Heehee. I just kissed you.
Bro-Rin from Fate is best Rin. Tsundere Rin in UBW and "True Magus" Rin in HF are a shit.
And Rin isn't that high in the Hierarchy of Type-Moon Girls anyway.
You're up early, Toosaka.
I never asked for this.
What would happen if the Shirous from each of the true endings met each other? How would they interact?
I'm not following you.
Now I can't get married!
Fate would be disappointed on HF while UBW would be somewhat understanding even if slightly disappointed. HF on the other hand would look down on them.
Get jackhammered bitch.
I largely agree on all of them except HF's reactions to the other two. After all, none of them really want to be a hero in the same way Shirou did at the start of the novel. Fate Shirou is chasing after Saber, which I'm sure HF Shirou can respect from a combination of his own feelings for Sakura and for atonement of what happened to his Saber. UBW Shirou wants to dream the impossible dream, and while HF probably wouldn't agree that it's worth doing, they can both agree that it's a flawed ideal, and might even agree on the beauty of pursuing it anyway.
After all, at their core, they're all the same person.
Fuck HF Shirou, seriously. Fucking selfish child.
>and might even agree on the beauty of pursuing it anyway.
Shirou faced the dilemma where he had to choose between saving many or the person he loves the most, choosing the later.
The other two didn't need to and HF Shirou would most likely deem them as immature for still clinging to it when they don't know how feeble it really is.
He wanted to save his girl instead of random strangers, a perfectly common and human decision.
>and HF Shirou would most likely deem them as immature
That's not really in Shirou's character, though. Even in HF. He doesn't really condemn anyone, except maybe Zouken.
But you're not Saber.
I'll take "Lines Rin would never say" for 400 Alex.
Indeed. If any of us actually were married and they told us to kill our wife to save a hundred total strangers I doubt most people would save the strangers at the cost of a loved one.
Fate and UBW Shirou never had to face that dilemma.
That's not Soujuurou
How well do you think Shirou would have done in the Moon Cell War?
I see him losing in the prelims.
You will never see this scene animated ;_;
Depends. It seems that everyone was forced to cold summon and thus got servants based on compatibility. Meaning he'd get himself (i.e. Archer) and since he had stupidly turned his nerves into magic circuits he'd have a decent prana supply and rapid access to UBW.
He'd make it through a few rounds, but without a Rani or Rin to help him out he probably wouldn't win because well, he just don't know much about thaumaturgy either way. Meaning against Gawain (unless UBW doesn't have a sun in it) or kung-fu invisibitch he's done.
>implying dolphins aren't wonderful, lovable creatures.
Depends on his Servant. If it was Arthur, she could probably make it up to Assassin without using Excalibur. So as long as he keeps her magical energy topped off, he would come out of it. The only real problems I could think of are whether or not he could kill masters like Alice, and whether or not Arthur would shit herself against Gawain.
Assuming it's Shirou and not "Shirou" like Extra "Rin" isn't really Rin, he'd probably still get Arturia. Which would make facing Gawain a non-issue since he's still more loyal to her than to his Master.
>Which would make facing Gawain a non-issue since he's still more loyal to her than to his Master.
That's what Command Spells are for, bro.
Kerry would get Altria in Mooncell Grail War.
Shirou has higher chances to get himself or something like Siegfried.
Aren't Servants weakened if they're forced to do something so greatly against their nature with a Command Seal?
If he's got Avalon stuck up his ass, it's a safe bet he'd get Arthur.
Lol,for what reason?
He would have virtual body. Only magic circuits carry over to virtual world.
Best girl of all girls.
I knew this would come in handy.
>Fate Shirou is chasing after Saber
Fucking retcons. That's not at all how it originally went down.
He would still get Saber. They are alike on most but a key element regarding on how they view their past actions.
Meanwhile, his compatibility with himself is ironically utter shit.
They are the same, but they are not alike. He is the hero that should not have been, and the one conformed to what Shirou never wanted to do.
TOHSAKA PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY!
How is that a retcon?
Or how was it retconned, I should ask.
I mean, are you talking about the Last Episode? The exact same thing that's talked about by aiming for the distance when he'll be able to reach what he was aiming for (Saber)?
>The exact same thing that's talked about by aiming for the distance when he'll be able to reach what he was aiming for (Saber)?
Before Last Episode, there is no chance the star they once saw referred to eachother.
They did a proper parting, said their goodbyes, and went off to new beginnings.
Last Episode was the first implication of otherwise.
Stars, not star. There's no shooting star, no wish, no goalpost. The only thing left is each other. He's not bitter that she left, they said their goodbyes. But that doesn't mean he doesn't miss her. What you posted wasn't a retcon by definition. Nothing was changed, merely added. Was it the first implication? Yes. I'll agree there though.
Someday, after Shirou dies, he is reunited with his love. That's a continuation of the story. In fact, that's half the text in Last Episode. It was the natural fate of two lovers separated in time. Both waiting for the day where they'd once again be reunited.
It's corny, campy, cheesy, lovey-dovey and some people complain that it's too happy an ending. But it's not a retcon by any stretch of the imagination.
Is it really so hard to believe in a world shaped by belief?
So, I'm trying to get into this stuff a bit more, should I read FSN or Tsukihime first.
Fate/Stay Night is better. But, if you truly intend on reading both, I guess go with Tsukihime.
Jokes on you, I just sucked a dick.
That's cold, man.
Would she be into that?
Gawain need to shut the fuck up. Caster was best girl, calling her a foul demon is an insult to how sweet she was. Plus hey, fluffy tail, how can you not like her?
Smiling Rin it's best Rin.
Rin is best in general.
It's a beautiful combination
I want to protect that smile.
Could it protect you in return?
No, haven't smiled for years.
But could her smile protect you?
HF Shirou would just say "Lucky you guys, you didn't have to face this kind of situation"
Now I can't marry my waifu and I have to get with a slut.
Fuck you, Rin.
Goddammit. I'd cuddle her so hard she'd be unable to hug another person ever again without feeling disappointed.
Shirou trying to save Sakura instead of killing her makes more sense considering his ideals. After all his goal is to save everyone and Sakura is an innocent as she hasn't consciously killed anyone by that point (and he doesn't even know about her connection to the Shadow). In MoS he's willing to kill an innocent with his own hands while in HF he's still trying to save everyone but simply prioritizing Sakura's life so saving Sakura is closer to his original ideal. And in MoS Shirou becomes a killing machine that murders the people he loves (Sakura, Ilya, Rin) just like Kiritsugu did. Shirou's ideal was to save everyone, so no matter which choice he makes, Shirou has to abandon his ideals. That was the point of HF.
>"True Magus" Rin in HF
No such thing
There is only tsundere Rin, only the tsun is not aimed at you in HF
>not posting in the Rin thread
>Rin will never poke your penis
Is her F/HA scene better?
On what day in the UBW route does Shirou transfers mana?
Why is Rin so best girl?
I don't care how corny stuff like that it, it gets me every time.
> implying I have the time to read all those words just so I can see the shit that makes my dick hard.
Just give me a number
Hikki a best.
ayako best grill
Too bad Nasu can't write a porn scene to save his life. I skipped through those as fast as I could because the writing was so atrocious.
Oh well, still better than the dumb bitch what wrote Twilight. I did love how he snuck in a subtle jab at it in Fate/Extra.
They really weren't arousing at all, but I did enjoy reading them for laughs.
I don't think Nasu wrote the sex scenes.
That was actually a joke made for the American localization.
Yeah, do we really need to see and hear about blood Nasu, you sick virgin fuck.
Caster was so wonderful. I played through her route with FeMC and she loves you just as much as the male MC.
Her lewdness is a great nightmare.
Her anus is defenseless.
It contracts every time I move, looking like a second reproductive opening.
The dirtiest part of her is right in front of me.
I still laughed my ass off at it, so good on them then. Plus hey, it fits rather well if you consider how the man did write a proper vampire story himself. At least that one was actually pretty decent, and hey, Arcuied. That's what a vampire love interest should be.
I know right? So sweet, kind, devoted, all she wants to do is make you happy (but no harems, or she will kill your crotch). Such a best girl.
reminder that rider is a lewd woman and has had sex with hundreds of men
Same here, man. Fate is so completely cheesy, but that's what makes it beautiful to me.
I love her
Oh don't get me wrong. Just because it's cheesy doesn't mean it's bad by any stretch.
It's my favorite route, and Saber is my favorite girl.
HF Shirou despite everything still tried his best to have it best ways. He tried to save the girl he loved, he tried to save others, but the difference is the priority of it all. In the end if pushed into a corner while only being able to save one, he knows which way he'll go.
HF isn't quite so jaded that he's Archer at all here, he still admires the idea as much as he's allowed, but he's made his choice in life and there is no other path for him. He'll take it as far as he can but he knows his answer.
Saber is best
Saber is good, but Rin is best F/SN. Close second though, not gonna knock your tastes.
I could never hate Rin. She's a close second. Doesn't hurt that I have a soft spot for well-written tsuns.
Anything that isn't Sakura is a good choice in my opinion. Not knocking HF as a route, though.
That just means she can better please you.
Also that riding suit is fucking hot.
Good taste, my friend.
>Anything that isn't Sakura is a good choice
This is pretty much my opinion too, I just love Rin the most.
Fact: Illya had more screen time than Sakura in HF. HF is the Illya route as far as I'm concerned. Shirou just had a platonic relationship with the heroine this time, and Sakura was his side love-interest. Reading it that way made it far better.
Because seriously, fuck Sakura.
I love them all, but I can't help but put Saber above the rest.
HF truly is the Ilya/Kotomine route. If it didn't have Sakura shitting things up, it would truly be the best route.
Illya >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rin = Saber > Rider >Medea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sakura
Saber and Rin are both fantastic. Why do we need to choose? They are both best.
