Homu did nothing wrong.
Nobody said that she did anything wrong.
I'm saying that this garbage is SHIT, "bad ends," pussy-rubbing, SHAFT-quality animution, and shounen-hating.
Exactly. The ends justify the means. Homura did nothing wrong at the end of the day.
I haven't watched any of the movies of madoka, I kind of know what happened on the series though. What did homura do? they are basically throwing rocks at her.
Homura did absolutely everything wrong.
Homu a dark princess.
...is that Gin's outfit?
Buyfags are so creative.
I hated the 3rd movie for that in the beginning...
Nothing, but perhaps one thing, existing.
>I'm saying that this garbage is SHIT, "bad ends," pussy-rubbing, SHAFT-quality animution, and shounen-hating.
What the fuck does that even mean? Are you just making up new buzzwords on the spot?
Homura is a good girl who deserves eternal salvation.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
She wants the Homu.
She got drunk and didn't want to go home.
are homurafags seriously this desperate
Can't wait to see Homu backstab Madoka in the BD release.
*Backstab Madoka's wishes.
Nice word choice, too bad that literally never happened.
Don't read to much doujin, boy. It ruin your image of masterpiece canon
I wanna see Coobie get AI YO'd again.
It's "Kyubey", you little shit.
And you just wait, the Incubators will eventually get a chance for revenge and beat the crap out of everyone, maybe even forcing Madoka and Homura to work together to defeat them.
Also, best girl
Actually, I think they will be the keyplot for the next movie/season: they will awake Sayaka/Madoka´s memories with the purpose of being free from Homura´s fist
Nah, keep dreaming. The Incubators are Homus bitches now.
This is the keyplot of next season.
Can't wait for this Bitch's suffering and cry for a dick.
Well, yes, they first must be free from Homura's control. I don't know if they would be even able to do that as they are right now. But, whether is by their direct intervention or not, after that happens...
We shall see how long it last, buddy.
every thread until you accept it
Would they dare to rebel?
Though I agree that the Incubators are one of the most likely catalysts for the others regaining their memories. The others are Sayaka just remembering out of nowhere, Homura having a guilt breakdown and letting her suppression wane, and (my personal favorite) Nagisa never having had her memories suppressed because Homura never bothered and Nagisa never felt like telling anyone.
See? This guy gets it.
It´s not like she keep them in a cage. Maybe in a chance they contact Madoka. Or even better, The Law of Cycles (part of Madoka) will enter in action.
Denial isn't the way to go.
So, the Homufags trying to overlook her mistakes and insisting that everything she did was perfect isn't denial?
Actually, yeah, it is. I misrepresented that post.
The ends justify the means here. Homura had no choice.
Well, it's alright. That BB face can be a little deceiving.
Final movie is the continuation of the series, Homura in the end was put into a situation where she was able to forcefully save Madoka and free her from being a goddess so she could live a normal life once more after coming to believe that Madoka was unhappy about not being there for her friends or family. So now Homura has taken over the kami position, taken some of Madoka's memories so she doesn't realize what has happened and can't worry about it, and rewritten the world so Sayaka and the others are alive again. However this still comes at the cost of basically betraying her best friend in some sense of the word.
Although with everything that happened to her in the movie to reach this path and the series itself she's notably a bit more insane these days, and perhaps even more so when she's nearly omnipotent. However she has made QB into her personal whipping boy to throw around.
In the end it's a duality of selfishness and selflessness, Homura states plainly that she'll go against the world itself for Madoka, and did.
She had no other choice but to fuck up existence itself and reforming it at her whim in order to protect the one she loves.
Being the one she loves, in essence, a god who "went down" only to save her in the first place and it's not even certain if she was in actual danger all along.
Homura does everything wrong, can't wait for the LN.
I am sorry but WHEN it was stated or hinted that Madoka was unhappy about her choice for Homura to do this?
Homura believed Madoka wasn't entirely happy with it after talking to her in the field of flowers where she was like "I don't want to leave you guys, I have family and friends, of course I'd never disappear like that". Madoka didn't have her memories at the time, but it was enough proof for Homura.
But still, that was Madoka's choice, she knew what she was getting into and accepted this fate, it is Homura who doesn't accept it.
So she doesn't even really care about Madoka's happiness UNLESS it involves her, if she is not in the equation, she can't accept it.
Pretty much this. The most horrible thing you can do to a person is treat them as an object and take their autonomy out of the question.
I can't wait for Sayaka to punch Homura right in her crazy, nerdy, lesbian, stalker face and bring balance to the world
She couldn't have been too happy about it. At the end of the series, Madoka sees the sacrifice Homura made for her, and realizes that she has to make her own sacrifice to save her friend.
Madoka doesn't like to see Homura alone and in pain any more than Homura likes to see Madoka suffer. The series will end when the two of them find a way to share their burden.
>But still, that was Madoka's choice,
So? You must impose your will on people if you think you know better than them.
>So she doesn't even really care about Madoka's happiness UNLESS it involves her,
Not necessarily. Homura feels the need to protect Madoka. In her eyes, Madoka isn't safe being a god, she needs to be under her watchful eye.
No matter how much I hate Homura, Sayaka is still a shit.
Why do you hate Homura?
Ignoring someone's will AND treating them like a child?
Oh Homu, how far you've fallen in the name of love.
Sayaka has learned from her mistakes and has become a best.
But I am glad you agree that Homura is terrible.
This isn't a fall, it's an ascension. There's leaders and there's those who are lead. Homura is the former, Madoka the latter.
>object and take their autonomy out of the question.
That's pretty harsh. Homura is just in pain and confused. It's a case of, if you don't love yourself you can't love someone else.
Homura's heart is in the right place, but she blames herself for everything. Madoka will straighten her out, and then the healing will begin.
So what you're basically saying is that Homura is That opressive figure who thinks she knows what is good for you and doesn't care about your choices in the slightest because SHE thinks she knows what's best for you...which happens to be stay by my side forever.
I am sorry but no, that doesn't make Homura any better than abusive asshole.
I guess you don't like any of the megucas then.
Care to elaborate more on that point please?
Because I don't really get it how you got from Russia to Panama.
Just take a look at the present discussion. For me, is hard not to.
At least she surpassed Homura and Madoka in bestness. But she isn't a best, never a best.
According to you, anyone who imposes there will on someone else because they think they know best is an abusive asshole. Every single one of the megucas (except Nagisa but she hasn't done anything) has done this, so to you, they're all abusive assholes. Granted, your logic is flawed because doing what you think is best, even if it disrespects someone's will doesn't always make you an abuser. But there you go.
>surpassed Homura and Madoka in bestness.
Look at him, look at him and laugh.
Well, it's only natural that the worst two girls felt attracted to one another, right?
>worst two girls felt attracted to one another
Sayaka confirmed for narcissus?
Mistake for bringing Madoka' back to life or giving everyone a happy life or making world a better place?
Yeah sure, she is a evil because she do those mistake.
And retard people will delude themself that Homura ruin law of cycle, trying to destroy a world or keeping Madoka for helself.
But no, Homura giving Madoka another chance to live freely without holding any responsibility that was forced to her because of the situation. There's no detail about what she will do about the world or Law of cycle but it's obviously that she will try to keep entropy in check that's why she keep Kyubey alive. She probably govern law of cycle in place of Madoka since she state that law of cycle still active.
People who delude themself that Homura is bad because she dress like a devil or too clever for them to understand the good thing she had done will gonna shitpost without the reason and try to denial these fact.
When did the other Megucas imposed their will on someone else?
Maybe Oriko wanting to kill Madoka to save everyone is the only thing that comes to my mind.
Please enlight me, I really want to see how the fuck can people still love Homura after all that.
And I say Homura is an abusive asshole because let's face it...she doesn't REALLY love Madoka, she is Obsessed with her, which is VERY different. she has never cared about Madoka's happiness or decisions, and she has done this since day one when she defied her friend's sacrifice by becoming a magical girl to save her.
To me I always saw the Anime as Homura's path to accept the inevitable fact that Madoka HAD to go, no matter what she had to go and she had to learn to let her go.
And at the end I thought she accepted this...but SHAFT said "Nope" and we got Fucked.
By tearing apart Madokami Homura ruined Law of Cycles. Its idea was to bring salvation(perhaps afterlife) to magical girls and Madoka personally was doing it.
I like Homura but she actually did terrible thing.
As far as we know LoC still is going on
Taking memories of Madoka being human from LoC doesn't necessarily mean it can't give salvation anymore. I'm sure it has enogh Madoka left in it.
SO this means that to some extent...there is ANOTHER Madoka still part of the LoC?
I like you.
>you will never mindbreak Homura
>you will never make her forget about Madoka
>you will never make her lust for only your cock
I hate everything.
Life is not just about happiness. You can't just manipulate the nature of the universe at your whim and expect things to go smoothly. At the long term, forcing a subjectively "perfect" world is gonna end up backfiring. We will just have to wait and see.
And Madoka didn't have her memories back then. What she said on the field isn't necesarily what she truly wished.
As far as I think we can tell, all Homura did was take the memories, the raw "data", of Kaname Madoka out of Madokami/LoC, and splice it back into the universe.
Okay, first off, stop typing like you're from fucking tumblr. I know you probably are, but at least try to hide it.
>When did the other Megucas imposed their will on someone else?
Time for that rewatch, anon. Madoka garbed Sayaka's Soul Gem and tossed it over a bridge because she didn't think that being a Magical Girl was good for Sayaka. She did something against Sayaka's will to protect her. Mami killed Kyoko, and attempted to kill Homura and Madoka upon learning the truth because she didn't want them to turn into witches. Again, imposing her will on someone else to get a result she thinks is best. Also, Madoka then killed Mami to save herself and Homura. To Madoka, Mami should die because Mami is crazy. As per usual, imposing will on someone. Kyoko's entire wish was based around this idea. Perhaps on an even greater scale. She forced so many people to listen to her dads teachings. She, imposed her will on all of those people who formally didn't care what her dad had to say. Because Kyoko thought her dads words were brilliant and that everyone should listen to them even if they don't want to.
Actually, Sayaka may be the only one who hasn't done this. I guess you can say she imposed her will on the men on the train, but there's no guarantee she killed them. Anyway, the point is that everyone imposes there will on other people. Parents do it, authoritative figures do it, friends do it to each other. That in itself isn't really a bad thing in my opinion. It just comes down to the reason you do it. No, the megucas aren't abusive asshole as you call them. They're just trying to help, but to help, they sometimes have to hurt people.
Homu a best girl
10/10 would AI YO for
Ayo means "yes" in my language and hearing this shit is hilarious.
That's appropriate. How could you say no to this?
