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"I Don't Want This First Story of A Certain Magical Index!! or I Don't Want This Final Story!!" confirmed for best Raildex parody so far.
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What's the arrow pointing to?
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>>101926652
No clue, must be a new character.
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>The Kamijou father and son had charged into the burning building.
>The one waiting for them was Aogami Pierce.
>“Mwa ha ha ha ha! Did you never find it odd that I was content with the position I had been given!?”
>Laura and Aleister lay thoroughly beaten at his feet.
>And he explained the entirety of his master plan.
>None of the foreshadowed elements were touched on as the story continued on.
>Kamijou’s former classmate ignored every tsukkomi Kamijou threw at him.
>The reliable spy named Tsuchimikado Motoharu made a suicide attack, but Aogami Pierce escaped unscathed.
This is pure gold.
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>>101926882
Aogami confirmed for last boss
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>>101927553
>Implying it's not Nagai
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I haven't read any of the parodies, unless that Oreimo crossover one counts. I feel like they'd make Index feel cheap. I really only read the Oreimo crossover because I really really really like Oreimo a lot. It turned out okay.
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>>101928143
Read them, they are great.
They are funny as hell and won´t ruin you the experience of reading the proper story even if you read them.
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>>101928246
One other key detail, aside from that crossover, I haven't read any of the LNs yet. I watched all of Index and Railgun, though. Are there certain points in the story where the parodies are more enjoyable or are they totally stand-alone?
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>>101928143
They're insane enough that you won't really associate them with the main story. For one thing most of them have the characters know they're in a LN.
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>>101928421
If you watched the anime it should be enough, but even so read the LNs. The story is great and the anime ended up before covering the best parts.
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>>101928421
Most of the parodies were released way back, around volume 6. Doesn't really matter when you read them though.
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>>101928489
>the anime ended up before covering the best parts.
that's the feeling I got from reading a little bit of the wiki. Do we know if there's any chance of Index III and higher being made?
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>>101928548
No current plans according to Staff. Will probably happen eventually.
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>>101928548
It´s pretty popular and one of the best selling LNs so far, but I fear Index S2 being so shitty fucked up things.
I seriously hope they do it, since "Prelude of War" and "WWIII" arc are fucking great.
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>>101928648
The fact that the Endymion movie came out so recently (2013) is one reason I still have hope. Plus Yuru Yuri S3 was more or less just confirmed, so I feel like anything could happen all of a sudden.
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>Raildex
Is this some sort of newfag thing?
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>>101928814
Face it, it's catchier than the ones with Accel shoehorned in.
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>>101928143

>I feel like they'd make Index cheap

Hey, I hate to break it to you but your favourite anime is shit.
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>>101928730
The end of that Endymion-Tan was depressing...
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>>101929225
Index is a sanshita
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>>101926282
I still don't understand why people like this series. It became fucking garbage after the protag lost his memories, and from what I understand HE NEVER FUCKING GETS THEM BACK.
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>>101933596
Did you read the LNs or at least watched the animes?
You are complaning about something that happened in Volume 1/Ep 1 or 2.
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>>101933596
Why does he need them back?
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>>101933698
*anime
I feel sick
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>>101933596
They're basically treated as two separate people. Pre-memory loss Touma is dead, and we got a new protag.
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>>101934253
At this point of the story, 96% (counting the Sisters as one) of Touma acquaitances met him after he lost his memories so no one gives a fuck about it.
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>Best parody
>Not A Certain Academy Index
get rekt
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>>101934685
This parody>A Certain Graduation SS>A Certain Academy Index
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>>101934685
A Certain Academy didn't have Mikoto and Kanzaki beating the shit out of each other, Touma and Touya with their own Misaka and teaming up in a mix of pure swag, and Aogami as the last boss.
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How many parodies has Kamachi written? It seems like the writes one once every 6-7 volumes
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>>101934843
It has Touma punching out Crowley, Kanzaki and Yomikawa seducing Kuroko with their onee-sama auras, Touma being racist against Russian English teachers, all of the Misakas eating Tonkatsu at his cafeteria, and Innocentius winning the Toumabowl
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>>101933596
If at the end he gets his memories back but loses the new ones I fucking swear
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>>101935044
Don't worry that's completely impossible since his brain cells were fried, instead he'll be a vegetable at the end
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>>101935030
It doesn't have the "shit just got real" feel of this one.
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>>101926652
>>101926764
Deep Blood you idiots
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>>101935096
Kamachi will find a way
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>>101935096
It would have been possible in one of the worlds Othinus created. If only she knew about it, it would have been the perfect scenario to get them back.
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>>101935290
Misaki could probably do it but no one trust her enough to allow her to play with Touma´s mind.
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>>101935290
I don't see what's the point of getting his memories back at this point, it really won't add anything since whatever suffering he went through as a child can't compare to the shit he's been through, at most we might see some more scenes of his parents being Best Parents
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>>101935351
No she couldn't, the braincells are fucking gone.
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>>101935351
Not to mention it would be useless unless he never touches his head again
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>>101935410
Suffering.
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>>101935410
That's up to the author, but we know that getting them back isn't that far fetched with shit like what Othinus has pulled off.
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>>101935410
That way he will remember what the fuck he is supposed to do with IB. He will also remember Misaki and that one kid with a terminal illness that he promised to visit once in a month.
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>>101935619
>that one kid with a terminal illness he promised to visit once in a month
Oh god, i'm both laughing and sad.
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>>101935619
>Kid with terminal illness
>In AC
Are you doubting Heaven Canceler, nigga?
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>>101935619
>>101935722
I forgot to mention that the kid has so OP esper power and once Touma stops visiting him he falls into despair and is manipulated into working as a killing machien by some shaddy organization.
Touma faces him and SUFFERING ensues.
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>>101935410
I think it could be a way for the author to introduce Raildex History.
There's so much stuff left untouched by the author that deserve proper screentime.
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>>101935242
That's pretty clearly a person and not a pool of blood, retard.
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>>101935764
The kids lives in Nagai Space, were Heaven Canceller can´t even make some lollipops
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>>101935982
>Crowley creates the world where he is God
>It's Nagaispace
>Touma must break the illusions of all the distorted characters
>Ends with Crowley taking the form of Nagai and getting into a fist fight with Touma
>Touma punches him out, restoring the proper Raildex
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>>101933698
Was watching the anime series, it happened around episode 6 or so I want to say so I wouldn't imply that I've only given the series a flippant chance. I'd say 6 episodes in should be enough to know if you will like a series or not.

I made it to episode 8 then dropped it like its hot when they started talking about vampires.


>>101933754
He needs them back because the only thing that was remotely engrossing in the storyline was the relationship between Touma and Index. It feels like they just kicked all that development out the window and said LOL FUCK IT REBOOT TIME.
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>>101936118
Crowley would need to turn into Saten first
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>>101936185
No one likes the anime adaption though...

Also both vampires and Index are hilariously irrelevant. The vampire one I actually like, since Kamachi introduces a secretive race that no is quite sure is real or not, who possess massive power and can hide from anyone. And then they never show up, because of course they don't, they've been hiding since Cain.

Index literally goes half a dozen volumes sometimes with little to no scenes, the title is an artifact.
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>>101936185
If you continue you will realize it changes almost nothing, even less Touma and Index relationship.
Now that I check it up, I´m surprised they spent six chapters for Volume 1. Holy fuck...
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>>101936333
I like it
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>>101936376
Does change Touma's character, just takes time to show. Later volumes establish them as very different.

Pre-memory loss Touma wanted to be useful and eventually decided to become a hero (before he dies rather after deciding that), while post-memory loss Touma thinks heroes aren't needed and just wants to live his life without being bothered.
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>>101936475
*right after
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>>101936185
>He needs them back because the only thing that was remotely engrossing in the storyline was the relationship between Touma and Index. It feels like they just kicked all that development out the window and said LOL FUCK IT REBOOT TIME.

People still care about that development?

The amount of time Touma knew Index for prior to the memory loss is approximately three days, not including the time he spent unconscious.

Compare to post-memory loss, which is approximately five months.

What the hell do you expect to change if he gets his memories back now?
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>>101936333
>>101936376
Hrm, if what you say is true and they really do drop the subject of vampires maybe I'll keep going.

I guess it is just hard for me to get re-invested in a character who I know is just acting now. Plus the common interaction of "Oh no he just met someone he knew before who he is now acting awkward and estranged to!" is getting really old really fast. It is like they feel to bash you over the head with their memory wipe plot device until you either accept it or are brain dead to it.
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>>101936617
Believe me, they only fuck with that during half of Season 1 as much,
After that people accept the way Touma is as natural and he gets legitimate relationships, even with the people he knew before losing his memories.
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>>101936617
He's not acting.

Everything he says and does is genuine. The one thing he's hiding is the fact that he's lost his memories. His reactions to Index are the real deal.
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>>101936617
Him acting weird with people he used to know stops pretty early on, since most people he interacts with are either people he has never met before, or are his classmates who he has been interacting with in-between incidents
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>>101936617
>maybe I'll keep going.
Don't. It's still shit.
You'll end up dropping it anyway unless you have the stomach for the ungodly amount of loose threads, flavor of the month damsel-in-distress characters, tasteless fanservice, and Touma saving the day somehow every fucking time.
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>>101936919
animeonlyfag pls go
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>>101936919
>loose threads
Can you spell "Anime-only"? If you like I can use it in a sentence.
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>>101936956
lel
I've read this shit until NT4.
I like it but it's undeniably dull.
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>>101936919
I would like to have the pasta of those things that will never get animated for moments like this.
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>>101936919
>loose threads

Like what? Nearly every question that's been asked has either been answer or is in the process of being answered.
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>>101937010
Not sure what you can mean by loose threads then.

Quality is an opinion and you can keep that, but the plot threads seem fine to me.
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>>101936617
His memory loss as far as personal interactions go becomes less important around 4 (with a few exceptions down the road). I mean it still comes up, but almost always in a practical context.
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>>101937205
Alright, thanks guys. I think I'll continue with the anime and if I enjoy that move on to the LNs.

I'm a little surprised at the responses, was expecting more along the lines of "wow nice shit taste faggot, gtfo and go back to narutard/boku no pico" knowing /a/.

>>101936919
>ungodly amount of loose threads
What makes you say that? I'm actually curious as I do enjoy a story that comes together in the end and leaves you with a satisfying finish that you feel covered all the bases.

>flavor of the month damsel-in-distress characters, tasteless fanservice, and Touma saving the day somehow every fucking time.

Well, I mean... I watched EVA and EoE so this isn't really a problem for me.
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>>101936919
...He's the main character. If he didn't save the day then what would even be the point of him?
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Someone have that picture of everyone in different clothing? I can't find the version that has all of them together and I can't be assed to make it myself
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>>101937087
By loose threads, I meant 'details that don't get the screentime they deserve'. This series is information overload but Kamachi never goes beyond passing details.
-vampires
-russian orthodox church
-50 years of Academy City history
-Laura Stewart
-index's past and lineage
-Touma and Accel's history
Off the top of my head.

40 volumes of this shit, and so little of it expanded upon. It's infuriating

Never mind that a lot of good aspects in the setting are never used in interesting ways.
I'd love to read about small stuff like Necessarius's conflict with the witches, Birdway's cabal activities(Mark Space SS isn't nearly enough), the treaty between science and magic, early esper development. Hell, he can probably make a few books about early Academy City weapons tech, but no the author keeps chugging on making the story even more ridiculous without filling in the blanks.
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>>101937494
Raildex fans tend to be pretty chill about answering questions so long as you don't just go "LOL SPIKY HAIRED GARY STU IS SHIT, WHY CAN'T SATEN REPLACE HIM, BLAH BLAH HAREMSHIT"

We also encourage reading the LNs over the anime, but continue on with it if you want
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>>101937494
As far as individual plots go I have no idea what that guy is talking about.

