Why does CR still exist?
>you'll be directly supporting the anime industry
Because Jews OP.
And people believe it. Poor fools.
Because using torrents is very hard.
Didn't Mamare say something to that effect on his last visit here?
He probably doesn't see a penny.
tell them to l2encode, l2typeset and l2translate and i will happily pay them double or triple what they're asking
Considering that most sub groups now use CR scripts, what would happen if CR were really to disappear?
Will old fansub way be back?
I already have two perma-free accounts called TT and Nyaa. 30 days ain't enough.
We wouldn't see the big groups picking up 7 shows a season then.
Is there any pasta explaining why it doesn't support the industry? I'd like to know about it.
B-but i don't like waiting for subs
>giving money to licensors
That's a lie.
This. Can anyone explain to me where the money does go, if not to the "anime industry"?
In the pockets of CR.
It's based on views.
So most of your money will end up going to naruto.
I see. This displeases me.
Because we literally would not get subs of like half of the shows each season and have to rely on Funimation on picking more shows up, and their subtitling is even worse than CR.
I can tell that she totally loves anime.
From what I know if you only watch Log Horizon then all of your money goes to Log Horizon, but if you watch everything in a season you're spreading that money pretty thin.
Of course not the second you let a publisher in on the mix then the jews have you.
How many subs are there nowadays? I want to despair.
What? That's not how licensing and distribution works. CR will have paid a flat fee agreed upon in a contract for the rights to distribute the content. None of the money you pay to CR goes into the anime industry. They pay the anime industry for the rights to distribute anime for their own (hopefully) profit. How many times something gets viewed doesn't matter. They will have paid Toei the same price for all the episodes of One Piece regardless of how many people watch it. The more people who watch it, the more money they get from ads and subscription fees. You aren't supporting the industry by paying for CR; you're just paying a corporation that distributes licensed content for their own profit. You could try to argue that CR wouldn't pay for those rights if not for your subscription, but that's bullshit because they pay ahead of time. It's a gamble.
He said nothing about money, he said that audience numbers are what will get NHK to consider the show a success.
Log Horizon is sponsored by a public broadcaster that primarily cares about how many people are watching the show, not profit. They get their money from their yearly budget and spend it on things they think are worth airing.
>razer gayming gear
Five bucks that she has an alienware rig but plays angry birds all day on her iphone 5s
Isn't it fine? The suckers will buy into CR believing >>101870789, while we keep doing our own thing. If CR disappears, most sub groups will fall apart since they just steal the translations anyway.
Plays league of legends
And they get it for Cheap because no one cares Gaijin are fans and they practically give it away. If I remember correctly I read 2% of all of the industries profits come from overseas. Though a Citation is needed...
I swear I had a graphic about this, but the amount of your money that ends up going to the companies the shows are licensed from is pretty trivial. And then even if 100% of it went to them, the percentage of their revenue that that would comprise would still be small. Otaku who can shell out for BDs is still really what "supports the industry".
Don't make me puke, anon.
CR and streaming is still the lesser evil compared to dubbing.
But dubs don't influence subs, CR does
I would rather give my money to moot.
That's probably true. I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page here that literally none of a CR user's money is getting into the anime industry through CR.
>If I remember correctly I read 2% of all of the industries profits come from overseas
Hmm… maybe I should get more merch then
This. A interview of the CEO confirm that :
Yes, thank you.
Doesn't anyone like the subscription model that CR uses?
This is really sad.
Komeiji's face never fails to make me laugh.
>The ads free members see make up the difference, so publishers earn just as much as they would with subscribers.
> But he did say that publishers are “ecstatic” about the revenue they receive, and that publishers probably wouldn’t agree to work with Crunchyroll in such large numbers if they were getting such a bad deal.
And people actually believe this. Jesus Christ there are some retards out there. Let's ask the guy we're giving money to what he's doing with that money. Oh, he says he's doing good things with it! Cool beans!
Once again, this is not how licensing and distribution works.
That CEO is quite clever at transgiversing the information to just spout stuff that appeals to the reader.
If something I've learned about politics is that when a question can be changed of topic, you have to.
>Publishers get the majority of the money [from your subscription] and they’re very happy with what they’re getting.
I love how he says nothing about how much the actual animation companies get. For all we know, the publishing company keeps all the money and the animators get nothing.
>For all we know, the publishing company keeps all the money and the animators get nothing
>For all we know
We do know, animators are poorfags. It's why Trigger decided to actually pay them the extra money from that Kickstarter.
So what can we do now?
How to we destroy crunchyrolls?
>believing a lying chinese ceo pirate
Jaka: I forgot if this were mentioned on your interview – what’s CR business model like… as in, they split the revenues with the mother companies, right?
