Does this make you happy, /a/?
DOES THIS MAKE YOU HAPPY
I don't *do* happy.
But I thank you nevertheless.
I'm happy whenever I see Madoka-tan's face. Any part of her, in fact
How about her completely black soul gem?
Or her brain, scattered all over the place?
I keep looking for music for her to brush her teeth to but she's on such a weird rhythm.
With so few frames this gif is a bit disturbing.
No, because she is doing it wrong.
About 1:28 until the end
「Connect」 syncs quite well
I love you, OP.
Yes, now you need to do is edit it and put a dick in her mouth.
It does make me happy, OP! Oral hygene is important!
>Sexualizing the megucas
It does, brushing your teeth is good and good things make me happy.
is absoutely disgusting.
is absoutely disgusting
thanks to a scene in a certain other SHAFT production, I now find brushing teeth to be a highly sexual activity
>Back and forth brushing
>Not circular brushing
I thought this show took place in the near future.
I don't find brushing your own teeth sexual, but someone brushing another persons' teeth? Holy fuck man, pic fucking related.
that's small time
That is not okay at all.
It'll be okay Homu.
This makes you happy, Homura-chan?
Nothing will ever be okay again.
Don't cut yourself on that edge there anon.
Everything will be alright
Nothing will be okay.
Can Madoka still love Homura even if she's a devil? Can they really be together in Homu's world and forever after?
>Can Madoka still love Homura?
Madoka's love has no limits.
>Can they really be together in Homu's world forever?
Will they ever luminous again?
Will they get another naked space hug?
Can they be together forever in Yuri Valhalla?
Does Homu have to keep suffering?
>Will they ever luminous again?
>Will they get another naked space hug?
No, what's the point now?
>Can they be together forever in Yuri Valhalla?
Yuri Valhalla is dead and Homura kill it.
>Does Homu have to keep suffering?
>Will they ever luminous again?
Maybe, but you can make them do it any time with the BDs.
>Will they get another naked space hug?
>Can they be together forever in Yuri Valhalla?
I would like to think Homura is separated from Madoka for eternity even after the resolution.
>Does Homu have to keep suffering?
Yes. Sayaka shares the same fate of suffering.
>Yuri Valhalla is dead and Homura kill it.
Why would you like to think that? That's possibly the most awful thing ever.
He's probably of the hot opinion that Homura did something wrong.
Clearly he's the wrong one, though.
Because I like consequences for actions, and that's how the Madoverse works when someone does something terrible. It would be especially interesting to me if there was a balance ending, but Homura is still separated from Yurivalhalla since she is is no longer a magical girl.
You're still trying to force this shit? Even Homura thinks she did wrong, just fuck off.
>Even Homura thinks she did wrong
Any ending where they're apart would ruin everything forever.
Madoka doing anything but forgiving Homu would be un-Madokalike.
I'm positive she will forgive, but Homura renounced salvation when she became something other than a magical girl within the Law of Cycles and rebelled. It's all wild speculation at this point, but that's where I'd like it all to end up.
I want to brush each and every part of dokes
Well fuck you, day ruined
Which Magica has the best teeth?
That ending makes sense, but it's going to hurt more than everything in the series combined if it happens.
She's not a meguca or a witch, and she won't let go of her suffering no matter how hard Madoka tries to purify her. She's got nowhere to go but spending eternity all alone with her despair, and hating herself even more for making Madoka cry for her.
Kyoko is a dirty hobo who is always eating and probably never brushes or flosses. Disgusting.
Eternally molesting a cutie that you lust over sure sounds like a totally shitty fate
She doesn't need to, she can just use magic. Those fangs are the cutest too.
How would Homu molest her Madoka when she's not in Yuri Valhalla with her?
Also, Madoka is the one who's gonna be molesting Homura.
She probably has to brush every night now.
It would essentially be the end of the series but on a larger scale, which would make sense with Rebellion ending where the series began but on a cosmic scale.
But if it's like the ending of the series, where's the hope? There's only suffering.
What's the source on this? Looks too nice to be from the camrip.
Good catch--I originally had something about that but got too busy with some reading for class to spend too much time working on it.
Essentially I'd say the hope lies in Homura's ability to accept Madoka's wish and be her own person. The whole thing got kicked off because she couldn't accept Madoka knowingly sacrificing her life to take out Walpurgisnacht.
The ability to accept someone else's wishes while still caring for them in some capacity but also living your own life is something that only a fully-developed character can do in Gen world. Sayaka already went through this arc with Hitomi, Kyousuke, and her refusal to wait for a witch to develop for the sake of getting a grief seed. Her idea of altruism was selfish and required that she value her life as something worth less than anyone else's.
An ending with Homura like the one we've been discussing wouldn't necessarily provide the sugar-sweet ending people want, but to me it would be the best possible ending.
>Madoka's face when Homura dies for the universe
Now the night is fully eaten.
Reminder that Homura did everything right. She saved Madoka from the bondage of the law of cycles and gave her her life back.
Madoka will save her. Don't underestimate the Goddess.
Does anyone here really have that pearly white teeth? I doubt it
To be fair, The only reason Madoka made that wish was the cumulative actions and failures of Homura over the timelines, to Homura she feels she cornered Madoka who enacted a wish that denied the (third?) timeline Madoka's wish to not become a Magical girl. So in order to make up for this she wipes her memory and gives her a normal life at her own expense. It isn't that Homura can't except Madoka's actions, its that she can't accept she caused Madoka to do that.
Is anyone here an anime character?
Really makes me sad to see Homufags that actually believe this.
>Essentially I'd say the hope lies in Homura's ability to accept Madoka's wish and be her own person. The whole thing got kicked off because she couldn't accept Madoka knowingly sacrificing her life to take out Walpurgisnacht.
This is what anti HomuMado fags actually believe. No, Madoka should not have to sacrifice herself, dying does not equal "being your own person", Homura is not the problem for trying to change that.
That doesn't sound like hope to me. It sounds like painful acceptance, as if she were still a witch.
That's a nice image of Homura fading into nothingness in Madoka's arms. I hope they were able to finally understand each others' feelings before her death.
Cleaning teeth should always make you happy
>waaaah people agree with things i disagree with waaaaaah
Does Homura really think up various ways and scenarios in which see can see Madoka naked
pls don't say things like that
Is this the face that makes you sad?
Yes, and then she hates herself for being such a pervert that's unworthy of Madoka's love.
There's a special place in hell for traitors.
>Homura = passion, flame
Great! She can enjoy burning in hell for ruining Madoka's happiness and breaking her heart.
Anon please. Nothing she did was malicious, she just wants Madoka to be happy. She is to be pitied, not hated.
