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Schierke is the cutest girl of all time
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>>101828140
dat ass too
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>>101828186
>loli
>ass
you best be joking
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>>101828266
>can't appreciate the ass of a loli

How do you even get out of bed without wanting to kill yourself?
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>>101828266
>not liking delicious loli ass
seriously where in the hell do you think we are?
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>>101828266
Loli or not she does have a pretty nice ass
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>>101828140
relevant
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>>101828140
who's that noble chick again? She got fugly after cutting her hair
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>>101828704
I dunno but she got me pretty hard when she was trying to ride Dragonslayer
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>>101828186
>>101828266
>>101828419
>>101828444
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>>101828757
Farny is hot, faggots
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>>101828140
I want to rub her on her weird place when she has a cold and needs to change her clothes.
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>>101828863
please dont tickle the back of her knee. She sweats from there
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>>101828808
Them dick suckin' lips.
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>>101828757
Best masochist
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Bitches love the Dragon Slayer
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>>101828919
I can only imagine what guts is thinking at this point
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Schierke's got it bad. Maybe even worse than Farnese.
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>>101829182
She's also jealous of Casca, like Farnese, but...
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>>101829386
She seems to have a better handle on it than Farnese did
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Schierke's so cute it's fucking ridiculous

There's no doubt in my mind Miura at least has a semi-lolicon mindset
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MIURA

MASTER OF MOE
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>>101828808
Superior italian genes
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>>101828140
God-tier daughteru.
Probably one loli you don't want to mess with unless you wanna be impaled with something larger than your body
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>its been 7000 years since the last chapter
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>>101828919
Please someone shoop Sweaty Bertl in his place
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Why doesn't miura do doujins on the side? He's really into the industry like tex mex, you'd think he'd be a regular.
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>not wanting to fuck __Guts
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a challenger appears
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>>101830429
>wanting him to have even more distractions from just putting out new chapters
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>>101830522
11/10 body and attitude
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>>101830530
What's keeping him at the moment, anyway?
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>>101830429
Loli doujins.
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I want Schierke to pee on Guts.

>>101830603
Idolm@ster, depression, old age. The usual.
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>>101830603
terminal illness
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>>101830603
I think he's still writing Gigantomakhia.
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How hard can it be to finish Berserk. Fuck.
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I also like Schierke's brother/sister type interactions with Isidro.
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>>101830843
I wanted Isidro to die right then

Nobody bullies my daughteru

Nobody
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So what are your thoughts on loli piss titan adventures?
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>>101830843
>brother/sister
>not future couple
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>>101830843
>scene where Isidro fights for her
>acts like a tsundere

Jesus christ, Berserk has come along way
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>>101830898
Well it ain't my cup of tea, but if it keeps Miura from quitting manga entirely...
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>>101830843
I ship it
Except now there's Isma
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>>101830843

I'd love to see Isidro pull that hat-hating bullshit on Monkey D. Luffy.
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>>101830843
>GUTS! Isidro is poking me!
>I'm practicing my new technique
>SO HELP ME IF YOU TWO DON'T SHUT UP I'LL TURN THIS SHIP AROUND!

They're going to get so jealous when Guts Jr. joins the crew permanently.
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>>101831008
Yeah, Berserk went to shit when Miura introduced that elf comic-relief character.
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>>101831114
Guts Jr.'s dead m8 remember
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>>101830898
I want a lolil to piss on me/10
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>>101830926
That'd be sweet, but Isma is way in the lead to win the Isidro right now. Maybe when Isma dies.
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>>101831114
> Guts we've been on this ship for years
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>>101830603
He works less because it put him in hospital.
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>>101831251
>I'M NOT PULLING OVER FOR DIRECTIONS, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING.
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>>101831251

>Just stop by that island and ask for directions.
>No! The last time we did that I ended up fighting a sea monster!
>Oh my godhand, you're so reluctant!
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>>101831197
wot
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Been waiting months to post this. Thank you /a/.
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>>101830522
>generic moeblob

godammit araki, stop playing idolmaster
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>>101830843
IDIDROBOWL 2014

WHO WILL WIN THE ISIDRO

WHO IS BEST BERSERK

WILL THEY GET OFF THAT FUCKING BOAT
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>>101831319
>Look here comes a passing ship, why don't we ask them if we're close?
>...I don't know. They look a little shifty, that racoon thin with the hat looks REALLY suspicious.
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>>101831285
>>101831319
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Casca is cured

But becomes gay for Farnese
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>>101831434
This is the second time today I saw someone call a mangaka Araki, who is not Araki
Lot of Jojo readers recently or something?
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>>101831281
Where do you guys get this info?
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>>101831571
My Dad works for Miura
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>>101831528
fuck, i need more coffee.
well, by the rate jojolion is going lets hope gappy doesn't get into a boat
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>>101831371
It has just enough fat that it would be nice and supple for you to both grab and squeeze with ease.
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>>101830681
Well there's only 1 chapter left and it's been a while since the last one, so that's probably complete by now, or something.
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>>101831525
>RAPE ATTEMPTS THIS WEEK: [ ]
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>>101831450
It's going to be one hell of a fight. Isidro manning up, givin' them 'gina tingles.
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>>101831625
>she shinny but the ass was fat
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>>101831625
A perfect balance of loli ass
>>101831667
You cheeki breeki.
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>schierke will never fuck and marry guts as miura intended because he's too lazy to finish his series
fuck this shit
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What if the character who spends the most time showing the group around elf island is a little girl elf?
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>>101831701
>ishidoro and schierke are becoming pretty cool characters, i wonder what miura will do with th-
>introduces another loli

fuck you, i hope you really aren't making new chapters because you are ill
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>>101831603

What? It looks like things are finally starting to「roll」.
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>>101831625
>20 pounds of pussy and ass
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>>101831771
>fuck and marry guts as miura intended

implying
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>>101831771
>implying Schierke won't teleport to Japan and meet young Miura
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>>101831788
What if flower elf girl
;_;
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I think every major character introduced from here on out is going to be a little girl of some variation
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I know a lot of people hate these characters and these sort of scenes scenes polluting their serious, grimdark Berserk but dammit I can't help but love it.

Oh fuck me, I posted in the wrong tab.
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>>101831954
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>>101831954

WHAT IF.

GUYS.

WHAT IF, GUYS.

WHAT IF THE NEXT CHARACTER.

THE NEXT CHARACTER... IS A LITTLE SHOTA TRAP?

Oh wait no that's their ghost son. Well shit.
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>>101831172
You mean since volume 1?
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>>101832077
The only new character I don't like is Evarella
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>>101832077
Vagabond's all serious but Inoue can't help get all shonen sometimes
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>>101832111
>WHAT IF.

>GUYS.

>WHAT IF, GUYS.

>WHAT IF
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>>101831641
>>101830681
Look at it this way. Gigantomakhia has been released on a monthly basis. This might also apply to Berserk when he returns to it.
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>>101832245

No.
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>>101832111
And if totally has dingaling flapping around like a barbarian so shotafags got their fill
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>>101832245
by responding with an image like that you're pulling the exact same shit.
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>>101831008
They are still kids, you know.
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>>101830898
So, is the tian powered by loli piss?
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>>101830898
Cool as hell, I dig the wrestling tie-in.
Maybe once he finishes on Berserk he'll expand on this, right now it's feeling too thin.
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>>101832402

It might, actually. We know that her piss has healing properties, so it may be linked to the same power she uses to transform him.
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>>101832381
Oh I know, it's really cute, reminds of my little cousin when she fights some boy she likes and then acts all awkward and shit

Just saying it's come a long way from eternal bad end in every page for every character
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>>101832111
In the next arc Puck is going to reveal that he can take on a human form like Isma does, using his true name because he's an Elf Prince. He'll be all the little shota trap you need.

I also want a scene where he tries to jump up on Guts' shoulder like when he's a pixie and Guts tells him to get the hell off.
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>>101832313
Monthly releases, what a wonderful dream.
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>>101832607
Seagull-kun!
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>>101829182
>round-frame glasses
>calligraphy

HNNNNNNNGH!
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>>101831450
Isidro will be the next Gutts. He's becoming a bit of a badass since the boat
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>>101829182
Got what?
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>>101832775
>Isidro will be the next Gutts
I'd think that's the last thing that should happen to anyone, being Gutts is suffering.
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>>101832680
>Guts has to deal with 3 children
>A retarded waifu
>A crazy bitch stalker
>A jealous brother lusting after his sister
>2 annoying elves

Now you wanna make that 4 kids? Nigga's livin the hard life as it is
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>>101832801
jealousy
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>>101832836
and that is exactly what should happen to isidro
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>>101832851
They irony here is that the kids can do more than the adults-- excluding guts of course
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>>101829832
>semi
i bet he's also only semi into piss
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>>101832680
I wish Miura actually drew Puck. Some of my favorite moments in the series are during the Lost Children part, where Puck was reintroduced. He'd go Chestnut Puck sometimes, but most of the time he was normal. He was still cute and funny, even though he wasn't some deformed chibi blob.

I guess now that Guts has more people to talk to, Puck's been relegated to being an accessory of Isidro's instead of an actual character.
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>>101832836
It's going to happen. It will start with Isma, then the qt witch as soon as she starts to fall for him gutts falls in the final chapter and his only resemblance of a family is gone. He will then begin is crusade which will eventually end in the same way, a continuing cycle of suffering
These entire arcs, all this happy, is just one big setup for suffering. Mark my words
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>>101832919
None of the kids can beat Serpico in a duel.
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>>101832919

>Farnese and Casca were both exceptional warriors.
>Both are now useless idiots.
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>>101832991
Shierke could if she got the advantage. Isma could in the water
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>>101832991
Isidro's got plot armor out the ass so probably a stalemate
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>>101833007
Was Farnese ever really an exceptional warrior

I remember her as a spoiled sadist
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>>101832775
>since the boat
He's been putting points on the man card since Enoch
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>>101833007
Farnese was never a warrior. She would just schlick to suffering people and burnt corpse.
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>>101833138
Farnese was never a sadist. She'd never do such a thing.
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>>101832966
I'm sure he'll be focused on more once they reach Elf Island.
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>>101833167
Man points? yes.
Actual talent worthy of the Gatts crew? Yes
Actual talent? Not till the boat
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>>101833138
no, she wasn't.

and Casca was never better than an average man.
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>>101832966
I remember Puck having the most varied facial expressions early on in the series. I miss those silly faces.
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>>101833138
>>101833174

At least she got some bodies burning. What has she actually done in the past year? What has anyone done in the past year?
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>>101833220
was anyone in hawk that great besides guts? It seemed like griffith was pretty much carrying everyone
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>>101833229
They where the most ridiculous faces
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>>101833138
She is only ever described as an ornamental head. Hell her leadership is mocked multiple times.
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>>101833248
Nothing at all.
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>>101833220
Haha, oh wow.

