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The ending wasn't as miserable as I thought it would be.

Sure, a bunch of bad shit happened and Aiko died but all in all things seem to have ended pretty well. Could have been a lot worse at least.
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>>101858034
It all happens again, maybe twice. The girl in the school is just like Aiko and the uncle's son has God Himself in his eye.
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Aiko had by far the worst life of all the characters.

Asano probably hates her because he will never be like her no matter how hard he transvestite.
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It could have been worse, but it also could have been better.
I'm not even sure if it satifisfied or betrayed my expectations.

The "message" if there's any in a story like Punpun's, that even though you're fucked up, it's okay to learn to achieve your own idea of happiness is pretty hopeful. But then you also have characters like Aiko whose only crime was to have been born in a shitty family and that life fucked over for no good reason from the reader's perspective. So yeah, I'm ranting but I have mixed feelings (leaning towards positive) with this ending.
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I'm still fucking crying over punpuns dream
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>>101858948
>It could have been worse, but it also could have been better.
Of course it could have been better, but given how damn cynical the story was all the way through I don't think anyone was expecting things to end well.

And I guess they didn't really, but at least we got a nice "but life goes on and babies are born and eventually you might find happiness" -feeling out of it. I'm glad the author didn't try to sugar coat anything when it came to Aiko. It's saddening but people like her really exists. Life's pretty fucked up sometimes.
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>>101858948
>But then you also have characters like Aiko whose only crime was to have been born in a shitty family and that life fucked over for no good reason from the reader's perspective.

Yeah that left my with a bitter feeling.
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Why didn't you protect her smile, /a/?
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Who was god?

I mean I know who he was in the story. But who was used as the face? A famous person? The author's friend?
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>>101859349
It's saddening people like her exist and get the exact same treatment she did.
I'm not hating on punpun here, even though he's not exactly my favorite character.
Just that I'd act differently, starting from when she met punpun at his place.
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>>101859742

Cuz my stupid mom 'fell' off the hospital balcony.
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Practically shit my pants.
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AIKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>101860013
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>>101858323
but who or what was God supposed to be? cynicism? schizophrenia?
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>>101860211
The author himself. That sadistic bastard.

He's like Drosselmeyer from Princess Tutu.
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>>101860211

God was him. :)
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Came for the silly surrealism. Stayed for the realistic drama.

Great stuff.
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Aiko didn't do anything wrong
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>>101860468

Yes she did. She hung herself instead of just telling the police the truth and living happily ever af... af... ;____;
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Still don't know if I should even read this, considering I'm currently going through severe depression that goes on and off every day and then. I feel like I could break down at any given moment if I don't tell myself to keep struggling.

It's a fucking phase isn't it? I want to believe it is, so that I know it'll be over soon. I can't stand being so emotionally weak, when in the past I've told myself I'm emotionally strong and don't need the company of others. It's like I don't even know myself anymore. Sorry for the blog post
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>>101860643
>implying she could live a happy life with a psychopath like Punpun. She sacrificed herself so he could live on his miserable life
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It was so booooooooooooooooring

>The end of the world! be excited!
>nothing happens
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>>101860844

You didn't actually think the world was gonna end, did you?
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>>101860882
Well no of course but from that to nothing at all happening
What was the point of the vibrator guy
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>>101860776
No, you shouldn't read this if you're depressed.

Try Neon Genesis Evangelion, it'll cheer you up. It has awesome robot fights and a cute tsundere girl. A lot of fun to be had.
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>>101860776

Yeah it's just a phase.

A phase that lasts 40-50 years or however long until you die.

Punpun is babbies first existential crisis.
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>>101860776
you definitely shouldnt read it then

it made me pretty depressed because i could relate so much with the main character at some points
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>>101860776
How old are you
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>>101861068
You are also mentally retarded?
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>>101861131
He's also incapable of standing for himself and getting shit done.
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>>101861131
Well duh, we're in 4chan.
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>>101860211
He was just talking to himself.
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>Implying it wasn't a total bad end.

