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I'm reading the LN, so i'm wondering a thing. Is Touma going to beat every enemy with a punch? I can understand that he can beat a child or a woman with a punch, but ffs. How can he beat EVERY enemy with a punch? Are they really so weak?
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No, he doesn't beat everyone with a single punch, but his main plan will forever be
>punch them until they turn good
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>>101896099
>Is Touma going to beat every enemy with a punch?
Don't worry, eventually he'll lose to a completely ordinary magician.
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he beat the last one by dying
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>>101896277
He seduces her by dying over and over and over again.
Big Difference there.
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He gets his ass kicked by the guys who are actually physically stronger than him or at least have the skill to fight well without relying on the supernatural.
Most brutally in the case of Acqua.
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>>101896620

and mah boy Tsuchimikado
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You could hire any regular non-academy city martial artist to kick his ass. Why is anyone having trouble with touma goddammit.
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When dealing with enemies who have supernatural powers why doesn't touma grab them with his right and pummel them with his left?
If you're close enough to punch you're close enough to grab.
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>>101896650
Because the only people who are after him are too proud to use martial arts (ESPers) or guns (Magicians) and he's also under Aleister's protection, because IB is essential to his keikaku.
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>>101896650
Because his actual power is making his enemies act like idiots.
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>>101896649
Funny that touma took an ungodly amount of damage in his fight against accelerator but is still able to fight (zapped to near death, pummeled by shotgun pebbles, etc).
Yet he couldn't take tsuchi's martial arts.
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>>101896099
you're watching the wrong show OP
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His power is actually Level 6 Plot Armour
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>>101896099
This series is so damned frustrating. Nothing makes sense, and everbody's a god.
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>>101896808
Nah, his ESPer power is LEVEL 5 Limb Exploder.
Plot Armor comes for free with the Invisible Thing.
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>>101896840
>Nothing makes sense, and everbody's a god
Most things make sense.
The only thing that really didn't make much sense to me was that Othinus is actually supposed to be the real Odin.
It bothers me.
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>>101896840
Read In Memoriam on spacebattles.
It's Raildex with all the dumb shit flushed out.
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>>101896723
What I don't get is that none of the magicians who use medieval weapons can beat him. Not one of them seems to use a non-magic weapon or depend on magic defenses working to fight properly. They all seem so utterly incompetent, to a rather implausible degree. Any halfway decent swordsman should be able to just stab Touma as soon as he gets within range, but none of them can do it. It's really silly.

>>101896756
This seems remarkably likely.
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>>101896650
Magicians are glass canons.
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Oh wait, you mean to tell me a moeblob harem anime/LN has shitty nonsensical plot?

STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES
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>>101896882
>none of the magicians who use medieval weapons can beat him
Ordinary Magician Acqua fucked him up with his normal sword of +100 normalcy.
Sasha almost killed him before he talked her out of it.

Why would magicians use weapons if they can just magic people to death?
They just don't understand Imagine Breaker.
There's a whole 5 people who know more about IB than "it negates magic or something like that", so go figure what the average magician is going to know about it.
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>>101896882
>Any halfway decent swordsman
Who?
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>>101897017
See >>101896974 and >>101896620 and >>101896216
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>>101896882
>Any halfway decent swordsman should be able to just stab Touma as soon as he gets within range, but none of them can do it. It's really silly.
Nah, they wouldn't be able to. Touma's plot armor would activate and give him superman tier reflexes and speed. Here's a sample.

>The sound of an explosion rang out.
>With the massive destructive power, large amounts of earth got swept up, and formed into a 15m high and 300m wide tsunami made of earth. The entire vista got covered by it, and it struck as if to swallow the tiny lad.
He should be dead with this attack.
>Even if he was wearing military-use power armor, his body of flesh and blood would be crushed along with the synthetic materials of the body armor.
>Even so.
>Pacha!!* The Level 0 charged right into the soaring earth.
>His body got pummeled by massive amounts of rocks, but none were fatal attacks.
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>>101897072
>He should be dead with this attack.
He dodged.
Precognition against supernatural things.
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>>101896933

This, I don't understand why you fags are pretending to watch this for the plot, it's just about the usual harem clichès, focus on that.
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>>101896099
Touma has a real mean fucking punch, he puts his whole body weight behind a rock hard fist that almost always lands in some ones face. Unless you're physically above normal, you're going to get knocked the fuck out.
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>>101897132
You read it for the plot.
It gets somewhat interesting by the time the Anime ends.
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>>101897110
>precog
Like I said, superman tier reflexes and speed.

Also,
>eating up kamachi's half baked writing
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>>101896882
Well, when it comes to actual technique, Touma has no finesse, but his instinct and premonition is godlike. And that was before NT9 where he basically calculated a god.
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>>101896974
Okay, so there's a Acqua and maybe a few others, but I was mostly thinking about the Amakusa Church ones. They've no reason to believe their magic would fail and they may not know what IB can do, but you'd have thought they would at least have enough skill with their weapons to fight against an unarmed kid without needing magic. I mean, I would't expect them to be Olympic class fencers, but for supposedly elite fighters they're really bad at adapting. And really just using their weapons in general. It's a little innocuous is all.
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>Precognition against supernatural things.
This fanwank is getting out of control.
Touma's "precognition" is merely instincts he honed from getting into fights against espers.
It's a shit explanation made to account for Touma's plot armor.
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>>101897179
Sure it's superhuman, but it's not really supernatural. Bitching about it is like bitching about spiderman's Spidey sense. Kinda pointless, it's something they both rely on heavily.
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>>101897258
It's plot armor don't get into too much fuss about it.
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>>101897295
Nigga touma walked through a gigantic earth tsunami, where debris are flying around chaotically and at fatal speeds.
Touma's "precognition" is just a poor patch to explain away his plot armor.
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>>101897422
When was this? And was it magic based? I mean, the only thing that's going to kill you outright in that scenario is a large rock smacking you upside the head. If it's magic based, than all he really had to do was hold his right arm ahead of him. And if it's later on in the LNs, after Touma learns to deflect rather than outright negate, it's even easier explained away.
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Index is just a shitty series and Touma a shitty, invincible, one-trick pony MC.
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>>101897258
He managed to take down an Amakusa swordsman with a bottle of oil.

All of the weapons and tools the Amakusa use are magical in some way or form. They're heavily reliant this. They use seemingly ordinary items like slippers and even the clothes they wear are perfectly put together to maximize their magical efficiency.

Touma fucks with magic the moment he comes anywhere near it. He needs to come in contact with it in order to outright dispel it, but passive effects are neutralized just by him being there. Any buffs the Amakusa receive will be lessened by his mere presence. And he's no sloch athletics-wise.

He can't beat Tsuchimikado in a straight fight, but I doubt most Amakusa can either. The Amakusa are way too reliant on their magic. I doubt that their actual skills with their weapons are significantly high than a normal kendo practitioner's. Touma may be a "normal high school student", but the guy gets in life-or-death fights nearly every week. He has more experience in these sorts of fights than probably even the Amakusa's substitute pontiff.
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>>101897072
See >>101897493

>than all he really had to do was hold his right arm ahead of him.
Touma can't do that shit he can only negate the primary effects of a power (supposed to anyway, IB doesn't give a shit about consistency). Once the rock is launched physics does the rest.

>And if it's later on in the LNs, after Touma learns to deflect rather than outright negate, it's even easier explained away.
What the fuck? What are you talking about? "easier explained away"?
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>>101897493
It was a huge wave of earth that Accelerator shot forward.

Touma avoided getting killed by instinctively finding a "weak point" in the earth tsunami, an area with the lowest concentration of rocks and debris.
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Not a LN reader, so what is Touma's arm? What is IB and what is that dragon thing I keep reading about in threads?
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>>101897678
To explain it in a simple way:
Magic, of any kind distorts the world and changes the way it naturally is.
IB restores the world to it's natural order.
The Invisible Thing is something and it showed up for the first time during the Most Irrelevant Girl Arc, when he got his arm cut off by the Alchemist.
It then shows up during the WW3 arc to get hit by one of Fiamma's attacks, after which Touma forces it back into his missing arm and IB regrows.
Later on it also gets wrecked by Othinus.
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Reminding y'all who the REAL hero is, and who is the pretender.
Gunha is all hero, all the time..
Touma tied up a twelve year old (who was likely an orphan) in his bathroom and tried to steal her prosthetic arms.
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>>101897610
Shit got the post links backwards.
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>>101897795
post-memory loss Touma is not a hero, he doesn't care for being one either.
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>>101897258
The Amakusa aren't "elites". Where did you even get this idea?

Anon, here's the thing about magicians: very, very few of them could ever be considered to be "elites". Even most Saints like Kanzaki aren't hardened soldiers. Tsuchimikado makes this very point in Vol.4: Most magicians bring too many unnecessary things into battle. They're too emotional, they get swayed by their enemies' words, and they're often too biased in regards to their surroundings and the situation at hand. And why shouldn't they be? Most magicians become magicians in the first place in order to fulfill some personal goal. They're not professional soldiers or assassins. They're a bunch of children who are willing to sacrifice everything in order to get what they alone want. The only reason Magic Cabals and the like exist is because it's very difficult for even a magician to accomplish anything completely alone. That's why they unite together, to reach their own personal goals faster. An "organization" like that wouldn't have professional training or the like. They're only using each other.

The most "professional" magicians in this entire series are Acqua, a mercenary, and Oriana, who was one of the few magicians to give little heed to Touma's words. Frankly, she would have actually won if not for Aleister's intervention with the fireworks. He won the fight, but that's because Oriana had few counters for Imagine Breaker, which she didn't expect to run into.

The Amakusa definitely aren't "professionals" or "elites". A normal Amakusa probably can't even hold a handle to a proper knight, even ignoring Curtana's buff. The only Amakusas worth any salt are Kanzaki (a Saint), Tatemiya (the substitute pontiff) and possibly Itsuwa.
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>>101897757
so nobody knows what it is?
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>>101897868
Pretty much, yes.
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>>101897868
Aleister knows, and Fiamma caught a glimpse of it.
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>>101897610
What I mean by "easier explained away" Is that the problems you posed were easier to explain. It's a pretty comman expression. any way, If he deflects one rock upwards, it alters the trajectory of those it comes in contact with, creating a small space of breathing room around Touma. At least, that's happened a couple times before in the LNs.

>can only negate the primary effects
Yeah I'm not too sure on this either. I think in raildex world, to use railgun as an example, as it's only through AIM manipulation and shit that the coin is given momentum, when he comes into contact with it, he's essentially destroying the personal reality that made the coin move. I mean, Yeah you'd assume it's still a coin moving at 1/3 the speed of light or whatever, but Idunno. I've yet to see a good explanation outside of "It just happens"
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>>101897892
Fiamma saw but didn't understand.
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>>101897757
Actually that whole dragon arm thing was just shit the alchemist created as he shat himself. I don't think it was the Invisible Thing
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You ever been punched in the face by a buff as fuck MAN?
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>>101897941
The visible dragon itself wasn't, but that's the first time It showed up.
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>>101897920
Imagine Breaker had nothing to do with him surviving that earth tsunami. Nothing in the narrative even hints at this. The narrative is ALWAYS clear when Touma uses his right hand. Touma did not use his right hand against the earth tsunami.