Why you think a smile born from ignorance means something, anon?
>anti HomuMado fags
Sorry, let me close my /u/ tab and delete my 11GB of KyouSaya. Apparently I've disgraced the shipping name.
>dying does not equal being your own person
No, I'm still busy reading, so I may not have been clear. Madoka's decision isn't as important as Homura's inability to accept it in this discussion. When I said "be her own person," I was referring to Homura; the pronouns kind of got away from me there.
>Homura is not the problem for trying to change that
She is the problem since she cannot not accept Madoka's desire. Wishes by their nature upset the balance of the universe since they are the manifestation of the inability to accept something for what it is and actually change reality.
It's not hope so much as closure. There's nothing to hope for if she grows as a character and can be content with what she has; I'd rather she be content rather than hoping for something more.
Homura is not a traitor in any way. She kept her promise to Madoka from timeline 3 through nearly a hundred timelines and a new universe.
The worst you can accuse her of is acting based on a misunderstanding of Madoka's feelings, and she was really sending mixed signals.
>pls go back in time and don't let me be stupid and contract with QB
>Madoka explaining she's happy being Madokami in episode 12
>Madoka in the flower field telling Homura how she'd never want to be so far away from everyone she cared about
>Sayaka wishes to save a life
>suffers and dies
>Kyouko wishes to save her family
>they all die, she suffers and dies
>Mami never stops suffering
>Homura commits the greatest sin known to man to the only person who ever cared about her
She's going to die and remain outside the cycle forever, and nothing Madoka can do will prevent that. I hope tearing Madoka aprt felt good for her, since she'll never feel her again.
Why do you think a smile born of ignorance means nothing?
Is it really so awful for Madoka to have nothing to be sad about?
stahp it anon that's horrible
Because it means nothing once you learn the truth and we are told that's what's going to happen.
>When I said "be her own person," I was referring to Homura
Is that not what she's doing? That's what "I won't hold back anymore" means.
>She is the problem since she cannot not accept Madoka's desire
Madoka's desire is not to die, it's to help people. If she can somehow do that without needing to sacrifice everything, she would.
The problem is the "balance of the universe" which demands Madoka sacrifice, or that everyone be separated. Why would you not fight that, and why would you try to defend that outcome by saying Homura/Madoka are the problem?
It's a smile free from the burden that she was forced to bear. Far better than Madokami bitter smile that was not happy at all.
If you are truly happy, it doesn't really matter if you're only happy because there's something you don't know. Happiness of all kinds can die. Happiness born of ignorance is literally no different. It can die just as "true" happiness can.
>Madokami wasn't happy
Akuma apostle pls go.
>not being 100% loyal to incubator contracts is bad
What the fuck are you talking about? Madokami wasn't tied to incubators in any sense.
>Madokami bitter smile that was not happy at all.
Stop making shit up, anon. You think she wasn't looking forward to being together with Homura forever?
>you must obey the law of cycles or happiness and life means nothing
What the fuck does that have to do with incubators?
Are you drunk?
But Madokami was happy.
She's probably crying all alone now for Homura's suffering.
>contract says Madoka must destroy witches with her own hands
sure let's go with that
There is a difference between being happy just because you live a lie and be happy but know that will not last, the former is much more painful when you learn the truth.
Is your name Ecstasy aka Darks by any chance?
She wished for that, anon. That's what she wants to do.
>Homura-chan...why? Why couldn't you let me save you? You told me I needed to think higher of myself, but what about you? Don't you think of yourself as worthless? Don't you think there's someone who cares about you? All I wanted was to be with you, Homura-chan, and now...I'm all alone.
What if the only way out of the Homuverse is for Sayaka to kill human Madoka?
That's stupid. Don't say stupid things.
well she's not allowed to do that, so there
Your filename is missing a verb or something
>good idea to yourself over
>the former is much more painful when you learn the truth.
Not really. You can't say that with certainty. But you missed the point anyway. One could be living very happily with no lies involved, but then a loved one passes and that happiness shatters. One can be living under a lie and once the truth is revealed, that happiness shatters. At the end of the day, happiness is always subject to sudden death. It doesn't matter what sort of establioshed conditions their are.
fuck off Oriko
>Madokami crying all alone
>falls into despair
>we Gretchen now
You're not the boss of me
you wanna test that theory
I hope Akuma Homura is burning Oriko in meguca hell.
Hurting the Madoka is not acceptable.
What exactly does meguca hell consist of?
well too bad, you can't do that either
It doesn't exist. Hopefully it never does.
Homura is such a buzzkill.
>homura when I confess
Little does she know, that answer is exactly what I want.
bald, faceless qbs
>Is that not what she's doing?
She is still sacrificing herself to save Madoka from her own decision. Madoka witnessed all the horrors of being puella magi in the series' main timeline before building the courage and reaching her decision to become the Law of Cycles. It was a decision she made with no regrets--just as she said before going to fight Walpurgisnacht in the first timeline.
In the flower field scene, she does say she lacks the courage, but she's not a developed Madoka. That was her expressing fleeting passion without context for the question and really shows just how small Homura thinks Madoka is. The proper question was presented at the end about the value of law.
>If she can somehow do that without needing to sacrifice everything, she would.
But she doesn't. She's an altruist and puts everyone else's life or happiness before her own. She does every single time.
>Why would you not fight that?
Because she made her call and is satisfied running Yurivalhalla.
>Why would you try to defend that outcome by saying Homura/Madoka are the problem?
The balance demands her sacrifice no matter what; that's how puella magi work. They are all on the chopping block the moment they contract. I wouldn't say Madoka is necessarily a problem. She did make a wish for the sake of others, and it backfired in Rebellion. However, she was content with that sacrifice. There is no perfect happy ending. Living without regret is the best ending. End of rambling.
fun is too dangerous
it's probably a trick
>there is no perfect happy ending
Yes there is, the one where Madoka kills Homura and brings balance to the universe.
Careful with that edge, son. You may cut someone.
What? It's what Homura wants, and it's what Madoka has to do. There's no in between, it'd be best to destory Homura now that she's become a threat to puella magi and the universe itself and let Madoka go back to spreading hope. Homura's evil now, she deserves retribution.
Homura isn't evil you shit.
>She is still sacrificing herself to save Madoka from her own decision. Madoka witnessed all the horrors of being puella magi in the series' main timeline before building the courage and reaching her decision to become the Law of Cycles
I like how you completely omit Homura's protecting during all of this. Madoka could not do any of what she did without Homura, and vice-versa.
The flower scene is her true feelings, as stated by Shinbo. That's what she wants, but not what she will do. That's the ideological difference stated at the end, law vs love.
>But she doesn't. She's an altruist and puts everyone else's life or happiness before her own. She does every single time.