As far as the overall series goes, it's long enough at this point that it's reasonable to be nervous about it. Kamachi has laid out enough foreshadowing and gone insane enough with the way he's basically using Thelema and the progression of the Aeons as a basis that I have faith he's got a good ending planned personally. He stated awhile back he was 1/2 done or so.
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>>101937655
I'd say we got a fair amount for accel's backstory.
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>>101937545
The main character doesn't have to save shit every time y'know.
I really don't care about this aspect to be honest, but I can see how this might irritate people.
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>>101937655
Laura Stuart, and whatever is going on with Index are end game-ish material, man, the rest of that can be shunted off to Sidestories since they aren't all that relevant to the current events
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>>101937619
That image went to shit when they included faggots like Ollerus or Fiamma just because they explained some shit or acted nice
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>>101937739
Doesn't change the fact I want it.
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>>101937708
We know a lot more about Accel than we know about Touma or Hamazura
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>>101937655
So you're not talking about loose plot threads but insufficient backstory?

Vampires are basically a fandom joke at this point so I wouldn't hold my breath. Laura Stewart is pretty obvious near-end game boss material, so us not knowing much about her isn't surprising.

I mean overall Kamachi prefers to give enough backstory to let you know the motivation behind a character's actions and tie it back in later, he doesn't go into great detail is all. I like that personally tbh, the series has enough exposition as it is. We know enough to have a good idea.

That's just me personally though, I can understand if other people want more details about things they're specifically interested in.
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>>101937655
>vampires
That would mean relevant Hiemgami so never
>russian orthodox church
The WWIII arc touched this
>50 years of Academy City history
I don´t see why is this important, must probably we will know a bit when Crowley´s keikau enters into his final stage
>Laura Stewart
Just like Crowley, she will remain a mistery until she makes her move
>index's past and lineage
They showed a bit but it isn´t so important either
>Touma and Accel's history
This has gotten a lot of attention
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>>101937721
He "wins" by someone else helping him all the time and there were situations like Hawaii or Baggage City when he either fucked up things by saving someone or didn´t saved anyone.
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>>101937837
Hamazura's backstory is unneeded since all we need to know about him is that he was an unsatisfied Level 0, who became a thug because of how unfair he thought things were, knowing that he has for example, three sisters, and that his mom is a druggie wouldn't add anything
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>>101937655
>Vampires
Vampires were literally introduced for the sole purpose of making Himegami useless. She's supposed to be "an unfortunate girl who can never become the heroine". Thus, vampires were created. Her power specifically targets vampires, but vampires are crazy good at hiding. We'll likely never see them because that's the reason they exist.

>russian orthodox church
This is not a "hanging thread". It's an organization that exists. That's all. There's nothing that we particularly need to know about the Russian Orthodox Church. They were introduced primarily to show that the world is a lot bigger than what's merely shown in Index.

>50 years of Academy City history
This, too, is not a "hanging thread". If a story takes place in Los Angeles, would it be required of the story to show the entire history of the city? No? Then why would we need to see the history of Academy City? Until it becomes relevant to the plot, it cannot be considered a hanging thread. It's literally just a background element.

>Laura Stewart
We'll get to that eventually. What, do you want ALL of the story's mysteries to be explained right from the get-go?

>index's past and lineage
We'll probably get to this too.

>Touma and Accel's history
Touma was an unfortunate child who got caught up in a lot of bullshit and was sent to Academy City by his parents to keep him safe.

Accelerator was enrolled in the Power Curriculum Program, got his power, and accidentally harmed a child with his Auto-Redirect. This resulted in a series of events that eventually caused the city's military to try to apprehend him. This was the start of his "darkness". Eventually, he was approached by some scientists and was asked to participate in the Level 6 Shift incident. And the rest is history.
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>>101934943
They were mostly released around volume 6.

There are 5-6 of them I think.
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>>101938138
I can't even imagine what Othinus vision Touma is like, shit must be bananas
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>>101937890
>>vampires
>That would mean relevant Hiemgami so never
I'm well aware.
>>russian orthodox church
>The WWIII arc touched this
Little more than basic details.
>>50 years of Academy City history
>I don´t see why is this important, must probably we will know a bit when Crowley´s keikau enters into his final stage
>index's past and lineage
They showed a bit but it isn´t so important either
I don't think I explained myself enough. This isn't about details being important to the main Crowley plot, this is about immersion and wasted potential.
>Touma and Accel's history
>This has gotten a lot of attention
Again, just very small snippets. I don't think it got enough. I mean, this shit should be good opportunity to add aspects to their character.
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>>101938260
He's basically a concept at that point.
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>>101938280
Not really. Touma's memory loss means any additions to his backstory are meaningless.

Accelerator is far more defined by his relationship with the sisters than anything else. That said, I would definitely read a LN or manga that focuses more on his past, seems interesting. Accel manga may or may not do that.
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>>101938280
What I meant is that half of the things you are complaining about hadn´t been shown YET because they are related to Crowley and Laura´s keikakus.
It´s like complaning because they hadn´t explained what IB really is. It´s not that Kamachi is omitting things but he is waiting for the right time to reveal them.
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>>101938410

>It´s like complaning because they hadn´t explained what IB really is. It´s not that Kamachi is omitting things but he is waiting for the right time to reveal them.

We have a fuckton of volumes already.
English-translated, each volume of Index has about 50-60k words.
50,000 words * 40 volumes = 2,000,000 words
And all we get is a few lines.
When is the right time?
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>>101938679
The last volume/arc
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>>101938679
When we get to the arc in which Crowley makes hsi fucking move.
After the GREMLIN arc we are probably getting some Science Side adventure, related with Takitsubo´s power or something like that, and unless Kamachi decides to add another arc we should had the following 10 volumes dedicated to Crowley´s keikaku.
Kamachi said that Volume 22 was half of story, so I guess the remaining 12 volumes will be about end-game shit.
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>>101938889
>More Science Side
Fuck 'em, unless it involves Kazakiri being important, in which case it is sort of fine
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>>101938980
Kazakiri will be involved in the end-game shit due to her relationship with Aiwass
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>>101938980
Science is always 1 volume long anyways
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>>101939061
Unless it involves a bit of magic, like with Ichiharanasai
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>>101939043
I'd love to see how these two met
I imagine Kazakiri being all happy at the beginning because she was no longer alone in the imaginary number district only to find out how much of an asshole Aiwass is
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>>101938679
>2,000,000 words
It kind of amazes me that so many people devote so much time to this series.
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>>101939165
Don´t they know each other already? Doesn´t Aiwass "posses" in order to be able to manifestate in the real world?
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>>101939212
Yes, but I'd like to read how was their first encounter
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>>101939167
Easier to take in when it's spread out so much. If it was all one book it'd be impossible.

Reading through an Index volume only takes a few hours. They're only 300-350 pages each.
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>>101939167
Well, you either finish it or drop it a the first volumes
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>>101939296
I know alot of people just start at volume 14 since that's when the anime ends.
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Kuroko reappearing in the story when?

;_;
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>>101940167
Not even Othinus could bring Kuroko back to life.
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Amakusa SS Chapter 6 is complete:
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index:Necessarius_Chapter6
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>>101940326
I love you
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>No posts about In Memoriam

Did that faggot finally go to sleep?
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>>101940439
Shhh...don´t summon him
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>>101940326
Based man. Thanks.
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>>101940326
Thanks mate
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>>101926282
So who won Touma?
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>>101940326

Has anyone ever told you that you're a pretty cool guy?
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>>101940986
Best girl.
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>>101940986
Touma's true love is coffee.
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>>101941222
No that's Accelerator's.
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>>101941263
Touma drinks it more though...

Which you can't really blame him for.
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>>101941263
Accelerator's an NTRing bitch.

>Kamijou, in the depths of homework hell, had reasoned that it would be a long-term battle that would last to tomorrow morning, so he had gone to the corner store buy some canned coffee. But today, the brand he normally bought had just gotten sold out, with not a single can left. Just when Kamijou had been thinking about which bastard had taken all the stickers that could be traded in for free stuff for himself, he got caught by Aogami and Tsuchimikado.
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>>101935242
it seems to be some sort of maymay, sorta like Akari in YrYr
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>>101935242
>>101941323
>being this new
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>>101937655
>vampires
they mention them and it's implied we don't know if they're real, the arc about vampires was my least favorite anyway
>russian orthodox church
It's mentioned in Angel Fall but the person allegedly from the church was the angel so we don't ACTUALLY know anything about the church except that it exists and we know the real name of one person from that church
>Laura Stewart
She's somewhere in the series, the name rings a bell
>index's past and lineage
this does need more info
>Touma and Accel's history
Touya (Touma's dad) mentions Touma's childhood briefly in Angel Fall, talking about him having bad luck, Accelerator gets some flashbacks to his childhood in which he was attacked by firearms and tanks, etc. (Accelerator's flashback was during the arc where Last Order had a virus)

>40 volumes of this shit, and so little of it expanded upon. It's infuriating
I sorta feel ya. I haven't read the LNs yet, but I understand how much was left out. I downloaded them all and I intend to read them. I recently showed Index to a circle of friends and we finished season 1 already. We're almost halfway done with season 2 and I don't know if I can convince them to watch Railgun too. Anyway, I watched all of Raildex less than a month ago and since I'm re-watching it now it's all pretty fresh in my head. Now is probably a great time to start on the LNs I downloaded.
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>>101941430
not new, just can't always into /a/'s "humor"

maybe that makes me new, regardless of time spent here; it's like I'm resisting assimilation but still showing up to hang out
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>>101941663
Not sure why you'd want to assimilate with this shithole anyway. We act like we're some sort of elite club, but when you get right down to it, all we are is a bunch of basement-dwelling neckbeards who like to hold onto shitty in-jokes way past their expiration date.
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>>101941488
We know they're real, unless Himegami is full of shit. It just doesn't really matter. The whole point of vampires is they don't involve themselves in anything and are ridiculously good at hiding. And from comments it seems like they're around Saint-level, so they're strong enough for no one to fuck with them and weak enough that they can't do anything about the world-ending shit anyways.
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>>101935982
> Heaven Canceller can´t even make some lollipops
Dammit Jim, he's a doctor, not a cook!
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>>101941856
>The whole point of vampires is they don't involve themselves in anything and are ridiculously good at hiding.
I can agree with this
>And from comments it seems like they're around Saint-level, so they're strong enough for no one to fuck with them and weak enough that they can't do anything about the world-ending shit anyways.
this is too "out-there" for me, though
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>>101935619
>That way he will remember what the fuck he is supposed to do with IB.
Based on the anime, he seems to be more confident in knowledge of his ability in the present than before memory-wipe. He never even called it Imagine Breaker until after his memories were wiped and Heaven Canceler talked to him.
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>>101942048
I thought he called it "Imagine Breaker" the first time he talked to Index.
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>>101942048
Terra was more than likely full of shit. Fiamma and Ollerus both seemed to think he knew what he's talking about, and they're both full of shit as well.
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>>101941965
You actually make a good point. Heaven Canceller is clearly a powerful person, but he also mentions that his "battlefield" is in the hospital with his patients. I feel like he heavily implies that his skills are relevant as a doctor, and that outside of hospitals and shit he wouldn't be able to do a whole lot.

I'm not sure how lollipops are made, so you could also argue that any person as old as Heaven Canceller looks should just know how to do something so simple, I guess.
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>>101942109
He was right about IB having an intangible form, though. Sure, Touma has to have his arm removed to use it and it's only useful temporarily because his arm grows right back, but in that time period it's able to function without a physical limb to manifest in.
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>>101942141
Candy is trickier to make than you think. Sugar is a finicky thing to cook with in large amounts.
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>>101942109
Terra was full on so many things that shit seems like the most normal of them.
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>>101942108
>I thought he called it "Imagine Breaker" the first time he talked to Index.
I just re-played the first episode and skipped to their first conversation. 11 minutes in if you wanna check too, he just talks about his "right hand" and possessing a "weird power". He never says Imagine Breaker.

