People that went into Fate/stay night blind, is the Fate route significantly better without knowing Saber's identity beforehand? They built up the reveal pretty heavily in the VN but since pretty much everyone nowadays already knows she's King Arthur I don't know how it affects the experience.
The possibility seems almost nil to me that anyone didn't know. It was like every conversation started with
>That's the one where King Arthur's a girl, right?
Most of us either watched the F/SN or F/Z anime beforehand, since the former aired before the full translation was available.
>Most of us either watched the F/SN or F/Z anime beforehand
Also, Fate is shit so it doesnt matter.
It is worse if you know that Archer is actually Shirou
That's like watching clannad without knowing that Nagisa dies
Except it's true, unless you're a newshit and weren't around when the F/SN anime aired.
I was around when >Message
The Holy Grail is the focal point of the entire VN. I figured it out pretty quick.
I actually didnt hear she was beforehand but I found it quite obvious a lot earlier than the reveal. Not sure why.
A lot of people got into TM through the Tsukihime and FSN anime, before the VNs were even translated.
And now both series are shunned by the fanbase.
The anime was actually well liked before the VN was translated and everyone realized how badly adapted it was.
Thats like watching Star Wars today and not knowing beforehand that Vader is Luke's father. It doesn't happen.
Yep. You can even find it on some older recommendation charts.
Not significantly, but the reveal is definitely a big part of the story
I went into the F/sn VN blind two years ago. No idea how the hell I managed it, but I honestly didn't know anything about it.
When Saber used Excalibur for the first time in that fight against Rider, I was just plain confused - who is this woman and why does she have King Arthur's sword? Frankly, I didn't believe that she was actually King Arthur for a couple hours of reading after that.
I was a filthy casual who downloaded FSN after playing Katawa Shoujo after a recommendation from my friend. Her being Arturia was actually quite mind blowing.
I got hype, that's it, a pretty cool moment but it doesn't affect the experience as much as the other reveals and twists.
I thought that it didn't change anything just like the real identity of every other servant, except Archer, despite how often novel tells you that it's matters.
She's king Arthur's DAUGHTER
Sure, she is.
No, she's King Arthur.
No, that's Mordred
After the first Excalibur part, I assumed she was the Lady of the Lake or something.
Then there was the Sword in the Stone scene, which was a mixture of mind-blowing and awkward cringing. A weird experience to say the least.
I remember being confused at the screen where she uses Excalibur for the first time. I thought it was a nice idea after she stated she actually was King Arthur and not some obscure myth.
I didn't but I guessed and asked an IRL friend who had already played it a few hours in. Seriously, the hints are so goddamn obvious.
Same, it was the first vn i played after becoming a weeb through KS act 1 being posted on fakku
I didn´t cared about knowing it, but I hated /a/ for spoiling me Archer´s identity.
You're fortunate that you're only that far gone.
I'm gonna start Fate/Stay Night VN this weekend. I've already seen the anime, Fate/Zero, Fate/Extra and Unlimited Blade Works. I'm even tackling Prisma Illya before getting to it.
I imagine i'll still like the VN regardless of prior knowledge. I saw Higurashi in full before tackling the VN and it still blew me away.
Nero is Best Fate.
SHIROU IS THE RED MAN
I thought she was Jeanne at first until the really, really, really obvious hints the game gave you. It won't make much of a difference if you already know, if you're used to VNs then genderbent heroes shouldn't be all that surprising.
You expect me to believe a guy named white is actually red?
Since we are talking about Saber, can someone tell me the music that starts at 1:40
The only big surprise for me was Heaven's Feel.
I knew Saber was the king and that Shirou was the red man.
If you didn't figure it out after he cleaned Rin's living room and constantly made suspicious comments to Shirou and seemed to have perfect knowledge about his idealism after only a couple days then you were just stupid anyway.
I thought he was a survivor from the past Grail War that somehow became a Servant.
During that time I knew nothing about F/Z so everytime I saw Kariya in the OP I thought he was Archer, In my defense, the shadow casted by his hood made his skin look darker.
The comment he made to Illya in the F/SN anime made me think so.
No that hasn't turned up anything. Try again.
So cleaning and making comments is apparently something that only your future self does and not, oh I don't know, someone's snarky servant or something otherworldly like that.
Yeah that plot point is actually pretty fucking big deal, I'm super glad I was able to play UBW blind. Saber's identity in its own right didn't mean shit.
I didn't know anything, went into it completely blind. I felt like the reveal was really good and I enjoyed it. It definitely added to the route.
It wasn't a flat out reveal of saying "Saber is King Arthur", but there were the dreams happening which made it apparent that she's some kind of lone king, and then the Excalibur shout came and that's how it happened. I liked it.
I'm pretty sure the dreams only came after you find out her identity.
No, the comments were very specific about the nature of his feelings, and he helped out Shirou with the projection magic and just seemed to know what was going on in his head very well. Again, I easily guessed without outside influence:
Okay reading the thread, some people didn't know that she was Arthur even after Excalibur. Now that's just dumb.
If you say so. I do remember having an idea that she was a king or some kind of authority even before Excalibur, but if it's not from the dreams, I don't know from what.
>YFW The great and noble King Arthur will only wear panties personally chosen by some ginger jap teenager
>YFW The great and noble King Arthur knows how to please a man
>YFW King arthur is probably Rolling in his grave so quickly you could power the whole of the british empire at its peak
He's turning in his imaginary grave as his legend is being thoroughly raped by japs for the sake of making him into a kawaii waifu for some loser otaku
Only bakas would choose Saber over Tohsaka as a waifu
At least some kings get treated with respect
To me, it was more of a etf moment than a mind blowing one.
The waifu to husbando ratio is small as hell
So much great husbando material
That can mean that he's just good at projection magic and dreamed of being a hero when he was young too, which is much more believable since he's a heroic spirit.
The only legit hint at his real identity is him giving Rin her pendant since it came out of nowhere like "here's your used pendant by the way, I uhh picked it up for no reason"
If we count imaginary people rolling in their grave for both western and jap works, we'd have enough energy to have spaceships visit other galaxies
That's the plain old honest truth
Well, his hair is white.
What's wrong with that? Wouldn't you find it to be cool if your legacy was turned into something kawaii uguu~? Wouldn't you find the thought interesting, find it awesome, find it arousing?
Why is Fate always getting so much hate? If it really was that bad, why did you ever dare to continue the VN and move on to UBW and HF?
Fate might not be the best route, but it sure as heck still is good. Heck, I even prefer it over HF.
If I was a legendary motherfucker, like say Mad Jack Churchill (look him up he's batshit insane)
I would want to be remembered as the badass who fought in the war using a longbow and a claymore, and how fucking badass I was capturing all those huns. I would not want myself to get turned into a girl simply so that I can suck off the protagonist of a japanese eroge.
Which Rider would you ride?
I read the VN without prior knowledge of the series. Saber's identity had very little impact on the story as the whole 'Peerless Knight King' had already been established, it wasn't really a huge deal which hero she turned out to be. That being said, she had a significantly lesser role in UBW anyway, and all other routes can shove it. Screw the 'canon'.
does this need posting again today
Fate serves to introduce you to the world and characters. It's only in UBW/HF that you get to see all the other dimensions to the characters- Kirei, Archer, Illya, even Lancer, get a tonne more personality and depth that you don't see, whereas in Fate you only really get the surface level information, and learn about Saber who's not that interesting really.
Granted, I did like the church underground scene in Fate, but all in all it just pales in comparison (note, in comparison. It's not bad per say, it's just the other routes are much better, so of course it'll get shit).
And how he looks similar, and how he makes Tohsaka tea and knows the correct way to make it, etc. Unless you actually played it within a month or so then shut up because you just forgot.
Imagine how Zhang He feels sir xpecign
Hollow Ataraxia is fakey fake everyone's-happy land anyway
He doesn't feel. He's dead.
I want to ride the Archers.
Jack Churchill as Saber and Teddy Roosevelt as Rider
Figure out the rest, but they're both legends
>And how he looks similar
He's notably taller, has darker skin, and has white hair. There are enough differences there.
>and how he makes Tohsaka tea and knows the correct way to make it
Eh, that's only apparent in retrospect. The tea plants were just laying around out there, and good tea is good tea.
Yeah you could totally see Shirou 2m tall white haired tanned wearing red cloak in the future.
>how he makes Tohsaka tea and knows the correct way to make it, etc
Now you're just grasping at straws. I also like how you put etc. at the end as if there's some kind of shitload of other arguments when the one you wrote are just bullshit.
I went in completely blind, but when I got up to that part I was like "Oh shit, I remember hearing about this!" Up to the reveal I was constantly wondering who she was and I thought she'd be Jeanne. I wouldn't say it really added a huge boon to my enjoyment of the Fate route, but I enjoyed the Fate route regardless. I don't really see why it gets so much hate.
Yeah, it's kinda sad going from Fate to the other routes if you came to love Seiba in Fate.