What Touma did was instinctively analyze the effects of Accelerator's power and found a "weak point" in the earth tsunami, the area with the absolute lowest concentration of rocks and debris. By reaching that point and tanking any damage he might have incurred, he kept damage to an absolute minimum. People have miraculously survived terrible natural disasters and tragedies with minimal injuries before; you see them on the news and such from time to time. They do this by just happening to be in the right place at the right time. By complete and utter chance, they just happen to be in a spot where they'd receive minimal injuries. Touma's precognition simply removes the "chance" part of that phenomenon and he actually seeks out and finds the area where he'd be able to make it out of such events (so long as they're created by supernatural means) alive.
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>>101897989
Really? I was anime-only untill SS1, or SS2 I forget which was just after the Invasion arc. And I hear the the Deep blood Arc is dome much better in the LNs, so maybe there's some detail I'm missing.
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>>101898010
Well fair enough. I was basing my arguments around what I've read/understood, But seeing as how >>101898030 I cant' really argue either way.
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>>101897920
>What I mean by "easier explained away" Is that the problems you posed were easier to explain. It's a pretty comman expression. any way, If he deflects one rock upwards, it alters the trajectory of those it comes in contact with, creating a small space of breathing room around Touma.
Touma isn't going to negate the momentum from the rock and that strategy you posted would be completely useless because IT'S A GODDAMN EARTH TSUNAMI!(yes I know about touma surviving the thousand ice daggers, yes it's bullshit)

Touma has only human reflexes and speed (please don't bring up precog I already dealt with it). He wouldn't survive a giant wall of earth coming at him at sonic speed.
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>>101898117
Again, he found a weak point in the earth tsunami, and area with the absolute lowest concentration of rocks.

And they weren't coming at "sonic speed".
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>>101898117
Well. I Disagree, however I no longer have any points of my own to bring up, so >>101898169. However, I am glad we've been able to simply discuss, and not devolve into shit-flinging. Thank you, /a/non
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>>101898030
About the Invisible Thing.

There's apassage in the LN that doesn't make it into the anime.

>The King Dragon’s head had emerged from the severed right arm.

>It was supposed to be a monster created by Aureolus’ fear of Kamijou. That was the logical analysis. But, in that situation, had Aureolus Izzard truly imagined that there was a transparent King Dragon’s head living exploding out of Kamijou’s right shoulder?

>The likelihood was low but what if, just what if, that monster was unrelated to Aureolus’ powers?

>...

>Impossible.

>However, Kamijou remembered Himegami Aisa, the Deep Blood, who had a power only effective on vampires. Considering that her power capable of killing vampires had caused so many incidents to revolve around her, how valuable was Imagine Breaker, Kamijou’s right hand, that negated even miracles?

>In essence the basic question: What is Imagine Breaker?
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>>101898811
Seems to me like the image of the dragon's head was created by Aureolus' powers.

My reasoning? Because in every other instance, no dragon's head appears. Why did the dragon's head appear in Vol.2, when it didn't appear all the other time an unknown power flowed out of that severed arm?

What was there in Vol.2 that wasn't there in Vol.22 or NT4?

The answer is Aureolus. If a dragon's head appeared in his presence but failed to appear at the other two times where it should have appeared, the one must conclude that the dragon's head, or rather, the image of that dragon's head, was Aureolus' doing. Basic deductive reasoning.
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>>101896099
>How can he beat EVERY enemy with a punch? Are they really so weak?

That is his secret...
This show is shit
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>>101896099
but all the mages are always weak against force types . this make it eassier tobeat with a strret punch . on the other hand he is weak and could be beaten if hes hitten like accelerator almos did.
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>>101898893
Perhaps the power was there, but It was Aureolus's power that morphed it into a Dragon's Head, cuz the dude couldn't interpret it any other way?
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>>101896099
>Not realising that the only reason that Touma wins or loses is because he automatically gets whatever result that turns out worse for him. Dying is a blessing for him.
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>>101896099
Enemies Touma has beaten with a punch:
>Stiyl - 14-year-old with non-existent endurance due to his magic sapping all his strength
>Aureolus Dummy - was a magical construct; started falling apart the moment Imagine Breaker came in contact with him.
>Accelerator - 15-year-old with absolutely no physical resistance due to relying entirely on his power his entire life
>Sherry - Magician/artist/librarian. No, she does not, in fact, lift.
>Agnese - Midget. She also does not lift.
>Oriana - Required multiple, repeated punches.
>Biagio - Was an old man. Probably did not lift.
>Vento - Required multiple, repeated punches and also was severely handicapped by Aleister being a dick
>Hamazura - Had no resistance to physical pain due to rarely getting hit and thus having no resistance to pain. Required multiple punches and a headbutt. Also got beamed in the face by a giant sheet of glass earlier.
>Terrorist 1 - Touma punched him repeatedly out of anger.
>Carissa - Was launched with the explosive strength of a Saint, so the punch that landed on her face was much, much stronger than any of Touma's normal punches.
>Fiamma (2) - Much like Accelerator, he also relied entirely on his power his whole life. The moment his power was shut down, Touma was given an easy victory.
>Saronia - I don't remember and I don't care.
>Marian - Clearly did not lift.
>Birdway - Is a 12-year-old girl
>Tsuchimikado (2) - was already weakened and had already lost much of his drive by that point

Now here are all the fights Touma FAILS to ends with a punch, and instead was required to rely on something else:
>Aureolus
>Etzali (though he probably would have won anyway had those steel beams not fallen)
>Tatemiya
>Terrorist #2
>Rensa
>Freyja

And here are the fights he lost outright:
>Kanzaki
>Tsuchimikado (1)
>Acqua
>Fiamma (1)
>Othinus (1)
>Thor
>Othinus (2~∞)
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>>101896796
Accelerator was just piling damage, Tsuchimikado went specifically for the knock out zones that leave you unable to move
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>>101899405
Funny thing is, even in his severely weakened state in NT7, Touma believes that Tsuchimikado still should have won that fight.

Guess those revelations he received prior really shook him up that badly.
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>>101899350
Accelerator can actually take a LOT of punches, both Touma's and Kihara's. Describing him as having no physical resistance may seem right given his powers but we've been shown otherwise
Biagio also took two punches, one to the face, one to the body, and a giant cross being tossed at his direction
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When WORST was making Umidori do the stupid poses she started making odd noises. Does Umidori have a robotic voice too, or was she just surprised and making noises while trying to resist?

Also, why are her original arms mechanical? I get the attachment ones, but unless the beams fried her original hands I don't see the point.
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>>101899460
Tsuchimikado is a fucking monster, man
Guy already had one of his major bloodvessels broken even before his fight with Seria, after the fight he proceeded to climb up a FUCKING 50 FLOOR BUILDING, and even then he was still faster than Touma
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>>101898893
>Then, an abnormal change began on Kamijou’s right shoulder that was releasing blood like a fountain. The blood loss increased and an object formed as if the blood were being splattered all over a transparent glass statue. And unbelievable object began to take shape.

>What formed on his shoulder was not a human’s arm.

>It was a head, a savage, two meter long head seen only in ancient legends, the head of a large and almighty King Dragon.

>What should have been a transparent head was dyed with blood. The boy raised it and swung it, slowing opening the jaws containing rows of saw-like teeth.

>It seemed like it was revealing the right hand’s true identity.

Also from Vol 2.

The dragon form was invisible, and only the way Touma's blodd splashed down on it gave it its image.
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>>101899566
Presumably, her arms are mechanical because she doesn't actually have her original arms anymore.
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>>101899598
But it's not like the other times his arm got severed were any less bloody.
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>>101899566
If you had the opportunity to remove your arms and get new academy city ones, I don't see a reason not to, besides cost.
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>>101896099
It's apparent you've never been jawed before, or seen anyone be jawed before.
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>>101899566
If I'd have to guess, its probably neccessary i order for her to wrap her mind around the idea that those extra arms are a part of her body.
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>>101899639
She needs to get surgery regularly in order to keep maintenance up. It's probably a huge pain.
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>>101897132
>>101896933
Hey person. This isn't a KyoAni thread
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>>101899639
Even Umidori says that the maintenance is a pain in the ass
>“Do you know what the lifespan of precision equipment is? Think of a computer. If you have it at full operation 24/7, you’ll be lucky if it lasts three years. Do you really want a body that requires surgery that often?”
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>>101899710
I like how Umidori just can't handle Touma at all. She can talk down on Hamazura and give lip to Accelerator all she wants, but a conversation with Touma practically drives her mad.
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>>101899747
Darkness dwellers can't handle the pureness of T.
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>>101899747
Even Accelerator himself says that edgy people like him and Umidori are goners if they get stuck in a situation where they lose their dark atmosphere, and can't get it back through violence
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>>101899615
She voulanteered to get them replaced, I was wondering why.
>>101899659
Makes the most sense.

>>101899747
To be fair he was pretty annoying. He tied her up with her own clothes for a start. Then he negates her immense power with ease. and started trying to remove her other arm. In a few seconds she'd gone from incredibly confident and powerful to becoming an armless, powerless 12 year old girl. If that don't throw you off balance I don't know what would. Finally, even when he tries to help he starts ramming signals down her pain nerves.

Still not sure about the voice though. I remember she was unable to speak at one point and had to write down the message, so I think her voice is at least partly artificial.
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>>101899883
This scene made me appreciate the fuck out of Touma's character.
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>>101899906
The main problem is that she got completely caught up in his pace.

He doesn't really care about stuff like "darkness" or "villains", so no matter what kind of edgy crap she spouts, it would have had no effect on him. On top of that, he started murmuring about cat ears.

And the worst part is he's actually pretty reasonable. He brought her food and he keeps making it abundantly clear that he has no interest in being her enemy. Against someone who's that unguarded, yet still has the power to completely negate your greatest weapon...

Well, it's not really something anyone would really have any resistance against.
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>>101899973
The best part was that he didn't even do a proper block. He just sort of casually waved his hand around in front of the beam and said what it was. That's the ultimate "I'm not looking for a fight and you can't even start one" message if ever there was one.
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Didn't Touma die? I remember him dying.
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>>101900229
Technically he's never completely died. That would've resulted in IB finding another host.
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>>101900229
He lost all of his memories which counts as dying in the first volume, then he died for real at the latest volume
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>>101898169
Look it's really simple.
Imagine the world's top athlete or the most badass navy seal on the planet going up against the wall of earth. Using simple common sense you can conclude that both of them are going to get torn to shreds simply because IT'S A GODDAMN EARTH TSUNAMI coming straight at them (the text even says that the debris would crush a human even if they were wearing armor, and a wall of earth that large would have to be moving extremely fast).

The question is why do people defend such blatant shitty writing? "Precognition"? "Instincts honed from fighting against espers"? Come on guys. Why is it so hard to accept that it's just crap writing?

>>101899405
Argh goddamit. I'm too tired for this.
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>>101900195
Touma really needs to start abbreviating more often.
>IDTI, IDTI
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>>101900229
Just the figurative death of losing his memories and when he actually did die fighting Othinus the final time, but she reversed it.
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>>101900377
So, what, you just don't like Touma's spider sense then, is that it?
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>>101900377
That scene was written from Accelerator's POV, so of course it's left out how the fuck Touma was able to survive
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>>101900377
>>101899232
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>>101900463
I'm saying it doesn't make sense and it's a just poor patch to explain away the plot armor.
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>>101900377
>…The eighth shot overcame the restrictions of the third dimension.
>Kamijou felt a static electricity-like spark on his spine and immediately swung his head to the side as hard as he could. An instant later, space suddenly split open and an arrow assaulted the world.
Eat shit.
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>>101900377

Except this kind of thing does happen in real life, as pointed out here: >>101898010

There ARE, in fact, reported cases of people getting out of seemingly impossible situations completely unscathed just because, by sheer chance, they just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Most of those people have no training or particularly special qualities, so that proves you don't need a body of steel in order to survive huge disasters.