This is one of many many many cases where it could just be an adaptation issue. I'm not yet sure if he says Imagine Breaker in the first volume of the LNs
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>>101942141
>>101942224
I doubt the lollipops Febri needed to live were made in the same way as normal lollipops.
And even so, creating them enters within the things he should be able to do...considering he saved Aleister´s life and put him in a machine that expands his lifetime for 1700 years
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>>101942141
In his youth he was apparently an amazing scientist that created the Dark Legacy, which can keep a freaking pile of organs alive and has artificially provided Crowley with mana for 50 years. I feel like creating some freaking lollipops shouldn't be beyond him.
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>>101942141
>>101942224
If I understood the Nagaispace stuff correctly, Heaven Canceller's issue there was the fact that Febrie wasn't human but was instead some artificial being that simply happened to look and act very much like a human. Still seems silly for him or somebody who works with him to not be able to figure out how to replicate the lollipops, but I guess it's like how he can't really do much about brain injuries despite working magic for any other sort of bodily harm.

Or maybe STUDY had a monopoly on the ingredients. Fucking proprietary formulae.
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>>101942330
>“Then show me something, Halloween girl! You aren’t going to believe my Imagine Breaker until I destroy something with my right hand anyway. C’mon, fantasy head!”
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>>101942429
The dude was Aleister BFF at the time. One call to him and every single member of STUDY would had been sent into the Abyss and forced to eat semen cookies.
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>>101942526
I thought the two of them had drifted apart before then. At any rate, HC didn't go to Aleister for help during the Level Upper crisis either.
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>>101942623
They drifted apart during the Vento Invassion thing, which happens way later.
That arc of Railgun takes part before the Daihaiseihai.
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>>101942526
>>101942623
> "Hey, Aleister, I've got a question--"
> "I know. Did you try adding semen to the recipe?"
> "...Nevermind, I shouldn't have called."
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>>101942720
> 26. Then saith the prophet and slave of the beauteous one: Who am I, and what shall be the sign? So she answered him, bendingdown, a lambent flame of blue, all-touching, all penetrant, her lovely hands upon the black earth, & her lithe body arched for love, and her soft feet not hurting the little flowers: Thou knowest! And the sign shall be my ecstasy, the consciousness of the continuity of existence, the omnipresence of my body.

> 27. Then the priest answered & said unto the Queen of Space, kissing her lovely brows, and the dew of her light bathing his whole body in a sweet-smelling perfume of sweat: O Nuit, continuous one of Heaven, let it be ever thus; that men speak not of Thee as One but as None; and let them speak not of thee at all, since thou art continuous!

>62. At all my meetings with you shall the priestess say -- and her eyes shall burn with desire as she stands bare and rejoicing in my secret temple -- To me! To me! calling forth the flame of the hearts of all in her love-chant.

>63. Sing the rapturous love-song unto me! Burn to me perfumes! Wear to me jewels! Drink to me, for I love you! I love you!

>64. I am the blue-lidded daughter of Sunset; I am the naked brilliance of the voluptuous night-sky.

>65. To me! To me!

>66. The Manifestation of Nuit is at an end.

Crowley is kinky.

Also Mikoto being the Nuit of Toaru is now kind of strange, but also fitting.
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>>101942720
>the glasses guy from STUDY was actually using semen for Febri´s lollipos
Now I udnerstand why he looked like he was enjoying something all the time
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>>101942872
> that men speak not of Thee as One but as None; and let them speak not of thee at all, since thou art continuous!
Wait a minute. Mikoto isn't Nuit, Will-tan is.
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>>101942920
> the glasses guy from STUDY
Didn't they all have glasses except for Shinobu?
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>>101943007
You know who I´m talking about, the one with short hair that could had raped Misaka if he wasn´t a faggot.
And yes, they all had glasses and loved touching them.
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>>101943107
I didn't realize Baba had a brother.
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>>101943107
I like how the girl is like "What the fuck are this guys doing with their lives"?
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>>101943146
He was the one who got him out of that bunker.
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>>101943300
>Implying he didn't go insane in there and kill himself
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>>101943300
Baba's dead dude.
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>>101943300
>>101943341
>>101943368
I wan to believe
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>>101943712
Saraku will get better and save him. Don't worry.
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>>101940326
So is Itsuwa the main protag in this side story?
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>>101944660
It´s called "Amakusa SS" and Kaori already appears in Norse Mithology SS.
Since Tatemiya is kill, Itsuwa is the only possible protagonist.
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>>101944748
So she was pardoned/acquited? Or did she break out?
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>>101944819
She break out using hot towels
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Damn those sneaky, sexy Amakusa.
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Casual vento where?
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>>101945875
Next never
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>>101945875
When they animate NT 9 and it will be only for like 3 seconds
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>>101945929
>yfw Haimura already made it for one of his preliminary attempts for the illustrations of NT9 like the one with the bunny girl from NT7
>yfw it won't be released until after NT10 is released
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>>101945875
NT10 when Touma and Othinus are on the run and are in need of an escort.
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>>101946028
That would be Oriana´s role. She will appear with her car and ask them if they need a ride,
I know NT10 is going to be a "Touma vs everyone" thing but I would love it if some people sided with Touma and it ended up becoming a battle between the real Touma Faction and the faggots who don´t appreciate lvl 0 Touma
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>>101936333
>Index literally goes half a dozen volumes sometimes with little to no scenes
Wrong. Pre-NT, Index has more screentime than everyone else except Touma. Here's the top 10:
10 *231 Itsuwa
*9 *263 Hamazura Shiage
*8 *288 Last Order
*7 *309 Kanzaki Kaori
*6 *419 Stiyl Magnus
*5 *508 Misaka Mikoto
*4 *540 Tsuchimikado Motoharu
*3 *720 Accelerator
*2 *892 Index
*1 1897 Kamijou Touma
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>>101947779
>Index
>Stiyl Magnus
>Kanzaki Kaori
>Itsuwa
What did you (or whoever made it) took into account to make that ranking?
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>>101937655
>-vampires
Practically extinct. Read vol 2.
>-russian orthodox church
What do you even need to know about them?
>-50 years of Academy City history
Read vol 3, vol 6, vol 13, vol 19, vol 22. The rest will be covered in the endgame. You should know this if you're actually reading the text instead of just browsing wiki articles.
>-Laura Stewart
Do you expect to immediately know everything about the second-to-last boss? Wait for her arc.
>-index's past and lineage
Irrelevant. Why aren't you worrying about Stiyl's past and lineage?
>-Touma and Accel's history
What the fuck are you even talking about?

Things that are very obvious or those that can be easily deduced from the available information don't need to be expanded upon.

>Necessarius's conflict with the witches
>Birdway's cabal activities
What you're asking for are just more SS novels for wiki fodder. Wait for more anime seasons and you'll get them.

>the treaty between science and magic
Stiyl SS.
>early esper development
Vol 6.
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>>101937721
>The main character doesn't have to save shit every time y'know.
And he doesn't. You'd know this if you'd really read the novels as you so claimed.
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>>101939165
They already met. Read vol 20-22.
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>>101944819
I forgot if there was a set date, but this is supposed to take place early in the series, some time after the events of vol 7.
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>>101947859
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14088076
Presence, basically. It's from this video. This is the full top 30.
30 *105 Fiamma, Aogami Pierce, Misaka 10032
29 *110 Vento
27 *112 Angelene, Fukiyose Seiri
26 *131 Lessar
25 *133 Yomikawa Aiho
24 *141 Takitsubou Rikou
23 *145 Himegami Aisa
22 *148 Knight Leader
21 *151 Oriana Thomson
20 *162 Shirai Kuroko
17 *163 Carissa, Musujime Awaki, Kazakiri Hyouka
16 *168 Tatemiya Saiji
15 *192 Agnese Sanctis
14 *193 Etzali
13 *199 Tsukuyomi Komoe
12 *203 Orsola Aquinas
11 *211 Acqua
** *224 Sphynx
10 *231 Itsuwa
*9 *263 Hamazura Shiage
*8 *288 Last Order
*7 *309 Kanzaki Kaori
*6 *419 Stiyl Magnus
*5 *508 Misaka Mikoto
*4 *540 Tsuchimikado Motoharu
*3 *720 Accelerator
*2 *892 Index
*1 1897 Kamijou Touma
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NT10 better has the motherfucking TouMAN princess-carring Othinus and telling everyone to step the fuck aside.

And an illustration of >His harem's face when.
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>>101948562
Fuck you and your paint skills, I thought the illustrations were already out.
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>>101948517
And this is for the anime (Index I and II only):
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14149893
rank - % screentime - character(s)
42 *4 Uragami, Amai Ao
40 *5 Lidvia Lorenzetti, Aureolus Izzard
39 *6 Etzali
36 *7 Laura Stuart, Misaka Misuzu, Kamijou Shiina
34 *8 Misha, Kihara Amata
32 *9 Sisters, Uiharu Kazari
25 10 Lucia, Musujime Awaki, Vento, Sherry Cromwell, Itsuwa, Angelene, Aleister Crowley
22 11 Tsuchimikado Maika, Tatemiya Saiji, Kamijou Touya
19 12 Yoshikawa Kikyou, Fukiyose Seiri, Oriana Thomson
17 15 Heaven Canceler, Agnese Sanctis
16 17 Kazakiri Hyouka
15 18 Yomikawa Aiho
13 19 Misaka 10032, Orsola Aquinas
12 20 Aogami Pierce
11 23 Kanzaki Kaori
10 25 Last Order
** 28 Sphynx
*8 29 Himegami Aisa, Shirai Kuroko
*6 34 Tsuchimikado Motoharu, Tsukuyomi Komoe
*5 36 Accelerator
*4 41 Stiyl Magnus
*3 50 Misaka Mikoto
*2 76 Index
*1 93 Kamijou Touma
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>>101948608
Those paint skills are certainly good, but sadly they're not mine.
Have a loli.
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Ok, you guys are going to have to forgive me, but I have not read the Necessarius SS (wanted to let it finish instead of waiting for months). So you might have to guide me through this.

Ok, so. I have down "Flack Anchors and Crew" in my notepad. Wiki says he's a part of a magic cabal. My thing here is, would it really be appropriate to name him specifically? Because I'm thinking of just making an "En Masse" tab and labeling it "Dusk Waiting to Awaken" instead, similar to the Amakusa tab.

Continuing from there, I have no real clue where to place them and Freadia strikers. Suggestions?
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>>101950245
She beat the entire cabal + Amakusa using a special armor from Sword Sanctuary
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>>101951304

I see. Thank you.
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>>101951523
But at the cost of her own life, if I recall correctly, it was slowly killing her.
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>>101951632

Noted. I'll get around to reading it and make small adjustments if necessary.


Continuing on, anyone got the Colored version of Estelle?
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>>101951674
This is the only thing that exists.
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>>101951876

Exactly what I wanted, thanks.
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>>101951876
You know, I'm still not entirely sure what Kamachi's planning to do with this series.

I mean, the Railgun manga was pretty obvious: expand on Mikoto's character and show what kind of trouble when she's not around. Alright, that's nice and all.

But what could you possibly expand on in the case of Accelerator when he's already the second-most prominent viewpoint character in Index and he also goes through some of the largest character development in the series?
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>>101952251
Money
You can make money
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>>101952348
I just feel that Accelerator's probably not the best character to use for a project like this. I mean, the only candidate that's worse would be Touma.

...Then again, if you're talking about popularity, then I guess he's really the next best choice.
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This shit is taking way longer than expected. Fucking spacing issues with portraits. I think I'm the only one that gives a fuck if its off by a few pixels, but it's still making my autism flare up. I'll leave it to a later version though for the sake of time. ETA is a few more hours. That aside;

>Expand the canvas so I can have more room
>a leftover section of a portrait that extended past the bottom border shows up now
>my fucking face when it's Frenda's lower half

I swear to fucking god, it wasn't intentional
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>>101937721
Really? Because in my opinion its one of the more retarded complaints I come across.

