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Has there ever been an Evangelion/Watchemen style deconstruction of Shonen?
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That's what Evangelion/Watchmen already are.
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>>101920072
"deconstruction"
That just the IRC was of saying really shitty
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>>101920196
I mean like Naruto/FOTNS/DBZ style shonen.
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Hunter x Hunter
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Devilman deconstructed shounen fightan before shounen fightan was even a thing.

Discuss.
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>>101920072
>"Its not full of shitty characters and bad clich├ęs, its a 'deconstruction!' "
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Super Sonico.
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>>101920466
>shounen
Devilman has little to do with anything remotely related to shounen.
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>>101920072
Medaka Box is probably the closest you're going to get.

The manga, not the anime.
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>>101920072
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But Evangelion isn't a deconstruction.
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>Either of those
>Deconstruction
>Any anime being a deconstruction

Nope.
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>deconstruction
Oh boy.
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>>101920602
>Devilman has little to do with anything remotely related to shounen.
I'm sorry?
>World overrun by enemies
>Male lead granted superhuman powers and stronger transformed form to fight them
>Fights progressively stronger enemies, ending with his rival/counterpart
Oh, and lest we forget:
>Published in a shounen magazine
And the deconstruction comes into it because he can't save his child friend from being brutally murdered, the world is not saved, and he dies without winning.
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>>101921063
Considering that is not what that word even means, you could not have missed the mark anymore than you did.
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>>101921234
Whether or not the use of 'deconstruction' stands in this case, Devilman is indisputably shounen and that guy is an idiot. You may now carry on.
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If you want something that takes tropes of a shounen and put it in a realistic story, go read ashita no joe, but it's not a deconstruction because it was made 40 years ago and was the bases for sports manga.
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>shounen
>being deconstructed

That's like saying a SoL can be deconstructed. There isn't much that's groundbreaking for shounen aside from fighting.
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>>101921569
What is Eva supposed to be a deconstruction of then?
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>>101921621
Mecha.
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>>101921645
By your logic Gundam did that decades before Evangelion even existed.
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>>101921718
Maybe anon will say Eva is a deconstruction of the real robot series.
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>>101921766
The distinction between 'real' and 'super' mecha is retarded. /m/ would be at this faggot's throat.
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>>101920072
FUCK THE FUCKING deconstructionism BULLSHIT!!

I wanna watch an animu with cute girls, upskirt panty shots, and shounens who aren't pussy-ass!

Fucking Wapan and their sheeple bullshit!
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Evangelion is Anno's worship of various mecha, sentai and Go Nagai works. It's not a deconstruction.
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Go back to tvtropes, OP.
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Medaka box?
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Some people would say Medaka Box, but it's not necessarily a deconstruction, just a series made to appeal to people who have a lot of battle shounen experience.
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>>101922753
It's not a decontruction, it's just entirely self-aware. It doesn't actually deviate from standard formula, at least not to a significant degree.
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FLCL

/thread
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>>101922198
Serious question. Does /a/ actually hate TVtropes because they don't like the people who write the articles, even going so far as to avoid using the same jargon and slang that they do? That's weird and completely retarded. It's like running into someone who refuses to read Wikipedia for the same reason. If it's entertaining and informative why would anyone actually care about Editfag #4563830's personal life?
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>>101923630
Because the majority of the people who write for that site have no idea what they're talking about. Evangelion is not a deconstruction and Rei is dandere, not kuudere.
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>>101923630
TVtropes gets hate because it was taken over by moralfags that deleted all "questionable" articles.
Basically all the hate is just that newfags dont give them clicks.
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What is even a deconstruction show supposed to be like anyway?
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>>101923803
Interesting. What's an example of something that was deleted?
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>>101923882
The stuff that was deleted was mostly hyper autistic "real life examples" or "This Troper" stuff where people talked about how they were elite Navy Seals with 300 kills and it was so cash.
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>>101923630
A combination of shitty writing, website drama and censorship. All of these will become apparent if you actually look at their dicussions or more than a handful of articles.
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>>101923630
>"If it's entertaining and informative"
But it ISN'T.

That's the problem.
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>>101923630
Their MLP pages are longer than wikipedia articles on various countries. Think about that.
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>>101923630
TVtropes, as a site, as a concept, is retard trash. It is just flat out Wrong about what it is discussing and is parroted by idiots who have no idea what they are talking about either.
The fact that it is written by dumbasses is another issue, but one that doesn't help it.
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>>101924120
Wikigroaning isn't a valid argument now, never has been, and never will.
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>>101923882
All of the loli. Kodomo no Jikan, for example, was deleted.

And then all of the clever trope names were replaced by boring clinical bullshit, robbing the site of all of its charm.