Casca was #3 warrior in the band, after Griffith and Guts.
>>101833259
Objectively, pretty much everyone in the band was above average.
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>>101833290
>...bleating she-goat mocked even by her own men
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>>101833259
The Raiders where great, as where the leaders like the fat guy, the blonde ponytail guy, Casca, etc.
I mean they had relatively few casualties and won against armies 10x their size. They where stacked, especially the raiders
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>>101833301
casca's stupid fucking face gets me every time i see that
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>>101833337
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>>101833352
>dude I'm so fucking high right now
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>>101833138
>>101833174
Yeah, Farnese could never fight worth shit. MOST of the Holy Iron Chain Knights weren't very good in a fight. It was mostly made up of the second sons of nobles and well to do aristocrats.

Farnese had Azan and Serpico to play the heavy when necessary, everyone else ranged from decent to mediocre and she was the weakest of the whole bunch. Just a figurehead.
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>>101833301
Is this an actual thing? Please tell me it's not. I don't want an older Gatts
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>>101833352
>we want the Call of Duty audience
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Theresia is going to kill Guts in the end.
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>>101832991
Too bad one on one duels are practically useless.
>>101833007
Farnese was never an exceptional warrior. She led that group of knights because of a custom that needed a female leader, and because of her dad.
Farnese is a useless fighter.
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>>101833383
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>>101833458
Fucking cunt. Dad is a demon willing to sacrifice you and you hate your savior
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>>101833458
>dem thighs
>dat nightgown

10 years later, and I'm still impressed. That shit carried me through middle school.
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>>101833427
Nah If I'm remembering right Miura did it for kicks as part of a promotional re-release of some version of the manga.

I have it saved so I can look at it 20 years from when I saved it and laugh really hard... then cry even harder.

Who knows maybe Miura will surprise me and suddenly start getting chapters out at a decent pace.. maybe guys... maybe...

..ellipses...
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>>101833530
>Willing to sacrifice you
Did you read that? Her dad was actually a very relateable and tragic character
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>>101833530
You say that just because she's a woman.

Remember that before Guts came, she was still living a "normal" life with her dad, which she didn't know was a demon.

And on top of that, he wasn't even gonna sacrifice her. He had his chance, but didn't do it.
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>>101833530
except he didn't sacrifice her
he was about to, but he backed out and got swallowed up by the vortex of damned souls
about the closest thing to decent he ever did

>>101833565
I wonder how old she'd be in the story now?
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>>101833220
Wrong. Casca was a VERY skilled swordsman. Pit against Judeau, Corkus or Pippin she would emerge the victor in a duel. Against an average male soldier or mercenary she'd mop the floor with them effortlessly.

>>101833259
The Band of the Hawk was a rag tag group, but its soldiers were mostly above average fighters and their leadership and tactics made them phenomenal. They scored high in all areas.

>>101833337
This guy remembers!
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>>101833598
And to clarify, the reason he went to hell was cause he refused to sacrifice her. He went to a life of eternal pain and suffering, turning away imortality, for the sake of keeping his daughter alive and safe. That was likely one of the darkest chapters
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>>101833598
This, majority of my built up hatred I had for the count vanished when I learned about his backstory, that shit eating grin his wife gives him knowing she still has the power to manipulate him made me rage with the red hot passion of a few thousand suns.
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>>101833671
except for a couple days every month
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>>101833688
It was a surprisingly well written and thought out twist. I really felt for the guy
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>>101833677
Why's Berserk's universe so grimdark, again?
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>>101833650
It's probably been a few years, so maybe around Shierke's ag-

Jesus christ, I just realized Guts is building himself a loli harem
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>>101833824
It's not anymore. It's actually really bright since they grouped up, but like I said earlier, I'm pretty sure it's just preparing for a worse fall than before
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>>101833458
I haven't caught up with Berserk in years, but it always stuck out to me that she, Guts, and Puck were the only named characters to survive the first three volumes, and she hasn't shown up again.
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>>101833726
No, even then she's above average.
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>>101833827
>The Blacksmith's 'kid'
Dear lord they are everywhere
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>>101833941
Rickert called dibs on her
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>>101833726
Unfortunately Midol didn't exist back then. Hell, she didn't even have access to basic ibuprofen or naproxen. She just had to man the fuck up and ride them cramps out while traveling on horseback and fighting grown men.

Of course no one gives a shit if you're sick on the battlefield, but I don't envy her situation.
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>>101833941
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>>101834045
You know, they've lived alone together for a while. They've probably "experimented" a lot already.
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>>101834045
>Implying Rickert doesn't lose his fucking mind when he sees Gryfith and gets himself killed
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>>101834082
You underestimate the power of the loli
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>>101834121
The loli is his only hope.
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>>101834070
That bottom panel reminds me of femto every time. Fucking Miura.
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>>101834070
>Guts vs. Griffith
>everyone else is busy fighting
>battle is going bad for Guts
>about to get skewered by Griffith
>AND THEN OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE JILL CHOPS GRIFFITHS HEAD OFF

ROMA VICTORYYYYYYYYYYY
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>>101834070
I don't remember this girl.
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>>101834206
>femto
His dick wasn't so femto, uh, Caska?
forgive me padre
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>>101834337
Jill from the Lost Children chapter/arc she was friends with the Moth/Elf Apostle.
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>>101834337
The girl who was, uh, friends with the other lesbian girl. The one that turned into a monster.
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>>101834082
I'm more expecting him to take up Griffith's earlier offer and rejoin the Band of the Hawk. Whether he'll be a double agent or earnestly follow Griffith again is another question, though. I'd flip my shit if he wound up sacrificing Erica and became a Neo-Hawk Apostle captain.
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>>101834396
>>101834404
Ah, yes. I remember her now. Was Rosine actually a lesbian, though?
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>>101831114
>SO HELP ME IF YOU TWO DON'T SHUT UP I'LL TURN THIS SHIP AROUND!


ANYTHING BUT THAT!
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>>101834406
Wow that actually sounds fucking evil. Why would you even think of that?
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>>101834406
As lesbian as Griffith is gay
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>>101834495
Was for >>101834444

Nice quads, by the way.
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>>101834406
Could you imagine if Rickert became a full member of the Neo Hawks and Guts had to kill him? Can you imagine the betrayal? The suffering of having to kill one the last of your old comrades?

It would be glorious.

This scene foreshadows it a tiny bit, and now with Rickert heading right into Griffith's hands. Mmm...I can almost taste the agony to come.
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>>101834406
He won't sacrifice her, but he might side with Griffith
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>>101834495
>>101834537
So she's straight, then.
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>>101831285
>>101831319
>>101831462
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>>101834557
It's just girl love yo
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>>101834603
AKA the purest form of love
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>>101828775
This is inevitably going to be used by /v/ermin to "prove" that /a/ doesn't discuss "real" manga but only discusses "moe".
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>>101834444
I'm not sure, I think she was just weirdly possessive of what was pretty much one of her last ties to her old life and her time spent as an Apostle had kind of done away with her sense of human boundaries/etiquette.
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>>101834620
Trust me, you wouldn't say that if you were a girl.
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>>101829182
Where in the unholy name of god did you get those scans? Please tell me.
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>>101834661
What, it's hard to be a cute girl that loves other cute girls?
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>tfw you realize that Serpico probably could have demolished Golden Age Griffith.
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>>101834721
Not necessarily, but there's nothing "pure" about it.
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>>101832077
Don't worry, Miura will being back edgy shit after it goes the JRPG route, after we get off the boat, obviously.
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>>101834742
No shit.
He's basically the second most skilled human we've seen so far.
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>>101834444
No quads, she was not. Rosine even said Guts was super hunky and she can understand why Jill got the tingles down there for him.

She was super possessive of Jill in the same way a girl might be possessive of her favorite doll. It wasn't romantic, it just reminded her of the innocence of her youth. Jill represented the last shred of humanity left in her the way Theresia did for the Count.

Looking for page...found page.

You are now imagining bad end where Rosine domesticates Guts and keeps him around to teach Jill about the birds and the fairies.
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>>101834742
With magic yeah, without magic, nope
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>>101834785
He's probably a better swordsman than Guts. It's just that he can't even compare to him on a physical level.
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>>101834825
>without magic, nope
Griffith was completely outclassed by Guts even before he spent a year training in the forest.
Serpico is fast enough to trade blows with Guts after he spent 4 years hunting apostles.
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>>101834742
>could have
Hold that thought for about a decade or so because Serpico is actually going to be the one who's going to demolish Griffith's Millennium Arc. You'll see. Maybe not on a one on one but more on a grand scale.

He'll be the general of an army of merc that will destroy Griffith's dream.
Why else would he be foreshadowed to be a tactician on Griffith's level?

Griffith could do some insane bullshit with his faggot sword but Serpico seems to be the one with better reflex. Might be a draw, no clue.
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>>101834751
Yeah, right.
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>>101834958
>Griffith was completely outclassed by Guts even before he spent a year training in the forest.
That's bullshit. Griffith was never outclassed by Guts. Guts just got lucky that Griffith's sword broke, that's all. Golden Age Griffith could beat Guts and Serpico (without magic) as long as he fights seriously.
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>>101834846
His skill with a sword isn't that far above Guts, if it's above Guts' level at all. Their styles are vastly different so it's difficult to compare. What Serpico relies on isn't just swordsmanship, but also an incredibly agile and tactical mind. He's a lot like Griffith in that way, but nowhere near Griffith's level on that front.
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>>101834958
Griffith confronted Guts face to face, Serpico used cheap tactics
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>>101834542

>Those award-winning dick sucking lips
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>>101834785
>Serpico is probably the only guy (human, at least) to actually dodge a swing from Guts
>mfw his eyes open when he jumps over the dragonslayer
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>>101834082
You're close to the truth but far off.
See, Rickert is, in the Berserk universe, a special oriented person. His skills in blacksmiths are above human level while still being human, so he'll be needed for the final fight against Griffith.

What's going to happen is that Rickert is going to lose his fucking mind when he finds out that Erika was ''sacrificed''
There's no way Erika isn't going to die in the near future.
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Can anyone explain Gutts' behavior post-eclipse?
I'm talking about the first few volumes; before the Golden Age arc, where his behavior is different from later volumes detailing post-eclipse.
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>>101835059
>cheap
Griffith would have done the same thing in his position, and probably would have done it better and won. He's all about taking advantage of every aspect of the terrain, his opponent's strengths and weaknesses, anything and everything.

The main reason he lost so badly to Guts is because he wasn't fighting with a clear head. He was going full yandere at the time and wasn't thinking straight. Not that Guts had no chance otherwise, but the situation wasn't in Griffith's favor.

And yes, Griffith would demolish Tower of Conviction Serpico, who I'd compare more to Silat's level.
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>>101835059
>Serpico used cheap tactics
All is fair in combat.