All Touma's precognition does is take the chance factor out of it.
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>>101900504
>so of course it's left out how the fuck Touma was able to survive
Imagine if the scene was animated. The frodos on /a/ would have a field day.
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>>101900625
We've already had situations where Touma survives just because animated, like in Volume 11
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>>101897795
Why should Touma be a hero when it bothers him?
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>>101900556
It's nice that we'll never have to deal with another "KUROKO COULD BEAT THE BULLSHIT MARY SUE" argument ever again
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I sometimes wonder if the Japanese have these Touma arguments as much as us, I've heard that they don't take Index's biting scenes seriously over there
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>>101900891
To be honest, I've never taken any of Kamachi's works seriously. I don't think even he does. I mean, just look at some afterwords (the recent "lovestruck goddess" comment) or the names in Heavy Object. I can hear him laughing when writing.
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>>101900891
They don't take silly comic relief scenes seriously?! Those monsters...
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>>101901074
I don't either, his works are best when they're being absolu-fucking-lutely ridiculous, such as the dwarf making human chairs, and tables, a human being being cooked out of a bathtub, and later having her leftovers used to satisfy a brain eating pillarman, or soldiers stopping their gunfire, and cheering for the power of a mother penguin's love prevailing against its child's hunter
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>>101896879
Pfft.

You can't be serious.
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>>101901158
Indeed, she and that lightning shooting cunt are monsters who deserve to be flogged for their terrible acts in the comedy zone
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>>101901186
>cheering for the power of a mother penguin's love prevailing against its child's hunter
I love that shit. Probably best part of HO for me
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>>101896879
HAHAHAHA

No, just no
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>>101901074
Did he expect index to ever get this big?
Maybe he was just writing a religion vs science thingy and it all just got massively out of hand.
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>>101901271
It was his first book. He said himself he didn't think he'd get past the first volume. He was surprised when people actually bought it like hot cakes.
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>>101900598
>All Touma's precognition does is take the chance factor out of it.
Look I understand it's reasonable for a person to hone their reflexes through experience but in order for Touma to survive that not only does he need superman tier reflexes, he also needs superman tier speed. It's like a martial arts master catching a bullet. It's ridiculous and I'm fine with it so long as you accept that it's ridiculous but you fags keep defending it.

Because seriously, that earth tsunami isn't going to be moving at a speed where a human can just reflexively find an opening (and also pray that the opening isn't going to close while they're inside because shit is flying everywhere FAST). If it did it would be comical.

The only way to survive it would be by luck which is one of the essences of plot armor. A character surviving through repeated fatal events by luck or their circumstances of survival is poorly explained or contradictary.

Since you're pointing to real life I urge you not to forget the vast majority of victims that died or suffered crippling injuries. Don't forget that the surviving victims' circumstance can be explained through environmental factors.

TLDR, stop defending shitty writing!
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>>101901074
I don't take it seriously at all. It's just a fun ride for me.

Not that I don't participate in ridiculous speculation threads, but really that's just another part of the fun.
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>>101896879
>Tsuchi and Aogami are a gay couple
>Long paragraphs talking about Saten's beauty
>Author loves Nagaispace
>Mikoto can't hack because she "doesn't like computers
>Author nerfs IB without actually understanding how he's nerfing it and applying it inconsistently
>Everyone else is nerfed as well

Eat shit.
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>>101896879
You mean with all the fun shit flushed out.
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>>101900807
With plot armor turned off Kuroko and Misaka would hand Touma's ass on a platter. Fight me.
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>>101901617
>Bitching about Touma having plot armor when Misaka somehow beat Frenda and Mugino after working non-stop for three days without eating, and was able to not be splatted immediately by a Saint
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>>101901415
That's not how his precog works.

By the time his opponent's started attacking, he's already begun his counter. In order to dodge a bullet after it's been shot, yes, you'd need superhuman speeds and reflexes. But if you know exactly where the shooter is aiming, what his intentions are, and know the exact timing of when he'll pull the trigger, then that simplifies things immensely. Furthermore, Touma can analyze his surroundings and factor them into his calculations, AND he can sense any minor changes his opponent's AIM, mana or telesma have on the environment.
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>>101901461
>IB is actually consistent and is unable to affect ontological inertia
>Physics, politics and character intelligence is treated with respect
>The setting is more mature
>He hasn't read the latest chapter
How can I be the one to eat shit when you're drowning in kamachi's?
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>>101901678
It means she's just that much better than mugino, anon.
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>>101901767
The author doesn't seem to understand how heat works.
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I don't care how stupid it sounds, I have an idea.
Assume that luck is a natural thing, and that the IB negates it. Same goes with things like the red string of fate. What if it keeps some kind of "grim reaper" at bay? Like, it negates the force of random death?

As I said, stupid as hell idea but I'm gonna stick with it until everyone can stop with "muh plot armour/precognition" debates.
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>>101901837
Sure, what the hell it wouldn't be the strangest thing in this series, though I favor just going with his misfortune keeping him alive long enough for him to go through suffering with Othinus, and having to fight against the whole world for her
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>>101901678
I'm not bitching about plot armor. I'm bitching about fags defending plot armor. I'm ready to accept their plot armor but Touma's stand out more because they are completely outrageous and fanboys are retarded enough to defend them.
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>>101901837
But the post limit is so far away.
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>>101901617
With your "plot armor" turned off, Kuroko would have died much earlier than intended, and Mikoto would be dead the first time she met Accelerator.
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>>101901907
Mikoto has more of your "plot armor" than Touma.
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>>101899464
The only powerful punches Accelerator got in the first fight with Touma was the first, one in the middle before he started making plasma, and the last one. The others were just light jabs.
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>>101901796
Are you sure? I thought that his explanation for pyrokinetic abilities great. He's far more competent than Kamachi in the physics department (and politics and treating the setting with respect).
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>>101901951
She doesn't fight as often as Touma does, nor does she accomplish the things he does. Let's not forget that she isn't anywhere near as important and relevant as he is.
So not really.
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>>101901993
He's still a puny noodle who has never been hurt by anything or anyone, he should've been done for the count even if the later hits were just light jabs
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>>101901617
Well yeah, but they can do that with plot armor on anyway.
It's just that Kuroko has no intention of fighting him (outside of getting him away from Misaka) and Mikoto can just fling heavy shit at him endlessly.
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>>101902029
>treating the setting with respect
>Did this >>101901461
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>>101901951
>this nigga
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>>101901767
But IB is consistent. The only inconsistent thing here is your knowledge of the series. Please stop talking about things you know nothing about.
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>>101896099
>Are they really so weak?
>implying his pimp hand isn't just absurdly strong
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>>101902031
Mikoto's win ratio is much higher than Touma, has Hamazura-tier environmental advantage every time she fights, and she is being literally protected by several characters, including the Big Bad and 2 MCs. Not counting NT8-9:
Mikoto:
>around 21 fights, not counting repititions, with 17 won, 2 lost, and 2 drawn. Mikoto won ~80.95% of her fights, and only lost ~9.52% of them.

Touma:
>around 44 fights, again not counting repetitions, with 29 won, 13 lost, and 2 drawn. Touma only won ~65.91% of his fights, and lost ~29.55% of them. Including repetitions will further decrease the win-lose ratio, since he lost one more time against Thor, once against Fiamma, one more time Carissa and once against Birdway, while he won once against Tsuchimikado (only at face value), one more time against Accelerator, one more time against Oriana, and one more time against Stiyl. If we take these into account, the stats would change to 52 fights with 33 won, 17 lost, and 2 drawn. That's ~63.46% won and ~32.69% lost.
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>>101902068
I'm sorry but those are typed from the lens of fanboy rage goggles. See >>101901767 it's a more reasonable account.

Read the latest chapter holy shit, you'll understand what I'm talking about. Also, Misaka's hacking is nerfed to make Uiharu more relevant.
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>>101902036
He should have been down for the count in the first punch. Accelerator had more "plot armor" than Touma in that fight.
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>>101902029
>treating the setting with respect
He treats his setting with exactly the level of respect it deserves. Your precious fanfic author is nothing more than a self-important butthurt idiot who can't come up with his own story setting so he has to steal one from another story he clearly doesn't care for, dress it up with a level of seriousness that was clearly never intended by the original author and arrogantly claim it as superior based entirely on his standards and his standards alone.
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>>101902199
Everything is nerfed to make the four girl band more relevant. The author using the Nagai-interpretation of characters as a jumping off point for his rebuild is only an additional sin.

And seriously, you're trying to say the only true things about a fanfic are the positive things? How much shit can you eat? I like the humor and banter for the most part, I just gag at his plot.
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>>101902087
Continue eating kamachi's shit you deluded fanboy. I'm done.
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>>101901415
>not only does he need superman tier reflexes, he also needs superman tier speed.

The first thing to consider is how fast the earth wall is moving, how thick the earth wall is, and how consistent is is.

We already know that its not consistent.

So let's say Touma has 2-3 seconds to before the wall hits him.

In those 2-3 seconds,with good reflexes, its not entirely impossible to spot a nearby thin area and jump into that space.

Especially if you focusing in the area you know you can get to in time.
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>>101902186
Now compare the relevance and accomplishments of each character.
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>>101902199
>Aogami is now suddenly gay because I felt like it, and is dating Tsuchimikado because why the fuck not?
>Maika is no longer a maid and is now a super hacker just because
>Stiyl is now a man in his thirties named Stephen and uses a gun against a robo drone rather than fucking magic
>And lets change all the terms too because the term names are stupid and I don't like it
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>>101902276
Good. Next time, don't even try to discuss things you don't understand.
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>>101902276
>being this mad
>defending your bullshit SB fanfic

SB writing forum went pure shit once the WORM/ME/SAO/EXALTED/FoZ took over.

That all that there is on that damn forum.
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>>101902298
I don't see how those have anything to do with "plot armor".
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>yfw Touma goes full kerry and puts the skin and blood of his right arm into special bullets

An IB gun would be downright terrifying
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>>101896099
his hand absorve energy.
then when he punch some one he unleaches the energy
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>>101902269
>I just gag at his plot.
Top kek.
How can you even type that with a straight face?
If you gag at his plot do you have a seizure at kamachi's?
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>>101902252
>dress it up with a level of seriousness that was clearly never intended by the original author and arrogantly claim it as superior based entirely on his standards and his standards alone.
Someone actually did this? Holy shit, not the same author but it reminds me of a certain someone who's butthurt that the series he's making fanfic of didn't have actual drama and not 'deep enough' for explaining all the terms in it.

I'd rather read stupid shitty shipping fanfiction rather than reading those tryhard fanfictions.
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>>101902373
That idea does have some potential when it comes to being an Esper power, but that isn't how IB works
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>>101902356
Wouldn't do anything. As long as Touma lives, IB is only IB if it is attached to him. Those pieces of flesh would only retain IB for a short while until the extracted portions regenerate.
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>>101902407
Good enough to be shot at his enemies.
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>>101902338
Ok then, compare the power of the characters they have fought againt, and how powerful both are as well.
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>>101902356
That would be pointless.

There can only be one Imagine Breaker at any given time. Any skin lopped off of Touma's right hand would be normal skin with no power whatsoever.
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>>101902390
I don't think you even know the plot of Index, despite how simple it is and how many times it's details have been repeatedly revealed.
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>>101902390
His plot is basically mixing Worm style writing into Toaru. Plus he makes shit darker for no reason I can see. The series is depressing enough already that I can only see it as a way to pad his own ego.