I can understand alot of the shit that get flung at the series, but this one is especially annoying.

Its literally
>How dare the MC succeed! I wanted him to fail.
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Looks like another one just got done: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=41575148
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So when is the Whore of Babylon/Scarlet Women gonna show up? Is she gonna be yandere for Touman? Is she gonna be Aleister's ex-wife?
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>>101955893
>yfw it's Index
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>>101940326
Have chapter 7 raws been uploaded yet? I should receive my copy in a few days.
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>>101956260
Surprisingly, yes.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=522304
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I fucking hate that bitch Mikoto
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>Touma's perfect day
>Make breakfast for Index, feed the cat
>Piss off Index somehow, get bitten
>Go to school, barely pay attention in class
>Make Komoe cry due to his lack of attention
>Talk about stupid shit with Tsuchimikado and Aogami Pierce
>Piss off Fukiyose
>Make Himegami depressed with an innocently insensitive comment about her lack of unique traits
>Be forced to stay after class for supplemental lessons
>Head home
>Meet Biribiri on the way, trigger her tsun switch and get chased around for ten minutes
>Just barely miss the daily supermarket sale
>Finally make it home, Index is pissed because he's five minutes late with dinner
>Get bitten
>Have dinner
>Sleep

>tfw those days are long gone...
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>>101958763
Now you've done it
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>>101958786
>bitten
Touma deserves hugs, not critical-damage bites.
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>>101958763

Ok?
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>>101958763
Too obvious, Mugino.
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>>101956315
That doesn't include the SS raws.
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>>101952598
Accelerator is popular so he is the best here. Not most cool or interesting like Kakine. But best anyway,
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>>101959908
Don't know, I'm still downloading with my shitty internet connection. ;_;
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>>101959941

Kakine get off of /a/.
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>>101958786
>Touma's perfect day after NT10

>Wake up next to cute and sexy Magic God
>Make breakfast for Othinus, feed the cat
>Get a kiss from Othinus because the breakfast was delicious
>Go to school, barely pay attention in class while thinking about Othinus' perfect legs
>Make Komoe cry due to his lack of attention
>Be envy of classmates because of hot gf
>Fight Tsuchimikado and Aogami, win thanks to ancient loli kung-fu mastery
>Avoid Fukiyose's attack because it's nothing when compared to God's deathwall
>Make Himegami depressed with an innocently insensitive comment about her lack of unique traits
>Be forced to stay after class for supplemental lessons
>Barely pay attention, while working out new revolutionary magic theory
>Head home
>Walk peacefully, because Biri sits locked in her dorm an cries all day and night
>Make it home, get a greeting kiss from Othinus in naked apron
>Eat the dinner Othinus made for him
>Laugh while thinking about Stiyl dealing with Index' shit right now
>Make a pure love with Othinus
>Cuddle with Othinus and sleep
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>>101960399
>Written by Othinus, please R&R
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>>101960435

>every story on fanfiction.net is just Othinus applying another layer
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>>101951876
>those faces
>dat deviantart-tier coloring
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>>101960435
Everyone can dream, anon.
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>>101960477
>yfw the parody volumes are now canon
>yfw the Oreimo crossover is now canon
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Oh yeah, I have this
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>>101958763
>>101959851
So is this chick EVER going to confess her love to Touma?

I would be so much more committed to the series if they even remotely acknowledged that they care more than a normal person does about each other. Right now it seems super one-sided with Touma saving every woman in need, caring about them enough until they fall in love with him, then moving on to the next chick.
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>>101961224

>not 99.9%
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>>101961278

Raildex is not a romcom, those are just side elements played for laughs. No one is going to win da Touma bowl.
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>>101961278
If she did the series would collapse because of the hundreds of girls fighting over Touma.
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>>101961278
the author doesn't care about it and he never thought people cared about it
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>>101961430
>No one is going to win da Touma bowl.
Fuck I hope that isn't true, I don't need some kind of happily ever after ending but I really want some kind of acknowledgement of their feelings at least.

>>101961511
It seemed like as the series progressed most of the girls kinda accepted the allotment Touma had gave them but it always felt like Mikasa had room to actually develop into a legitimate romantic interest.

>>101961587
All I'm saying is it wouldn't take a lot of effort on his part to round out the story a bit.
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>>101961278
But Touma DOESN'T treat anyone as special. Everything really is just one-sided.
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>>101961278
When she grows a backbone and do it at the END of an arc, you know, it's not like NT Touma goes to the hospital afterwards anymore.
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>>101962331
It's not relevant to the "story", and the "romance" is completely one-sided.
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>>101962331
The romcom aspect of the series has always been secondary.

In fact, its presence has significantly diminished over time. Most volumes would only have maybe half a chapter's worth of focus to the romcom part of the series per volume, but occasionally, that aspect would even get ignored outright.

This seems to be the list of priorities Kamachi's been using for New Testament:
Gremlin stuff > The true identity of Imagine Breaker > Touma's development > Academy City conspiracies > Accelerator's "muh darkness" > Romcom

It's pretty low on the list there.
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>>101951876
That reminds me, my Estelle-Misaki chokefucking picture never got finished in the drawthreads.
Time to pester them about it again
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>>101962341
>But Touma DOESN'T treat anyone as special.

Maybe you and I have simply been reading/watching a different LN/Anime but it sure as hell seems to me like Touma DOES view Index/Mikasa as special/important to him.

>>101962770
The "story" is starting to go off the deep end with all the occult stuff, I don't think rounding out some of the relationships already built upon would be entirely irrelevant.

>>101962861
I can understand why it would be secondary especially in this series but often times it feels like the author bait and switches you too often. He implies a romance or even goes out of his way to show how someone feels about someone else but then completely drops any and all notions of it in the next panel/frame/scene.
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If you were able to decide who will be Touma's roommate instead of Index, who would you choose?
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>>101963755
Himegami
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>>101963755
Mark Space or Hamazura.
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>>101963755
Hamazura
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>>101963755
Fukiyose.
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>>101963755
Aliester
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>>101963755

Super Hamazura and Accel. Hilarity ensues.
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>>101963755
Mikasa and her 10,000 sisters.
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>>101963644
Index is special, though not necessary in a romantic way.

Vol.5 really hammers the point home about how he feels about Mikoto, though. To Touma, Mikoto's "important", but Touma generally sees everyone as important. I think he's come to appreciate her more recently as of NT3, but there's nothing romantic about his feelings for her. He barely even treats her like a girl.
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>>101963755
WORST and Umidori for lulz
Othinus or Will-tan for pure love
Lessar for rape
Biri for cute awkwardness
Birdway for cute dictatorship
GUTS Team for pure awesomeness
Himegami for Touma's sanity
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>>101963644
That actually starts happening a lot less starting from around vol17.
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>>101963755
Gunha.
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>>101964464
>Touma
>Sane

I'm sorry anon, but its too late for that.
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>>101963755
His wife Othinus.
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>>101964828
She's not a waifu, just a slutfu
His waifu is in England, waiting for him to mature enough so that she can pluck his boycherry from the tree
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>>101965243
>blush
And who is a slut now?
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>>101965313
She's pure. That's why she's blushing, she's showing embarrassment over being seen naked by a member of the opposite sex.

Othinus purposefully walks around showing off as much of her body as possible. If that's not slutty behavior, then I don't know what is.
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>>101965405
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>>101965540
It should be illegal to be this sexual.
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>>101965596
No, it should be legal
That way, we can persecute the imperfect ones and breed them out of existence by not impregnating them
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>>101940326
>Aili Hexenphobia
That's it, barring Heavy Object, this is the most ridiculous name Kamachi has made up
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>>101940326
>>101965781
Also, there are a lot of plot twists.
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Why does the magic side have so many breedable women?
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>>101935242
Who?
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>>101926282
>I Don't Want This First Story of A Certain Magical Index!! or I Don't Want This Final Story!!
Is this some sort of /a/ fanfiction about TouMAN and TouDAD?
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>>101965781
Stephanie Gorgeouspalace is his best one, forever and ever.
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>>101966171
Because women like the concept of magical powers, not science/mathematics you fucking nerd.
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>>101966404
The magic is so much more researched than Aleister's heresy.
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>>101940326
So which pound country is she from?
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>>101966321
>yfw js06 is a master trole
>yfw what we read is not a real Toaru but his fanfiction
>yfw it's just a glorious ruse of unseen scale
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>>101966850
I gotta say that would blow my mind pretty hard
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The PDF download links for Heavy Object seem to be broken. Is there anywhere else I could get them? I really don't want to use the baka-tsuki PDF generator.
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PDF maker anon are you in here?

I wanted to know what software you used to make pdfs, also if it does epubs
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>>101968117
I just use Word and Acrobat. I don't really know how to use anything advanced like LaTeX.

As for epubs, I'm not sure, since I've never used them.
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Really nice. Now I want more Raildex versions of this done with other girls.
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>>101972128
>possible NTR backstory
Replace Touma with that Aztec guy, or Misaka with her
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>>101972203
touma doesn't need a crack addict in his life
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>>101972128
What does the moon say?
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>>101972203
Didn't someone joke about switching all the girls around so Touma got Rikou, Accel got Index, and Hamazura got Last Order and everyone was happy?
Touma got his big breasted Onee-san, Index was permanently fed by Accel, and Hamazura fixed LO with a PSP and a paperclip
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>>101973270
My Japanese sucks but I recognize 恋人 as "lovers"
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Alright, I'm not done with this yet and I haven't bothered to make it look pretty, but I need a break from this for today, and I think it's done enough to where you'll be able to adequately discuss it.

I'm going to be going to work soon, so whatever problems/suggestions you guys have, I'll look up later on the archives.

Oh, and before I forget: I'm seriously considering just taking out the Railgun Exclusive Border. It doesn't look that great unless it's grouped together (which a giant pain in the ass when you are trying to get accurate placements). And I keep having to turn them back to black because Kamachi keeps referencing/having them drawn. And with the Accel Manga coming out (notice Estelle is normal), I don't want to make yet another border just for it. Unless you guys are really opposed to it, I'm probably going to take it out in the following version.
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>>101972128
Still waiting on Index.

I still don't understand that meme.

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>>101973647
Thanks.

(success) is still misspelled as (sucess) though
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>>101973647
The railgun exclusive border is unneeded. I'm all for removing it.
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>Segway
>Support
Just like I hoped
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>>101973647
Thanks for doing this. Railgun border isn't necessary.
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Which vol does anime stop at? And is there any book-only material I should check out?
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>>101974024
Stops as SS1, which is between 13 and 14.

And the anime butchered the LN so bad it hurts, so yeah, read it if you're curious.
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>>101974024
>And is there any book-only material I should check out?
Everything, the anime was terribly done excluding OP/EDs
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>>101973647
Isn't gungnir Othinus the same as success Othinus?
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>>101973647
Should Ureapaddy Exica be that low? I mean under special circumstances she can wreck the planet so bad it's orbit gets fucked up.
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>>101973647
I'm all for removing the Railgun exclusive as well. Especially if it makes it easier on you
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>>101973647
Poor Biribiri, even her awakend form is weak as fuck.
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>>101973875
Segway/Washing Machine combo will be the final boss
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>Going through Railgun manga
>Check out ITEM fight chapters
>One chapter has a takitsubo cover
>Hamazura's behind her

Neat.
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>>101974827
if there was some control involved then she would be much higher
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>>101974929
You forgot a certain vending machine.
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>>101973647
>Exterior-Mikoto that low

That's a load of bullshit if I've ever seen one.