Serpico is both Guts and Griffith.
He has Griffith's skill but doesn't think lowly of himself to use cheap tactics to win, like Guts.
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>>101835205
It was like a prototype Guts. Miura just decided to change him later. It's as simple as that.
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>>101835027
>Guts just got lucky that Griffith's sword broke
No.
Griffith basically acknowledged that if he couldn't take him out at the first exchange, he was done.
He tried to deflect the blade, but Guts was just too strong.
>>101835059
Serpico has proved that he can move faster and fight with a greater level of skill.
Griffith lost to Guts when Guts was much weaker.
>>101835033
Guts armor saved his life in the pillar fight. Serpico landed numerous strikes to his neck and chest that were blocked by the armor. He even kept up when Guts switched styles to allow him to use more speed.
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>>101835214
>Griffith would demolish Tower of Conviction Serpico, who I'd compare more to Silat's level.
Bullshit.
Serpico was on a different level.
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>>101835027
I don't think so. Griffith was owned. He underestimated how much Guts had grown over his time with the hawk, and thought he'd be able to deflect his sword. Not only that but Guts had the discipline to not kill Griffith. Griffith would not have been able to afford such a courtesy.

Plus it makes sense considering how Guts is the leader of the raiders/the strongest aspect of the Hawk. Guts would see much more battle than Griffith. In almost every Golden age Guts beats Golden age Griffith.
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>>101835205
The theme seems completely different pre-golden age (and in my opinion, much more interesting). I think it's simply a case of only the manga's direction changing.
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>>101835205
I made a huge post about it in some other thread a while ago. Basically the wound is still fairly fresh at that point and Guts is actively trying to convince himself that he has a heart of stone, and can fight for revenge with no thought for anyone that gets hurt along the way.

This breaks down rather dramatically after the fight with the Count (where he nearly burst into tears) and since that point in the story, throughout Lost Children he slowly climbs out of that deep dark pit he was lost in. Then comes Casca rescue arc where he really starts to reassess what's important to him.

Of course those demons still haunt him, now in the form of a little black dog that tells him to go back to the way he was during Black Swordsman for keeps.

Lots of internal conflict for our intrepid hero, Guts.
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>>101829083
>my neck hurts
>why aren't I murdering things
>where's Griffisu
>Casca pls be untarded ;-;
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>>101835027
>Griffith was never outclassed by Guts

He was majorly outclassed. The entire build up to the sacrifice was Griffith realizing Guts outclasses him in every way. Everyone started looking up to Guts and Griffith got mad jelly. Then Guts just leaves cause he rather do his own thing, Griffith challenges him to a duel and gets completely dominated. That's why he went and goofed up his plan to take that dudes Kingdom by raping his daughter to early. He felt like he was losing everything he had so he tried to grab his dream before it was to late and failed.
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>>101834988
Griffith is much more intelligent than Serpico. In order for this to work, Griffith must be unrealistically handicapped.
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>>101835427
Oh man, that actually made me laugh.
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>>101835309
>>101835385
>>101835461
>No.

Yes. Look at your picture again.
>my sword still wont last two or three strikes

He knew the problem was his weapon+the fact that he had to fight cautiously to not kill Guts.

If he had actually fought to kill, he would have won. He could have just dodged any of Guts' blows and then sliced his neck off.

Griffith basically let Guts win.
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>>101835500
>If he had actually fought to kill
And if Guts?
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>>101835463
Now, what about Guts?
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>>101835500
Doesn't he say in the next page that it won't matter if he kills him, as long as he doesn't leave?
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>>101835427
You forgot
>why isn't my waifu sword hugging me?
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>>101835500
Check the next page, landwhale.
Griffith is resolved.
If he can't have Guts, he was prepared to kill him.
I know that your crush won't let you admit that Griffith was outclassed, but he fucking was.
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>>101835403
This, described perfectly. His friend betrayed him and sacrificed all of his friends when Guts finally felt as if he found a family. Its only natural that he would start shutting people out after that.
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>>101835427
>Oh god where did I forget my bag
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>>101834676
Please guys
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>>101835564
Griffith would still have won... Remember, we're talking about the guy who sliced of Zodd's entire arm in one blow with a tiny sword.
>>101835622
>>101835633
This doesn't prove anything. Griffith still went with the "hit his shoulder" plant, exactly because he didn't want him to die.

And why are you calling me a landwhale now? I'm underweight.
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>>101835500
Guess that's why he was so okay with Guts winning
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>>101835461
I don't disagree with you that Griffith was outclass but I don't think that's why he fucked up his whole plan.

He liked Guts more then he realized, so when he went to get gain his own dream and Griffith finally realized hoe much he truly needed Guts he went postal.

It was a pretty heavy handed way to show that Griffith was bi sexual or at least gay for Guts.
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Who would win between Isidro and Golden age Casca?

Casca is on her period and Isidro intends to rape her if he wins, Guts is nearby to save her.
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>>101835500
Did you miss the point where Guts was able to beat him without killing him. He was able to do what Griffith could not. They both held themselves to the same handicap, and Guts still came out on top.
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>>101835386
>>101835266
Nah, those chapters are still an important part of his evolution.

>>101835309
Serpico never took Guts on head on without some sort of plan to weaken him. He did this because he was smart enough to know that he was entirely outclassed in open combat. You're putting WAAAAAY too much emphasis on his swordsmanship and physical ability to the exclusion of his tactical mind. That's where Serpico's real strength lies.

On the other hand, Silat and Griffith both challenged Guts without first luring him into a position where he couldn't fight at his fullest and both of them were a match.

>>101835378
He might be slightly better than Silat, but not by that much. This is only taking into account combat skill as opposed to strategy where Serpico seems to have the upper hand.

You guys are really overestimating my man's strength and skill. He's no slouch, but that's not where his bread and butter is, at least until he gets magic to back them up.
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>>101835633
Fun fact: Serpico was skillful enough to deflect a thrust from the Dragonslayer.
In a fight where Guts literally said he was too good to hold back against.
As opposed to the Griffith fight, where Griffith was resolved to kill, but Guts held his strike and never intended to kill in the first place.
(sorry about the hawkscan, files are on other computer)
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>>101835704
Casca, is this even a question?
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>>101835500
Actually, Griffith could not win both due to fate and individual skill.

See, on a global scale, there is snow, movement is limited and Griffith absolutely does not want Guts dead. So even if the possibility of killing Guts exist, Griffith had no solution.
Hell, Griffith's plan is so out of place and bizarre it makes me wonder why he even accepted the challenge since his margin of victory was practically impossible.

But then you have to also take into account Gut's strength having grown over the years. Griffith's didn't count of that.

So basically, due to fate and free will, by both working together and on their own, Griffith could not win.
If there was no snow, it might have been a fair fight, but fate does not give any room for chance.
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>>101835730
>yfw you realize that if Griffith had been smart enough to try this move, Guts never would have been able to leave
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>>101835027
How was it lucky? The whole point of that scene was to emphasize how far Guts had come since their first duel.

He's gotten so damn strong a parry would never work on him again. He's not some bull you can dance around with a red cape; if you see the sword swinging, move out of the fucking way. It has nothing to do with luck.
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>>101835671
No, he had decided that it didn't matter whether or not his blade killed Guts. He was fighting to win. He lost.
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>>101835671
>This doesn't prove anything
Because you're goddamn blind to motivation and story?
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>>101829182
Fun fact: Should a person in real life be burned to the same extent as Guts has, they would have serious health issues, hidratation problems, failing kidneys, and blood toxicity.
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>>101835730
A stab and a downward slash are very different anon
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>>101835671
>Griffith cut his arm off.

Yea, using team work. Read the page, I think you're just attempting to troll now.

Also his "hit the shoulder" plan would have killed Guts if he parried. Which he did, and notice in >>101835633 Griffith says "Good!!" He wanted Guts to die.
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>>101835730
He didn't so much as deflect but scraped barely by touching the edge and using it to dodge.
Though the fact he even was able to do that is impressive.
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>>101835832
Both can be sidestepped.
And Guts was obviously much faster and more powerful during his fight with Serpico.
The Guts that Griffith LOST to was much less skilled than the Guts that Serpico stood against.
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>>101835703
Bro, stop it. Just stop it.
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>>101831525
Is there a name for this type of art? Could've sworn there was.

Noveau?
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>>101835680
I meant that he let him win by accident, by fear to kill him, not purposely.
>>101835710
Yes, because Guts' sword is so thick compared to Griffith's. It wasn't Guts' skill, it was just the weapons used.
>>101835782
I already explained that. >>101835500
>>101835828
No, I'm not, and I explained that too.
>>101835845
>Yea, using team work.
I never denied that. My point is that he was strong enough to slice such a huge thing with such a small weapon. Not even Guts' could slice off Zodd's arm in one blow, despite having a much bigger weapon.

>He wanted Guts to die.
Full retard.
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>>101835829
This is Guts we're talking about, his skin is probably as tough as iron by now
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>>101835671
>Implying Guts wouldn't be able to cut off Zodds arm is it was lying there waiting for it to happen.

Guts literally had to fight the strongest appostle by himself. Griffith gets knocked out like a bitch instantly. I don't even know why there is an argument.

You're not that Griffith fag who has all these false notions about how Griffith really is the mesiah and that he turned good post eclipse, are you?
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>>101835958
Not sure what it's called but I wish the artist made more
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>>101835934
>Bro, stop it. Just stop it.
Stop what? That was my first post. Or is it that you can't handle someone pointing out the obvious homo overtones to Griffith's character.
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>>101831525
>But becomes gay for Farnese
But Farnese is gay for Schrieke

>nobody is gay for Guts
>not even his white haired former homofriend is gay for him anymore
Being Guts is suffering
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>>101834676
>>101835659
Hmm, I'll try to find them again for you.

http://bakabt.me/details.php?id=162057&page=0

There you go. I mean uh, enjoy your spoonfeeding pleb! Grrr next time just google Berserk Darkhorse Scans you ninny! Grrr get out, lurk more, grrr!
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>>101835782
>He's gotten so damn strong a parry would never work on him again
I'm not even sure why someone would even try that if this man can swing a slab of metal with incredible speed and ease
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If Guts had fought Serpico at the hill instead of Griffith, he most likely would have lost.
During the fight under the castle, Guts metal arm and armor prevent many strikes that would have otherwise ended the fight.
People can talk about how the environment was too his advantage, but he also had to deal with a FAR more powerful Guts.
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>>101836024
That's alright, he's grooming a bunch of girls to be his future waifu

>Theresia
>Jill
>Shierke

and if Casca's rape gave him a hankering for NTR

>Isma
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>>101835969
>I meant that he let him win by accident
Nice backpedal. Griffith was fighting to win, even if it killed Guts. He flat out says as much.
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I think it's unfair that Griffith has Sonia and Charlotte wanting to fuck.