>SO this means that to some extent...there is ANOTHER Madoka still part of the LoC?
I think so. We saw Madoka being split into two beings, after all.
Pfff I am not but alright I guess.
Fair enough, you do bring some valid points, maybe I am taking a different aproach here.
Abusive asshole probably wasn't the correct term to call Homura.
So what is the benefit here from Homura's action then? What was that end that justified those means she took?
Madoka will eventually snap out of it and will end up as an enemy to Homura and so will everyone else, hell I am susprised she lets Kyubey around, the bastard managed to fuck Madokami, what is to say he won't do the same to Homura? The Incubators most dangerous weapon is their mind, keeping him on a leash won't be enough...I just don't see what Homura gains with this?
There's nothing to laugh about. It is true, but it isn't really saying much.
HOMU NOT A PERVERT
NOT EVEN A PERVERT LADY
>Madokami personally brings salvation
>Sayaka and Bebe was taken back from afterlife.
Use your ducking logic. Maybe LoC is still functional somehow but it is badly damaged for sure. And don't say that Homura personally brought Sayaka back.
And sometimes, they make mistakes.
I don't call them "abusive assholes" or anything. In every case there was a good and noble intention behind it, but that doesn't mean that any of those acts were right. Neither is Homura, imposing her will to the universe itself.
>I just don't see what Homura gains with this?
>Homu sits in the back of the classroom fantasizing about touching Madoka in her naughty places
Then you'd have to say the same thing about Madokami changing the universe.
>implying Homura didn't bring Sayaka back on purpose
are there people who actually take this pairing seriously at all
It was the result of broken LoC.
In a way, yes.
Madoka's safety and happiness is what Homura is seemingly after. While at the same time, she's trying to keep LoC active. The Incubators aren't really an issue because they don't even want to deal with humans anymore. At the end of Rebellion they attempted to flee but Homura grabed Qb and started poking his cute little face. The only reason they're still on Earth is because Homura wants them there.
When Madoka finds out, she probably won't be pleased and she'll go back to being god. Homura knows this, and they will end up being enemies. But it's okay because apparently, so long as Madoka can live a happy life as a normal girl, Homura is sated.
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, Homura.
You sure that's it?
Only Mami-san can save us from the Homus.
It made Homura hotter though.
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that's exactly the opposite of what it is
You don't like her new look?
It's HomuSaya time already?
She was hot already, now she just has a lewder dress.
>PMMM is the story of a girl's transformation from moe moe~kyunn to sexy goddess.
Poor Homura, she didn´t read the manual
my 6° favorite meguka
Indeed. Don't forget to take off your name, faggot.
It's either her or Hitomi. I don't know how it makes her any less inferior based on that point of view, though.
If Homura left Madoka alone to live her life as she wishes, like move to another country or something and let Madoka live her life without her being around then I can buy the statement that she wants nothing but Madoka living a normal life...but she's there entering hardcore on her life...which what she really wanted ALL THIS TIME...so as long as that happens, I cannot buy that Homura gives a shit about Madoka's happiness.
Homura ONLY cares about Madoka's happiness as long as she is around, she CAN'T accept other scenario.
If she really did care about Madoka, respected her decisions and wanted her to be happy...she wouldn't have become a magical girl in the first place.
Do you even θ, faggot?
>Homura ONLY cares about Madoka's happiness as long as she is around, she CAN'T accept other scenario.
>about to kill herself to save Madoka moments before
who nagisa here?
Wow way to point out all the times all the magi were wrong faggot.
>Madoka tossed Sayaka's soul gem
obviously that was wrong, it nearly killed Sayaka and all it accomplished was showing the girls the bad truth that they're liches.
>Mami killed Kyoko
Also wrong, hence why Madoka killed Mami
>Madoka killed Mami
Self-defense and the defense of Homura
She turned against it and honestly that was for the best; not saying it was good that her father killed their family and himself but he shouldn't of had such unnatural power over people in the first place
All the times they imposed their will its been wrong. Except for Madoka who did it in self-defense or for a more noble purpose that was objectively good. (ep. 12 wish)
Anon, to protect someone, typically, you need to be near them. There's no doubt Homura also wants to befriend Madoka if she can, but it's not her main objective.
>If she really did care about Madoka, respected her decisions and wanted her to be happy...she wouldn't have become a magical girl in the first place.
She became a Magical Girl to protect Madoka. That was literally her wish. If she didn't care about her, why would she make a wish like that? Fuck, everything she's done is out of love and admiration for Madoka.
Exactly how do you compare sacrificing yourself for all magical girls and risking the entire universe as equal?
Homura may have sacrificed her own salvation, but she also put the entire Wraith system that Madokami created in jeopardy just so she could make her wish come true. There is the proof that their wishes aren't equal at all, Madoka's was far more noble.
Nagisa a friend.
To me, the means justify the ends for all of those instances. I have nothing against any of the megucas.
hahahaha you silly goose
But Hitomi isn't a meguca yet
Both of you. how many magical girls are there (as relevant/important character)? Do you know about rankings?
remember when homura totally beefed it?
Homu is just willing to risk more to get what she wants, and she produced a better result that improved on Madokami's universe.
>still believes this
>Homura ONLY cares about Madoka's happiness as long as she is around,
Homura is obsessed with the original Madoka, the cute pink haired Nurse's aid that called her Homura-chan, and told her to be cool. Homura will do anything to get that Specific Madoka back, and ensure that Madoka continues on forever.
Homura's tragedy is that you can't go back to the past, not all the magic and karmic juju in the universe can bring that Madoka back.
Homura's final gambit was to literally change the laws of the universe to ensure Madoka never changes, and we'll see how that works out for her.
>but she also put the entire Wraith system that Madokami created in jeopardy just so she could make her wish come true.
In which way did she risk this? And she was willing to die for it just before that.
Also Oriko, Kirika, Yuma, etc. I was thinking about just the
I have no idea.
Holy shit all this bull. There's no indication that Homura prefers one Madoka over the other.
>willing to risk more to get what she wants
That makes the balance between the goodness of their actions favor greatly for Madoka. The only person Madoka sacrificed was herself and produced hope that spanned from the dawn of Mankind. Homura was willing to risk the happiness of all those magical girls that Madoka used her humanity to save as a goddess solely for Madoka's sake.
This is why I'm adamant against people who claim Homura and Madoka's actions are exactly the same, because they aren't.
Answer this, how could bowmura possible know Madokami and her system well enough to confirm that if she succeeded in tearing human Madoka out that the whole LoC wouldn't collapse upon itself? She couldn't possible know, she took a gamble risking every magical girl in Madoka's heaven as well as the wraith system itself.
Homura is responsible for:
>betraying Madoka, her hope, and her love
>enslaving all life in the universe
>tormenting her friends who not moments before risked their lives to save her
>jeopardizing the stability of the world
>destroying Madoka's afterlife
>brainwashing Madoka to keep her in a cage
She is a demon that must be stopped at any cost.
>there was no a single magical girl who may have wanted to turn into a witch
>Homura was willing to risk the happiness of all those magical girls that Madoka used her humanity to save as a goddess solely for Madoka's sake.
Again how? If you are refering to pulling Madoka out of Madokami we know it can and was done. BY Madoka. The entire movie she was running around disconnected from Madokami exactly as she is now. Only this time Homura is using her power to actively override her going back.
She seems to follow timeline 3 Madoka's request over Madokami's who by the way would have known about timeline 3 and still told Homura not to worry about her.
EXACTLY And that' the main problem with the movie, if they were going for the demon route the whole time they SHOULDN'T have had that scene in the first place or if they wanted to portray Homura as finally learning her damn lesson they sholdn't have made her a demon...that's a TERRIBLE flaw in the movie.
Protect her from WHAT? She is omnipotent, she can put like an eternal luck charm on her or something and she will live her life happy.
From the monster SHE put in there?
She could have done that by letting herself get taken to Madokahalla too...either path would lead her to Madoka...So...No...I don't get it, Homura must want something else.
Ehh because she respected her decision to sacrifice her life to save everyone including her so she could have a happy life and maybe grow a solid character whos traits don't come ONLY from her interactions with Madoka?
Madoka was happy to make that sacrifice (In both scenarios) Madoka decided she wanted that (In Both scenarios) To care you have respect and want happiness from that person you care for...Madoka had those two things already...Homura had to respect her friend's wish and honor her friendship embracing the chance her friend gave her.
If she was going to become a god anyways, she could just fix the system back.
Go to bed Sayaka.
This thread is facing a dire shortage of JUSTICE.
You're retarded. Please stop posting. What the fuck are you even trying to say? Are you ESL?
AI YO > justice
The ones who would want to become a witch would have to have their will restricted by Madokami for the sake of the rest of humanity. Madokami even sends these girls to a place where they can realize the error of their ways. The way the system works even sociopaths would come out redeemed and serving the greater good.
This only makes Madokami all the more noble.
gothloli a best
They're both bad anyway.
Agreed. It needs more Mami, a lot more Mami.
>they can realize the error of their ways.
What error? They hate humanity, so they want to destroy it. Madoka like it' so she wants to maintain it. You're really arrogant and self-righteous. Just like Madoka actually.
Well it's not like many MGs even knew becoming a witch was something they could do.
>you will never hug gothloli homu and tell her it's going to be alright
I didn't really like the movie, kind of boring, I appreciate SHAFT making all the OTPs canon and what not and giving Mammies some love. Other than that I felt the post-universal yurification went on for a bit too long.
How could she know that she'd become a god or that if she did become a god it would be one with the power to fix the potentially broken LoC system? Madokami certainly wasn't omnipotent, the fact that Homura has power that is even greater than Madokami's should be a surprise to her.
No Homufag seems willing to admit that Homura gambled the universe and was lucky enough not to lose.
AI YO a shit.
Madokami works outside of time, she could have spent years in the barrier and nothing bad would have happened to any magical girl, what Homura did is completely different.
It was a gamble that she figured she'd win based on emperical evidence.
Homura doesn't care about you or anything you have to say. She wouldn't care about you in timeline one or in any other rendition of her character. Your fantasies are the highest level of delusion, at least other faggots fantasies about girls who might be willing to talk to them.
Homu just wanted to die without salvation, but there goes everyone destroying her plans again.
She can't even kill herself without failing.
How new are you to waifufaggotry? Also
>Your fantasies are the highest level of delusion,
wow you're new and retarded.
There is an objective good and preserving human life from senseless death is good. This is why only Madoka could become a goddess and make a system that was best for humanity and magical girls.
You know nothing about Madoka.
So if I play Russian roulette using your mother you'll be fine with it because I told you there's only 1 bullet in the gun?
Meanwhile, In the sea
There is no such thing as objective morality. If that's the route you want to take this discussion, you can piss off.
