome of the last war would dramatically effect the world after it.
They do, the author and creator of Legends of the Galactic Heroes is a massive ancient Persia/Iranian culture fanboy. He created the Heroic Legend of Arslan which is pretty much about Not-Persians fighting Not-Christian-Crusder-Romans and other barbarians while the MC tries to get his throne back.
The final episode in the OVA series starts off with Persian chanting. There are those in Japan that like foreign cultures.
Everyone wanted to imitate Hitler in those days. Hell, even Chiang Kai Shek wanted to.
Their diplomat pretty much stated that Manchuria was vital to their state and pulling out was absolutely out of the question. I seriously don't know where that other dude is getting that idea.
The Marble Emperor will walk the Earth again and rebuild the Roman Empire to its glory.
Constantinople was such a poor shadow of its former self by then though. Far better for kebab to reinvigorate into a great city for a couple more centuries before they too declined.
Did you forget that nearly everything that you use to eat, shit, sleep, and use the internet comes from the "failed experiment of western individualism"? Ok, sure, there were 3% Asians participating. And most of those were Japanese anyway.
Best to eliminate the Chinese government and let the next generation of Chinese kill each other.
>So tell me why should the world drop the topic of Nanking for Japan, when nobody else has dropped their crimes?
They don't have to drop it, but they have to learn to look past it. People supporting things like the Tohoku earthquake because of muh pearl harbor and muh nanking need to learn to look past it. The only reason I care to debate it is because everybody is either too goddman racist or critical to let it go so one is forced into denying or providing explanations for these things because admitting them means you have to disgrace yourself and call yourself a monster. It's like calling an ugly person ugly for twenty consecutive years. Eventually that person is going to get so fed up with the claim that they're going to try to keep you from making it. This is the kind of relationship forced on Japan by its condemning neighbors.
I was talking about the Byzantine empire.
Sorry I was following the entire discussion and made a conversation mistake.
Don't understand how /a/ of all places could be anti-Japanese when there are just so many countries to hate.
>Greco-Romans had the Turks
>Persians had the Arabs
Fucking hordes of Muslims man.
If only these two super powers didn't punch each other out of their prime in their bid for ascendency Islam would never been able to rear its head out of Arabia.
Holy shit somebody made a version of this without cowtits? Did they fix all of the other ones too?
Not anti-Japanese, just a reaction to someone calling the Romans, Byzantines, and Persians "shitty nations" ruled by "shitty leaders".
Tolerance is a two-way street but it's rather unreasonable for the victims to look past it in light of the past-aggressor's actions, which despite formal "apology" is severely underminded by the actions of certain key groups. Even if the average Japanese person disapproves of the aggression of militarist rule of the 30s and 40s, it's undeniable that on the whole, they have a rather apathetic view which allows politicians to get away with espousing right-wing views.
Japanese pop-culture is mostly shitty and childish. And they kill dolphins. It's easy to hate them.
Would've been better to fade into the pages of history than to be subsumed into the kebab collective and serve as a springboard for centuries of overrun Balkans.
It's okay, Anon. The Marble Emperor still lurks in the shadows of the world, preserved by God until the darkest days when he will once again walk the soils of the Earth in flesh and reclaim the Empire from the Musselmen. Believe in Constantine XI Palaiologos.
Well here we have the problem, that individual Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are never going to be willing to drop it. There's always going to be some chink mad about it, a nip who wants to pretend it never happened or a gook who is convinced (correctly or not) that his mom was forced to be a comfort woman, and as soon as somebody brings that up this whole load of crap gets brought up again by everyone.
My recommendation? Suck it up. We suck it up when the native americans get mad. The Germans suck it up when the Jews remind them of muh Shoah. The Brits suck it up when the Indians get mad. It's here to stay, unfortunately, the most you can do is try to diffuse the argument as soon as possible.
Just like Rome and Persia in their primes prevented Christianity from rearing its head out of Caesarea/Judea, right? Islam would have spread anyway, it just might not have been quite as Arab.
There are at least three history threads up.
>Japanese pop-culture is mostly shitty and childish.
Well that's just like, your opinion. It's a common thing in countries that have limits on production quality. Otherwise no, it's not.
> And they kill dolphins
The dolphins'll make it.
The balkans already had a long history of being overrun, so what does it matter?