But Guts is #1 cause he has Schierke wanting to fuck.
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>>101836043
To tell the truth, i tought those weren't the scans. I remember that some anon edited the versions of some torrent but stopped (these http://www.mediafire.com/-berserk-) Then, some other guy started editing more volumes, but i didn't save the link. But if those are the scans i'm searching for, then thanks a lot.
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ERABE
1) From now on only lolis will be attracted to you, and you will only be allowed to have romantic relations with them
2) From now on only Griffith/Femto will be attracted to you, and you will only get to have romantic relations with him
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Reminder that Griffith was a whiny scrub who lost because he got lazy.
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>>101835969
Their weapons were perfectly suitable; they were the weapons that both parties used since the beginning, they both reflect the wielders personality.

Griffith, like his rapier, is precise, and knows where it wants to go. But its thin, and can easily break, causing his downfall.

Guts' sword is strong and thick. It is wild, and even somewhat aimless. It cannot be broken, like Guts' will.

How strong could a thin rapier even be, anyways? It played it perfectly.
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>>101835969
>to slice such a huge thing with such a small weapon

The thicker the blade is, the harder it is to cut with. The thinner the blade, the easier it is to cut with. Weight doesn't play as much of a factor considering that Guts sword weighs at most 15 pounds, and Griffiths maybe 5. Guts is physically stronger than Griffith.
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>>101836094
Dude, Serpico is fucking terrified of Guts. He would have never done that, because that's an easy way for him to die
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>there are people arguing that someone could defeat Guts now

Guts wipes the floor with everything even when he's half dead. Serpico can't beat him, Zodd can't beat him, and Griffith got beaten by him so hard he joined the God Hand.
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>>101836198
It wasn't a rapier.
It was a saber.
And it broke because of Guts strength, not due to some metallurgical issue.
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>>101836175
They're the scans I posted in the post you quoted. I hope they're satisfactory.
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>>101833597
The God Hand pretty much spelled everything out for her.
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>>101836233
Don't forget that the only time they fought Serpico chose a place where he had the advantage, and he still lost.
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>>101836262
Thanks. I wish i had a reaction image of some cute anime girl but i'm not in my computer right now.
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>>101836007
I think it's definitely inspired by art-noveau. I love this stuff.
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>yfw "God" is revealed to be an alternate to the IoE and is pretty much the Xenogear's version expy
Which is to say, a nice guy but doesn't do anything.
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>>101836094
Again, I really feel you're underestimating Serpico's genius tactical mind in favor of trying to pump up his warrior pedigree.

If he fought Guts in an open area like Griffith did, no magic, I truly do not think Serpico would have won.
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>>101835989
> Griffith gets knocked out like a bitch instantly.
He got a full swing from Zodd's tail and hit a stone pillar at full force. That's not exactly being a bitch.

>I don't even know why there is an argument.
Guts hit Zodd's arm in the same panel. He didn't slice off his whole arm. He also hit human-Zodd on the shoulder and only got a few inches inside.

>You're not that Griffith fag who has all these false notions about how Griffith really is the mesiah and that he turned good post eclipse, are you?
No. I'm a Griffithfag who believes that he was a really good guy before the Eclipse, and that Femto is bad.
>>101836015
Griffith is totally straight.
>>101836124
There's no backpedal, you just misunderstood me at first. Yes, he was fighting to win, but he wasn't fighting to kill. If he had been, he would have won.
>>101836198
Yes, they were perfectly suitable in a fair battle to the death. Here, Griffith was very disadvantaged.
>>101836220
>sword weighs at most 15 pounds
Are you serious? Just no.
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>>101836260
I'm pretty sure we're agreeing with each other.

Saber, Rapier. Whatever. Still thin as fuck compared to thousandlimbs.
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>>101836361
Griffith apologists, everyone.
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>>101836233
>Serpico is fucking terrified of Guts
u wot?
No he isn't.
The thing he fears most is that Guts will end up murdering his half-sister.
He respects Guts' strength and acknowledges it greater than his own.
This is not the face of a man who fears his opponent.
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>>101836320
Didn't he try that at least twice?
I remember him picking a fight on the narrow ledge outside the Beelzebub cavern with the orgy. Serpico thinking the narrow walking space would restrict Guts' movements. Then again under the city when surrounded by pillars since Guts couldn't swing his huge sword in an arc and would be forced to thrust.
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>>101833688
I thought his wife was sacrificed?
I don't remember that happening.
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>>101836408
Not him, and I'm far too lazy to find the page, but in another fight Serpico is shitting bricks when he tries to use some stone columns as cover and Guts fucking smashes them.
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>>101836361
Everyone was a stepping stone for Griffith, though he had respect for all of them. Only when reduced to a retard did he truly desire Casca and found Guts a good friend a couple months into joining.
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>>101836466
That's some straight up beautiful artwork.
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>>101836361
Guts had no intention of killing Griffith.

Griffith considered killing Guts, yet still lost. I don't know how many times people are going reword what I said to get it through your head, but Griffith got wrecked like the bitch he was.

There is nothing more to discuss.
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>>101836361
>Are you serious? Just no.

You're right. It's probably less than that. You have no idea how heavy swords really are do you? They are a lot lighter than you think, since, y'know, they have to actually be usable. Look up the approximate weight for a greatsword. Go on, I'll wait.
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>>101836408
That was their first fight, though.
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>>101836517
I just re-read it.
At no point is Serpico terrified.
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>>101836361
>Griffith
>good before the Eclipse
Fuck, you're deluded. Sure, he's a good guy, but he's not the Good Guy. He's selfishly absorbed in achieving his dream and sees the Hawks as his pawns to be sacrificed. He spells it out at Charlotte's birthday when talking about what a friend was to him. Of course that alienated Guts, since Guts didn't see himself as Griffith's equal, even though Griffith did.
That led to Guts leaving and the duel. And there, Griffith tried his hardest to stop Guts from leaving. The point was to show that no matter how much Griffith wanted it, he couldn't have Guts. Guts had surpassed him in skill, even if he was too dull to realized it.
Then Griffith was a ninny who had to run to Charlotte for some rebound sex.
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Noooooo I don't want this thread to turn into another Griffith hate lynchmob. Dammit, can we talk about uh.. Lets talk about.. Irvine! Irvine and his weird reverse centaur dog gazelle form thing.

Is it just me or are they setting up Irvine to betray the Hawks for Sonia's sake?
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>>101836646
>Griffith hate lynchmob
To be fair...HE FUCKING DESERVES IT.
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>>101836198
Griffith's sword seems much more like a saber to me.
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>>101836646
>Griffith did nothing wrong!
>actually believing this
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>>101836361
>>101836615

PLEASE GOD NO, WE ARE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN

I'M FUCKING SICK OF EVERY BERSERK THREAD WITH YOU TWO ARGUING ABOUT GRIFFITH

TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, FUCK I'LL EVEN START A THREAD JUST FOR YOU GUYS
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>>101836646
>another Griffith hate lynchmob.
Are you implying that Griffith isn't a horrible person and doesn't deserve every ounce of hate he's received?
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>>101836615
>Then Griffith was a ninny who had to run to Charlotte for some rebound sex.
Then gives up like a punk when he gets surrounded.
The basic fact is, Griffith just isn't as strong willed as Guts.
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>>101836646
It's the same fucking Griffith apologist every time too. He can fucking sense berserk threads and feels like he must defend his husbandu.
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>>101836577
Guts' sword would be incredibly heavy. Let's take a Scottish Lowlander's Sword as a base, which is just under six feet long and a little under seven pounds.
http://www.swordsfromspain.com/Paul_Chen_Scottish_Lowlander_Sword_by_Hanwei_p/cash2065.htm Guts' early sword is about that long, maybe more. He also repeatedly says his sword is three times as thick as a normal sword, so we're at about 20 pounds. At least.
Then there's the Dragon Slayer, which would clock in at over 100 pounds if it really were the six-foot long, one-foot wide slab of metal it's shown to be.
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>>101835969
So....
>It wasn't Guts' skill, it was just the weapons used.
>Not even Guts could slice off Zodd's arm in one blow, despite having a much bigger weapon.
If Griffith is so much more incredibly skilled than Guts that he could chop off Zodd's arm with his sword, why couldn't Griffith deflect Guts' sword in their duel?
Seriously, Neiru, you aren't making any sense here.
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>>101836738
It's a landwhale.
I remember when she was posting shit about how Casca didn't really love Guts and how Griffith was the good guy.
At the time, she hadn't even finished the manga.
She repeats the same bullshit everytime.
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>>101836732
To be fair, he did have a dozen pikes at his neck and he left what was left of his sword out by the tree where Guts broke it.
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>>101836608
Serpico is good at hiding his fear then isn't he? The only reason he's alive is because Guts doesn't feel like killing him. Stop riding his dick, Guts wipes the floor with him every time they fight even when he's at a disadvantage.
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>>101836815
Actually, it weighs something like 400-500 pounds due to its thickness and overall size.
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>>101836408
Dude, just watch his face
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>>101836608
Totally composed. He's putting his hand on his chest to...uh, scratch an itch. Yeah.
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>>101836646
He's monster and you know it, he's just a handsome monster.
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>>101836824
>b-b-b-because he didn't want to kill him even though on the next page it says he does
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>>101828808
>tfw we'll never see batshit Farnese schlicking off to burning people alive again
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>>101836885
>Guts doesn't feel like killing him
In the first fight, Guts isn't holding back, tries to kill him multiple times.
Second fight: Guts even says he wasn't holding back because Serpico is too skilled.
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>>101836897
>400-500 pounds
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>>101836677
>>101836713
>>101836728
>>101836738
That isn't the point guys. Really, every single Berserk thread always turns out like this eventually. I realize Griffith is a fascinating and controversial character and I love discussing him too, but this is ridiculous. It has this horrible tendency to turn into a flame war that drowns out everything else.

It's not anyone's fault, really. We've been so starved for anything new to talk about with this series that I guess it's inevitable.
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>>101836897
I didn't want to go into the maths, but yeah, iron is fucking heavy, though I doubt that heavy. This guy makes Cloud's Buster Sword, which is about the same thickness, but smaller width and length, but it comes out at a little over 70 pounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xogheZdAO18
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>>101836406
I'm not a Griffith apologist because he never did anything he had to apologize for.
>>101836518
So? I don't see how that's related to what I said.
>>101836546
>Guts had no intention of killing Griffith.
I never denied that.

>Griffith considered killing Guts, yet still lost.
He went with the plan that was the least likely to kill him.
>>101836577
Real life great swords weren't as thick as Guts'.
>>101836615
> and sees the Hawks as his pawns to be sacrificed.
Not really. He whored himself so less of them would have to die for him.