We know this, but why is it bad to try and find another way, if the possibility is there?
>Because she made her call and is satisfied running Yurivalhalla.
This is the thing that a lot of people fall back on/make up. The guidebook calls Madoka's existence as the law of cycles tantamount to some mass collective consciousness of souls without bodies, not a happy afterlife world. I heard it doesn't even have cheese.
>The balance demands her sacrifice no matter what; that's how puella magi work
So what? This is the weird part, why would you argue for Madoka's sacrifice? Aren't you basically a Kyubey fag here?
I wouldn't call what Homura did a "perfect happy ending", but it's at least a happy ending for Homura, and maybe potentially for the others too.
Do you not think that Madoka's sacrifice and efforts can be improved upon? Don't you think it's a little unfair for all the girls to be separated? Aren't their still problems with the magical girl system if Sayaka still has to die?
Homura did somehow keep the law of cycles in tact, she just tore Madoka out of it. So she is not destroying what Madoka did, just giving her what she wants and trying to build a world where she can be happy without needing to sacrifice herself.
Your definition of "happy ending" seems to diverge significantly from most people's.
She's playing with everyone like they're her personal playthings, she trampled over Madoka's desires to keep her all to herself, she clearly states she's a force of evil capable of destroying the universe, and she's gone mad with power. She's not the same Homrua anymore and she needs to be stopped.
Calm the fuck down
>She is still sacrificing herself to save Madoka from her own decision
Whoops, you're talking about Homura here, somehow missed that. Ignore that first sentence.
>she trampled over Madoka's desires to keep her all to herself
>keep her all to herself
Everything prior was inaccurate shit too, but that's where I stopped reading.
>why would you argue for Madoka's sacrifice? Aren't you basically a Kyubey fag here?
Not that guy, but QB's not the one who makes sacrifices necessary. Karmic balance is a property of the universe.
Is it me or is she not brushing very thoroughly
>she trampled over Madoka's desires to keep her all to herself
Anon, we're talking about Madoka Magica: The Rebellion Story here. I'm not sure what story you think we're talking about.
So yesterday I watched Rebellion, and I noticed that Godoka's arm had cuts around Her arm?
Is She a cutter?
She's exactly the same Homura as before, but now she doesn't have to hide her true feelings.
Also, the intent of that was to bully Sayaka.
She's not going to destroy the universe. It has Madoka in it, so it must be protected.
That's a clear signal that she wants you to help her finish brushing
Those are wounds from the Walpurgis fight in timeline three which Homura is reliving.
>tfw saw rebellion yesterday
Am I being blinded by the yuri or was the explanations for all the shenanigans actually fairly logical and in line with the series
Double Luminous is the cutest doujin ever.
Almost. Do you have any Sayakas?
>it's a mistake to make wishes in the first place
A summary of Kyubey fag arguments.
I'm sure you can rationalize the sacrifice in a lot of ways, but that doesn't make it right. The only one who is using the rationalization of the universe/karma/balance to constantly try to contract/sacrifice Madoka is Kyubey.
While Madoka did make a wish knowing she'd have to sacrifice herself, she did it out of necessity to save her friends/Homura and magical girls from witches.
It's only a mistake to make a wish if you're not willing to sacrifice for that wish. You can't get something for nothing. Eliminating witches is a huge, huge thing to wish for. A single girl's existence on the mortal plane is a small thing to offer in return. It's miraculous that Madoka was able to do it at all. Homura should be proud that she helped make that possible.
>Madoka could not do any of what she did without Homura
There would not have been any need for protection if she had been able to accept the original sacrifice.
>That's what she wants but not what she will do.
Yes, I said she chooses sacrifice every time. She also never had to actually sacrifice herself in the way she did, but she decided to do so because it's her nature.
>fall back on/make up
The point is that she is satisfied and made the decision with full knowledge of the consequences. It's what she wanted. Maybe you and Homura aren't satisfied, but that's how it is. Sayaka also chose to accept her wish and became a better character for it.
>It's at least a happy ending for Homura and potentially for the others too.
Everyone is trapped in her cage now and not even living with their own memories.
>Don't you think it's a little unfair? Aren't there still problems with the magical girl system is Sayaka has to die?
It's unfair that people can't get exactly what the want all the time, and it always works out. That's just life.
All magical girls die. The conclusion to Sayaka's story was acceptance of her own sacrifice even if it didn't turn out the way she originally intended. Madoka specifically left it in place because she understood what it meant to her.
Thank you for talking about Madoka with me, anon. It's pretty cool when people actually discuss it.
She can't because she's a selfish, spiteful cunt. She only cares about Madoka and would trade the world for her. She would kill every man, woman and child in the universe if it meant caging up Madoka for her to look at.
She was, until she became a witch.
Bowmura was happy fighting for Madoka until the day she could see her again.
>She would kill every man, woman and child in the universe if it meant caging up Madoka for her to look at.
No she wouldn't, that's silly.
Not once did she kidnap Madoka and take her far way from Walpurgisnacht. She was outraged at the idea that she was living in a false dream world, and when given the chance to make her dream world reality, she took it.
She may have been happy at first, but the stuff she says about starting to even doubt if her memories were real implies that it got harder as time went on.
I don't get to come here as often as I used to or watch as much anime as I used to, but I will never forget how much fun I had in Madoka threads here while the show was airing.
mami > homu
It was all Madoka's fault. She should've taken Homu's memories to begin with.
Homu > Mami
Of course it did, and I'm sure Kyubey helped her out on the way.
>Why is human though so irrational? Why do you believe things with absolutely no evidence to support it?
AI YO really came as a surprise to me, but it shouldn't have.
Homu a best.
madoka will forgive homura
the guilt will break what remains of homuhomu
madoka's boundless love will only be answered by unfathomable hate from homura
why? because meguca is the genesis story of classic mahou shoujo universes.
Only valid from Madoka Thursday to Saturday.
>The point is that she is satisfied and made the decision with full knowledge of the consequences.
But she made that decision to save her friends and magical girls, not to leave her family/friends behind by sacrificing herself.
>Everyone is trapped in her cage now and not even living with their own memories.
Kyubey said it's the same thing as Madoka did. It's not a dream world, it's not a cage, it is the real world.
>It's unfair that people can't get exactly what the want all the time, and it always works out. That's just life.
No one is getting exactly what they want, there's obviously still consequences here, it's just not totally clear what they are. Still, this sounds like the logic of a pessimist. Good things can still happen, it doesn't have to end in sacrifice and suffering every time.
>All magical girls die.
>implying magical girls can't stop aging with a little magic experience
>The conclusion to Sayaka's story was acceptance of her own sacrifice even if it didn't turn out the way she originally intended. Madoka specifically left it in place because she understood what it meant to her.