The sheer firepower she's shown outclasses anything we've seen even Saints do.
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Sorry Unlucky, but I can't allow this kind of anti-T propaganda.
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>>101975078
Maybe Rensa29-tier, but the thing is she can't control it an probably never will
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>>101975121
>The sheer firepower she's shown outclasses anything we've seen even Saints do.
The problem with that is shoot bangs alone don't make you particularly strong
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>>101975121
>The sheer firepower she's shown outclasses anything we've seen even Saints do.
and? most saints are about their physical ability and could probably handle her with ease since they are easily as durable as GUTS and a shit load faster
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>>101975121
What are you talking about? She doesn't even have the best lightning feats, both Thor and Mjolnir are still the stronger lightning users.
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I can't see exterior mikoto as being on Thor's level and he's not much abover her.
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>>101975121
You seem to think of the chart as a linear increase in power
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>>101975311
I don't know, fire power is a big thing, ofcours the reason for her being so low is because she can't control it, but if she could control it she could probably whip the ass of, atleast, original Kakine without breaking a sweat.
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>>101975525
You're underestimating the power of Dark Matter a lot.
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>>101975525
>as strong as original kakine
Not at all, the dude was a complete monster that was only taken out due to having to fight someone more bullshit
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>>101975567
You underestimate the affect of high dmg AOE.
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>>101975121
She has only destroy a couple of blocks, nothing impressive. Misaka caused more destruction in Russia with her level 5 powers
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>>101975651
High damage AOE has never been able to do shit to me in MMOs. It's overrated.
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>>101975191
this is hilarious, thank you
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>>101975651
that will do a lot of good when HE CAN FUCKING FLY
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>>101975752
He's also at least as fast as Gunha, who can literally punch down lightning.
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>>101975381
I'm still calling bullshit on the idea that Fraulein Kreutune is more powerful than her. We've never seen Fraulein show greater feats than excessively high durability and the ability to shoot microbes.

>>101975428
Are you kidding? The feat pictured here alone completely dwarfs those arc fusion blades of Thor's. Not only that, but her power has been steadily increasing since then. Neither Thor nor Mjolnir have shown anything close to the sheer output that Mikoto has.

Not only that, but Touma even theorizes that Mikoto would be able to create her own arc fusion blades if the idea ever came to her.
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>>101975687
Thing about it is that it's impossible to dodge so you can't just jump around avoiding it.
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>>101975752
Prety sure mikoto can fly, atleast she doesn't touch the gound. Also havn't she brought down lightning from the sky before?
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>>101975832
nigga has dark matter, just block it
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>>101975900
Just like he could block Mugino's lasers, right?
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>>101975822
> The feat pictured here alone completely dwarfs those arc fusion blades of Thor's
Having lightsabers a kilometer long beats showy lightning
>Not only that, but Touma even theorizes that Mikoto would be able to create her own arc fusion blades if the idea ever came to her.
Obviously, but the mechanics of it would make it much much weaker
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>>101975944
Mugino doesn't use simple electricity though.
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>>101975900
Pretty sure his dark matter has an uper level to the amount of dmg it can take, accels tornados destroyed them for example. No imagine this>>101975806

Except constently.
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>>101975822
Hah no.

>It was moving in a giant circle that had a radius of 20 km. Bluish-white sparks flew along seeming to trail it. Like that, the Throwing Hammer drew a clean circle. Its speed increased. It was not fixed in place. It rapidly moved up like the curve of a quadratic function. In just the 10 seconds Kanzaki had been watching, the enemy's actual form had disappeared from view, leaving only the giant bluish-white glowing circle visible.

>It was much too ominous a phenomenon to be referred to as an angel's halo.

>From the flow of magic power, the circular symbol, and the Thor's hammer form the magician existed in, Kanzaki was able to guess what was coming next.

>She unhesitatingly fled.

>A bluish-white beam of light appeared coming from below and heading up as if to stab into the heavens. It shot straight through the center of that 20 kilometer radius circle.

>Immediately afterwards, a third of Radiosonde Castle was utterly annihilated.

And given the Castle is 20 km long, that's 6.6 km destroyed. And the next after that says it was literally vaporized.

And Thor did this.

>But those massive arc fusion blades had indeed sliced through not just the nearby containers but the entire district.
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>>101975525
Kakine should be able to create a dark matter shield to block electricity and heat. He would also have no trouble destroying her metal spheres.
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>>101976014

>>101975822
Mean this
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>>101975899
She doesn't has as much experience in aerial combat as Kakine and Accel, also dodging lightning is easy
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>>101965512
Because she's showing she's not a pussy or a piece of weak shit. Haimura's logic trumps assumptions. Orsola more of a slut.

However, I like both.
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>>101976034
Wasn't that Mjolnir?
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>>101975381
Not really. Even Kanzaki the Jobber has outdone that with her 1 v 1 Angel fight. I admit it's powerful but you're underestimating the bullshit tier that saints fall under.
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>>101976082
See this
>>101975822
It's not that easy to dodge.
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>>101976141
The first one was yeah.

Thor did the second one. Though with Mjolnir attached he should be at least as strong as Mjolnir.
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>>101976141
It's essentially the same thing, mjolnir acts as a generator
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Is this usually how Misakafags react when her power level is questioned?
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>>101975121
Considering Kanzaki can resist the force of and cut through Gabriel's wings, which can destroy entire mountains just from their physical force, i'd say Kanzaki is significantly stronger.
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Has anyone had their level downgraded? Is that even possible? Mugino should be embarrassed to be classified as a level 5 after her ludicrous displays against Shiage.
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>>101976372
>Still not knowing what level 5 means
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>>101976372
Biagio got dropped alot after people pointed out him being comparable with Mikoto is bullshit.
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>>101976342
You have been here for years, troll-kun. You should know by now.
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>>101976372
It's probably possible if extenuating circumstances happen, like with Accelerator's brain damage
Except not on Accelerator since the fucker's still overpowered even with 15 min of power a day, but you get what I mean
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>>101976456
People are ranked above him presumably because they should be able to at least survive for 15-30 minutes, which is all they need to do to win.
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>>101976456
we postin manga accel now?
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>>101975944
Their first fights ended with Mugino running, twice. After when she helped Accelerator fight him Kakine was practically inmortal and didn't bother to defend at all.
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>>101976372
Still the biggest bullshit in the novels that made absolutely no sense.
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>>101976504
I meant actual AC Level ranking, not power level chart
I thought that was the question
>>101976513
Sure
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>>101976520
she was attacking with her crotch anon-kun, she wasn't thinking straight
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>>101976342
Actually this is them being rather calm in my experience.
Not even an accusation of trolling at it being pointed out that she's mid level.
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Kakine never gets any respect.
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>>101976456
It was a direct downgrade.

Post-Vol.5 Accel has only half the calculation ability of Vol.3 Accel. If they were to go head to head in a display of pure power, Vol.3 Accel would stomp easily.

However, I'd still rank Post-brain damage Accel higher due to the increase in skill, control, finesse and tactics he'd gained since then. Vol.3 Accel was an idiot whose battle strategy revolved entirely around
>A. Stand around like an idiot
>B. Charge in head-first like a moron

Frankly, current Accel would probably be sickened at how pathetic he was.
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>>101976669
Kakine is the biggest jobber in the series.
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>>101976677
Is calculation ability directly related to attack power?

I thought that would just affect how complexly he can use his powers.
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>>101976669

Fuck Kakineball, Beetle 05 is love.
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>>101976677
As I said in >>101976562 I thought the question was about AC level and only used Accelerator as a comparison
But yes I agree with you. Though it is also true that pre-brain damage Accelerator pretty much never battled anything worth a shit and he could afford to just stand around. He was just mostly getting attacked by delinquents, never fought any of the level 5s either and they're mid-level in the grand scheme of things
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>>101976726
It is when your attack power is directly related to how good you are in maths
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>>101976718
That's Stiyl, anon
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>>101976632
I'm not arguing for normal Mikoto.

I'm saying the battle probably hasn't gone longer than maybe half an hour tops. Mikoto has been steadily rising in power since her forced awakening.

That black ball of energy can't be normal, even in the context of this series.
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>>101976855
well then of course men are the strongest level 5's
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>>101976677
It's fucking bullshit that they made him a noScoop sharp shooter over the course of one scenen where he practiced shooting.
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>>101976726

In a practical sense it just means he can reflect more complex shit, and maybe he can't pull of the plasma thing anymore. Also he still had the Kihara weakness.

Post-brain damage Accelerator actually surpassed that with his wings, that shit ain't just your normal vectors anymore
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>>101977016
Well of course he's a crack shot, anon. His powers practically mandate it.
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>>101977016
He was already really good at shooting even before that scene
Granted he's supposed to be super fucking smart but I don't get how exactly that makes him so good at aiming with a shotgun that he was using as his crutch while his powers are off
Or maybe Hound Dogs are just really bad at what they do
I mean they weren't even able to shoot Touma
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>>101976967
We've got no clue what it is, we can't use it in terms of power levels.

Though it kind of matches the description of that black sphere Othinus used that destroyed space itself.
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>>101976677
Where did you get him only having half the calculation ability?
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>>101976788
The thing is that the gap between levels is so abysmal that even after being nerfed you still are more powerful than the ones below you
See Awaki for example, even after she lost her ability to teleport herself she remained as the strongest teleporter in the city
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>>101977157

>>101977238
It's probably got nothing to do with that.

However, it's almost definitely significantly more powerful than that giant long distance lightning bolt strike she used on Calculate Fortress.

And she'll probably continue growing in power until she's either disconnected from Exterior or she croaks.
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>>101977261
>“That day, my brain was damaged alright. Looking at me now, you should know, right? That I can only use the electrode and let the calculation work be done by others, right? If I enter a place where I can’t receive the clones’ electrowaves, I can’t let the clones do the calculation work for me. And even after therapy, I don't know if my recovered power is half of what I originally had. The battery of this thing can only allow me to fight for 15 minutes—”

Though this is a non-js06 translated volume, so it's hard to tell what it means.
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>>101977157
Him being able to take out those poeple at the hospital was bullshit.

As a matter of fact, doesn't it sometimes feel like they prolong his ability to use his power? The fight with kihara in volume 12 seemed to alst far more then one minute. And during the battle royal arc he used the same 30 min battery for the entire day.

I mena, if you're going to make his time limit completly arbitrary by making him him defy time within it then just fucking make the time limit longer. And why didn't Kakine just wait him out anyway? Didn't he know? How could he not know?
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>>101976372
Mugino is extenuating circumstances in general. She literally cant hit her max output without self destructing unless she eventually turns into some sort of energy or nonphysical being of some sort.

>>101976726
Partially. the calculations thing generally sounds like bullshit at certain parts of the novels and i suspect it's just a buzzword AC uses on the students so that they don't realize they're doing magic. Level is mostly determined by the magnitude said powers can reach when testing as well as the AIM field.

>>101976936
Even stiyl wins fights. Kakine literally has the upper hand then gets bitched out in 1 shot by utter bullshit in every fight except the last one where he simply becomes a volleyball.

>>101976967
MIkoto would have been an attack target for WW3 if that wasn't something the magicians could handle. Again I'm not saying it's nothing but it's not got me sold yet since gunha and touma can still easily handle it casually while trying to not harm her.
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>>101977157
It's not that odd. Accelerator's always had unnaturally good aim with his powers.

Being a good shot is merely a natural extension of what he's already shown to be capable of doing.
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>>101977395
FWIW, the "And even after therapy, I don't know if my recovered power is half of what I originally had." part was redone by js06, so at least that part should be accurate.
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>>101977409
If he turns it off literally just after every scene we see him in, it works out alright timewise.

And you'll notice Kakine uses his time limit against him the second time they fight. He's much more subtle that time. The first time he's full of pride and wants to show his superiority by piercing Accelerator's reflection.
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>>101977334
Yes, that's true. But that's because the two cases we had were the strongest level 5 and a level 4 close to being a level 5, so even after the nerf they were still strongly at their levels
>>101977486
He missed a fuckton while messing around with Touma
Though that could've been on purpose since he usually likes to play the fear card
>>101977409
There's always the "talking is a free action" thing, if you were to take dialog into account some punches take like one minute to connect
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>>101977409
He usually charges his batteries between fights
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>>101975107
>Gunha will never live happily with his Vending Machine waifu
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>>101977477
>easily handle it

Gunha's been getting tossed around like a rag doll. Even if they've been holding back, I don't see him coming close to beating her. He's not quite Saint-class, after all. Even if he has the physical parameters of one, he's nowhere near as skilled.
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>>101977477
>Even stiyl wins fights. Kakine literally has the upper hand then gets bitched out in 1 shot by utter bullshit in every fight except the last one where he simply becomes a volleyball.