>He spells it out at Charlotte's birthday when talking about what a friend was to him.
He wasn't serious. He was bullshitting Charlotte to appear cool and badass. Proof: he really freaked out when Guts actually wanted to be his equal, and he was able to offer the entire Band as a sacrifice, meaning he had to love by them definition.
>>101836824
Because Griffith's sword was too weak.
>>101836840
>about how Casca didn't really love Guts
What? When did I say that? You must be thinking of someone else. Link me to my post in the archive.
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>>101831237
Doesn't the mermaid suffer a terrible fate?
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>>101837010
>he never did anything he had to apologize for
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>>101837010
>he never did anything he had to apologize for.
I can't... I can't go on. Stupidity of this density is the stuff of neutron stars.
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>>101836982
At the end of the fight, does Guts kill Serpico? No? Because I'm pretty sure Guts won when they fought. And since Guts is such a nice guy, he let Serpico live.
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Ishidoro? More like Ishitoro.
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>>101837020
She hasn't yet. I expect Roderick to die before her though.
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>>101837009
>>101836984
A cubic meter of steel weighs about 8 tons, +-1 ton.
The sword is, let's 6 feet long * 1 feet wide * 3 inches thick, maybe a bit less. I'll round down. Let's assume light alloy, 7 tons/m^3.
Metric calculation ahead (1 inch is 2.54cm, but these are all ballpark figures) :
180 cm * 30cm * 7.5cm = 40500 cm^3
1 m^3 = 1000 000 cm^3 -> 40500 cm^3 = 0,0405 m^3
0,0405 m^3 * 7000kg/m^3=283.5 kg or 625 pounds
Minus roughly 200 to account for thinning around the edged of the blade.
Also, I work as a brake-press operator. When we get steel parts around that size, we use the shop crane to move them around due to the weight.
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>>101837010
>He went with the plan that was the least likely to kill him

But he said he didn't care if he killed Guts.

>Not really. He whored himself so less of them would have to die for him.

Which is why he allows them to be sacrificed in the eclipse and the only reason that Guts and Casca survive is because Griffith rapes Casca and insists that Guts' watches before he dies?

You are delusional.
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>>101837163
Wow, you pull brakes.

Whoop-dee fucking do. That doesn't give you authority to write nonsensical calculations on an online anonymous imageboard.
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>>101837010
>I'm not a Griffith apologist because he never did anything he had to apologize for.

Lets for the purpose of this thread assume you have a significant other (boyfriend, girlfriend, you get the idea). Let us say I manged to get some bros of mine to pin you to the ground and force you to watch as I rape the ever living fuck out of your other. Now tell me I have nothing to apologize for.
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>>101836646
Y'know, the best Griffith apologists aren't actually Griffith apologists, they simply find him fascinating and a really deep character, who has clear motives and morals.
The same person who is in all of these threads is not the good kind of Griffith apologist.
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>>101837292
>Wow, you pull brakes.
That's not what a brake-press is.
I bend shit.
Also, feel free to check the math.
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>>101837181
>But he said he didn't care if he killed Guts.
Griffith said several lies throughout the story. He's one of those guys who hate admitting that he has feelings towards other people.

>Which is why he allows them to be sacrificed in the eclipse
Taken out of context.

>is because Griffith rapes Casca and insists that Guts' watches before he dies?
That was Femto. I don't really like that guy either.
>>101837301
That was Femto.


By the way, I just found this.
>THEIR STRENGTH IS EQUALLY MATCHED!
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>>101835403
Wait a moment, I just finished berserk. People really struggled to understand this point? I picked up on the progression naturally.
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>>101837010
>I'm not a Griffith apologist because he never did anything he had to apologize for.
I
I can't
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>>101837358
Femto = Griffith you cocksucker.
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Hello guys.

Please stop replying to the Griffith apologist so we can have a better thread.

Thank you.
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>>101837292
Not him, but there's no reason to get butthurt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xogheZdAO18

This guy made a buster sword out of ALUMINUM and it weighs 75~ pounds. Gut's sword would be impossibly heavy.
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>>101837358
>implying Judeau knows what he's talking about
You really grasp at straws, bitch.
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>>101837010
He had an ordinary sword when he fought Griffith you fuckwit. Christ you're stupid.
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>>101833458
She just wants to hatefuck him like every other female.
Except Caska
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>>101837358
>That was Femto
Oh man nigga, you decided to live inside that hole you dug, didn't you?
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>>101837010
Okay, let's use an analogy for how Griffith values the Hawks. Are you old enough to drive? I'd fucking hope so. Okay, now imagine you get your first car. It's a piece of shit Honda you got off Craigslist for 500 bucks but fuck it, it gets you where you want to go, even if it rattles and shakes all the way. After years of good service, you love your car because it's what gets you around town. Now let's say, the Mythbusters show up and offer you a brand new Italian sportscar, let's say a Ferrari 458, if you let them blow it up. You'd even get to press the button to detonate the explosion.
Now, what would you do? This is the clunker that clunked you to and from work every day for the past five years. You know every inch of that worn out body and all the holes in every seat and all the stains in the upholstery.
Would you really turn down the chance for that Ferrari for THAT old Honda? Of course Griffith wouldn't.
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>>101837358
You're talking like Guts was trying to kill him
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>>101836220
>Guts sword weighs at most 15 pounds
are you seriously telling me that massive slab of iron weighs as much as a bag of cat food?
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>>101837461
Your analogy is shit.
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>>101837461
That's a fucking terrible analogy and you know it.
Also, the 458 is shit.
Rather have a C7 Z06.
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>>101837461
But his Honda was made of people.
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>>101836815
Is he talking about Dragon Slayer or his first sword? His first sword was just some average shitty greatsword that everyone in Guts first merc band used. It is normal by any means.
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>>101837010
>He went with the plan that was the least likely to kill him.

No. No, no, no, no, no. No. Griffith came up with one plan, which might have ended in Guts dying, but Griffith would rather have Guts dead than be with someone else.
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>>101834742
Not sure if you guys realize this but he's basically Griffith-lite in combat.
And then windy magic horse shit.
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>>101837528
He's talking about Guts' first sword that he had with the Hawks, not the Dragon Slayer.
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How do you kill Griffith?
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So would you guys fuck Guts
I would, no homo
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>>101829386
What the fuck did Guts say back then which made her and Farnese so sad?
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>>101837461
Are you from /v/?

/v/ is infamous for its terrible analogies.
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>>101837590
>Griffith-lite in combat.
From what we've seen, he's more like Griffith+.
Smart enough not to fight Guts in a fucking empty field.
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For all your >griffithfag apologists/defenders needs
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>>101837599
Guts will use the dragonslayer as a spear
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>>101837599
Deus Ex Machina
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>>101837552
Guts' first sword isn't normal. It's far larger than normal since he started by using an adult sword as a kid and just scaled up as he got bigger.
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>>101837404
>>101837439
It's the truth. ALL the other apostles had a personality change towards evil when they became apostles. Why would it be different for Griffith? Do you guys even read the manga?
>>101837428
Judeau is one of the smartest guys in the story, and he knows both Griffith and Guts well.
>>101837432
The sword weight discussion was related to the battle with Zodd, not the duel. That's a different matter.
>>101837461
What the other people said.
>>101837577
He could have come up with plans that were sure to kill Guts instead, but he didn't.
>>101837625
Fuck, this is Femto.
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Why did they have to use CGI in the movies?
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I don't know why anyone is getting attached to these characters.

Mirua is just prolonging their life so their deaths will be more painful.
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>>101837603
No. I'd go gay for Kyousuke though.
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>>101837620
No, I'd never visit that shithole.
>>101837546
Fine, you can have it. Just blow up your old car made of people.
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I've really come to like Roderick's character a lot since he was introduced. That suave and dashing personality, and he's been able to keep a cool head and deal with some pretty bizarre situations. That whole heroic, adventurous sailor thing. He's pretty damned cool.

I'm gonna be sad when he inevitably dies. I just know he's being set up for it but I can't help but get a little attached. What say you all? If he wasn't introduced just to die later, do you think he can win the Farnese?
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>>101837646
Fun fact: This sword is actually LONGER than the Dragonslayer.
This blade is longer than Guts is tall, whereas the Dragonslayer isn't
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>>101837660

>tfw I know deep inside I'll have to watch Schierke die at some point if he ever continues this series
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>>101837660
I don't even care anymore, just as long as something fucking happens, some new fucking material.
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>>101837649
GRIFFITH IS FEMTO
FEMTO IS GRIFFITH
BATMAN IS BRUCE WAYNE
THEY'RE THE SAME! THEY'RE THE FUCKING SAME!
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE
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>>101837649
Yea you are right, Griffith and Femto are completely different people.
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>>101837660
>modern Miura
>having the balls to kill off lolis

They're safe
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>>101837625
This is fucking perfect.
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>>101837722
>BATMAN IS BRUCE WAYNE
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>>101837624
You guys are really underestimating how batshit crazy Griffith actually was.
But then he went bonkers and decided to fight a STR build in a muscle contest.
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>>101837649
>ALL the other apostles had a personality change towards evil when they became apostles
How do you figure?
By ALL you mean The Count and Rosine?
Because that's not "all".
Not to mention that Griffith literally switches back and forth between the two forms.
AND HE ISN'T A FUCKING APOSTLE.
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>>101837659
Because Studio 4C is shit.
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>>101837659
Because it was cheaper than having good art.

Here's a better question, when are the Lost Children and Tower of Conviction arcs going to be animated?
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>>101837722

>Bruce Wayne is Batman

What a fucking crazy idea.
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>>101837705
It's actually a magical sword that changes sizes depending on the panel it's in.
Seriously read the series again and watch it, it's a sly bastard.
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>>101837760

That's just the illusion he wants you to believe.

Schierke will have a torture far worse than Griffith.
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>>101837805
>animated
I hope you mean by computers!
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>>101837815
>Seriously read the series again and watch it, it's a sly bastard.
Oh, I know.
Miura can't remember the basic shape half the time, let alone the length and width.
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>>101837646
Did it ever say that he switched swords? I know that it broke once but I'm pretty sure he just switched it out for a sword of the same size. The sword he had as a child was just a normal greatsword though. He never asks for anything bigger until Dragon Slayer.
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>>101837820
Wow, public urination, big whoop
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>>101837705
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>>101837649
i really wish you'd just stop posting
>Fuck, this is Femto.
you can't say this shit still applies when other apostles retained their humanity well enough

take the count, for example

don't reply to me either, just stop fucking posting
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>Schierke will never piss on Guts
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>>101837856
His sword is always, always shown much larger than anyone else's. Also, thicker. Like I said, he points out that it's three times thicker than the average sword.
His first one breaks, then he gets his replacement(which we never see where he gets it from) and that's the one he duels Griffith with, then he breaks a few more when training in the woods with Godo and Erica until finally after the Eclipse, Godo shows him the Dragon Slayer.
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>>101837887
This.
They're still the same fucking person.
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>>101837773
Are you trying to make me not want to get the 3rd part?

Because if you are you can cut that shit out.
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>>101837722
>>101837749
>BATMAN IS BRUCE WAYNE
Are you seriously equating a literal rebirth by some god-like entities with a... costume? Seriously. It's obvious to anyone who knows Griffith that Femto isn't really the same person. Femto is just disguising as Griffith.
>>101837770
Those are the only ones we have a background of (with Griffith), and they did change. It's safe to assume that it's the same for all the other ones.

