Schierke is the cutest girl of all time
dat ass too
you best be joking
>can't appreciate the ass of a loli
How do you even get out of bed without wanting to kill yourself?
>not liking delicious loli ass
seriously where in the hell do you think we are?
Loli or not she does have a pretty nice ass
who's that noble chick again? She got fugly after cutting her hair
I dunno but she got me pretty hard when she was trying to ride Dragonslayer
Farny is hot, faggots
I want to rub her on her weird place when she has a cold and needs to change her clothes.
please dont tickle the back of her knee. She sweats from there
Them dick suckin' lips.
Bitches love the Dragon Slayer
I can only imagine what guts is thinking at this point
Schierke's got it bad. Maybe even worse than Farnese.
She's also jealous of Casca, like Farnese, but...
She seems to have a better handle on it than Farnese did
Schierke's so cute it's fucking ridiculous
There's no doubt in my mind Miura at least has a semi-lolicon mindset
MASTER OF MOE
Superior italian genes
Probably one loli you don't want to mess with unless you wanna be impaled with something larger than your body
>its been 7000 years since the last chapter
Please someone shoop Sweaty Bertl in his place
Why doesn't miura do doujins on the side? He's really into the industry like tex mex, you'd think he'd be a regular.
>not wanting to fuck __Guts
a challenger appears
>wanting him to have even more distractions from just putting out new chapters
11/10 body and attitude
What's keeping him at the moment, anyway?
I want Schierke to pee on Guts.
Idolm@ster, depression, old age. The usual.
I think he's still writing Gigantomakhia.
How hard can it be to finish Berserk. Fuck.
I also like Schierke's brother/sister type interactions with Isidro.
I wanted Isidro to die right then
Nobody bullies my daughteru
So what are your thoughts on loli piss titan adventures?
>not future couple
>scene where Isidro fights for her
>acts like a tsundere
Jesus christ, Berserk has come along way
Well it ain't my cup of tea, but if it keeps Miura from quitting manga entirely...
I ship it
Except now there's Isma
I'd love to see Isidro pull that hat-hating bullshit on Monkey D. Luffy.
>GUTS! Isidro is poking me!
>I'm practicing my new technique
>SO HELP ME IF YOU TWO DON'T SHUT UP I'LL TURN THIS SHIP AROUND!
They're going to get so jealous when Guts Jr. joins the crew permanently.
Yeah, Berserk went to shit when Miura introduced that elf comic-relief character.
Guts Jr.'s dead m8 remember
I want a lolil to piss on me/10
That'd be sweet, but Isma is way in the lead to win the Isidro right now. Maybe when Isma dies.
> Guts we've been on this ship for years
He works less because it put him in hospital.
>I'M NOT PULLING OVER FOR DIRECTIONS, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING.
>Just stop by that island and ask for directions.
>No! The last time we did that I ended up fighting a sea monster!
>Oh my godhand, you're so reluctant!
Been waiting months to post this. Thank you /a/.
godammit araki, stop playing idolmaster
WHO WILL WIN THE ISIDRO
WHO IS BEST BERSERK
WILL THEY GET OFF THAT FUCKING BOAT
>Look here comes a passing ship, why don't we ask them if we're close?
>...I don't know. They look a little shifty, that racoon thin with the hat looks REALLY suspicious.
Casca is cured
But becomes gay for Farnese
This is the second time today I saw someone call a mangaka Araki, who is not Araki
Lot of Jojo readers recently or something?
Where do you guys get this info?
My Dad works for Miura
fuck, i need more coffee.
well, by the rate jojolion is going lets hope gappy doesn't get into a boat
It has just enough fat that it would be nice and supple for you to both grab and squeeze with ease.
Well there's only 1 chapter left and it's been a while since the last one, so that's probably complete by now, or something.
>RAPE ATTEMPTS THIS WEEK: [ ]
It's going to be one hell of a fight. Isidro manning up, givin' them 'gina tingles.
>she shinny but the ass was fat
A perfect balance of loli ass
You cheeki breeki.
>schierke will never fuck and marry guts as miura intended because he's too lazy to finish his series
fuck this shit
What if the character who spends the most time showing the group around elf island is a little girl elf?
>ishidoro and schierke are becoming pretty cool characters, i wonder what miura will do with th-
>introduces another loli
fuck you, i hope you really aren't making new chapters because you are ill
What? It looks like things are finally starting to「roll」.
>20 pounds of pussy and ass
>fuck and marry guts as miura intended
>implying Schierke won't teleport to Japan and meet young Miura
What if flower elf girl
I think every major character introduced from here on out is going to be a little girl of some variation
I know a lot of people hate these characters and these sort of scenes scenes polluting their serious, grimdark Berserk but dammit I can't help but love it.
Oh fuck me, I posted in the wrong tab.
WHAT IF, GUYS.
WHAT IF THE NEXT CHARACTER.
THE NEXT CHARACTER... IS A LITTLE SHOTA TRAP?
Oh wait no that's their ghost son. Well shit.
You mean since volume 1?
The only new character I don't like is Evarella
Vagabond's all serious but Inoue can't help get all shonen sometimes
>WHAT IF, GUYS.
Look at it this way. Gigantomakhia has been released on a monthly basis. This might also apply to Berserk when he returns to it.
And if totally has dingaling flapping around like a barbarian so shotafags got their fill
by responding with an image like that you're pulling the exact same shit.
They are still kids, you know.
So, is the tian powered by loli piss?
Cool as hell, I dig the wrestling tie-in.
Maybe once he finishes on Berserk he'll expand on this, right now it's feeling too thin.
It might, actually. We know that her piss has healing properties, so it may be linked to the same power she uses to transform him.
Oh I know, it's really cute, reminds of my little cousin when she fights some boy she likes and then acts all awkward and shit
Just saying it's come a long way from eternal bad end in every page for every character
In the next arc Puck is going to reveal that he can take on a human form like Isma does, using his true name because he's an Elf Prince. He'll be all the little shota trap you need.
I also want a scene where he tries to jump up on Guts' shoulder like when he's a pixie and Guts tells him to get the hell off.
Monthly releases, what a wonderful dream.
Isidro will be the next Gutts. He's becoming a bit of a badass since the boat
>Isidro will be the next Gutts
I'd think that's the last thing that should happen to anyone, being Gutts is suffering.
>Guts has to deal with 3 children
>A retarded waifu
>A crazy bitch stalker
>A jealous brother lusting after his sister
>2 annoying elves
Now you wanna make that 4 kids? Nigga's livin the hard life as it is
and that is exactly what should happen to isidro
They irony here is that the kids can do more than the adults-- excluding guts of course
i bet he's also only semi into piss
I wish Miura actually drew Puck. Some of my favorite moments in the series are during the Lost Children part, where Puck was reintroduced. He'd go Chestnut Puck sometimes, but most of the time he was normal. He was still cute and funny, even though he wasn't some deformed chibi blob.
I guess now that Guts has more people to talk to, Puck's been relegated to being an accessory of Isidro's instead of an actual character.
It's going to happen. It will start with Isma, then the qt witch as soon as she starts to fall for him gutts falls in the final chapter and his only resemblance of a family is gone. He will then begin is crusade which will eventually end in the same way, a continuing cycle of suffering
These entire arcs, all this happy, is just one big setup for suffering. Mark my words
None of the kids can beat Serpico in a duel.
>Farnese and Casca were both exceptional warriors.
>Both are now useless idiots.
Shierke could if she got the advantage. Isma could in the water
Isidro's got plot armor out the ass so probably a stalemate
Was Farnese ever really an exceptional warrior
I remember her as a spoiled sadist
>since the boat
He's been putting points on the man card since Enoch
Farnese was never a warrior. She would just schlick to suffering people and burnt corpse.
Farnese was never a sadist. She'd never do such a thing.
I'm sure he'll be focused on more once they reach Elf Island.
Man points? yes.
Actual talent worthy of the Gatts crew? Yes
Actual talent? Not till the boat
no, she wasn't.
and Casca was never better than an average man.
I remember Puck having the most varied facial expressions early on in the series. I miss those silly faces.
At least she got some bodies burning. What has she actually done in the past year? What has anyone done in the past year?
was anyone in hawk that great besides guts? It seemed like griffith was pretty much carrying everyone
They where the most ridiculous faces
She is only ever described as an ornamental head. Hell her leadership is mocked multiple times.
Nothing at all.
Haha, oh wow.
Casca was #3 warrior in the band, after Griffith and Guts.
Objectively, pretty much everyone in the band was above average.
>...bleating she-goat mocked even by her own men
The Raiders where great, as where the leaders like the fat guy, the blonde ponytail guy, Casca, etc.
I mean they had relatively few casualties and won against armies 10x their size. They where stacked, especially the raiders
casca's stupid fucking face gets me every time i see that
>dude I'm so fucking high right now
Yeah, Farnese could never fight worth shit. MOST of the Holy Iron Chain Knights weren't very good in a fight. It was mostly made up of the second sons of nobles and well to do aristocrats.
Farnese had Azan and Serpico to play the heavy when necessary, everyone else ranged from decent to mediocre and she was the weakest of the whole bunch. Just a figurehead.
Is this an actual thing? Please tell me it's not. I don't want an older Gatts
>we want the Call of Duty audience
Theresia is going to kill Guts in the end.
Too bad one on one duels are practically useless.
Farnese was never an exceptional warrior. She led that group of knights because of a custom that needed a female leader, and because of her dad.