Justice gets you nothing but turned into witch food. AI YO gets you a Madoka.
How could she know she could pull out something from Madokami by grabbing her hands? How did she knew real Madokami would be coming at all?
There is no answer for how much Homura knew about what she was doing. You think she didn't know enough, but that's just your opinion.
It is no different. I really can't see how it is different. She is still connected to Madokami after Homura pulled her out. Its the exact same thing.
At least other waifu faggots go after heterosexual women who would realistically at least give you one conversation.
Homura's likes are
>things Madoka likes
Oh goody, the subjective ethicists are here.
>At least other waifu faggots go after heterosexual women who would realistically at least give you one conversation.
Again, new as shit.
>How could she know that she'd become a god or that if she did become a god it would be one with the power to fix the potentially broken LoC system? Madokami certainly wasn't omnipotent, the fact that Homura has power that is even greater than Madokami's should be a surprise to her.
She was saying as she did it that she surpassed Madoka's power. So she knew. Its just the power of AI YO
>complaining that fantasies aren't realistic
The sooner you except that objectivity doesn't apply to everything, the sooner you'll be able to accept that you aren't always right. I bet you're a stemfag.
Sealdoka Homuotter so sweet
We've already seen that AI YO can't defeat JUSTICE in battle.
>he thinks any meguca stands a chance against Homura
All arguments to defend Homura are entirely subjective.
It all comes down to this, either you sympathize with the bitch or you dislike her.
>he doesn't seduce Homura by seducing Madoka first, so Homura will have no choice but to choose you to keep Madoka pure
But it was not AI YO homu yet.
Or your worship her like I do.
Rape your friends is objectively wrong, anon.
Sayadolphin is the cutest thig ever
There you have it everyone. All your arguments are pointless, time to shut down, /a/, 4chan, the internet.
>All arguments to defend Homura are entirely subjective.
All arguments against Homura are entirely subjective as well.
but she was a witch then
Strongest meguca (other than Madoka) or not, Mami is still just a regular meguca, and she'd never become a devil.
Madoka wanted it
Back to second grade with you.
Homura's actions make her evil, she wasted every redeeming quality about her character prior to backstabbing Madoka. She wasted all of Madoka's efforts to mend her soul with love and tenderness, so now she's going to force Madoka to crush it with force and apathy. She deserves to burn in hell for her crimes against everyone and that's what she's going to get, nobody's going to be willing to save her soul now.
>anything cuter than sealdoka
Sayakafags, we need to have a talk.
What was your face like when you saw KyouSaya hand holding?
Well not according to Homufags, Homura can do the worst shit imaginable and her fans would love her.
They would even fap to her doing those things.
When did this happen? I thought Rebellion was the only new movie. I saw that one.
I hnnnng'd, then cried for the lack of MadoHomu.
>No, Homura-chan, I don't want this! You're tearing me apart!
>She wasted all of Madoka's efforts to mend her soul with love and tenderness, so now she's going to force Madoka to crush it with force and apathy
>force and apathy
I don't think you get Madoka.
As much as I'd be fine with that the fact is Madoka will never do that. Even when she judges someone its usually passive or blaming herself. Considering Sayaka possibly murdered two people and is considered closest to Madokami it seems she doesn't punish, just re-mold girls so they can find peace with themselves.
No they'll end it on a predictable Dualism ending with either both of them becoming human with the problem fixed or both of them becoming cooperating goddesses, or the best of this cliched ending being both becoming goddesses and eternally fighting one another like in the Zoroastrian religion.
>you are tearing me apart
I don´t think we saw the same movie
TanukiMami is cuter.
It was nice, but hearing an entire audience of Yurifags awwing at it because "Muh Lesbians" kinda ruined it for me.
What? Movie got a lot of beautiful homumado scenes.
>I don´t think we saw the same movie
You're right. I didn't have "i have homu" goggles on.
A goddess has to keep up her modest appearances.
Little Mami is the cutest.
>Madoka verbally says she doesn't want this
>Homufags still say "Madoka wanted this"
Blind fucking faggots...
It wasn't AI Homu until maybe the flower scene, or more likely a bit past that after becoming a witch and coming back.
When she fought Mami she was just normal dark justice Homura, who would do what it takes to win and save others.
In other words, it was the Homura from the series, while AI YO is a Homura who has moved past what she was in the series to become something more.
Or they'll probably find a way to strech for a third season.
Whatever you say, rapist.
>Kyubey did nothing wrong, Homu a shit
Who the fuck said anything about Madoka wanting it? No she didn't want it, but that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what people want when you think you know better. I wanted to smoke weed and do other edgy shit when I was really young, but my parents wouldn't let me because they thought they knew what was better for me than I did.
"i hate homu" goggles.
>Kyubey did nothing wrong,
I have a whole race of Incubators that would disagree.
Madoka is sitting in a room.
She must choose between a friendly day with Homura or an entire delicious cake freshly made by Mami. Where do her loyalties lie?
You could just say that Mami fought regular Homura, while Ai Yo is Bowmura
Madoka on top is fine too.
Keep using shit translations, faggot
So despite Madoka telling Homura she's fine with her sacrifice as a human, as a goddess, and again being fine with it as a goddess in Rebellion that isn't enough? Madoka still doesn't know what's best for her and Homura has to make choices for her like a mother would to a three year old that's going to touch the hot stove?
That kind of attitude just spits in the face of Madoka's choice being one she understood and fully accepted.
Mami probably just buys cakes anyway
Mami is no longer friends with Madoka, anon, Homura made sure of that.
>implying she doesn't make them out of ribbons
I wouldn't say she's treating Madoka like a child. But you generally have the right idea.
Madoka also spat on Homura's wish you know.
>Homura who has moved past what she was in the series to become something more.
Always makes me laugh to see Homurafag say this when we clearly see that Homura hasn't changed at all when she's talking with Madoka in the hallway.
Not really, don't they attend the same school still? If the goal was to keep these people away from Madoka she could have sent them all across the globe with Sayaka living in Siberia.
But anon, I don´t hate Homura. I like her when she cries over Madoka (not in a mean way) she looks so cute because she change her mature-voice for a girly-one. But a don´t like her fanbase in denial
Free will is an illusion. Cake is the only option.
My my, so blasphemous.
>But a don´t like it when people think differently than I do.
>AI YO is a Homura who has moved past what she was in the series to become something more.
Fuck you, you know what was a Homura that moved past what she was in the series? Bowmura at the end of ep. 12; despite not being overjoyed in her new life she seemed like she was willing to move past a physical Madoka not existing even if it was solely in Madoka's memory.
Rebellion is just a more powerful Homura from the main portions of the tv series.
Urobuchi – In the last episode, even the bonding between Homura and Madoka was established only after the miracle happened. At the stage when Madoka spoke out her wish to Kyubei, for her Homura is a denpa (wacko) whose words she could not understand. (lol) Although [Homura] came back from future and rolled back time many times, for her she only knew her only the first time. Therefore the motivation for Madoka's wish was actually rooted in desire to save all the mahou shoujo. It was not necessarily for Homura herself. It was to Homura's credit that because she went through time loops many times and bound up the causalities so that Madoka possessed the power strong enough to bend and twist the law of causality. So Homura's feeling was always facing towards Madoka, but Madoka came to understand the real feeling of Homura only after she got hold of the almighty power.
Homura failed Madoka only was fixing Homura's failure, there were no grief seeds available in the area to save Homura and she was moments away from becoming a witch. For all intents in purposes Homura was doomed without Madoka.
Madoka did exact same things a hundred times before. Making a brave face and saying she is fine.
It doesn't mean she is fine.
That doesn't change anything. Homura's wish was to protect Madoka. Madoka denied Homura that opportunity. Granted, it was in my opinion, her wholehearted right to do such.
Bowmura + a bit more = AI YO
Still if you don't get why Homura may have done what she did in the end after it's been explained countless times, that's a bit on you. Bowmura who has accepted all for love is close, but it's only when she pushes past that will she become something more. It's not like she suddenly got more powerful because of nothing, rather it's because her ideals and emotions along with recent experiences allowed her to evolve.
AI Yo Homura is a Homura that felt she was wrong to accept the defeat she suffered in episode 12. It's a Homura that doubles down on the promise she made Madoka all those timelines ago, and is gonna do what ever it fucking takes to fulfill her promise.
>She mean it in a frienship way, she´s still my waifu
>You are tearing me apart!
>It´s for Madoka´s sake, the new world is perfect
>dur hur she is a bitch anyway, who cares about her, fucking slut not like my pure waifu
Wathever you say, man
We still using interviews?
I thought we moved past this.
Look I know that the potential for Rebellion was there in ep. 12 bowmura, but the ending pointed more toward a general acceptance with a reward upon death in service to Madoka's will. It's end quote only strengthens that original message.
Oh, man. I hope Mami and Kyoko get a bigger role in the next movie. I mean, almost surely they wont but it would be nice a bit more of attention towards them.
Everything she did was right and just
>All that strawman.
get the fuck out of here you newshit namefag.
Mata Ashita confirms this.
>She mean it in a frienship way, she´s still my waifu
lol oh man I remember when I tried to pass this reasoning off to my brother after we saw the movie. He even became convinced about "nah man she's in gay love" before I did. That illusion is dead now though; I suppose it's for the best.
MamiKyou is dead, only SayaKyou and MamiNagi now, please buy our merchandise.
Homu's heart and actions are utterly unclouded.
They are all those of "justice".
I will never get this fetish
Pick none and just go back to tumblr.
>look mommy im posting it again
So goddess Madoka is just a liar then? She was secretly suffering as this goddess over magical girls from the beginning and the end and Sayaka/Nagisa don't hint at this because they want to keep the illusion up?
Homufags will go at any lengths to defend her actions...
>Mami looked total badass, fought with elegance, cared for all her friends even without not knowing all the story
She really shone in the movie
Yeah, so I can remind you to go back to tumblr.
>Sayaka + Mami team-up to defeat the Homu
I want to believe.
No, you get out, denialfag you´re the worst kind of fan ever
Nope, Mami will become Homura's minion to preserve her world along with Kyoko. They'll have to fight Sayaka, Nagisa and Madoka.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son.
Homura loves Madoka in the same way that God loves the world:
She'd give Madoka a son.
Don''t forget about Kyoko!
Yet that's not what happened, because while she did try to accept Madoka's world with everything she had, and indeed she did she still missed her. Which is why she lept at it when she saw the possibility that Madoka still needed saving here. It's not enough that she would just allow Madoka to sacrifice herself for the world, although she did try to respect that wish, but Homura's idea and wish still was never granted.