Femto isn't an apostle, but he still had the same transformation by a behelit. God Hands are basically higher-grade "apostles".
>>101837887
The count started torturing and eating people alive. He lived just to inflict pain on people and protect his daughter. He definitely changed.
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>>101837760
The dark side is still in there somewhere anon. It's just waiting to tear out of him like a bat out of hell and go wild.
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>>101837952
He also breaks the the first one Godo gives him
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STOP

REPLYING

TO THE FUCKING GRIFFITHFAG
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>>101837705
>Implying Miura gives a shit about consistency in sword lengths.

Anyway, another thing that should be noted ist that the blade is grooved so that it actually weighs even less. Even if that was the actual length, and it isn't, the sword should still be around 15-20 pounds. The fact that he could swing it as fast as Griffith during the duel is yet another testament to Guts being stronger than Griffith.
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>>101837997
>Femto is just disguising as Griffith.
The levels of self-delusion are off the fucking scale.
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>>101837997
guys
GUYS
WE DON'T EVER SEE GRIFFITH AND FEMTO AT THE SAME PLACE

WHAT IF
GET THIS

WHAT IF FEMTO

IS ACTUALLY GRIFFITH?!
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>>101838082
But it's fun watching the blubbering cunt try to justify Griffith.
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What band would you hire to write music for Berserk?
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>>101838132
Susumu Hirasawa.
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>>101838132
We just keep Susumu Hirasawa, why would we need anyone else
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>>101838132
Iron Maiden is GOAT and would do good.
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>>101833301
Isidro looks like Gambino.
Schierke becoming like Flora.
Guts is becoming Skully.
Griffith is the King of Midland.
Casca becomes Slan
Miura dies

Uh-oh..
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>>101838100
That's ridiculous. Femto wears a mask, he is clearly not Griffith. Griffith doesn't wear a mask.
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>>101838132
One man band-Susumu Hirasawa
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>>101838188
>>101838172
>>101838176
Besides the person already doing it.
Come on.
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>>101838172
>>101838176
>>101838188
This.
Muh fuckin' Forces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlAa1A967FQ
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>>101837997
You fucking nigger, Griffith transforms into Femto after he WILLINGLY SACRIFICES the band of the Hawk. Now, I could try to use algebraic reasoning to try and convince you that Femto and Griffith are the same person, but something tells me that you haven't learned algebra yet at whatever middleschool you attend so I won't/
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Femto doesn't exist.
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>>101838132
BeForU. "Why" you ask? Because fuck you that's why.
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>>101838227
Fine. John Williams.
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>>101838179
But Iron Maiden is fucking terrible dadrock?
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>>101838335
/mu/ pls go.
Iron Maiden is great.
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>>101838335
>dadrock
Kill yourself you fucking child.
>>101838364
I like Maiden, but it just wouldn't fit with Berserk.
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>>101838227
Well you should have specified
I'd get Vinnie Moore from the past, imagine, the final fight while neo-classical instrumental metal at its finest playing in the background
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwe2sRxxGG4
Alternatively, the guys from the Nier OST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LKIsWOSHAY
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>>101838364
Not him, but Iron Maiden is entry level power metal.

Nothing more, nothing less. a 7.5/10 band.
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>>101834542
Fucking hell. I only noticed Griffith's snake eyes now.
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>>101838335
You're right. Neutral Milk Hotel should do the music instead.
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>>101838408
Iron Maiden is shit for old people. I bet it totally aggravates you that there are people younger than Berserk in these threads, doesn't it old man? You're out of touch
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>>101838089
>Femto saying exactly what Griffith would
I don't see how that contradicts me.
>>101838100
>>101838122
>>101838187
Not funny.
>>101838281
>You fucking nigger, Griffith transforms into Femto after he WILLINGLY SACRIFICES the band of the Hawk.
He had a moment of weakness, it's true. After the shattered dreams, torture, seeing his two best friends in love, failed suicide attempt, AND psychic convincing by the God Hand, he cracked. Yes, Griffith wasn't flawless, he had weaknesses too.

If he had been in his normal state, he would have NEVER sacrificed the Hawks.
>>101838443
Notice how he didn't have them before? Guess why...
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>>101838465
I've come to terms being significantly older than the vast majority of /a/ yet I still cannot stand dealing with 12-year olds.
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>>101838438
Maiden is heavy, not power you fucking turbopleb.
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>>101838438
>entry level power metal.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Iron Maiden isn't Power Metal.
Just because the fucking vocalist can actually sing doesn't make it power metal.
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>>101838335
>dadrock

The sod is that?
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>>101838530
It's rock that your dad listened to. It's a musical insult.
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>>101838519
Maiden is NWOBHM.
Jesus.
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>>101838335

Well I don't know about your dad but mine was listening to Hank Williams and the Righteous Brothers.
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>>101838335
Dadmetal's more like it.

captcha: meal temseura
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>>101838132
The only real answer.

http://youtu.be/L0e2HcZAg_Q?t=2m55s
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>>101838438
>entry level power metal.
You're an idiot.
Also, Bruce is one of the greatest vocalists ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0_baevqZa0
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>>101838519
>>101838525
Who even cares? Its above average metal from the 80s. It doesn't need all of these stupid little categories anyways.
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>>101838575
>Righteous Brothers

Good taste.
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>>101838491
Griffith knew what the Behelit entailed from the moment he accepted it. He only tried to kill himself when he thought the Behelit was lost. Once he got it back, he knew the path he had to take to become king. He knew he had to continue building his bridge of corpses to reach his castle in the sky. He valued the Hawks, but the couldn't take him any further. He needed the Godhand for that and to attain the power of the Godhand, he knew he had to sacrifice his old crew.
He's not some blameless innocent. You are pathetically deluded.
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On a scale of one to Puck how fucking awful are the next movies going to be?
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>all these faggots defending iron gayden
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>>101838681
They're called "genres" and they're useful to group albums and artists in them.
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>>101838681
>ts above average metal
No.
More like possibly the greatest metal band of that decade.
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>>101838716
>all these megababis trying to stir shit up
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>>101838700
They're not making any more movies since they all bombed, each made less money than the last.
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>>101838716
>mfw these hipsters try to claim that Maiden isn't good
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>>101838697
Interesting theory, but it's totally wrong and easily disprovable.

When Griffith realizes what the Behelit actually is for, he actually tries to keep the band away from him, by fear of what's gonna happen to them. See this pic and the one I'll post after.

Here he realizes what the Behelit is for.
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>>101838754
That's not Slayer.
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>>101838754
Moshi moshi, beito desu
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>>101838817
Here Guts approaches. He tries desperately to get him to stay away, but he can't.
>>101838800
Wow, he looks like a major douchebag here.
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>>101838817
No, he's a cunt who killed the people who trusted him to gain more power.
Griffith = Femto = Griffith
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>>101838754
I am a fan of Maiden, I just don't think they're as great as people ITT are saying.

>>101838824
How do you get out of bed without intense suicidal urges every morning?
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>>101838132
I used Escaflowne music the first time I read Berserk. The way "Blaze" synched up with these scene was motherfucking Godlike. The beginning where he's lying in bed thinking, the thunderstorm outside, the chorus comes in just as Gambino appears. It picks up toward the end when Guts begins to break down crying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5IUUOXtz6A

I also like Fanelia for a general Band of the Hawk. I uh, like to imagine Judeau playing the tune like a classic troubadour. M-maybe singing some lyrics about the merry Band of the Hawk around a campfire...

It was easy to disassociate most of Escaflowne's soundtrack and listen to it while I read Berserk because I hated Escaflowne but loved its soundtrack

I used a lot of different soundtracks and songs as I was reading the manga years ago, sometimes just listening other times trying to find music that matched whatever event was going on. It was a lot of fun.
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>>101838824
>Think Slayer is on the same level of Maiden
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>>101838817
Yes he tries to warn them, especially Guts, but still he should have man up and just sacrificed himself.

He still choose demon lord willingly.
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>>101838871
And yet the part that makes him realize he needs to sacrifice the Hawks is when he looks at Guts and how his feelings for Guts made him forget his dream.
Fucking deluded Grifffag.
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>>101838874
>implying everybody wouldn't do the same
The rape is the only thing that makes Femto seem evil.
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>>101838654
If there's one thing I'm jealous of tenors for, is that the good ones can make really high notes sound like their normal voice. They get so used to singing falsetto that it sounds strong, not thin and weak like my baritenor self.
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>>101838990
>The rape is the only thing that makes Femto seem evil.
And the fact he literally calls himself a demon
And that he told the count to murderer his child in order to gain more power.
And the fact he feels literally nothing for the deaths of those who loved him.
And the fact that he ordered his apostles to go murder a good witch.
And that he works for something called the Idea of Evil.
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>>101838917
>>101838933
Remember guys, this is supposedly the sociopath who sees everyone else as nothing but tools. The man who, according to most people here, doesn't actually care about others and wouldn't think twice about sacrificing anything for himself.

Do you guys really not see why this is retarded? Stop falling for shitty propaganda. Griffith is NOT evil. Femto probably is.
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>>101829947
From the beginning.
Think about Casca, tsundere, brown skin, tomboy
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>>101839060
I hope you die.
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>>101839060
>Griffith is NOT evil. Femto probably is.
THEY.
ARE.
THE.
SAME.
PERSON.
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>>101838643

That album is fucking crazy. Imagine living in the 70's, hearing that the mellotron lovin' King Crimson reformed and now included a percussionist and violinist. You go out, buy their new album Larks Tongues, get the record going, and you're greeted with a 13 minute track that's practically a musical potpourri of shifting dynamics and timbres, no vocals.

It was the first album I heard by King Crimson after listening to a downloaded mp3 of 21st Century Schizoid Man when I was a teenager. I definitely was not expecting it.
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>Griffith is not a fucking dick piece of shit i swer to me mum
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>>101839158
That's not Griffith, that's Femto.

Femto's a nigger, Griffith is pale as fuck.

They're clearly not the same person.
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>>101833220
only when she's on the rag
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how old is she anyway?
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>>101839060
H-he just wanted his wings.
And a big ass dick to rape with.
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>>101839218
The character page claims that it's still Griffith.
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>>101839259
Enough.
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>>101839259

do you really care?
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>>101839259
She always struck me as 10, maybe 12. I fucking wish there was more porn of her out there.
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>>101839259
Probably around 10-11.
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>>101839060
You want some more ammo? I'm not even fighting against the Griffith war anymore. Add this to your arsenal.

This just in: Griffith cares about people in his own way. In the end, caring too much about Guts is what did him in.
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>>101839133
>That album is fucking crazy. Imagine living in the 70's, hearing that the mellotron lovin' King Crimson reformed and now included a percussionist and violinist. You go out, buy their new album Larks Tongues, get the record going, and you're greeted with a 13 minute track that's practically a musical potpourri of shifting dynamics and timbres, no vocals.

Oh, anon, I have. I have imagined. In my wildest dreams, my greatest nightmares, I have seen it.

