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Wow that's fucking dumb.

How can you be called an esper if you just do the same thing as an insulated pizza bag?
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>>101815885
She's a level 1, what do you expect? They're mostly useless.
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How can you be called an esper if you do the same thing as a railgun?
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is this an esper?
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>>101816048
>that will be 20 dollars plus tip
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>>101815977
rainguns can't cling onto metal rebar and create electrosheilds
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>inb4
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>>101816102
And insulated pizza bags can't keep your feet warm at night while cuddling up to you in the softest way imaginable. They also don't look good in panties.
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>>101816163
oh contrare
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>>101816158
But all those anons are wrong anyways. Scalar quantities still have vector quantities generally connected to them to some extent and oh my god it's right we suck cocks.
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>>101816220
Somebody who can't even spell French right is not allowed to correct me on matters concerning underwear.
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>>101816285
tóuch
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Her ability is broken as hell. She just don't give a fuck.
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I thought at first she wasn't telling anyone because it required her to be naked or did something that's usually bad like stealing or murdering, after that episode I realized she was just insecure because her xmen ability is shit.
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Her PC will never overheat.
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>>101816357
It's so broken she can keep a pizza warm.

People are assuming that her ability has no limits for some reason. I mean, most abilities would be insane at level 5. That centrifugal force level 2 could probably just snap people's necks at will at level 5.
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>>101816502
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>>101816609
>that feel when she can't hold Saten
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>>101816675
That's true, Uiharu wouldn't want to stain her hands with dried semen.
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>level 5 railgun can do all sorts of cool electricity shit
>level 5 accelerator can alter pretty much everything in the world
>level 5 teleporter could probably shift around entire buildings
>level 5 saten could create massive tornadoes
>level 5 imagine breaker could end the world in a touch
>level 5 uiharu could cook a TV dinner
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>>101816826
>IB
>esper power
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>>101816826
>level 5 teleporter could probably shift around entire buildings

Awaki was throwing building around at lvl 4.

>level 5 imagine breaker

lel
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>>101816904
She just took out a chunk of a building.

Her upper limit is 4000kg if I remember right.
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>>101816826
>level 5 imagine breaker
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>>101816826
>level 5 uiharu could affect tempratures at will, at any range, on any target
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>>101816826
>Gunha could do it all
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Heat = energy
She can maintain heat

she solved the energy crisis
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finished Index 1 and Railgun 1

which second season is better?
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Just came out.

>[UTW-Mazui] Motto Marutto Railgun - IV [BD][h264-1080p][FLAC][0EC38929].mkv
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>>101816957
Your power always stays basically the same, even when you level.

Kuroko is always going to to have to touch things to teleport, she'll never be able to teleport things without touching them, even if she hits level 5 somehow.
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>>101816957
she still has to stand there with her arms in robot position
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>>101817066
Railgun S 2-6 and 8-16>Index 2>Nagaishit
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>>101817016
>Misaka creates electricity at will
>Kakine can create matter
>Accelerator can say "fuck you" to momentum

I don't think the energy crisis is really an issue in the world of Index
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>>101817149
AC's tech is enough to make them entirely self-sufficient. They just don't want to spread that to the rest of the world.
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>>101817149
misaka has a finite amount of electrical energy in her body like other people but it's just a lot more
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>>101817072
>>101817114
Can't she do stuff like freezing the ground, or melting the ground, around what she wants dead?
Or start throwing superheated stuff.
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>>101816826
Uiharu is already pissing in the face of thermodynamics at just level 1

I think she would be pretty terrifying at level 5
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>>101817307
I believe Kamachi said in an interview that she can rival a power plant in voltage, but not in long-term output.
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>>101817333
Seems like a really roundabout way to kill someone when there are better powers for that.