Which Tiger Dojo is your favorite?
I like the fake one partway through Fate. The fact that it exists at all, along with the scene itself being hilarious, is great.
Seiba a shit.
The world shaped by belief part is what I like about Fate, and of Nasu's writing. He can drill home how impossible, implausible or dumb some action is, and then have it happen in a way that just makes me cheer.
It's particularly strong in Fate, where Shirou pretty much has nothing but his beliefs or care for others going for him at any point.
Oh, believe me, man. I getcha.
You will never go riding with her, and I mean that in a non-sexual way.
Helps that in the good end for UBW Rin gets a harem. Shirou didn't get two girls, Rin got her man and her lesbian lover in one shot. Really, it's the end where everything comes up Rin.
"You might be wondering what you did wrong. See, you picked the answer that was the best option! That's way too smart for Shirou, go back and pick the reckless decision!"
Anyone else get the F/SN+HA release? The artbooks that came with it were really nice.
UBW was my favorite route, but if Sakura didn't exist/had a smaller presence HF definitely would've been the best.
If Ufotable does do an anime original story they'd somehow need to keep the Shirou/Saber romance, Archer's story, and a shit ton of the HF plot for the sake of being a F/Z sequel. Which is actually doable.
I support this ranking.
He would actually beast the fuck out of every opponent.
Shirou in the VN is someone that couldn't keep with the tactics and brute force of the other Masters & Servants.
In the MoonCell, He can not only defend himself, but excel at it and likely grind for even more strength. He doesn't NEED his Servant for sheer survival.
And depending on the Shirou, HE'D be the one pulling dirty tactics.
He and most other magi would be broken as fuck in the Moon Cell War.
I consider it the Kotomine route, personally, but either way it's a non-romantic relationship that steals the show.
I liked the one at the end of UBW. "BAKA SHIROU!!!!"
So, anyone else wanna talk about how Tohsaka is beautiful?
I still think we need a spinoff that follows Archer's hero days and downfall.
There's so many implications throughout UBW and HF, so I guess you can kind of speculate that he either tried to save Sakura or Ilya back then, but it's not at all perfectly clear.
I find Sakura great as a support character, but boring as a romance. Just not fun at all. I don't hate her though.
I'd have liked it more if Saber could've not been corrupted, buuuut. Can't win 'em all.
Rin is amazing, and the way she and Shirou play off each other was pure fucking enjoyment in all the routes.
I'd have preferred it if it was the true Ilya route instead of half/half.
B-but muh favoritism.
This is my hope. That they manage to mix all 3. I don't mind if they skip a few of my favorite scenes or go full anime-original for parts, but I just want the Saber/Shirou romance and Archer to be touched on.
I always love the power of belief. It's so fucking lazy at times, and it's generic almost, but it makes me cheer and happy like nothing else when it goes well. Last Episode made me INCREDIBLY happy.
Those thigh-highs do things to me.
I'm on the final day of UBW now Just got done with the jackhammering and I'm rapidly losing interest now that it's just Gilgamesh left. He's kinda boring.
All I want to know is: will EMIYA play again? Holy shit that scene with Archer and Shirou was great.
Go back and finish it before someone spoils the ending for you.
It was, wasn't it?
You will have a good Emiya moment up ahead; hurry to it!
It would be nice if the new anime had an Archer flashback.
What a coincidence, me too. I had to replay it after getting the physical copies.
My heart would start going doki doki if I took part in such a discussion, so I've been lurking and hoping someone posts a pic that I don't have instead.
Shirou is the red man.
Shirou's UBW would be at its maximum potential in the moon cell. Shirou would be at his most powerful there, except he wouldn't be able to bring Avalon with him.
He would do very well. Maybe even win since he's better at combat strategy than any other kind of strategy, which the HGW needs but the Moon Cell War doesn't need recon etc. as badly.
I want those lewd thighs.
Wrong pair there.
Thanks. I needed reminding.
Otherwise I might forget the dream.
So, does Shirou still have Avalon in his new body at the end of HF?
>Gawain a non-issue since he's still more loyal to her than to his Master.
He would only prove his absolute dishonor by doing that. The purpose of his summoning is "Please let me do it all over again, I'll be the utmost proper knight, but let me just have another chance so I can serve with the utmost faithfulness and duty" because he blames himself for Camelot falling as he turned down Lancelot due to his own grudge when he admitted it might have turned the battle if he had joined. For the Mooncell war he is trying to best to be what a knight should, he's trying to keep his hot headed foolishness in check, and just trying his best to be as a servant should in order to attempt to restore his honor and atone for his own selfishness.
To turn against his master and leave him dry just because his other master showed up, that would be a supreme act of disloyalty.
Shirou fights Gilgamesh with EMIYA playing.
Nah, they may fight the command seal if it's greatly out of their nature which may give a small weakening of the effect, but if it's something very in their nature then miracles can occur if you ask them to do something specific. There's nothing that really says telling them to do something they hate will give it a weak command though.
I personally found that finale lacking in comparison to the other two.
Having said that, it is my favorite route.
It's a conceptual weapon, it's not physically in his body but more like materialized as part of his soul or something for the time being. Which is why his origin was changed to sword.
The Ufotable F/SN anime truly needs to be very Shirou and Saber focused in order to follow up on F/Z, you're right about that, and they simply can't choose Fate or UBW because of the audience knowing about Sakura and Zouken, so the only true choices they have will be Heaven's Feel (and leave out a lot of central plot concerning Shirou and Saber) or mix everything.
I hope they mix everything well though.
The Fate route has the best framework; keep Shirou and Saber as the core protagonists, have Archer turn rogue and do his fight with Shirou before redeeming himself vs. Berserker so he can still be an inspiration, have Kotomine help against Zouken and the Shadow, and round it off with something like Fate and HF's final battles.
My Fate favouritism isn't showing, is it?
>Shirou finally manages to pull out his ultimate trump card against the series' most powerful Servant
>11/10 one liner
>Fades out to next scene
>Fades back in, EMIYA is playing, opens with Shirou roaring and smashing one of Gil's swords, then kicks into swords, swords everywhere
As much as Gilfags love to get butthurt about how their blonde pretty boy lost, it was a fuckawesome scene.
I don't think you can mix anything. Leaving beside the conflicting plot stuff, there's also the different moods and ideologies each route has.
>My Fate favouritism isn't showing, is it?
Too bad the author doesn't agree.
dafuq, Saber won nearly every fight in Fate.
I can't forgive DEEN for fucking it up in the movie.
They'd need to clean a few things up though. Like Archer fighting Shirou, then Berserker. If they did that there'd be no struggle in the Berserker fight. At that point Shirou would already know Caliburn and have pretty decent tracing skill. He'd just go
>Oh, we need that golden sword? K, gimme 5 seconds
Not quite as intense.
Who cares about Nasu´s opinion?
He has expressed that pretty much of the things he has created are shit. He has an exagerated and annoying humble personality.
I don't care that he lost so much as he was just there to play foil to Shirou in that moment, as his character and motivations were shifted to be the opposite of Shirou's goals and ideals there, as opposed to his general showing in Fate where his attitude was there to match Arthuria. Then we find out later that he's not either of those two things in reality, and he really was just saying certain shit in order for the hero fighting against him to say "Shut up, take this!" as he denied them
Like when he goes on that slightly heavy handed speech about how Shirou's ideals are foolish, at least Archer was slightly less foolish, just so Shirou can go "Shut up, my ideals are cool". Then we have his "You destroyed your country" and "Your country destroyed you" speech with Arthuria when it turns out he was a decent ruler in his final days after being shamed by the snake. It's like in both cases he was only there to play big bad as his motives were just modded to match whoever he had to fight.
And Aoko is his personal waifu I mean seriously what shitty taste
He didn't say it was shit, he just said "That was my limit at the time, if I could go back and do it again I could do it better".
Simultaneously being a Gil and Emiyafag is suffering.
>Saber vs. Lancer
>Saber vs. Berserker 1
>Saber vs. Assassin
Draw due to being interrupted
>Saber vs. Rider
>Saber vs. Berserker 2
Won, but mainly thanks to Shirou
>Saber vs. Caster
Was about to be hit with Rule Breaker before Gilgamesh came
>Saber vs. Gilgamesh 1
>Saber vs. Gilgamesh 2
I think that's it.
Umm... Who cares? An author's thoughts on their own work mean absolutely nothing and don't determine the quality of anything.
Why does Gil suck in all three iterations of him in Fate/Stay Night? From Fate/Zero and CCC we see he could have been amazing, but in Fate/Stay Night he is really boring.
It would be wonderful if the adaption improved him, but I doubt that will happen.
That really bothered me, as well. I'm glad Nasu's handling of Gil improved with CCC.
The adaptation could have the Enkidu stuff that was left out of the F/Z anime.
Read Tsukihime first. FSN spoils you with better music, art, and over all presentation which would make going through Tsukihime tough to go through.
Nasu's original version was a bit lacking in concept, Urobuchi showed a new side of the King of Heroes as he and Nasu co-wrote that shit, and then Nasu took the new ideas and improved them even further with CCC. It's just a work in progress as it helps sometimes to have some outside input from another creator. Also it seems like Nasu has gotten a bit better at writer over the last decade.
Tsukihime remake fucking when?
The same day F/SN patch with Illya´s Route gets released.
I think it's possible. Nasu seems to have learned from his mistakes concerning Gilgamesh, so I'd be surprised if Ufotable portrays him so poorly.
It's tricky. I could say that Archer fights, lives because of a distraction (say Caster with Rule Breaker), then the Fate fight plays out, then Archer comes back near the end to test Shirou some more (maybe the Shadow gets him?).