Farnese is a useless fighter.
Fucking cunt. Dad is a demon willing to sacrifice you and you hate your savior
10 years later, and I'm still impressed. That shit carried me through middle school.
Nah If I'm remembering right Miura did it for kicks as part of a promotional re-release of some version of the manga.
I have it saved so I can look at it 20 years from when I saved it and laugh really hard... then cry even harder.
Who knows maybe Miura will surprise me and suddenly start getting chapters out at a decent pace.. maybe guys... maybe...
>Willing to sacrifice you
Did you read that? Her dad was actually a very relateable and tragic character
You say that just because she's a woman.
Remember that before Guts came, she was still living a "normal" life with her dad, which she didn't know was a demon.
And on top of that, he wasn't even gonna sacrifice her. He had his chance, but didn't do it.
except he didn't sacrifice her
he was about to, but he backed out and got swallowed up by the vortex of damned souls
about the closest thing to decent he ever did
I wonder how old she'd be in the story now?
Wrong. Casca was a VERY skilled swordsman. Pit against Judeau, Corkus or Pippin she would emerge the victor in a duel. Against an average male soldier or mercenary she'd mop the floor with them effortlessly.
The Band of the Hawk was a rag tag group, but its soldiers were mostly above average fighters and their leadership and tactics made them phenomenal. They scored high in all areas.
This guy remembers!
And to clarify, the reason he went to hell was cause he refused to sacrifice her. He went to a life of eternal pain and suffering, turning away imortality, for the sake of keeping his daughter alive and safe. That was likely one of the darkest chapters
This, majority of my built up hatred I had for the count vanished when I learned about his backstory, that shit eating grin his wife gives him knowing she still has the power to manipulate him made me rage with the red hot passion of a few thousand suns.
except for a couple days every month
It was a surprisingly well written and thought out twist. I really felt for the guy
Why's Berserk's universe so grimdark, again?
It's probably been a few years, so maybe around Shierke's ag-
Jesus christ, I just realized Guts is building himself a loli harem
It's not anymore. It's actually really bright since they grouped up, but like I said earlier, I'm pretty sure it's just preparing for a worse fall than before
I haven't caught up with Berserk in years, but it always stuck out to me that she, Guts, and Puck were the only named characters to survive the first three volumes, and she hasn't shown up again.
No, even then she's above average.
>The Blacksmith's 'kid'
Dear lord they are everywhere
Rickert called dibs on her
Unfortunately Midol didn't exist back then. Hell, she didn't even have access to basic ibuprofen or naproxen. She just had to man the fuck up and ride them cramps out while traveling on horseback and fighting grown men.
Of course no one gives a shit if you're sick on the battlefield, but I don't envy her situation.
You know, they've lived alone together for a while. They've probably "experimented" a lot already.
>Implying Rickert doesn't lose his fucking mind when he sees Gryfith and gets himself killed
You underestimate the power of the loli
The loli is his only hope.
That bottom panel reminds me of femto every time. Fucking Miura.
>Guts vs. Griffith
>everyone else is busy fighting
>battle is going bad for Guts
>about to get skewered by Griffith
>AND THEN OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE JILL CHOPS GRIFFITHS HEAD OFF
I don't remember this girl.
His dick wasn't so femto, uh, Caska?
forgive me padre
Jill from the Lost Children chapter/arc she was friends with the Moth/Elf Apostle.
The girl who was, uh, friends with the other lesbian girl. The one that turned into a monster.
I'm more expecting him to take up Griffith's earlier offer and rejoin the Band of the Hawk. Whether he'll be a double agent or earnestly follow Griffith again is another question, though. I'd flip my shit if he wound up sacrificing Erica and became a Neo-Hawk Apostle captain.
Ah, yes. I remember her now. Was Rosine actually a lesbian, though?
>SO HELP ME IF YOU TWO DON'T SHUT UP I'LL TURN THIS SHIP AROUND!
ANYTHING BUT THAT!
Wow that actually sounds fucking evil. Why would you even think of that?
As lesbian as Griffith is gay
Was for >>101834444
Nice quads, by the way.
Could you imagine if Rickert became a full member of the Neo Hawks and Guts had to kill him? Can you imagine the betrayal? The suffering of having to kill one the last of your old comrades?
It would be glorious.
This scene foreshadows it a tiny bit, and now with Rickert heading right into Griffith's hands. Mmm...I can almost taste the agony to come.
He won't sacrifice her, but he might side with Griffith
So she's straight, then.
It's just girl love yo
AKA the purest form of love
This is inevitably going to be used by /v/ermin to "prove" that /a/ doesn't discuss "real" manga but only discusses "moe".
I'm not sure, I think she was just weirdly possessive of what was pretty much one of her last ties to her old life and her time spent as an Apostle had kind of done away with her sense of human boundaries/etiquette.
Trust me, you wouldn't say that if you were a girl.
Where in the unholy name of god did you get those scans? Please tell me.
What, it's hard to be a cute girl that loves other cute girls?
>tfw you realize that Serpico probably could have demolished Golden Age Griffith.
Not necessarily, but there's nothing "pure" about it.
Don't worry, Miura will being back edgy shit after it goes the JRPG route, after we get off the boat, obviously.
He's basically the second most skilled human we've seen so far.
No quads, she was not. Rosine even said Guts was super hunky and she can understand why Jill got the tingles down there for him.
She was super possessive of Jill in the same way a girl might be possessive of her favorite doll. It wasn't romantic, it just reminded her of the innocence of her youth. Jill represented the last shred of humanity left in her the way Theresia did for the Count.
Looking for page...found page.
You are now imagining bad end where Rosine domesticates Guts and keeps him around to teach Jill about the birds and the fairies.
With magic yeah, without magic, nope
He's probably a better swordsman than Guts. It's just that he can't even compare to him on a physical level.
>without magic, nope
Griffith was completely outclassed by Guts even before he spent a year training in the forest.
Serpico is fast enough to trade blows with Guts after he spent 4 years hunting apostles.
Hold that thought for about a decade or so because Serpico is actually going to be the one who's going to demolish Griffith's Millennium Arc. You'll see. Maybe not on a one on one but more on a grand scale.
He'll be the general of an army of merc that will destroy Griffith's dream.
Why else would he be foreshadowed to be a tactician on Griffith's level?
Griffith could do some insane bullshit with his faggot sword but Serpico seems to be the one with better reflex. Might be a draw, no clue.
>Griffith was completely outclassed by Guts even before he spent a year training in the forest.
That's bullshit. Griffith was never outclassed by Guts. Guts just got lucky that Griffith's sword broke, that's all. Golden Age Griffith could beat Guts and Serpico (without magic) as long as he fights seriously.
His skill with a sword isn't that far above Guts, if it's above Guts' level at all. Their styles are vastly different so it's difficult to compare. What Serpico relies on isn't just swordsmanship, but also an incredibly agile and tactical mind. He's a lot like Griffith in that way, but nowhere near Griffith's level on that front.
Griffith confronted Guts face to face, Serpico used cheap tactics
>Those award-winning dick sucking lips
>Serpico is probably the only guy (human, at least) to actually dodge a swing from Guts
>mfw his eyes open when he jumps over the dragonslayer
You're close to the truth but far off.
See, Rickert is, in the Berserk universe, a special oriented person. His skills in blacksmiths are above human level while still being human, so he'll be needed for the final fight against Griffith.
What's going to happen is that Rickert is going to lose his fucking mind when he finds out that Erika was ''sacrificed''
There's no way Erika isn't going to die in the near future.
Can anyone explain Gutts' behavior post-eclipse?
I'm talking about the first few volumes; before the Golden Age arc, where his behavior is different from later volumes detailing post-eclipse.
Griffith would have done the same thing in his position, and probably would have done it better and won. He's all about taking advantage of every aspect of the terrain, his opponent's strengths and weaknesses, anything and everything.
The main reason he lost so badly to Guts is because he wasn't fighting with a clear head. He was going full yandere at the time and wasn't thinking straight. Not that Guts had no chance otherwise, but the situation wasn't in Griffith's favor.
And yes, Griffith would demolish Tower of Conviction Serpico, who I'd compare more to Silat's level.
>Serpico used cheap tactics
All is fair in combat.
Serpico is both Guts and Griffith.
He has Griffith's skill but doesn't think lowly of himself to use cheap tactics to win, like Guts.
It was like a prototype Guts. Miura just decided to change him later. It's as simple as that.
>Guts just got lucky that Griffith's sword broke
Griffith basically acknowledged that if he couldn't take him out at the first exchange, he was done.
He tried to deflect the blade, but Guts was just too strong.
Serpico has proved that he can move faster and fight with a greater level of skill.
Griffith lost to Guts when Guts was much weaker.
Guts armor saved his life in the pillar fight. Serpico landed numerous strikes to his neck and chest that were blocked by the armor. He even kept up when Guts switched styles to allow him to use more speed.
>Griffith would demolish Tower of Conviction Serpico, who I'd compare more to Silat's level.
Serpico was on a different level.
I don't think so. Griffith was owned. He underestimated how much Guts had grown over his time with the hawk, and thought he'd be able to deflect his sword. Not only that but Guts had the discipline to not kill Griffith. Griffith would not have been able to afford such a courtesy.
Plus it makes sense considering how Guts is the leader of the raiders/the strongest aspect of the Hawk. Guts would see much more battle than Griffith. In almost every Golden age Guts beats Golden age Griffith.