Sam: CR’s business model is a hybrid subscription/ad-based revenue share. Let’s take the subscriber part first. All that money goes into a pot. The total number of minutes spent watching each show by subscribers is calculated. So “Naruto 312 has a total of 123456 subscriber minutes in Q2″ or whatever and the pot of money is split up to the various different Japanese companies in proportion. Then CR takes it’s cut (which varies with each contract, obviously) and the Japanese get the rest. The ad-based model is more usual: Total ad revenue is reported to CR by the ad-serving company for each video… It’s added up and split up based on the ad-based revenue split (which is often different than the subscriber one).
Jaka: I see.
Sam: The good news with this is that people who subscribe and like, JUST watch Naruto can be happy knowing that all their money ends up going to the people that make Naruto.
This guy translated for CR and works in the anime industry in Japan.
We could buy it and take it down.
How awesome would be that
Take it to court with good proof. But that would require Japan's help.
>most sub groups will fall apart since they just steal the translations anyway.
By which you meant to say;
>real sub groups will pick up the slack and people will continue as they did before CR
It's because of people like you and your poor grasp for cause-effect that laws and societies always go to crap. (see: modern loss of freedom, welfare state, unchecked immigration, etc)
>We would also like to remind everyone that not all of the Kickstarter funding will be spent on the actual production of the episode.
>Many of our animators are big fans of anime as well, and they tend to do more than what they are rewarded for. They continue to work until they are satisfied with their work. We feel that it would not hurt to have our animators rewarded just a little bit more.
I wonder if the people in the production committee will contest the rights for the earnings from the LWA series when the second OVA is out.
Or was it the initial funding given by the government?
>real sub groups will pick up the slack and people will continue as they did before CR
Arguable. "Real sub groups" are limited in number. If we go back to the so-called old days, we may not have that many shows subbed every season. CR is still shit, but I'd say they're a necessary evil.
>real sub groups will pick up the slack and people will continue as they did before CR
There'll be a brief era of warring groups before things settle down, and even then good translators would be a rare commodity. It's one thing to translate manga and such at more or less your own pace, and quite another to sub several 24-minute episodes within a couple hours.
No they are not.
>american anime industry
I seem to remember Japan had to take 4Kids and FUNi to court or something because the american industry was cheating them out of royalties for Yugioh or Pokemon or some series like that. The american industry doesn't give a shit about anime.
Can you elaborate on that a bit more?
Cause CR generates 12 million+ per year from subscription "based on their 200000+ pay subscriptions".
Also they were brought out by Chernin group for around 100 mil. 
Why are we so quick to blow whistles and call CR out on their bullshit when most of ourselves don't do jack to support the industry? Do we just hate CR for making money out of it?
>sued by TV Tokyo
>go bankrupt to avoid paying it
>reemerge as 4Licensing
USA USA USA
I hate CR for saying they support the industry when they don't
Nothing but a silly "What if" thought. Don't read too much into it.
Well one benefit I can think of CR is that it airs at the exact time as Japan
So if you can't understand moon to watch the stream thread you can watch it subbed in high quality before anyone else.
CR dev get out.
How much shekels do they want for each show? I don't feel like going through the application process to see the rates.
Speak for yourself, I'm a buyfag.
By supporting the company that distributes license content, aren't you supporting their greed to get more content that would appeal to a wider audience because they will profit? Also, I'm sure the Japanese don't care to market to us because most of us will not pay for shit anyway.
I hate all American companies that license their works because it disrupts fan translations and for manga only prolongs the release of further works in English, assuming they even finish it
And the fewer filthy casuals watching and reading my chinese cartoons the better
monopolies are never good.
And with CR being the big kahuna in the anime distribution, we know we're all fucked in the sense that consumer support will mean jack shit to the industry.
tl;dr : we will be the voice less
Better quality than Chinese streams
That's no achievement.
The industry is a closed perpetual motion machine, unless the west picks up jap tastes, supporting the industry is a thing it really should't be done.
because shitheads buy their shit.
>monopolies are never good.
I never said they are. In fact, I said
>they're a necessary evil
> we will be the voice less
How's that any different from before CR came a long?
Cause the there isn't a viable model out there to support the industry well.
Think about it, it's too expensive to buy the JP BDs "$400 US for 1-cour" and if we buy the licensed content only a tiny about will actual go back to the studios.
Let's all join up and make a good court call.
Hey, fuck you. I purchase BDs and figs regularly. I'm pretty sure I contribute more than the CR subscribers.
I mail my money to the animators' houses, you cheap bastard.
>Well one benefit I can think of CR is that it airs at the exact time as Japan
Except for shows like SYD, that take FOUR FUCKING DAYS after airing in Japan. To me, that alone makes CR a worthless service.
because their overhead is almost 0, they dont have to actually produce anything but a crappy website, and they get money for it.
its pretty hard for them to fail.