Christianity spread because monotheism tends to dominate polytheism in religious conflict. Islam wouldn't have spread to Christian areas without force of arms.
God I love being a turkish kebab in history threads.
>half hun, half hungarian.
>Still a turk
>Enjoy your life in a plundered jewel of a city.
I'm sippin ice tea in Istanbul fellas.
>byzaboos will never stop being a thing
out of all the empires that deserved to fall due to their own idiocy, byzantines easily hold the #1 spot
Nah, it's a country of manchildren. Especially nowadays. Even most of their films feel like anime.
And they are sexist, retarded and perverted. Hardly a civilized country. What with all this groping? Or rampant sexual harassment?
But what about Northern Africa, where islam was largely spread by Traders? Or the Golden Horde, who acquired the religion of those they conquered by force of arms? This statement seems really suspect.
>But what about Northern Africa, where islam was largely spread by Traders?
What? North Africa was conquered by armies of Islam. Everything up to France was.
Christianity and its ascendency had to due with Rome, not Persia. Unless you want to make the connection since the Achaemenid times because of Cyrus, Darius, and Xerxes being extremely tolerant and kind to the Jewish people and their faith is the reason for the advent of the religion of Christ.
Fun fact: Khosrau II's wife Shirin was a Christian noblewoman from the Byzantine Empire. She used her influence to constantly appeal to her husband about the merits of Christanity.
Which is why her son Mardanshah was born and baptized as a Christian and was due to her loving affair with the Persian Emperor, his favorite son to ascend the throne instead of Kadveh.
Persia was very close to become a Christian or at least Nestorian branch of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. However the rivalry of Persia and Byzantine and the mistreatment of Christians by Sassanids because of Zoroastrians and Jews and vice versa by Byzantines to them made that politically impossible.
>Or the Golden Horde, who acquired the religion of those they conquered by force of arms?
Before they accepted Islam, Mongols were polytheists. With the exception of those Ilkhanate fags, who flirted with Christianity for a while.
Are you perhaps Asian but not Japanese? What about all of South America, Africa, and South Europe? Isn't there enough out there to quench your thirst for things to not favor? You can't even give any gratitude to the country whose media you drink down like water and who is the whole reason you have 4chan?
Gratitude goes a long way.
Byzantine history is exciting as hell though. There are few empires/kingdoms that went through such a sordid history with extreme threats on all fronts, so many civil wars, and huge religious controversies while lasting almost a millenium. A lot of empires have a simple rise and fall, but the byzzies sure went on a roller coaster ride.
I meant Sudan and the area north of the Sahara in general (senegal and west africa included), not "North Africa" as in the Maghreb.
North Africa was largely populated by splinter-tribes of Visgoths, Greco-Romans, Hellenes, and even Iranians until Islam's rise.
Once the Persian Empire was destroyed and the Byzantines forced to mostly the Balkans and Antolia/Asia Minor and its islands, the Arabs slaughtered and routed all these colonists sans their Berber cousins.
North Africa was by force of arms, slaughter, and conquest; not by "trade".
As a kebab I can comfirm that despite all the religious doctrines dictating belief must not be forced upon, we did fucking enforce it to a crazy degree.
I mean, our most fearsome military troops, the janissaries, are made of children taken from the lands conquered, raised as muslims, trained very harshly and sent to wars.
Byzantium was a direct continuation of the most influential empire in world history. It doesn't even need to be called a continuation, it WAS the Roman Empire.
There were far more deserving empires that collapsed. The Russians, Austrians, Germans, French, and Caliphate all come to mind.
>What about all of South America, Africa, and South Europe?
I thought we are talking about civilized countries.
>You can't even give any gratitude to the country whose media you drink down like water and who is the whole reason you have 4chan?
>whose media you drink down like water
>the whole reason you have 4chan
Anime basis is the worst part of 4chan.
>I meant Sudan and the area north of the Sahara in general
Arabs tried to conquer territories south of Egypt, failed, made a non-aggression pact (Baqt), they had peace for like 700 years, and then other, new Muslim factions fought wars again and conquered a lot of that teritory.
>Anime basis is the worst part of 4chan.
4chan wouldn't exist without Japan. I'm not referring to anime. I don't even watch anime.