It'd take some work, and no small amount of imagination.
hottest image in the entire game
What do those thighs do to you?
What about Shirou getting Archer's arm?
Actually, maybe Archer giving Shirou his arm could be his redemption point or something, instead of the Berserker fight.
Too bad Ayako is a throwaway character
This. I mark the fuck out every time.
Best scene in the whole fucking game.
No you didn't.
>hollow ataraxia tl
>waiting on validations
So that's a thing now.
You have a good taste in waifu.
One thing I didn't like about UBW was how everything that wasn't Shirou/Archer seemed to either be filler or stretched itself to fit Shirou/Archer. Gilgamesh was a much better character in Fate, IMO, since his character was that much more committed to his scenes and to his defeat, and also because it's more relevant and the Epic of Gilgamesh, but I'm probably the only Fate fan who cares about the legends vs. legends aspect
Is Fate and Saber obsession outside waifu worship a new thing?
Cause I thought a considerable amount of people called Saber as worst girl in actual romance and a mediocre servant for ABSOLUTELY WILL WIN IF THERE'S NO EQUAL tier in practice.
*it's more relevant to the themes of the arc*, is what I meant to say. Gah, I need to sleep.
>99.5% translated, script 74.4% validated
fate/zero rin best rin
Time for some music.
The legend gets a decent showing in CCC at least. I don't know if that applies too much here but it was fun seeing Nasu's version of it all while Gilgamesh was still this character.
She got the nekojamas from Ayako
also she gets fucked in them in FHA
She's pretty cute.
I really, really want to read Hollow Ataraxia, now.
Wow, you sure are behind the times! It's up to a whopping 74.6% validation now!
Glad to hear.
...Fate/Extra isn't the one with Emperor Nero, though, is it? I hate to sound petty, but as someone who studied Latin History that part just drives me bananas.
That first link should probably be this
And here's some others that got mixed in
It is. But you should be using Caster anyway. Archer is EMIYA but they don't refer to him by name or background or anything so it's sort of pointless.
Shirou getting the arm sets him down the path towards losing his body, though, doesn't it? I'm personally a fan of Shirou getting inspiration from Archer rather than an actual power boost, though.
Heehee. I just gaped your anus.
The part about Nero being a girl was kind of just someone on the staff saying "It isn't Fate wihtout Arthuria" which led to that decision, the reason itself wasn't anything great I can tell you.
However Nero's story itself was oddly balanced, as it talked about a Ruler who was basically unsuited for their job in whatever respect, but tried to do what he believed was right for his people, and ended up being chased out before committing suicide in a rather miserable end. The backstory itself and character beyond the inidital ideals wasn't horrible, and they don't gloss over it as she still burned people and sucked at the job, but it was written as someone who at least tried to give the people what she thought they wanted in difference to her own understanding, and was generally flamoyant as hell.
Emiya actually gets more background there than in FSN (In regards to the Archer flashbacks, not the bits with Shirou). He's the representation of all nameless heroes now so him not having a name is proof of his status, which is why he can't just give it. However beyond that it is obvious as hell who he is since there's constant references.
I actually enjoyed Gilgamesh's defeat in Fate. I thought the way he stroked her cheek, and the fact that Saber let him, was poignant.
Interesting. Can't I just pick Archer, though?
Caster's the catgirl, right? Who's she meant to be?
Not him, but I just started playing through Extra as well, and I've heard that playing Caster just gets tedious with difficulty unless you already know the system pretty well. Was that overstated?
>I thought the way he stroked her cheek, and the fact that Saber let him
That happened? I don't remember it...
Walk in, see this, wat do
Caster is a kitsune. Tamamo-no-Mae.
She's cute as fuck.
Well, true. But I'm a slut for names, and they never say Shirou and Emiya and it made me grumpy and sad.
Tamamo-no-mae, and honestly she doesn't even try to hide it much since it's in her bio from the start unlike the other two.
I just finished the Fate route today.
That was pretty fucking good, I'm excited for the rest of the novel. Saber... ;_;
There's always the cg set.
Comparatively, maybe. She was the first I played and all it took was a few reminders to use magic since it's far easier to spam the Attack>Break>Guard>Attack cycle.
If you use PPSSPP just save state before big fights, since the save system can be a pain in the ass anyway. You can drop from 100%-0 in one turn if you're not careful.
Saber is best
I finished it over the weekend myself. Did the beginning of UBW yesterday, and I'll probably continue in a few minutes.
Why didn't Kotomine use his fighting skills there?
That was a editor's glitch, bro. It wasn't supposed to be there.
Speaking of, what's up with Hollow Ataraxia? Last I heard they were pretty close to being finished.
Okay, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks!
Nasu probably hadn't thought that far ahead at the time of writing the Fate route.
>He raises his weak hand and touches the cheek of the knight in front of him as if making sure she exists.
I think this is what anon is referring to. Felt like the only scene Deen didn't butcher.
I suppose, since his skills weren't introduced until HF. And wasn't HF kinda rushed in the original release, with RN adding more CGs and stuff?
Ask her why she's not wearing anything below her waist
Fondle her sweater puppies of course
Right, I remember now. Thanks.
As you should be; the development is split into three parts over the story, so characters that didn't stand out at all last chapter might just make it to the end of the war this time around as they suddenly are able to show their stuff, and your perception of characters you think you know will change and change again before the end.
Nasu's writing style is very [set it up] and then flip your preconceptions around until they become almost the reverse. Starts out with some simple scenario that seems easy enough, but it turns out it was the reverse and everything you thought was wrong from the start, yet the clues were there if you had just given the ribbon to the right girl.
Because she wanted to present herself to you but you ruined the surprise
>Nasu's writing style is very [set it up] and then flip your preconceptions around until they become almost the reverse.
I feel bad for people that saw F/Z first. And I bet a bunch of them are gonna complain about the new anime if it keeps that writing style...
Remember, after 100%-ing the game, play Fate again.
Welcome home, anon
Thanks for explaining that about Nero.
But my problem isn't just presenting Nero as a woman. It's presenting him as something nearly likeable or protagonistic. Nero never tried to do what he believed was right - he was a selfish ass who indulged in his own petty vices, wasted the Empire's money on gluttonous exchange, persecuted Christians and others as scapegoats for his own crimes, and hid in a kennel when an army came to overthrow him.
At least the other servants have some relevance to their past history. Nero was just misplaced.
Who wants to bet that the F/Z fags are gonna complain about Kotomine being fairly generic in Fate?
Yeah, I watched F/Z first and it was obvious from all of the dialogue and repeated hints that Archer was Emiya after just a few hours of Fate. Also that Sakura must be a master, even without any hints.
Except Nero was loved by the common people of Rome
Still holds true enough; they presented Nero in a positive light here, but still showed that he's a hedonistic asshole who emptied the coffers and just did whatever the hell here. It's a little of both sides, while maybe glamorizing it quite a bit since it's the person in question talking at the time.
I think most of the anime watchers have probably been in enough Fate threads to figure out that there are some differences between Stay night and their zero counterparts at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them went and read the VN after the fact anyway.
>liking impure sluts
BUT NOW, it's thought that Nero actually DIDN'T burn Rome, since he was at his Villa at the time.
Here's something to educate you as you play F/E.
AND ABOUT NERO PLAYING A FIDDLE...
Fiddles were not invented until 200 years AFTER Nero's death.
By jove, I'm being enlightened. Thank you, anon.
...I think I might just check out F/E now.
It has more cute Rin if you're into that stuff.
She's a different Rin, but her personality is mostly intact. And even if you download the US version thank god it has JP voices, though it's not the original Rin voice.
Why'd they get a different VA for extra Rin?
Wait, no. I'm wrong about that one.
Why the fuck did I think that.
Think nothing of it.
I'm protecting the name of my Emperor is all.
Ok, that's fine. I hadn't played extra as I heard the gameplay is mind numbing, but changing Rin's voice would be sacrilege. I was hoping you were joking or something.
If the new anime does cover all 3 routes separately, how do you think they'll cover repeating scenes (especially if there are small differences between them)?
Weren't they going to go for a completely original story?
Make sure that you find the semi-hidden lesbian sex scene between Tohsaka and Saber.
You might want to try playing it some time without any preconceptions, since a lot of what's said here tends to be exaggerated in one way or another. It can be very love it or hate it, but typically it's not seen as that bad of a game from what I've seen.
Boss battles are great but I'll admit that the normal battles get tedious pretty quick.
No, that was misinformation. All that was said is that Nasu is giving them some new content, not a new route.
There aren't really that many repeating scenes between the routes. Once they diverge on day 3, that is about it. Each route even has it's own comedy bits, etc. that don't show up in the others. If you're talking about before the split, they could show them from different perspectives or show different parts for each route. For UBW, they could show the first three days from Rin's perspective for instance. Everyone seems to always give the prologue high marks anyway.
I have planned on playing it regardless, but I just haven't gotten around to it.
The prologue was too slow for me, but the anime could fix that. Maybe they'll do an hour long episode for it, like the first episode of F/Z.
>Everyone seems to always give the prologue high marks anyway
It was entertaining, but the prologue was almost too long for its own good.
She's a late game character. At the start she's hard to work with because of low mana, few skills, and piss poor strength and defense growth. Once you've actually got those to around C rank while pumping mana up and gain skills the game becomes almost too easy.
Takes a bit to get up there though, once you're around lvl 25 and get "bestial sky" you'll see what I mean.
Taiga a best.
I'm just wondering what they're gonna do with it, which route they're going to adapt, ect...
Though ufotable has established themselves as being able to do the nasuverse justice what with how good Kara no Kyoukai and Fate/Zero were. So I'm expecting something good.
It's like Cross Channel, sometimes those repeating scenes have a deeper meaning that's expounded upon as the story goes along.