She tried to let be what be, but when an opportunity came along that said it could still be and maybe this is for the best, she went for it. It's not that the series did not happen, it's not that the end of the series still didn't happen and she tried to live in Madoka's world, but as Urobuchi puts it "The current trend is for timeless, unchanging characters. The characters in the movie however do change, and he's sure that there will be people who will complain about them being "out of character" when in fact they're just growing as human beings."
People are shocked that Homura can change her mind or ideals instead of being timeless in staying on that one path forever as she was at the end of the series, when in reality all that happened gave her a new outlook about how to go about things.
Shut the hell up.
>Forsaking justice for a Homu
It's entirely possible Madokami is suffering. It's also entirely possible that her suffering is hidden from even her closest friends up in Yuri Vallhala. We're not even entirely sure what the nature of her existence is.
It may not be so simple as just, she gets to hang around with a bunch of other ex-MGs.
You do realize /a/ was on Madoka before it became really big, right?
It is also possible that Homura really is the cat all along but we will never know!
Just fuck off.
Madoka just gives up on herself, like she always does.
And Sayaka actually became hero of justice without any downsides to it. Of course she wants to keep it going.
>actually believing in justice, and not just using it to distract her from her crippling loneliness.
What if Mami believes that Homura's way is justice? Keep in mind, Mami is no stranger to imposing her will on people when she sees it necessary for justice. She could end up understanding Homura and maybe even supporting her.
I think Bowmura was truly satisfied with how things were at the end of episode 12. It wasn't a perfect result, but she was willing to fight in Madoka's place in this world until the day she could see her again.
Until she went into despair and became a witch. I'm sure the incubators helped her along with thinking maybe Madoka wasn't real and something she made up. Coobs would tell her that humans are always so irrational for believing in things with no evidence. Once the first doubt was there, Homu's mind wouldn't let it go.
Madoka kept saying conflicting things to her. In timeline 3 she begged Homura to never let her contract. In the naked space hug she told Homu that she was happy being a goddess and would be with her always. Madoka in the flower field scene told her she'd never want to leave her friends and spend eternity all alone. During AI YO she told Homura she didn't want this.
Homura never got a chance to get close to Madokami. The naked space hug ended and she was sent back all alone. The Madoka she knew was the innocent human one, so her words are going to hold more weight.
Now what would Mami say if Homura asked her if this world was worth protecting?
But she isn't lonely anymore and still fights for justice with equal resolve.
Your post is a false equivalence and thus, is discarded with haste.
T-that... that brainwashing whore!
>people who will complain about them being"out of character"
Like I said I can see where it came from and don't find it to be out of character. This post best explains what likely happened before Rebellion >>101947035
I guess its just disappointment that what was suppose to be a positive conclusion for both Homura and Madoka was shown to be hollow for Homura.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Homura probably stopped fighting with Mami and Kyoko after Sayaka died. The group probably broke up because of that reason.
That's just one
You can subscribe to the alternate continuities thing that a lot of "muh original messeage" faggots do
The confession in the garden of white clovers at the park appeared to be Madokami's desires, even though they really weren't (though Homu had no way of knowing this, really). She valued these desires equally and before that point was happy to respect Madoka's wish; she was going to murder Bebe just because she thought she was shitting on Madoka's wish for existing.
She's busy enough as it is.
All Homura did in regards to Mami was insert Nagisa in this universe. A world with wraiths and the law of cycles is all Mami ever knew, before or after AI YO.
So is Mumi
>tfw in Homura's new world Yuma is probably dead from parental abuse or emotionally dead inside.
>emotionally dead inside.
Then she'll fit perfectly in the Homuverse.
Meh, even with interviews supporting it I don't find comfort in that. It's like saying only Star Wars: A New Hope is canon and Empire Strikes and Return of the Jedi never happened.
Just like, everything else.
But that's exactly what a lot of Star Wars fan who hate neo-Lucas do. They disregard the more recent trilogy because it's shit.
I feel like reading some shitty threads where faggots have been waiting season 2,3 of their favorite show for 4-8 years already.
They announced movies trilogy and they finished it.
I'm sure they won't make direct continuation of rebellion.
>I'm sure they won't make direct continuation of rebellion.
And everyone else, even Shinbo, is sure you're wrong.
>TFW Reunion Story comes out in 2015
>In timeline 3 she begged Homura to never let her contract
Technically she only asked Homura to save her before she got tricked by QB. Which she succeeded in doing. Madoka making her goddess wish wasn't being tricked by anyone.
They had better have a successful luminous then.
I really hate how the movie completely shits on Madoka character and worst of all is that her supposed best friend is the one who does it, the worst fears of Madoka about itself turn out to be true, she's just a stupid little girl who can't do anything right, her highest point in the series was simply a mistake made by this naive and stupid girl that Homura has to correct, AGAIN, Homura has to interfere and make everything right because she know better and Madoka is just a stupid, naive and useless girl.
Watched the movie and got some questions.
If everyone in Homu's barrier (also QB's experiment facility) is basically invited one by Homu unconsciously.
How Madokami knew that Nagisa and Sayaka will be invited by Homu?
Yes, she would and did invite Sayaka as she wanted to gather puella magi quintet. Luckily.
But Nagisa, why? I couldn't find some plausible reasons that Homu invited her.
They are supposed to be important as they carry the most important information to rescue Homu. right?
The movie doesn't shit on Madoka's character at all. Whether Homura is right or not is left entirely up to the viewer.
Shinbo can do some slice of life comedy if ANIPLEX let him. But it doesn't mean it will be direct continuation.
>mfw there won't be anything till 2020
When you put it like that, it really is sad.
Well she served her role of keeping Mami from being lonely pretty well. It's possible that the Law of Cycles crew just forced their way in, and the barrier just molded them into the dream world as best it could.
Yeah, it bothers me too. The fact that Madoka actually has these fears and they keep turning out to be true only adds salt to the wound.
I mean even in Homura's world built for Madoka, she's left in a position nearly as isolated as Homura was in timeline one. Her childhood friend hasn't seen her in 3 years, she doesn't show any of that confidence in herself that was beaming in timeline one. It's sad really, especially if this really is the ending.
He said he wants to do a two cour series in a different interview from the one he said he wants SOL. He wants to do a bunch of shit. And he will. No one drops money like this, especially jews like Shinbo.
2015 is too early when they still have to produce Puella Magi Sayaka Magica: Revengeance
>movie staring sayaka
hahaha never happening.
This picture is so outdated, dude
>putting Sayaka in a Kyubey suit
Wow that was a concept doomed to failure from the start. "Let's put the two least marketable characters together!"
>tfw to buy a Homura pin I have to get Kyubey too
Nagisa was simply a marketing decision, she's not supposed to make sense, stop thinking about it and buy our merchandise.
But all the other meguca's sold in Kyubey suits.
>implying Sayakyubey isn't fucking adorable
Elevens have shit taste as always.
Are you an idiot? QB is loved in Japan.
Nagisa and Sayaka carry Madoka's memories and powers in the dream world so QB can't steal them, since QB is only watching out for Madoka there.
When they entered the world of memory they're just given roles that fit what they are there.
Oh my fffff
Have you heard any reasons why? Like do they look past the whole using humanity as cattle thing because he's Kawaii?
QB is role model for business man in Japan too.
>not liking Sayaka
I think page 6 might answer more of his questions.
Technically, they don't have any form which can be invited. Neither Sayaka or Nagisa since they don't exist anymore.
They are conglomerated into Madoka's valhalla. Sayaka and Nagisa simply piggybacked as Madoka made her way in.
But anon, Sayaka is the greatest.
Aniplex completely owns Madoka franchise not Shinbo.
They will decide to milk it or leave it for future.
The greatest shit.
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
>not liking all the megucas
>Puella Magi Sayaka Magica: Kyousuke's dick
You can't be serious.
If you don't think Shinbo has a pull, you're crazy. The guys very important at both Shaft and Aniplex. It doesn't really matter though. Even if he said I NEVER WANT MORE MADOKA EVER KILL THE FRANCHISE they'd still make more.
That was one of the best things Rebellion did for me, it provided that rare situation where they're all working together and are friends with one another with nothing bad happening. Even if it was just an illusion it was nice too see, but now I want more like a SOL deal. I'd probably even be fine with it being centered more on school than actual Magi stuff.
When is Sayaka just going to slice that dumb bitch homu into a million pieces like she deserves?
Not if Rifyu has anything to say about it.
Sayaka can't have dick.
Sayaka couldn't even take on Moemura and expect to come out alive.
>when is Sayaka just going to befriend that poor misguided Homu like she deserves?
Fixed that for you.
>Thinking Kyouko doesn't have a magic dick
Sayaka will not convince Homura. Madoka will. At best, Sayaka will give Madoka and opening to reascend so that her and Homura can stand on equal grounds and sort out their issues.
The very concept still blows my mind.
They'll keep the other girls busy by having the fight each other. Madoka wakes up, instantly forgives Homura and the movie ends just like everyone expected it too.
This image answer everything. Madoka is living a happy life with family and friends, just stop forcing your delusion to the fact anon.
Biggest fucking smile that didn't leave despite the progression of events in the end.
>killing the goddess's waifu
It's like you want Sayaka to be kicked out of yuri Valhalla
On the contrary; ambition makes her all the more attractive.
>Thanks to Homura, Kyubey will never get to see his kids again
It was still vanilla as shit, and in the end it was a good edition to the series since shit was 200% love like the other installments. But I wouldn't expect it to ever be translated.
Gotta keep raising the game
Kissing --> finger insertion ---> Sex ---> Soul gem touching
As long as it's vanilla it's cool
Madoka doesn't judge anyone, you could be a magical girl that exterminated the entire gaming community of Brazil and Madoka wouldn't care.
Who even knows what comes after soul gem touching, because I sure don't.
We did see Kyouko thrusting into Sayaka with her long hard spear.
It really looks like Homura gets to have her cake and eat it too. Madoka can live a human life and have innocent happiness, while Madokami can be happy saving megucas.
soul gem insertion
Yes, she was also happy with her family in the tv series. that doesn't mean her feelings of inadequacy didn't exist then or now.
Probably will reconnect with Sayaka quickly enough, but she's the new girl who is basically in the same position as Moemura was. She even responds to all the attention in a rather similar fashion.
I really think that Madoka will be alone in the world of Homura, her relasion with Sayaka weakened and now Sayaka has a job as a magical girl and Kyouko, same with Mami, Hitomi has her boyfriend and Homura hates herself too much for get close to Madoka again, all her friends have more important things to do than spend time with a useless girl like Madoka.
Madokami isn't happy though. Madoka knows that something's out of place, on a subconscious level, and she will keep trying to reconnect with her goddess self.
>Homura gets to be Madoka
let's face it, that's all Homura really wanted this whole time.