Girl he loved since school hangs herself.
He's stuck doing a job he only does out of convenience.
Manga girl decided to keep the ex-husband's baby. (He gets to fuck her raw, but not PunPun.)
He's still neurotic as fuck and a total pushover.

I mean, I guess he didn't go to prison.
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>>101860987
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or what, but Evangelion seriously is pretty uplifting for a depressed person.
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Thanks for reminding me to finish this, I read the first 5 volumes but haven't read it in a couple weeks.
I'll leave and not read anything here.
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>>101860211
He was probably just the devil on your shoulder.

The dude telling you do to asshole shit.

Also how come is Punpun and his family are depicted as birds? I stopped caring because I got that sucked into the story, but was it because that's how Punpun saw the world?
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>>101861538
>no matter what, i'll never be as pathetic ans Shinji
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>>101861677

Probably just to contrast how fucking awful the world is.
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>>101861677
I thought it was a way to describe Punpun's emotional state, let him stand out more and make the reader relate to him better. You can't help but feel empathy for that innocent little bird thing.
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>>101861677
>>101861735
>>101861863
Its just Punpun talking to himself for fucks sake.
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>>101861538
Because in the last 2 minutes Shinji finally goes "I guess life is worth living after all"?

The overall message may be positive, but it's still pretty hard to watch. EoE especially.
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>>101862077
those last two are in response to why he's a stylized bird you idiot
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>>101862077
It's extremely obviously the devil on the shoulder thing. Which basically is talking to yourself...

I will never understand why people on /a/ get mad about people looking into something beyond surface value. Especially people like you say the exact same thing and don't even realize it.
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Just got around to reading the last two volumes. Not sure how I feel about it.
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>>101862077
We're talking about the bird things, not the God-face-man-thing.
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>>101862225

Seriously, whose face is that?
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>>101862222
if i pull that off, will you die?
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>>101862437
It would be extremely painful.
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>>101862437

It would be very painful
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>>101862498

>That entire chapter.

The face he makes when she comes to his house and he fakes having a cold, oh man.
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I think Asano was planning to make a full comedy manga, and somehow in his tranny way he tried to add drama.
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>>101862633
When is *her* tranny manga coming out anyway?
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>>101862523
>>101862498
Anata wa okina otokodearu
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Biggest bitch in history.
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>>101862713
Anata no tame ni
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>>101862764
NO U
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>>101862764
She was ok.
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The author is a tranny?

...Pics?
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>>101862764
She's alright. It's hard competing with Aiko.

>>101863013
He looks normal, he just said once he'd like to be a woman or something.
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>>101861863

I GUESS WE'LL HAVE A TEST FIRST PERIOD!
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>>101860776
I was diagnosed with clinical depression 2 years ago.

I read it after the diagnosis

sure its pretty bad, but not like it can get much worse anyways.

go ahead and read it, the story is great, and the "art" is really nice.

and to the people arguing over who "god" is, i thought it was pretty much agreed upon that he is the representations of Punpuns Freudian id
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>>101863226

Why did you put art in quotations?

Also oh man would I ever buy a shirt with God's face on it.
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>>101863164
With this final volume you start to think that professor didn't actually went full retard when Punpun said he forgot his homework.
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>>101863257
because alot of it is just photos with a filter applied to them.

And you CAN buy a tshirt with gods face on it, i actually got one in navy blue. you can get em from perplexi tees, its run but an /a/non.
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>>101863372
The backgrounds are mostly filters, but I like the way he draws people as well. The two work great together.

I still don't understand why punpun looked like >>101862840 for a while. Could someone elaborate?

And overall I liked the ending. I expected an ending with more morals in it, but this works as well. You know, such is life.
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>>101863372

Perplexi needs a search bar.
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>>101863372

How's the shirt quality? I've had some pretty abysmal online shirts.
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>>101858034
Punpun is a complete dumb asshole.

How did he avoid the jail ?
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>>101862764
wut
She literally did anything she could to help Punpun.
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>>101864247
>How did he avoid the jail ?
I figured he went to jail and got into probation later. Sachi's child was already like 3 years old at the end if I remember correctly.
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>>101863791
It's just Punpun shutting himself off from the rest of the world to avoid breaking. Doesn't open up to other people so they can't hurt him, can't get any better but he also can't get any worse.
The only reference to it was this page, I think.
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>>101864321
She was litterally too good for punpun yes.