I don't know, seems like the life of Sayaka is far too high a price for violin fag's hand. Sayaka also wanted to be a hero of justice, to do good as a magical girl like how she thought Mami did. That's at least part of the reason she dies no matter what(instead of becoming like Kyouko and surviving).
>being together with Homura forever
Let's being together in void since we can't live a human life anymore is good?
Nope, living a human life together is better than living in void together forever.
Living in void without anything not gonna cause you any sadness but will also not gona give you any happiness too.
Bebe want a cheese or Sayaka live happily in Homura's dream world is good example that Madoka's Yuri Vahalla is a void without sadness and happiness. Its nothingness that worse than death.
You're talking out your ass. No one has any idea what meguca afterlife is like, but Madoka's manner seems to indicate it's a pleasant place.
>I heart Homu Homu
>the heart is an ancient symbol of savagery, dating back to cannibalistic, tribal rituals serving to transfer a dead man's lifepower by eating his heart
Madoka must really hate Homu Homu.
>but Madoka's manner seems to indicate it's a pleasant place.
Kyouko > Mami > Homu > Madoka > Sayaka
> * > Sayaka
At least we can agree on that.
Madoka will cry, and Homura will never forgive herself for that.
I'm hoping for some kind of dualism ending, with Homura having an equally important role as Madokami. Mostly I just want to see the two of them finally together on their own terms.
Both Homura and Madokami represent accepting your own suffering as the price of your wish, but in slightly different ways.
Homura > Kyouko > Madoka > Sayaka > Mami
Homu > Kyoko > Madoka > Mami > Sayaka
It's called law of cycle, where Magical Girl's soul got eaten by Madoka and trap inside her without able to escape forever. Homura is the only one who can seen through that and becomes the true saviour by releasing everyone from the hell created by Madoka including Madoka herself.
That's certainly an interesting theory, and it would make for one hell of a plot twist.
>homu in the middle
Most people have Homura as either best meguca or worst meguca.
>Madokami bitter smile
There might be something more to this. You know how Homura seems to embrace her despair as a devil, and it makes her act more uh...devilish?
What if Madoka's embrace of hope makes her act more... hopeful? You can see she isn't absolutely sure everything will be fine, but she is always coming back with "I just know it will be fine". I mean, it did seem to be fine, but maybe she had to hope otherwise her wish wouldn't succeed.
So she's not saying it will be okay because she's happy, she's saying it because she can't not hope, at least at that point. So she'd like to be with Homura or her family or have her normal life back, but she can't, and she can't despair at this point.
Not sure if I'm making sense anymore.
>If I break your soul gem will you die?
>It would be extremely painful.
>You're a big girl.
>Was capturing Madoka part of your plan?
>Of course! Madoka refused my help in favor of Kyubey's. I had to find out what happened to her.
>Nothing, I did nothing!
>Well congratulations, you caught Madoka. Now what's the next step in your master plan?
That isn't funny at all. Seriously, there's not a modicum of humor that derives from your poor forced shitty /tv/ batshit meme. Holy shit. Fuck off.
>But she made that decision to save her friends and magical girls, not to leave her family/friends behind by sacrificing herself.
She accepted the consequences of that decision.
>it's not a cage
I meant it's figuratively a cage. Everyone is subject to Homura's whims and are not living their lives as complete individuals with all their memories.
>logic of a pessimist
I consider it a good thing if the characters can be happy with themselves and their choices. Sacrifice itself isn't a bad thing; it's how the characters embrace it and the consequences of their own decisions that creates suffering.
>magical girls can stop aging
I'm assuming this is a joke.
>far too high of a price
From a utilitarian perspective that I think was explicitly stated by Homura, she could have cared for him her whole life and never seen his hand recover; in that way it's a fair trade if she valued her life so little. In the theatre though, Madoka and Sayaka specifically address whether she wanted to be saved. In order to do that, she would have to reverse the wish, which Sayaka did not want.
The reason she goes witch so quickly in the timeline we see is because she continues the pattern of trying to save everyone by wasting magic fighting familiars. At the core of this decision is her belief that her life is worth less than other people's. It's commentary on altruism.
Sayaka > Homura > Madoka > Mami > Kyouko
But all megucas are wonderful
You're all jerks.
Oh yeah, the loli.
The first fucking episode?
That can't be right, why's the background all red?
There's slight discoloration because it's from tumblr. The red is probably brown in the show.
Nagisa cannot be ranked yet. She could turn out to be pretty cool, or she could be completely worthless in every possible way. No matter where Nagisa is, Homu a best. For now the only time she did anything of value was in episode 3.
Homura > Kyouko > Madoka > Sayaka > Nagisa > Mami
Why yes, yes it is.
You do know that you can like Homura without hating Mami, right?
Nagisa is love and everything but she's originally a witch. And we've only seen her only a few minutes in Rebellion.
God dammit tumblr, why?
Yes. I tried to like Mami, but when I watched the series again she kept rubbing me the wrong way.
Tumblr has a 1MB limit so to get .gifs on there they cut the frame rate, make it small as shit, add a bunch of filters and remove color.
Just watched Rebellion
fucking worth paying 45 bucks
I'll give it a go. I don't want to dislike any of the megucas, especially when they just want to be nice and have tea with their friends.
Someone should make an edit for Homura, it actually fits rather well.
>Likes: guns, Madoka, coffee, homosexuality, protecting and...staying up all night
>Dislike: heteros and Kyubey
This is not the first time I've read that anons have paid so much to watch Rebellion. What country did you see it in?
It was worth two hundred to see it in theatres. No regrets.
Read, like, right now. It really reveals a lot of Mami's character.
>Implying a happy Madoka can defeat the Mami sadness vortex
It fits your fanfic Homu you mean.
The Different Story is pretty much the only way to go here
She and Kyouko are the main characters since they lacked development in the series itself, and the manga incorporates a lot of their development that was only briefly mentioned in the show at best but was talked about in the Extra Material a lot more.
Also it gives a good showing of Kyouko's original magic ability before she cursed herself to not be able to use it anymore. Although the chance of her being able to use it in the new time-line is there, since she only needs to forgive herself.
Mexico, ticket came with one of these things at random and the movie artbook. I was hoping to get one with Homura and I nailed it
>She accepted the consequences of that decision.
Indeed, but she still shouldn't have to do that if there's another way.
>Everyone is subject to Homura's whims and are not living their lives as complete individuals with all their memories.
Homura didn't do anything different from what Madoka did beyond clapping Sayaka. She does not interfere with their lives, she simply did what Madoka did and reorganized the rules of the world.