I AM an animator myself, call me when you trow away your life drawing cute girls for a miserable pay.
>one show out of 100s
Not much but I predict if this goes on we will be another quality recession.
Unless the nips actual develop good taste then more decent shows will appear.
Crunchyroll is an example of blatant rent-seeking and anyone who supports it is either ignorant or stupid.
Self entitled faggots like you ruin everything.
What does everyone think about DAISUKI?
Blocks my country for some shows
>Unless the nips actual develop good taste then more decent shows will appear.
I've never had cause to encounter it, so I have no opinion on it.
>70% of shows not licensed
fuck off CR
Are there shows exclusive to Premium or is it all the same shit?
Well, you technically are, but it's with pennies per episode. Contrast with $30 per episode that any Japanese disc-buyer will pay.
I can only watch Gundam there but otherwise it's alright.
I give them 5/5 for gifting me a Homura figure and a Gundam kit.
Why can't there be more services that offer the whole 'support the industry without learning Japanese or waiting three years!' thing?
If Crunchyroll cared about supporting the anime industry, they would move out of San Francisco or out of California instead of renting out a fancy property in expensive, hipster San Francisco and wasting precious money paying San Francisco and California's taxes.
That chart is so confusing to read,
I'm sure you contribute more than the entirety of CR does in a month
Do the digital Shonen Jump subscriptions manage to make any money for the artists or is that fucked up too?
To support EE-sama and his quest to win TI4.
That only applied because Log Horizon is a government-funded program. CR doesn't do shit for shows that relies on BD/DVD sales
It's the same, but for simulcasts there's a week delay in being able to watch a new episode.
It was a pretty bad service when I last checked, but the business model interests me. I think they do simulcasts for everyone without a sub and push merch harder than CR. I also won a Madoka fig from their competition when the site was getting off the ground, so they're pretty cool.
Don't worry anon there will be
I'm trying to put something together this year
And I'll probably make an announcement later this year if everything goes according to plan, though statistically it says it won't but i'll will still try anyways.
what type of competition was it?
It was just a lottery where entrants selected a prize out of a few options.
im a buyfag, i still use crunchyroll, torrent the rest, get to watch it on my nice tv, and my friend is the one who pays for the subscription!
stay mad you fucking clowns
i got one nigga to stick with me through school, go out for our weekly "lets buy a shitload of drugs for our anime" detour (anime great on opiates), and generally is a cool person in a rather lameass world. we also like all the same shit and get to split up the duties like buying food and shit
again, stay jealous buddy ol pal bocce ball bro mc friend-y dude man
Please tell us more.
Not even kidding, this time. If you need opiates to enjoy anime, you probably don't like anime. You just like opiates.
I liked anime long before drugs.
Their family friendly and let's you "support" the Japanese artists financially.
I'm very relaxed, so are you going to tell us more?
All of you fucking retards should "relax" and shut the fuck up
If CR died, we'd just see fewer fansub groups. It wouldn't bring back people actually translating, because those people are still doing it now (but most people don't bother to watch because HS is faster). Also there wouldn't be the sometimes better video source option anymore.
CR existing only does positive things for everybody, especially those who pirate everything. CR for manga is something I'm intrigued by (assuming something like HS gets set up) because following manga weekly is a pain.
Don't you know? /a/ is just Japanese pretending to be Americans, if you type fusanasian in the name field you too can become Japanese and help japan anime industry.
>And people actually believe this.
Why do you think they keep giving anime to CR? Would they really go out of their way to do it if they didn't make money out of it?
I don't think they're saying they don't make any money, just that it isn't alot of money.
I don't know how much sense it makes to make a deal where you barely make money from the standpoint of these companies, but I suppose I would take it. Why not? It's like picking a quarter up off the ground. It's not a 20$ bill but you still go for it
I just don't see where the idea that they get no money comes from. Does it have any factual basis to back it up?
If it's the idea that money doesn't go to the studios, then that makes sense. The money would go to whatever company has distribution rights (so usually the TV station).
There is no factual basis. They've already explained how money is distributed, and publishers are clearly happy with the model since it actually opens a source of revenue at almost no cost to them in a market that was dead. They've not only provided headway into the market outside Japan, but they've made it easy for more customers to have exposure to the series and merchandise. CR also supplements licensing fees by pushing daily deals on merch; e-mails are sent daily to remind people to buy this or that figure.
It's so successful that publishers have created a second service in Daisuki. If they thought streaming with merchandise sales on the side wasn't a viable model for making money, they wouldn't have sunk millions into creating a third major streaming service.