The theme seems completely different pre-golden age (and in my opinion, much more interesting). I think it's simply a case of only the manga's direction changing.
I made a huge post about it in some other thread a while ago. Basically the wound is still fairly fresh at that point and Guts is actively trying to convince himself that he has a heart of stone, and can fight for revenge with no thought for anyone that gets hurt along the way.
This breaks down rather dramatically after the fight with the Count (where he nearly burst into tears) and since that point in the story, throughout Lost Children he slowly climbs out of that deep dark pit he was lost in. Then comes Casca rescue arc where he really starts to reassess what's important to him.
Of course those demons still haunt him, now in the form of a little black dog that tells him to go back to the way he was during Black Swordsman for keeps.
Lots of internal conflict for our intrepid hero, Guts.
>my neck hurts
>why aren't I murdering things
>Casca pls be untarded ;-;
>Griffith was never outclassed by Guts
He was majorly outclassed. The entire build up to the sacrifice was Griffith realizing Guts outclasses him in every way. Everyone started looking up to Guts and Griffith got mad jelly. Then Guts just leaves cause he rather do his own thing, Griffith challenges him to a duel and gets completely dominated. That's why he went and goofed up his plan to take that dudes Kingdom by raping his daughter to early. He felt like he was losing everything he had so he tried to grab his dream before it was to late and failed.
Griffith is much more intelligent than Serpico. In order for this to work, Griffith must be unrealistically handicapped.
Oh man, that actually made me laugh.
Yes. Look at your picture again.
>my sword still wont last two or three strikes
He knew the problem was his weapon+the fact that he had to fight cautiously to not kill Guts.
If he had actually fought to kill, he would have won. He could have just dodged any of Guts' blows and then sliced his neck off.
Griffith basically let Guts win.
>If he had actually fought to kill
And if Guts?
Now, what about Guts?
Doesn't he say in the next page that it won't matter if he kills him, as long as he doesn't leave?
>why isn't my waifu sword hugging me?
Check the next page, landwhale.
Griffith is resolved.
If he can't have Guts, he was prepared to kill him.
I know that your crush won't let you admit that Griffith was outclassed, but he fucking was.
This, described perfectly. His friend betrayed him and sacrificed all of his friends when Guts finally felt as if he found a family. Its only natural that he would start shutting people out after that.
>Oh god where did I forget my bag
Griffith would still have won... Remember, we're talking about the guy who sliced of Zodd's entire arm in one blow with a tiny sword.
This doesn't prove anything. Griffith still went with the "hit his shoulder" plant, exactly because he didn't want him to die.
And why are you calling me a landwhale now? I'm underweight.
Guess that's why he was so okay with Guts winning
I don't disagree with you that Griffith was outclass but I don't think that's why he fucked up his whole plan.
He liked Guts more then he realized, so when he went to get gain his own dream and Griffith finally realized hoe much he truly needed Guts he went postal.
It was a pretty heavy handed way to show that Griffith was bi sexual or at least gay for Guts.
Who would win between Isidro and Golden age Casca?
Casca is on her period and Isidro intends to rape her if he wins, Guts is nearby to save her.
Did you miss the point where Guts was able to beat him without killing him. He was able to do what Griffith could not. They both held themselves to the same handicap, and Guts still came out on top.
Nah, those chapters are still an important part of his evolution.
Serpico never took Guts on head on without some sort of plan to weaken him. He did this because he was smart enough to know that he was entirely outclassed in open combat. You're putting WAAAAAY too much emphasis on his swordsmanship and physical ability to the exclusion of his tactical mind. That's where Serpico's real strength lies.
On the other hand, Silat and Griffith both challenged Guts without first luring him into a position where he couldn't fight at his fullest and both of them were a match.
He might be slightly better than Silat, but not by that much. This is only taking into account combat skill as opposed to strategy where Serpico seems to have the upper hand.
You guys are really overestimating my man's strength and skill. He's no slouch, but that's not where his bread and butter is, at least until he gets magic to back them up.
Fun fact: Serpico was skillful enough to deflect a thrust from the Dragonslayer.
In a fight where Guts literally said he was too good to hold back against.
As opposed to the Griffith fight, where Griffith was resolved to kill, but Guts held his strike and never intended to kill in the first place.
(sorry about the hawkscan, files are on other computer)
Casca, is this even a question?
Actually, Griffith could not win both due to fate and individual skill.
See, on a global scale, there is snow, movement is limited and Griffith absolutely does not want Guts dead. So even if the possibility of killing Guts exist, Griffith had no solution.
Hell, Griffith's plan is so out of place and bizarre it makes me wonder why he even accepted the challenge since his margin of victory was practically impossible.
But then you have to also take into account Gut's strength having grown over the years. Griffith's didn't count of that.
So basically, due to fate and free will, by both working together and on their own, Griffith could not win.
If there was no snow, it might have been a fair fight, but fate does not give any room for chance.
>yfw you realize that if Griffith had been smart enough to try this move, Guts never would have been able to leave
How was it lucky? The whole point of that scene was to emphasize how far Guts had come since their first duel.
He's gotten so damn strong a parry would never work on him again. He's not some bull you can dance around with a red cape; if you see the sword swinging, move out of the fucking way. It has nothing to do with luck.
No, he had decided that it didn't matter whether or not his blade killed Guts. He was fighting to win. He lost.
>This doesn't prove anything
Because you're goddamn blind to motivation and story?
Fun fact: Should a person in real life be burned to the same extent as Guts has, they would have serious health issues, hidratation problems, failing kidneys, and blood toxicity.
A stab and a downward slash are very different anon
>Griffith cut his arm off.
Yea, using team work. Read the page, I think you're just attempting to troll now.
Also his "hit the shoulder" plan would have killed Guts if he parried. Which he did, and notice in >>101835633 Griffith says "Good!!" He wanted Guts to die.
He didn't so much as deflect but scraped barely by touching the edge and using it to dodge.
Though the fact he even was able to do that is impressive.
Both can be sidestepped.
And Guts was obviously much faster and more powerful during his fight with Serpico.
The Guts that Griffith LOST to was much less skilled than the Guts that Serpico stood against.
Bro, stop it. Just stop it.
Is there a name for this type of art? Could've sworn there was.
I meant that he let him win by accident, by fear to kill him, not purposely.
Yes, because Guts' sword is so thick compared to Griffith's. It wasn't Guts' skill, it was just the weapons used.
I already explained that. >>101835500
No, I'm not, and I explained that too.
>Yea, using team work.
I never denied that. My point is that he was strong enough to slice such a huge thing with such a small weapon. Not even Guts' could slice off Zodd's arm in one blow, despite having a much bigger weapon.
>He wanted Guts to die.
This is Guts we're talking about, his skin is probably as tough as iron by now
>Implying Guts wouldn't be able to cut off Zodds arm is it was lying there waiting for it to happen.
Guts literally had to fight the strongest appostle by himself. Griffith gets knocked out like a bitch instantly. I don't even know why there is an argument.
You're not that Griffith fag who has all these false notions about how Griffith really is the mesiah and that he turned good post eclipse, are you?
Not sure what it's called but I wish the artist made more
>Bro, stop it. Just stop it.
Stop what? That was my first post. Or is it that you can't handle someone pointing out the obvious homo overtones to Griffith's character.
>But becomes gay for Farnese
But Farnese is gay for Schrieke
>nobody is gay for Guts
>not even his white haired former homofriend is gay for him anymore
Being Guts is suffering
Hmm, I'll try to find them again for you.
There you go. I mean uh, enjoy your spoonfeeding pleb! Grrr next time just google Berserk Darkhorse Scans you ninny! Grrr get out, lurk more, grrr!
>He's gotten so damn strong a parry would never work on him again
I'm not even sure why someone would even try that if this man can swing a slab of metal with incredible speed and ease
If Guts had fought Serpico at the hill instead of Griffith, he most likely would have lost.
During the fight under the castle, Guts metal arm and armor prevent many strikes that would have otherwise ended the fight.
People can talk about how the environment was too his advantage, but he also had to deal with a FAR more powerful Guts.
That's alright, he's grooming a bunch of girls to be his future waifu
and if Casca's rape gave him a hankering for NTR
>I meant that he let him win by accident
Nice backpedal. Griffith was fighting to win, even if it killed Guts. He flat out says as much.
I think it's unfair that Griffith has Sonia and Charlotte wanting to fuck.
But Guts is #1 cause he has Schierke wanting to fuck.
To tell the truth, i tought those weren't the scans. I remember that some anon edited the versions of some torrent but stopped (these http://www.mediafire.com/-berserk-) Then, some other guy started editing more volumes, but i didn't save the link. But if those are the scans i'm searching for, then thanks a lot.
1) From now on only lolis will be attracted to you, and you will only be allowed to have romantic relations with them
2) From now on only Griffith/Femto will be attracted to you, and you will only get to have romantic relations with him
Reminder that Griffith was a whiny scrub who lost because he got lazy.
Their weapons were perfectly suitable; they were the weapons that both parties used since the beginning, they both reflect the wielders personality.
Griffith, like his rapier, is precise, and knows where it wants to go. But its thin, and can easily break, causing his downfall.
Guts' sword is strong and thick. It is wild, and even somewhat aimless. It cannot be broken, like Guts' will.
How strong could a thin rapier even be, anyways? It played it perfectly.