Parameter List pegs her limit as Level 1 anyways, so it's moot.
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>>101817333

No. Her power is explicitly to keep maintain temperature. As in, no heat lost or gained. Shes not some general heat manipulator.
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>>101817131
>skipping episodes

jesus christ how autistic are you
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>>101817523

>watching cloverfield

Are you a masochist?
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>>101817523
I didn't skip them, just saying which ones are shit.
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>>101817523
What? He's saying those episodes are better.
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>>101817509
But heat is not constant throughout an object anyway.
All you have to do is seek out the hottest atoms in a given body, fixate their temperature and allow them to heat the rest of the object up.
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>>101817588
If she's maintaining the heat of those parts of the object, then there won't be any heat transfer, that's the point of her power.
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>>101817588


>expecting Kamachi to understand that

This is the guy that wrote Accel throwing a wall with 5 minutes of the Earths rotation speed.
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>>101817649
>then there won't be any heat transfer
Apparently there is, considering that she can't hold exceptionally hot things.
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>>101817673
Physics of that work fine for the most part, the earth was slowed down instead of the energy just coming from nowhere, so the time part of the equation makes sense. Calculate Fortress hax explains why he didn't lifewipe the world.

It's just never explained how the earth sped back up after that.
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>>101817649
If there isn't, then that would allow her to create energy shields (and weapons), since kinetic energy is just thermal energy looking pretty.
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>>101817711
Perhaps if her power increased she could maintain her body at one heat and a really hot thing at the same time preventing burning?
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>>101817785
You can't just remove kinetic energy from one body like that and add it to another.
If you could, it would allow for all sorts of infinite loops each with more energy at the end of every cycle.
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>>101816826
The thing is, shitty powers can't get to level 5.
Even if growing up she managed to get the maximum out of her power, she would still be a low level. I hate how people take random characters and say "This guy level 5 would be cool". He can't be a level 5. A level 5 version of his power would be another fucking power.
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>>101817343
It's already terrifying at lv 1, if she's in contact with you for a long period of time you wont be able to get rid of your body temperature, so it will slowly rise till the critical point where you die. So if she can't control her esper powers, if she's touching someone while that person is doing physical work will die, sex with uiharu must be dangerous...
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>>101817945
>you wont be able to get rid of your body temperature, so it will slowly rise till the critical point where you die.

That is not even close to how her power works. Heat is not gained.
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>>101818084
>Heat is not gained.
Then energy is lost.
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>>101817927
What do you think Accel does all the time? If he increases the force of his kick and rips you in half, isn't that transferring kinetic energy from himself to you?
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>>101818143
The laws of physics need not apply to Espers. They make their own.
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>>101818151
The point is you are not actually redistributing energy. You are creating it.
If you are doing so anyway, why bother employing the earth for that purpose?
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>>101817945
But that's wrong you fucking retard
She needs to be conscious to use her power, it's not like "Ooops, I was wondering why my clothes didn't get warm, then I realized I was wearing them"
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>>101818143

Not with her power. It stays constant. If shes touching someone thats exercising for five minutes they will be at the exact same temperature at the end as they were at the start. If she has sex with someone their body heat will neither increase or decrease.
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Not this thread AGAIN
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>>101818246
We don't know if he can just infinitely create energy. Other Espers (besides Kakine) have hard limits after all.
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>>101818290
Always.
>>101816158
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>>101818271
Chemical processes happen during your exercise (and at a slightly smaller scale, for as long as you live). These processes result in an increase of thermal energy but a decrease of potential energy.
If the thermal energy stays constant, then a decrease in potential energy means that energy is lost.
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>>101818322
That's why I told you that this is exactly what slowing down one body to speed up an independent one means.
If that is his power, it is his power.
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>>101817069
Fuckin finally. Why is there no thread for it?
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>>101818271
The issue is that your body will keep producing heat from your own metabolism. She can't stop your metabolism.
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Uiharu's ability is weird.

First she maintains a constant temperature. Which mean the atoms/electrons/photons are always being passed around in the area of her influence.
Second she can feel heat, this means the system affected by her power isn't a closed loop.
Third in order to maintain the same amount of heat in an open system, you must always have input/output of energy. I suppose her power acts as a catalyst for energy to travel from one system to another. Where the new energy comes from, I suppose from the environment.