>It really looks like Homura gets to have her cake and eat it too. Madoka can live a human life and have innocent happiness, while Madokami can be happy saving megucas.
I agree that Homura has her cake and eats it, but I believe its not to Madokami's benefit. I'm guessing without Madoka's humanity Madokami becomes just the concept that Mami described in ep. 12. It does its job which is purging witches with no concern about what to do with the soul of the magical girl. A Law of the universe just like gravity.
Being a magical girl never stopped anyone from being Madoka's friend before.
So when do you expect to hear an announcement for more Madoka? Or do you not expect one at all?
Depends what you mean by "more Madoka". I'd be surprised if we didn't get at least some sort of addition to the franchise in the next year.
I want one, I think it's stupid not to start working on one while the iron is hot but I suspect there isn't any sequel coming up or at least not in the near future.
She's probably crying over being unable to save her best friend.
It's possible that without the human part of Madoka, Madokami is basically a Gretchen that annihilates witches.
Madoka probably can't help herself but to be nice to Homura. At least I hope so.
That's because QB still had an interest in Madoka and that connected it to the other, that's not the case now and she's the new girl with no real relationship with anyone, she will be ignored like Madoka and Sayaka ignore Hitomi or like everyone ignore Homura.
Did we confirm still nothing wrong with Homura?
I wouldn't be surprised if we started hearing early rumors by the end of the year. It wont be anything serious, just, "so-and-so is in talks with so-and-so on doing something Madoka related". Then real details well into next year. They don't want to go too long with total radio silence.
Assuming there are plans, and I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be.
Everything is wrong with Homura.
I think in that isolation is where Homura will try to snag the "Best friend" title from human Madoka. I mean if she's not guilty enough to feel regret for what she did then she's probably not feeling guilty enough to try to use it to her advantage to become the closest friend to Madoka. Plus it would allow her to influence Madoka more if they were seemingly best friends.
Yes, we've come to the collective and objective conclusion that Homura did nothing wrong.
Yes, though there is an autismal faget who keeps claiming otherwise.
At the very least, Homura has clip-chan.
She's not wide anymore.
Don't let the Homura Hater troll color your impression of the entire contingent of people who think she did something wrong, but still sympathize with her.
>Madoka probably can't help herself but to be nice to Homura. At least I hope so.
Have you read this? This is how their relationship is going to go in the new world.
She hasn't done anything wrong, but she hasn't done the right thing yet.
I can't read that, but it looks like Madoka being nice as usual.
>During AI YO she told Homura she didn't want this.
She told Homura to stop because she was surprise and don't know happen, not that she told Homura to stop beause she don't want her human life back and live happily with her family and friends again.
My doctor says I shouldn't read any more Ayanero works, it's not good for me.
So if Homura did nothing wrong, which meguca did? I mean, they can't all be right.
No, I think that's just your opinion and the harder you force the more desperate you seem.
>they can't all be right.
Sure they can.
My moon isn't great, but Homura can't hold back her tears, and asks Madoka to leave, and she does.
Yup, nothing wrong with showing the truth that Madoka is a worthless child that needs Homura to make all her decisions for her.
Madoka tries to be nice and be her friend but Homura keeps pushing her away for her "own good".
Homura did everything right
Madoka did everything right
Sayaka will (probably) do everything right
is this from official art?
do even elevens agree Homura is autistic?
But it's not my opinion. It's factual that Homura did nothing wrong. ai yo
He made the fatal mistake of getting between an obsessed autistic lesbian and her Madoka.
Is 2chan here?
>Homura being a creep and possible pervert to Sayaka
I think I'm OK with this.
Don't insult our goddess like that, Homura will kill you.
Cake did wrong.
>raspberry calling cake wrong
But who was cake?
Gott ist tot
She leaves Homura a letter about her feelings and how she wants them to be friends.
Then Mami find it and gets jealous.
If it's wrong, probably Homura.
SO WHO WAS THE FUCKING CAKE?
you, the viewer, was cake
Makes me wish for an SMT-esque Madoka game.
Homura quite literally became Louis Cyphre.
Mami is the cake.
Ok so the fact that Homura's familiars say this represents that deep down Homura would be happiest if Madokami never existed right? It's her conscious mind that tells her to keep the LoC because its more useful to live under the wraith system than the witch one.
But I don't want Charlotte to bite my head off.
Godokafags can't survive in a world of HOMU.
I AM THE CHEESE! I AM THE BEST CHARACTER ON THE SHOW! I AM BETTER THAN THE RASPBERRY AND THE PUMPKIN COMBINED!
Breasts pls stop yelling
Nobody is better than the pumpkin, whether the pumpkin realizes it or not.
Melon a best, Pumpkin agreed, don't bother her about it.
>In the naked space hug she told Homu that she was happy being a goddess.
She never told that she happy being a goddess, stop your delusion anon. She only said that she happy to have a friend like Homura.
Madoka also said "I'm sure that if it's just a little one, real miracle can happen" this make it clear that Madoka believes that Homura will make a miracle and bring her back to live again. That's why Madoka bestowed the memories about herself on Homura and Homura didn't let Madoka down and success in bringing Madoka back to life again in Rebellion.
That's the reason why Rebellion is the true ending of Trilogy.
Sounds like you have unresolved issues with the cheese, anon, want to talk about it with a cup of tea?
BETTER THAN THE PUMPKIN! BETTER THAN THE APPLE! BETTER THAN THE MELON!
mami a shit
Can we get an edit of that Homu shitposting on /a/ pic, where Madoka is posting something like "Homura-chan seems really lonely and I wish I could be her friend"
Is pretty sad to see Homurafags deny reality in this way just to justify the horrible betrayal that Homura commit.
Yeah I'm sure that's why Homura is so sure that they'll become enemies in the future.
Fucking Homufags turning Madoka's highest point into another timeline 3 bitchfest where she needs Homura to save her from her own stupidity.
>Fucking Homura turning Madoka's highest point into another timeline 3 bitchfest where she needs Homura to save her from her own stupidity.
What's with the ultra pessimist view? It's like saying Homura is just a stupid naive girl who can't do anything right, when in reality she forced the threads of fate to wrap around Madoka, giving her the power to change the universe.
The time to shine for Madoka was in the series. Homura is the hero this time, Madoka is the heroine. Nothing Madoka did was useless or naive, it was the only way to defeat the incubators.
I wonder when people will realize they don't have to consider Homura or Madoka to be wrong. They can both be right.
The wrong thing is to not do anything at all.
>Mami cares for all her friends
So, What does it means that "Mada dameyo" (Not yet)?
Does it mean that shinbo do not want to end the series so they are saying "Not yet" ?
It wasn't a betrayal at all, only a misunderstanding of what Madoka wants.
Madoka will forgive her once she understands why she did it.
Killing someone before they become the monster they despise counts as caring.
Homura's not done yet. She's going to have her cake and eat it do.
None of that has to do with what I said, anon.
Homura is only "right" because nothing bad happened as a consequence of just taking a plunge into the unknown to get what she wanted.
If Rebellion went out of the way to show Madokami becoming this Gretchen entity that ate magical girls along with their witch would you still be going "Homura was right"?
Even if something went wrong with Madoka's wish, at least she had the interest of those she effected at heart. Homura is running on this idea that she knows better than Madoka and that its ok to risk the universe for Madoka's sake.
The two of them to work out their shit. Both have their hearts in the right place, but they can't help themselves from hurting the other.
Everyone in the high position will never show that they are suffering because of thier responsibility, they will never have a chance to get off thier position too since all people keep relying on them. The only thing they can do is keep deluding themself that they are fine with it or accept that they have to do this in the rest of thier life.
If Homura didn't fuck QB up and just went along with Madoka, would he have gained control of Madoka eventually and reversed the law of cycles?
Yes? She does that because she cares about her friends, what are you trying to say here?
Only if you believe Madoka is braindead like Homura does.
No, she's right because the ends justify the means.
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
>Selling your soul to save a cat
If this doesn't satisfy the criteria, I don't know what will.
No it doesn't.
If Mami got her way, everyone would be dead for nothing. Coobs would find more girls who would eventually become witches. Madokami would never save them.
On day 1 of every timeline after that, Homura should have killed Mami before she knew what hit her. She was too dangerous to be left alive. Homu can reset time if something happens to Madoka, but if Homu dies it's all over.
She didn't know that yet.
Then is okay if I kill your father to get into your mother's pants because ends justify the means.
I think that's a fair assumption. I think it's Gen busting out the pop-sci books again. It's simplified quantum mechanics. This idea that your observation of something changes the nature of what your observing. Starting from there, and skipping all the messy details, you get that the incubators can effect the LoC after observing it in action.
That said, I don't think Homura pulled the stunt she did to save Madoka from the Incubators.
That is a false as fuck equivalence and you should feel ashamed of yourself for think that shit would work.
Mami didn't know that yet.
fuck yeah fap of the century
normalfags don't understand many things
Really? The end of providing one girl with 80 years of human life is worth the cost of potentially causing magical girls from the past and present to be destroyed. This is keeping in mind that souls exist and something of an afterlife happens on death.
Also that witches return. All of that is justified for a form of happiness that Madoka was willing to let go of?
Yes. The point was, they would have gained control of her eventually, even if it was in the distant, distant future.
>I want your mother
>She's with another man (your father)
>It doesn't matter what I do to your father so long as I get to have sex with your mother
Don't see the flaw in this logic if we're going by "Ends justify the means"
Not even Homu knew that yet, but it would still ruin everything.
Mami is really great, as long as the law of cycles is in place. Otherwise she's unstable and dangerous.
Is not, rape your mom will result in the birth of the person who will save the world, you can't know that but I know it therefore is okay to kill your father and rape your mom because the ends justify the means and is for the greater good .
Then Homura may have potentially saved humanity, why is everyone so upset?
Homura could have fought with Madoka to solve this problem. Instead she just blocked Madoka from trying to do anything like she had done in the series.
>implying Madoka has the spine to kill the incubators
You're obviously some high school drop out retard so I'll explain this to you in simple words. If your goal is a "right" that you must commit a "wrong" to achieve, the end (right) will justify the means (wrong). Your stupid fucking example only nominally relates to the aforementioned, and it doesn't relate to Homura and Madoka's situation at all.
Homura's wrong was imposing her well on Madoka and treating her like a child who didn't know any better. But the right was the end result, Madoka being safe and happy. In Homura's mind, granted.
For starters, you're assuming the the "ends" here are perfectly noble or justifiable.
That is just as valid as to say that QB will be able to control Homura in the distant, distant future, it's a lot of bullshit without base.
She did. Madoka and Bowmura shot together to break the isolation field and kill the fuck out of all the incubators.