>to slice such a huge thing with such a small weapon
The thicker the blade is, the harder it is to cut with. The thinner the blade, the easier it is to cut with. Weight doesn't play as much of a factor considering that Guts sword weighs at most 15 pounds, and Griffiths maybe 5. Guts is physically stronger than Griffith.
Dude, Serpico is fucking terrified of Guts. He would have never done that, because that's an easy way for him to die
>there are people arguing that someone could defeat Guts now
Guts wipes the floor with everything even when he's half dead. Serpico can't beat him, Zodd can't beat him, and Griffith got beaten by him so hard he joined the God Hand.
It wasn't a rapier.
It was a saber.
And it broke because of Guts strength, not due to some metallurgical issue.
They're the scans I posted in the post you quoted. I hope they're satisfactory.
The God Hand pretty much spelled everything out for her.
Don't forget that the only time they fought Serpico chose a place where he had the advantage, and he still lost.
Thanks. I wish i had a reaction image of some cute anime girl but i'm not in my computer right now.
I think it's definitely inspired by art-noveau. I love this stuff.
>yfw "God" is revealed to be an alternate to the IoE and is pretty much the Xenogear's version expy
Which is to say, a nice guy but doesn't do anything.
Again, I really feel you're underestimating Serpico's genius tactical mind in favor of trying to pump up his warrior pedigree.
If he fought Guts in an open area like Griffith did, no magic, I truly do not think Serpico would have won.
> Griffith gets knocked out like a bitch instantly.
He got a full swing from Zodd's tail and hit a stone pillar at full force. That's not exactly being a bitch.
>I don't even know why there is an argument.
Guts hit Zodd's arm in the same panel. He didn't slice off his whole arm. He also hit human-Zodd on the shoulder and only got a few inches inside.
>You're not that Griffith fag who has all these false notions about how Griffith really is the mesiah and that he turned good post eclipse, are you?
No. I'm a Griffithfag who believes that he was a really good guy before the Eclipse, and that Femto is bad.
Griffith is totally straight.
There's no backpedal, you just misunderstood me at first. Yes, he was fighting to win, but he wasn't fighting to kill. If he had been, he would have won.
Yes, they were perfectly suitable in a fair battle to the death. Here, Griffith was very disadvantaged.
>sword weighs at most 15 pounds
Are you serious? Just no.
I'm pretty sure we're agreeing with each other.
Saber, Rapier. Whatever. Still thin as fuck compared to thousandlimbs.
Griffith apologists, everyone.
>Serpico is fucking terrified of Guts
No he isn't.
The thing he fears most is that Guts will end up murdering his half-sister.
He respects Guts' strength and acknowledges it greater than his own.
This is not the face of a man who fears his opponent.
Didn't he try that at least twice?
I remember him picking a fight on the narrow ledge outside the Beelzebub cavern with the orgy. Serpico thinking the narrow walking space would restrict Guts' movements. Then again under the city when surrounded by pillars since Guts couldn't swing his huge sword in an arc and would be forced to thrust.
This guy should do the movie posters
I thought his wife was sacrificed?
I don't remember that happening.
Not him, and I'm far too lazy to find the page, but in another fight Serpico is shitting bricks when he tries to use some stone columns as cover and Guts fucking smashes them.
Everyone was a stepping stone for Griffith, though he had respect for all of them. Only when reduced to a retard did he truly desire Casca and found Guts a good friend a couple months into joining.
That's some straight up beautiful artwork.
Guts had no intention of killing Griffith.
Griffith considered killing Guts, yet still lost. I don't know how many times people are going reword what I said to get it through your head, but Griffith got wrecked like the bitch he was.
There is nothing more to discuss.
>Are you serious? Just no.
You're right. It's probably less than that. You have no idea how heavy swords really are do you? They are a lot lighter than you think, since, y'know, they have to actually be usable. Look up the approximate weight for a greatsword. Go on, I'll wait.
That was their first fight, though.
I just re-read it.
At no point is Serpico terrified.
>good before the Eclipse
Fuck, you're deluded. Sure, he's a good guy, but he's not the Good Guy. He's selfishly absorbed in achieving his dream and sees the Hawks as his pawns to be sacrificed. He spells it out at Charlotte's birthday when talking about what a friend was to him. Of course that alienated Guts, since Guts didn't see himself as Griffith's equal, even though Griffith did.
That led to Guts leaving and the duel. And there, Griffith tried his hardest to stop Guts from leaving. The point was to show that no matter how much Griffith wanted it, he couldn't have Guts. Guts had surpassed him in skill, even if he was too dull to realized it.
Then Griffith was a ninny who had to run to Charlotte for some rebound sex.
Noooooo I don't want this thread to turn into another Griffith hate lynchmob. Dammit, can we talk about uh.. Lets talk about.. Irvine! Irvine and his weird reverse centaur dog gazelle form thing.
Is it just me or are they setting up Irvine to betray the Hawks for Sonia's sake?
>Griffith hate lynchmob
To be fair...HE FUCKING DESERVES IT.
Griffith's sword seems much more like a saber to me.
>Griffith did nothing wrong!
>actually believing this
PLEASE GOD NO, WE ARE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN
I'M FUCKING SICK OF EVERY BERSERK THREAD WITH YOU TWO ARGUING ABOUT GRIFFITH
TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, FUCK I'LL EVEN START A THREAD JUST FOR YOU GUYS
>another Griffith hate lynchmob.
Are you implying that Griffith isn't a horrible person and doesn't deserve every ounce of hate he's received?
>Then Griffith was a ninny who had to run to Charlotte for some rebound sex.
Then gives up like a punk when he gets surrounded.
The basic fact is, Griffith just isn't as strong willed as Guts.
It's the same fucking Griffith apologist every time too. He can fucking sense berserk threads and feels like he must defend his husbandu.
Guts' sword would be incredibly heavy. Let's take a Scottish Lowlander's Sword as a base, which is just under six feet long and a little under seven pounds.
http://www.swordsfromspain.com/Paul_Chen_Scottish_Lowlander_Sword_by_Hanwei_p/cash2065.htm Guts' early sword is about that long, maybe more. He also repeatedly says his sword is three times as thick as a normal sword, so we're at about 20 pounds. At least.
Then there's the Dragon Slayer, which would clock in at over 100 pounds if it really were the six-foot long, one-foot wide slab of metal it's shown to be.
>It wasn't Guts' skill, it was just the weapons used.
>Not even Guts could slice off Zodd's arm in one blow, despite having a much bigger weapon.
If Griffith is so much more incredibly skilled than Guts that he could chop off Zodd's arm with his sword, why couldn't Griffith deflect Guts' sword in their duel?
Seriously, Neiru, you aren't making any sense here.
It's a landwhale.
I remember when she was posting shit about how Casca didn't really love Guts and how Griffith was the good guy.
At the time, she hadn't even finished the manga.
She repeats the same bullshit everytime.
To be fair, he did have a dozen pikes at his neck and he left what was left of his sword out by the tree where Guts broke it.
Serpico is good at hiding his fear then isn't he? The only reason he's alive is because Guts doesn't feel like killing him. Stop riding his dick, Guts wipes the floor with him every time they fight even when he's at a disadvantage.
Actually, it weighs something like 400-500 pounds due to its thickness and overall size.
Dude, just watch his face
Totally composed. He's putting his hand on his chest to...uh, scratch an itch. Yeah.
He's monster and you know it, he's just a handsome monster.
>b-b-b-because he didn't want to kill him even though on the next page it says he does
>tfw we'll never see batshit Farnese schlicking off to burning people alive again
>Guts doesn't feel like killing him
In the first fight, Guts isn't holding back, tries to kill him multiple times.
Second fight: Guts even says he wasn't holding back because Serpico is too skilled.
That isn't the point guys. Really, every single Berserk thread always turns out like this eventually. I realize Griffith is a fascinating and controversial character and I love discussing him too, but this is ridiculous. It has this horrible tendency to turn into a flame war that drowns out everything else.
It's not anyone's fault, really. We've been so starved for anything new to talk about with this series that I guess it's inevitable.
I didn't want to go into the maths, but yeah, iron is fucking heavy, though I doubt that heavy. This guy makes Cloud's Buster Sword, which is about the same thickness, but smaller width and length, but it comes out at a little over 70 pounds.
I'm not a Griffith apologist because he never did anything he had to apologize for.
So? I don't see how that's related to what I said.
>Guts had no intention of killing Griffith.
I never denied that.
>Griffith considered killing Guts, yet still lost.
He went with the plan that was the least likely to kill him.
Real life great swords weren't as thick as Guts'.
> and sees the Hawks as his pawns to be sacrificed.
Not really. He whored himself so less of them would have to die for him.
>He spells it out at Charlotte's birthday when talking about what a friend was to him.
He wasn't serious. He was bullshitting Charlotte to appear cool and badass. Proof: he really freaked out when Guts actually wanted to be his equal, and he was able to offer the entire Band as a sacrifice, meaning he had to love by them definition.
Because Griffith's sword was too weak.
>about how Casca didn't really love Guts
What? When did I say that? You must be thinking of someone else. Link me to my post in the archive.
Doesn't the mermaid suffer a terrible fate?
>he never did anything he had to apologize for
>he never did anything he had to apologize for.
I can't... I can't go on. Stupidity of this density is the stuff of neutron stars.
At the end of the fight, does Guts kill Serpico? No? Because I'm pretty sure Guts won when they fought. And since Guts is such a nice guy, he let Serpico live.