>I consider it a good thing if the characters can be happy with themselves and their choices. Sacrifice itself isn't a bad thing; it's how the characters embrace it and the consequences of their own decisions that creates suffering.
Yes, but why did they make those choices? Because of the inherent cruelty of the magical girl system and/or world. They aren't making a wish to sacrifice themselves, they are trying to fight/fix a wrong or injustice(as they see it).
>I'm assuming this is a joke.
Maybe, maybe not.
>From a utilitarian perspective that I think was explicitly stated by Homura, she could have cared for him her whole life and never seen his hand recover; in that way it's a fair trade if she valued her life so little. In the theatre though, Madoka and Sayaka specifically address whether she wanted to be saved. In order to do that, she would have to reverse the wish, which Sayaka did not want.
Sure, but what about the new world? Sayaka seems very happy to me, and her problem with Homura didn't seem to come from invalidating sacrifices, but rather some issue with the her tampering with the law of cycles.
I would also again state that part of the reason she goes witch so fast is because she refuses to embrace the use of magic for herself at others' expense. To simplify that into "I don't think my life is worth anything" is unfair, in my opinion.
Also it's not exactly clear that Sayaka was in total agreement with that outcome, but okay.
Where did you saw it? I wanted to go, but I forgot about it until it was too late, and going to another city to watch it was such a hassle.
You're the life of the party, anon.
My... my hearth.
Does anyone know where this is from?
No, OP. Only this can make me happy.
Nice color levels, tumblr
Mexico City, well you could have ended like people yesterday at one other city where some shit happened and they didn't get to watch the movie until today
some of them did go all the way there from other states just to be turned back
Mitakihara Antimaterials, from Kirara Magica.
>She does not interfere with their lives, she simply did what Madoka did and reorganized the rules of the world.
Bull, she doesn't interfere with their lives as long as she doesn't perceive them as threats to her or Madoka. The fact that she has no compunctions about rewriting Sayaka's memory very clearly paints her as the dictator of this new universe. For now she's, if not benevolent, than at least benign, but that's kind of the definition of being subject to her whims.
Just like my goddess, Homu.
Out of curiosity, which city was that?
>tfw I paid less than 100 mxn for a ticket
did you got some hot merch from spending that much, however?
I guess so, but she did not harm Sayaka. She clapped away the law of cycles influence.
Point being she's not playing with puppets inside a cage, they are all their actual selves and they are not interfered with.
I think it was Villahermosa, Tabasco.
Who culichi here
Villahermosa, did you dodge a bullet there?
>"Being in the snow with Madoka like this gives me a special feel--"
Aguascalientes so closest one was Guadalajara.
Madoka halfway between human and goddess forms is great, we need more art of her.
forgot to say I was there yesterday
this however was shown today
>The real reason Homura tore Madoka in two
>can't finish the phrase
i'm dying here
>last frame of the movie
Uh, no, the last frame of the movie is homura diving headfirst off a cliff.
>"let's destroy this world"
>She still shouldn't have to do that.
She could have completely ignored everything and never made a contract, but she didn't even with perfect information. That's just who she is, and I don't know why you think you have to save her from herself.
>Homura didn't do anything different from what Madoka did
Madoka didn't interfere with anything at all and only changed the ending of a magical girl's life. Homura breaks teacups and wipes memories so everything works.
>Sayaka seems very happy
She wasn't when she had full knowledge of the situation.
>some issue with her tampering with the law of cycles
>Also it's not exactly clear that Sayaka was in total agreement with that outcome.
Madoka said that she could have saved her by eliminating the wish but thought Sayaka wouldn't have wanted that. Sayaka agreed and gives Hitomi her blessing. In Rebellion she demonstrates that she has truly moved on when she refers to her "life experience." It's not ambiguous at all.
>To simplify that into "I don't think my life is worth anything" is unfair
It's that she considers her life worth less than another--not worthless. Everything she does is for someone else regardless of how it affects her. This is the actual philosophy of altruism at its core; the characters are just Gen playing with different ideologies.
I still have to read for Torts; what are you doing to me, anon?
I got a KyouSaya board and the experience, which is enough for me.
>Homura takes off her purple ribbons and goes "I won't depend on anyone anymore"
>Madoka gives her the red ribbon and oppresses Homura's wish
>Madoka takes off her yellow ribbons doing the same thing in Rebellion ending
>Homura gives her the red ribbon and oppresses Madoka's wish
should I watch madoka magica? I liked saya no uta
what does /a/ think of sayaka's breakdance?
Homura did nothing wrong.
Goofy looking dance for a goofy looking girl.
I have no idea what the latter is but yes you should watch madoka
It's shit according to trolls and plebs
>I have no idea what the latter is
Jesus christ it's one thing if you haven't read it
This is the current state of /a/
Wow. You don't know what Saya no Uta is. Just. Wow. This is what /a/ has become?
>Homura did everything Ai Yo
Sayaka is now officially Mitakihara's Dance Queen.
Nah, Homura is.
ballet > break dancing
it's a visual novel from the same writer
look it up, it's great
It does actually. She's not even my favorite Mahou Shoujo, but Madoka always makes me happy
I just looked it up and now I remember reading about it. Thanks for being pricks, dear friends from 2006
I will now, thanks
Nice cover up, newfriend.
There is no character cuter than Madoka. None.
>that cute cotton candy hair that looks like it smells heavenly
>those perfectly cute little shoes
don't forget the Madokadonk
To give you an idea, as far as visual novels go it essentially sounds like you just said "I have no idea what Madoka is" on /a/
Now that you remember reading it, you can go and read it
I want to run my fingers through Homura's soft hair.
>that broken heart
>those regrets over letting Homura sacrifice herself
but the Madonkadonk is non-canon and is sexy not cute
I just want to do so many things to Madoka. Fuck.
I want to cut it off and take away any remaining sense of self-worth
Why is my waifu, Miki Sayaka, so very perfect and so very hetoersexual in which she loves only me?
Stop wasting tomatoes children!
Some men just want to watch Madoka threads burn
Don't worry. I'm too tired to actually post. I'm just going to go to bed and play some Bravely Default.
I want to be her
Thank you. I didn't expect Mami to be such a mess in the mornings, that is just adorable.
Read volume 1 so far.
I kinda feel bad for Mami, but I totally get Kyouko.
I want to magica her.
It'll make for the saddest of Mamis.
I'm going to go print out pictures of sayaka and cum on them and then write "Kevin" with the cum
I'd be a Madoka if it got me a homu homu.
I'd make a terrible Madoka though. If I was one of the megucas, I'd be somewhere between Kyoko and Homura.
Keep reading, the ride has yet to leave the station.
You have so much to learn little Mumifag.