>And how he looks similar
Nope, Nuclear tanning and shit.
His voice also changed a lot, their VAa are very different (something odd because Shirou is a 18yo alredy, it shouldn't change that much).
Their personalities are also extreme opposite, Archer is the cynical guy while Shirou is very bland and dense.
Fate route isn't bad, it's just that UBW and HF are better.
I played it less than a week ago, I still haven't finished HF yet, day 15 right now
Even in retrospect it wasn't that obvious. He really doesn't look very similar, never mind the fact that you don't see Shirou's face much. Maybe 2-3 times at most before then.
I could kinda see that Archer was "someone" important, or maybe just semi-omniscient, but the evidence was way too circumstancial that I doubt many people came to just a far out conclusion by themselves.
Time to alt f4!
>Shirou is very bland and dense
Not really. Shirou is actually kinda snarky too, he just keeps it to himself unlike Archer.
The HF scene where she finds out is nice
Shirou's viewpoint is almost the exact same as Tohsaka when they keep changing throughout the game, in that they're two observant and snarky people on the inside.
>day 15 right
What the fuck are you doing here m8, go play this shit NOW.
He doesn't feel. He's asian
>Yeah, it's kinda sad going from Fate to the other routes if you came to love Seiba in Fate.
UBW was still good for me, since I got the good ending where she says. Even the true ending isn't that bad.
It's HF that can eat shit.
They have more going on, for sure. And they have better exposition. They tell you more, there's more twists, and they have more overall emotion. But I can't bring myself to enjoy HF. I can appreciate it, but I can't like it because shit just goes so wrong for so many people.
>His voice also changed a lot, their VAa are very different
Which is weird since Tohsaka thought Shirou was Archer over the phone
Whenever any girl was trying to kill him, why didn't Shirou just tell them to get back in the kitchen where they belong?
Because he belongs to the kitchen and the girls trying to kill him were way more powerful than him.
>shit just goes so wrong for so many people.
Same amount of people as any other route, unless you're talking about NPCs being eaten.
Only one servant doesn't get fucked over in each route after all, just look at Caster's best ending being murdered right before her lover as he's then killed. Lancer's best ending in the series involves stabbing himself through the heart. They get fucked over faster in HF, but they get fucked over either way.
Well, HF is bad if you're a Seibafag.
>shit just goes so wrong for so many people.
In the end actually, only Saber and Ilya of the main cast had a bad end (Ilya not that much, just because she died)
>Most of us either watched the F/SN or F/Z anime beforehand
I thought she was Joan of Arc for the longest time and I was really pissed to discover that she wasn't
It just seemed like such a dumb idea. Like "we didn't bother to do enough research, so here's something he pulled out of our ass and shoehorned into the story".
Just one of those unnecessary cop-outs that really sours a whole experience. She didn't even make a good king arthur
I thought it was poetic, powerful, and even Nasu confirms Alter wasn't a undeniably a fate worse than death like some like to make it out to be. It's good to reread it, but unless ordered directly she saved Shirou's ass in the forest, again in that same forest after Berserker she's all "I would fight you, but I don't have that order. Just.. try not to come before me again or I'll be forced to do something neither of us want. Also you've gotten pretty good Shirou", plus the whole Sparks Linear scene of "Is that really all I mean to you?".
For people that go back and check it out she may have a rougher tongue and a colder appearance, but she's almost more kind in that form at times. She'll backlash you and say she'll kill you without hesitation next time, but she also complimented his development each time and talked about how he was always great. She retained her dignity and nobility in that form unlike Berserker.
It's actually Ilya's best end. While she did get to have a year of peace after Fate, in HF she came to terms with things an died happy. Similar to Kotomine in that route too.
>a year of peace after Fate
This is only anecdotal but I went into Fate/Stay Night blind and Fate ended up as my favorite route of the 3. The dream sequences were the most memorable parts of the entire thing for me.
Hey, they pointed out they thought King Arthur was a man, and the explanation they gave for that made sense. And she had the same end as the "real" King Arthur.
For me, the best part of Fate was the church basement, when Shirou was forced to face his past.
Shit, that church underground scene was 2spooky4me
It's not just that though. It's her ending in that route that's sad for me. In the other 2 routes she at least comes to some sort of terms with herself.
what i never understood : Why would people recognize excalibur? While the sword is a key part of the legend you would still not know what it looks like right?
>If it really was that bad, why did you ever dare to continue the VN and move on to UBW and HF?
Obviously I can't speak for anybody else, but I did actually drop the game at first after Fate because I found it largely disappointing. It was seeing /a/ go on and on about how much better the later routes were that convinced me to give the VN another chance. That was a while ago, though, and my opinion towards Fate has improved considerably upon rereading it. It's my second favorite route now, after HF.
"You Are My King"
Coincidentally, that part of the song you were asking for also start at 1:40 in the track, Ultra-kun.
Whenever she brings it out she does scream its name.
They could take a picture and then image search it
>It's my second favorite route now, after HF.
I like Fate and HF, but how is UBW in last place for you?
But Fate was the best route.
Yeah, I know. It's probably the least popular opinion in anime I honestly hold[\spoiler]
The basement scene
When Shirou first pulls Avalon out and confesses
That end fight with Gil.
They're all silly, and in comparison to HF or UBW not as much happens, but I love them and Fate.
The Throne of Heros gives crip notes of all other heros
It's got an engraving on it, for one.
Yeah, Fate is the cheesy feel-good route that you end up liking regardless. At least if you're not a faggot.
In the ver beginning of the VN, they say that a HS has to say the name of the NP to activate it to its full extent or to show its true form.
That made my heart stop for a moment. God damn, Heaven's Feel is aptly named.
It's just opinions.jpg. It was a lot more interesting than Fate the first time I read it, but it has the poor fortune of mostly focusing on characters I'm indifferent to or outright dislike, so it held very little value for me when I read it again and it wasn't new anymore. People bitch about the first half of HF a lot, but honestly I find the first half of UBW a lot more boring. It's just a personal thing, though, not any sort of attempt at an objective judgment of the routes.
He was asking why would Arturia need to cover it with the Invisible Wind thing.
Good for you it's not an anime, its a VN then
It seems like from the responses in this thread, OP's hypothesis has some real anecdotal support.
I loved Fate and a big part of it was trying to figure out who Saber was. Also, Ilya killing Shirou every other day was the best.
There is the advantage of keeping her weapon invisible to the enemy.
>Fate is the cheesy feel-good route
I agree it's cheesy, but how is it feel-good?
It's the only route in which the MC isn't bad ass (though for good reasons) and the only one in which he doesn't end up with the girl (until LE, of course).
>Fate is the cheesy feel-good route
Best way to summarize it. A lot of people I've talked to dislike Fate and ESPECIALLY dislike Last Ending because it's "too happy for the fate series"
I say fuck them, I always prefer happy.
Nothing made me cry bitch tears like this scene.
Because everything is/appears resolved. It was a bittersweet ending in which he hoped for the day when they'd finally meet again. He didn't need to be badass to be happy.
Exactly, many times in battle she had an advantage simply because the enemy could not judge the length of her sword.
I didn't like this scene because it looks like shes wearing a night gown and it freaks me out
I'm pretty sure some people in F/Z started to recognize it just by the "golden glow" or whatever. I could be remembering wrong though.
He doesn't have to be badass, and his biggest moments in the route are when he resists the enemy and keeps his ideals. And while he doesn't end up with Saber, she is able to come to terms with her own personal problems and leaves on excellent terms, and Shirou goes on to have a happy life.
That's not a night gown though. It's supposed to be reminiscent of ye olde elegantwear.
what was the biggest shock was kirei. him being a kung fu monster with most psychological problems i have ever had the pleasure reading off.
Pic related is the one reason for me to fate to be a whole level below the othe two routes.
Yeah, the Fate Kotomine fight was rather bad. All of HF Kotomine made up for it though.
>Because everything is/appears resolved.
Just as in the other two routes, though.
However, in Fate route, Shirou is going to go through his Hero of Justice deal alone, and without Archer's memories.
>It was a bittersweet ending in which he hoped for the day when they'd finally meet again.
No, the meeting again is purely LE.
In Fate's ending you even have him saying things that even if one day he forgets her name and her face, he'll never forget he met her. So, he had accepted her death and their parting. There was no hoping to meet her again in the route's ending.
I'm not saying not being badass is a bad thing.
My point is, the MC being badass (at least the way I see it) is a feel-good type of thing.
So, I don't see how Fate is a feel-good route, when the theme of it involved accepting the shit life throws at you (in Shirou's case, the fire in the past, and the fact he had to part with Saber), rather than the usual defy you fate type of them (which would fall into the feel-good category, in my opinion).
At least Kotomine was relevant in Fate. He gets shafted in UBW.
This is the kind of stuff I live for.
Well that's just your opinion, which you are of course free to have. Personally, I think accepting shit life throws at you is both more relatable and admirable, while defying fate is cooler.
Which is surprising seeing how relevant he is to the Tohsaka family backstory.