Ishidoro? More like Ishitoro.
She hasn't yet. I expect Roderick to die before her though.
A cubic meter of steel weighs about 8 tons, +-1 ton.
The sword is, let's 6 feet long * 1 feet wide * 3 inches thick, maybe a bit less. I'll round down. Let's assume light alloy, 7 tons/m^3.
Metric calculation ahead (1 inch is 2.54cm, but these are all ballpark figures) :
180 cm * 30cm * 7.5cm = 40500 cm^3
1 m^3 = 1000 000 cm^3 -> 40500 cm^3 = 0,0405 m^3
0,0405 m^3 * 7000kg/m^3=283.5 kg or 625 pounds
Minus roughly 200 to account for thinning around the edged of the blade.
Also, I work as a brake-press operator. When we get steel parts around that size, we use the shop crane to move them around due to the weight.
>He went with the plan that was the least likely to kill him
But he said he didn't care if he killed Guts.
>Not really. He whored himself so less of them would have to die for him.
Which is why he allows them to be sacrificed in the eclipse and the only reason that Guts and Casca survive is because Griffith rapes Casca and insists that Guts' watches before he dies?
You are delusional.
Wow, you pull brakes.
Whoop-dee fucking do. That doesn't give you authority to write nonsensical calculations on an online anonymous imageboard.
>I'm not a Griffith apologist because he never did anything he had to apologize for.
Lets for the purpose of this thread assume you have a significant other (boyfriend, girlfriend, you get the idea). Let us say I manged to get some bros of mine to pin you to the ground and force you to watch as I rape the ever living fuck out of your other. Now tell me I have nothing to apologize for.
Y'know, the best Griffith apologists aren't actually Griffith apologists, they simply find him fascinating and a really deep character, who has clear motives and morals.
The same person who is in all of these threads is not the good kind of Griffith apologist.
>Wow, you pull brakes.
That's not what a brake-press is.
I bend shit.
Also, feel free to check the math.
>But he said he didn't care if he killed Guts.
Griffith said several lies throughout the story. He's one of those guys who hate admitting that he has feelings towards other people.
>Which is why he allows them to be sacrificed in the eclipse
Taken out of context.
>is because Griffith rapes Casca and insists that Guts' watches before he dies?
That was Femto. I don't really like that guy either.
That was Femto.
By the way, I just found this.
>THEIR STRENGTH IS EQUALLY MATCHED!
Wait a moment, I just finished berserk. People really struggled to understand this point? I picked up on the progression naturally.
>I'm not a Griffith apologist because he never did anything he had to apologize for.
Femto = Griffith you cocksucker.
Please stop replying to the Griffith apologist so we can have a better thread.
Not him, but there's no reason to get butthurt.
This guy made a buster sword out of ALUMINUM and it weighs 75~ pounds. Gut's sword would be impossibly heavy.
>implying Judeau knows what he's talking about
You really grasp at straws, bitch.
He had an ordinary sword when he fought Griffith you fuckwit. Christ you're stupid.
She just wants to hatefuck him like every other female.
>That was Femto
Oh man nigga, you decided to live inside that hole you dug, didn't you?
Okay, let's use an analogy for how Griffith values the Hawks. Are you old enough to drive? I'd fucking hope so. Okay, now imagine you get your first car. It's a piece of shit Honda you got off Craigslist for 500 bucks but fuck it, it gets you where you want to go, even if it rattles and shakes all the way. After years of good service, you love your car because it's what gets you around town. Now let's say, the Mythbusters show up and offer you a brand new Italian sportscar, let's say a Ferrari 458, if you let them blow it up. You'd even get to press the button to detonate the explosion.
Now, what would you do? This is the clunker that clunked you to and from work every day for the past five years. You know every inch of that worn out body and all the holes in every seat and all the stains in the upholstery.
Would you really turn down the chance for that Ferrari for THAT old Honda? Of course Griffith wouldn't.
You're talking like Guts was trying to kill him
>Guts sword weighs at most 15 pounds
are you seriously telling me that massive slab of iron weighs as much as a bag of cat food?
Your analogy is shit.
That's a fucking terrible analogy and you know it.
Also, the 458 is shit.
Rather have a C7 Z06.
But his Honda was made of people.
Is he talking about Dragon Slayer or his first sword? His first sword was just some average shitty greatsword that everyone in Guts first merc band used. It is normal by any means.
>He went with the plan that was the least likely to kill him.
No. No, no, no, no, no. No. Griffith came up with one plan, which might have ended in Guts dying, but Griffith would rather have Guts dead than be with someone else.
Not sure if you guys realize this but he's basically Griffith-lite in combat.
And then windy magic horse shit.
He's talking about Guts' first sword that he had with the Hawks, not the Dragon Slayer.
How do you kill Griffith?
So would you guys fuck Guts
I would, no homo
What the fuck did Guts say back then which made her and Farnese so sad?
Are you from /v/?
/v/ is infamous for its terrible analogies.
>Griffith-lite in combat.
From what we've seen, he's more like Griffith+.
Smart enough not to fight Guts in a fucking empty field.
For all your >griffithfag apologists/defenders needs
Guts will use the dragonslayer as a spear
Deus Ex Machina
Guts' first sword isn't normal. It's far larger than normal since he started by using an adult sword as a kid and just scaled up as he got bigger.
It's the truth. ALL the other apostles had a personality change towards evil when they became apostles. Why would it be different for Griffith? Do you guys even read the manga?
Judeau is one of the smartest guys in the story, and he knows both Griffith and Guts well.
The sword weight discussion was related to the battle with Zodd, not the duel. That's a different matter.
What the other people said.
He could have come up with plans that were sure to kill Guts instead, but he didn't.
Fuck, this is Femto.
Why did they have to use CGI in the movies?
I don't know why anyone is getting attached to these characters.
Mirua is just prolonging their life so their deaths will be more painful.
No. I'd go gay for Kyousuke though.
No, I'd never visit that shithole.
Fine, you can have it. Just blow up your old car made of people.
I've really come to like Roderick's character a lot since he was introduced. That suave and dashing personality, and he's been able to keep a cool head and deal with some pretty bizarre situations. That whole heroic, adventurous sailor thing. He's pretty damned cool.
I'm gonna be sad when he inevitably dies. I just know he's being set up for it but I can't help but get a little attached. What say you all? If he wasn't introduced just to die later, do you think he can win the Farnese?
Fun fact: This sword is actually LONGER than the Dragonslayer.
This blade is longer than Guts is tall, whereas the Dragonslayer isn't
>tfw I know deep inside I'll have to watch Schierke die at some point if he ever continues this series
I don't even care anymore, just as long as something fucking happens, some new fucking material.
GRIFFITH IS FEMTO
FEMTO IS GRIFFITH
BATMAN IS BRUCE WAYNE
THEY'RE THE SAME! THEY'RE THE FUCKING SAME!
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE
Yea you are right, Griffith and Femto are completely different people.
>having the balls to kill off lolis
This is fucking perfect.
>BATMAN IS BRUCE WAYNE
You guys are really underestimating how batshit crazy Griffith actually was.
But then he went bonkers and decided to fight a STR build in a muscle contest.
>ALL the other apostles had a personality change towards evil when they became apostles
How do you figure?
By ALL you mean The Count and Rosine?
Because that's not "all".
Not to mention that Griffith literally switches back and forth between the two forms.
AND HE ISN'T A FUCKING APOSTLE.
Because Studio 4C is shit.
Because it was cheaper than having good art.
Here's a better question, when are the Lost Children and Tower of Conviction arcs going to be animated?
>Bruce Wayne is Batman
What a fucking crazy idea.
It's actually a magical sword that changes sizes depending on the panel it's in.
Seriously read the series again and watch it, it's a sly bastard.
That's just the illusion he wants you to believe.
Schierke will have a torture far worse than Griffith.
I hope you mean by computers!
>Seriously read the series again and watch it, it's a sly bastard.
Oh, I know.
Miura can't remember the basic shape half the time, let alone the length and width.
Did it ever say that he switched swords? I know that it broke once but I'm pretty sure he just switched it out for a sword of the same size. The sword he had as a child was just a normal greatsword though. He never asks for anything bigger until Dragon Slayer.
Wow, public urination, big whoop
i really wish you'd just stop posting
>Fuck, this is Femto.
you can't say this shit still applies when other apostles retained their humanity well enough
take the count, for example
don't reply to me either, just stop fucking posting
>Schierke will never piss on Guts
His sword is always, always shown much larger than anyone else's. Also, thicker. Like I said, he points out that it's three times thicker than the average sword.
His first one breaks, then he gets his replacement(which we never see where he gets it from) and that's the one he duels Griffith with, then he breaks a few more when training in the woods with Godo and Erica until finally after the Eclipse, Godo shows him the Dragon Slayer.
They're still the same fucking person.
Are you trying to make me not want to get the 3rd part?
Because if you are you can cut that shit out.
>BATMAN IS BRUCE WAYNE
Are you seriously equating a literal rebirth by some god-like entities with a... costume? Seriously. It's obvious to anyone who knows Griffith that Femto isn't really the same person. Femto is just disguising as Griffith.
Those are the only ones we have a background of (with Griffith), and they did change. It's safe to assume that it's the same for all the other ones.
Femto isn't an apostle, but he still had the same transformation by a behelit. God Hands are basically higher-grade "apostles".
The count started torturing and eating people alive. He lived just to inflict pain on people and protect his daughter. He definitely changed.