I think I've worked out how the next movie will unfold.
Sayaka will retain her memories.
She will then put on a suit, a pair of sunglasses, and a nice hat.
She will then proceed to put the band back together.
I just want to be able to look into the mirror every day and see this >>101811784 and be the softest
>Homura curb stomps Sayaka in opening scene.
>remainder of movie is Homura and Madoka
Id buy it twice.
What instrument does Mami play?
No, I don't want to read it again. And yet, now I am feeling like if I must ;_;
That's pretty good, actually.
Good so far, but can't we squeeze in some HomuKyou being best bros?
Should be drums, but Kyouko claimed it first.
You know what you must do, Anon.
It's not good or bad. Just correct.
She's on vocals. She can really open her throat when she sings.
Kyouko > Madoka > Mami > vomit > Sayaka >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dogshit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homu
>List without any '=' symbols
>She could have completely ignored everything and never made a contract, but she didn't even with perfect information. That's just who she is, and I don't know why you think you have to save her from herself.
I don't know why you think this is some choice Madoka makes because she feels like leaving her family/friends. She needs to be saved from having to sacrifice herself, not be saved from herself.
>Madoka didn't interfere with anything at all and only changed the ending of a magical girl's life
Madoka caused the reorganization of the universe and the creation of wraiths because of her interference. Kyouko and Mami were brought back to life with no memories of their previous world.
>She wasn't when she had full knowledge of the situation.
She seems to have had a problem with Homura tampering with the law of cycles. The fact that she almost cried when seeing Hitomi and Kyousuke again suggests she does remember something, just that the law of cycles part is vague or missing.
>Madoka said that she could have saved her by eliminating the wish but thought Sayaka wouldn't have wanted that. Sayaka agreed and gives Hitomi her blessing. In Rebellion she demonstrates that she has truly moved on when she refers to her "life experience." It's not ambiguous at all.
Nah, she's crying, and she even mentions that that while she's fine with it, she's a little upset with how things turned out. Point being that things can still be better, hence the new Homuverse where she looks the happiest I've seen her.
>It's that she considers her life worth less than another--not worthless
Right, but you made it sound like she has the choice of "killing others for herself", which isn't a choice from her point of view, which is why she always turns into a witch every time, and why Kyouko is so inspired by her.
Stop giving me so much attention and go do your homework, I have to leave for a while anyway.
>Kyokobros who doesn't like Homura
It's okay taste.
>dat mami O face
Her movements are in sync with my music. MARVELOUS!
with all the crap kyouko eats, I bet they're willing to put some product placement soon
This image says otherwise!
Put them in suits and we're done.
I mean during the series/movies, not outside of them.
>long stick chco
The Kyouko tripfag a while back really hated Homura. I blame him for the existence of Kyoukobros who hate Homura.
I can imagine they're enjoying the view.
That's dumb. They keyboardfag is always the one writing the music, and Mami is clearly the one who should be writing all the Megucas songs.
It just makes sense.
Kyoubro? God, he was such a fucking faggot, I'm happy that he disappeared for good.
>Homura writing the songs
>they're all about Madoka and suffering
>the Madonkadonk is non-canon
Nah, she'd just write the music. Generally it's the frontman writing lyrics.
Near the other tripfags, he is fine.
Mamiaccountant was the only acceptable Madoka tripfag, and she hardly ever posted.
Sometimes is just too hard not to.
>She needs to be saved from having to sacrifice herself.
We just disagree here. I don't think she has to be saved from her own choice.
>reorganization and memory wipe for Kyouko and Mami
That was just a side effect. The universe simply moved to make room for her, and all the timelines Homura created had to be merged. No one kept their memory because it was actually a giant reset. Madoka did not directly cause that.
>She seems to have had a problem with Homura tampering
Yes, she's not happy in the new world unless she forgets everything.
>upset with how things turned out
It wasn't the perfect situation, but she accepted it and even consented to keeping it in place.
I'll probably head out soon too. Finished Property, and now I'm just doodling Kyubey explaining various doctrines on my Contracts notes.
That's about it.
Sweet Mami 4 when? It better be an improvement, unlike 3.
Those two pairs of legs were made for eachother
If other girls are so good, why don't they have drills?
What am I looking at?
>white teeth crushing mami's head.jpg
Who needs drills when you have JUSTICE?
When I saw sayaka's shadow revealing her witch form, I thought "this is some persona shit right here"
Nope, still needs drills.
>2º game, 2º scene
The second game was the best. SM3's Mami was... damn too slutty might I say, even if it's the purpose of it.
It's just my humble (and highly autistic) opinion, but if they ever get to make another one, hope it got a scene with first person, missionary and pic related.
Warned you it was autistic
And once again this pic is directed to me. I am starting to get proud for it.
Mami, go fuck a wheel of Gouda for your cheese gremlin.
This inspired me to brush my teeth again.
2 was a excellent sequel, 3 missed potential and didn't even have more than one scene expansion.
4 better have OL, wedding dress and more.
>Bringing innocent Nagisa into the argument
Another package of cheese had arrived. Mami was a bit distressed at how much was coming ever since Nagisa signed her up to those mailing lists. She would've simply stored the cheese away for when Nagisa came over, but recently Nagisa made a special request for her to fulfill whenever cheese arrived. To cum in the cheese. Mami reflected the bawdiness their relationship was descending to, but she could never find it in herself to say no to Nagisa. Her dick however was getting sore from all the cheese fucking.
Something Mami had discovered about the brands of cheese particularly notable for having holes is that they really weren't supposed to. Famous cheeses like Emmental and Jarlsberg were higher grade when they had less and smaller holes. Mami found that simply sticking her dick into the cheese wasn't quite an easy task. On top of that there were also the cheese that were simply just solid and lacking in any type of hole. Nagisa's response to this excuse was that Mami should simply penetrate harder.
Mami sighed as she remembered that looking upon the solid wheel of Gouda in front of her. She took out a knife from the kitchen and began the process by stabbing a hole in the round side of it. Not cutting any of it out, but simply wedging a knife into it and shaking it a bit to create a barely manageable hole. Then she took the knife off and her skirt off. Dragging her pantyhose down, Mami positioned her dick at the hole while holding the cheese against a particular section of her apartment wall she kept cleaner specifically for this. Mami drooled a long trail of saliva onto her erect penis as a final preparation.
Then she put it in. It was a rough fit even with her saliva lubricating it. She had to press herself against the Gouda wheel positioned between herself and the wall as she slowly shoved her dick into it. Finally it was all the way to the hilt, Mami's pelvic region touching the cheese as well. The Gouda wheel was a bit more of an oval at this point from being squeezed between Mami and the wall. Mami began to thrust. It was slow at first, but eventually Mami got faster and faster, smearing her cock inside the wheel. It was rough on her dick.