˙ʇᴉ ǝʞᴉl noʎ lᴉʇun ʎɐp ʎɹǝʌǝ sᴉɥʇ ʇsod oʇ ƃuᴉoƃ ɯ,I
Yeah it does drag on a bit.
Just finished UBW. Got the true end first, then went back and got the Good End.
Sunny Day is the canon ending in my mind. I don't want HF to ruin it
Sunny Day was the best ending besides Fate, but I'm horribly biased.
Too bad, HF true end is best end.
How strange, for the sun to be up at night..
For better or worse some perceptions are bound to change. Such as the one in this image right here.
Could swear I aborted that post
Sunny Day needs continuation with Saber's son as protagonist and Rin's daughter as heroine.
Why is Angry Man Jew so angry?
Since Shirou is obviously the father of both, I guess there's incest involved.
Or does Seiba use her dick and make Rin the mother of both?
I'm still going to read HF because it apparently explains the grail war stuff in a lot more detail, and I'm pretty curious because the final battle in UBW hinted a much larger conspiracy behind the scenes.
I just know the ending is going to suck though.
Well, it is his nature, along with being tortured for all eternity(until humanity dies out) and becoming a wraith just because he was chosen as the ritual sacrifice of his village.
Do both on separate routes.
The ending really only sucks in that it sucks for Shirou. To be honest, I prefer the normal end for the route compared to the true end. You'll have to see for yourself which you like better.
I still don't get that image. What is it even supposed to be? Did that thing actually appear that night or was Shirou hallucinating or something?
>I just know the ending is going to suck though.
Too bad for you on that bet, since even people who kind of hate the route tend to say the ending is the most powerful series of scenes in the game. Really the only dry parts people don't care for are the heroine and that lull in the middle.
Still HF is the scenario that will break everything you thought you knew early on, and the entire grail war will go to shit in the first couple days.
It at least has the best endgame.
I like happy ends. Shirou's gone through enough shit, he deserves a happy life with his waifus.
It appeared above the town and was the cause of the fire, Shirou saw it which is why he was the only member of his family to survive since he just started running.
There's a huge clue going into that story since you knew the fire took place at night, so what was the Sun doing there in the middle of the night? You think, "of course the fire must have gone on a few days, that's why". Really the truth comes out in HF, he blanked out a piece of the memory on that day because he couldn't rationally handle it, so he replaced something that shouldn't be there with the closest thing he could in his mind and just pretended something didn't happen. Part of his psyche depended on repressing that part of the truth, repressing the fate worse than death.
There is a True End as well that's arguably the most all around happy ending for the series.
Except for Seiba, of course.
Read or watch Zero to get how it works, or just remember the end of Fate route.
All evils in the world fills up the container in the sky, the cup does not literally hold the essence. Because Kiritsugu destroyed the grail wrong by breaking the container, the contents spilled out over the town. Really the right way to not let that happen is to destroy the contents rather than the container, like in Fate route.
There's always fewer chairs than there are people, someone is always going to be left standing.
That alone is why it's my personal least favorite route ;_;
I hope you're not talking about HF's true end. Either of UBW endings are "happier" than either of HF's endings as is LE for that matter. From Shriou's perspective, HF's endings are bad.
From Shirou's perspective, I don't think he really would care as long as everyone is happy.
So I just finished watching Fate/Zero a minute ago.
Holy shit, that must have been one of the anime that changed my views on life. When this year is the remake of Stay/Night?
It's scenes like this that remind me of Nasu's words about Rin inheriting her kindness from her parents. I like how underneath her tough exterior lies a beautiful feminine, and very idealistic, side. When I think about it, she has more in common with Shirou than I take for granted.
You did read the VN first, right?
Then the other endings are still better in that everyone else is still happy with the addition of him being alive or not spending the rest of his days trying to manipulate a puppet body to exist.
>From Shriou's perspective, HF's endings are bad.
Not at all, he succeeded at what he started out towards and kept his promise, and quite a few people around him were glad in the end. If you want to see that as a bad ending somehow, then it seems like your perspective is a bit strange compared to what the game was trying to get across. It is a shame when past ideals and dreams don't work out, but sometimes the only way to move forward is to move forward. He is happy in his new life, and it's not to say that the ideals were wrong, but he is not ashamed here nor should he be, and this is an answer as well for him. As soon as he took off the red penalty he knew "This is my only path, I won't look back, I won't retreat".
Have you read the VN? Because if not you just had a lot of it spoiled for you by watching F/Z first.
>Since Shirou is obviously the father of both, I guess there's incest involved.
Can you imagine fruits of such a relationship? Shirou's, Rin's and Saber's common descendant would have to be an interesting person.
Everyone around him is happy in the HF true ending. Hell, it's the only ending where Sakura is happy.
That'd be a pretty fucking destructive combination.
It's a girl who then summons and mates with Archer.
Is there anyway we can keep this going?
She doesn't actually die in Heaven's Feel. She goes back to the same hill every time she dies in the Grail War.
>Letting a Chinese cartoon affect your life.
Do you realize how retarded that sounds?
Puppet body isn't so bad, after all you don't see Touko complaining too much. Ilya asked him "Do you wish to live, no matter how it may be?", and indeed he did wish to survive. He was granted a miracle being able to stay alive when he should have been dead, and over a year later he's still looking glad as fuck alongside Sakura.
Other endings all have someone out in the dust in the end as well along with the one who couldn't be saved, but this ending you get a strong "It all worked out" vibe. Just because people want to make puppet body out to be something horrifying and cruel doesn't make it so. The body is an exact replica of his own, it's stated to be even a bit stronger or more durable, it took him a bit to get the controls down but he's about got it these days, and most of all he's just glad to be alive.
>She doesn't actually die in Heaven's Feel. She goes back to the same hill every time she dies in the Grail War.
Yeah, but it's still the worst ending for her.
And is there a chance her becoming Saber Alter affected future summonings? It is her actual soul that was there and tainted...
Well, that's because she is the only one who ends up better off in HF's endings. To be honest, she ends up fine after the other two routes as well, so it isn't really worth the death of hundreds of civilians and Shriou's death or broken existence to go down that route. Everyone else is worse for wear, although, I might argue that Illya gets some closure at the end of HF true.
Not him, but none of the endings are perfectly happy even if Nasu tries to cover them up as such.
In HF, they lost a lot of good people senselessly and Shirou has to completely block Saber from his mind or else he'd go insane similar to how he blocked out the Grail in the fire. There's also half of the servants getting shafted with no reprieve at all.
UBW is brety gud, but that's only because it's an open ending and there are implications that Sakura can be saved. Archer, Saber, Shinji, and Lancer all also arguably get good ends.
Fate is similar to HF in that everyone gets shit on, except this time Ilya also gets saved for a little while. However, it's the happiest possible ending for Shirou since he still comes to the same conclusion in HF without giving up his super hero ways, gives God the middle finger, leaves the cycle of reincarnation that claims everyone's souls due to arcane magicks, retains his soul, and ends up in Avalon forever with his waifu with both of their ideals still intact.
>what is UBW?
> she ends up fine after the other two routes as well
You crazy? She's still being worm raped in the other two routes! Also, Rin gets closure with Sakura in HF, and Kotomine gets similar closure to Ilya. Also, Rider lives, and she's best girl so it's all good.
Grail was destroyed. She won't get another shot.
But it's still the worst ending for her.
Ilya doesn't really get any closure in other routes, sadly. She's still happy in Fate until she dies though.
What would it look like?
But this is mostly it. It's a matter of whose happiness is more important for each ending.
That reminds me, the UBW ending made Lancer my favorite servant in F/SN. Too bro for this world.
>And is there a chance her becoming Saber Alter affected future summonings? It is her actual soul that was there and tainted...
I don't know. She's physically frozen at that hill so I doubt it could actually affect her. She still might retain those memories though.
She even admits she's a softie deep down. That gem daddy left her had enough mojo in it to blow away a servant and/or decimate an enemy master through brute force of thaumaturgy.
What does she do with it instead? Use it to save some guy she barely knows from a cruel twist of fate, even if by doing so she'd almost certainly be given admission to the clock tower for pulling off a heart replication. She tries to be an amoral, practical magus like the rest. But in the end she's just too damn nice "for her own good". It's one of the reasons she's best girl in F/SN.
Also, she didn't know it then, but because of that the gem became a catalyst for summoning EMIYA, arguably one of the best servants you could hope to land given how OP UBW is.
>and there are implications that Sakura can be saved
Not really, nothing so much stated at all.
I doubt he comes to the same conclusion in Fate route that he did in HF either by far. Plus even if Ilya didn't live as long you did see the siblings connect in a meaningful way along with seeing the girl who never had any options in life decide her own fate for once, while making peace with what family she has left.
That grail was destroyed, there have always been others.
I hope the new anime gives more screentime to him and Fake Assassin.
>There's also half of the servants getting shafted with no reprieve at all.
That's every route
Honestly I love Fake Assassin but he really doesn't need that much screen time. As long as they properly explain everything about him (including why he has no real reason to care about the war) and give him his final fight with Saber (or anybody, really) I'd be okay with it.
Seeing his fights with the other 6 Servants would be cool, though.
>I doubt he comes to the same conclusion in Fate route that he did in HF either by far
What? HF was about him learning to prioritize someone he loved above the world, abandoning his perceived duties to be with that person. In Fate, he also came to terms with his ideal and pursued Saber over it, which was why he was able to get into Avalon. Fate and HF Shirou are very similar, except Fate Shirou gives the universe the middle finger.
Sure, he attained maximum bro tier in UBW
For me, at least, he was never that compelling of a character. A character with no reason to fight or even really exist is one that's difficult to get emotionally invested in.
and temperamentally honorable, idealistic and tsundere.
>I-it's not like I want to be a hero or anything!