The dark side is still in there somewhere anon. It's just waiting to tear out of him like a bat out of hell and go wild.
He also breaks the the first one Godo gives him
TO THE FUCKING GRIFFITHFAG
>Implying Miura gives a shit about consistency in sword lengths.
Anyway, another thing that should be noted ist that the blade is grooved so that it actually weighs even less. Even if that was the actual length, and it isn't, the sword should still be around 15-20 pounds. The fact that he could swing it as fast as Griffith during the duel is yet another testament to Guts being stronger than Griffith.
>Femto is just disguising as Griffith.
The levels of self-delusion are off the fucking scale.
WE DON'T EVER SEE GRIFFITH AND FEMTO AT THE SAME PLACE
WHAT IF FEMTO
IS ACTUALLY GRIFFITH?!
But it's fun watching the blubbering cunt try to justify Griffith.
What band would you hire to write music for Berserk?
We just keep Susumu Hirasawa, why would we need anyone else
Iron Maiden is GOAT and would do good.
Isidro looks like Gambino.
Schierke becoming like Flora.
Guts is becoming Skully.
Griffith is the King of Midland.
Casca becomes Slan
That's ridiculous. Femto wears a mask, he is clearly not Griffith. Griffith doesn't wear a mask.
One man band-Susumu Hirasawa
Besides the person already doing it.
Muh fuckin' Forces.
You fucking nigger, Griffith transforms into Femto after he WILLINGLY SACRIFICES the band of the Hawk. Now, I could try to use algebraic reasoning to try and convince you that Femto and Griffith are the same person, but something tells me that you haven't learned algebra yet at whatever middleschool you attend so I won't/
Femto doesn't exist.
BeForU. "Why" you ask? Because fuck you that's why.
Fine. John Williams.
But Iron Maiden is fucking terrible dadrock?
/mu/ pls go.
Iron Maiden is great.
Kill yourself you fucking child.
I like Maiden, but it just wouldn't fit with Berserk.
Well you should have specified
I'd get Vinnie Moore from the past, imagine, the final fight while neo-classical instrumental metal at its finest playing in the background
Alternatively, the guys from the Nier OST
Not him, but Iron Maiden is entry level power metal.
Nothing more, nothing less. a 7.5/10 band.
Fucking hell. I only noticed Griffith's snake eyes now.
You're right. Neutral Milk Hotel should do the music instead.
Iron Maiden is shit for old people. I bet it totally aggravates you that there are people younger than Berserk in these threads, doesn't it old man? You're out of touch
>Femto saying exactly what Griffith would
I don't see how that contradicts me.
>You fucking nigger, Griffith transforms into Femto after he WILLINGLY SACRIFICES the band of the Hawk.
He had a moment of weakness, it's true. After the shattered dreams, torture, seeing his two best friends in love, failed suicide attempt, AND psychic convincing by the God Hand, he cracked. Yes, Griffith wasn't flawless, he had weaknesses too.
If he had been in his normal state, he would have NEVER sacrificed the Hawks.
Notice how he didn't have them before? Guess why...
I've come to terms being significantly older than the vast majority of /a/ yet I still cannot stand dealing with 12-year olds.
Maiden is heavy, not power you fucking turbopleb.
>entry level power metal.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Iron Maiden isn't Power Metal.
Just because the fucking vocalist can actually sing doesn't make it power metal.
The sod is that?
It's rock that your dad listened to. It's a musical insult.
Maiden is NWOBHM.
Well I don't know about your dad but mine was listening to Hank Williams and the Righteous Brothers.
Dadmetal's more like it.
captcha: meal temseura
The only real answer.
>entry level power metal.
You're an idiot.
Also, Bruce is one of the greatest vocalists ever.
Who even cares? Its above average metal from the 80s. It doesn't need all of these stupid little categories anyways.
Griffith knew what the Behelit entailed from the moment he accepted it. He only tried to kill himself when he thought the Behelit was lost. Once he got it back, he knew the path he had to take to become king. He knew he had to continue building his bridge of corpses to reach his castle in the sky. He valued the Hawks, but the couldn't take him any further. He needed the Godhand for that and to attain the power of the Godhand, he knew he had to sacrifice his old crew.
He's not some blameless innocent. You are pathetically deluded.
On a scale of one to Puck how fucking awful are the next movies going to be?
>all these faggots defending iron gayden
They're called "genres" and they're useful to group albums and artists in them.
>ts above average metal
More like possibly the greatest metal band of that decade.
>all these megababis trying to stir shit up
They're not making any more movies since they all bombed, each made less money than the last.
>mfw these hipsters try to claim that Maiden isn't good
Interesting theory, but it's totally wrong and easily disprovable.
When Griffith realizes what the Behelit actually is for, he actually tries to keep the band away from him, by fear of what's gonna happen to them. See this pic and the one I'll post after.
Here he realizes what the Behelit is for.
That's not Slayer.
Moshi moshi, beito desu
Here Guts approaches. He tries desperately to get him to stay away, but he can't.
Wow, he looks like a major douchebag here.
No, he's a cunt who killed the people who trusted him to gain more power.
Griffith = Femto = Griffith
I am a fan of Maiden, I just don't think they're as great as people ITT are saying.
How do you get out of bed without intense suicidal urges every morning?
I used Escaflowne music the first time I read Berserk. The way "Blaze" synched up with these scene was motherfucking Godlike. The beginning where he's lying in bed thinking, the thunderstorm outside, the chorus comes in just as Gambino appears. It picks up toward the end when Guts begins to break down crying.
I also like Fanelia for a general Band of the Hawk. I uh, like to imagine Judeau playing the tune like a classic troubadour. M-maybe singing some lyrics about the merry Band of the Hawk around a campfire...
It was easy to disassociate most of Escaflowne's soundtrack and listen to it while I read Berserk because I hated Escaflowne but loved its soundtrack
I used a lot of different soundtracks and songs as I was reading the manga years ago, sometimes just listening other times trying to find music that matched whatever event was going on. It was a lot of fun.
>Think Slayer is on the same level of Maiden
Yes he tries to warn them, especially Guts, but still he should have man up and just sacrificed himself.
He still choose demon lord willingly.
And yet the part that makes him realize he needs to sacrifice the Hawks is when he looks at Guts and how his feelings for Guts made him forget his dream.
Fucking deluded Grifffag.
>implying everybody wouldn't do the same
The rape is the only thing that makes Femto seem evil.
If there's one thing I'm jealous of tenors for, is that the good ones can make really high notes sound like their normal voice. They get so used to singing falsetto that it sounds strong, not thin and weak like my baritenor self.
>The rape is the only thing that makes Femto seem evil.
And the fact he literally calls himself a demon
And that he told the count to murderer his child in order to gain more power.
And the fact he feels literally nothing for the deaths of those who loved him.
And the fact that he ordered his apostles to go murder a good witch.
And that he works for something called the Idea of Evil.
Remember guys, this is supposedly the sociopath who sees everyone else as nothing but tools. The man who, according to most people here, doesn't actually care about others and wouldn't think twice about sacrificing anything for himself.
Do you guys really not see why this is retarded? Stop falling for shitty propaganda. Griffith is NOT evil. Femto probably is.
From the beginning.
Think about Casca, tsundere, brown skin, tomboy
I hope you die.
>Griffith is NOT evil. Femto probably is.
That album is fucking crazy. Imagine living in the 70's, hearing that the mellotron lovin' King Crimson reformed and now included a percussionist and violinist. You go out, buy their new album Larks Tongues, get the record going, and you're greeted with a 13 minute track that's practically a musical potpourri of shifting dynamics and timbres, no vocals.
It was the first album I heard by King Crimson after listening to a downloaded mp3 of 21st Century Schizoid Man when I was a teenager. I definitely was not expecting it.
>Griffith is not a fucking dick piece of shit i swer to me mum
That's not Griffith, that's Femto.
Femto's a nigger, Griffith is pale as fuck.
They're clearly not the same person.
only when she's on the rag
how old is she anyway?
H-he just wanted his wings.
And a big ass dick to rape with.
The character page claims that it's still Griffith.
do you really care?
She always struck me as 10, maybe 12. I fucking wish there was more porn of her out there.
Probably around 10-11.
You want some more ammo? I'm not even fighting against the Griffith war anymore. Add this to your arsenal.
This just in: Griffith cares about people in his own way. In the end, caring too much about Guts is what did him in.
>That album is fucking crazy. Imagine living in the 70's, hearing that the mellotron lovin' King Crimson reformed and now included a percussionist and violinist. You go out, buy their new album Larks Tongues, get the record going, and you're greeted with a 13 minute track that's practically a musical potpourri of shifting dynamics and timbres, no vocals.
Oh, anon, I have. I have imagined. In my wildest dreams, my greatest nightmares, I have seen it.
No music has ever touched me like Larks Tongues in Aspic has. There has been very few other art forms that have, but none in the same way.
The worst feeling is that no one will ever sound like Crimson again. Not even Fripp himself could return the band to what it was in 1973.
>I fucking wish there was more porn of her out there.
Fuck you m8.
The two best berserk doujins star her.
The only two decent Casca ones are bland and end sad as fuck.
That's a picture of Griffith, not of Femto. Notice how white he is.
What he does, and what he initially wanted to do are two very separate things. He had previously stated that he didn't mind sacrificing the Hawk to achieve his dream since they were dying for his cause and not their own. This in it of itself is very much what a sociopath would do.
