God damnit, I want an alternate reality LOGH remake wherein (spoilers) Both Kircheis and Laap survive. Yang Wenli said that Laap was a superior tactician to even himself, can you imagine what would have happened if he stuck around for the whole series?
I've never felt that Laap was better than Yang. I think Yang is just to humble to put himself up on a pedestal, he likes to undervalue his skills. As far as I'm concerned he was the greatest tactician (and probably strategist) in the entire series.
The only time I really saw Laap was when he devised a plan identical to Yang's, so that's what I'm basing this on. Yeah, Yang's pretty humble. I feel like Reinhard had better strategies- namely, the scorched Earth plan and the dual civil war plot- but, like he himself said, Yang was the best tactician.
I'm sorry, which one was Laap?
I've only seen the show once, and it was stretched out over quite a long period of time, so I'm a bit fuzzy on some of the characters.
Laap was definitely a competent officer, shame he was stuck on a staff with an idiot commander, he would have made a great addition as an admiral under Yang. Personally I think Yang's ability to make such intricate plans makes him superior to Reinhard even in a strategic sense. He always seems able to predict crucial focal points in campaigns, and was able to think pretty far ahead in most eventualities, like sabotaging Iserlohn Fortress, realizing the imperials would go through the Phezzan Corridor, etc.
Really Yang's problem was that he was always fighting with one hand tied behind his back, usually thanks to politicians and lacking a high enough rank to influence strategic fleet deployments. Reinhard was able to pick from the best Imperial Admirals and dictate force sizes and deployments.
Not to take away from Reinhard's own abilities; obviously he was an amazing leader for someone so young, I just feel like he didn't have to put up with as much red tape as Yang.
Laap appeared once, in episode 1, and immediately died. This was to highlight how the corruption of the Alliance stifled new talent.
Yep, which is why we start wishing for Yang to become a dictator like Reinhard. Such a good show.
Laap had a lot more character development in the 2nd movie, which most people should watch before they watch the OVA.
I'm planning to watch the movies ASAP- I just finished the series first, because I didn't know any better.
I'm in a similar situation; however, I'll probably wait until after I finish the 100+ monolith a second time before I watch the prequel pieces.
Unless I wind up showing my friends the movies first
I'm too afraid to show my friends LOGH, for fear that they'll call it boring.
Introduce it with a LOGH drinking game.
Drink for every line the narrator speaks.
Jesus. How about take a drink for every death, including average soldiers?
It would have been interesting to see Yang pretty much usurp the government on Heinessen. If he did I could imagine the Imperial forces would be hard pressed to stop him from running circles around them.
But Yang was someone with few ambitions, and obviously a military force removing the government would go against the ideals he held dear. A democratic military takes its orders from a civilian authority, even if those orders seem convoluted or just stupid. The battle of Vermilion comes to mind with that one.
Stuff like this is what makes LOGH so great, it's a shame it doesn't get more love.
I'm not sure if that happens frequently enough.
A good drinking game needs to be something that can be present in every episode, though not so bad that people die of alcohol poisoning, which is why I went with line of narration. I see now that this may be a little too frequent, unless you're playing with weak drinks or iron livers.
>Stuff like this is what makes LOGH so great, it's a shame it doesn't get more love.
Were I elected to a position of real power; I'd have a state sponsored dub become part of the high school curriculum.
LoGH has more characters die in the first 24 episodes than most other shows have characters in their entirety. By the time the show ended I had completely forgotten Laap even existed.
I would've too, but Yang mentions him near the end. I swear, I didn't remember Lutz, Steinmetz, Wahlen, or Lennenkampt until 60 episodes had passed. Speaking of which, I think the show would've been a lot bettwe without the Terrarrist cult, what do you guys think? It seems kind of random and they really didn't do anything significant aside from fucking assassinating goddamn Yang Wenli fuck.
I feel like they were only there so the FPA and the Empire could have a common enemy.
The Terrarists were controlling Job Trunhit and Reinhard didn't even know they existed til halfway through and then forgot about'm.
I didn't mind the Terraists too much, they served a decent enough purpose in my eyes. People always seemed to want them to be more significant, or more of a threat, but I don't think that was the point of them.
Their whole ideology was focused around Earth being the center of humanity. But that was never going to happen, Earth didn't matter anymore and nothing they could do would change that. They were fanatics who never had the power or ability to change and dictate history, just some pathetic people with impossible dreams.