Shit. I think I'm going to hire a black guy to hit me the head for a couple of bucks.
Then I'll forget all those goddamn spoilers from series you fags ruined for me. Now maybe I can finally watch Clannad not knowing that spike turns into a dog and dies.
The new anime better do this and get it right.
It was more annoying than anything else, really. I had this inkling in the back of my mind that she would turn out to be King Arthur, but I really didn't want that to be the case. I felt it would be a serious ass-pull, and moreso than usual. Jeanne d'Arc would have made more sense and showed that Nasu at least Googled famous historical figures. So, I was disappointed when she shouted EKKUSUKARABAA halfway through the route.
I gradually came to accept it, but I still find that it was still a strange choice.
>implying UBW was ever had anything to do with the Tohsaka.
Got my Saber, you fuckers ready with your Servants yet?
>However, in Fate route, Shirou is going to go through his Hero of Justice deal alone, and without Archer's memories.
LE indicates otherwise.
Besides, even if we ignore LE altogether, the circumstances for Archer's existence was impossibly low to begin with. Note, in his parallel world EMIYA/Archer didn't exist. Just think about it and you'll realize that not everything is a cycle.
>There was no hoping to meet her again in the route's ending.
I don't have the picture, but I opened Fate up just to read this.
"Even if that will not reach her, there should still be something that will remain in our hearts... I believe that we can be together even if we are far apart... That is why I will keep running for now. If I aim for the distance there should come a day when I will be able to reach out to what I have been aiming for"
Now, you can say "What I have been aiming for" isn't Saber. But contextually it should be preeeeetty damn clear he wants to see her again. Everything was wrapped up and they fell in love. LE didn't come out of the blue like everyone says. It was just the natural conclusion to the story.
So...you've essentially experienced EVERYTHING the franchise has to offer you besides the original work?
Also Hollow Ataraxia, but translations still aren't done...
Play the Clannad game, the translation isn't always as spot on but it is a bigger adventure that really makes you work for that good ending. Plus two of the better routes were left out of the anime.
It's good they did as many routes as they did in the first place, but it's a real tease when you just miss those few.
Hey, Nasu did get a bunch of King Arthur's stuff right. And who the fuck knows who Cu is without doing research?
They're just a bit confused.
Shirou gets both, anyway.
The only thing I knew about Gilgamesh before getting into F/SN was some phrase about someone telling him that trying to achieve immortality was stupid.
So, what did Gilgamesh do for those 10 years?
Besides fucking Kotomine, of course.
Got my Caster.
I had forgotten that Lancer was Cu when I came to that conclusion.
Fair enough. It definitely was the route that had the most to do with them though.
Stealing wine, fucking bitches and playing mahjong with old men.
Also what they showed in Carnival Phantasm
>not choosing Shiroe
It´s like you want to lose
Reminds of the /pol/ Grail War I discussed a while back with you guys. Good shit.
>Picking a support mage by default
Unless you're an incredible badass to begin with, you're fucking yourself over.
Played around in child form for part of it
I knew that the Epic of Gilgamesh contained the line "Enkidu, you son of a fish"
I honestly don't think where we're disagreeing, though.
>Personally, I think accepting shit life throws at you is both more relatable and admirable
I agree to this entirely, but that isn't a feel-good type of thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a feel-good type of story related to happy things, escapism and the like? If that's correct, then I don't see how Fate can count as feel-good, when it's them was rather grounded in reality, in terms of accepting the shit you've been dealt, rather than changing it and getting the HAPPY ending at the end, kinda like what you get in most Hollywood movies.
>while defying fate is cooler
That being what I understand/consider feel-good type of thing.
>the circumstances for Archer's existence was impossibly low to begin with
We know this because of Nasu's interviews. If we didn't have that, we'd have no idea about his chances of ending up as Archer, even if we do know that Shirou's live, due to the events in Fate route, has already changed considerably compared to what Archer went through.
>Now, you can say "What I have been aiming for" isn't Saber. But contextually it should be preeeeetty damn clear he wants to see her again.
This is what you're quoting.
>I looked up at the stars before.
>The stars that I cannot reach and the wishes that will not be granted.
>There is nothing we have been able to leave behind for each other.
>Therefore, traces and memories will disappear someday.
>Even if it will not reach her, there should be something that will remain in our hearts.
>There is nothing that remains in our hands, but we lived the same time and looked up at the same things.
>If I can remember thatI can believe that we can be together even if we are far apart.
>I can assent that as there are things that will go away, there are also things that will not go away.
Tell me how that doesn't sound like acceptance.
He isn't thinking of meeting her again, but that what they had was real.
Gilgamesh and Enkidu, truest bros.
Shiroe is a shit Caster and everyone knows it
But he is crafty as fuck. He would kill every single Servant without even fighting them.
If Shirou is an autistic robot with a sword fetish what is Shiki?
They invented the brofist.
But, instead of bumping knuckles, they tried to murder each other for a really long time before realizing that they were of equal skill, then they went and fucked some prostitutes.
It was an early form of the brofist. Things have to go through a beta test, sometimes.
Shiki is an autistic half-dead guy with a chair fetish.
>We know this because of Nasu's interviews.
Even ignoring the interviews. Not everything lines up. Half of the situations that exist in Fate exist because of Archer/Emiya. Remove Archer/Emiya and replace him with someone else and we have NO idea what goes on. We don't even know if Saber destroyed the grail because all we know is that they 'won' the war.
Just because he accepts that she's gone doesn't mean he doesn't have hope that they'll be able to meet somehow.
Though it seems that one of the lines is either missing, or I'm using a different translation or the Realta Nua patch I have added something else. I don't believe Realta Nua changed anything already existent, just added scenes in. Is "If I aim for the distance there should come a day when I will be able to reach out to what I have been aiming for" Not in the original?
Because then I might understand.
The entire point is that they end up together in heaven.
Actually that would be HF, because sisters and stuff, and also the Zelretch Gem Sword had a little to do with them too.
Which is why he is suited for the Knight classes (Saber, Archer, Lancer) rather than Caster.
How would you react if the Ufotable anime was a new route with mixed elements from the original ones?
A garbage man
That reminds me - Tsukihime remake fucking when?
What would Shiroe do as as Saber, Archer or Lancer? He is a fucking Enchanter.
Depends on how it's pulled off.
I don't see how they can fit all 3 routes into 24-26 episodes without pulling some major strings.
If they try to donate 3~ to prologue and then 7 to each route, I think they'd end up cutting too much out. It could work, but it'd be really rushed pacing.
I'm honestly unsure how they're going to manage any of it.
>Even ignoring the interviews. Not everything lines up. Half of the situations that exist in Fate exist because of Archer/Emiya. Remove Archer/Emiya and replace him with someone else and we have NO idea what goes on. We don't even know if Saber destroyed the grail because all we know is that they 'won' the war.
Even with Archer, we don't know what will happen to him, as opposed to UBW and especially HF, which have heavy changes.
>Just because he accepts that she's gone doesn't mean he doesn't have hope that they'll be able to meet somehow.
Though it seems that one of the lines is either missing, or I'm using a different translation or the Realta Nua patch I have added something else. I don't believe Realta Nua changed anything already existent, just added scenes in. Is "If I aim for the distance there should come a day when I will be able to reach out to what I have been aiming for" Not in the original?
The point is, during that scene, is that he's accepted she's dead, and that the things that they did were real, but still something that will be just memories, precious ones, but memories.
The whole thing is about accepting the outcome and moving on with your life.
Perhaps, after dealing with so much, he found solace in Saber's memory and that's why he decided to chase after her (though, I suppose he first should have learned there was a way for him to reach her), but as of CotD, he had made peace with the fact Saber was gone.
>The entire point is that they end up together in heaven.
They're not in Heaven. They're in Avalon.
>3~ to prologue
They could do the prologue in one episode you nigger
I believe that if you go read the route with the preconceipted thought that "Saber being king arthur is an asspull", it might get in the way of truly enjoying the route.
To me, it didn't feel like an asspull after they explained everything about saber's past and how she suffered alone because of it all.
So, to answer >>101920168, it might get in the way if you go with that mindset, but otherwise, I think it's the least of the spoilers to have and doesn't even affect the route as much as the said explanation of Saber's past.
The new anime is gonna be a new scenario written by Nasu, yeah?
It's gonna be mostly adapted from the VN with some new content by Nasu. Not a new route.
>mfw reading HF and Shirou just consciously decided to sacrifice hundreds, potentially thousands of lives, just so he could get his dick wet
I'm not gonna be an edgy motherfucker and say Mind of Steel should be canon, but what the fuck
I would sac the whole world just to be with someone who I truly love.
A million is a statistic. Shirou is going for the happiness right in front of him.
And it's really more realistic too. Most people would save loved ones over strangers.
Hey, he only let 60 or so people die, and he had no idea the Greater Grail was that fucked up when he chose to protect Sakura, though considering the route's thematic, I suppose he would have chosen to protect her regardless.