He's a guy who only existed for two weeks, he could not go anywhere and all he could do in the end was fight or watch. He fought to prove his own existence, to leave one small mark that he was there, and because it's all he had.
For that reason he devoted himself at least to enjoying this one pleasure.
Eh, Assassin wasn't all that interesting, he was literally a roadblock in the way of more important fights. It's not really his fault though. He's just stuck there and has no reason to care, but we don't really have any reason to care about him in turn.
>yfw it's pronounced "coo cullen"
Zouken gives up on using Sakura after the 5th war. She's fine in the other two routes. Difference is she isn't with Shirou, obviously.
I get that, but that's the extent of his character. That one pleasure can be delivered in one two-minute fight scene. There, character resolved.
>you will never understand irish or welsh pronunciations
said, he isn't supposed to be super interesting or anything. He is just a small anecdote in the war. His entire existence is pretty tragic, and although it isn't very important it still is pretty interesting. He's a cool guy who deserved more; that's basically it.
> Fends off every servant to challenge the mountain using nothing but his pure skill
> Fends off BERSERKER who can't even be scratched by anything less than an A rank noble phantasm
> Only loses to Saber because he bent his blade
Easily one of my favorite servants, I wish he did have more screentime and they showed at least one or two of his previous battles before Saber
>He fought to prove his own existence, to leave one small mark that he was there
No he didn't. Did you even read F/SN? Assassin didn't care about 'leaving a mark' or getting anything done, he just wanted to fight because he's a blood knight.
>I get that, but that's the extent of his character.
A character doesn't need to have a expansive backstory or in-depth motive to be interesting, anon.
Don't forget he's a total fake as far as servants go. There was never a real rival to Musashi, he was just some forgotten person who had achieved a feat that nobody had any right to through sheer dedication and determination (i.e. a limited application of the Second Magic) and he wasn't even a magus.
He just wanted a good fight, and to be remembered by SOMEBODY as the person he was, not as some fictional character. Being Fake Assassin is suffering.
But anon, it isn't pronounced that way.
To be fair, Cu was just scouting at that point and Ilya probably got bored so she pulled Berserker out. Remember, Caster was providing magic support to Berserker so it would take awhile for him to break through.
And let's be honest, he has no way of actually beating Berserker or Cu, the two strongest servants in the war.
Remains only a question of how (s)he will look.
Sakura was never meant to be used in the fifth war to begin with, she was meant to be used to breed powerful offspring for the later war.
But he's not interesting at all. He wasn't invested in anything, had no interest in the war, nor did he have any kind of long term goal. He's a vacuous character, he was created to impede others who actually have goals and vested interests.
Assassin himself said he didn't care about anything except enjoying his fights because by the very nature of his existence nothing he did would have any reflection upon himself. He was some random phantom playing the role of a fictional hero, he didn't even have his own pride at stake.
I'm not saying that. However, in this case he's bland and uninteresting, especially when compared to the other characters.
The ultimate million dollar question.
We don't really know what happens to Sakura in the other two routes. I'd imagine that Shirou and Rin do something about it in Fate since Rin has been suspecting for awhile and now that the war is out of the way and they realize how fucked up Shinji was, that may motivate them to investigate.
UBW is kind of up in the air since they both leave for London.
It was only stated that Caster used gravity magic to weigh Berserker down a bit while fighting so Sasaki could keep knocking him back in the end. Nasu said he was the amazing one there for being able to do it at all, and she has horrible affinity with Hercules anyway.
Ahoge Twin-tailed Redhead.
That's still a huge if however, the closest chance you might see to Rin doing something about it is ten years later upon returning to take down the grail.
He doesn't stand a chance against berserker-- and considering gay bulge being incredibly broken quite a few servants wouldn't stand a chance against Cu. Regardless Fake Assassin's still one hell of a fighter for not even having a noble phantasm and not completely useless for being in the role of assassin
>That's still a huge if however,
I'm just saying that it's not accurate to dismiss it as an outright bad end for Sakura. Jumping to rash conclusions like that is what leads to idiots saying Archer hated his life and the like.
Almost certainly green eyes.
Red-haired blonde or brown.
Everything else is an individual.
Yeah, that's what I mean. Caster and Sasaki worked together to repel Berserker and Ilya probably got bored and just left. I don't really consider that too impressive, especially against Cu who was just scouting as well.
I think in an actual fight without Caster support and if Ilya really wanted to, Sasaki would get trashed.
>But he's not interesting at all. He wasn't invested in anything, had no interest in the war, nor did he have any kind of long term goal. He's a vacuous character, he was created to impede others who actually have goals and vested interests.
None of them were really invested in the war, no one really wanted the grail, that's one of the points of the fifth war here. The closest one that actually came to wanting the thing were Kotomine who didn't actually want to win but just wanted someone to win, Bazett who was kicked out before the contest, Saber who's dream was foolish to begin with, and Rin who "Ehhh, I don't actually want it, but I'll take it".
That's one of the points here, no one was really invested in the war itself, but they get drawn in because they're in a scenario of constant backstabbing and dicks. Hercules wasn't any more invested in this war or had a goal anymore than Assassin for the most part, Cu Cuthulain honestly just wanted to fight and prove to his master was the best(at first), a motivation is something to gain rather than something to have since the start often enough.
Tsubaime Gaishi is essentially a Noble Phantasm though, insofar as it is essentially an unblockable, undodgeable attack comparable to Gae Bolg. No matter what you do, baring other circumstances, you will incur a lethal wound. Saber, for instance, only evaded it because she bent his blade. If she hadn't, well, good bye jugular, hello bleed out!
I like Fake Assassin because I find that he has a cool attitude, plus the fact that he got something that had the strength of a Noble Phantasm through training is pretty fucking badass.
Difference is we know Archer didn't hate his life, he died with a smile and only knew absolute regret postmortem as stated in the game. While the bit about Sakura is more.. wishful thinking.
Archer's life wasn't all sunshine and puppy farts, but he admits that he was glad in the end and that he had some good moments, even if part of his final happiness was the thought "At least I'll be able to help people after my death".
>No matter what you do, baring other circumstances, you will incur a lethal wound.
The difference is, it's a telegraphed attack that needs positioning/stance to set up. Saber only gambled her life because she was short on time; in a real fight it's not really a concern.
The comparison to gay bulge doesn't work because gay bulge works in like a 20m radius or some ridiculous shit like that. It's basically a guaranteed hit as soon as it's activated from range.
I just watched Prisma Illya and i love her
>None of them were really invested in the war,
But that's wrong. And you missed the point of what I said entirely. For starters the servants all had masters who needed them for various purposes and had various plans of their own even if they didn't concern the grail.
Assassin had nothing. He made the best of his situation by trying to get some enjoyment out of his fights, but it was either that or jack off all day. He had nothing else to do and no intent or desire to do anything else. Because unlike the other Servants he didn't even have his own identity to inhabit, nothing he did reflected back on himself. He had no honor or pride or reputation at stake.
He's the least interesting person in the entire grail war because of this. He has nothing to fight for, nothing to gain, nothing to lose, no name, no history, no story.
Who write to Takeuchi to draw her/him?
But its not-- Fake Assassin's sword has nothing special about it besides being obscenely large to actually wield. Tsubame Gaeshi is just him swinging his sword with ungodly speed and skill
>Difference is we know Archer didn't hate his life, he died with a smile and only knew absolute regret postmortem as stated in the game.
No we didn't. That was actually just speculation for years until EXTRA came out.
>While the bit about Sakura is more.. wishful thinking.
No it isn't. It's a loose end that is tied directly to Rin and Shirou and would be taken care of sooner or later in the last Grail War. I myself take a neutral stance, but saying that she gets a bad end is presumptuous and hypocritical.
Tri-Wing Connect is a manmade version of Tsubaime Gaishi in a sense, a replication of the same principle in a way but it reflects more on the user's ability to analyze and know how people react alongside his lack of special talent but ability to simply hone what he has.
It's nothing so impressive as bending space through sheer will, but it's the technique of a soul who wanted to reach the same level as such monstrous people through sheer effort.
Not even that, it tapped into the second magic I believe.
Fund it. Fund it.
Even if telegraphed, once initiated there's nothing you can really do about it. Three separate attacks will be launched at the *exact* same time and impact your position at that *exact* moment. There is no blocking, there is no dodging, because no matter how good you are at least one of them is getting through and landing as if you had just stood there and done nothing.
Saber even admitted to making a mistake when she bent the blade. He did that on purpose, to put her into a position where he could unleash the full power of the technique before she could do a damn thing to stop him. It was a mistake on his part in the end, but hell, can't fault him for trying.
It's comparable to an NP he said. And he's right, because only NPs can stand up to NPs without breaking. His odachi was ancient and had accumulated its fair share of mysteries through legend and tsubaime gaeshi, which was why it could take so many direct hits from other mythical weapons.
>Even if telegraphed, once initiated there's nothing you can really do about it.
Except being out of range, which I pointed out. Or you know, pressing the attack so he doesn't have the chance to do it. It is NOTHING compared to gay bulge.
Saber only went against it head on because of
and the fact that she was pressed for time.
Don't make me repeat myself again.
Still not a noble phantasm-- hes just so skilled he gives a middle finger to the laws of physics
I'm pretty sure he says he didn't hate his life or he didn't know hell until after death. While I don't think Extra really gets into that quite as much despite Archer telling quite a bit of his life-story. It's the tale of a man who sought to be a hero, a man misunderstood by others every step of the day, who laments himself for each failing, but despite his personality flaws he truly was a noble soul as his master thought after listening deeply to his story.