Well, he completely shit on Mugino/Saiai
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>>101977477
>MIkoto would have been an attack target for WW3 if that wasn't something the magicians could handle
I would argue that the mikoto exterior arc hadn't been writen or even thought up when WW3 arc was writen. And it doesn't really look like they're handling ti casually in the latest chapter, it doens't even seem like they can get near her, they can simply block her mindless attacks.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/to_aru_kagaku_no_rail_gun/v08/c067/21.html
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>>101977564
>He missed a fuckton while messing around with Touma

A moving target is harder to hit than a stationary one.

Every single time he fought the Hound Dogs, he had the advantage in terrain or surprised them with a sneak attack. He led them into closed spaces where they wouldn't have much room to maneuver. Furthermore, he was using a machine gun. Those things are designed specifically so that you wouldn't have to worry about aiming.

The only thing messed up about it is the fact that a skinny kid with no prior firearm experience is capable of handling that kind of weapon without blowing his arm out of its socket.
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>>101977668
They managed to run away fine, really
Though honestly he probably did fuckall in those fights and just let Measure Heart fuck with Mugino while he was talking shit
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>>101977477
If magicians didn't target Accelerator, what the fuck makes you think they'd target much of anyone?

The only one they paid any amount of attention to was Imagine Breaker, and even then it was only because Fiamma was after him.
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>>101977668
>Well, he completely shit on Mugino/Saiai
You act like that is an accomplishment
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>>101977600
he could have easily break her neck with his amazing punch instead of throwing Touma if he wanted to
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>>101977862
We don't know if her durability is amped or not.

Accelerator's white wings amped his natural durability after all.
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>>101977862
It doesn't even look like they can get close to her, also she can teleport and fly.

>>101977668
>>101977668
Mugino was mutilated by a lvl 0.
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>>101977668
And he defeated that scientist from MEMBER
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>>101977486
he had good aim because he literary could control projectiles while they were going toward his foes, it doesn't work like that with a gun.
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>>101978130
Once they're out of his AIM field he can't really control where they're going unless he's using like a whip
Shit I just imagined Belmont Accelerator
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so after the index series is done do you think haimura will go back to drawing porn of blond loli's?
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Reading Volume 21, shit's great.
Carissa a best.
pls tell me she's still relevant in NT
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>>101978364
she's still relevant in NT
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>>101978364
she ded
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>>101978364
I'm sorry anon
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>>101978434
She has a nice cameo at least.
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>>101978356
He got best artist at least once so I'm sure he'll have plenty of people wanting his d after Index is done
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>>101978508
(note every year is actually for the year before it)
2010 - 12th
2011 - 1st
2012 - 2nd
2013 - 3rd
2014 - 1st

Yeah, people will want the H.
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You know, it's occurred to me that magicians don't actually have an absolute advantage over espers.

Espers, especially Level 5s, have one huge advantage that magicians don't have: they can do anything that's within the range of their abilities without prior preparations.

Magicians always need something prepared in order to do anything. Stiyl needs his rune cards, Birdway needs her magic tool, Oriana needs her shorthand index cards. Even Thor, with all his power, only used those arc fusion blades of his in Thunder God mode. Most likely, if he was asked to shoot a railgun or use magnetism to create an iron sand sword, he wouldn't have been able to. Magicians aren't like espers; they don't have the exceedingly high calculation ability to use whatever they want on the fly. In order to do anything, they must first think it up prior, and handle all the calculations and preparations manually. A magician can't just go "oh, I need a certain amount of voltage and manipulate the electricity in a so-and-so way in order to produce so-and-so" effect and do it on the fly. They need to perform complex calculations, research and testing before they do so. Thor relies primarily on those arc fusion blades because he's already prepared everything he needs in order to use them. A magician, therefore, can only produce a "switch". They "switch" their powers on and off on command, but those switches can only do what they're designed to do in the first place. Even most curses require some sort of prior preparation in order to use, like the target's hair or nails or whatever.

A Level 5 like Mikoto, on the other hand, has no such restrictions. She merely has to understand the theory; after that, she can perform all of the necessary calculations in her head and do whatever she wants as long as its within the scope of her power immediately after she thinks it up. She doesn't need prior preparations. That's a pretty huge advantage if you really think about it.
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>>101978508
But he loves lolis so much
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>>101978651
It would be if top magicians weren't prepared all the time
And then there's the issue of Saints
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>>101978651
Yeah, but magicians are "active" while Espers are "reactive" (Kamachi himself said this in one of the afterwords, can't remember which one), so the magicians always already have their preparations done.
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>>101978651
she's still weak like babby compared to the good magicians
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>>101941263
Anyone have that gif of Accelerator just loading his basket up full of coffee
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>>101978762
Even so, it's still a big advantage.

It's said that no plan survives contact with the enemy. And it's impossible to plan for EVERY possibility. Even if you have a counter for everything Mikoto's done in the past, you can't possibly prepare a counter for everything she could POTENTIALLY do in the future.

Espers are geniuses. I doubt Thor understands the full scope of the limits of electricity nearly as well as she does.
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>>101978651
Espers are still only human, though. A lot of tougher magic side people are insanely superhuman.
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>>101978892
>I doubt Thor understands the full scope of the limits of electricity nearly as well as she does.
He doesn't have to. It's magic he wain't gotta explain shit.
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>>101978651
Easily mended with technology. We saw a dude hit a tier of magic theoretically suitable for fighting saints simply via using a snow machine which is exactly why there's a treaty to keep them away from tech with AC.
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>>101978762
Also, Touma proves that magicians aren't capable of preparing for every possibility.

For all his accomplishments, Touma's combat ability is actually really low. Do you really think that a high school boy with a right hand that can negate magic is that strong? Even with that right hand, most magicians have the advantage in terms of raw power, versatility and range. It's because magicians are weak against wild cards that Touma continues to get the upper hand on them.
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>It's said that no plan survives contact with the enemy.

Yeah, I mean who knows when the President of the United States of America is going to show up out of no where and ruin your plans.
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>>101978892
Yeah, but a magician's spells don't have to actually make sense.

>A third of Radiosonde Castle had been annihilated.

>An avalanche of wreckage did not rain down on the Kanto region because the massive amount of energy had blown away the third of the fortress to the extent that not even dust remained. That spell was powerful enough to forcibly destroy the ozone layer and it was similar to a solenoid coil. The Throwing Hammer had continually revolved around that circular orbit while carrying a massive amount of electricity. That had given the electrified air in the center of the circular orbit a vertical vector.

>...That explanation alone seemed to make sense, but the attack was actually physically impossible.

>With just the laws of science, the phenomenon created some inconsistencies.

>But magic compensated for that and forced it to work.

Of course Espers don't have to make sense either, but unlike others like Kakine, Accel, and Umidori, Mikoto doesn't seem to understand that very well.
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>>101976186
Speaking of, shouldn't that be reflected in the chart?

Thor normal, Thor with Mjolnir attached.
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>>101979102
Has he ever used it on-screen? I don't remember him doing it
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>>101979166
He doesn't have to have it near him.

Thor without Mjolnir can only extend his lightning blades about 10 m and use the disguise spell.

To use his super strength and extend his blades to 2km, he needs to hook up to Mjolnir.

He doesn't need it to go Almighty Thor though, but we don't know what that mode can do.
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Did Index become a jew?
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>>101978948
Machines also have that same weakness. A machine can only do what it's designed to do.

Why do you think the FIVE_Over Modelcase_"RAILGUN" is inferior to Mikoto despite having superior firepower? It's because it can only do that one thing. That's the fatal weakness of machines in this context. A machine can't do anything; a machine can only cover what its creators might have predicted. Even if a magician can reach Saint class with a machine, that's still not enough to cover for the fact that they simply cannot plan for every single possibility.
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>>101979189
My sides.
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>>101979189
I can't stop laughing at his face.
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>>101979052
>>101979254
Also, I'd have to say that this is probably the biggest reason Saints are so superior. Saints will always have that one card naturally available to them. Even if they lose all of their cards as magicians somehow, their super speed, super strength and super durability is the one thing that they can always count on.

Unless they absorb an angel's telesma or something.
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>>101979389
Yeah, but according to Acqua, a Saint needs magic or else they'll rip their own bodies apart with their strength and speed.
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>>101973647
>>101979102
>>101979230
Linking so Ulucky can find it

I'd need to look back on it, but isn't his super strength from his belt, not Mjoliir?
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>>101979635
>“The Lightning God Thor was a god of superhuman strength. Throughout all of Norse mythology only two could use the lightning hammer Mjölnir because of how damn heavy it was. My spiritual items include his belt. I hold the name of the god of war said to be even more powerful than the god that ripped apart Fenrir’s jaws. Do you really think a mere bridge is going to be enough to crush me!?”

Yeah, think so.
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>>101979432
Thats what I like about Kamachi, he manages to write overpowered characters without making them too overpowered
Even a Magic God has limits to what she is able to do with her powers
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>>101979857
index is looking pretty moe there
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>>101978651
Taking this into account, it's really only natural that Touma's developed the way that he has.

The best way to beat a planning-type enemy is to disrupt their plan with spontaneity and on-the-fly reactions. If he tried to outplan them, he'd only end up catching himself in a never-ending loop of self-doubt. "I can counter their preparations with so-and-so...but what if they already planned for that? In that case, I'd need to..."

And he's be stuck in that sort of loop.

Instead, he analyzes his opponent's cards as he goes along and works out a way to dismantle them one by one. Trying to plan ahead would make room for hesitation, so he nips that hesitation in the bud and charges in straight on.
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>>101979254
Neither can an esper or even crowley at this time.
Magicians do unduly focus on one route for their powers but so does everyone else unless it's a versatile power or the magician knows alot of spells.
Mikoto isn't more versatile because espers are. she's more versatile because she automatically has a larger range of control due to being electromaster and not make a lightningboltmaster while there is no specific control lightning spell.
Magicians by their very nature try to use a basic power and use it in a unique or versatile way.The fetus magician was all from a single good luck charm and she creatively used it to expand towards summoning goddamned dragons.
The real difference is that the higher tier espers get improved perception like accel being ale to sense infra red, UV, varous types of everything simply because if he couldn't he wouldn't be able to filter it, MIsaka being able to see electrons moving about,

Magicians are just as able to adapt as espers are. Eg Kanzaki using her water skis to survive a tidal wave.
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>>101979956
Although he is getting more keikaku doori recently
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>>101963644
>The "story" is starting to go off the deep end with all the occult stuff
I don't think you actually know what the story is about.

>rounding out some of the relationships already built upon
See Hamazura. Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that you don't even know him,
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>>101980158
That's due to her natural athleticism.

It's a fact that magicians simply do not have the calculation power of espers. Their technical intelligence will always be inferior. Level 5s are certifiable geniuses in their respective fields.

Of course, the #7's field is Guts.
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>>101980341
While there is a basic intelligence enhancement I'm not so sure about that genius stuff simply because there are normal humans that greatly exceed the espers in intelligence runing around without any esper modifications.
To put it this way. if you type on a keyboard you're making calculations as to what keys to press what order, how your sensory input tells you the process is going, what the words are before translating them into proper spelling, and so on. A few years ago a computer/robot designed to actually make it's own choice as to where it wants to go took 20 minutes ( I think. it was a long time ago) simply to calculate "left or right?". Number of calculations makes you think it's unreasonably complex but in reality it's more along the lines of move it this way and I think this thing will happen. The human brain does more calculations than you realize every second. Being able to catch a ball or time an attack doesn't make you a genius despite the extreme complexity of what to the human brain is a simple task.
Otherwise biribiri wouldn't be the only one stupid enough to NOT figure out it's Touma's hand during all this time when everyone else figures it out in seconds.
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>>101980158
Everything Freyja did, just like everything nearly every other magician does, is the result of large amounts of prior preparation.