"Hey guys, look how super serious my plot is!"
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>>101902432
Those still have nothing to do with plot armor. And that's not how fights and "powerlevels" in this series work in general. Touma couldn't even beat a simple Hound Dog or a group of 4 or more thugs.
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>>101902406
no idea then
started ln 11 yesterday.
that was the only explanation i could think about
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>>101899566
Worst has full control of her arms and there are zero doujins?
I am dissappointed
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>>101902482
I had to laugh at the latest chapter when I realized that the author couldn't decide weather Misaka could read Kiyama's thoughts or not.
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>>101902536
Man, doujinshi only few doujinshi ever get scanned, and those only once a series gets big enough to have a substantial amount.

You won't see Laura, Umidori or Birdway doujinshi until they actually get important or animated at all. And even then only if someone feels like ripping his version apart rather than more SLUT BRIGADE I HOPE YOU LIKE MIKOTO BECAUSE THEY TOTALLY DO.
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>>101902536
Characters not named Misaka Mikoto, or Shokuhou Misaki will never get doujins
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>>101902396
>all this "butthurt" accusations
I'm sorry but there's nothing of the sort to be found in the story thread. The only butthurt here are fanboys who can't take the fact that there are people who consider In Memoriam much better (physics, science, politics, plot, handling the setting with maturity) than the Index LNs.
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>>101902432
Touma: two Saints wiped the floor with him
Misaka: keeping up with fucking Saint, said fucking Saint didn't just punch Misaka in face and pulverized her upper body.
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>>101902624
I don't think anyone cares what other people consider. There are people who like Twilight as well and I don't rage about that. People can like what they like without prejudice.

People told you their personal opinions here is all, and I suppose you just have really thin skin. Sorry about that.
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>>101902659
While I think Misaka not being creamed by Brunhild was pretty bullshit, her not letting go of the sword did make sense since she needed it to deal with Misaka's iron sand attack
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>>101902659
I'm gonna have to defend Brunhild there, she very likely wasn't even trying. She neither used magic, which she has been shown to make use of normally, nor did she simply drop her weapon, which hindered her, to simply fistfuck Mikoto to death. Add Birdway's plan in there and it's quite evident.

It's still bullshit that Mikoto was able to react to Brunhild's first attack at all. But I'll be damned if I'm going to get into another discussion about it.
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>>101902624
>Butthurt
>Butthurt leves rising
>Butthurt levels rose beyond ability to comprehend.

If your butthurt had mass, It would already suck itself into a repeating cycle of butthurt that will end up as a blackhole as shitty as your actual blackhole.
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>>101902536
There will never be a WORST doujinshi where her dread loses to her inner Biri and she has a fearsex with Touma.
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>>101902482
>Plus he makes shit darker for no reason I can see.
Let's be respectful. It does get dark but it handles those parts more sensibly and mature than in canon (DARKNESS, DARK SIDE, GROUP, SCHOOL, TEENAGERS etc.).

It's less cringe inducing.
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>>101902624
Let me just say this.

Let's say you read a book. Let's say that you didn't like what you saw. Let's say you decided, "Hey, I could do better than that."

What would be the logical course of action?

Simple. You create your own story and prove you can do better.

What you DON'T do is steal the setting of the story you just read, strip it of anything you personally didn't like, add self-proclaimed "improvements" to it, and pretend that your product is superior. No, it does not prove that you're the better writer, nor does it prove that the original story was inferior in any way.

What it does prove is that you're a self-important hypocrite who's only out to stroke his own ego. Why would anyone steal the setting of a story that they believe to be INFERIOR and adopt it as their own? What sense is there in doing that? All that shows is that the fanfic writer is either unimaginative, lazy or both. He's basically stealing the blueprints of another work and adding his own layer onto it.

That's the part that I can't accept. I don't care if he or you think that this fanfic is better. What I can't accept is the fact that anyone would have the balls to say that this blatant piece of hypocrisy actually proves much of anything.
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>>101902771
>fearsex

>Not hot older sister sex

She get the ultimate one up on ALL her siblings. Even the original.
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>>101902757
Brunhild holding back was what everyone thought when the volume came out as well, people just stopped mentioning it for some reason.
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>>101902621
Why not a Misaka/Umidori then?
If WORST can do it then Misaka can too.
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>>101902764
>projecting
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>>101902806
>older sister
But she's the youngest of them.
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>>101902885
She physically the oldest of the sisters.

What Touma doesn't know will not hurt him.
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>>101902787
Eh? Why use those as examples? The Battle Royale Arc works fine, don't think anyone has much of an issue with it.
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>>101902877
>butthurt

See. Anyone can do that. ;)
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>>101902911
Oh I think it might. It usually does.
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>>101902869
There are tons of misconceptions about that fight, such as Brunhild not being in top shape because of her dual nature which was explicitly refuted even in the novel, how serious she actually was intent to kill says nothing about the effort put in the actions. I can intent to kill you while just shooting you with a gun, or hunt you down, strategically disable your limbs and so on., Birdways plans and all that jazz.

Doesn't help that the Mikoto defense force played it up and Mikoto haters went ballistic over it.
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>>101902797
>He's basically stealing the blueprints of another work and adding his own layer onto it.
S-so Othinus is a fanfiction writer?
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>>101902797
>What I can't accept is the fact that anyone would have the balls to say that this blatant piece of hypocrisy actually proves much of anything.
It's not hypocritical. I accept that the author lifted the setting from kamachi but I also accept that the author handles the setting and writing much more competently than kamachi. Which is ironic since it's free yet you have to pay for Index in Japan.
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>>101903047
It would explain alot...
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>>101902983
Actually, what I don't understand is why Mikoto was even having trouble in the first place.

At the very least, why she was having trouble while Brunhild was carrying that sword around.

Thing is, carrying a large metal sword should be the biggest handicap of all when fighting against Mikoto. What, exactly, is stopping Mikoto from picking the sword up via magnetism with Brunhild holding onto it and tossing it as hard as she could? Of course, it would be easy for Brunhild to counter simply by letting go of the sword, but for the duration that sword was in her hands, Mikoto should have stomped.

Of course, if Brunhild DIDN'T have that sword, then she may very well have won outright.
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>>101903047
Yes, a shitty one at that .
She herself is disgusted with her own works.
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>>101903047
>>101903084
There's a joke to be made about segways and fanfiction in there somewhere.
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>>101903102
Because Brunhild is absurdly strong. She wanted to stop the blade and rip it away from her midswing only to be surprised by the fact that Brunhild didn't give a jackshit about her magnetism: her force exerted on the Claymore was simply greater than Biribiri's.
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>>101903047
She's self inserting as Odin obviously
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>>101903102
>Of course, if Brunhild DIDN'T have that sword, then she may very well have won outright.
Which is why it's rather logical that she didn't really care enough. She noticed how her Claymore dragged her down, she's not dependent on it and certainly not stupid. Still using it even after Mikoto used her magnetism is either a sign of stubbornness or something different. And it's certainly not necessity.
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>>101903070
What setting?

The setting is different. Shockz said so. You want to know what he really did?

He took the names of the characters and locations, kept their basic power set, and then told their whole characterization to fuck off.

What possible reason could he have to do that? At that point, it's easier just to write your own story. There's only one explanation. He needed to keep it as a Toaru fic because of his need to prove his own superiority over the original author. It's pure ego. If he wanted to just fix what he saw wrong, he could have written a derivative but original story. Instead he kept the name and used those specific characters.

And I'd rather read My Immortal than someone's masturbatory ego trip.
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>>101903070
It IS hypocritical, because you're claiming the original work is inferior yet still adopting it as your own and using it for your own work. That's just a massive load of bullshit if I've ever seen one.

Have you ever written a story from scratch? Created a setting? Created all the characters? It's not easy. In fact, just the brainstorming process of thinking all that shit up can take a massive bulk of the actual storywriting process. On the other hand, just having a base to work off of can make things massively easier.

Writing a fanfic is a thousand times easier than writing a story entirely from scratch.

This hack of a fanfic author is basically pissing on someone else's hard work and using its stripped remains as the foundations for what essentially amounts to a half-assed built shrine to his ego, then arrogantly proclaiming that it's better than the original. I have absolutely no respect for someone like that, and I certainly have no respect for someone who actually thinks this is an acceptable thing to do either.

If this guy had ANY faith in his own abilities as a writer, he would have written his own completely original work, creating everything from scratch using only his own imagination. The fact that he thinks this travesty of what he considers writing is in any way superior to ANYTHING just shows that, deep down, he clearly doesn't believe he can do better at all. It's sickening.
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>>101902787
You don't know anything about what's in "canon" to have any authority to refer to it.
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>>101902771
I wonder, now that Touma has become more selfish and you can say more human, can't WORST stop being scared of him and prefer T over vectors?
Or is it just my crack goggles?
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>>101903102
>What, exactly, is stopping Mikoto from picking the sword up via magnetism with Brunhild holding onto it and tossing it as hard as she could?

Because Brunhild has the pure physical power to bull through that kind of thing.

>Of course, if Brunhild DIDN'T have that sword, then she may very well have won outright.

That's kind of difficult to say. As shown by the first move, Misaka doesn't need to interfere with the sword to dodge Brunhilds attacks. Besides which, the sword served Brunhild as a shield for much of that fight.

So basically, Brunhild chucking the thing handicaps both her and Misaka.
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>>101903358
We got a bit of Accel x Mikoto in canon, this series has no crack.
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>>101903194
You don't understand. Strength is nothing in this scenario.

Let's say that Mikoto picked Brunhild's sword up via magnetism, and Brunhild came along for the ride. Now both the sword and Brunhild are suspended in mid-air.

What is she going to do? Swing the sword? How is that going to help? Strength is meaningless if she's floating in the air, unable to move. Her only course of action in that situation would be to let go of the sword.
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>>101903377
Read Norse Mythology SS to know how Brunhild really fights.
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>>101903406
You don't seem to understand. Mikoto tried that. She failed. Brunhilde brute forced through it.
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I get the whole "without sword she could've easily just punched" argument, but didn't it clearly state that she needed to use the sword to wipe away the iron sand attacks?

I still find it interesting that Thor was impressed that she could keep up her speed even after getting hit by a railgun. Which would mean that he thought the damage of it could be enough to inflict injuries on Brunhild.

>>101903406
I'm pretty sure saints have something going on which keeps them on the ground, humans aren't exactly aerodynamic so there has to be something stopping them from just getting blown into the air by lift effects.

>>101903467
The question is more "how the hell didn't she just lift both brunhild and the sword into the air". She certainly has enough force to lift a sword and a human into the air.
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>>101903406
She grabs the ground with her toes, silly.

Else I'm going with tons of centrifugal force keeping her too stable for interference like that. But the most likely answer is that Misaka didn't do that. She merely applied magnetic force to counter and stop her swings and couldn't manage that.
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>>101903358
Wouldn't work.

Worst fears Touma because none of the sisters have any negative feelings for him.

Unless you are implying Touma being selfish would piss the network off, it wouldn't affect Worst's feelings for him.
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>>101903512
Because Brunhild is holding the sword down. Mikoto couldn't even stop it, how do you expect her to lift it up?
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>>101903512
Also see >>101903420
NT6 is not how Brunhild usually fights.
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>>101903542
Because Brunhild has the same weight as a normal human, even if she can hold on the the sword with all her strength, lifting Brunhild herself should take as much force as lifting a normal human. If she'd hold on to the sword wouldn't that just mean that Brunhild just holds on to the sword while both of them are pulled into the air? Brunhild ain't anchored to the ground.
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>>101903542
By picking up Brunhild along with it, obviously.

Brunhild might be a Saint, but she's not exactly thick-set or anything. Mikoto's lifted up heavier things before. Picking up Brunhild along with the sword should be a cinch for her.
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>>101903738
It's fiction, characters with super strength tend to have some sort of inexplicable anchoring ability.