With this, theoretically she could manipulate any energy in the system surrounding her. Biribiri naturally generates electricity in her body, if Uiharu was next to her Uiharu's power would be boosted (if she knew how to utilize the powersource).
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>>101818392

Its Espers, I don't have to explain shit.
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>>101818433
That would be true if his power was a form of TK, but it's not. He controls vectors as a concept unto themselves. There's no medium of control (or if there is it's his AIM, which breaks the laws of physics anyways).
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>>101818530
>she can feel heat, this means the system affected by her power isn't a closed loop.
This is where you realize Kamachi is an amateur and you stop thinking.
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>>101818569
I have no idea why you think that the fact that he's controlling vectors changes the effects of his power.
Maybe I don't understand your post at all. Please elaborate.
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>>101818530
My question is, if she can feel heat, and is worried about touching things that are too hot, why not regulate the temperature in her own body?

I'm not a physics professor, so feel free to shit all over this. Say you have a plate that is 100 degrees celcius. You touch it to skin that is roughly 25. The temperatures even out, burning the skin, as its not meant to go above a certain heat.

If she maintains her body's temperature at that steady 25, will she still get burned?
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>>101818744
She can't use her own power on herself.
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>>101818824
Ah, damn. Is there any workaround to this?
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>>101818744

Her ability doesn't work on herself. Presumably if she were a higher level she would be able to, like Kuroko learning to teleport herself.
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>>101818871
Depends, I guess.
Is her AIM field as big as Accelerator's?
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>>101818744
It's not unreasonable to expect that she's impervious to burns, and to the cold. If both of those are true, though, she also can't get a fever, which means infections could run rampant in her body, potentially without her realizing for a long time.

Uiharu best girl
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>>101818929
>It's not unreasonable to expect that she's impervious to burns, and to the cold.

Yes it is.

>>101816609
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>>101818871
Kuroko couldn't teleport herself until level 4 (according to Accelerator, teleporting yourself automatically makes you level 4 because it's so hard).
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>>101818678
I don't think we're understanding eachother at all here, let's see if we can clear it up.

I'm saying that Accelerator needs to take energy from the planet because he can't infinitely create energy, and that part at least makes sense because the text says the planet actually slowed down (it just doesn't make sense that it magically sped back up).

Not sure what you're saying.
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>>101818929
Damn right
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>>101818744
There are many answers, most likely she doesn't have full control over her powers yet (its also why she is low level to begin with).

Also our body's temperature is not a single unit. We have an average unit of around 96 but throughout out body, the temp fluctuates. In animate object like flower or rock or steel has an average temp of X that she can maintain easily because they are distributed equally. But for animals/living beings, if you tried distributing the same temp to all body parts, I doubt we would survive for long.
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>>101818530
She becomes part of the loop?
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>>101819080

Why is that pile of organs sitting around in a hospital instead of in some laboratory generating a new body out of Dark Matter, or as a volleyball making holistic lolis for magic gods?
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>>101819079
>Not sure what you're saying.
What I am saying is that you can't take energy from the planet because the act itself means that you are expending energy.
If you can do so for free, then you have effectively doubled your energy (first the energy you gained, and then the energy which you didn't lose but which affected the planet anyway)
The universe is relative.
One particle's near light speed is another particle's almost standing still.
If you change that first particle's velocity from near light speed to 0, then in relation to the other particle you have given that particle near light speed. How did you gain energy from that?
It doesn't fucking work that way.
The only way it could work that way is if you can make energy up by simply ordering stuff to move according to your wishes. In which case, you can create energy at will.
You don't need a planet to "borrow" energy from then.
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>>101819418
>The only way it could work that way is if you can make energy up by simply ordering stuff to move according to your wishes
AIM?
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>>101819981
Of course.

Still, the whole idea of borrowing energy and using it elsewhere is fucked up.
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>>101818459
I made one
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The first Index animu adaptation was 8 years ago.
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>>101820247
>2008-2014
That's 6 years you dumbfuck.
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>>101820380
To be exact, 5 years and 4 months since the first episode aired.
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sup
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My heart
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>>101820380
Wait, we have 2014?

Fuck!
I need to go to bed.
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>>101817944
Saten is/would be an Aerohand, the same as Congo Mitsuko who is a level 4.
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>>101821963
Aerohand is a strong, combat oriented ability
thermalhand is not
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>>101821963

Kongo puts injection points on shit, Level 1 saten was twirling a leaf around without touching it. She seems more like Aero Shooter.
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>>101822455
Saten is an aerohand but as Kongou explained in the manga the number and power of injection points depends on the skills of the user
of course Saten is not going to be as powerful as Kongou, who is a higher level and had months, maybe years, of practice
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>>101816826
The biggest thing a level 5 teleporter could do is teleport things that are far away from them.