Best decision he makes in the entire novel. I can't respect somebody who would sacrifice the person they love most for anything.
I am the mongrels.
>we don't know what will happen to him
Well that's just it. The stage is different, the actors are different, everything is different. You can't change a formula and expect the same outcome unless the odds are REALLY stacked. The archer summoned in Archer/Emiya's 5th holy grail war is not him. That much we know. He was the root of that alternate timeline.
I don't think you're really wrong for thinking that though. There is always a chance. I just don't think it was that high.
And I agree on the point, but I think that one line about "there being a day" when he could reach out for Saber is EXTREMELY important to his feelings about moving on versus acceptance and hoping that eventually he would be reunited.
I think in a setting based around the power belief, believing that he'd see her again just is that much stronger a feeling. He didn't have to stop his life and cry waiting for her. He truly believed he'd see her and was accepting that she was gone and that stopping his life would do no good. It's not that he's going to sacrifice everything to find her, nor is he going to give up anything. It's just time.
I don't disagree entirely with what you're saying. He did make peace that Saber was gone, but that does not exclude him from hoping to one day see her again. Even if it wasn't on earth.
>They're not in Heaven. They're in Avalon.
Chalk this up to me being an idiot and always mixing the two. It's sort of a personalized heaven for her anyway. The realm of purity that King Arthur went to upon death.
They were like 50 people and none of them would had sucked his dich in gratitude.
>I'm not gonna be an edgy motherfucker and say Mind of Steel should be canon, but what the fuck
At the point in the game when he was asked to sacrifice her he didn't know she was Shadow, all he knew was "Sakura is a master, will have to fight, people might be hurt, easier to kill her now" which is why it's retarded to kill her the first time around.
Somehow people who either are just reading it or remember it in hindsight don't seem to understand that shit, he's killing someone he's known for nearly ten years for literally nothing. He's killing her for just taking part in the contest like Rin, but he doesn't trust her to not kill others. Taking in Ilya in Fate route is more morally questionable than this much.
The second time around he had a promise he made, a pormise that meant about as much to him as the one to his father. He'll take a chance, he'll find an answer, he won't give up, he'll try to save both her and others, because he's already made his choice awhile ago. It's not that he wanted people to be sacrificed, rather it's that he chose to save her even if it's impossible, because he can't forgive himself for failing to save her up to now.
I LOVE NASU
[ ]Save Illya
[ ]Save Illya
[ ]Save Illya
>Shiki is an autistic schizophrenic half-dead guy with a chair rape fetish.
Well, those were my initial thoughts. I came to tolerate it a lot more after going further into the route.
It's "Bring Ilya Back".
Yeah, I was indeed talking about the second time, when he brings the knife. The first time it's kind of "oh, she could flip out and hurt me so I'd better look after her", killing her then is obviously the wrong thing to do. But the second time he knows full well that like a hundred people were either swallowed or left in comas, and the number and mortality rate is getting higher and higher every night, and this is a DIRECT result of Sakura, and Sakura will just die in a few days anyway but he still refuses to. It seems to have worked out okay this time since Sakura apparently suppressed the shadow by staying awake all night, but I have no idea what's going to happen the next night. And it's all Shirou's fault.
My fate lingo is getting rusty lately.
I think most people wouldn't kill their loved ones that easily.
Not to mention Sakura wasn't killing people on purpose. She was a victim as well.
>Maybe if you had said that earlier, fate might've taken a different turn...
FUCK YOU NASU
What a fucking retard.
We don't know anything about it except that there will be some new content supervised by Nasu. No word on which of the routes it will be based off of or if it will be a combination of them.
People have been blowing the remarks way out of proportion, thinking that "new content" = new route.
Or they could not do the prologue at all, it is mostly relevant for UBW anyway (exept for the scene with Gil and Sakura, I know).
Or even better, the prologue happens simultaneously with the first 3 days, so thay don't need to animate it separately
You're not really wrong since Avalon essentially is a form of heaven.
It doesn't help that the initial news (which is always the most popular) said new route, not new content.
The fuck happened here?
Fuck one, Marry one, Kill one.
The correct answer is that order respectively.
>I think most people wouldn't kill their loved ones that easily.
True, but it was the fate of Japan or her. I'm not saying to go full Kiritsugu and make your life a pragmatic one, but most people wouldn't go full Shirou and fuck over the entire world for their loved one either (or at least we can't say for sure).
Remember that HF has about a dozen bad ends, all of which end up with Japan getting nuked for Shirou's trying but failing to save everyone.
Reverse the first two and you've got a deal.
She'll choose her own death rather than make that sacrifice he made for her worthless, but what if Zouken arranged for "something" to occur to snap that last moral fiber she has that was keeping her rational right around now? Sakura confronts her end head on, but of course Zouken won't let such a thing occur when he's having too much fun here.
Keep reading, it's not so easy as you think, and you may hate her after what she's going to do at first, but upon rereading you'll realizing a bit that part of the reason she did it was to stop the random killings. And it worked, embracing Shadow did stop any civilians from getting hurt anymore. It's not to say it's entirely noble either like Kariya, since when her emotions boiled out the first thing he wanted to do was pick a fight with Rin so she'd acknowledge her as not a fuck-up and to stop macking on her man next time on Maury, but that kind of backfires as Rin continues to take circles around her even then.
The problem with saying Heaven is that Heaven is where dead people go.
Saber is alive in Avalon.
Not to mention Avalon isn't the only separate dimension we've heard of in Nasuverse. We know Cú Chulainn's master also ended up in a separate realm, because she became too strong, for example.
Merlin may have also been sealed in some sort of separate dimension as well.
I'd say...fuck Saber. She needs the mana.
Marry Rin. She is my waifu.
Kill Sakura. Somehow, the situation would be turned on me and I would die, but it wouldn't matter. I fucked Saber and married Rin.
Fuck them all and then kill them
Good choices, my friend.
Shouldn't you marry them and then make sure to kill them with your own hands before they kill themselves?
Damn anon, that's cold.
Rin will NTR you for Aacha. Seiba is a loyal waifu.
I didn't know anything other than its popularity when I read it. The reveal didn't shock or impress me much, it was more of just an "oh okay, that makes sense." I don't think knowing would detract too much from the experience, there's definitely worse things you could have spoiled.
Of course she's not doing it on purpose, but at that point (seeing as her death is basically assured at that point in time since he didn't get Kirei's advice yet) it's more like putting someone out of their misery AND saving hundreds of lives to boot. It'd be understandable if it was any other character, and they were emotionally incapable of doing it. But it never mentions any of that, Shirou never struggles with the idea or rejects the fact that (at that point) she can't be saved, or even sheds a single tear (because he's an emotional fuckup). He just goes on about his promise. So it's not like emotion's a big factor here.
>True, but it was the fate of Japan or her.
No, I don't think it was. Alaya would interfere before things got that bad, since Angry Manjew would be a legitimate threat to humanity's existence.
Tell that to Kotomine.
I made the mistake of watching the anime blind.
I had no idea she would end up being king arthur.
So do we actually know anything? All the news I've seen points at new things, but I trust that very little since it seems to be linking to sources that also link to other sources.
From the trailer I know there's going to be at least parts of HF
See: 2:11, the Shroud of Martin
>The correct answer is that order respectively.
But of course
Yeah, that might be why I always do that.
Is she alive? I thought it was a given she was dead and her soul went to Avalon. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me, but is that confirmed or just assumption?
The prologue is mostly just pretext to magic. They could probably skip most of the magic talk and go straight into the content, but half of Fate/Stay is context, unfortunately.
But...tsunderes always love the protagonist the most out of anyone in the harem. It's the law.
I went into Fate/Stay Night aware of most of the major twists: Saber's identity, Archer's identity, Sakura and Tohsaka's relationship, etc.
The one thing that somehow escaped my knowing was that it was an Eroge. Needless to say, I was pretty surprised and not a little bit confused.
If they skip the explanations in the beginning, then we couldn't recommend people to watch the new F/SN anime before F/Z...
>Is she alive? I thought it was a given she was dead and her soul went to Avalon. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me, but is that confirmed or just assumption?
She's alive. It's just as in the legend.
King Arthur was taken to Avalon so that his wounds would be treated, and that he could return later, when his country needed him.
There's no life after death in Nasuverse.
No, that would be yandere
Which is Sakura
Did you fill up Saber's magical energy reserves?
I went in blind, it didn't really make all that much difference. When I realized that Shirou had literally fucked King Arthur, I laughed pretty hard though.
Only when there are no others. Rin lives with Archer whenever he's around.
I'm okay with this.
Plus Dark Berserker a moment before that.
>From the trailer I know there's going to be at least parts of HF
>See: 2:11, the Shroud of Martin
That's literally footage from the VITA openings spliced together.
With gusto. I didn't know if I was supposed to fap or not. It just felt weird and sudden. I had read this as a fantasy/action story and suddenly it's a porno. Not that I'm complaining. I found Rin's sex scene to be pretty funny, honestly.