Later, when his dream is crushed after being caught boning Charlotte. He no longer wants anybody to die for him over a broken dream. This all changes once the God hand tells him that he actually can achieve his dream. He then willingly sacrifices the Hawk.
This shit ain't rocket science. It was Griffith who sacrificed the Hawk, not Femto.
More Griffith giving shits, having human feelings, weaknesses and conflicts.
>there are people out there still dount that the moon child is gutsxcascas' son and that he won't play a major role in defeating griffith
Yes, we all know Griffith was gay for Guts.
Griffith already ate the fetus though.
A little bit more. One more after this and I make my point.
Femto is white as fuck too you retard
You metalheads need to listen to some glorious King Crimson sometime.
Why? Just because I love a person that you hate?
Not really. Femto has Griffith's memories, and a similar body, but their personality is pretty different. For example, Griffith would have never raped Casca.
I wonder just how big it is.
Thanks, but I tend to prefer to ignore that one. It may lead people to believe that Griffith was gay, and that's even worse in a way.
>He had previously stated that he didn't mind sacrificing the Hawk to achieve his dream since they were dying for his cause and not their own.
He was lying. He just hates admitting he cares for others. I wish I didn't have to explain that all day long.
IMO those two Casca doujins are the best, but only because they are plausible within the lore. I'm a bit tired of fanfiction sex between characters.
Since we're talking about King Crimson and all
Those are some of the funniest doujins I've ever read.
Which is rare, because japanese humor tends to be absolute garbage.
Forgot my pic. One more after this, then.
Not the point. Close, though. The key word here is "was."
Um. He's saying people have always looked up to and respected his greatness or despised him for being better than them. Total sociopath. But then he's saying he doesn't understand his homogay feelings for Guts making him weak-in-the-knees.
Just because you're a worthless sack of shit. I don't even care about Griffith.
>Not really. Femto has Griffith's memories, and a similar body, but their personality is pretty different. For example, Griffith would have never raped Casca.
Only if you listen to ours.
Griffith and Femto are the same person. Its just that after you break something, something stirs inside and changes you.
When Griffith betrayed them, he changed.
In a way you are right Femto is not Griffith. Griffith killed himself into a monster. The signs were there.
This is hilarious. You're really pathetic, you know that/
He didn't eat the fetus. The fetus and the apostle became Griffith's vessel.
Right, so he ate it.
Sure. I hope you enjoy jazz-fusion and improv.
I'm already a Maiden fan so I don't mind too much, but you're in for a ride.
Give it 5 to 10 years and she's gonna be horribly raped several times.
Here we go. This demonstrates that Griffith has had a dramatic shift in personality since becoming a member of Godhand. Other evidence that points to this is that he doesn't really act like the old Griffith. You could say he hasn't had an opportunity to display his old "childlike innocence meets genius strategist" personality, but the fact that we haven't seen it could potentially have meaning.
So no, the Griffith defender's argument is not wholly without merit. Griffith does seem like a very different person than he was as a human thus far. We'll see if it pans out.
So when he totally follows up on that promise, and ends up sacrificing the Hawk, you think he was lying to the God hand too?
You fucking idiot.
I was just hoping I wasn't pedo, because her ass is nice
Not him but I'm really enjoying the song. Thanks.
It's okay to like lolis, anon.
Griffith has feelings sure, Guts made him feel like a normal person, but as soon as the opportunity appeared his ego won.
I'm glad. It makes me happy to know someone else is enjoying them. The song gets a bit weird after 5:20, so just push through because the ending is phenomenal.
Ok, I usually hate bait pics, but that's a nice one. I'm totally serious, though. When has Griffith raped anyone? Never.
Griffith spent the entire Golden Age doing the opposite of sacrificing his men. He always did his best to save everyone.
Why? No, I don't know that.
Thank you. I have no doubt that they're different. I studied them extensively.
No, I already explained that this was a moment of weakness. Normally, he would have never accepted the deal.
Nope, you're pedo. But you're among pedos, so its alright.
>So no, the Griffith defender's argument is not wholly without merit.
It is without merit. The fucking Godhand explain what sacrificing does to people way back in the volume against the dug count,
Purposefully killing your loved ones for your own gain cuts you from humanity and makes you into an evil cunt, not the transformation itself.
You are so deluded into making your own conclusions about Griffith you ignore all facts that show he's not some paragon of virtue and goodness.
He is Femto. Deal with it.
>Griffith spent the entire Golden Age doing the opposite of sacrificing his men. He always did his best to save everyone.
Its a slippery slope anon. He choose power.
>B-But muh moment of w-weakness
Jesus, do you even see the shit you type or are you just in some Griffith cock slut trance?
This thread is fucking hilarious, i've never seen someone so deluded.
>When has Griffith raped anyone?
When he fucked Casca in front of Guts just to spite him for making him forget his dream.
I just started reading Berserk a couple days ago, I know /a/ hates this shit but where is a good place to download every chapter? I gave up on trying to find one myself and tried reading from a manga website but the font they used was shit, images were too small to read and translations were terrible.
Don't mind me, just posting something similar.
I agree he's a sociopath. I disagree that's ALL HE WAS. Which seems to be the argument of far too many. People are stupid and don't understand that just because you don't like a character you can paint them however you want, playing up certain aspects and dismissing others. Blinding themselves to anything that doesn't support their own established view.
Like complete fucking idiots.
That sword cuts the other way too, with people whitewashing their favorite character and refusing to acknowledge faults. Its even more sickening.
The fact is we don't really know where Miura is going with the whole Femto/Griffith thing. There are scenes pointing to Griffith being the exact same ambitious dreamer he used to be, but there are scenes that make you wonder if the old playful Griffith that would have a water fight with you or share porn magazines is still in there.
This is how I've always felt about Golden Age Griffith. He's a scoundrel but he has good points as well. He does care about the Hawks deeply in his own way, though some would call it twisted. He came to rely too much on Guts because he was his first truly close friend and the loss of that drove him crazy. He has entirely human flaws and human strengths as well.
Neo Griffith doesn't seem to have human flaws or weaknesses or strengths or anything human in him at all. It's like he's literally some character from a children's fairytale come to life.
All in all a fascinating character and I look forward to see where Miura takes it with him from here.
Ctrl+f baka in this very thread.
>When has Griffith raped anyone? Never.
>The worst feeling is that no one will ever sound like Crimson again. Not even Fripp himself could return the band to what it was in 1973.
Very true, the 70's era Crimson was something very special. Though I don't want to undermine what Fripp turned Crimson into in the 80s, which was a completely different beast, but still very intriguing. Belew and Fripp were a great combination.
But yes, as far as my own musical journey is concerned, I'm in the same boat as you: it's hard for me to quantify just how much of an impact the KC's trio of records in the 70's were on me. They probably changed my whole musical standard.. I'm just grateful I stumbled upon them in the first place.
I recently read Berserk. It is fucking great. I dont know how I am going to keep up with it though.
I like how guts has his own harem almost as well.
I have a few questions I hope some people can help me with.
Its implied the skull knight was the old sacrifice of midland, right?
How far into the story are we? 1/2, 3/4, or what it seems like its getting to the climax quicker than the earlier chapters.
What is your favorite part?
Why is Fars such a Masochrist?
Really appreciate it man, I'm a cocksucking faggot etc.
I'm not deluded. I just look at the facts. If Griffith were evil, I simply wouldn't really care about him. I'd probably just like Serpico instead. He's pretty cute and cool too.
But yeah, I like characters based on WHAT THEY ARE, not what I want them to be. It would be illogical to do that. I'd just pick another character who fits my requirements better instead. But Griffith happens to be that character. He's NOT evil and he's not a homo. He's flawed, like everyone, but it's obvious that he's usually on the "good" side in term of alignment.
There are some things that change a person and one can never come back from. It doesn't matter if it was a moment of weakness or whatever he did it.
He sacrificed everyone he loved for his dream and not only that had their deaths pass through him showing him the true enormity if what he did. As soon as he cut his love Griffith was changed forever, not when he was actually transformed.
At least you enjoyed the bait pic. I made it today and it's only the second time I posted it.
It writes itself, really. You can't make this shit up.
There you have it folks, delusional-kun just wants some Griffith dicking.
Whether Griffith buried his former self or whether it was twisted when he accepted the mantle of supreme evil overlord, the question is whether or not the old Griffith, the person he was during the golden age, is still a part of who he is right now.
So far he really hasn't acted like it, and has suggested himself that part of him is gone for good.
So asking whether or not Femto is the same as old Griffith with the same personality and feelings IS a valid question to ask. I really don't give a fuck if you blame Griffith, it doesn't negate everything else.
Guys, can we just go back to Serpico vs Griffith discussion? I mean that was more interesting than arguing with a citizen of falconia.
Oh god, you're one of the Griffith fangirl rape apologists. That explains it all
I can appreciate Discipline and Three of a Perfect Pair to a lesser extent, but I am not a fan of Beat.
However Belew is fantastic, he brings a lot of needed energy to their live acts, and a lot of my favorite live versions of 70s Crimson songs are from the 80s.
What have you listened to to numb the pain? I am a fan of OOIOO's Green and Gold album, but not much of their other albums have reached my attention.
I'd rather go back even before that and keep discussing Farnese's character development, Schierke's cuteness, Isidro's man card, Casca's skill, Guts' internal drama and personality changes, pretty much anyone or anything rather than discussing Griffith directly.