But did she continue to help him after having know the "case" ?
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>>101864247
The worst things he did were stab a woman in self-defense and help a dying abused girl evade capture.
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>>101863791
>I still don't understand why punpun looked like >>101862840
He was just putting barriers around himself. He was locked inside that facade to protect himself of the contact with others.
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>>101864247

He didn't commit a crime.
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>>101864466
Well, I guess she did.
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>>101864474
>>101864519
He killed a crippled woman, buried the body, stole the victim's car and the person he was with was later found dead.

WE know the circumstances but it certainly doesn't look good on the outside.
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>>101864408
Oh gosh, yes, I didn't remember she decided to keep the baby...
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>>101864037
its actually quite alright, i washed it a few tmes in 70 to 90 degrees temperature and it hasnt worn off. As you would expect from all graphic tees, there appeared tiny spots in the face, but all in all iam quite happy with it.

>>101863791
agreed, i am not saying his art is bad, i personally love it, all aspects of it, but alot of people seem to not like calling it art since its filters. Pic related is probably my favourite picture from the series.

and i think i remember people saying that he was a pyramid/triangle at that point in time because its the most stable shape, showing that he locked himself away from everyone into his small stable world
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>>101860776
>>101860987
>>101861538
>>101862100
Evangelion is quite seriously, the most uplifting television show I've ever seen. The journey is hard as fuck, but in the end it makes you feel like a better person. The show actually motivated me to fix my life. To this day I'm glad I saw it, because I don't know what would have happened to my life otherwise.
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>>101864644
He didn't kill her. Aiko did. There was a lot of evidence laying around the crime scene and the autopsy would support it. The fact that she wasn't actually crippled would probably lend a lot of credit to Punpun's explanation either way.
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>>101864426
>>101864494
>>101864694
Thank you very much for clearing that up. It makes a lot of sense now.

>>101864247
Like >>101864408 said, probation. I assume they took the circumstances into account and went easy on him.

And I feel sorry for Aiko. I liked >>101862764 over her, but she did have it rough.
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>>101864797
>Punpun
>explaining anything
He'd just go with the flow again and get canned.
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>>101864817
Punpun was completely broken in both mind and body at that point. He might have just answered honestly out of sheer, numb apathy.
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>>101865015
But going all like "she was flailing the knife around so I jumped at her, knocked it out of her hand and started choking her until she stopped moving" isn't going to make him look any good, stab wounds or not.
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>>101865088

She stabbed him with a pair of scissors as well. Though that was while he was choking her.
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>>101865088
She also stabbed the shit out of Aiko.
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at a point, this manga just turns into "how many things can fuck up in a dude's life?"
it got pretty fucking intense, especially when pun pun went beating up the dude at the gas station mode.

i liked it though, the last panel with punpun going back to himself was worth it
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>>101865489
Yes she did, but it still doesn't make him look too good.
That he decided to steal the car and run away also isn't working in his favor. Can't really remember if they disposed of the body though.
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>>101865088
She wasn't just flailing the knife around. She was actively stabbing Aiko and trying to stab Punpun. She even left a huge knife gash in the door when she tried to kill him.

I don't think they'd have a hard time letting him off with self-defense given the circumstances. It's all of the shit he did after that got him in trouble.
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>Kindly old landlord gets tackled by the fucking clerk and ends up paralyzed.
>The fucking bitch who accused him of shoplifting runs off.