Otherwise, we'd see characters launch themselves into orbit every time they punched someone.
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>>101903738
Actually I believe Saints are. They have to use spells to keep up with their own body's strength. I believe the Acqua vs KL fight mentioned anchoring spells.
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>>101903760
> Brunhild might be a Saint, but she's not exactly thick-set or anything. Mikoto's lifted up heavier things before.
That's not how magic works. Magic by itself works as secondary powers and Brunhild can lift houses without digging in the ground, because this way people always believed superhuman strength works.
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>>101902771
Or
>Will-tan hijacking WORST and forsing herself on Touma only to release WORST during first orgasm
>Touma not noticing the change continues fucking
>WORST accepting her inner Biri following by leg lock
Never, damn it.
Seriously though, after LO and regular clone I'm waitng for WORST's turn.
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>>101903848
Yeah that would make sense. I don't remember that fight very well.
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>>101903309
>basically pissing on someone else's hard work
>hard work
Hey it's free. Plus more competently written than Index.
What matters is that there are people who likes a more serious Raildex and he delivers.
I really don't understand this "ego trip" nonsense he writes a more serious derivative for free and there are people who consider it better than canon. It's not about satisfying ego, it's about writing a serious Raildex because you enjoy the idea but the original failed to deliver.
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>>101903542
Fucking moot, can't upload a picture. Basically, Brunhild can't exert any additional force downwards no matter how strong she is; the only thing keeping her down is gravitation. While Mikoto can't match Brunhild's pure strength, she could outlever her because she's still strong enough to lift her and the blade without anything Brunhild could do.

At least theoratically, but I believe Kanzaki mentioned spells that keep them on the ground to avoid flying off when moving super fast. No reason this doesn't apply to Brunhild too.
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>>101904055
>Plus more competently written than Index.
Hot opinions you have there. Thank god I don't have to share it, right?
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>>101904055
>Plus more competently written than Index.
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>>101904055
Fine. You're free to enjoy it more, and it's none of my business if you do. Just don't claim it's "better" than anything.
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>>101903070
But he doesn't.

I mean, look at "Stephen", who meaninglessly wasted all his ammo on a droid, just so the Touma vs Styl match could go the same way.

Or his explanation on how Touma's power works in the first chapter, which looks detailed at first glance, but is actually fairly vague.
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>>101904055
Yeah what raildex really needs is a darker and more serious plot for people like me, who truly appreciate the musical ability and evocative lyrics of Linkin Park.
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>>101904055
>Thinking Kamachi doesn't work hard
>Not knowing of insane Exe work ethic
Oh well, enjoy Shockz's jizz.
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>>101903760
"Weight" takes into account force, not just mass. Mikoto's not going to be picking up a sword (which is constantly being swung with great force) she cannot even stop.
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>>101904241
Really bro? I'm more a fan of Nickelback and Simple Plan myself. Their lyrics reflect my lonely knowledge of how unique I am.
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Is there a screenshot compilation of Touma punching everyone
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>>101904241
Hey, nothing against Linkin Park. Their songs are good fun given you're not looking for deep, emotive shit.

I still have their albums from 2003 or so and I still like them, albeit for very different reasons now.
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>>101904080
F=m*a.
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>>101904329
File size would be too big.
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>>101904329
I don't think there's even a video of all of them yet. Nothing I have seen has them all, which is a shame.
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>>101904055
The problem everybody here has with him is that his fanfiction is neither real art, because the setting is more or less stolen from Kamachi and not an original peace of creation, nor real fanfiction, because it obviously wasn't written out of love for the original work, for it's plot, it's characters or it's athmosphere, but only to show how to do it better. Writing is not just about "delivering" but about passion and dedication. And it doesn't matter whether it's free or not either because art is no simple good, faggot.
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So do you guys have any Raildex fics you like besides Unlucky Star?

So far the only other one I've liked is A Certain World of Darkness, where Touma ends up "saving" Mugino while she's surrounded by thugs one day, she is not amused

I enjoy it for the fact that it does not whitewash her at all, and Takitsubo's a cutie, though it has a bad habit of meandering at times
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>>101904055
Are you seriously saying it's better because Kamachi asks for compensation for his work?

Are you that much if a shitbag?
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>>101904055
>What matters is that there are people who likes a more serious Raildex and he delivers.

Define serious in this context
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>>101904443
I don't read fics anymore.

I just don't have the will to weave through thousands of "hurt & healing" fics or "drabbles" that have zero substance to them. Every single page on ff.net I have to look through is just one more dead brain cell.
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>>101904497
And are you claiming something is better just because it's "darker" or "more serious"?
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>>101904534
The comedy ones can be good.
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>>101904534
Fucking this.

I just go to quests in tg and Brob.

I don't want to go read through shit anymore.
>>101904572
Most of them are full of shit. If you like the majority of them, Fanficiton.net have lower your expectations of quality.
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>>101904572
Thing is I often hear how you have to "weave through the shit to get to the good stuff."

I don't want to weave through shit anymore. I got tired of it years ago when I realized that the "good stuff" just wasn't worth all the shit. It smells bad and it makes me retch and I just can't take it anymore.
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>>101904534
Completely understandable, finding something decent in that place is hard as hell, I pretty much filter out anything with the words Misaka, Kuroko and love, Uiharu or Saten gaining powers, which pretty much cuts out like 3/4th's of everything
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I've actually got a Raildex/Madoka crossover I've been working on in my spare time. For various reasons, the next chapter's way past schedule and I don't even begin to pretend there are better writers than I up there.
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>>101904723
There's a fic like that on Pixiv.

I occasionally look at it and laugh at how hilariously out of character Touma is. The whole thing is just awful.
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>>101904623
Rubix22 has some decent Toaru stuff. Like I hate most fanfic but I'd give him a 7/10 overall. He's read the novels which help, and it's mostly comedy.

His backstory fics for the three protags are all like 9/10 probably.
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>>101904534
>>101904650
I know how much /a/ hates tvtropes, but at least for Eva their fanfic recs page was a pretty good way to sort out some shit. Though I'm not sure my tastes in Eva fanfic match what y'all seem to be looking for in raildex fics.
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>>101904723
>Madoka

Yeah, After seeing how fucking rabid the fans are, I'm staying away from anything Madoka related.

Still, If you want a quick read, here something to entertain you.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/make-a-contract-with-me-pmmm-story-only-thread.267767/

It a quest but it the story only thread. Just go and read it. You will enjoy it.
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>>101902276
I know this is late but wow was this guy actually arguing fan fiction and stolen ideas were better holy shit.
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>>101904777
>three protags

We're still calling them this?

I mean, let's be honest, Accelerator's barely even a deuteragonist. Accelerator only gets a decent role once every three or four volumes, and even then, he's either sharing the spotlight with someone else or playing second fiddle to Touma. And don't even get me started on Hamazura.
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>>101904601
>BROB
You just reminded me of that time someone tried to run a Raildex quest over there, people chose to play as an Esper, and then had a massive hundred page shitstorm over whether their character would be Suzushina Yuriko with scalar powers, or a more original character which I can't quite remember anymore

It ended up having only two or so updates till it died, the shitstorm was too much for the author probably
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>>101904120
>>101904163
I don't understand you people.
You're fans right? You like to mull over details of the universe but the author probably never even thought about it or the idea is extremely stupid. He doesn't understand physics, politics and the characters and plot that he writes would be right at home in Naruto or some shitty harem LN.

I'd quote the LNs but I doubt you'd see my point since you people are rabid enough to defend Touma charging through an earth tsunami. Why would you do that? The author never even thought much about it.
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>>101904850
He wrote those back in 2011, when they were still relevant.

It's probably the only good Hamazura fic tbh, made me want more.
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>>101904862

Eh, it's BROB - the entire thing is filled with page-sprawling arguments that start over the stupidest things. Of course, it didn't help that the Raildex quest's character creation has a lot of options.

Regardless, the only way to enjoy BROB is to find people screaming about outcomes of stupid choices as much as the actual quest. Barring rare exceptions such as the FFT quest.
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>>101904792
>madoka
Anybody here read To The Stars? What did you think of it?
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>>101904862
Nah.

That Esper Quest where people choose Ado Edem over some Exalted dude. That just Lilith attention whoring.

It lasted for about 80 some pages with like 15 updates.

Still, the GM left to do another quest where you be a little girl. It took like the whole fucking group of people to ask to play as a male and she still decided to go for a coinflip.

Still, thanks to that quest, I discovered that force fields fucking rock.

There a Esper Quest in TG where we play as a TK russian dude. Here some fan art.
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>>101904900
Yeah, I don't know about you, but I read Index for the characters, not for politics or physics. And I have absolutely no interest in this "Stephen" character or any of the other OC stand-ins.
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>>101904900
Everyone told you "Ok, keep your opinion, it's fine, good talk."

Your autism is showing in continuing this.
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>>101904975

I thought it was pretty decent, but too military sci-fi for me.
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>>101904424
>comparing Raildex to art
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>>101904443
Wintertime
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>>101904772
Actually, mine didn't have Touma show up at all. It's kind of weird, to be honest. I get some people praising me to the moon for this and others wondering where is he and when he's coming back. At least one person called me a /u/fag when I had actually finished the first two chapters before coming to 4chan for the first time in years.
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>>101905062
Well it's not really much of a Raildex crossover if he doesn't show up.

The guy's pretty much 70% of Raildex, after all.
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>>101904900
You know, that fight was not the first time Touma dodged a giant wall of debris, not even the first time he dodged one made by Accel, we have seen that he has the skills to do it, it is not that far fetched
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>>101904055
>I only like mature fan fiction for mature readers such as myself.
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>>101905060
Already read it, I'm still surprised that someone wrote a Kagun fic
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>>101904975
Nope. Madoka is still a goddess that only ends witches.

It not like she has the ability to you know, end entropy, bring universal peace, end entropy instned of just killing all the witches.

The fucking timeline is unchanged and It seems to be a horrible way to fight entropy. Chances are that Entropy would still happen, just at a slower rate that will end the universe.

Nice Job madoka, you did nothing. Jean la Arc still burn, that jew girl who was a magical girl stil died in the holocaust and magical girls still fight and die.

Here another Picture of Esper Quest in TG.
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>>101904374
I got you bro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tetu7ti2hwM
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People here browse spacebattles and read fanfics? I'm surprised.
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>>101905214
It must be a form of masochism.
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>>101902983
The thing is, you can't safely assume anything about Mikoto either. We've never seen her on the cusp of death before, so we don't really know the depths of her true ability. That and the fact that she's a moralfag champion of justice type prevents her from ever using the more interesting applications of her ability.
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>>101905143
Continuing with the Art posting.

Here a link in sup.tg for you to read. It a nice time waster that will entertain you.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=To%20aru

The bottom one is 4 but some anon misarchived it.

>>101905214
I used to but now it complete shit.
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>>101904329
Not even close to all but a good one
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>>101905143
>>101905265
These don't look like teenagers at all...
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>>101905298
The Esper program has been going on for at least 20 years so it's not too big a deal
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>>101905254
Because her powers would be completely useless against everyone who can put her in that situation
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>>101905177
Doesn't have them all. It's missing some.
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>>101905265
Here the last of the Fan Art.

>>101905298
He like 17 years old with a broken nose and russian with Slave clothes.

Maybe the dude who fighting on the third picture looks older but eh. That fine with me.