There is so much to talk about in Berserk but we only ever wind up discussing one thing the most in these threads YOU WANT TO GUESS WHAT THAT IS, EVERYONE?
>moment of weakness
It was a moment of weakness when Griffith sold his body for money. It was a moment of weakness when Griffith ran to Charlotte's bed after losing to Guts. It was a moment of weakness when Griffith tried to run from the Hawks just before the Eclipse.
It was a moment of clarity and purpose when he chose to sacrifice them to continue pursuing the dream he thought lost.
>he's not a homo.
He's very fucking gay for Guts. Just accept that.
>There is so much to talk about in Berserk but we only ever wind up discussing one thing the most in these threads YOU WANT TO GUESS WHAT THAT IS, EVERYONE?
That a qt3.14 loli will never piss on you ;_;?
>He's very fucking gay for Guts. Just accept that.
I'm waiting for him to drop the "Femto and Griffith are different people" thing and state the moment were Griffith raped Casca to defend griffiths hetrosexuality.
>He's very fucking gay for Guts. Just accept that.
They do NOT want to fuck. Gurifisu clearly loves Guts, but he just isn't gay. Goddamn it.
>It doesn't matter if it was a moment of weakness or whatever he did it.
It matters a lot. We all have moments where we aren't exactly ourselves. This was one of those for him. He just cracked. One thing nobody ever managed to explain is this: if it's true that Griffith really was just using people for himself THE WHOLE TIME, then WHY did he try to get the band to stay away from him when he realized what was happening? WHY did it take convincing from the God Hand to finally make him accept? It was a fucking moment of weakness. Then he turned into Femto and genuinely became evil, like what happens to all apostles.
No. I'm totally serious.
I never denied that, but it's not the only reason. Griffith has a great personality, and I'm tired of people slandering him all the time. This shit has to stop.
I never justified rape. I agree that what happened at the Eclipse was wrong. I'm just saying that we shouldn't define the entirety of Griffith's character based on that one event.
>It was a moment of weakness when Griffith sold his body for money. It was a moment of weakness when Griffith ran to Charlotte's bed after losing to Guts.
>It was a moment of weakness when Griffith tried to run from the Hawks just before the Eclipse.
Hell no. That was really badass.
>been tortured for a year and crippled forever
>Yes... I rested a bit too long
Fucking awesome. I love Griffith.
>It was a moment of clarity and purpose when he chose to sacrifice them to continue pursuing the dream he thought lost.
>He's very fucking gay for Guts. Just accept that.
He loves him as a friend. It's bromance at most, which isn't gay.
Look at >>101839366.
He was completely in love with Guts.
>It's bromance at most, which isn't gay.
Bromances lead to brojobs.
They explain to me why he choose to sacrifice his dear comrades faggot?
Your entire argument is based on "Griffith wouldn't act in a way I don't like because I love him so much, everyone else who talks about him doesn't love him as much so they're wrong". You're insane, man. You're just fucking nuts. You need to seriously reconsider your life.
I've been on 4chan for 10 years and this is easily one of, if those THE most deluded pile of autism I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing. Behind all the citations and the speculations you're just a little kid pining for your husbando to be "perfect."
It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
BROJOB! BROJOB! BROJOB!
Its just a perfect example of Male "try to fix it" brain routine that also plagues beta faggots, in this case its not a girl but its Griffith so its the same thing.
Griffith couldn't have raped Casca because he's clearly gay for Guts. Checkmate atheists.
Haha, yes Beat is awfully commercial, really not a worthy follow up to Discipline. Neal And Jack And Me is pretty groovy though, that song always stuck with me.
To numb the pain? Well, we already established there's nothing quite like Crimson, so I just handle it an old love affair: appreciate its uniqueness, hold it close to my heart, and move on. For the past year now I've been listening to stuff mostly outside of the rock world, mostly ambient works. Particularly Steve Roach; check out some of his late 80's/early 90's records if you're not familiar and interested.
OOIOO: I think I know that band. It features the trumpet girl from the Boredoms? I love their Chocolate Synthesizer album; spastic and bizarre Japanese rock and roll is always a joy to hear.
Griffith only raped Casca because he knew that Guts had fucked Casca.
It was an indirect dick kissu
Bagserk is the only thing that could save this thread now.
I wonder how crazy these threads would get if Miura really did start releasing Berserk chapters regularly again.
Oh fuck you I spit out my coke god dammit
You want me to explain it for like the fifth time in this thread? Just go look for previous posts.
>Your entire argument is based on "Griffith wouldn't act in a way I don't like because I love him so much, everyone else who talks about him doesn't love him as much so they're wrong".
I feel insulted. I spent hours looking for proofs and argumentating rationally. You can disagree with me, but you can't say I don't have any real arguments.
I'm saddened that you see it that way.
No need, there's examples of the real Femto being attracted to women sexually.
>typical gay man according to Griffith haters
>I spent hours looking for proofs and argumentating rationally
Think of all the anime you could have watched you silly man.
The story is already finished, you just haven't realize it.
I love you guys sometimes.
Nobody is arguing here that Griffith was a bad person or good person when he was human, he had his good moments and bad self serving ones. It still does not save him from the fact he betrayed his friends.
He is fucking Satan now, and as a sensible anon pointed already there is no indication his good human part survived the eclipse.
I don't actually watch much anime or read much manga. It's hard to find the motivation to.
I actually only watched Berserk because my best friend bugged me for months. I immediately loved it, but then I got VERY butthurt at the torture+eclipse, and held out reading the manga for like a year. I regretted not reading it earlier.
I remember hearing somewhere that the story is 60% told now.
Damn, It seems to be closing in on dropping off Casa at least and by then Guts might peruse Grifith.
I am at least happy They formed a party now, It was really bumming me out how much Gutts suffered alone.
Also to all the Grif guys, Do you remember when he said he had a plan for Gutts? Isnt the Dream of the white hawk saved by the Black Hawk? Do you think that maybe Grifith is controlling all this and is actually a trying to destroy GodHand and use Gutts to clear the way?
>People actually think that Griffith isn't basically Hitler
I god damn hate these new fucking chapters just cause of that.
>M-MUH BAND OF THE HAWK
Man did you ever think that God wanted Grifith to loose all emotions and set him up for the fucking shit he did?
Also has it dawned on anyone that Femto raped Casa to make the fetus that would come across the egg apostle and become NeoGrifith?
This is all kekkaku
There are people that do not really give a fuck about important details such as story or miura godlike drawings. They just pass through the pages for the sake of ending the manga and say 'there, i did read berserk'. Others, just over-analyze it and end up with their own twisted crazy theory and cant see the obvious, it really depends on the focus of the reader. The rest tho are only the dense retards among us
Such is bromance, it explains the whole bros fucking other bros girls.
>No homo man but I really want to touch your dick.
>There is only one way to do this and keep up the facade!
>Indirect Dick Kissu!!
>Its implied the skull knight was the old sacrifice of midland, right?
Without looking it up, it is implied that the Skull Knight is the former King Geiseric, and that he may have been part of the sacrifice that Void offered up when he ascended to the Godhand. There were many branded corpses in the dungeon where Griffith was being held prisoner from Geiseric's era.
>What is your favorite part?
Hard to say. I really love Berserk. Off the top of my head, I want to say Tower of Conviction. Mozgus was a great villain and there was a lot going on at that point in the story. The climax was also superb. Besides that, I really liked the Black Dog pursuit, Guts vs. Grunbeld, and all of Lost Children.
>Why is Fars such a Masochrist?
She had a very odd childhood. It's mainly what turned her into a raging, incestuous, hyper zealous sado-masochist. She's trying to get better though.
Go into any Big3 thread and you will find people who cant figure out what a beard is.
Im talking about when Sabo was Luffys replacement Lucy. I remember at least 5 people throughout the week asking what the fuck the fake beard Sabo was wearing was.
She is my last speck of humanity/hope/life/happiness or something like that.
Thanks for replying back man.
Thats what I thought, I will probably re-read it again this coming weekend to get it all straight since I marathoned it this weekend.
It was a good arc, I really hated Mozgus and that whole setting because of how dark it was. Needless to say I think ti was the most fleshed out arc besides Gutts story.
Yeah, it was explained, I was just upset because of how much development has been put into her.
Thank you for giving me something besides Griffith to discuss, haha.
Yeah Farnese does seem to have gotten more character development than any of the rest of Guts' party. I honestly don't know if it'll be good or bad for her in the long run. I honestly believe that out of all the people traveling with Guts right now, she is the most likely to use the Behelit he's been carrying and become an apostle. That may even be the purpose behind making Roderick such a cool guy.
I also hated Mozgus, and Wyald too, but I often to find characters that I hate as people more interesting than those I like and actually root for.
I can try to find the page where they talk about King Geiseric during the Griffith rescue. Uhh... Lets see...Ah ha, here we go. It's explained over a lot of pages though. Here's where it starts.
Supreme King Gaiseric. Looks like Geiseric is wrong, I'll have to train myself to stop spelling it that way.
Built Midland and then five angels wrecked his shit. Or were there four? Who knows.
Charlotte looks kind of cute, riding around on Guts' back. Reminds me of what Schierke does later. Guess Miura likes it when cute girls piggyback ride on big strong guys.
Skullknight confirmed to have died a virgin.
Judeau pls no bully
Almost to the grand finale.
Humungous mountain of corpses in the ruins of ancient Midland, and what do you know...
That was a fun thread