Extra does have more of him sharing personal stories, but I'd need to go back and read it to see what was really said. Meanwhile when Rin was viewing his dreams in UBW she mentions he was foolish and upright until the end while being glad as he died thinking "At least I'll be able to help people now, even if I couldn't do much before this point" to which she corrects that idea how he's mistaken about the nature of a guardian right as it gets to that point. Then the boy who wished for others happiness without end came to understand the fallacy of those he would protect, as endlessly he was exposed to hatred, hypocrisy, betrayal, death, selfishness, and pain.
Comparable does not mean equal anon. Inferior versions of things are still "comparable" to superior versions insofar as they are in a sense similar. The similarity being "unblockable and undodgeable".
Once Gae Bolg is unleashed, it will hit, because it has already hit. When Tsubaime Gaishi is unleashed, it will hit, because as they are in range it can't not. Comparable, not superior, not equal.
>I'm pretty sure he says he didn't hate his life or he didn't know hell until after death.
This is what I thought too, but I just reread UBW and Fate over Christmas and I don't recall any line of the sort. The closest was him thinking to himself that he could help more people, but he didn't say anything about enjoying his life or dying with a smile on his face.
You're going to have to screencap to convince me.
I know it's not a NP, it's just comparable power-wise.
There's not enough love in this world for the best servant - EMIYA.
Why can't we have more material about him? Backstory novel when?
>The similarity being "unblockable and undodgeable".
It's like you're not even reading my posts or are intentionally being stupid. Tsubaime Gaeshi has an effective range the length of the sword (90cm), which is easily ranged or like I said, staying close range to prevent him from setting it up.
Compare to gay bulge, where being just within 20m means you're fucked without a lucky dice roll.
Please try to keep up with your reading comprehension.
Written by Gen, right?
It would be unnecessarily edgy.
I'd rather have Nasu write it; he did an amazing job with CCC.
Please no. He's suffered enough that he shouldn't be exposed to Gen's twisted cruelty.
But Archer's life is all about edginess!
Just wait for CCC I guess, those games typically go into back-story more and more. Like here's him explaining the reason for his Gaybar jacket that he suddenly found himself wearing in Mooncell due to a mix up.
>Answer: Follow up with, “It looks really good on you.”
>Archer: O-oh. It looks good…? Really?
>W-well, you saying that makes me feel better about it…
>…It seems I’ll have to reconsider this outfit. Yeah… Now that I think about it, it’s not so bad. The truth is, I always wanted to wear this kind clothing.
>This is from when I was alive, but a female acquaintance of mine told me, “Rock style doesn’t suit you, so knock it off, seriously.”
>Ever since then, I’ve avoided these kinds of clothes. But, I see, I look good in it… Mm, I kind of want to show off even more skin now…
It's not much, but personal anecdote stories can be nice.
I am. But I haven't heard anything about CCC's translation for ages. Is it actually coming out officially to PAL regions or are we stuck with a fanpatch?
>I am. But I haven't heard anything about CCC's translation for ages. Is it actually coming out officially to PAL regions or are we stuck with a fanpatch?
At the moment, neither.
Gay-bulge is way too broken
It just needs someone who knows Japanese.
>This is from when I was alive, but a female acquaintance of mine told me, “Rock style doesn’t suit you, so knock it off, seriously.”
I thought Shirou had traditional/plain tastes in clothing, not this bdsm metrosexual shit.
What the fuck man.
Not really, if they don't immediately die from it you're in a bad spot. Anybody with a high rank in "Battle Continuation" or with a high luck score is going to take you down with them. It's why Fragarach is strong against it, Gae Bolg may have already pierced your heart, but it has also done likewise. Mutual KO in that case.
MEoDP suffers from a similar weakness. Launch a bunch of attacks at range and well, MEoDP can't keep up.
I should've expected that. What a shame.
Maybe I should give F/E another shot. I was going to save my playthrough until CCC came out in English.
He wanted to be Rock at one point, and this is what he thought Rock meant.
Guy doesn't have a lot of hobbies(Just cooking, maybe archery, and working out for the most part), but something managed to get through to him once as he thought he liked a certain song, only to be shot down by a friend who just said "Yeah, this isn't you at all". He's not so broken that he wouldn't go try on clothes once or twice with a friend when his old stuff is getting too worn, only to end up picking something strange.
They're basically different games at this point.
Say you fuck up, say you can't get in or out of the kill zone in time. What then?
It's inferior, I already said that. Seriously, chill man, it's only a debate.
You'll be playing through it about three times anyway, so you've got a bit of time.
>Anybody with a high rank in "Battle Continuation" or with a high luck score is going to take you down with them.
I don't know man. Saber got wrecked pretty hard by it, which means it's really painful so Lancer can get in and out.
But yeah, doing it against someone like Herakles is just asking to die.
>Say you fuck up,
Then you fuck up.
But my point is that it has a lot of limitations compared to gay bulge. I guess on the most superficial level you can say they are comparable, but come on man. Gay bulge is an instant death radius that can be spammed four times in quick succession.
Tsubaime Gaeshi requires optimal positioning. Why else did you think Sasaki had to goad Saber into bending his sword instead of just using it any time earlier? Because he was waiting for the perfect positioning and stance to use it, but he was running out of time.
This isn't an issue for gay bulge since the world warps around it so it'll hit.
I really want a Last Espiode OVA if nothing else. Make it work UFOtable.
>Backstory novel when?
Archer is better off as some enigmatic hero as it is. That's why he is so interesting as a character to some people. If he actually got his own story it would come as some sort of fan-fiction.
Fuck Gen. I hate how people think that if Urobutcher took a shit in some nearby trashcan, people would consider that a work of art. Killing off people or having the main character suffer doesn't make a story compelling.
I bet it'll either be the last episode of the new anime or a BD special.
>Gay bulge is an instant death radius that can be spammed four times in quick succession.
I don't recall that being said, although him being able to use it seven times in the same war without needing a mana refill has been said
At least he did good with Saya no Uta.
>He wanted to be Rock at one point, and this is what he thought Rock meant.
I love Shirou. He's like an adorable retard.
I want this badly.
It reverses cause and effect actually. The effect is determined before the cause. "Pierce the heart" is determined the instant its name is uttered. All you have to do after that is attack. No matter what, the attack will strike the heart because, well, it already has.
Point is, whether through hax or through logic someone is eating a lethal wound. The only question is how and why. Tsubaime Gaishi has more stringent requirements but so long as they are met the result is the same.
Enemy eats a blow that ought end them. Period. Only things like extraneous circumstances, godly luck, or other such fuckery will prevent it.
In the case of battle continuation they're probably too busy cringing from being penetrated so I'd imagine you can pull out and get your distance before they could actually counterattack
In the case of luck they'd be too busy dodging the attack, again allowing Lancer to clear the distance once more
Fragarach manipulated causality similar to gay bulge, so they both got penetrated
In most cases its not an issue, being a cheap effective way to off an opponent in 1v1 combat
The only time I could see it being an issue would be against Herakles
>It reverses cause and effect actually.
That's what I said, thanks for repeating?
>Tsubaime Gaishi has more stringent requirements but so long as they are met the result is the same.
Well this can be applied to anything, like Archer's crane strike or an AoE Excaliblast. Your comparison is losing all meaning.
>Only things like extraneous circumstances, godly luck, or other such fuckery will prevent it.
Like I said, you just need to stay out of range or pressure him so he can't set it up like Seibah did. This isn't gay bulge where you can sit far away and spam it while they run to you only to have to deal with dice rolls.
I find it frustrating how you are ignoring my points. I don't feel like repeating myself anymore, later dude.
>It's why Fragarach is strong against it
Fragarach is a completely unique case because it essentially does what gay bulge does, only with different conditions. This is why it caused a double KO and had nothing to do with luck or battle continuation. You're not going to replicate that scene with anything else.
Battle Contuation isn't stated to help much, in fact nothing is stated about it effecting Gae Bolg much
Gae Bolg upon piecing becomes a million thorns that spread out through the blood stream piercing the entire body supposedly, as it's mentioned that happened when it stabbed Bazett. It only lasts a second, but it's far being pleasurable, and it's more than just a stab wound.
>Start Heaven's Feel
>Feel a little nervous since /a/ keeps saying that UBW was the best route
>Everyone talks shit about Sakura
>"She can't be all that bad, even if she can get a little annoying"
>Shit starts getting real right off the bat, since Caster is the first one to die
>Not even halfway through, Seiba gets swallowed up by the darkness
>Suddenly some shadow appeared
>SERVANTS GETTING DESTROYED LEFT AND RIGHT
>Holy shit what the fuck is going on
>That bro as fuck Kotomine
>Those scenes with Sakura slowly going mental
>The Sakura's Shadow eats a shitton of people
>Fucking bewildered when edgy Seiba appeared
>What the fuck are you doing Sakura
>Goddammit just get off the screen you edgy little shit
>She goes full edge near the end
>THAT FUCKING BERSERKER EMIYA SCENE
>KOTOMINE TELLING SAKURA TO SHOVE IT
Holy shit was that fucking amazing. I'm really enjoying this route. You guys were right, shit's really going down. You were fucking right about Sakura too, I'm sorry to have doubted you.
Archer blocked it from range if you remember, cost him the use of his arm for a bit but he blocked the full power version with Rho Ahis.
Again, it hits whether or not the target "dies" once their heart is pierced. It's the immovable object meeting the unstopable force.
>Gae Bolg upon piecing becomes a million thorns that spread out through the blood stream piercing the entire body supposedly
Huh, I always thought that was hyperbole.
So what happened when Saber got stabbed? I guess it was just a normal stab then since it didn't get a critical hit (max health+1 damage)?
>Archer blocked it from range if you remember
I hope you realize the thrown version of gay bulge is not the causality warping version and both have completely different properties.
Saber survived thanks to her high luck stat.