I think most people expect secret organizations to be powerful and influential (at least in fiction), but history has many examples of this not being the case. In the end the Terrasists are just another footnote of humanities already lengthy history.
That's an incredible interpretation, thank you.
Well the thread is dead but fuck it. I think in the 2008 videogame you can change the story and save the characters that die in the series.
Ha, thanks. Truth be told I wasn't sure if I worded it all right, but that was the general idea I was going toward. Discussions like these are what LOGH great in my opinion, the characters and the stories are expansive enough to really make for some interesting topics.
If anything I always appreciated how it never went out of the way to paint either side in a bag or good light, just people who saw differing ways to try and make a better galaxy to live in.
Is the game any good? I've always wanted a LOGH game. Something with a fantastic command and control system (maybe like the Command Ops series), where you would issue out orders to subordinates and have them execute tasks. I can't see it working any other way really, trying to micromanage thousands of ships would be a nightmare, and wouldn't make much sense from a military point of view (assuming you were a flag officer of course).
It isn't that complex, you can play it just fine even if it's not translated.
Nope, you can't. You can't change a single damn thing and you're as powerless in-game as you are in real life.
Not really. It's kinda similar to Total War, except without the overworld and there are only a few different kinds of units (carrier, missiles, destroyers, gunboats and flagships IIRC).
Don't watch Golden Wings, for the love of god, don't watch Golden Wings.
nah Yang is the best tactician in this series period. No one has ever taken the Iserlohn fortress in history, and he did it twice with minimal casualties.
Why is Yang so moe?
They do quite a lot of behind the scenes stuff in the show. Remember that they are also the Patriotic Knight Corps and that Truniht would have never gotten trough with all his shit if it weren't for the Terraists.
The only reason that they seem kind of silly is because they are portrayed as classic comic books villains
the moest show
Hmm, I wouldn't necessarily agree they were comic book villains per say. Their main goal of shifting the focus of humanity back to Earth was obviously a fantasy, there's no way a resource deprived planet that suffered multiple catastrophic wars would ever be useful for a galaxy spanning government. But the Terraists did a good enough job of causing unrest and paranoia, which although was small and ended up harming their goal more than helping it, did make both sides keep on their toes.
I too watched the series before the movies.
Don't you dare call the PKC/Truniht/Terrarists as comic book villains if you aren't willing to accept that everyone in the show was essentially retarded.
The intellectual/competency level in the show was simply very low, which made every bit of common sense being spoken make people go WOW.
>The intellectual/competency level in the show was simply very low
Care to elaborate?
I'm also curious, care to give some examples?
>Being sober until that one episode where you and your friends die from alchoholic poisoning
>where you would issue out orders to subordinates and have them execute tasks
Oh god, yes please, I don't want to be the ruler of a fucking empire and having to command every single soldier on the battlefield. I just want to leave the military to do their own stuff while I control the policies and domestic issues.
Lapp a shit, Kircheis would've been better
The terrarists were an interesting portrayal of what stuff like radical islam would look like in the future.
Kudos to whoever came up with that translation
Anyone else find themselves looking up words constantly?
I mean, some of the shit they used was archaic ancient words...I have no idea how they even discovered them...
In the subs?
For example? I never really found words I couldn't deduce the meaning of contextually.
>mfw seeing this for the first time.
>mfw seeing this for the first time
This scene was fucking great
I was more referring to the way they look, black menacing looking robes and of course the whole watching TV on a giant screen in a dark Cave/the obvious Star Wars Emperor hologram reference didn't help either
Every single fodder admiral/nameless soldier who's only dialogue serves to act as a foil for smarter characters.
This is especially the case during the civil wars, due to how it's propped up on both sides how the new rape the old.
Just ask yourself this: Would you make the same mistakes as this character? Now tally it up as you go over each character, named or unnamed.
The majority are fucking retards. You can blame it on the corruption of both societies, but all that means is that the average faggot in LOGH is no match for the average faggot on /a/ when it comes to using their brain.
Face it, the story itself isn't realistic at all, and therefore neither can the people. The warfare and characters conform around the plot, not the other way around.
Even someone as god like as Poplan is kept in check by the plot. He could score an entire fleet of ships by himself because his tiny ass shoe box lasers insta-gib capital ships in two volleys as proven by Julian's debut.