>not someone who would NTR Shirou for Archer at the first chance
>King Arthur was taken to Avalon so that his wounds would be treated, and that he could return later, when his country needed him.
Alright, that makes sense. Possibly. But she was pretty confirmed to have died at the end of Fate.
>There's no life after death in Nasuverse.
I call bullshit. Nasuverse follows the rules of belief as power.
The stronger the belief the stronger the power. Billions of people believe in an afterlife. It shouldn't be so hard to think that something exists and that Avalon is one such realm.
I've never actually seen the vita OPs, so I wasn't aware.
I would say "why would they show HF if they weren't going to animate it" but there's always the chance they'll only animate one route anyway.
>there will never be more Carnival Phantasm
>not the best
It's like you guys don't even like girls
Why is she making him dress like Kotomine?
But...the last panel of your image...
I don't blame her, Archer is much better than Shirou in terms of everything.
Unless the world decides to put you on the Throne of Heros you generally are reincarnated
Question: why do you people spell it Jeanne when it's Joan?
Wow same here. except I knew who saber was from thread I made on how to F\SN.
So, you appreciated the efforts of Shirou 'Jackhammer' Emiya?
Did you end up fapping, or not?
>not wanting to rejoice all night long
Because it is actually Jeanne d'Arc?
Why does the visual novel call Berserker Herakles and not Hercules?
Says she likes Shirou "as well" as Archer, but he's still got some catching up to do, and she's more interesting in the prospect of him becoming more dashing like Archer.
It's one of those raising projects, you have the lump of coal and you want to make it into a sword diamond.
Rin with just the shirt and leggings on is the best. The lewdest ZR.
Avalon was heavily incorporated into Arthurian myth. I don't think it's unreasonable for it to exist.
That, and I can't think of how Saber and Shirou reunite if they're both alive.
I kinda want to do Tsukihime so I can watch Carnival Phantasm, but I'm loathe to do it after everyone telling me how terrible it is by comparison.
I just asked why she did it, I never said I dislike it.
Kotomine a best, woudl rejoice with him whenever he wants.
Shirou gained a lot more respect in my eyes for not being a typical spineless harem lead, I guess. I fapped a little to the Rin-Saber-Shirou threesome, but could never finish to any of the sex scenes.
On the one hand the sex scenes felt weird and out of place, but on the other they lent believability to Shirou's character and his relationships.
Avalon exists its thats why I said "generally"
Ah, my bad then.
Shit's confusing man.
Is there any way I can use the Vita soundtrack for F/SN, like how you can use the remastered Tsukihime music?
Because every 2012 version is subjectively better.
Yeah Nasu's a good writer not so much a good God
Well, she'd be cheating on him with himself, it could be worse.
You don't need Tsukihime to enjoy Carnival Phantasm at all, the best scenes are all from the Fate series anyway.
And Tsukihime's VN is okay, it's just the anime that's god awful.
Fuck you that's why
A scene in UBW or maybe HF if you go home and call Rin instead of checking up on Sakura or going to meet Rin in person
Who has been telling you Tsukihime is shit?
I'll fucking murder them.
Kohaku's route is better then all of F/SN, I'll say it.
>yfw Rin fantasizes about both Shirous on the regular
>I'm loathe to do it after everyone telling me how terrible it is by comparison.
Who told you this? I've only heard /a/ give praise to Tsukihime's VN.
What does mappo tofu tastes like?
Tsukihime isn't terrible by comparison. The graphics are worse, yes, but the writing is about as good and hey, that's what really matters when it comes to a VN.
I refuse to accept corrupt Jeanne
Awesome to hear. I'll go check it out.
I still do enjoy the "power of belief" thing. It's not unique to the Nasuverse. I know Discworld and Raildex have similar concepts, but I'm a total sucker for it.
But I think there are always loose ends.
Everyone I've talked to says it's hard to play by comparison and that it's worth skipping over. If that's wrong I have no problem with starting it up. Glad to hear it's not as bad as I've heard.
Fire, pain, and death. But in a good way.
If you don't want to read the VN you can read the manga (it's actually really good!)
You must be really retarded.
Jeez are the amount of typemoon threads increasing?
It seems like there are more and more people just starting to play Stay Night or Tsukihime in these threads, and I feel like I've seen a lot more typemoon threads in general.
I'm not complaining, of course. Just wondering if anyone else is noticing this.
>implying all of us wouldn't do the same
I´m talking about Shiroe from Log Horizon , not Shirou from F/SN.
/a/ has always had a ton of Type Moon threads and they're only going to increase in frequency with the ufotable remake coming up
How long is Heaven's Feel? I've heard everything from it being the same length as the other routes to being longer than the other two combined. Which is it?
Well, "reincarnated" is a bit strong a word. It's more like your souljuice gets dumped into the pool that is Akasha and a slightly smaller cup is used the next time a soul is needed.
Hype for the anime? I know a couple of my friends started recently because they wanted to read their way through FSN before the anime gets here (because either the anime will either only adapt one route in which case they'll miss 2/3 of the story, or the anime will adapt all three routes and they'll miss tons of stuff, or the anime will be an original route which'll obviously have references to the other three).
Also it's kind of a snowballing thing. The more threads we have, the more people finally get round to reading FSN, who then go on to make and post in more threads which gets more people to read FSN.
Well for me, I only started FSN about 4 weeks ago because a friend has been poking me to do it for about a year.
I need good Fate fanfiction
Shame "Good" and "Fanfiction" are mutually exclusive
The remake of Fate/Stay Night probably sparked an interest, since it's a chance to get into the franchise's flagship series in a currently airing show. It's a good time to hop on the bandwagon.
It really isn't that bad and definitely worth for the story.
That said, to make it easier, you should play it on your phone if you have android.
Haha, what kind of turbonerd reads fanfiction?
Does any good Rin x Shirou or general post-UBW exist?
I can't find anything particularly good in that regard. 'Mediocre' seems to describe most of them.
Tsukihime has a manga?
I guess? I thought she was Joan of Arc for a bit, then I wised up.
For some reason I could not fucking figure out who Archer was until a bit before the reveal. I was so fixed on a real world legend that I guess I couldn't see the forest through the trees.
GEE I DON"T KNOW OP
THANKS FOR SPOILING IT
Oh oops, my bad. Well, I wouldn't choose Shiroe because he is a support type. I wouldn't mind Issac, Krusty, Akatsuki, Naostugu, etc. unless Shiroe has an Ionian Hetaiori like Noble Phantasm.
Tsukihime has the best manga, to compensate for not having an anime.
Even Nasu says the manga makes him feel ashamed that someone is using such talent on his meager ideas, but he's also "If this is what you want to do with your stuff.."
The new anime got me to finally go through F/SN. I started it last summer, but the slow pace of the prologue and first 2 1/2 days of Shirou's stuff made me put it down for a while.
Behold, the list of all the good type-moon fanfiction
I've already read everything good on this and I'm jonesing for more
At least you're not as shameful as me, who couldn't figure out who Rider was until she used the mystic eyes.
The Pegasus didn't give it away?
She uses that first, right? I don't remember
That would be Shiroe´s former Guildmaster whose name I don´t remember
I didn't know about the Medusa-Pegasus connection until I read F/SN.
could be alright, would he be a berserker or what?
SENMETSU DA tier
never even got max-tier weapons and gear before the apocalypse, is another assassin waiting to happen
i sure hope you have some sort of offensive capability as a master
Yes, and it's better than the VN for what it adapts.
Same here. I don't know jack shit about mythology so the pegasus didn't mean anything to me.
I couldn't figure it out because she was too goddamn hot to be Medusa
I figured that Rider stole it from Hercules because I knew Herc rode a pegasus from the Disney movie.
Has Nobunaga ever been a Servant in anything?
Anchor Howl for days
Does Nasu have low self confidence or something
I don´t know anything about Medusa but since she had something to do with Greek Mithology and had her eyes covered I instantly realized who she was
The Hercules Disney movie disregarded the entire mythology.
Doesn't stop it from being one of my favorites.
New one Takaguichi is working on, which is pretty much a joke war made of entirely genderbent characters.
He's a girl.
Go watch Fate/Pacific Ri- I mean Nobunagun if that is what you want
Japanese ideal is to be humble
>there will never be a HGW where Ilya summons disney Hercules
>castle of stone-ing gay bulge, excalibur etc
He is so humble that it´s annoying.
He has said that pretty much everything he has made is shit and that he would improve it given the chance.
I'm already watching Miyano Nobu. Mostly for the Miyano.
Typically artists have an idea or two like that
"It's hard to ever look at my old work and see how unrefined it is", something like that is pretty common. Doesn't matter if it is or isn't, but they tend to see it that way because they know the truth.
However I do know he's never said that, and that you're just making shit up here a bit. Since at most he felt that using Shirou as too much of a mouthpiece in Fate route came off badly, like when he went "But you're a girl" that was really Nasu trying to remind the audience that she was a girl, and he could have done better.