The textures of cheese varied wildly. Some were soft and creamy, others hard and solid. Gouda was one of the harder ones. Still, Mami was experienced at this point. Pounding the Gouda with all her strength as she struggled to reach climax. She found fantasizing helped, she imagined herself fucking various people. Ranging from Nagisa obviously, her underclassmen, characters from magical girl anime, and occasionally even some of Nagisa's classmates. Then she finished. Spurting into the Gouda, angling it downward hunched over it as she drained herself into the wheel.
"Smells delicious," said Nagisa who had apparently been watching unnoticed from right next to Mami. Mami jumped a bit in surprise, cheese wheel falling out of her hands and off her softening dick. Nagisa caught it quickly though, "Hey, be careful with the cheese!" she scolded. Mami was a bit dazed by the irony of the situation. She was also pondering if Nagisa was going to eat the Gouda then and there as she was staring at it intensely. Nagisa had told her it was best to wait for the semen to sit, dry, and be absorbed into the cheese before eating however. Nagisa then took a long whiff of the hole Mami had made and used. "I think I'll try adding my flavor to it for once," Nagisa said as she undid her clothes.
Nagisa stripped entirely bare for some reason, from head to toe, perhaps finding it most comfortable. Readying the wheel, her lubrication method was to simply lick the hole in the wheel. Mami watched as Nagisa started fucking the cheese wheel she was fucking just moments prior while entirely nude. "Mami, strip," Nagisa suddenly commanded her while thrusting into the cheese. Mami complied as quickly as she could. She felt a bit happy at how Nagisa was staring at her while pounding the Gouda. Despite being sore from having cum just moments before, Mami was getting an erection again from both watching and being watched.
In fact, Mami started masturbating, pointing her dick at the cheese wheel while stroking furiously and facing Nagisa. Nagisa was getting close to orgasm, increasing in tempo as she thrust back and forth. She stuck her head forward and started sucking on one of Mami's breasts as they were right in front of her face. Mami started playing with the ignored tit, one hand groping her ignored breast, her other hand on her dick. It was an overall complex sight. A young girl was fucking a cheese wheel while sucking on the tit of a woman who was pleasuring herself right in front of her. When Nagisa climaxed, she bit tightly on Mami's nipple as she let loose into the Gouda, in turn causing Mami to jolt and cum herself, over the cheese wheel and on Nagisa as well.
After wrapping and storing the cheese, they decided to take a shower and bath together. When they came out though, it seemed that another package of cheese had arrived. Nagisa smiled excitedly. Mami smiled a bit tiredly.
I need to add this to the SS13 Library.
I don't even know anymore, man.
>but she could never find it in herself to say no to Nagisa. Her dick...
Go rot in the most rotten hell
There is absolutely no Yuri manga with forced teeth brushing leading to foreplay is there?
>Nagisa then took a long whiff of the hole Mami had made and used. "I think I'll try adding my flavor to it for once," Nagisa said as she undid her clothes.
pls anon make it stop
Shut the hell up, Sayaka.
Not now Sayaka, there are things that must be done.
>just finished the different story
I think I've forgiven Mami.
Damn, that was quick. Hope you enjoyed it.
Yes man! It does! Geeeeez.
The last frame of the movie excluding the epilogue is WHO DREAMS
I don't hold my friends' hands a lot.
And they all hate you for it.
It feels right too; I don't know if I want to smile or cry.
As long as Homu has her Madoka it will all be okay.
This is where I lost it while reading DS. It really changed my perspective on Mami and Homura's relationship.
That one little panel was so powerful, and I think a lot people over looked it.
The point to consider is that the universe may or may not be contained within something similar to a labyrinth.
Either way though, Homura rewrote the universe to reinclude Madoka. Even if she had only done that I would stand by her actions.
What exactly is going on with Mami and Nagisa there? Is Mami waiting outside of Nagisa's house or something and then they see each other and hold hands for some reason? Hanokage's certainly shipping them pretty hard.
Ｉ ＡＳＳＵＲＥ ＴＨＡＴ ＨＯＭＵ ＬＯＶＥＳ ＭＡＤＯＫＡ ＩＮ ＰＵＲＥ ＡＮＤ ＰＬＡＴＯＮＩＣ ＷＡＹ．
ＴＨＯＳＥ ＦＩＬＴＨＹ ＤＯＪＩＮ ＷＨＩＣＨ ＤＥＰＩＣＴ ＨＯＭＵ Ａ ＰＥＲＶＥＲＴ ＡＬＷＡＹＳ ＭＡＫＥ ＭＥ ＭＡＤ．
>kyouko: muh games
>mami: muh tabloid news
>uses a laptop to play games
>uses a desktop to read
>As long as Homu has her Madoka it will all be okay.
>Urobutchi: When it comes to Mami, even if she and Homura do their best to get along, they’ll definitely wind up fighting if they’re honest with each other. No matter how Homura reveals the truth, it’s going to hurt Mami. So Homura ignores her rather than hurt her
Only as long as she doesn't have to hurt Mami.
They could live together. History was rewritten so we don't know how Nagisa's story meshes up--it's even more intriguing because she doesn't have her ring in any of the movie or manga scenes of the ending, but this is an ambiguous point because we don't see her in non-magi, non-witch form before the ending, so we don't know if she even has a ring (though it's shown up in art once, iirc)
But anyway, looks to me like Mami and Nagisa are walking home from shopping, and Nagisa was walking behind Mami but she runs up to catch her so they can hold hands.
Shipping? They're like a mother and her child, ha ha.
>he doesnt play his waifu
>AI YO is love
>that lewd devil dress that's only for Madokami to see
Homura is probably sexualizing the megucas and then hating herself for it.
More like cake recipes.
There's pretty much no way for Mami to handle learning that she'd become the things she'd been fighting against for years.
Mami deserved to know about Madokami's sacrifice and the old universe too. That would make her happy.
It could be a big sister, little sister kind of thing. Mami is pretty good at that.
But I do.
Personally I didn't cry, is pretty hard that something makes me drop a tear. But I surely can say that it gave me a bitter taste. It was really depressing discovering about Kyoko and Mami's past together, but remembering that it was just the past (another timeline, etc) and that their present is a lot brighter in comparison, it just left me on a sad note.
Still, for me, the ending was more leaned to crying.
It would be pretty funny if someone makes a Homura and Kyoko mod for gtav since it's coming to PC soon.
If I speak in the tongues of mortal or of angels, but do not have AI YO, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have AI YO, I am nothing.
If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have AI YO, I gain nothing.