Here the last one.
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>>101905379
The fact that we haven't seen a single esper over the age of 18 in over thirty volumes of Index and nearly seventy chapters of Railgun leads me to believe that they simply don't exist.
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>>101897132

This would be easier to do if the series didn't take itself so seriously. I could probably appreciate Raildex more if I didn't read/watch NEEDLESS and One Piece first.
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Anyone here read any of flere's fics? The touhou crossover one comes to mind.
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>>101905254
There's an editorial edict that says Mikoto must never bleed nor be put into a life threatening situation derived from bodily injury.
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>>101905254
But we've seen the full extent of Brunhild's power and what she did during NT6 wasn't anywhere close to it. We almost certainly know she was holding back.
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>>101905441
Wait. How old is Mugino?
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>>101905441
Remember how the teacher looks like a loli and the fire dude is a child yet looks like an adult.

People can look older and younger than they are.
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>>101905479
Wow.

Just fucking wow. muh purity, muh waifu.

Wow.
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>>101905511
over the age of 18?
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>>101905511
17 probably.
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>>101905142
Well, it's a nice change of pace from all the KamiKoto fics, lesbian fics, or overpowered OC fics.
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>>101905547
She's Miki-tan's wife on account of how much she adds to his bank account. Of course he doesn't want to see her hurt, it'd damage his incomes.
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>>101905479
Does what's happening in Railgun now not go against that? Or does mindrape not count?
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>>101905095
True. The story starred Index.
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>>101905659
>out of all people, HER.

Into the trash it fucking goes.
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>>101905630
Touma and Gunha are really going out of their way to not hurt her
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>>101905441
That's because only impressionable children or chuuni teenagers become teenagers.
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Why doesn't that random no-name robber from Railgun just throw something in Alister's general direction? He wouldn't be able to do shit about it.
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>>101905630
She's not being harmed. "Danger" from being turned into a soulless abomination is nothing compared to showing her getting kicked in the guts so hard her spleen gets ruptured.
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>>101905794
There's an effective range upon which those balls will drop, simply because his AIM field has a limit to which it can extend.

Oh, and nothing stops him from destroying your balls. They don't start being indestructible, you know?
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>>101905794
Esper powers aren't absolute. Provide enough resistance and you can stop his power, especially with a low level esper like him.

Also, his power would only work within the range of his AIM field.
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>>101905794
Because Calculate Fortress
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>>101905738
True, usually Touma would be trying to punch.

He's going open hand and trying to grab her, because Biri.
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>>101905479

That's such bullshit.
So basically the author puts her in dangerous situations, but doesn't have the balls to actually hurt his character.
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>>101906147
It's a joke, anon. There's no actual edict like that.
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>>101900229
He died who knows how many times in NT 9.
It's a miracle he's as "sane" as he is right now.
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>>101906206
That's just what Miki want you to think.
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GcUKb19e
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>>101901617
Kuroko also died off screen, that just shows how irrelevant she is.
It's still not a fate as awful as Himegami's, all things considered.
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>>101906239
Not just dying, probably countless lifetimes of suffering before.
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>>101906206
That we know of...
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>>101902356
>not Touma combining his Level 5 Limb Exploder with IB to fire IB punches at his enemies
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>>101906422
There isn't.

Trust me.
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>>101902029
>the physics department
IT'S FUCKING MAGIC.
What's so hard about that to understand?
Abilities are just Aleister's heretical branch of magic, no matter how much "science" is applied to it in universe.
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>>101902302
>Aogami is now suddenly gay because I felt like it, and is dating Tsuchimikado
Aogami being gay is something I'd eventually accept, because he canonically has a fetish for everything there is, but Tsuchimikado not being a siscon is just heresy.
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>>101906147
Can't stop the Miki.
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>>101904850
>We're still calling them this?
There's no "we". Kamachi called and named them. We are just in an extended Touma-centered arc, just like the pre-GRS novels. Also, Accelerator and Hamazura took their respective MC roles in NT6 and NT7, respectively.
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>>101904900
You have, time and time again, demonstrated that you have absolutely zero factual knowledge of the Index LNs. Go ahead and "quote" them so we can laugh at you more.
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>>101906821
Even if you say that, the series has always been extremely Touma-centric, even after Accelerator and Hamazura started to gain some prominence.

It's hard to call them the "three protagonists" when one of them has roughly four times the appearances and importance as the other two combined.
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>>101904055
>Plus more competently written than Index
Don't bring js06 into this.
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>>101904080
>Basically, Brunhild can't exert any additional force downwards no matter how strong she is; the only thing keeping her down is gravitation
Welcome to magic.
It's not too far fetched that Brunhild pushes herself down.
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>>101906688
The problem with accepting that resolution in the context of this discussion is, 15 chapters in and neither Aleister nor the Thelemic religion are even referenced. AC's General Superintendent in that story is someone else entirely, and it may well be that the science behind esper powers is entirely different as well.

The author did say on one of his SpaceBattles threads to not necessarily use the Index canon as written in the books as a reference.
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>>101907019
>The author did say on one of his SpaceBattles threads to not necessarily use the Index canon as written in the books as a reference
It does matter here, because you compared Kamachi's work to this garbage.
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>>101906898
So you are going against Word of God? There is no opinion here. It's a fact that Touma, Accelerator and Hamazura are the three MCs. This is acknowledged both outside and inside (remember Aiwass' comments on the types of heroes) the series. Screentime has nothing to do with it. Otherwise, Index, Tsuchimikado, Stiyl and Kanzaki, who all had more screentime than Hamazura pre-NT (the 3 MCs were officially recognized in vol 22), would also be MCs.
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>>101907078
What the hell isn't attack crash a hero?
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>>101906688
I'm absolutely sure that a lawyer could win a case of the Magic Side deserving the title of Science side, far more than AC's Espers if he were just given an info dump by a Kihara and Birdway over how their respective sides supernatural powers worked

Fucking Espers
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>>101906898
Accel arc is gonna come up after Odin takes his leave and Ullr tends to the Throne of Gods, don't you worry.
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>>101907113
There are 7000+ heroes in AC. He's one of them.
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>>101907113
>Showed up in the Hero-Free-for-all
>Not a hero
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>>101907116
Aleister just doesn't want to talk about how his stuff works.
He's scared that it would make his keikaku no longer keikaku doori
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>>101907078
The way I figure, the word "protagonist" has meaning when it's relevant.

Hamazura and Accelerator are, obviously, only protagonists in the volumes that they have major roles in.

However, Touma alone is the the protagonist for the whole series.

You can call Accelerator one of the protagonists of Vol.15, 19, NT1 and NT6, but you can't call him the protagonist of the series as a whole. Only Touma can be called that.
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>>101907136
>"Accel arc"

He's gonna share a volume with Hamazura and it'll be another two to three volumes of Toum again.
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>>101907169
His Keikaku is no longer Keikaku Doori
A loli even made fun of him, and he could only impotently cut her hair
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The only good fic is Unlucky Star. And he hasn't updated in forever. End of story.
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>>101907182
Again, this discussion is not open to opinions. There being 3 MCs, and those 3 MCs being Kamijou Touma, Accelerator and Hamazura Shiage, is a fact. Read the afterowrds:
>This is a good opportunity to talk about the three main characters.
>About Kamijou Touma:
>About Accelerator:
>About Hamazura Shiage:
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>>101907222
Is Aleister dead or Aiwass gone?
If not, everything is still very much keikaku doori.
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>>101907249
They're the three main characters of Volumes 20-22.

Nowhere does it state that they're the main characters of the series as a whole.

The word "protagonist" means the character who has the greatest prominence of the story in question, the lead player. Not even the author can change the definition of a word like that, anon.
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>>101907169
We already know how esper powers generally work. It's basically a combination of the butterfly and observer effect. What we, and everyone else other than Aleister and Aiwass, don't know is how exactly they are able to cause this phenomenon. All we know about this is that it has something to do with AIM.

>>101907317
No. They're the three main characters of the series. The afterword of vol 22 was talking about the series as a whole. Why don't you just read it?
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>>101907241

>And he hasn't updated in forever.

He's obviously trying to outlast Casual Vento delivery
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>incredibly pedantic, pointless arguments about raildex

sasuga weebs
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>>101907389
And I'm saying that not even Kamachi has the right to change the definition of an established word. No one has that right. Nor can you force others to accept that made up definition.
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>>101907389
>All we know about this is that it has something to do with AIM
AIM is an effect of having that special sort of brain damage.
Also this whole "It's basically a combination of the butterfly and observer effect" doesn't mean much of anything.
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>>101907417

Man u sure showed us weebs ecksdeeeee!!!
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>>101907417
>Not having pedantic, pointless arguments
It wouldn't be /a/ without them
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>>101907420
Maybe js fucked up there, who knows.
Someone who knows moon should check if it really says whatever protagonist means in Japanese.
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>>101907420
He's not changing any definition of anything. The exact word is main character. The author decides who the main characters of his story are. You don't get to decide this, especially when said story isn't even over.

>>101907458
>doesn't mean much of anything
Only because you either don't understand it or don't even know what I was talking about. Pop quiz: how do esper powers work?
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>>101907458
AIM is an effect of the brain damage, yes, but what I am talking about is how AIM allows for the abuse of quantum mechanics.
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>>101907540
I haven't decided anything.

If Kamachi's calling all three of them protagonists when one of them barely even shows up 80% of the time, and even when he does show up his prominence in the story is significantly diminished, then I'm gonna have to call bullshit on his definition of the word "protagonist".

His usage of the word is wrong. This isn't an opinion. This is a language-based fact.
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>>101907540
>How do esper powers work
Affecting something on a really small scale by doing make believe to create a large effect or affecting something on a really, really ridiculously large scale by believing that what you want to happen happens.
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>>101907627
Who says that he's using the word "PROTAGONIST"?
Just check the damn Raws.
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>>101907628
>by believing
Wrong. Try to actually read the text next time instead of skimming spoilers and discussion.

>>101907627
protagonist
Line breaks: pro|tag¦on|ist
Pronunciation: /prəˈtag(ə)nɪst

/
noun

1the leading character or one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc.
1.1the main figure or one of the most prominent figures in a situation
2an advocate or champion of a particular cause or idea

Also, the word used in "main character", not protagonist. Jesus, when will you people actually read the text instead of just blindly guessing. And even if "protagonist" was used, there is no wrong usage here. You simply have a very limited or outright wrong definition.
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>>101907754
"Main character" and "protagonist" are the same thing, anon.
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>>101907808
Nope. You can have a main protagonist, but you can't have a 'main' main character.
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>>101896216
I really hope the japanese boards also write stuff like this, and that kamachi will somehow adress this.
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>>101907808
Not really. If a play is about the rivalry between two characters who are both very prominent, then both are main characters. If we only ever see it through the perspective of ONE of those, then that one's the protagonist.
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>>101907848

Touma loses to normal magicians all the time, nerd
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I think the biggest issue here is that Hamazura doesn't really qualify as the tritagonist anymore when Mikoto of all characters is more important and has more appearances than him.