Regretting that doesn't mean "I have everything I've ever done" unless you live in Crazy Land.
All the info I have on medusa is fro GoW so, what >>101933750 said
Everytime someone here posts Nasu talking about his works he always says he thinks they are shit and feel that X-kun adaptation of his work is way better.
Does he have any comments on the DEEN shit?
Actuallty, Medusa wasn´t supposed to have the power to turn people into stone by looking at them but instead was so fucking horrible that you would die of a heart attack the moment you saw her face
The flowchart should tell you.
Yellow - fate
Red - UBW
Purple - HF
I guess the truth is that she was so amazing you die from the beauty of it.
Then why is she so drop dead gorge-
Alright. Typically I like to go into these things blind but I've heard there's one choice early on that if you choose wrong will screw you over way later in the route and I'd like to avoid that. Which one is it?
Not cooking for Fuji-Nee.
She will appear at the end of the route and stab your anus with a shinai.
Just know that there are 40 bad endings, so be sure to always save at choices or else.
As for what you're talking about, if you turn down Rin's proposal then you get a bad ending the next day, and if you don't get enough Saber points in Fate (which is pretty much impossible without trying) then you get a bad ending near the end. The other two routes have similar things as that.
In the version of the Medusa myth that Nasu uses (there are a couple different ones), she's a beautiful woman before she becomes a monster. Poseidon rapes her in one of Athena's temples and Athena is a bitch about it and punishes Medusa by transforming her into a horrifying monster.
Lemme think. Off the top of my head, the things that can take a while to fuck you over include refusing to ally with Rin in Fate, failing to save Ilya in UBW, and pussying out on projection training or making a Geas with Rin, both in HF. You could also fail to get enough points throughout each route which'll fuck you over, but that's your own fault.
Even the victim gets in trouble
Just curious, anyone know who animated the original F/SN openings?
Y-you mean she isn't pure?
Nobody in Greek mythology is pure.
Zeus turns into a fucking swan and rapes a woman.
That is how bored he is.
>every woman should know these things
>king arthur is immortal and resting in avalon
>king arthur was never a real person, but a fictional character in the public domain and is open to interpretation
Why is Athena such a bitch?
>I'm gonna totally kill Lancer's master
>I'll make a contract with him to leave him alone if he makes Lancer kill himself
>Okay, so when I give the signal by lighting my cigarette, go ahead and shoot him
>But make sure not to shoot him in the head or anything
>Just blast out his lungs so he's left wheezing on the ground in horrific agony, begging for death
>Because then I can give a smug oneliner about how I can't kill him, it will be SO cool
>Oh, and make sure you pop his waifu while you're at it, can't let some helpless, harmless woman get away now can we
Kerry is the biggest villain in the series.
Every Greek god is a douche/bitch. Hades is the nicest because he just wants to chill out in Tartarus.
I went into F/Z not knowing anything about the Fate franchise. I don't even remember how I felt about Saber being King Arthur, so I guess it didn't leave much of an impression on me.
I remember freaking out pretty hard about Berserker's identity, though.
why is it hard to believe that she could possibly be pure
Why? Because he was a nigger?
So how much CG and filters are gonna be in the new anime?
What? I'm talking about Lancelot, anon.
Always just pick the dumbest choice available in most cases, try to be a suicidal action hero.
Shit, I read it as "F/SN" and thought you were talking about Heracles.
I accidentally didn't get enough Saber points.
How do you manage that even?
I mean, in UBW it makes sense if you play Rin-centric, but how do you even fail that in Fate?
Official list of things that Fate/Zero characters managed to kill or otherwise destroy
- 99 Assassins
- 3 chickens
- a few bags of rice crackers
- part of a library
- Caster's atelier
- Gordius Wheel
- the Grail
- the Hyatt
- a hamburger
- a couple packs of cigarettes
- a sizable portion of Fuyuki
- Byakuya's hand
>Archer Team (version Tokiomi)
- 1 Assassin
- bottles and bottles of wine
- Tokiomi's yard
- Tokiomi's dignity
- Kariya's bugs
>Archer Team (version Kotomine)
- Ionian Hetairoi
- more wine
- a small tentacle monster
- a lamppost
- a few of Gil's Noble Phantasms
- Rider's ladle
- a tree
- a bat
- Kayneth's finger
- Kayneth's love life
- the Einzbern castle
- Gay Bud
- some of Saber's hair
- many children
- Rin → Ryuunosuke's bracelet
- Maker of Gil's pants → some snakes
Only covers Arc route though.
Even he's kind of a bitch. Hades kidnaps Persephone 'cause he wants to bone her and tricks her into eating food from hell so that she's forced to spend part of every year there with him even after he releases her.
Well, the first time, I didn't realize that was how the routes worked until it was too late.
The second time...I'm not sure. I tried making decisions that would make Saber happy without using a walkthrough. Though, I did repeat a few. I guess I wanted to see the scenes with the other girls again.
>Go through Fate route doing that since a Tiger Dojo told me that "be a suicidal retard" and "always use the command spell" is the way to win in this game, works fine
>Get to UBW, immediately get my shit slapped by Rider when I try to use a command spell
I remember freaking out pretty hard about Heracles' identity too if it makes you feel any better, but because I thought it was awesome. Kinda cemented Berserker as my favorite class.
more like Hades abducts her, but doesn't even rape her. Instead he spirits her away suddenly to the underworld to profess his love for her. He then makes her queen of the underworld and even when her mother throws a shit fit, he compromises and allows her to return back to the surface in time for the flowers to bloom and stay for spring and summer and spend the other half back in the land of the dead with him.
They even point that out in that Tiger Dojo.
>wasting a command spell on rider
The message is slightly different in each route. Be a bit more conservative with the command spells.
Just know that 'feed into Shirou's ridiculous martyr complex' is almost always the right answer. The only exception that comes to mind is 'jump into a black hole because Gilgamesh is holding onto your arm really tight' gets you a bad end.
It's a bad end where Taiga didn't show up to the Taiga Dojo, because she didn't think anyone would do something so stupid.
I didn't, because lolflowchart but that seemed like a solid solution.
Who's your favorite Servant from each of the seven main classes? Don't pick based on powerlevels or how many times they won or who their master is or other manchild-tier shit like that, pick based on who your true favorite is.
As much as I hate Shinji, I have to say that Kamiya was fucking great. Put all the smugness he had into the role.
>Goldie complains that the Grail is swallowing him because it's trying to reform itself, but doesn't know a Servant can't serve as the base, and if only a human entered that hole, the Grail could properly reform
>I KNOW, I'LL JUMP IN WITH HIM, WHAT COULD GO WRONG
Seiba a shit.
No opinion on Berserkers.
Tie between Onee-chan Rider and Bro rider.
Fake Assassin is best.
Medea a cute.
Red Man best archer.
Cu best lancer.
More like there are multiple versions of the myth.
Zero vs. Stay Night
Which had the better Masters? Which had the better Servants?
Zero, there is no discussion.
I think I prefer Zero for both servants and masters, but I like F/sn as whole a bit more.
The fourth war was stacked as fuck in terms of masters. Stay might win servants because of the presence of both EMIYA and Gil.
Nero, with Prototype at a close second.
Deermud, though Cu is great too.
Probably Gil, but Robin Hood was a lot of fun too.
Iskander. Who would pick any Rider other than Iskander?
All Berserkers are olev, but Lancelot is my favorite.
Zero for both.
Barring Cu and Herakles, I liked Zero servants more than their FSN counterparts.
Only read FSN and watched Zero so my options are pretty limited, anyway
>Saber: GEE I WONDER
>Archer: Our glorious golden god king, may all bow before him
>Lancer: Gay Bulge > Gay Bud
>Rider: No contest, Alexander is the ultimate bro
>Caster: Only one is the COOOOOOOOOOLEST
>Assassin: Kojirou, shame about him getting offscreened in TWO goddamn routes
>Berserker: Hercules, shame about the Einzberns being so retarded
>mfw no friends who read VNs
If you watch Fate/Zero first you will ruin a lot of the story in Fate Stay Night. I would say watch Fate Stay Night first for a better watch.
>Fate/Zero is better in my oppinion
Fate Stay ruins a lot of stuff for Zero as well, like you know, the entire conclusion of the war.
They both spoil stuff for each other.
One of my friend refuses to read VNs, even if they're completely clean. And the problem isn't reading, since he does read LNs. It's really stupid.
For the very moment you know there is a Fifth Grail Wair you already can guess that the Fourth ended up in a bad way.
>I would say watch Fate Stay Night
>you will never be part of the generation that saw that reveal live in theaters
I do feel that F/Z spoils more about F/SN than the other way around. Like F/Z reveals the shit about Sakura as a character's backstory, when in F/SN she's built up and a nice character living a normal life until the last route.
But Koijirou wasn't a real servant. He was an anomoly that existed adjacent to the grail's power, but not directly influenced by it.
Not if you don't know what the intricacies of a Grail War are or what a Grail War is in general, which tends to be the state of anybody who hasn't read anything from the Fate franchise.