Get out of here and come back when you're finished. Ending is so hype
None of that hit anything decidedly lethal or life ending because she has A-Rank Luck. She literally lucked out there in that he essentially "missed" when he ought not have. Luck changes fate, she was "fated" to die there, but luck said otherwise.
No, I mean did she feel the 'thorns through bloodstream' thing? I'm guessing no since she got a decent dice roll.
She's just throwing a tantrum as ten years of rape ain't and repression comes spilling out, once it's all left her system she'll be normal once more. But until that point she'll be something of a menace. By the time of the normal ending you'll probably have forgiven her somewhat, or maybe the True Ending.
Anime ends, credits roll. Black silent screen for a moment. Then
Starts and the camera pans over the green field, cue the ending. I'd jizz my pants.
>listening shounenshit kiddos that love UWB and muh waifufags that worship Fate
>welcome to the best route
>enjoy your Brotomine
Doesn't activate fully if it doesn't hit the heart, I guess.
However if the full effect takes place then it's stated even Arcuied can die from a critical hit. Only thing about her is that she doesn't tend to stay dead.
There should be a F/SN tabletop game, it sounds like it could be interesting. Nasu himself likes DnD, right?
I can see HFfags getting butthurt already
>BUT ITS NOT CANON
>ITS JUST NASU THROWING YOU A BONE
>HF TRUE IS BETTER ANYWAYS
HF is only just getting started.
And yeah. Sakura truly, truly, a shit.
If it's the same episode as the HF ending, then it would be a bit weird, seeing as they're different Shirous.
Pretty sure it already exists.
I know some people at my uni were doing a game of it, but I didn't really care about Fate/stay at the time.
I hope they either adapt one route alone or do a combination of all 3. Saber and her ultimate waifu status over in Japan means she'll probably the 'winner' unless they decide to do HF. Who knows.
A nasuverse Tabletop would be pretty awesome. Shouldn't be too hard in the end, it is essentially the anime version of "World of Darkness".
And Nasu does love him some tabletops, I hear he was even part of a campaign with the Urobutcher himself with some GM. "Red Dragon" or something...
Humans/Magi would have normal character stats and be at varying levels, and Servants would all start at level 20 since they're epic, with stats in the 20s/30s.
It might actually be cool.
only 5 or 6 more years!
Wouldn't be that hard. Each player is a magus and you set up a Servant with really high stats/level/epic feats that pertain to their lore. Spells would need a little editing. But you could do it pretty easily.
That's HF. The only redeeming parts of it are the battles that take place at the end of the route. No one every talks about anything else in the route.
there is only one end
If we're doing Nasuverse in general, then I call Zelretch!
Shiki and Sakurafags are awful.
Pretty true. The only part people talk about are the last few days and the crazy action in them.
If HF hadn't had Sakura and was paced a little better it'd be perfect.
Well, the anime can probably fix the pacing.
Zel wouldn't be a PC. An NPC you might be lucky enough to land as a teacher if you rolled 20's like a madman, and learn the Second Magic from somehow if you rolled even more 20's.
OP hax shit should be the result of impossible rolls or achieving impossible tasks. A man who pushed back the Red Moon with an "infinite" prana blast is OP. Just putting that out there dude. Nasuverse ain't a nice place, it's almost Call of Cthulhu level of lethality if you happen to be a part of its shadowy underbelly.
First half of the route playing out like a horror story, two pairs of siblings reconnecting as family, and the ideals that shadow brings forth into the war. Plenty of other shit happened before the lat few days, some good character moments, and I'm sure to mention them often enough.
The energy isn't just in the last few days, the energy starts in the first few days when you realize the ritual is going insane here, this isn't supposed to happen, Caster and her impenetrable fortress were broken down with ease, what is that thing? It starts out with a nice mystery story, where they give away the answer far too early if you incidentally had the voice patch at the time.
Now I see why Takeuchi has drawn such long arms over the years. Shirou needs them in that pic to rap his arms around all three of his women. Looks like he could almost touch his knees without bending over there.
He should have done Illya's route. Would have been a lot nicer to see some redemption for her relationship with Shirou. You get a little bit of that at the end of HF, but clearly not enough.
>The energy isn't just in the last few days, the energy starts in the first few days
I still found the first half to be pretty boring. It gave me Tsukihime vibes, just without the compelling setting or tone. Even if something did happen every day (similar to UBW), I didn't find it particularly exciting until the last few days.
Shame that HF had questionable pacing.
The elements that Makiri brought in weren't really bad, Zouken was a very hatable sort of villain, Saber and Shirou had some onset development early on, you got to see more of the cast really interacting in some ways, people underestimate just how powerful the scene is at the end when Shirou says goodbye to the house was as he might not come back(but more than that the ones really saying goodbye there were us, the viewers as it really was the end), Rin sending you a death threat at school because you bailed on her, and seeing another side of Rin and Shirou made them more 3D as a whole. It really wasn't just fights.
>It gave me Tsukihime vibes
That's about spot on in a way, it really was a recreation of a lot of those elements there. Some vampire creature eating people in town, one of the main characters has dreams while thinking she's killing people in her sleep, you don't know the answer as you're left waiting, and inversion impulse similar to Akiha in Kohaku's route.
>Rin sending you a death threat at school because you bailed on her
Oh I will never be able to forget about this. It was glorious. I pretty much enjoyed any scene between Shirou and Rin during the whole VN. It felt like two siblings fighting over superiority to me.
>I pretty much enjoyed any scene between Shirou and Rin during the whole VN. It felt like two siblings fighting over superiority to me.
the way they played off each other was perfect. They were hilarious. Even in a non-romantic sense they were just perfectly amusing.
Their banter back and forth was hilarious. I laughed pretty hard during the scene you posted.
She can be it all.
and yet within a much smaller frame of time Ilya proved herself a more capable ally/bro.
Doesn't even get upset when Shirou blows up on her at the park, just gives him some sage advice about not becoming their father, and she can take a punch without losing her cool.
I never said that Last Episode doesn't make sense. Just that prior to Last Episode there were no implications of the ending implying anything of the sort.
With Last Episode in mind though, it's all easily interpreted as that, but that's really a new addition to the story and something else entirely from how it was initially.
>and yet within a much smaller frame of time Ilya proved herself a more capable ally/bro.
Eh, I'd say both played their parts very well and neither could have had Shirou succeed on their own. Not sure why you're trying to start shit.
My only problem with the ending to HF is at some point Kotomine makes this face and I become unable to take it seriously anymore.
>Responding hours later
That's Fate route
Could of sworn it was HF. I really need to get around to rereading it then, my memories have faded to /a/ threads and reaction images.
>Does this look like the face of mercy to you
>there will never be an anime where Shirou becomes Kamen Rider Archer
Just let me die already
I don't know what kind of face that is. I've never seen the face of mercy so maybe.
Not true. The awkwardness of it being their first times in general aside, they're pretty good.
You should be complaining about TakaJun. I mean, every time I see the word "vomit" I just want to find him and strangle the fuck out of him.
Best type-moon/nasuverse track
Prove me wrong
That will never be more than shit compared to this
>being kissed by a woman you love
One of the best things ever.
I never understood how people could enjoy shit like the crow's remixes. Original EMIYA is best EMIYA.
Yeah, the Shirou/Archer fight was pretty much the crescendo, then they just needed to wrap things up afterwards.
It isn't a mistake.
At times like this it helps to check out some of the newer stuff to compare.
Don't even know if these are some of the good ones, but they are some top results
Why is Lancer such a bro?
Now we just need to wait a few more years for a voice+extra content patch from the Vita release. I got so spoiled having a fully voiced protag, and such a well done one at that. Sugiyama's hotblood 2strong
All the remixes just seem overwrought to me, and too afraid of compromising the song's original flavor. If you're going to remix the song with new instruments, then actually use the instruments to transform the song.
>No we didn't. That was actually just speculation for years until EXTRA came out.
Not true, in one of the scenes with Rin dreaming it's laid out pretty clearly.
You enjoyed Fate's finale?
Knowing now that the vita release is going to have voices, I almost have convinced myself that it would be worth the wait for someone to put together a voice patch. I can't image reading Fate without it at this point.
He's halfway there!
I read it for the first time this summer. Asso did a few Tsukihime routes.
He was pretty satisfied with his life.
So where do I get anal sex with Tohsaka?
You don't. Shirou gets a dream where he thinks he does.
This. I think he only became cynical and hated everything after he became a Counter Guardian and started murdering a lot more.
Archer... Archer had a hard life...
Thanks for finally translating that, I've been waiting for months!
But now that I understand it, it's pretty much NTR...
>not this bdsm metrosexual shit.
Considering Shirou's personality and his psychological baggage, it wouldn't be remotely surprising for him to be a masochist.
>implying Rin didn't dom him at magic school
Even at the end she still pretty much admits that she likes Archer more; she says she likes Shirou as well, but he's not there yet.
I don't really think Rin has it in her to dom Shirou. Once she goes dere, she'll be putty in Shirou's hands for the rest of their lives.
>having Shirou cosplay as Kotomine
Rin a naughty girl to have fantasies like that about her mentor and daddy's killer
I want dat. I also wish I had someone to play the NGE tabletop with
>edgity edge edgy edge
You're doing it wrong.
I feel that UBW vs Gate of Babylon was left so half-done because Nasu wanted to move onto HF. I really like the scene, but wish it had been done a bit... more into detail.
Like, why did Shirou choose to rush into melee with a Servant even though UBW should give him telekinesis over his swords? I'm guessing it was because he knew he had less experience with swordspam than Gil. He'd only done it twice before and neither time was inside UBW.
It was his first time using his reality marble and Gil had showed his prowess with his GoB against Berserker, he knew he couldn't match him at range where Gil could keep his cool and win with experience.