She forcibly ripped her only friend out of heaven and tore apart everything she had given up her existence for.
To put it another way, she repaid a selfless act of love with an extremely selfish act of love.
Just kill yourself. You have jack shit to contribute to this thread and probably even less to contribute to society. You worthless piece of retarded shit. Just die.
The scene here >>101950333
Makes it seem like Madoka can handle Incubators pretty well. It gives the impression that the threat of Incubators fucking with the LoC was handled after their shit got wrecked. Then again, I think there's a stray QB hanging around when Madokami descends, so maybe not.
Except Homura is using the incubators for something now and she knows of their plans.
It wasn't just selfish or just selfless.
I'm sorry if you can't accept a valid example when it is applied to you, asshole.
>selfless act of love with an extremely selfish act of love.
They were just repaying debts to eachother that neither were in fact owed.
I think losing numbers in that amount each time they try an isolation field will give them the hint that they should stop trying to mess with these forces before they end up losing their home planet or something.
>selfless act of love
There is no true altruism friend.
Just like Madoka knew of their plans and had no problems dealing with them
It would be a real shame if someone were to clap the incubators planet out of existence.
It's not valid you vapid fucking dolt. You're going on with the assumption that Homura had no idea what she was doing.
The Incubators are fucked now, Homura has basically crushed them under her boot and probably enslaved them.
Even they knew they'd poked something that should have been messed with, they were all "fuck this shit we're out of here!" before Homura began rewriting reality.
She still put magical girls throughout time over herself, total strangers to Madoka.
I'd consider that selfless enough to not be attacked by faggots like you with these claims that Madoka had ulterior motives.
>that's a nice planet you got there, be a shame if something happened to it.
But that may change in the distant, distant, distant future and changing the tables, anon!
This is the same shit you do with the case of Madoka.
Madoka has to be useful. She feels like shit otherwise. That wasn't her only motivation, but it wasn't purely selfless. Nothing is. Pure selflessness is impossible.
>total strangers who don't give two shits about you over your family and friends
Madoka got off on being a martyr.
>The desire for martyrdom is sometimes considered a form of masochism. Allan Berger, however, described it as one of several patterns of "pain/suffering seeking behavior", including asceticism and penance.
I cracked up when QB suggested he was getting out of the MG biz, after Homura started rewriting the universe.
Too late now faggot.
I think this is what people get for calling the ending shitty just cuz it ended in a "good end".
>Homura shows weakness for some reason
>Incubators spring into action and overthrow their Homu overlord
>Not sure what to do with a reality-altering magical girl
>They just make a really big box, put her inside of it, and then put it under a rug somewhere
>Bunch of Kyubeys gather around the water cooler, wiping sweat off their heads and toasting cups to their regained independence
I wanted to see Kyubey escape. Poor guy realized he fucked up and tried to bail. That's literally logical. At least we got to see Homura poke his face. That was cute and creepy.
Nah, pretty sure their entire race has a bad case of Stockholm syndrome.
She doesn't know what she was doing, she just wanted her Madoka back and she was willing to risk the universe to get it.
As much as I enjoyed Rebellion as a film this fucking division and Homufags slandering Madoka's sacrifice is appalling.
At the end of the tv series Madoka was comparable to Jesus in the nobility of her sacrifice. Now it's all "Hurr hurr Madoka's an idiot because Homura can't be wrong."
It was no more of a good end than episode 12. It was a bittersweet end.
She's already proven she cannot be contained, even as a meguca/witch instead of a devil.
>Homu breaks out of the box
>asks the incubators what the hell they're doing
>her Clara dolls show up and beat the shit out of them
>she breaks Kyubey's kneecaps for this
Madoka has stockholm syndrome, not QB, anon.
It'd be better if they turned her into the perpetual energy machine they were looking for to keep Heat Death from happening.
>Congratulations Akemi-sama; you're finally a benefit to the universe rather than a liability.
>Breaking QB's little kneecaps when they were generous enough to give her her very own box
Truly the worst girl.
She took a gamble based on evidence and she won it. That's my guess anyway. It seems more probable than her just not knowing anything and doing it.
>Madoka isn't Madokami, that must mean they're separate
>the LoC exists independently of Madoka
>Sayaka has a human form despite being taken by LoC
So from there she could conclude that she may be able to tear Madoka out. It was not blind, she just looked at evidence and made a guess that happened to be accurate. .
Homura wasn't the one who broke free from the box, was Madoka who do it.
>>Homu breaks out of the box
Good luck getting out from under the giant space rug you little shit.
There's no indication that the universe would be at risk. All she did was add something to the universe that shouldn't be there, Kaname Madoka. Homura knows what happens when you add something to the universe because she saw what happened when Madoka added the LoC. The universe throws up a big multicolored error screen, and starts rewriting itself while taking into consideration the changes.
There's literally no reason to assume that anything different would happen when Madoka was added into the universe.
>Movie completely shits on Madoka's character, can't do anything right
Comparison to Homura was my response, it's a silly view.
>suggesting Madoka's wish was a mistake
Simply wrong, and I would go further to say you don't like Madoka if you think this, you just hate Homura.
>Homura does something, therefore Madoka is wrong
Stop doing this shit.
>Look, if you take my fan fiction as fact, Homura is super evil and wrong!
Yeah, I get it.
Kyouko would appreciate a box more, considering she's a hobo.
>It was no more of a good end than episode 12. It was a bittersweet end.
ep. 12 at least had closure.
>What do they fight? Wraiths
>What happens when they die? Madoka Heaven
>Is Madoka waiting for Homura? Yes
>Will Homura fight to protect this new world? Yes (seemed that way at the time)
Rebellion requires us to make assumptions about how the world works and if an afterlife still exists.
Look at all these unpatriotic, limp-wristed faggots on this thread. Homura is a true American, not letting petty things like consequences and lower lifeforms interrupt her pursuit of happiness.She doesn't need to conform to you bullshit socialist nonsense.
So Homura created a world where witches still exist? That's how I saw it, though I'm not so sure. Isn't that a bad thing?
Isn't it also bad that Homura deluded herself to the point that she thinks the Madoka who sacrificed herself is fake and the Madoka that lost her memories is the real Madoka?
More reasons for continuityfags to brag. Thanks a lot faggot.
>Yeah, I get it.
You get that you blindly support Homura because everything was handed to her on a silver platter? Good hopefully you'll have a change of heart if the sequel has the balls to show consequences for her actions.
Yes, Urobuchi fucked up with original ending and decided to leave more space for sequel this time.
>Isn't that a bad thing?
>Isn't it also bad that Homura deluded herself to the point that she thinks the Madoka who sacrificed herself is fake and the Madoka that lost her memories is the real Madoka?
Actually, she doesn't give a shit.
What Homura did was basically bring Jesus back into the world to do even more good. Madoka's work and sacrifice is still there, the law of cycles still exists.
>"see you in 10 years" - Shaft
no, at least probably not
Yeah. To be fair, I think there's hints of Homura realizing her mistake at the end.
There's only 3 witches in the Homuverse, and they're very different from old universe witches. At least 2 of them are under control of their respective megucas, and the third maybe is but could also be the other way around.
I'll blindly support Homura because ai yo
Who homu apostle here?
>everything was handed to her on a silver platter?
>if the sequel has the balls to show consequences for her actions.
If no consequences are shown there are none.
At the end magical girls still fight wraiths. Don't bother trying to talk with Homufags, she could have burned the entire universe and created a false world for Madoka to live in with fake memories of her friends/family and it would be justified.
>I hope sequel reflects Homura as the evil person I so badly want her to be
>Who homu apostle here?
Me. Homura did nothing wrong.
Are you saying /a/ wouldn't do the same in an instant, if it meant they could be with their waifu in a perfect world? Hypocrites, the lot of you.
I see what you did there
It has nothing to do with Homura being evil, has to do with that every action has consequence, sees the fucking series or real life, faggot.
>hates that Madoka had to sacrifice herself to get her wish
>despite this she's still allowed the power to retain Madoka's wraith system perfectly
>no evidence that even Madoka's heaven was damaged
Homura kept Madoka and suffered no consequences. Don't even start on this self-hatred bullshit because it hardly even matters since she hasn't been shown to have ruined anything from Madoka's universe.
Right now if Madoka wanted to become a goddess again she would be doing so for selfish and vindictive reasons. This is because the way Homura's world played out the universe doesn't need Madoka to be a goddess.
So now there can't be a legitimate conflict in a sequel unless something bad happened to the LoC. Otherwise Madoka would be trying to become a god again for completely selfish reasons of "just because I should"
This, it's been a constant theme in the series and generally in life.
If I had the chance to be Homu and AI YO myself a Madoka I can't claim I wouldn't.
And? There's still a lot up in the air right now, your baseless speculation does nothing at all.
That doesn't mean anything was handed to her on a slilver platter. You seem honestly, to just be upset that Homura won and did everything right and did nothing wrong. That's literally your complaint.
>being an apostle for a failed apostle
What does Homura Iscariot's dick taste like anon?
your waifus are whores
i already came inside them
But she did nothing wrong.
She broke Madoka's trust and suffered no consequences for gambling the universe and magical girls through time. Big difference from "did everything right and did nothing wrong"
>she would be doing so for selfish and vindictive reasons
No, she'd be doing it because that's who she is, that's who she chose to be. Homura is the one needs to come to terms with that. She needs to forgive herself, and let Madoka restore her existence.
>now there can't be a legitimate conflict in a sequel
Are you crazy? There's tons of conflict for a sequel. The two main characters can't even see eye to eye, let alone Homura's internal struggles.
Let go of the butthurt anon, it's making you look stupid.
She suffered no consequences (yet, hopefully she never does) because she did everything right. She played the right cards and emerged victorious. There is no pain inflicted on the winner.
More like bring Jesus back into the world to be an unknown carpenter who doesn't make waves.
Because there aren't any consequences to gambling when you win.
Homura bet it all and won.
Suffer no consequences for doing wrong things doesn't mean she did everything right, it just means she didn't suffer consequences.
>gambling the universe
>Waah Homura isn't allowed to do anything that works!
>Madoka should have to be chained to the LoC forever!
Fuck off QB shill
But she didn't do anything wrong, that's the point. You feeling slow today, anon?
Rape your friend is never a good thing, anon.
>No, she'd be doing it because that's who she is, that's who she chose to be.
She's been shown to not be needed in that position. What, does she hate her family that she'll abandon them even though she is 100% not needed in the LoC? (from what we're told by Homura in Rebellion)
She didn't rape Madoka.
I must disagree.
>Waah why aren't you happy that Homura's complete willingness to fuck up the world didn't suffer consequences? You must be a QBfag!