>tfw your group of ~5 good friends all watch anime, play VNs, and use /a/
I thought he WAS a Servant, he just wasn't a Heroic Spirit.
She was pretty cool in the Fate/Zero anime though.
I dunno about the VN
When I was watching clannad someone spoiled it to me just as I was going to watch the episode in which she died
While I am saddened by less Seiba, this stuff makes up for it.
I hope this is real because I'm laughing my ass off right now.
Okay first off
The British Empire was not something Saber would approve of
It was an empire created by the invaders of her invaders
Arthur was Welsh
Or well, he was part of the original Celtic peoples that lived in England before the Saxons invaded.
Secondly, fanservice aside (which is mostly just present in the side materials) Saber is a fleshed out complete character.
Take, for example, her main issue. That she "killed off her sense of self for the sake of becoming a just king"
That works whether you're a guy or a girl. That she's used as fanservice is only a reflection of what the fanbase sees, not what Nasu sees
Basically, if Saber's turned into kawii uguu shit...it's our fault for asking for it
I think there might be some odd matches in here that would keep it a bit interesting
Who lives, who dies first, who teams up, and what happens.
if this is your first playthrough, fuck off now
Nero, Gilgamesh, Cu, Iskandar.
I'm mostly apathetic to the other classes.
Best girl in the best route.
I feel bad for Rider.
>a non arturia archetype saber
pshh, one of the requirements for saber is that she has to be a weak little blonde female with a sword
Did you even play Extra?
Nah, he'd teach Sakura how to be a man in abut a week
Archer: EMIYA. He's the coolest.
Lancer Gay Bulge
Rider and Sakura´s faces makes me think of lewd things
I just had an interesting mental image of Sakura being physically destroyed by Iskandar's foot-long cock.
>Sakura becoming an ultra-confident tomboy who conquers the fuck out of Shirou's ass
But what if it was Waver and Medusa as the Rider entrants?
As in Saber of Red, or Nero?
Waver would get too nervous to talk to her...unless you mean post-Grail War Waver
Saber of Red is hardly even red, she's more white with red trim.
He'd wish it was Alex
>"Ten years I wait to see him again, I go to another country, I join this life and death match, and this happens"
I sense disaster.
She'd pop his boycherry
Fate wasn't bad; IMO, it was the best one.
It's not just the introduction, it's the arc with the best framework. If any combination of the three routes' key themes or relationships happened, it'd be easier to fit them into it. Shirou was also interesting as a pretender, a wannabe shonen protagonist, and the core relationship with Saber was made more interesting because of that.
I liked the roaring testosterone of Shirou-vs-Archer and Kotomine, but it just seems dull to me when people act like Fate wasn't good.
I would prefer more crazy pairs like:
Shirou - Heracles
Rin - Iskandar
Kotomine - Arturia
Illya - Diarmund
Shirou would fucking die.
>If it really was that bad, why did you ever dare to continue the VN and move on to UBW and HF?
Because my friend assured me that Sakura's route would be great.
I just finished Heaven's Feel
>That last day
>That Seiba fight
>Sakura's VA nailing the despair
>YOU GONNA GET PROTECTED
>THAT FINAL FIGHT AGAINST KOTOMINE
>That Ilya ;_;
>That True Ending
I really liked that ending. I think that the VN as a whole was handled very well except for the sex scenes, they were laughably bad. It was a very enjoyable read. I haven't read many VNs, but I still enjoyed it a lot. Now I'm moving on to Fate/Zero. Should I expect despair from the butcher?
Not if he's summoned as Archer!
What else would you expect?
>implying Alexander's sixteen inch long monster would not still be like throwing a hotdog down wormslut's hallway
Consider reading F/Z rather than watching it. Both are good, but the LN is a lot more in-depth.
>Kotomine - Arturia
Just imagine Fate if it had HF's Kotomine.
The same kind of tutorship, or cool experiences, even the tofu scene and where Kotomine saves that person's life for Shirou, the same kind of help...and then Shirou finds the orphans in the church.
>Likes : Betrayal
>Talents : Betrayal
>Dislikes : Betrayal
Why not both?
Read F/Z's novels and then watch the anime. If you cry easily, have some tissues nearby. It's a hell of a ride.
Bazette's been betrayed enough, she'll know where he's coming from.
broken beyond belief, all other pairs irrelevant
Most people just watch the anime. It might be harder to motivate yourself to read if you watch first. I'd definitely advocate both though.
Did Kotomine really save that woman's life?
Or did he simply feed her to Gil?
You know the woman that was attacked by Rider/Shinji.
Did you play Sparks Liner High?
Every time I hear shinji talk i'm like: "STOP TALKING WITH THAT VOICE!"
When I consider the story from the other routes, that Kotomine basically put Shirou into the grail power that wrecked servants hard in HF, this moment becomes a case of creeping badassery to me.
>Ryuunosuke and Assassins
He wouldn't last a day.
Guy from province in China where mapo tofu was invented here. It has a type of seasoning that makes your mouth go numb, and it's actually more numbness than spicyness. Very flavorful too.
Feels somehow wrong in a way, like Kotomine found affinity with HF Shirou for a reason, the final match between Kotomine not holding back only works if they're both a little super human but at the same time are too dead to accomplish much, and it just feels like there's a direct parallel to them in the final route where as in Fate he's leaning more towards another path. Somehow the idea of Fate Shirou understanding how his power really works feels off as well, even if HF Shirou didn't get all the answers on that either as much as they were just shoved up his ass as painfully as possible.
Are the novels translated? Because I can't read moon
I never noticed that Gil wore rings until now. Am I fucking blind or does only this official art feature them?
Yeah they are.
You can find them on Baka Tsuki.
I don't think so. Which bad end is that?
It's super effective against servants in particular, while against humans it mainly makes them feel sick and curses them. A servant no matter how powerful will not be able to go against it, but at worst humans just tend to be very fucked up from it.
He is usually using an armor and he used so much jewelry during the Fourth Grail War.
After that he sold it and used it to buy expensive wine.
Kerry/Gil would be the same shit as Tokiomi, Gil has no reason to fight for him so he'll just sit on his ass drinking wine while Kerry has to do all the work by himself.
Half these pairs, and Kerry/Gil is broken, they'd win for sure.
Final bad end, don't take Rider along to fight Saber
Shirou will be forced to pull Archer's greatest technique out of Kansho and Bakuya in a fight to the finish.
Not the final bad end, there's two against Saber.
Come on, we've been through this several times.
How is the translation? Most things there seem to have mediocre translations.
I personally can't think of other instances where Gil wears rings.
There's one edition with absolutely shitty English and then an edited edition that's a lot more readable. Let me find the edited edition, hold on.
It's bearable, but I think they're exaggerating the quality of the LN. It's more detailed than the anime but it also lacks stuff like the great soundtrack and the wonderful VA work of the anime. I'd personally recommend to watch the anime first and if you liked it enough to read the LN afterwards. That's what I did and I felt it was a good order.
Fate Shirou and HF Shirou were different people. Kotomine's nuts and is mentally broken, and is trying to justify everything he does with a broken philosophy. Fate Shirou is responsible enough to call him out on this shit and fight back. HF Shirou can't call Kotomine out, though, because he's just as shattered.
>Shirou really DID learn an unbeatable technique a human can use to kill a Servant after all
How would post-UBW Archer react if he met HF Shirou?
It's not about calling him out on shit, it's the poetry of two broken men on opposite sides that reached for the same thing, and in that last moment all they can do is uphold their ideals they've had until then.
Then Shirou goes "No.. I was like him recently, but that's different now, I have a goal now while he's just fulfilling an ideal he's set out for with all he has because it's all he knows". Then he starts wailing on Kotomine for the first time in their match, before getting beat down a bit again.
Fate Shirou is still a Shirou who seeks an ideal for the beauty and sake of it because it's all he has at current, and while it may change it was never touched upon in the route itself much. I don't necessarily agree with people who say "No, Shirou was cured of his shit in Fate just like he was in HF, but without giving up his ideals" since that's not quite how it works.
Thanks for the link, anon. I'll give them a read sometime later
But Kerry isn't as stupid as Tokiomi, he'd find a way to subjugate Gil with his command spells.
Still I can't predict what would happen when Kerry starts ignoring Gil.
It's not a bad end
It's an end
Not even the Tiger Dojo acknowledges it as a bad end
It's the only one with that distinction
Three command spells (two in reality, since their personalities definitely won't get along Kerry can't afford to use the third because Gilgy will kill him immediately) for six other servants. Plus he'll need to save two of those three for the conclusion to force Gilgy to blow up the Grail with Ea (maybe even all THREE if Gilgy refuses to dirty his greatest treasure, wouldn't that be something). Odds aren't good.
Truly a tyrant
Beating her master to death over not making lunch on time
>dat moment when the music cuts
>only the drops and wind in the cavern
>suddenly Mighty Wind
What is the best fight in FSN and why is it Spark Liners High
Girl gets MEAN when food is involved
No, he wasn't planning on making lunch at all that day.