...Man, remember back in the old days when people actually complained about her lack of appearances?
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>>101907019
Didn't it get referenced in freakin book ONE when Index recognized the system for espers once it was explained to her? Even if as some have claimed it's just her using some other magical point of reference to understand it's still highly suspicious that there was a perfect example to fit in for proper understanding of the complicated processes when Index has yet to understand how cleaning a bathroom works.
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>>101907967
Acqua is far from normal.
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I've got a question about esper powers. At what point do the students go through the induction program? If they're not natural powers, then Mikoto went through it at a very young age, yes? It's just that people can also go through with it later in life, so I'm a bit confused.
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>>101908045
Aiwass never mentioned Mikoto. She's not important. Besides, Index is more important plot-wise and has greater screentime than Mikoto, and she's far from being a main character and has never taken the protagonist role.
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>>101908078
How does someone with perfect memory fail to remember how to use a microwave anyway? Does she emit electromagnetic waves that cause all microwaves to explode on contact or something?
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>>101908102
Look at him, he's a completely normal magician, his Normal Sword gives him +100 on his normalcy stat.
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>>101908102

You aren't living your life correctly
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>>101907967
So... does losing his powers make Acqua special?
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>>101908112
Touma started just after Kindergarten.
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>>101908102
Touma says that he would lose to a normal magician, he has lost to Acqua, thus Acqua is a normal magician
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>>101908123
I'm talking primarily about New Testament, though. Mikoto's been steadily becoming more prominent, whereas Hamazura's actually gotten less and less screentime. The few times he does appear, he's basically just a tertiary character.

It's really sad.
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>>101908112
They go through it the moment they step foot into AC. You can't go into AC as a student without becoming an esper.
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>>101908155

Yep
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>>101908155
It makes him slightly less normal, because he starts using a gun.
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I wanna see Touma weaving in and out of an ultra intense all on one boss rush, consoling every one.

>I-it was just luck, you'll get me next time
>Oh, you mustn't be feeling well, or I'da never have landed that punch
>It's not like I'm really good enough to negate all your shit. You must be going easy on me.
>I'm just a normal high school boy.
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>>101908174
Yeah and Thor, Fiamma, Othinus and Oriana are completely normal magicians too?
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>>101908127
She's scared of technology, sort of like old grandmas and grampas when faced with a cellphone, and fixing their computers, the fact that she tends to fuck up each time she handles them means she's always nervous over dealing with them
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>>101908229
Touma beat Oriana, though, so she's below normal.

He beat Fiamma too.

And Touma explicitly points Othinus out as a special case.

Thor's the only normal magician.
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>>101908288
>Touma beat Oriana and Fiamma
He lost to both of them once.
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>>101908265
So despite her perfect memory, she keeps second-guessing herself or accidentally hits the wrong button or how the fuck do you make a microwave explode because seriously that shit doesn't just happen. A microwave is designed so that even the dumbest, most backwaters luddite could figure out how to use one. And unless you put an explosive inside one, it's probably not gonna explode no matter what you do because it's designed to be safe for even a prehistoric trogladite to use.
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>>101908221
Touma need to get his balls broken if he keep thinking like that.
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>>101908221
That last one sounds more insulting if anything
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>>101908112
It starts when they enroll in AC, developing a strong personal reality is easier for little kids because they are not so attached to the rules of common sense so most students became espers at a really young age, like Misaka or Accel, but others like Tsuchimikado started later on their life without problems
basically as long as you are capable of separating yourself from reality you are capable of becoming an esper, regardless of age
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>>101908323
It doesn't count if he manages to beat them later.

>>101908396
That would only prove his point, anon.
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>>101908375
She's a little girl.
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>>101908176
Birdway and Fremea have also been more important than him.
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>>101908396
How many times do you think have his balls been broken during his training vacation with little one eye?
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I wish Pre-amnesia Touma was more prominent in plot. I'm like the only person in the world who finds amnesia and its ramifications interesting.
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>>101908176
I don't think so. She's still the 3rd non-MC based, screentime-wise, based on the latest tally I got circa NT7 (guess based on Tsuchimikado being higher than Hanzou), Mikoto ranks 6th:
*1 602 Touma
*2 424 Shiage
*3 372 Accelerator
*4 286 Birdway
*5 250 Fremea
*6 198 Mikoto
*7 191 Kuroyoru
*8 153 LO
*9 145 Worst
10 143 Roberto
11 138 Thor
12 118 Saiai
13 110 Rikou
14 106 Kakine
15 98 Fräulein
16 96 Mugino
17 90 Marian
18 88 Maria
19 87 Tsuchimikado
20 75 Hanzou

Notice how we're not calling Birdway a main character or a protagonist. With NT7-8, Mikoto might have caught up with Accelerator, but definitely not Hamazura.
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>>101908449
Poor Hamazura.

I guess it's impossible for him to be anything more than Super Hamazura-y.
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>>101908127
She knows how but doesn't have the patience to actually cook any food.
I think it's alot of laziness combined with being a bit unsure when doing something new even if you understand how to do it.
She'd probably understand microwaves better if it was put in a context she understands like that it's a replication of agni's fire festival and you set the amount of time for it to be used.
Instead she treats technology the same way we would treat magic or an old person treats tech. It's not that it's hard. It's that you're nervous about screwing it up and that makes you fuck it up.
Magic is familiar. Paper thingys to talk long distances is familiar. Some cheap Iphone 50 equivalent thanks to AC tech with 40 different options, strange buttons and whatever else that seems to have a mind of it's own or that lets you accidentally tap the wrong button without realizing it is highly counter-intuitive if it's your first time ever seeing something like that.
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>>101908375
Well she has figured out using cellphones so maybe she already knows how to use microwaves, though why bother dealing with a microwave when you can just have Touma, Maika or Komoe cook you something
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>>101908423
He defeated both of them with help from others. Stiyl with Oriana, and literally the whole world with Fiamma. They're pretty normal.
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>>101908485
How does Hamazura have so many points when literally all he does is act as a glorified lackey?
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>>101908499
>a replication of agni's fire festival
heh.
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>>101908375
There's quite a few substances you can probably accomplish that with. Index does not know things like don't stick metal inside the microwave or don't put that entire turkey in and go play outside while waiting.

The issue probably isn't that she doesn't know how to ue it. it's that she doesn't know what NOT to put in there..
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>>101908531
He's a Kamen Rider and the only one who has been mentioned as a nuisance in Aleister's plan, what more could you wish for?
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>>101908531
He had a lot of screentime in NT1.
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>>101908531
That's what he's been doing from the start. There are lots of Hamazura in NT1, 2 and 3, and a significant amount being a lackey in 5, 6 and 7.
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>>101908485
>Index not even in the top 20
This is beyind sad and pathetic.
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>>101908628
I dunno man, apparently Touma falling into the Arctic was the biggest nuisance to Aleister's plan of all, enough to make him come to a complete stop.
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Capable of calm analysis of battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament. So long there is even a 1% chance of a comeback, this ability greatly improves the chances of winning.
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>>101908721
She only really got screentime in NT8.
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>>101908415
According to Mikoto's mom, there is an age limit.

The brain starts becoming pretty "rigid" in your 20s, so probably then.
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>>101908751
Wait

Are you saying that Touma is Phoenix Wright?
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In other words, Index is retarded.
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>>101908751

>Counter Guardian TOUMAN
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>>101908780

Yes.
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>>101908780
I think he's saying that Touma has Mind of the Eye (False) i.e he's Archer
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>>101908735
Fiamma almost one-upping him was the biggest problem, hence why he had to take care of it personally. Touma "leaving his grasp" was just insult to injury.
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>>101908810

Thanks for that insightful post!
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>>101908826
Birdway specifically attributes Touma's "second death" as a major issue though.
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>>101908820
It's (true).
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>>101908721
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>>101908770
If you are talented enough you can probably still do it but it would be a lot harder
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Reminder this an many other scenes will never be animated because Nagai loves the slut brigade
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>>101908810
Well she really is underdeveloped in that she's only now getting a chance to live peacefully around technology, and unlike Touma has no knowledge of how all this shit works
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>>101908875

>As long as you are capable of separating yourself from reality you are capable of becoming an esper, regardless of age.

Anons would pass with flying colors.
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>>101908882

Fuck Nagai, seriously
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>>101896879
This guy again? Didn't you get enough shit already last time?
Your fanfic is fucking terrible, deal with it.
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>>101908814
>summon Touma
>IB negates him
>Fukou da
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>>101908882
Don't forget rice cookers, power of friendship, DARKNESS and clovers
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>>101908916

Why do you think Crowley set up in Japan? Because Japanese Otaku are extremely delusional.

All the foreigners are anons
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>>101908851
But she also talks about what could be the fixing of the distortion.
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>>101908977
I am still mad because the rice cooker episode didn't have Yomikawa in it
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>>101909076
She was busy putting random children in danger, no doubt.
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>>101900195
>>101900429
I hope the boss rush will look like this, after his training session with Othinus.
Thor will be envious if he sees Toumas exp.
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>>101908977
I still find it weird when people say that Touma makes speeches about MUH NAKAMA, when that's more of anime Misaka's thing
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>>101909021
In the end, though, here's the thing about Touma.

Imagine Breaker has a "98% plan influence level".

Doesn't that sound a bit like a double-edged sword to you? The moment anything goes off the rails with Touma there's a severe likelihood of it completely turning Aleister's plan on its head.

It's like if your entire strategy were riding on a single bullet. If anything happened to that bullet, your strategy's fucked.
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>>101909277
Sure, but so far touma is keikaku doori
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>>101909312
Till he fell into the Arctic, you mean?
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>>101909332
Sure, but he got him back, so everything is fine.
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>>101909195
>Thor starts begging to Othinus to give him a million worlds of suffering as well
>She does it
>He is stuck in worlds where no one fights with fists, and instead solves their problems with knitting, baking, and children' card games
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>>101909213
The height was using Touma as an excuse to involve the Slut Brigade. "It's alright to involve other people in your problems!" is not the fucking point at all. The point was "I don't give a shit if you don't want me to, I'm going to help you because I can."
Touma was well suited to help with her problem. The Slut Brigade wasn't and I'm still so fucking mad at Nagai for this.
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>>101901837
Touma is immortal?
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>>101909352
Apparently not, since Crowley's supposedly currently at a standstill.
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>>101909312
Not since WW3. Aleister has been sulking ever since, and I don't think you can keikaku doori what Othinus did to him.
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>>101909354
He twisted Touma's words and turned them into something that he would never have condoned. How? Why?
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>>101909375
Standstill is not a failure.
His plan can get back on track again.
Something is not not keikaku doori if it's not completely and irredeemably trashed.
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>>101909361
He kinda is, it would be somewhat fortunate for him to die, so he continues to live in greater misfortune.
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>>101909001

Where is the new power chart Unlucky?
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>>101909424
Nagai is the final boss.

Touma will break the illusion of Cloverfield.
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>>101909375
Laura is also missing, maybe they are too busy chatting on skype
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>>101909354
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>>101909435
How do we know things are going exactly as planned?

I don't think even Crowley could have planned for Touma to experience 10031+ deaths.
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>>101909424
I don't know. Think of the gall this guy has. I mean, Touma has -never- involved helpless people and it took him until NT8 to actually ask a friend who CAN help for a favor.
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>>101909514
>How do we know things are going exactly as planned?
We don't, but as long as the plan can be gotten back on track it's keikaku doori.
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>>101909495
Crowley has decided that he's sick of all this shit and that he'll stop pretending to be dead to already

Nine months later a very hungry baby will be arriving at Touma's apartment
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>>101909490

Don't rush me. This is extremely delicate work, anon.
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>>101909530
Yeah, and it only took an unborn child's despair to do it.
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>>101909647
You better have a dedicated entry for Othinus with her Segway.
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>>101909647
I sure hope you plan to change putting Segway above Arisa.

It should be over Shutaura, too.
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>>101909277
IB is the central part of the plan. The lynchpin. But Aleister doesn't particularly worry about it more than he worried about Fiamma possibly knowing the exact methodology and goals of his plan. Remember the unit that was supposed to "retrieve" IB if Touma defected? Aleister values IB, but not Touma himself.