Never been so mad while reading a manga.
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>>101865790
Depends what counts as self-defense in nippon.
Because there actually are countries out there in which breaking someone's arm to disarm him is exceeding self-defense, for example.
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>>101865942
Pegasus broke her nose later, at least.
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>>101865996
Damn, didn't realize that.
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>>101865532
I like how the dude he beat up was literally Asano Inio himself.
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>>101865983
>If your act is legally acknowledged as a justifiable defense, you will not be arrested. A justifiable defense can be classified as an act unavoidably performed to protect your rights against imminent and unlawful infringement. It all depends, but a witness can be the best proof that the act was one of defense. Even if you have no personal or physical evidence, the circumstances can prove that it was an act of defense; for example, the police or the court may assume that it was an act of defense if you harmed a stranger in your own house.
It sounds like Japanese self-defense law isn't all that different than ours.
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>>101866380
His witness hung herself and they killed the woman in her own home.
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I figured the reason Punpun got off fine was because nobody realized he was even part of it.
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>>101865532
The dude at the gas station was supposed to be himself, since they were wearing the same clothes and several shots made it look like he had a black head from behind.
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>>101866618
The cops interrogated him. They knew.
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>>101866618
He was seen at the crime scene.
He was also seen with a dead body, who happened to be the victim's daughter.

Pretty sure they realized he was somehow involved.
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I'm crying so fucking hard
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I was kind of hoping that Sachi's child would be a bird and therefore mean it was Punpun's all along ;_;
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So, who child was it with nanjo?
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>>101869962
Sorry for asking bluntly.. I mean.. was there even a reference where it was stated it wasn't Punpun's?? I thought it was Punpun's child all along and Nanjo did once say about Punpun taking responsibility..
Did I miss something? Because people here seem to believe the child isn't Punpun's.
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I'm glad Seki and Shimizu made it out mostly okay. I was worried since they'd get it pretty bad.

>>101865942
>Never been so mad while reading a manga.
That pissed me off so much.
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>>101870059
>was there even a reference where it was stated it wasn't Punpun's?

I'm fairly sure Sachi herself said it back when it was found out she was pregnant.
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>>101870200
>I'm glad Seki and Shimizu made it out mostly okay.
Shimizu died in a fire and Seki became the exact thing about Shimizu he disliked
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>>101870348
He made it out alive. Shut up.
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>>101858948
>only crime was to have been born in a shitty family and that life fucked over for no good reason
Just like in real life. It sucks but it's the truth.
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>>101870414
sure he did seki

sure he did
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>>101860824
Bullshit. Aiko was as much of a coward or worse than Punpun.
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>>101870414
>Shimizu was in Punpunia with the ones who died
>Shimizu's family wasn't waiting for him when he's seen leaving the hospital
>only Seki interacts with Shimizu
>makes an excuse about why he couldn't show up for the class reunion.
Seki went bananas.
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>>101870506
Good. Glad we got that sorted.
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>>101858948
I don't think Pun Pun had a serious message. The MC doesn't learn anything or become a better person he just grows into an adult and moves on. It's more akin to a fucked up coming of age story than anything.
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>noone will translate his new mango

;_:
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>>101870755
the message is about facing reality instead of running from it

no matter how shitty that reality may be
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>>101870886
Shit, that started already? And nobody is translating it? How the fuck do we get this to happen?
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>>101871002
There aren't any scans, even. Came out like 28 December I think.
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>>101870998
I thought the dude was just crazy rather than an escapist.
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>>101871002
Hox doesn't want to translate it. We are fucked
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>>101871002
i imagine hox will once the volumes start going on sale
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>>101871091
Nope
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the whole part about ending up killing her mother abd then going on the run together felt so lame and unnecessary, like you'd already seen or read that sort of story 10 times before
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>>101871060
you should probably reread it

he goes from writing off/just kind of ignoring obvious domestic abuse and such things as a kid to moving out on his own to skipping around the country immediately after killing someone to planning to himself

everything he ever does is trying to escape
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>>101871148
rip
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>>101871055
>>101871074
>>101871148
Well, time to learn Japanese. I've been dragging my heels on this forever, anyway.
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>>101871222
Wasn't he already disturbed prior to his mother getting KO'd?
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>>101871222
planning to kill himself*
>>101871208
True enough, but you can't say it wasn't fitting for the characters. And it gave Punpun and Aiko the time to slowly resolve things. Which at least wasn't done in too cliche a way, either.
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>>101870739
>>Shimizu's family wasn't waiting for him
Aren't they all dead?