Eh, I just assumed she was Joan of Arc and thought the reveal was kinda dumb.
Fate route was the weakest of any of them, but at the time it was the only one translated and I did really like it.
My mistake: I was thinking of the talk before the fight, and had forgotten his realisation in the fight itself. Don't get me wrong, by the way; Shirou/Kotomine is my favourite thing about HF.
I think Fate Shirou deserves a little bit more credit than that. He's definitely fighting for the ideal, but he's also fighting for Saber's sake - I actually remember him saying that his main reason for fighting in the grail war became Saber.
I'm not sure why people think his ideal wasn't touched upon much in the route itself - it was represented metaphorically through Shirou's relationship with Saber. She embodied the ideal in many ways; when he protested against her own stubbornness, or pleaded for her to reconsider things or not to feel regret, he was therefore challenging himself. Or at least building a memory to sustain him for when the going gets tough in the future.
Oh, I guess that justifies his death then, silly me.
Guy just said that in haste or embarrassment at the time, there are ways to get him to make shit that don't involve attempted murder.
I went in completely blind.
I thought she was Joan of Arc.
That time it was for Taiga making dinner.
Joan of Arc would have actually made a little bit of sense.
Why did so many people think Saber was actually Jeanne
Because someone was blocking everyone's vision.
Hm, just realized Shirou's final choice in HF was the Phoenix moment, as he was reborn as a human who finally learned to put priority on his life.
The final choice between absolute death and "Is there.. another way" for a single instant he wonders if there's a way he can do this without having to die as well while recalling how he promised he'd come back to her in time. In pretty much any other show this would kind of be the reverse, with the hero being applauded for sacrificing himself in the end as it's the correct choice, but here the answer was learning to value your own life as well which gave enough time for a small miracle to take place as Ilya caught up in time.
Kind of reminds me of Heroman ending
In UBW and HF it's more be a retard with basic self preservation skills.
Because she's one of the most famous prominent female historical figures with a background involving direct participation in warfare.
More like he learned how to point his obsession at wormslut instead of at saving people. He didn't change nearly as much as people think he did
It wouldn't save hundreds of lives(since it was 50 or so people who died in HF, the rest of the 140 or so casualties were comatose)that's just blatantly ignoring that Zouken wants you to try to kill her, he even mentions trolling Sakura further to Hassan.
People would really have to be moronic to think that was the right choice when the antagonist behind the scenes is going for precisely that end.
Besides, if Ilya had bothered to tell them where the Greater Grail was when they met up and wasn't so secretive, things could have ended much quicker, by attacking the source, not a proxy.
Go read that part again, he's earnestly begging to live in a way, and more than just Sakura he can only think about how he wants to live when Ilya shows up as well despite not wanting her to keep moving forward to sacrifice herself. It's not that he's perfectly normal now as everything is fine, but there's some humanity seeping through the cracks as a choice that is befitting of a Shirou before that point emerges "maybe there is another way".
Because Sakura wouldn't smile if he died.
Nah, he wasn't obsessed with Sakura, it was the normal him in a really bad situation.
Or did you forget that he mentally thought of killing Rin in UBW if she endangered Taiga by doing something reckless when Caster held her hostage?
The boy is really protective of the people around him.
That's a big part of it
For the anime, do you think they'll fix "I am the bone of my sword" or keep it as it is?
There's nothing to fix
Do you think it should be "Bane of my Sword" or something?
>older world-weary you could steal your HS girlfriend from past teen-activist you without even trying.
It's the truth of Archer. Seriously, fuck past anon. Only, you know, not.
He'd just jizz his pants before things got started anyway. What a fag.
Nothing to fix and it would just ruin the nostalgia for anyone who is familiar with the series
Fix what, exactly?
That's the Engrish that Archer says, but an actual translation of the text is something like "My body is made out of swords." Further lines are even more skewed.
I'm ashamed that I got into FSN through the coconuts copypasta.
I hate to do this but...Does someone knows where could I dowloand Fate/Extra?
Nobunaga is a genderswapped Archer using a rifle.
It's the correct Engrish, the Japanese part and English parts are different even if they mean basically the same thing here. Japanese don't know or care if it makes sense which it still does, rather they just like random English in songs.
There is no "actual translation" as "I am the bone of my sword" is something he literally says in English, although there is an alternate reading of his chant which is a different sort of thing from translation.
That Engrish IS the spell. It's not a translation error, it's in Engrish to begin with, or so I've been told.
The little poem is cool, but it's not the words of the spell. It's just a poem.
The best part of True was Sakura being the one who watched over and maintained Shirou's body on her own for a year.
Also the part where she teases both Rin and Shirou about being nervous toward each other. It was great seeing her not give a single fuck and being completely confident Shirou is hers.
How much interesting would the Fifth Grail Wair had been if it took place when it was supposed to (once every 60 years) instead of 10 years fater F/Z?
Do you hate happiness?
Same masters except everyone is old?
It would be humorous, at least.
Any rom site. Most are pretty dodgy, but they work. Try emuparadise.
Yes, same masters.
Let´s pretend guys like Kirei somehow managed to reach their 90s.
Wouldn't that require Satan to be kicked out of the grail?
Anyway it would probably be the same Kirei is a fucking zombie after all, and Zouken is still more or less a vampire.
The VA KILLED that scene. I laughed so fucking hard.
Because Kotomine vs Shirou exists
>dat right-to-life for all the evils of the world
>All the Evils of the World
>Light and Dark
>I punch. I punch. I punch
>We were really similar after all
Stop it. I can only be so erect
Top 3 fight scenes
>Shirou vs Kotomine abortion debate
>King of Heroes, do you have enough swords
>Sparks Liner High
God dammit anon.
Doesn´t "Tohsaka anus" counts as a fight scene?
It's my preferred way of describing the fight, people that get it find it hilarious, people that don't are just confused so it doesn't really spoil anything
Not a bad list.
I really want to put Nine Bullet Revolver in there though. But they're all pretty good.
That was one of my favorite parts. I don't think it would have satisfied me as much without the abortion debate.
Why does Shirou get all the best fights
Gilgamesh vs Shirou is one of those things that's good in concept, but the actual implementation was lacking
Archer vs Shirou was far more involved.
The new anime could change things...
>tfw I still haven't seen F/Z
Also, should I read or watch KnK first?
Yeah, it deserves to be there too.
Yeah. Archer vs Shirou was the real climax. Everything else was just falling action
While Nasu can be over critical of his older work, it is a fact that his writing of the Fate series has improved over the years. If they're not afraid to mix some stuff up, he could give ufotable some tips on some stuff to change. Ufotable can have their own ideas too, of course.
I just got into TM/Nasuverse late last year.
Been fairly casual in terms of /a/, so I'm trying to get my feet wet with the big players.
I doubt it. Pew-pew sword fights, even if the powerlevels are higher, don't quite beat putting Shirou putting his belief system on the line. I can get the former from DBZ, but not the latter.
Artist are their own worst critics after all. You should have seen Yoko Taro beating himself up on twitter a few weeks ago over Drakengard 3.
Fucking thank you
Shirou vs Archer was a better fight from a character standpoint
Shirou vs Gilgamesh was a better fight from an action standpoint, it also has that one liner
>tfw don't know that but
I wish most of my friends weren't normalfags
Shirou wouldn't be alive, but EMIYA probably still would have been Rin's servant.
> ου Ἡρακλης
> νεπιος εις ω χειν'
i met my friends in high school; we were all kids who were too smart and jaded for our own good and dicked around with technology instead of chasing As
we sort of gravitated together, realized we liked more or less the same stuff and have stayed friends through uni
non-normalfag friends are awesome
Shirou would be like in his 60s as well as Rin, Shinji and Sakura.
Illya would be in her 70s.
Kirei would be around his 90s, and I suppose that Caster´s master would be the same.
>Shirou vs Gilgamesh was a better fight from an action standpoint, it also has that one liner
No, not even that much. Even from an action standpoint Archer vs Shirou was better executed in every way. When I say there's more involvement it's more than just character motivations and heart, but the desperate struggle feels more involved here Shirou struggles for his life while tracing blade after blade to get back in there, and the climax was all around more in meaning as the viewpoint kept changing while Emiya plays. Gilgamesh vs Shirou was more Shirou flounding around at first without knowing how his abilities work as Gilgamesh is literally not doing anything involved at all there, he's just playing around with a mouse that dared challenge him as opposed to the struggle on both sides with the previous battle. Then Shirou activates his ability and it just goes in his favor in a scene that might have an alright one-liner but just could have been more in a way in terms of heart or meaning. Then we just have no real climax being reached as Gilgamesh sprouts a black hole on his arm that sucks himself and the RM into it. Shirou vs Archer you actually watched the clash from both sides, while the first half of Shirou vs Gilgamesh Gil is just standing there dicking around while throwing the occasional sword while Shirou writhes around.