>>101909514
Notice how AC never communicated or cooperated with the anti-Gremlin coalition. The most they did was defend their borders. Othinus' actions, and Touma saving her, are part of the plan. Aleister's just in a bit of a pinch now because he knows that Aleister Crowley has been detected.
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>>101909514
Crowley's plans revolve entirely on Touma getting every girl in his sight into his harem, like getting a fairy for his plans, Touma got Othinus.
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Can Touman kill servants?
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>>101909902
His hand is pretty much supercharged Gaia, so go figure.
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>>101909902
He can, but they can kill him faster
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>>101901837
I personally think of it more as if Touma dies then the Suffering ends and IB wants him to SUFFER.
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>>101909984
I dunno. He might be able to give the Casters a run for their money.

Gilles may be a former knight, but as Caster, he's so insane that I wonder if he even remembers how to fight anymore.
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>>101902771

>fearsex
>not tender, passionate, romantic vanilla sex deep in the heart of the night where they'll finish just before sunrise & watch it together, holding hands in the buff while standing on Touma's balcony
>then Touma gets arrested for indecent exposure
>fukou da
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>>101909902
Everything but Gil in Stay Night would be negated because IB is the force of Gaia smacking unnatural shit focused into a single point.

Of course, there's the other matter of not DYING LIKE A CHUMP first. Touma doesn't have too good a track record against beings who move faster than mach without magic assistance.
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>>101909479
"May you live in interesting times."
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>>101910128

He just needs to be thrown at the Grail. Problem solved
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>>101910079
>Not worst clumsily trying to seduce him via ara-ara before succumbing to the lust of ten thousand Misaka.
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>>101909647
>Shitaura
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>>101910128
...God, Touma would solve so many problems in Fate.

>"Oh no, Sakura's turning evil"
>TOUMA PUNCH
>"Oh look she's all better! ...You didn't have to hit her, though."

>"Oh no, Angra Mainyu's so evil!"
>TOUMA PUNCH
>"Oh, wait, it's gone now."

>"Oh no, Shinji's turned into a giant blob monster!"
>TOUMA PUNCH
>"Hooray he's back to normal!"
>TOUMA PUNCH
>"...You can stop hitting him now."
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>>101909353
>children' card games
Those can get pretty intense, and Thor would fit into that scenario with his character and hairstyle.
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>>101910321
And? We've got Saronia on the chart, might as well add Shutaura then.
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Nasuverse and Kamachiland crossover when?
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>>101910430
Yu-Gi-Oh with the Norse pantheon instead of Egyptian when?
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>>101909768
Gremlins and Othinus actions were a plan of theirs.
Don't forget that Aiwass might not be under the influence of Othinus 100% powers, and might work as a backup for one thing or another.
And something like Will wouldn't go unnoticed.
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>>101910499
I'm more interested in a Kamachi and Kawakami collaboration.
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>>101910687
Touma would rejoice at the boob overload, I reckon.
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What ending would be the best one and why is it a dead end?
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>>101910499
I'd settle for Kamachi Phantasm type thing for now. It would work with just the Index franchise alone but he has plenty of other series to add in as well.
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>>101910797
They should just animate all the parody stories
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So, Imagine Breaker is the arm that is attached to Touma's shoulder, rather then the arm itself, right?

So, could Touma replace his arm with a robot arm?
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>>101910968
No, because IB is an entity that manifests in/on/whatever Touma's arm, replacing it wont do a thing.
Mechanical arms are shit in Index, too.
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>>101910731
He'd get stuck with the half of the cast that's flat as a board.
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>>101910968
IB is Touma's arm, not what is in the location of Touma's arm, that would be The Invisible Thing
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>>101911684
Even that would be fantastic, given that Suzu, Adele and co are actually fucking sane and reasonable individuals.
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>>101910753
Best end is Misaka dies old and alone without powers as IB has been transferred to her in ahoge form..
Etzali is seduced by a Misaka
Aogami gains the misaka sisters as a massive harem to satisfy all of his fetishes including a misaka shota.
Tsuchimado becomes a fitness guru teaching men the way of the abs.
Crowley becomes an exhibit at the local aquarium.
Stiyl thinks he actually gets to be happy for once only for komoe to constantly try to trick him into NTR..
Kanzai and washing machine are the OTP
Accel des from accidentally cutting himself on edgy one last time or is LO's manservant/butler cursed with eternal fukou da.
Touma gets to keep his harem except the ones already called for. including Kuroko
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>>101896850
>Limb Exploder
What is this whole Limb Exploder talk? i haven't read that far, just started NT1
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>>101911901

It's a joke that Touma would get such a useless power
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>>101911901
He later on fights a cyborg that can copy powers. She tries to copy IB and her arm explodes.
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>>101912153

poor biri
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>>101912153
TouMAN is a one hell of sexy motherfucker.
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Got a link to this thread, I know the topic's drifted away a bit but my ego won't let me let any mention of In Memoriam go unresponded-to.

First off, my attitude about Kamachi and Raildex canon now has changed quite a bit compared to when I started writing. I've read through the LNs, and while I can't precisely say I've enjoyed the experience, I do have a clearer picture of what people appreciate about them.

I'm aware I've made comments in the past that might have stated, explicitly or implicitly, that I consider myself a better writer than Kamachi, or that In Memoriam is a better story than what it's based on. I'm trying to avoid doing so now, and would like to categorically retract any past comments I've made to that effect. I'm immensely frustrated at a lot of the storytelling choices Kamachi's made, but at the same time I can't help but respect the man's creativity and--of course--his insane rate of content output.

And at the same time, I'm well aware In Memoriam is by no means perfect, or even really high-caliber writing. It's an amateurish work by an amateur author, and there are a few plot points that in retrospect are every bit as questionable as the canonical ones I've rejected. The end result makes it seem like I've changed as many things for petty or inexplicable reasons as I have for legitimate concerns, regardless of the internal thought process that's gone into them. (cont'd.)
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>>101913311

You are a stupid gayboi with horrible taste
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>>101914640
accelfag pls
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>>101914640
It's not gay when it's Touma.
It's natural and doesn't make Jesus cry.
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>>101914719
>Jesus
Anyone else want to see him in Toaru?
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>>101914770
It's going to be a loli, I just know it.

But after seeing what 1 part Jesus and 2 parts Jesus can do, I can only imagine what full Jesus can accomplish.
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>>101914770
Only if He is a loli.
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>>101914770
Yes and no.

You just know he's going to be absurdly powerful.

A combination between a Saint and a Magic God at least.
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>>101914770
We already got Fiamma, whith his right hand that is a mixture between Jesus and Michael´s powers and we got Acqua who is Double Jesus.
Anyway, Christian magic is old andb usted, Egipcian magic is the new hotness.
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>>101914870
>>101914770
I can see Kamachi doing something interesting with the whole "Holy Trinity" thing.
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>>101914870
Jesus the Son wouldn't necessarily be as strong as God the Father.

Especially when we now know Christianity is a false religion in Toaru.
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>>101914958
I though all religions were technically true and adding layers to the world?
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>>101914870
Well, if he's the actual Jesus the maximum he'll do will be transforming water in wine and walk on water
And Aiwass-tier engagement with the battles
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>>101914958
It isn´t fake, the thing is that it isn´t the "one and only true religion".
Othinus already said that all the religions are real, and thus Heaven, Hell, Asgard, the Hades, etc exist in different layers or something like that.
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>>101915053
Toaru Saints got superhuman ability from him though. Plus according to Terra an ordinary spear could never kill him.

Toaru Jesus is obviously different from our version.
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>>101915053
>And Aiwass-tier engagement with the battles
Nah, he'll just tell everyone to get along.
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>>101915128
>Toaru Jesus is obviously different from our version
The christian lore is the same.
Kamachi really did his research on those stories.
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>>101915132
This would probably be it.

He would be like Kanzaki, super strong but would rather be out there healing people than fighting.
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>>101915209
Except for Alchemy, which he pretty much made it the opposite of what it really was and admitted to it.
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>>101915213
>but would rather be out there healing people than fighting
He'd be throwing parties and telling people to be nice.
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>>101915265
You just know Jesus would throw the best parties.
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>>101915265
So Buddha and Jesus both exist and everything that has happened to them is real.

So Saint Young Men is canon to Raildex?
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>>101915320
At least there'd be meat, fish, wine and blood.
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>>101915128
Could Itsuwa's anti-saint spell kill the Jesus in Jesus?
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>>101914561

My answer to
>>101903277
and those expressing similar opinions is that, well, you're right. For all the respect I've given To Aru canon and effort I've put into rewriting the story, I would have been better served coming up with something much more original, and the end result makes it look like I'm just trying to feed my ego by proving myself a "better" writer than Kamachi while stealing all the creative work he's put into it.

For what it's worth, I don't think of it that way. I think of taking the core elements of the incredibly imaginative and entertaining universe Kamachi created and writing my own story with it. The stuff I've changed, I didn't change by picking and choosing at random, it comes from the question, "okay, if I had come up with this core character/setting/story concept, how would I fill in the details?" Which, yes, is neither original nor in the spirit of a proper fanfic. But shit, it's still the most writing I've ever done about anything, and at least a few people seem to have enjoyed it. So I'm proud of it, and it's far too late for me to quit it now.

So, yeah, that's my two cents. Back to lurking...
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>>101915433
No one gives a fuck anymore, stop with this blatant attention whoring
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>>101915433

Unlucky Star > In Memoriam

Deal with it turbo nerd
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>>101915556
You know I love Unlucky for all he's done for us, but I've never actually checked out Unlucky Star.

What is it exactly?
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>>101915433
Take your fan fiction to reddit this board is for actual anime and manga.
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>>101914561
>>101915433

Eh, I'm neutral to the whole thing really. I don't understand why people are getting upset about an AU fic featuring shit that greatly differs from canon. That's the entire point of AU.

But it was nice of you to retract your statements against Kamachi I guess.
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>>101915433
>Core elements
Not that I can see. The themes and conflicts of the original are gone, and you've changed most of the setting. You've kept...cute girls doing cute things. So basically what everyone hates about Nagaispace.

But oh well, shitty fanfic will continue on regardless. No point in worrying about it. Write as you like.
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>>101915670
It's basically crack. A fun ride to read.
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>>101915670

Humor fic with a lot of potential. Features Touma, Pierce, Tsuchimikado, and Accel (and apparently Gunha latter) being bros. Think nichibros. But US is incredibly slow to update (something about shit going down IRL). He's like.... a reverse Kamachi.
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>>101915670

It's absolute shit, you shouldn't read it.


On a serious note, the chart is almost done. Once I get off work tonight, I'm going to finish it up. Expect it in the wee hours of the morning.
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>>101915965
Good man, thanks.

Also sorry in advance for all the bitching that will probably take place once you release it.
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>>101915965
>It's absolute shit, you shouldn't read it.

Well now I have to.

Can't wait to see the chart. It's probably going to be hell on you to make one after NT10 though.
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>>101915965
I agree, the lack of casual Vento is horrible.
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>>101915995

Eh, it's fine. I'm prepared to go through a few versions and alterations. People tend to point out shit I didn't catch or think of, so it's better this way.

>>101916086

;_;

>>101916162

Truly a worst writer than Hitler.
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>>101916223
At least you are a better painter than Hitler.
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>>101916266
Shh, /pol/ will hear you.
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>>101916266

That's why the next chapter is so late. I've been working on my sugoi art skills.
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>fanfics and "Touma plotarmor"

This is what happens when we leave the new LN release grace period.

Aside from Unlucky Star and rubix's stuff, Droll Hivemind is alright.
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Can we expect NT 11 for like...June?
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>>101919184
*NT 10
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>>101919184
>>101919229
May or June probably.



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