>>makes an excuse about why he couldn't show up for the class reunion.
But he was busy. ;_;
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>>101871378
No. He only started being crazy after Aiko's mom death.
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>>101871612
Yeah but he was seeing that freaky face dude from the beginning.
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>>101871378
Well, from everything shown, my interpretation was that his parents regularly argued before that and he already was kind of blocking that out. If I remember right that's pretty much established.

That one fight is the violent event that really sets off the tension already there.
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>>101871693
He didn't actually see him. it was his imagination. Just like him being a caricature, he didn't really see himself like that.
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>>101871740
Yeah. But to be more exact was his mother in particular what he was always trying to ignore. She had some kind of bipolar disorder or some shit. As she recalls when had cancer, one time even told kindergartener Punpun she would kill him and then suicide since it was partly his fault that her life had to be shitty forever.
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>>101870221
She might have been making it up though. I clearly remember a tissue in between Sachi's legs after she had sex with Punpun, indicated he nutted inside her. She could be just lying so as to not force Punpun to commit to her based on that only. She seemed pretty interested in him being in her life afterwards, also.
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>>101872090
But that was before a one year timeskip. He couldn't even possibly be the father.
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>>101872090
Sachi got pregnant from her ex. She told Punpun they fucked during s time when Punpun didn't want to see her. When she pans to get an abortion asks Punpun if he's going to go with her as a favor but says he doesn't have to do it if he doesn't want since it's not his responsibility. When she talks with her friend they talk about it and she tells Sachi it's not ok to make Punpun compromise with that.
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Bump
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>>101870476
Just because something happens in real life or is "realistic" doesn't mean I want to read about it. Sure, there are Aikos out there, but they're not the characters of a story I got to follow for years, and people for whom I hoped for a better future. It's not like there needs to be a point, but what was the point? Some people have shit lives and you can't do anything about it!

I feel Asano was playing with my emotions until the end of volume 12. I mean some people were STILL hoping for a "good" end for Aiko and not for her to fucking hang herself in the middle of nowhere.
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>>101861282
It's a bad end. but not the kind of tragic bad end where MC gets fucked and it's the end of the world. What makes it a really bad end is that shit happens and then life keeps moving on. And what Punpun thought as the most important thing in life starts fading away from his memories as time passes by. That's the part that really got me the most: nothing is that special, no one is really that imprescindible in your life: even when the worst happens you have to move on and the world will keep continue spinning like if nothing happened. Fuck, just remembering it makes me want to get drunk until I pass out on my bed.
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>>101865996
Oh fuck, that's who gets a nosebleed. Thank you, my day has been made.
Fuck that cunt.
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>>101872577
I personally enjoyed the plot and how Punpun's personality evolves (with some parallelisms with my life at some parts). There's a lot of characters characters with interesting visions of life and that kind of stuff.
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>>101872762
I didn't think about this aspect, fuck you for making things even worse. I guess I'll have a drink as well...
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>>101871091

hox already has a lot of projects that he's currently working on.
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>>101873027

>dat punpun figure
GIMME GIMME

Where did you get it from?
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Would you agree the ending may be summed up as "life goes on"?
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I still really fucking want that t-shirt where it's just Punpun's bird head on a plain white tee, and it stretches from the bottom to above where the chest would be.
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>>101873441

I'm sure you could get it printed yourself if you can find a large enough image.
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>>101873486
I can probably vector his head and increase the res, I'd prefer younger Punpun anyways.
What would also be cool would be a collage all-over print of all of Punpun's faces.
Damn, thank you for the idea, getting excited.
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>>101873578

Tile this over the whole shirt. I'd be great.
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>>101873636
Holy shit, that'd be fucking great. I'd probably lower the contrast and saturation so it doesn't end up too vibrant and visually annoying.
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>>101871397
He has his father and a sister.
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>>101873360
It's just a clay figure I made
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>>101874139

brb buying clay
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>>101874573
Ye me too.
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>>101874573
Don't forget the steel wire for the feet
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>>101870886
Isn't this just a oneshot though?



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