If Freyja wanted to create an entirely new technique, she'd need to work on it beforehand.

A sufficiently-high level esper, on the other hand, as long as they understand a theory that's relevant to their powers, can probably perform it immediately just by working out the calculations. They don't even need prior practice; as long as they understand the mechanics of what they want to do, it's all just a matter of processing the calculations in their heads. The higher the esper's level, the faster they'll be able to complete those calculations. A Level 5 would be able to complete them in an instant. They can do whatever they want within the scope their powers instantly. All they need is the idea.

That's part of the reason why Index herself is so dangerous. She has the schematics for an insane number of spells in her head. She doesn't need practice; all of the required steps are already laid out in her head. She doesn't need anything other than herself. She doesn't even need magic tools of any sort. She doesn't need to do any sort of research. If she wants to shoot a laser, she just needs to look up the page she wants and she'll have one ready immediately. If she wants to produce a giant flame sword, she can create one near-instantly. That's most likely why her powers were sealed; she not only has near-unrivaled power, but she also has the ability to use that power whenever she wants without any sort of effort whatsoever.
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>>101980341
No it was actually due to the water skis.
She analyzed the spell and found the loophole for it which was related to a Norse god of blah blah blah and skiing which led her to use the waterskis as the spell used against her could not drown anyone using skis.
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magic fags trying to keep the biri down
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>>101980792
No, but being able to use the hydrogen in the air and the ocean to grant herself flight in the Liberal Arts City SS without any prior practice probably requires more calculation ability than the average human has. She'd never even THOUGHT of doing something like that before. She got it on the first try.

If a magician wanted to do that same thing, they'd need to create a symbol, item or whatever that would allow them to do so. And whatever they prepared would only allow them to do that one thing. A magician can't just create a new spell on the fly.
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>>101981003
Oriana can
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>>101981057
No she can't. All of her shorthand spells were prepared beforehand.
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>>101981003
Someday Stiyl will be able to use as many flame swords as he pleases.

Unlimited Flame Works
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Holy shit this is hilarious.
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>>101980925
They are the same people that would make stupid posts like "Why didn't Brunhild just drop the sword and annihilate her?"
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>>101980846
Not really. I recall Misaka had to work on making a railgun for quite some time. so it clearly wasn't an instantly learns how to do it thing. You're mistaking the innate versatility of some of the powers for the humans automatically having versatility.
Accelerator isn't versatile because he's an esper. he's versatile because vectors control fucking everything.

Science when applied to the magic side is just as versatile. The magic side however is generally banned from such research.
The advantage isn't in the powers.
>>101981003
Except it's just basic electrolysis. The improvisation isn't the powers being more versatile. it's from her being allowed to actually apply science for her powers while magicians get attacked with a kill squad later if they decide to use that idea or look too hard at a high school science textbook.

>>101981183
That's easy. She really likes chopping. Shit. she could have just picked up a rock and tossed it for a killshot like Cuchulain.
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>>101980925
It's the same person. Note his lack of capitalization in some sentences and same writing pattern.
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>>101981258
But it IS more versatile.

Tell me, how do you think she was able to calculate the exact output she needed in order to create those wings? Do you think you could instantly calculate everything you'd need down to the last equation in order to create that desired effect? On the first try? In an instant?

The railgun thing was probably at a lower level. As a level 5, her brain's processing power is near-unrivaled.
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>>101981431
Was Mikoto the only level 5 to work her way up from a level 1?
I just can't imagine Accelerator, Kakine or Mugino at lower levels, since their powers are so powerful by default. Maybe Misaki
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>>101981505
yes
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>>101981505
Yes, Mikoto was the only Level 5 who started as a Level 1.

The others might have started at maybe level 3 or 4, though.
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>>101981431
Meanwhile Uiharu and almost every scientist/Kihara outside of nagaispace is smarter than her despite none of them being a viable lv 5.
Calculation ability is clearly not indicative of intelligence.
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>>101981557
Accel and Gunha were always level 5, Kakine was also probably
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>>101981505
They all started at level 1 except for Gunha whom is a gemstone. Mikoto is just the poster child because she's the least insane among them.
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>>101981663
Was Misaki already a level 5 when Dolly happened?
I don't remember if it was outright stated in the manga and I don't remember the chapter it happens either
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>>101981622
...No one ever said this.

Though Mikoto IS smart enough to do university-level courses, so there's still that. The higher calculation ability does seem to have an effect on an esper's overall intelligence. Three of the seven Level 5s have been shown to be multilingual, with Mikoto knowing no less than three languages other than her native Japanese, and all of them are familiar with the scientific theories related to their powers. If you asked Mikoto anything related to the subject of electricity, she'd probably be able to answer it all easily.
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>>101981663
>Accel and Gunha were always level 5, Kakine was also probably

But this was never stated anywhere. Not once is it ever mentioned that "Accelerator was always a level 5 from the moment he got his powers". The text doesn't exist.
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>>101981750
I think she was but I am not sure
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>>101981750
Yes.

She had an entire facility dedicated to the research and advancement of her power. Only Level 5s have that.
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>>101981622
>Uiharu
Nope. She didn't outhack her, she just encrypted the data in a way that is almost impossible to recover it at all.
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>>101981622
Well fuck Kiharas are the smartest people out there
And Uiharu has got really good hacking skills but she isn't extremely smart at anything else, or at least it doesn't seem like it
>>101981821
Accelerator was surrounded by AC as soon as he got his powers, if we're to believe the flashbacks, though they were probably exaggerated. Plus, how would his power work at a lower level? He could've been less smart so maybe he wouldn't be able to do fancy shit with his vectors but he'd still have the ability to reflect fucking anything
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>>101981780
Give up anon, some people will believe she is stupid and incompetent no matter what evidence you show to them.
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>>101981908
At first, Accelerator couldn't control his auto-redirect. Lack of control usually means lower level. If he couldn't even control his auto-redirect, I doubt he could have done half the stuff he's capable of doing now, even if he'd thought of it back then. The auto-redirect is the most basic power he has.
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>>101977477
> the calculations thing generally sounds like bullshit at certain parts of the novels and i suspect it's just a buzzword AC uses on the students so that they don't realize they're doing magic.
The mechanism might be bullshit, but the calculations do seem to be required and improper calculations do have an effect on the result (which is why Raildex teleporters are so nerfed).
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>>101981821
>He hadn't always been the strongest in Academy City.
>At first, everyone thought that he was just stronger than those around him.
>However, when it rained, it poured.
>And to him, the greatest calamity was that his power was a lot stronger than what he had thought.
>The youths of the same age who rushed at him had their bones fractured on a single touch.

It is not clear but to me it is implied he was level 5 but the people surrounding him didn't know it
and for Gunha, he is a level 5 because he's a weird power, and he always had this power so we can asume he was a 5 from the begining
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>>101981780
I dare say that's easier to understand when you can actually perceive what's happening.
>>101981908
With accel it has to do with the number of calculations and the speed. You can overwhelm him with more things to have to manually divert but you cant overwhelm him with a higher magnitude of force. also a bit of control like that other anon said.

>>101982070
Yes and no here. It's a bit easier to visualize a gust of wind than it is to visualize the process for going through something something dimensions. The visualization is technically a calculation. However all the complex math and science is more for controlling in a believable manner to the user than changing output.
The fact that you can skip out large chunks of calculations is quite interesting.(that guy who could teleport behind people at a range exceeding his level simply because it was behind people.) Logically doing so should mean jack shit. Why does oho I'm behind you matter to 11 something dimensions?
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>>101982524
>I dare say that's easier to understand when you can actually perceive what's happening.
Level 5s ARE generally smarter than the average person, though. Mikoto herself is pretty much an honor student. Her brain's unnaturally high processing power likely does, in fact, have an effect on her overall intelligence.

The only Level 5 who probably isn't a bona fide genius is probably the #7, who doesn't even understand the things he does in the first place.

>Logically doing so should mean jack shit. Why does oho I'm behind you matter to 11 something dimensions?
He uses his target as a reference point. Normally, a Level 4 Teleporter can teleport anywhere he or she pleases so long as they can work out the 11th dimension calculations. Kill Point couldn't do that, so instead he has to assign "targets" for himself.

To put it in simpler terms, let's say there's a game with a teleport skill in it. Normally, that teleport skill would only allow you to teleport to assigned targets. That's what Kill Point can do. He assigns a target for himself and teleports directly to it. But a normal Level 4 Teleporter lacks such restrictions. What they can do is basically look at the game's code and teleport anywhere in the game's map. They can instantly calculate and move wherever they want without restrictions, regardless of whether there's a target there or not. Kill Point can't see the code, so he can't do that.
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>>101981908
Maybe like that girl from Item, don't remmeber her name, who's power is supposed to "mimmick" accelerator or something but she's only able to have a protective barrier.
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>>101982992
Saiai
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>>101982992
Thats because she has his defensive patterns in her mind not because she is weaker
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>>101983194
Saiai is too lewd
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>>101983194
>Image still using capitals for Item

Man, I really need to go through and fix that.
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>>101983301
That fucking dress of hers is so hng
I wonder if her pussy also has Offense Armor
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>>101983359
>That accelerator
What the fuck, did he turn in to a mexican in his mid twenties suddenly?
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>>101983446
He's just going through a phase anon
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>>101983529
a mexican phase?
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>>101983627
A very very edgy phase
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>>101983652
But that shirt was reppin mexico hard
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>>101983652
When is Touma gonna punch the edgy out of him? He's taken a little bit out each time, I feel one more'll completely blunt the edge.
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>>101980892
> the spell used against her could not drown anyone using skis.
This reads like something /tg/ would come up with.
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>>101983756
I think he's at a good level of edge now
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>>101983756
He seemed pretty chill in NT7, maybe Will-chan's lecture made him realize the error of his ways
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>>101983756
He needs that bit of edge. It adds variety to the story.

Touma's the soft and gooey one, Hamazura's the vaguely-shaped mildly prickly fuzzball and Accelerator is Shadow the Edgehog, with all the terrible fandom that entails.
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>>101983756
I dont think they will fight again
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>>101983760
It's mythology shit.

Like how spells based on Cinderella end at sunrise, Jesus spells are weak against spears and thorns, etc.
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>>101983760
Magicians basically munchkin for a living, so...
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>>101983904
I was referring to the "find some obscure corner case/loophole that nobody would normally think about and exploit the hell out of it" aspect, not the no-harm-to-skiiers clause itself.
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>>101983976
Well they kind of have to do that.

If they didn't then they'd be walking masses of weak points. Nearly every single mythological entity has some sort of huge, obvious, easily exploitable, painfully crippling weakness. If magicians didn't exploit loopholes, they'd have died out centuries ago.
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>>101983756
Is Albino something more then a Stiyl tier punch material now?
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>>101983848
>Accelerator is Shadow the Edgehog, with all the terrible fandom that entails
Nailed it.
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>>101981780
Accelerator is also a brain surgeon.
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>>101984436
Pretty sure converting brain signals to computer code, editing the code then converting it back to brain signals is a lot more complicated than brain surgery. Especially when you only glance at the code before smashing the tablet its on.
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>>101983446
Hey I don't dress like that.
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>>101985175
Shut up Jose, not everyone can were a sombrero and poncho all the time like you do.
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>>101985208
You talking shit about my sombrero and poncho? They were gifts from my granpa you sack of shit.
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>>101985254
Ahh go back to working on your mariachi band.
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What if, there was an esper whose brain solved P=NP?
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>>101985790
N=1
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>>101985790
Who says P even needs a reason to equal NP? I'll destroy that fucked up illusion of yours!
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You know, I bet Touma would pass his classes with flying colors if someone else's life was on the line, or he was being attacked by a magician and his passing was necessary for his survival.
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>>101986560
He would pass his classes with flying colors if he actually attend to classes
Komoe said he was a truant even before he met Index
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Did that one fag ever do his homework after he destroyed it with that crossbow?
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>>101986808
No.