They could turn any location into a giant mess REALLY fast.
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She's motherfucking defying entropy.
In the long run this is the best power ever.
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>>101823901
All powers defy laws, why would defying entropy be such a plus when you could materialize enough dark matter to cover a village in a full dome in an istant?
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>>101823852
Awaki as a level 4 can already wreck people by teleporting them into dangerous locations or into walls or the ground.

She just couldn't do that to Kuroko because teleporters can't teleport eachother.
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>>101823901
Unless she is planning on becoming a delivery boy or a magical girl her power is really useless
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If Kamachi knew anything, time power espers wouldn't exist because, realistically, they'd be way too powerful.
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>>101824309
...Time power espers don't exist anon.
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>>101824391
Precognition is mentioned.
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>>101824309
He fixed teleporters, I don't think time travelers would be that overpowered
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>>101816826
>level 5 imagine breaker
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>>101824476
Doesn't seem all that useful though. Only kind we've seen allows you to create individual pictures of future events. It's crappy enough that there aren't any prominent ones.
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>>101824476

>precognition
>an ability so shitty even someone without that esper power can do it with enough exp
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>>101824476
Precognition is a rather shitty power most of the time anyways,they can see the future but rarely have what is needed to change it, if it is possible to begin with
Unless you are talking about Touma's, in that case you are an idiot
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>>101824677
If somebody could control how far they see into the future, they could bend probability by doing stuff like "if this slot machine does not give me a jack pot, I will create a time paradox."
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>>101824476
Precognition is more like instinct than being able to see the future
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>>101825122
Doubt the Toaru universe would care about time parodoxes. Espers already make their own little universes. And Othinus using filters to fuck up the timeline didn't do anything.
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>>101824677
>create individual pictures of future events.
I don't remember it
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>>101825122
If that slot machine was destined to give him a jack pot it will give him a jack pot, unless future can be changed, and if future can be changed there is no reason for a time paradox
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>>101825233
From the Endymion SS.

>“Um, I am sure all of you know the difference between ESP and PK, but we have a midterm coming up soon. I want to explain any of the areas that people often get mixed up.”

>The 135 cm female teacher named Tsukuyomi Komoe was stretching up as high as she could to write on the chalkboard, but Kamijou was ignoring her and looking at his right hand.

>“Now, about thoughtography. As the power allows you to learn of distant or future scenes, it seems that it would be categorized under ESP just like precognition. However, the power that affects the film is a physical one, so it is a power that influences an object external to oneself. For that reason, thoughtography is technically not classified as ESP but as PK just like telekinesis and fire creation! That one is often used as a trick question, so be careful! When a power sits on both sides of the boundary between ESP and PK, PK takes precedence in classification!!”

>“Also, analog cameras that use film exposure have been on the decline in recent years due to the arrival of digital cameras. This has created the problem of whether espers who display the future on digital cameras should be treated as having the same type of thoughtography! As I just said, the main point of the thoughtography is not the future aspect but the photograph part. So if the method of taking and displaying the photograph is completely different…”
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>>101825336
A future that can be changed doesn't make any sense though. If you can see the future, then change it, then what you saw is information pulled from nowhere and it's in the shape of something close to reality for no reason.

Perhaps crap like this is how Crowley got his hax.
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>>101825570
Apparently one of the possible uses of the Book of Law is to fortell the future, so maybe.

His ability seems to be more "Everything I am is infinite, so whenever someone tries to do something to me the universe says no."
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>>101825570
There is a girl in kiwaguro no brynhildr who can do exactly that
she sees the future and can interfere with what she sees to make it fit with her predictions
but she is supposed the strongest user of that power, there is another in the MC's group who is weaker and she can only see what is going to happen
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>>101815885
If you can do something that's normally biologically impossible for the average human being, you're an esper.
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>>101825890
or a saint
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>>101825890
You can be an esper and have no powers and you can do biologically impossible things without being an esper.
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>>101825890
Or Fraulein. God only knows what she is.
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>>101825890
or Touma, or Fiamma
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>>101825751
>"Everything I am is infinite, so whenever someone tries to do something to me the universe says no."
This is kind of what I had in mind for higher levels of probability manipulation.