The Caliphate's expansion across North Africa was force of arms. The peaceful trading into Sub-Sahara barely converted any of the tribes there.
Mongols were polytheists originally before the conversion. Once religion comes in contact with foreign faiths, monotheism tends to always dominate polytheism. The same happened there, regardless of who did the conquering.
Christianity had spread to persia and beyond as far as India long before its adoption as the state religion of Rome, though, so its spread was independent of the Empire for a few centuries.
Nubia and Sennar have never been in military conflict with the Arabs and yet converted via constant trade with Egypt and the Arabian penninsula before the Fur came to spread the religion by force of arms.
Byzantines stopped being Roman somewhere between Heraclius making Greek the official language, Leo III the Isaurian purging Byzantine legal system of Roman heritage, and Arab invasions that led to the empire losing pretty much everything in the east except Anatolia. By the middle of the 8th century, Byzantines were effectively a Greek empire in all but name only.
>There were far more deserving empires that collapsed. The Russians, Austrians, Germans, French, and Caliphate all come to mind.
How many of these empires were so unstable that there was practically not a single decade within its thousand year reign that it did not have at least one civil war?
If there is one thing Greeks are incompetent at, it is state administration.
Rome, Byzantine, First Iranian Empire; Medes & Achaemenids dynasties, Second Iranian Empire; Arscaids & Sassanids are amongst the greatest in terms of longevity, influence, culture, and power.
Byzantines despite their adoption and assimilation as Greeks always identified themselves as Romans first though.
Familiarity breeds contempt.
All countries and cultures change though. America now is completely different for both the everyday man and the political leaders than those of the America in the 19th century. One's adult self is likely also radically different from his childhood or teenage years. That shouldn't mean we need to go around re-naming things at every step along the way.
Completely different culture doesn't make it any less civilized. They aren't poor and sick like so many third world countries. Sure it might amaze you how they do so well but to doubt them for such differences is petty.
>Byzantines despite their adoption and assimilation as Greeks always identified themselves as Romans first though.
Not exactly correct. While they never abandoned the pretensions of being the Rome, by the time Palaiologoi dynasty ran the show, they started to identify as virtually exclusively Greek and there were even suggestions to rename the imperial title into the Emperor of the Hellenes.
United Kingdom and United States are a good comparison here. United States was formed by British colonists and was a part of the British Empire. Using the same logic applied to the Byzantines, shouldn't we also called Americans British, too?
That's why it's called a direct "continuation," as you presumably posted before. Continuation doesn't imply a lack of change. I don't know why so many romaboos have a problem with calling Byzantium this.
Don't forget, he also surrendered against the French.
Imagine how good an episode about Publius Clodius Pulcher sneaking into the rites of Bona Dea would be.
Not a single source has them define themselves as anything other than romans.
ITT: we have strong opinions on countries we've never been to based on events that happened before we were born
Except the americans don't call themselves english, the eastern roman empire still considered themselves romans.
Not only that but they had quarrels with the west for hundreds of years to retain the title of roman empire and never acknowledged the Roman empire of Charle Magne.
>Emperor of the Hellenes
I think you're mistaking the fact that neither the Byzantine Emperor or Holy Roman Emperor would acknowledge the other as an emperor in their exchanges. The HRE called the Byzantine leader the "King of Greeks" and the Byzantines called the HRE "King of Germans".
Pagans had the best parties.
/a/ - Geopolitics & History
Blame Moot for stating he'll never add a /his/tory board.
>WW3 needs to happen soon.
I assume you'll be fighting on the front lines since you're so enthusiastic about it?
Or an episode about him fucking his sister. Clodius was alpha as fuck.
China vs US.
China would stop sending shitty products to Wal-mart. America's economy would collapse. America would abjectly surrender in a week.
I'm just pointing out it's silly.
You can already see the decline is Chinese made products with relations going down the tubes. Consumer goods have been marginally raising in price and more goods are being made in South Pacific Asian countries.
US has backup plans. China doesn't. China needs the US to throw money at it because it sits on a volatile population core it can't fully control.
It's what a lot of historians do.
>Not a single source has them define themselves as anything other than romans.
Why do you insist on discussing history when your knowledge of it is at such a low level? You can easily spend ten minutes googling instead of posting stuff like this.
I was talking about inner Byzantine dealings, not their pissing matches with another empire.