This was the real death knell: when the site stopped being about inside jokes among fan communities and pretentious fuckwits started to think that it was some kind of legitimate reductionist media criticism, despite the fact that there was a fucking disclaimer on the front page explaining otherwise.
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>>101924283
>wikigroaning
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>>101923882
>>101923964
They deleted stuff relating to rape IIRC, a site that aims to encompass all that is media shouldn't not have censorship at all and have no agenda whatsoever, a database can't draw conclusions after all.
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>>101923630
I think it's a fun site

No one's pretending it's a legitimate academic resource so I don't get why people get angry over it
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>>101924381
>a database
>TVtropes
I think I found your problem...
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>>101924283
What the fuck does wikigroaning even mean? The point is that they sperg over something like cartoon ponies way more than they ought to.
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>>101920072
Berserk
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>>101924464
You want to know a reason?

It's because you are wrong.
Especially here: "No one's pretending it's a legitimate academic resource".

but also here: "fun"
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>>101924479
I was shoehorning a Hyouka reference, sorry, but my point stands, TVTropes shouldn't pass judgment on what is ok and what is not.
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>>101924510
Something Awful is No Fun Allowed: The Website
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>>101924679
SA is garbage and appointed a child rapist as a mod.
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>>101924510
Wikigroaning is complaining about the length of articles (too short, too long), usually depending on perceived importance or lack of importance of said article.

Example:

"The history and politards are wikigroaning about The West Wing article again. They say it should be shorter or that the article about the actual west wing of the White House should be longer. What a bunch of nerds."
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>>101924852
Well considering one is about a real place and the other analyzes cliches with cartoon horses I'd say I'm pretty justified here.
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>>101924652
Yes,
It shouldn't pass judgment on what is ok and what is not.
It shouldn't be subject to paranoid concerns about content.
It shouldn't do more harm than good when it comes to the discussion of narrative,
It should be a resource for understanding and deepening the discussion storytelling.
It should be held to a standard of accuracy and usefulness and not to the standard of teenagers who want to blog and "squee" over their favorite shows.

Guess what the chances of any of that being a reality is?
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>>101924381
I never got why rape is considered so bad when murder is ok.

Not saying either are good.
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>>101925435
Feminists.
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>>101925391
In short moralfags are the least moral of anyone.
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>>101925501
Nah I think it is that we can comprehend rape but our mind shuts out murder.
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>subverting cliches = deconstruction
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>>101923694
>Rei
>dandere
>not kuudere
hAHAHAHA top lel
get a load of this faget
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>>101926069
>hAHAHAHA top lel
>get a load of this faget
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>>101920273
Try Boku no Pico, never did me wrong when I was acting like a faggot.
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>>101926069
Nice counterargument, mongoloid. Why don't you go back to adding entries to the fanfiction recommendations.
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>>101926204
Gilgamesh is that you?
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>>101926204
>b-but not counterargument
HAHAAHHAAH
>HE ACTUALLY THINKS AN ARGUMENT WAS MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
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>>101926437
You're right -- you provided nothing to base your statement on in the first place. Thanks for admitting you're an idiot.
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>>101923694
>>101926069
>>101926106
>>101926204
You're all faggots, but Rei is kuudere more than dandere.

To be absolutely precise tho , she doesn't fit in either category.
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>>101926437
Greentexting like a stupid /v/irgin doesn't make a particularly strong platform.
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You're all idiots.
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Excel Saga
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>>101921569
SoL can be deconstructed easily

just make the girls stop acting like cats in heat
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>>101924933
>reading comprehension
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>>101926530
>>101926615
Don't reply just report and ignore.
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>>101926755
I don't think you or the OP know what deconstruction means.
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>>101927019
Honestly, at this point it doesn't matter. How people actually use a word, is far more important than some archaic or outdated definition of it. This is what deconstruction means now, simply because so few people actually use it to mean otherwise.
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>>101920072
>deconstruction of shounen
>deconstruction of a demographic
It's not a fucking genre you dipshit
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>>101926530
>damage control
>MAXIMUM DAMAGE CONTROL
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>>101923882
Apparently the faggots deleted Seikon no Qwaser which considering they were the reason I found that masterpiece in the first place pisses me off to absolutely no fucking end.
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One Punch Man
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>>101926567
If Rei isn't a dandere, can you give me an example of a character that is? Genuinely curious about this, I've always seen Rei mentioned as dandere.

Kuudere, on the other hand, I see mentioned along with C.C.
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>>101927671
You are one of those people who still use the word nerd?
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>>101926688
Reminder that Kanedere is by default complete and utter shit.
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>>101920072
>deconstruction
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>shounen
>genre
You fucking wot m8?

If you're referring to battle shounens. Devilman, probably, since it's influence reaches pretty far and wide.
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>>101921718
It did though, and so did Evangelion. Deconstruction is a process by which axioms and laws are set in opposition to new scenarios and disassembled in order to accommodate to new information.
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>deconstruction
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>>101926688
Kitsune was a pure maiden under the guise of kane-dere.



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