No music has ever touched me like Larks Tongues in Aspic has. There has been very few other art forms that have, but none in the same way.

The worst feeling is that no one will ever sound like Crimson again. Not even Fripp himself could return the band to what it was in 1973.
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>>101839307
>I fucking wish there was more porn of her out there.
Fuck you m8.
The two best berserk doujins star her.
The only two decent Casca ones are bland and end sad as fuck.
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>>101839272
That's a picture of Griffith, not of Femto. Notice how white he is.
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>>101839060
What he does, and what he initially wanted to do are two very separate things. He had previously stated that he didn't mind sacrificing the Hawk to achieve his dream since they were dying for his cause and not their own. This in it of itself is very much what a sociopath would do.

Later, when his dream is crushed after being caught boning Charlotte. He no longer wants anybody to die for him over a broken dream. This all changes once the God hand tells him that he actually can achieve his dream. He then willingly sacrifices the Hawk.

This shit ain't rocket science. It was Griffith who sacrificed the Hawk, not Femto.
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>>101839315
More Griffith giving shits, having human feelings, weaknesses and conflicts.
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>there are people out there still dount that the moon child is gutsxcascas' son and that he won't play a major role in defeating griffith
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>>101839315
Yes, we all know Griffith was gay for Guts.
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>>101839378
Griffith already ate the fetus though.
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>>101839366
A little bit more. One more after this and I make my point.
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>>101839355
Femto is white as fuck too you retard
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>>101839378
>moonchild

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hhOhXFVmdE&feature=kp

You metalheads need to listen to some glorious King Crimson sometime.
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>>101839112
Why? Just because I love a person that you hate?
>>101839122
Not really. Femto has Griffith's memories, and a similar body, but their personality is pretty different. For example, Griffith would have never raped Casca.
>>101839267
I wonder just how big it is.
>>101839315
Thanks, but I tend to prefer to ignore that one. It may lead people to believe that Griffith was gay, and that's even worse in a way.
>>101839365
>He had previously stated that he didn't mind sacrificing the Hawk to achieve his dream since they were dying for his cause and not their own.
He was lying. He just hates admitting he cares for others. I wish I didn't have to explain that all day long.
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>>101839353
IMO those two Casca doujins are the best, but only because they are plausible within the lore. I'm a bit tired of fanfiction sex between characters.
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>>101839378
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o3QQ1M2jtg

Since we're talking about King Crimson and all
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>>101839398
Those are some of the funniest doujins I've ever read.
Which is rare, because japanese humor tends to be absolute garbage.
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>>101839453
Forgot my pic. One more after this, then.

>>101839379
Not the point. Close, though. The key word here is "was."
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>>101839366
Um. He's saying people have always looked up to and respected his greatness or despised him for being better than them. Total sociopath. But then he's saying he doesn't understand his homogay feelings for Guts making him weak-in-the-knees.
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>>101839458
Just because you're a worthless sack of shit. I don't even care about Griffith.
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>>101839458
>Not really. Femto has Griffith's memories, and a similar body, but their personality is pretty different. For example, Griffith would have never raped Casca.
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>>101839456
>moonchild
Only if you listen to ours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Yn72QM-lg&feature=kp
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>>101839458

Griffith and Femto are the same person. Its just that after you break something, something stirs inside and changes you.


When Griffith betrayed them, he changed.
In a way you are right Femto is not Griffith. Griffith killed himself into a monster. The signs were there.
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>>101839458
This is hilarious. You're really pathetic, you know that/
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>>101839400
He didn't eat the fetus. The fetus and the apostle became Griffith's vessel.
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>>101839606
Right, so he ate it.
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>>101839548
Sure. I hope you enjoy jazz-fusion and improv.

I'm already a Maiden fan so I don't mind too much, but you're in for a ride.
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Give it 5 to 10 years and she's gonna be horribly raped several times.
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>>101839495
Here we go. This demonstrates that Griffith has had a dramatic shift in personality since becoming a member of Godhand. Other evidence that points to this is that he doesn't really act like the old Griffith. You could say he hasn't had an opportunity to display his old "childlike innocence meets genius strategist" personality, but the fact that we haven't seen it could potentially have meaning.

So no, the Griffith defender's argument is not wholly without merit. Griffith does seem like a very different person than he was as a human thus far. We'll see if it pans out.
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>>101839458
So when he totally follows up on that promise, and ends up sacrificing the Hawk, you think he was lying to the God hand too?

You fucking idiot.
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>>101839270
>>101839285
>>101839307
>>101839308
I was just hoping I wasn't pedo, because her ass is nice
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>>101839626
Not him but I'm really enjoying the song. Thanks.
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>>101839660
It's okay to like lolis, anon.
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>>101839654
This.

Griffith has feelings sure, Guts made him feel like a normal person, but as soon as the opportunity appeared his ego won.
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>>101839729
I'm glad. It makes me happy to know someone else is enjoying them. The song gets a bit weird after 5:20, so just push through because the ending is phenomenal.
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>>101839535
But why?
>>101839543
Ok, I usually hate bait pics, but that's a nice one. I'm totally serious, though. When has Griffith raped anyone? Never.
>>101839580
Griffith spent the entire Golden Age doing the opposite of sacrificing his men. He always did his best to save everyone.
>>101839589
Why? No, I don't know that.
>>101839649
Thank you. I have no doubt that they're different. I studied them extensively.
>>101839654
No, I already explained that this was a moment of weakness. Normally, he would have never accepted the deal.
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>>101839660
Embrace it.
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>>101839660
Nope, you're pedo. But you're among pedos, so its alright.
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>>101839649
>So no, the Griffith defender's argument is not wholly without merit.

It is without merit. The fucking Godhand explain what sacrificing does to people way back in the volume against the dug count,

Purposefully killing your loved ones for your own gain cuts you from humanity and makes you into an evil cunt, not the transformation itself.
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>>101839806
You are so deluded into making your own conclusions about Griffith you ignore all facts that show he's not some paragon of virtue and goodness.
He is Femto. Deal with it.
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>>101839806

>Griffith spent the entire Golden Age doing the opposite of sacrificing his men. He always did his best to save everyone.


Its a slippery slope anon. He choose power.
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>>101839806
>B-But muh moment of w-weakness
Jesus, do you even see the shit you type or are you just in some Griffith cock slut trance?
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This thread is fucking hilarious, i've never seen someone so deluded.
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>>101839806
>When has Griffith raped anyone?
When he fucked Casca in front of Guts just to spite him for making him forget his dream.
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I just started reading Berserk a couple days ago, I know /a/ hates this shit but where is a good place to download every chapter? I gave up on trying to find one myself and tried reading from a manga website but the font they used was shit, images were too small to read and translations were terrible.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4JrPnep5Aw
Don't mind me, just posting something similar.
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>>101839511
I agree he's a sociopath. I disagree that's ALL HE WAS. Which seems to be the argument of far too many. People are stupid and don't understand that just because you don't like a character you can paint them however you want, playing up certain aspects and dismissing others. Blinding themselves to anything that doesn't support their own established view.

Like complete fucking idiots.

That sword cuts the other way too, with people whitewashing their favorite character and refusing to acknowledge faults. Its even more sickening.

The fact is we don't really know where Miura is going with the whole Femto/Griffith thing. There are scenes pointing to Griffith being the exact same ambitious dreamer he used to be, but there are scenes that make you wonder if the old playful Griffith that would have a water fight with you or share porn magazines is still in there.

>>101839775
This is how I've always felt about Golden Age Griffith. He's a scoundrel but he has good points as well. He does care about the Hawks deeply in his own way, though some would call it twisted. He came to rely too much on Guts because he was his first truly close friend and the loss of that drove him crazy. He has entirely human flaws and human strengths as well.

Neo Griffith doesn't seem to have human flaws or weaknesses or strengths or anything human in him at all. It's like he's literally some character from a children's fairytale come to life.

All in all a fascinating character and I look forward to see where Miura takes it with him from here.
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>>101839929
Ctrl+f baka in this very thread.
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>>101839806
>When has Griffith raped anyone? Never.
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>>101839327

>The worst feeling is that no one will ever sound like Crimson again. Not even Fripp himself could return the band to what it was in 1973.

Very true, the 70's era Crimson was something very special. Though I don't want to undermine what Fripp turned Crimson into in the 80s, which was a completely different beast, but still very intriguing. Belew and Fripp were a great combination.

But yes, as far as my own musical journey is concerned, I'm in the same boat as you: it's hard for me to quantify just how much of an impact the KC's trio of records in the 70's were on me. They probably changed my whole musical standard.. I'm just grateful I stumbled upon them in the first place.
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I recently read Berserk. It is fucking great. I dont know how I am going to keep up with it though.
I like how guts has his own harem almost as well.

I have a few questions I hope some people can help me with.

Its implied the skull knight was the old sacrifice of midland, right?
How far into the story are we? 1/2, 3/4, or what it seems like its getting to the climax quicker than the earlier chapters.

What is your favorite part?

Why is Fars such a Masochrist?
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>>101839963
Really appreciate it man, I'm a cocksucking faggot etc.
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>>101839903
I'm not deluded. I just look at the facts. If Griffith were evil, I simply wouldn't really care about him. I'd probably just like Serpico instead. He's pretty cute and cool too.

But yeah, I like characters based on WHAT THEY ARE, not what I want them to be. It would be illogical to do that. I'd just pick another character who fits my requirements better instead. But Griffith happens to be that character. He's NOT evil and he's not a homo. He's flawed, like everyone, but it's obvious that he's usually on the "good" side in term of alignment.
>>101839907
>>101840004
Femto...
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>>101839806
There are some things that change a person and one can never come back from. It doesn't matter if it was a moment of weakness or whatever he did it.

He sacrificed everyone he loved for his dream and not only that had their deaths pass through him showing him the true enormity if what he did. As soon as he cut his love Griffith was changed forever, not when he was actually transformed.

At least you enjoyed the bait pic. I made it today and it's only the second time I posted it.
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>>101839806
It writes itself, really. You can't make this shit up.
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>>101840066
>cute
There you have it folks, delusional-kun just wants some Griffith dicking.
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>>101839843
Whether Griffith buried his former self or whether it was twisted when he accepted the mantle of supreme evil overlord, the question is whether or not the old Griffith, the person he was during the golden age, is still a part of who he is right now.

So far he really hasn't acted like it, and has suggested himself that part of him is gone for good.

So asking whether or not Femto is the same as old Griffith with the same personality and feelings IS a valid question to ask. I really don't give a fuck if you blame Griffith, it doesn't negate everything else.
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Guys, can we just go back to Serpico vs Griffith discussion? I mean that was more interesting than arguing with a citizen of falconia.
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>>101840066
>deluded /a/ustism
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>>101840066
Oh god, you're one of the Griffith fangirl rape apologists. That explains it all
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>>101840020
I can appreciate Discipline and Three of a Perfect Pair to a lesser extent, but I am not a fan of Beat.