Also, a bit more detail into how Shirou could beat a physically superior opponent who has been shown to be skilled enough to engage and potentially beat Saber in melee. This is guesswork on my part again, but I think it has to do with UBW and how Shirou can analyze the swords instantly.
Rather than just write "I reel in the exact same sword and crash it with all my strength against his.", Nasu should have written it out like in Fate. "He pulls out a longsword that will create ice with every swing, I reel in the same and nullify his ice with mine. He tries to catch me off guard with an invisible blade, but I know its' length and shape and block it. He swings a scythe sword with no physical blade; it will cut through and damage the internal parts making blocking useless. I dodge and aim my blow at the crossguard/hilt/weakpoint and shatter it."
And then more about how Shirou would have to use his superior skill with blades to work around Gil's much much higher strength. How he kept analyzing Gil's every move to keep him from doing something like pulling out a shield or his armor or something that UBW wouldn't be able to deal with.
Honestly, for a scene where danmaku spam and awesome swordfighting should have been to be had, the climax scene really is lackluster.
Yeah I was kinda iffy about it. Then in the last thread when I'd finished it it was too big... So I kind of forgot about it.
THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON
UWB blew it is load with Archer vs Shirou, everything after that was pretty boring.
>Rather than just write "I reel in the exact same sword and crash it with all my strength against his.", Nasu should have written it out like in Fate. "He pulls out a longsword that will create ice with every swing, I reel in the same and nullify his ice with mine. He tries to catch me off guard with an invisible blade, but I know its' length and shape and block it. He swings a scythe sword with no physical blade; it will cut through and damage the internal parts making blocking useless. I dodge and aim my blow at the crossguard/hilt/weakpoint and shatter it."
Gilgamesh couldn't pull out anything while UBW was up since Shirou kept retaliating faster since the blades in UBW were already there and out so naturally when firing they were already there to counter anything Gil tried to shoot in that moment. Thus Gil was stuck using only one sword as anything he tried firing would break before he could grab it, which is why that tactic is invalid. Gil in a panic tried pulling out a Ea at one point, but the result is obvious if he can't even shoot something off, meaning any opening like that is fatal.
They can't be trading blows between swords because Shirou sealed Gil's ability to draw or fire anything, since UBW while the marble is up will always be faster on the draw since the sword is already there.
Solidarity. Besides I still have tsukihime to finish, and the sequel and Mahoyo. And The KnK book is translated. Lots of stuff to bide the time with.
Bullshit, she straight up says in Fate that the reason she turned down Shinji when he asked her out years ago is because she only likes it when she initiates things. Not to mention the first Fate H-scene.
She's weak when someone takes the offensive against her, as noted during the picnic scene in UBW, and Ataraxia.
>Thus Gil was stuck using only one sword
Nah, Gil kept pulling out swords in melee and they kept on being broken.
Shirou was winning an instant with every blade.
Huh? In UBW she asks Shirou if she can clean something off his mouth mischievously and he shirks away.
He's not at Archer's level of confidence yet, even if Archer's also a bit soft as well.
I honestly don't remember Shinji asking her out years ago. He asks her out during the second day. She turns him down because he's an idiot and thinks nothing of him.
I doubt she even saw the first fate scene as sex. It was a traditional act of a magus in order to save all their asses from berserker, a prana transfer, which is obvious considering how different she acts later when she actually does have sex with Shirou in her own route.
Rin and Shirou are both the "high offensive, low defensive" types.
Whoever has the initiative, wins.
This is the best type-moon thread in a while. I should have been in bed an hour ago.
She tells Shirou about it after beating up Shinji and then realizes that must be why he hates her. She also made a comment during the first scene about not realizing that she swung that way, to back up a previous comment about even her finding Saber cute.
I actually have the translation files and searched them:
Shinji is very conscious of Tohsaka under normal circumstances, so this is like pouring oil onto a fire.
Line 154: I understand why Shinji only saw Tohsaka as the enemy, and why he kept asking her to cooperate with him.[l][r]
Line 164: It's because Tohsaka Rin is important to Matou Shinji.
Line 168: "It's not strange at all. I think you're a special person for Shinji.[l][r]
Line 188: "...Oh, I remember. Come to think of it, Shinji asked me out when I was a first year."[l][r]
Line 191: ...I'll sympathize with Shinji, just for now.
Line 339: ...Hmm. She's not the kind to drag that thing about Shinji out this long, so maybe something has irritated her.
>This will never be animated
>it will be sacrificed for muh saibeh waifu-faggotry
Well, yeah. That is the scene I was referring too, but that anon said it happen two years prior. She doesn't hit him on the second day, so maybe there are two instances.
I don't remember that, so I'll take your word for it, but it doesn't change the different reactions she shows for the two different scenes. She obviously placed a lot more importance on the individual scene with Shirou, at least from a romantic standpoint.
Ah, glad I updated before posting. Having not read the novel for 3 or 4 years now, I'm forgetting things I guess. Time for a reread, maybe.
>tfw it does get animated
>Sugiyama will never voice a super robot pilot
Maybe he will. I hope that day comes soon. His voice isn't deep enough for a Go Nagai mecha though.
Yeah, file says seventh days. Of course both scenes were by necessity of mana transfer.
Nvm, there are two instance, she didn't hit him after she asked him out on the second day, she hit him as a direct consequence of him asking her to betray Shirou, indirectly all of this conflict is caused by her turning him down as a first year.
Personally, I found the endings of both to be asspully. Fate was like "I already pulled the sheath out of my body for Saber, but looky fucking here I can do another one like it's nothing!" and UBW was like "Rin's about to get fucked by tentacles and Shirou is about to get pulled into the void with Gil, better rise from the dead with all this magical energy I have and save both of them like it's nothing!" It felt so forced to me.
Not that they routes were bad, but it felt a little disappointing.
>Going normal route despite Shirou strongly hinting to you during the fight "I can't save her unless I survive, it's not enough unless I see her again".
>Fate was like "I already pulled the sheath out of my body for Saber, but looky fucking here I can do another one like it's nothing!"
>mfw the only things I actually liked about HF were this, NLBW, and the 'good' bad ends
>mfw that's enough for me to say its the best route
Did you miss the rest of Fate where Shirou had been projecting things? What about the part where Avalon had been in his body most of his life and he knew to replicate it?
Archer saved Rin and Shinji in UBW, not Shirou.
>Archer saved Rin and Shinji in UBW
You know, now that I really look back at it Rin was pretty goddamn useless.
Her shining moment relied on the infinite ambient mana and Shirou's projected dagger, and her second greatest achievement was taking a whopping one life from Berserker.
Mind if I ask why?
Sparks Liner High isn't a bad end. Mind of Steel still is kind of awesome, despite being a horrific end.
>Ilya commenting about him crying
Bitches just don't understand CONVICTION.
Last Episode, but you're better off just looking at it on Youtube. It's only included if you have the Realtua Nua patch anyway
I don't really care about ending, it was just the first result that came up for my search. I do think that Nasu handled the True End epilogue pretty poorly.
Doesn't that just...get added somewhere?
I don't recall skipping through a route for it.
Not really, she's more in a support role, making things possible in the first place. She even has that "I can handle the second and third most important things just fine, but always mess up on the most important thing." admission.
Also, I would hardly call beating the shit out of Caster and saving Shirou's bacon half a dozen times "being useless".
I'm not entirely sure. I just looked it up since my copy of Fate only has the voices from Realta Nua applied, it's missing the CGs and LE. It's definitely set a long time after Fate route has ended though
>Sparks Liner High isn't a bad end
>Shirou being a vegetable to eventually be killed once Saber regenerates
>Rin will eventually fail
>Angry Manjew will force the counter guardians to destroy a large chunk of Japan
Boy, we sure have different opinions on good and bad.
To be fair, killing Herc even one time is pretty incredible. God Hand is just stupidly OP.
>Handling this scene and the rest poorly
It's all worth it for a few moments, and it's generally upbeat. But the final sacrifice really drives it home, and sacrificing yourself despite knowing Sakura will be a wreak without you is kind of like picking MoS despite Ilya telling you "That's kind of stupid" for like five minutes beforehand even if she's coy about it.
Even Sakura has a better showing; for killing Zouken, Shinji, Kotomine, True Assassin, and Gilgamesh.
Saber fought a lot of shit, and Ilya will literally die to save you while using sorcery. Rin oddly enough has the worst showing here.
Wait, Ilya's older than Shirou?
Hasn't played HF yet.
Don't crucify me and use my body as a container for the Holy Grail.
But Mighty Wind though.
On a semi-related note, I was hyped as fuck that this was in Fate/Unlimited Codes.
That wasn't quite Sakura's doing though. The thing is human's aren't meant to be able to kill servants so being able to "kill" Herc even once is a fair effort.
Sakura's thrashing brings down the entire cavern, everyone dies and AM never breaks out.
Also, literally, not a bad end.
Humans aren't meant to be able to hold Heroic Spirit souls which are worth hundreds of thousands of normal souls while still retaining their sanity at all, so I'd say it took some fair effort on her part as well.
I never specified who saved who. I know Archer saved the both of them, and that's the point.
And of course he was projecting things all the route, but it felt forced in the way that it implied that he didn't have it in him anymore so he couldn't create another one, and he was being incredibly overwhelmed by the Grail's muddy energy, yet he managed to just make one like that under those conditions.
He made one while half-dead against Gil instinctively a few nights ago, I have no idea what you're complaining about.
To be fair, the entirety of Archer's appearances after Caster dies are 'look how weak he is' followed up by him creating over a thousand blades.
One has to keep in mind he's Shirou. His Origin should really be "getting up and getting shit done when despite not being in the condition to be getting any shit done".
it will get animated
there is a 2014 Fate project that is going to start airing this fall season, by ufotable
there's only one arc left to do