Right I forgot Homura as a normal magical girl knew that tearing Madoka from the LoC would give her god-like powers, and allow her to preserve the LoC in perfect functioning order.
There was absolutely no chance that it would just destroy the LoC and everyone in it, leaving Homura and a human Madoka powerless to stop magical girls from the dawn of man slip away into nothingness.
There is clearly something calling her back. Left to herself, she will go back being Madokami. We can't speak as to why, but that's just what she is now. It's unnatural for her to be just Kaname Madoka.
Someone is new to the yuri genre I see.
>complaining about not having consequences for taking risks
>in a movie
That shit just doesn't happen in entertainment. If you want realistic, every time someone told a main character that the chance of failure is 99%, they'd do it and everyone would die a horrible death and the movie/series is over.
>The world is perfect and should never be changed for the better.
Without a reason to go back it's pure selfishness that no audience could support. It'd be like saying she has a call to commit suicide she's helping nobody and causing people harm by leaving the Earth.
The series was built on consequences occurring for taking risks. Now suddenly nothing at all bad happens for taking a risk because "Muh AI YO!"
Maybe she doesn't want to? Maybe she can't help herself.
I mean it's not like she defied or fought Homura when Homura hugged her. She did stop herself, she did take Homura seriously, and she wore the ribbons Homura gave her.
>Now suddenly nothing at all bad happens for taking a risk because "Muh AI YO!"
Or because Homura masters the system and works it in her favor just like Madoka did in episode 12.
>the universe rewriting half of the LoC missing; the part that held Madoka's humanity
What could go wrong?! Apparently nothing because nothing went wrong and everything turned out perfectly for Homura.
I decided to make a contract with you QB
I want to remove all lewd post in Madoka thread.
I want to make it removed in all history also make it not exist in all possibility of future.
Now, Grant my wish! Incubator!
It's something beyond her control. She's not making a conscious decision to become Madokami in the movie. She already did that at the end of the TV series. Now that her existence has been split nature is just trying to restore it.
We don't know if she's gonna fight it or what, but from what we saw Madoka isn't just deciding on going back or not.
Bowmura planned to do something with Madokami long ago. Remember her smug in 12th episode after credit scene. And she told it, when she captured Madokami.
Isolation field actually gave her idea what to do to restore normal Madoka. She lost her memories there, so her feelings messed up and she tried to kill herself. But when Madoka rescued her, she remembered her true goal.
And incubators are not threat at all. Homura didn't do that because of them. It's even possible that she told about Madoka and Law of Cycles to QB in 12th episode to see what they will do with that. That was perfect Homura's plan.
Not this shit again.
But that goes against the rules of the universe.
You'd think after getting redirected to "What it Means to Err" scene 50 times, people would get it.
>nothing bad happens at all
Even Madoka's selfless wish had a consequence. Girls still had to risk their lives fighting wraiths and those aren't push overs.
Has any consequence shown that comes from Homura's actions? Wraiths don't count since their the consequence of Madoka's actions which were used as a base for Homura's world.
The consequence is Homura giving up salvation, either for as long as Madoka is separated from Madokami or until Homu can forgive herself.
She was probably a scared little girl who had no idea what was happening.
Sorry, you don't have enough entropy for such a huge wish.
After watching Rebellion again, this really doesn't seem to be the case. She didn't seem smug to me, she seemed like she was fondly remembering Madoka and telling to anyone who'd listen.
B..But... That's mere rebellion against causality!
Thank you based Homura
>What could go wrong?
I think you have a classic case of failure to suspend your disbelief. Why would anything go wrong with the universe? The end of the series seemed to suggest the universe is pretty durable, and able to smooth out any wrinkles with ease.
This isn't to say everything worked out perfect. Madoka has some serious identity issues, and Homura didn't really get what she wanted. So it's it's not like Homura got away with everything. She just got away with the physical universe.
It's a valid theory and may or may not be intentional on SHAFT's part. I guess we'll have to wait and see, huh?
>Girls still had to risk their lives fighting wraiths and those aren't push overs.
That's not a consequence for Madoka. There was the natural despair and she dealt with that wholeheartedly. How? Because she mastered the system and worked it in her favor.
Homura gave up salvation and had to end up becoming the new overseer to complete her wish. There's no direct consequence on her because just like Madoka,s he mastered the system.
Has the same validity as Homura being a cat, fuck off.
Ok, that's all still self-induced consequences. One she doesn't seem to care to much about in the first place since human Madoka is all that matters too her. Finally forgive herself for what? As far as we're shown she made everything better than Madoka ever did, the only thing she should feel guilty about is showing off once again how worthless Madoka is even when she's trying.
>Finally forgive herself for what?
Failing to save Madoka.
Allowing Madokami to happen.
Being a general fuck up.
>Madoka is worthless because Homura did something for her
Fuck off anti-Madoka fag
Whether we agree or not, Homu thinks she's been bad. That's why she says she can bear any sin and describes herself as a devil.
Fuck, I remember being surprised how beautiful that look especially considering it was done by Shaft.
None of which matters now that she 'fixed' everything.
Madoka is 'saved' as a human girl
Madokami is 'working properly' so Homura gets to keep the nifty wraith system; which also has the added benefit of preserving Madoka's wish
Homura completed all her objectives and fixed all the problems she saw.
If anything Homura should be ecstatic and joyful, depicting herself in pure white clothing like she was the true goddess. All this devil self-imagery has no place in what occurred in Rebellion unless something happened to the physical universe as a consequence.
Is like that how the movie presents thing to you, has nothing to do with hate or not at Madoka.
Telling incubators about old witch system and Madoka was very dangerous. Homura must knew it, so it should be on purpose.
Homura's new world and isolation field are very similar.
And we don't know how Homura is using incubators now.
>He thinks Homura isn't the cat
She dresses as such and calls herself a devil because she feels that to get the good ending she did, she had to defy her pure goddess Madoka. And only a devil defies god.
>Homura completed all her objectives and fixed all the problems she saw
You missed the half luminous didn't you?
You faggots always miss the half luminous.
>He thinks Homura is not a cat
fuck you for forgetting kyoko.
Only if you're dumb enough to interpret it in a very narrowly defined retarded way. I'm sure you can define Homura's efforts as "worthless" in the series too, when she helped pave the way for the most radical change to magical girls and the universe in human history.
>Madoka is physically there
>Madoka is a saint that will talk to a loner like Homura
Oh no more self-induced consequences, truly this is deserving of depicting yourself as a devil and feeling guilty for making everything the way you wanted!
>If anything Homura should be ecstatic and joyful, depicting herself in pure white clothing like she was the true goddess.
She decided all this right after being in a really fucked up mental state, where her regular self-hatred was amplified by being a witch.
Do you realize how Homura must feel? She had to destroy her best friends one true wish to protect her. It's not as simple as starting a new relationship with Madoka. She already thinks she's garbage.
The opposing argument for this is that the series was planned as a stand-alone work and that it's completely possible to interpret Homura's actions as not being a master plan. Also, her personality type isn't one for masterminding anything.
If you ask me, she didn't tell Kyubey for any specific reason because she didn't see the threat. However, the idea of taking Madoka down from the heavens could've very possibly occurred to her as despair began to fill her soul gem, before the isolation field.
And that change was a mistake, Homura should have been the one that did it because she doesn't have to sacrifice anything to fulfill it, not the useless Madoka, as the movie proves it.
Except that wish isn't destroyed, as far as we're told her wish is alive, functioning fine and doesn't need Madoka in it.
>truly this is deserving of depicting yourself as a devil
That's just some "god is dead" Nietzsche shit. When you kill god, you take on a god like level yourself. So bam. Homura is now this evil god demon thing.
>making everything the way you wanted!
She didn't, so...
Dualism anon. If Homura provokes a conflict, the conclusion will be something better than what both sides started with.
Series wasn't planned as stand-alone work since the last episode. They announced movie trilogy very soon.
Homura couldn't have done what Madoka did, and Madoka couldn't have become god without Homura repeating timelines for her.
There's obviously some problem with what Homura did in relation to "order". There's still half a moon missing, Madoka almost reawakened on the first day of school. There's still some issue here, it was just left vague and open ended since they probably aren't sure what that conflict/issue is.
It's defined as love vs law, or desires vs order, or maybe what should come first. Going against rules/order is probably selfish, as Madoka would say.
Or maybe everything really is this good with no immediate consequence. Maybe those come later? For now, can't we have a relatively happy end?
>She didn't, so...
Most of the main problems solved themselves. I don't have much sympathy when she had powers even greater than Madokami and Madoka at her side who shows no sign of not wanting to be friends.
>with my own two hands
Remember that line? Madoka wanted to be a part of the process.
No one asked for your sympathy. Just sit back quietly and let Homura take care of everything.
and Homura wished to be strong enough to protect Madoka. There's only one way to be strong enough to protect a goddess.
And that's not my point, my point is that Homura did a better job than Madoka ever did and without having to sacrifice anything or suffer any consequences.
Why should we let Madoka do something with her life when even when she's trying she can't do anything right?
There you have it. It all makes sense when you think about it. Because of this, I'm kind of glad we didn't get an exposition dump explaining how it all works.
>For now, can't we have a relatively happy end?
If I didn't find at least some merit in Homura's actions I would have just quit the series. As of now it's 4:30 AM and I'm discussing it here next to all 5 Rebellion sign boards.
Still, the tv series had a conclusion I could find closure in. Rebellion leaves it wide open and then expects us to wait for half a decade. Not to mention the chance that this really is the last movie and we'll never know the real answers other than Rebellion assuring us that nothing in the universe suffered consequences except Homura personally; which are all self-induced since she's now this great powerful deity with Madoka physically present and the incubators in a slave state.
Nothing was told.
Sayaka and Bebe were dead and now they are brought back. Madoka's wish and system are completely fucked up.
I thought that was pretty clear that Homura doesn't give a fuck about future of all magical girls.
Maybe there are no witches like before, but Madoka's wish is not working how it should be.
Great now try and convince the legion of Homufaggots who are blind to this fact.
This. Fuck your sympathy, Homura doesn't need you to feel sorry for her.
Just pay your respects and learn from her example, whiners.
Homura is the best girl. She did everything right and is going to win everything.
Well anon, no one can force you not to worry. One day, looking back, you'll realize it was the best choice in the end.
If I don't feel sorry for her then I'm not going to respect her faggot.
I'm homufaggot by myself but I'm ok with that.
>he doesn't respect people who have the balls to seize control
But how can you say Madoka can't do anything right? If Madoka didn't make that wish when she did, Homura would have gone witch right there.
The consequences to AI YO are all on Homu. She's accepted her despair and will live with it for as long as her perfect world exists. That's kinda the point of Colorful.