You have the power to create an impossibility the universe cannot deal with, and you set it up to trigger in certain events.

By doing this, you reduce the probability of that event to zero. I can reduce the probability of "your head not exploding in the next five seconds" to zero to kill you.

The main flaw with this kind of thing is that the apparatus that generates this effect is (unusually) not infallible. If the result you're trying to cause has a lower probability of happening than the apparatus experiencing a physical failure, then the apparatus will break.

In the case where the apparatus is your head, and you try the above thing, you are just as likely to make your own head explodes as making their head explode.
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>>101815885
Let's be honest.

Her ability is still more useful than Ms. "I can fire unstable lasers at things".

An ability that you can find uses for in daily life, even if it's weak, is ultimately gonna be less useful than an entirely combat-based power.
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Let's be honest.

Her ability is still more useful than Ms. "I can fire unstable lasers at things".

An ability that you can find uses for in daily life, even if it's weak, is ultimately gonna be more useful than an entirely combat-based power.
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>>101829002
Mugino's is more useful when killing things is literally your job.

Plus she apparently has a very limited degree of control over electricity.
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>>101829002
Yeah, even Kakine was so amazed at how useful her ability was that he proposed to her
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>>101829002
When you live in a city full of batshit crazy scientists, thugs and the occasional rampaging magician, I would rather have the laser beams.
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>>101829186
Having the useful combat power is going to draw that shit towards you though.
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>>101829254
When angry Kakine comes around I would rather have the laser beams so I don't get my arm broken.
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>>101829331
...Yeah, I don't think lasers are gonna help at all against Kakine.
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>>101829484
Didn't help Mugino.
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>>101829484
They worked just fine in NT6
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>>101829484
She survived in Battle Royale and could destroy his constructs in NT6. Even then it would make a good escape ability by just melting through walls.

Uiharu got her arm broken.
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>>101829561
No they didn't. She and Accelerator would have lost if Beetle-kun hadn't taken over.
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>>101829002
It is not an entirely combat-based power, she can also build shit with her powers and I assume it is really useful for researchers
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>>101828727
You could take a program that spits out random data and reduce the probability of "it not making the hottest porn in the world based on your preferences" to zero, then it creates an mp4 or something.

Forcing the universe to make porn for you is clearly the best use of this power.
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>>101829657
If it would have been pre-smashed Kakine I dare say she would have won
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>>101817343
She could make a supercomputer that never overheats. Alongside infinite energy generation etc...
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>>101829657
They both could destroy his dark matter without problems
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>>101829717
>>101829767
Given he kicked her ass in volume 15, it's more likely that he just didn't give a shit in NT 6 if she destroyed his constructs or not.
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>>101829902
She is way more powerful now, she is not in his level but I doubt he is the kind of person who would make his constructs weaker so she could destroy them easily
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>>101830190
>More powerful
Where do you get that from? She's a cyborg, but that doesn't make her Meltdowner more powerful.
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>>101830190
>She is way more powerful now,

Really? Why?
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Why doesn't uiharu call saten by her first name like all her friends do?
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>>101830407
She hasn't known her for that long.
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>>101830407
Contrary to what Nagai wants, Saten isn't that close to the rest of the four girl band. She's alot closer to her level 0 buddies.
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>>101830407
She's no Fre da hers with all the skirt lifting.
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>>101815885
So she can't keep someone from going into such a high fever it would cause brain damage?
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>>101816957
Lower people's body temperature to the point of shutting down, or conversely, overheating them to the point of death.
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>>101830845
Using that on a human would have...questionable results.

Homeostasis demands a little flexibility in temperature.
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>>101830906
Specific situations. Viral attack on a body. Uncontrolled rise in temperature. To prevent the rise she is called for. Medical staff would then use whatever emergency measures are needed to combat the virus in the very brief time window she would gain them. Or...could she possibly keep JUST the brain itself at a certain temperature?
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>>101831131
Doubt she's that precise. If her ability could do shit like that she'd be a 2.



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