As a result when he went to class the next morning, he had no homework to turn in.

He got in trouble for that. The rest of the class rejoiced, though, since he'd be taking the brunt of Komoe's attention, taking the heat off them.

Fuckers don't deserve Touman in their class.
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>>101986892
Nobody deserves Touma. He has been used and abused for a long time.
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So I'm watching the anime and I'm about 20 episodes in now and did I miss something big?

The show is suddenly just about Accelerator and his new Mikasa buddy? I keep waiting for them to switch back to Touma but... it just isn't happening.

>mfw the end of episode 19 credits roll and I realize I just watched an entire episode about Accelerator.
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>>101988033
Oh man you're going to hate Season 3.
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>>101988033
Accelerator is a favorite character of Kamachi's. Brace yourself for an edgy ride.
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>>101988168
>>101988509
This isn't reassuring me at all guys. When does it go back to Touma? How long are the Accelerator portions of the story?
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Okay let's assume that J.C. Staff no longer has the rights to animate the third season and beyond.

Which studio would be the best to pick it up and adapt it well?
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>>101988033
Accel gets a lot of screentime but Touma is still the main character and gets way more screentime.

It will switch back to him soon and stay with him for a long time.

>>101988509
Kamachi's favorite characters, at least since the last time he was interviewed, are Hamazura and Acqua. He also finds Mikoto the easiest character to write, for whatever reason.
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>>101988720
>He also finds Mikoto the easiest character to write, for whatever reason.
I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.
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>>101988638
Not long
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>>101988638
He's one of the three main protagonists.
If it makes you feel any better later on the will of all the Misaka comes together to tell him to stop being an emo bitch or she's cutting him off from the network so that he's a vegetable. Also she prefers Touma but is letting him play with LO and WORST(BEST) to stop him from being an emo bitch, and seriously accel. I didn't let you waste all this calculation space to be an emo bitch.
Also all the clones hate him but simply lack the hardware/software to express their utter rage at him


>>101988720
I suppose my info is pretty out of date given how quickly kamachi.exe starts writing.
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>>101988809
>Where's that idiot?
>B-b-b-baka.
>Touma shows up
> *biribiri*
>Fukou da!

Rinse and repeat.
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>>101988638
Let's see.

Index is a novel series. For every two to three volumes that focus primarily on Touma, you're gonna have one volume that focuses on someone else. Usually, that someone else will be Accelerator, who tends to share the spotlight with yet another character when it happens.

Overall, Index is approximately 3/4ths Touma, 1/4ths someone who isn't Touma. That's the general gist of it.
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>>101988690
Sunrise (Studio 8).
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>>101988690
Announcement: Bones has picked up the series.
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>>101988809
According to the interview, he feels she fits in any situation. Whether it's a comedy scene or serious scene she'll fit in.

According to Kamachi anyways.
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>>101989013
That's the same thing he said about Touma, though.
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>>101988910
You forgot :
>insert random act of violence
>unwarranted jealousy that triggers random act of violence
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>>101988690
Nagai's new independent studio.
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>>101989038
Well they act the same don't they?

Both Mikoto and Touma will freak out and be weird in humor scenes, but once a serious scene comes along they're totally stoic.
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>>101989061
Do you get mad when Moe inflicts violence on Larry and Curly too?
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>>101988910
>>101989061

Would it not be Index with that logic though? She's by far the most flanderized character in the series.
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Here's what Kamachi said exactly.

>Do you have a favorite character, an easy to write character, or a hard to write character? My favorites are Tsuchimikado and Stiyl. I like how they have different ways of manipulating Kamijou. The easiest to write is Misaka Mikoto. She can fit into any scene, be it serious or comedic, without feeling out of place. The hardest to write are the “behind the scenes” characters like Aleister.
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>>101989104
Cue that one guy posting the quote about saving people that sounds exactly like Touma but is said by Mikoto
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>>101989109
Just because it's fiction doesn't mean I cant acknowledge that it's shitty behavior. The difference between her and the three stoorges is one of pure comedy while Misaka is not funny and involves at least one person in terror for his life.
You should be ashamed of yourself for comparing generic Japanese attempts at comedy with the three stooges.
And shame on you for making me actually be serious when talking about comedy.
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>>101989114

No Index is more like...

>Touma comes back from saving the world again
>Touma I'm hungry!
>in a minute Index I'm still catching my breath
>I'm hungry now!
>*head munch*
>fukou da!

or

>Touma triggers another flag unintentionally
>shows no lewd thoughts
>Index is all like Toumaaaaaa
>they look at each other for a second
>*head munch*
>fukou da!
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>>101989369
>The difference between her and the three stoorges is one of pure comedy while Misaka is not funny and involves at least one person in terror for his life.
>It's not comedy because I don't like it
You are retarded.
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>>101989449
>No
But you proved my point.
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>>101989517
Well then I guess my point was that they're both like that and therefore none of them are deserving of the TouMAN.
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>>101975525
Nothing Mikoto can do would go through original Kakine's invisible immovable wall.
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>>101989451
I'm not the one who cant distinguish between different forms of fiction here.
Also if the joke sucks then it doesn't deserve to be called comedy.
and 3 your analogies are shit.
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>>101989369
>You should be ashamed of yourself for comparing generic Japanese attempts at comedy with the three stooges.
Why aren't you complaining about all the comedy in this series then? Why is it only bad when it's Mikoto?
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I'm a magicfag but even I know Mikoto is strong. What's the point in denying that she's strong? I think a certain hater is doing his usual work in here.
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>>101975944
Even cheap Equ.DarkMatter could deflect Mugino's "lasers". And her lasers are much more powerful and destructive than anything Mikoto could do.
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>>101989844
Sure she's strong, people were just arguing about where her Forced Connection form should go on the chart.

And for some reason people thought destroying a few blocks is more impressive than other shit we've seen...
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>>101989689

>if the joke sucks then it doesn't deserve to be called comedy.
Completely subjective. Who are you to say that X or Y scenes or series deserve or not to be called comedy? Try to be less retarded next time.

>your analogies are shit.
Are you being ironic on purpose?
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>>101976014
>accels tornados destroyed them for example
No they didn't.
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>>101989912
Her lasers pierced their suits pretty cleanly though.
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>>101976967
It's a mass of iron sand trapping and accumulating charge inside.
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>>101989844
He even tried to debate that she wasn't smart... Fucking really.
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>>101990038
The only part of the suits that had Dark Matter were the weird helmets.
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>>101989074
Ahahahaha...ahaha...aha...
That's not fucking funny anon.
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>>101990142
They had wings as well anon.
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>>101989927
To be fair, she was focusing all her power on the Windowless Building, which fucks with the power and reduces its strength when it hits. Who knows how much she could have destroyed if she focused it somewhere else.
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>>101990218
Nothing was destroyed when she hit the building. All the damage we've seen came afterwards.
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>>101977477
Calculations are very important. Magic also has its own "calculations" in the form of incantations, commands and other rituals.

>>101990213
The wings were part of the helmet. Actually read vol 22.
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when does Vasilissa fight?
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>>101990317
Every night with Sasha. In the bed.
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>>101990317
She killed the Russian guy who took over the church from the shota patriarch.
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>>101982524
>believable
Once again, there is no belief involved in esper powers. It's all Personal Reality refers to observed reality.
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>>101989927
My guess is Forced Connection would most likely be at least on normal Kakine's level. Possibly more if her connection increases.

>>101990108
I think it's "that" guy.
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>>101990434
Sorry, fucked that second sentence up. Sould just be: >Personal Reality refers to observed reality.
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>>101990317
21 or 22 I believe. She fights the Russian Orthodox Church and melts the patriarch.

She's got immortality that lets her instantly regenerate from most of her body being melted, and apparently can grant any of her own wishes, though she just used this to make people explode.
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>>101989844
Mikoto's strength lies in her versatility, not pure, raw power. She and Mugino are practically opposites.
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>>101977975
No. Accelerator's white wings only took the blow for him. They did nothing for his physical body's "durability". Neither for Rensa.
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Mikochan would probably go up the chart a good ways if she could control that shit.
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>>101989712
I merely pointed out that mikoto has shooting people with electricity as her routine plus a bunch of jealousy from x "zany" event.
Everyone else is presuming assmad because there can be no other reason to notice that she electrocutes people left and right other than to fly into a rage at the sight of her although I admit it is less funny with her due to the inherent danger attached and that I do not particularly like her. It's one thing to see a female not amused at the antics before her or even regularly scheduled violence. It's another when the target has a legitimate terror for his life unless dachshunds are involved or something. It needs an extra element other than haha beating people up is funny in the setting of index.
Touma being so used to index biting his head that he just continues a conversation? Funny.
Touma being so used to Misaka's her attacks he casually blocks them? funny.
Touma losing his "purity" to Kanzaki. Actually funny
I saw you near another woman so now I shall act like a yandere. Not as funny without some properly comedic circumstance.

Please no more replies. this is way too much typing over some mundane unimportant shit. Let's just agree to disagree.
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>>101990708
It's never said the wings took the attack for him. In fact the text says Accelerator didn't do anything but just ram the attack.

And we have no clue if it made Rensa tougher or not, since the only thing she was hit by was IB.
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>>101980158
Accelerator doesn't need to sense stuff for Auto-reflect to block them. In fact, it's the opposite. He can only let stuff that he can sense/perceive through.
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>>101990627
Her power isn't all that lacking though. Her maximum output speaks for itself.
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>>101990841
>It's never said the wings took the attack for him.
Please. It is. Read vol 22.
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>>101990627
>Maximum output of 1 billion volts
>lacking in raw power

Really?
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>>101990884
Mugino has higher maximum output.
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>>101990919
Really isn't. It says his white wings have a strange power. It never says he uses them to block.
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>>101990943
Compared to Mugino, yes.

>>101990986
But it does. Please learn to read and stop browsing spoiler threads:
>Immediately afterwards, the two massive powers clashed at an altitude of 8000 meters.
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>>101990969
True, but that isn't the point I'm saying.
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>>101991023
And that's not referring to Accel why?

>With that mental change, he became a source that spewed forth a unique power into the real world.
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>>101990969
The only way she'll beat Mikoto in firepower is if she's willing to self destruct in order to do so.
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>>101991110
Because Accelerator is not a "power". He's a person. "Power" is clearly referring to the wings:
>Just like his white wings, that power truly was not a normal power.

Even in the line you quoted, it's referring to the wings as a "power". You don't call the power source a "power". It's a fucking power source.
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>>101991107
The point is that you're not supposed to bring up raw power as a testament to Mikoto's strength. She has ample raw power even among the Level 5s, but it's simply not her forte.

>>101991127
Nope. That was talking about killing Mikoto in one hit. Actual power output is as follows:
>There were various types of high level espers, but Mugino Shizuri had an exceedingly high output with very little control over it. She was ranked at #4 despite having greater destructive power than the #3 because the application of her power was lower.

>>101978651
The one advantage magicians have over espers is the presence of shared low-level incapacitating or crowd control spells (and knowledge about them, including the ability to counter them).
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>>101981431
>Tell me, how do you think she was able to calculate the exact output she needed in order to create those wings?
She wasn't. She just made use of the large amount of water vapor in an almost-perfect state in the air caused by the Aztec Ion Cannon barrage, and applied the fundamentals of her iron sand calculations to them. She had to calibrate the thrusters (they were more like ion thrusters than wings) and even added new ones first before she was ably to fly/hover smoothly. She didn't just sprout wings and immediately flew like an expert. Actually read the SS in question, please, before trying to talk about it.
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>>101990712
I'm guessing Will-tan will appear and is going to help her come back to her senses.
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