Stop shitposting Homura, you can't stop me from loving you.
Homura would be dead in time line 3 without Madoka. Madoka reached out and saved Homura in every time line, please don't undervalue her efforts.
Homura and Madoka go together, since it's together that they manage to change so much. I don't see how you can just separate Homura from Madoka and say "well, Madoka isn't needed".
>sucking the cock of the first authoritarian that passes their sight
Cute little strawman son.
Didn't Madoka tell Homura that saving her was one of the things she was proudest of doing? I think it was at the end of timeline 1, before she goes to fight Walmart night.
HomuMado need each other, and saying otherwise makes you a shit.
Never trust a man with authority for long, you are right there. But Homura is no man.
Thank you for that laugh.
And at the end Madoka fails to really save her best friend, the most important person in her life and she couldn't do anything for her, Homura had to interfere and correct the errors of this useless girl.
I have no clue what you're on about, but saying Madoka is useless is not okay at all.
Well I'm already looking at one hour of sleep, I think I'll leave by saying that your right that Madoka did a lot for Homura and that I suppose a sequel could focus Madoka becoming a goddess so that Homura doesn't have to bear her grief entirely on her own. Which would then lead to some sort of positive dualism ending.
Don't really feel happy with this thought, but its better than being depressed thinking Madoka's actions have been worthless. I guess it comes down to if these two could compromise and create a solution as equals.
Well, Madoka's actions were never worthless in any timeline, nor were Homura's. Without each other they would have failed time and time again. Dualism is already the ruling power.
I'm not saying that Madoka is useless, in fact I think the opposite, is the movie and Homura actions that say she's useless.
Maybe you could also say that they take turns leading, or protecting each other.
Still kinda dualistic, but it's not exactly "opposing forces".
Homura's actions say that Homura is a demon, not that Madoka is useless. Madoka isn't in an all powerful position, she is not the god of all creation, she can't do everything.
Homu Übermensch now?
I don't agree at all that Rebellion implies any of that. However, the fanart that does imply it is fucking delicious so I can't help but post it.
I didn't get that impression. She was going to kill bebe for supposedly disrespecting Madoka's sacrifice by existing. Homura thinks she's the worthless one, not deserving of Madoka's love.
Pretty much anon. That's why Rebellion to me feels like, with Madoka certain in her beliefs, that they are finally headed toward conflict and resolution.
Of course, anon! She learned to love her fate and accepts that her happiness itself is not a goal to strive for ("I never wished for such happiness!"), but rather that achieving her goals constitutes happiness in itself. I don't know about a perfect Ubermensch, but she's definitely on that ideological track, a la Junko episode 3/6.
When Madoka inevitably remembers everything, she needs to spank Homura's devil butt crimson red.
No, they need to have wild sex. Madoka should have a genre shift from drama/magical girl to hentai/yuri.
Homura would enjoy that, like she secretly enjoys being tied up.
I'm sure Madokami has a fitting punishment in mind.
This. You think Madoka is just going to have her power back so easily? She's going to have to earn that position.
WAT DA FUQ
Yes, hours of rough sex and Luminous.
Yeah, fuck talking things over. Just have Madoka and Homura fuck. That's all the fanbase wants anyway. Good storytelling? Psh. Give me yuri sex over that shit anyday.
Now why would you do that?
I don't know why you're doing this, Madoka. Everything was for you. Why are you hurting me?
If things were so simple that they could talk it out, they'd have already done that.
That's awful anon.
They didn't get a chance to talk.
Not my fault you're so twisted and hateful, Madoka.
Is Madoka a big guy?
Oh no what if it's Homura's fault?
Anyone else always wait for Madoka threads to prune before they actually do anything productive, even though they rarely post in the thread?
>"Okay Homura, you win. Let's destroy this world, so that nothing bad or sad will remain."
>"Um, Madoka, that was a long time ago, and you're really taking it out of context, and..."
What a great reversal that would be.
That's why I'm here.
There are a few types of threads that my autism forces me to stay in until pruning. Madoka threads are one of them. I'm waiting for this shit to prune so I can shovel my car out.
>Homu thinking "Oh fuck what have I done"
>Homu being dominated by evil goddess Gretchen in bed
I don't want it to happen, but on the other hand I do.
It would be interesting if they decide to explore their sexuality, after all they are full "mature" characters now but I don't think it would go well with the series
What does mahou shoujo pussy feel like?
I kind of like the idea that without Madoka in control, Madokami won't remain a doll, but rather her witch side will take control and cause a huge "oh shit" moment.
There's no need for a sexual aspect. I am very happy it will never be explored in any canon material.
Agree, but doesn't change the fact that it would be interesting to watch, at least only with Madoka and Homura.
The way I see it, they're pure as middle schoolers, but if a timeskip ever occurred then sexuality would be a possibility.
Agreed, that's something best left to be implied is going on behind the scenes. The KyouSaya hand holding carried the message loud and clear. Some MadoHomu hand holding or a kiss would be more than enough. We already got a naked space hug.
Cold and dead.
It seems likely, even though there's no evidence for it yet. Madokami and the law of cycles could have been in a delicate balance, with Madoka love offsetting Gretchen's desire to end despair through annihilation.
No it wouldn't. It'd be awkward and out of character for them to suddenly start talking about sex and dating. Very jarring and out of place.
I don't know, this was pretty lewd imo.
No but seriously, that scene is cute and touching as fuck. It's the reason why I have faith in Homura. She has hope, that's why she's doing what she is.
>It'd be awkward and out of character
>Very jarring and out of place.
Isn't that what sex is about? Especially the first time when you don't know how to act or what to do.
I'm talking from a perspective as a viewer. Madoka isn't hentai, it's magical girl. So having it suddenly turn into hentai to satisfy a niche who just want to watch megucas fuck would be stupid and out of place.
Oh, I'm not talking about showing them having sex on screen, with simply imply that they are doing it would be enough and show the consequences of this in their relationship.
That's also needless unless Madoka turns into romance like Utena or something.
I just want an hentai OVA where all the pairings go on dates but the only sex scene is Sayaka eating Kyosuke's hotdog, the /u/ shitstorm would be so satisfying.
You got a point, Sir.
I can't see their relationship becoming like that unless the next season was like, 52 episodes. There are so many countless obstacles to overcome.
Too much possibility for misunderstanding. Sex isn't something that needs to be obsessed over or included in the story, it's not that important.
Keep it to doujins, we don't need the characters flaunting these kinds of things on screen.
I agree with this post wholeheartedly. Introducing a sexual aspect is needless and has no place in Madoka.
Something like that is what I had in mind, yeah.
Magical girls is hardly a theme in the series anymore anyway, and it's all about the relationship of Madoka and Homura.
It's still a magical girl show, and it's definitely not romance or yuri. I think turning the show into some high school drama shit with Madoka and Homura dating would be stupid as fuck.
Sex scenes are usually awkward, and would be especially awkward in Madoka.
If Madoka getting homuhomued isn't relevant to the story, it shouldn't be there. The only things that weren't directly relevant or significant later were just there to introduce the characters.
We don't need to see naked Madoka running her fingers through Homura's soft hair. We don't need to hear the two of them breathing heavily and making soft little noises. There's no reason for Homura to be in bed on top of Madoka with her devil earring sparkling in the light. We don't need to confirm that Madoka has pink pubes, or that Homura has a huge chest scar. We don't need to see Homura sticking her hands up Madoka's skirt under the bleachers in school.
Man, if you like this shit so much why don't you stop dreaming about it happening in shows where it's not meant to, and just, I don't know, watch actual yuri shows?
>or that Homura has a huge chest scar.
Actually that would be interesting to know and would add a little to Homura character.
Oh no, anon. That would make too much sense. We have to force shit into anime where they don't belong. That's the only way we do business.
Madoka and Homura's stories are over, at least according to Urobuchi.
I'm sure if there's a continuation, they will still be doing something in the background. Like how KyouSaya was a pretty important relationship in the series even though Madoka and Homura were the "main" characters.
Why must you give me a boner when my niece is sat next to me?
>Madoka and Homura dating would be stupid as fuck.
There is where we disagree, I think it would be interesting, if they do it well at least.
And from the beginning I said that I see no place for that in the series but that it will be interesting.
It could probably have been done without being so lewd. Maybe at the beginning of timeline 2 when she's like "I'm still in the hospital?" she could have looked at herself in the mirror topless (but nothing lewd of course) and run her fingers along a huge chest scar.
I like the idea of megucas having scars. Maybe Madoka should have some on her arms from AI YO.
Because I'm lewd.
Yuri shows are boring as shit. This stuff is cute to read about in doujins, but to base a story on high school shenanigans alone is usually not worth watching.
You speak as if yuri is going to cause some massive uprising and cause SHAFT to turn the series into Sakura Trick S2.
I hope you're not being sarcastic. Because Sakura Trick isn't going to change the industry at all. Like, nothing.
Why can't Madoka and Homura just be friends? Why do yurifaggots have to try and ruin everything?
I would watch Meguca Trick. I already love the characters, so why not?
I don't understand it either. There's no indication that either of them want to date or fuck or anything like that. But yurifags want it to be forced. I think part of the reason is that there are very few good yuri shows, so the few good shows that hint it even a little, they jump on it.
>more passionate than any hope, deeper than any despair, this is the height of all human emotion...! It's friendship!
Yurifags? Homura even said that she did everything for Madoka because out of love at the end of the third film. It's canon.
>all love for someone of the same gender is homosexual
Shit, better tell my brother I wanna fuck him.
You've got a lot of selective listening going on. Are you sure you read my post? I'm saying there's no reason to discard all of the subject matter and themes in the series just for fanon. The creators themselves would know, because the majority of them are raging yurifags, and yet the series isn't about girls kissing girls.
Sounds like you have issues to resolve, anon.
Or perhaps I don't have a weird warped American definition of love.
>and yet the series isn't about girls kissing girls.
Y-yeah it is!! Kyoko and Sayaka held hands. they're totally fucking!!!!
What's the argument here? That MadoHomu is companionate?
Platonic love you fucking autist. Homura also isn't in the best frame of mind after going through a lot of shit.
Then you should know that what Homura feels is much more than simple friendship.
>you want to fuck everyone you love
I don't know what you're getting at. Homura love Madoka. But despite what /u/ would like every to believe, that doesn't mean she's interested in a relationship or cuddling under the sheets with her for 12 episodes.
Alright, we clearly need a HomuMado kiss to shut up the heterofags and platonicfags.
>>you want to fuck everyone you love
According to yurifriends, yes.
Don't you mean romantic friendship?
Homu is not gay.
She's really really gay. She has no interest in heterosexual relationships.