However Belew is fantastic, he brings a lot of needed energy to their live acts, and a lot of my favorite live versions of 70s Crimson songs are from the 80s.

What have you listened to to numb the pain? I am a fan of OOIOO's Green and Gold album, but not much of their other albums have reached my attention.
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>>101840125
I'd rather go back even before that and keep discussing Farnese's character development, Schierke's cuteness, Isidro's man card, Casca's skill, Guts' internal drama and personality changes, pretty much anyone or anything rather than discussing Griffith directly.

There is so much to talk about in Berserk but we only ever wind up discussing one thing the most in these threads YOU WANT TO GUESS WHAT THAT IS, EVERYONE?
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>>101839806
>moment of weakness
It was a moment of weakness when Griffith sold his body for money. It was a moment of weakness when Griffith ran to Charlotte's bed after losing to Guts. It was a moment of weakness when Griffith tried to run from the Hawks just before the Eclipse.
It was a moment of clarity and purpose when he chose to sacrifice them to continue pursuing the dream he thought lost.
>>101840066
>he's not a homo.
He's very fucking gay for Guts. Just accept that.
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>>101840329
>There is so much to talk about in Berserk but we only ever wind up discussing one thing the most in these threads YOU WANT TO GUESS WHAT THAT IS, EVERYONE?

That a qt3.14 loli will never piss on you ;_;?
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>>101840346
>He's very fucking gay for Guts. Just accept that.
I'm waiting for him to drop the "Femto and Griffith are different people" thing and state the moment were Griffith raped Casca to defend griffiths hetrosexuality.
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>>101840346
>He's very fucking gay for Guts. Just accept that.
They do NOT want to fuck. Gurifisu clearly loves Guts, but he just isn't gay. Goddamn it.
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>>101840083
>It doesn't matter if it was a moment of weakness or whatever he did it.
It matters a lot. We all have moments where we aren't exactly ourselves. This was one of those for him. He just cracked. One thing nobody ever managed to explain is this: if it's true that Griffith really was just using people for himself THE WHOLE TIME, then WHY did he try to get the band to stay away from him when he realized what was happening? WHY did it take convincing from the God Hand to finally make him accept? It was a fucking moment of weakness. Then he turned into Femto and genuinely became evil, like what happens to all apostles.
>>101840096
No. I'm totally serious.
>>101840114
I never denied that, but it's not the only reason. Griffith has a great personality, and I'm tired of people slandering him all the time. This shit has to stop.
>>101840180
I never justified rape. I agree that what happened at the Eclipse was wrong. I'm just saying that we shouldn't define the entirety of Griffith's character based on that one event.
>>101840346
>It was a moment of weakness when Griffith sold his body for money. It was a moment of weakness when Griffith ran to Charlotte's bed after losing to Guts.
I agree.

>It was a moment of weakness when Griffith tried to run from the Hawks just before the Eclipse.
Hell no. That was really badass.
>been tortured for a year and crippled forever
>Yes... I rested a bit too long
Fucking awesome. I love Griffith.

>It was a moment of clarity and purpose when he chose to sacrifice them to continue pursuing the dream he thought lost.
Nope.

>He's very fucking gay for Guts. Just accept that.
He loves him as a friend. It's bromance at most, which isn't gay.
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>>101840329
Bags, amirite?
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>>101840417
Look at >>101839366.
He was completely in love with Guts.
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>>101840430
>It's bromance at most, which isn't gay.
Bromances lead to brojobs.
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>>101840430
They explain to me why he choose to sacrifice his dear comrades faggot?
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>>101840430
Your entire argument is based on "Griffith wouldn't act in a way I don't like because I love him so much, everyone else who talks about him doesn't love him as much so they're wrong". You're insane, man. You're just fucking nuts. You need to seriously reconsider your life.
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>>101840430
I've been on 4chan for 10 years and this is easily one of, if those THE most deluded pile of autism I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing. Behind all the citations and the speculations you're just a little kid pining for your husbando to be "perfect."
It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
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>>101840492
BROJOB! BROJOB! BROJOB!
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>>101840574

Its just a perfect example of Male "try to fix it" brain routine that also plagues beta faggots, in this case its not a girl but its Griffith so its the same thing.
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Griffith couldn't have raped Casca because he's clearly gay for Guts. Checkmate atheists.
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>>101840224

Haha, yes Beat is awfully commercial, really not a worthy follow up to Discipline. Neal And Jack And Me is pretty groovy though, that song always stuck with me.

To numb the pain? Well, we already established there's nothing quite like Crimson, so I just handle it an old love affair: appreciate its uniqueness, hold it close to my heart, and move on. For the past year now I've been listening to stuff mostly outside of the rock world, mostly ambient works. Particularly Steve Roach; check out some of his late 80's/early 90's records if you're not familiar and interested.

OOIOO: I think I know that band. It features the trumpet girl from the Boredoms? I love their Chocolate Synthesizer album; spastic and bizarre Japanese rock and roll is always a joy to hear.
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>>101840748
Griffith only raped Casca because he knew that Guts had fucked Casca.

It was an indirect dick kissu
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>>101840452
Bagserk is the only thing that could save this thread now.

I wonder how crazy these threads would get if Miura really did start releasing Berserk chapters regularly again.
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>>101840802
>101840802
Oh fuck you I spit out my coke god dammit
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>>101840553
You want me to explain it for like the fifth time in this thread? Just go look for previous posts.
>>101840568
>Your entire argument is based on "Griffith wouldn't act in a way I don't like because I love him so much, everyone else who talks about him doesn't love him as much so they're wrong".
I feel insulted. I spent hours looking for proofs and argumentating rationally. You can disagree with me, but you can't say I don't have any real arguments.
>>101840574
I'm saddened that you see it that way.
>>101840704
What?
>>101840401
No need, there's examples of the real Femto being attracted to women sexually.

>typical gay man according to Griffith haters
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>I spent hours looking for proofs and argumentating rationally
Think of all the anime you could have watched you silly man.
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>>101840813
>new chapter
>ever
The story is already finished, you just haven't realize it.
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>>101840802
I love you guys sometimes.
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Nobody is arguing here that Griffith was a bad person or good person when he was human, he had his good moments and bad self serving ones. It still does not save him from the fact he betrayed his friends.

He is fucking Satan now, and as a sensible anon pointed already there is no indication his good human part survived the eclipse.
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>>101840889
I don't actually watch much anime or read much manga. It's hard to find the motivation to.

I actually only watched Berserk because my best friend bugged me for months. I immediately loved it, but then I got VERY butthurt at the torture+eclipse, and held out reading the manga for like a year. I regretted not reading it earlier.
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>>101840046
I remember hearing somewhere that the story is 60% told now.
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>>101841130
Damn, It seems to be closing in on dropping off Casa at least and by then Guts might peruse Grifith.

I am at least happy They formed a party now, It was really bumming me out how much Gutts suffered alone.

Also to all the Grif guys, Do you remember when he said he had a plan for Gutts? Isnt the Dream of the white hawk saved by the Black Hawk? Do you think that maybe Grifith is controlling all this and is actually a trying to destroy GodHand and use Gutts to clear the way?
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>>101837383
>People actually think that Griffith isn't basically Hitler
I god damn hate these new fucking chapters just cause of that.
>M-MUH BAND OF THE HAWK
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>>101840430
Man did you ever think that God wanted Grifith to loose all emotions and set him up for the fucking shit he did?
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>>101840430
Also has it dawned on anyone that Femto raped Casa to make the fetus that would come across the egg apostle and become NeoGrifith?

This is all kekkaku
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>>101837374
There are people that do not really give a fuck about important details such as story or miura godlike drawings. They just pass through the pages for the sake of ending the manga and say 'there, i did read berserk'. Others, just over-analyze it and end up with their own twisted crazy theory and cant see the obvious, it really depends on the focus of the reader. The rest tho are only the dense retards among us
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>>101840802
Such is bromance, it explains the whole bros fucking other bros girls.

>No homo man but I really want to touch your dick.
>There is only one way to do this and keep up the facade!
>Indirect Dick Kissu!!
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>>101840046
>Its implied the skull knight was the old sacrifice of midland, right?
Without looking it up, it is implied that the Skull Knight is the former King Geiseric, and that he may have been part of the sacrifice that Void offered up when he ascended to the Godhand. There were many branded corpses in the dungeon where Griffith was being held prisoner from Geiseric's era.

>What is your favorite part?
Hard to say. I really love Berserk. Off the top of my head, I want to say Tower of Conviction. Mozgus was a great villain and there was a lot going on at that point in the story. The climax was also superb. Besides that, I really liked the Black Dog pursuit, Guts vs. Grunbeld, and all of Lost Children.

>Why is Fars such a Masochrist?
She had a very odd childhood. It's mainly what turned her into a raging, incestuous, hyper zealous sado-masochist. She's trying to get better though.
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>>101841533
>>101837374
Go into any Big3 thread and you will find people who cant figure out what a beard is.
Im talking about when Sabo was Luffys replacement Lucy. I remember at least 5 people throughout the week asking what the fuck the fake beard Sabo was wearing was.
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>>101837618
She is my last speck of humanity/hope/life/happiness or something like that.
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>>101841634
Thanks for replying back man.

>Skull Knight
Thats what I thought, I will probably re-read it again this coming weekend to get it all straight since I marathoned it this weekend.

>Favorite Part
It was a good arc, I really hated Mozgus and that whole setting because of how dark it was. Needless to say I think ti was the most fleshed out arc besides Gutts story.

>Fars
Yeah, it was explained, I was just upset because of how much development has been put into her.
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>>101841784
Thank you for giving me something besides Griffith to discuss, haha.

Yeah Farnese does seem to have gotten more character development than any of the rest of Guts' party. I honestly don't know if it'll be good or bad for her in the long run. I honestly believe that out of all the people traveling with Guts right now, she is the most likely to use the Behelit he's been carrying and become an apostle. That may even be the purpose behind making Roderick such a cool guy.

I also hated Mozgus, and Wyald too, but I often to find characters that I hate as people more interesting than those I like and actually root for.

I can try to find the page where they talk about King Geiseric during the Griffith rescue. Uhh... Lets see...Ah ha, here we go. It's explained over a lot of pages though. Here's where it starts.
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>>101842071
Supreme King Gaiseric. Looks like Geiseric is wrong, I'll have to train myself to stop spelling it that way.
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>>101842131
[SKULLKNIGHT INTENSEFIES]
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>>101842159
Built Midland and then five angels wrecked his shit. Or were there four? Who knows.
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>>101842233
Charlotte looks kind of cute, riding around on Guts' back. Reminds me of what Schierke does later. Guess Miura likes it when cute girls piggyback ride on big strong guys.
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>>101842320
Skullknight confirmed to have died a virgin.

Judeau pls no bully
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>>101842395
Almost to the grand finale.
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>>101842431
Humungous mountain of corpses in the ruins of ancient Midland, and what do you know...
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That was a fun thread



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