Past bits still happened in whatever time-lines (unless you subscribe to the theory that involves Kyousuke being a guitarist in one line, however that theory all goes). Though Mami and Kyouko have made up as of the last timeline it seems, and are doing better these days.
Fuck guitarist Kyousuke. Just fuck him.
Well, what happens with Homura's power is that going back in time and undoing events is not what she does. She jumps into new realities like a slider. Apparently this means that tiny, visceral differences are possible--ones that really don't alter anything in the long run (apparently they don't subscribe to the idea of the Butterfly Effect over at SHAFT).
>She jumps into new realities like a slider
I refuse to believe this
This chart made a cameo in Rebellion too.
But it's how guitarKyousuke is a thing and it' the premise Madoka's powerup works, anon.
Since Homura's wish has Madoka as the focus, the karmic threads of her wish bind all of her Madokas together and their power increases by one base Madoka with every loop. That's why the final Madoka has a power approaching 100 base Madokas.
Oh right, some people think she goes to different time-lines as long as long as they fit the same ideal and she appears on that day, and some people think she goes back in time each time
There's probably proof for both, but the idea of alternate time-lines causes some controversy since she would be basically killing hundreds of potential Earth's each time she let it ride or didn't just kill Madoka upon arriving, However that's not how she operates, and those worlds were going to die anyway naturally around that time, Homura just have them a small chance where they didn't have to go.
Urobuchi said so in an interview. However, even if you say "fuck that" and invoke Death of the Author, there's a chart in the background during the series that implies it.
That chart doesn't show anything. Even if it did, the physics in Madoka is so lose, invoking a multiple worlds theory is beyond the scope of the show. Going back in time, or going to "another" universe doesn't mater. The past is quite literally, another universe. In that sense it's almost just a semantic difference between "time travel" and "sliding" So just put the pop sci books down and call it time travel.
>premise Madoka's powerup works, anon.
Oh come on. The explanation behind the power up is far too weak to make that claim. We're just told that Homura's actions, being centered around Madoka, bring her extra karmic potential. Saying they come from Homura moving through space is no different than saying they come from Homura moving through time.
If the mechanics were a simple reset, Madoka would have no reason to also ask Homura for an mercy kill in one of the Episode 10 timelines. Madoka believed the world remain even after Homura traveled back in time. We can probably presume Madoka learned about Homura's wish in from Homura in that timeline. If Homura had explained how her wish worked to Madoka in some unseen scene, then Homura probably shared Madoka's understanding as well.
Megucas make me cry like a little girl.
A Mami would work well in a universe with Madokami.
Maybe it increases exponentially.
>I don't like this at all but I can't bring up any evidence to support my points, so I'm going to vehemently deny all of the opposing evidence by parroting "no" over and over.
Cool, just don't advertise your fanfiction on /a/, please.
>The chart and guitar Kyousuke are irrelevant because I say so
You invoke 'death of the author' and completely disregard 'Chekhov's gun' in the same breath. Your biased intent to include everything that is convenient for your truth and ignore all of the inconveniences is quite clear.
Good taste, anon.
Why all the Sayaka hate? All she was trying to do was make people happy...
>death of the author' and completely disregard 'Chekhov's gun'
To be fair, those are hardly on the same level. One's an accepted aspect of modern literary criticism, the other's just a plot device.
And she fucked over everything in the process affecting those around her.
I used to like Kyouko and Mami equally but after Rebellion I like Mami more. That fight was too good.
you son of a lewd, this isn't a breast cup contest.
That's not a totally petty reason to like a character.
That makes me wonder, why doesn't she mercy kill Madoka in more timelines?
Part of what drove Homura was fulfilling Madoka's promise to not let her become a witch, but we even see Gretchen in one of the timelines. I suppose it's possible that Homura missed her chance, but it'd be a big fuck up on her part to let Gretchen come out if she new that that universe would go on once she left.
You're right, it's not. Anon said they were equal and that the fight was a tipping point.
Homura fucked up far worse. Multiple times. For her selfish desires.
They say autists can't detect sarcasm.
>implying that didn't happen because Sayaka was a bitch in every timeline.
That's true. I never said Homura wasn't any worse.
You're the only "lewd" here if you can't see past Mami breasts and see what a wonderful person she is.
Rebellion wouldn't have happened if Homura didn't have to be a dumbass and tell Kyuubey about the witches in the new universe and that had nothing to do with Sayaka.
I don't think her character extends more than just a lonely girl with ironically large breasts
>For her selfish desires.
Sayakafag, ladies and gentle.
Do you even nee san?
That's called 'playing it straight', anon. Going along with the sarcasm in one sentence, and rebutting what the sarcasm was implying in the next sentence.
Of course, you knew that, which is why your post is just butthurt ad hominem.
Relax kiddo. The point is, you're an autist and you have shit taste.
Some people just don't understand JUSTICE, anon. It's okay, she doesn't do it for the prestige.
Sure is justice in here. Kill people for saying things you don't like and all.
Except she does exactly for the prestige?
>this scene is totally canon
Look, mistakes were made. What's important is that we learned from them.
Sayakafags still deny that scene? How cute.
>he thinks sayaka didn't kill them
>Posting the inferior brand of justice
Reminder that Homura is saint-tier on par with Madoka in terms of net good accomplished. Sayaka will succeed them both.
>he thinks sayaka killed them
>denying something that doesn't even exist
Haters gonna hate
Justice is justice anon, it's not a competition.
>fight for "justice" or something
>get's upset when no one notices her efforts.
>arguing about a scene that was deliberately left ambiguous
You poor deluded tool.
Mami is original justice. Accept no substitutions.
>>get's upset when no one notices her efforts.
I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to.
JUSTICE is a concept that has existed since time immemorial, anon. Obviously it is Mami's role as the Justice Senpai to help spread the word.
>husbando doesn't know what she did
>douche bags on train don't give to shits about her efforts to save people
>murders them in cold blood
Only a retarded Sayakafag would ignore the extremely heavy implication that she murdered them.
>implying Mami believed in justice
>implying she didn't want to just impress her friends
Sayaka was the only one willing to die for justice.
In the end, it all comes back to crippling loneliness.
Maybe if you tried actually explaining what the fuck you're talking about rather than some really vague greentext bullshit this would go better. You're saying that Sayaka was upset that Kyousuke didn't know what she did for him? I don't see how you can have gotten that out of the series, she had a lot of things she was upset about and that did not rank high among them.
>Sayaka was the only one willing to die for justice.
No, Sayaka was just too naive and stubborn to change its way, Mami was willing to kill her friends because it was the right thing to do.
>>Sayaka was the only one willing to die for justice.
>No, Sayaka was just too naive and stubborn to change its way
How do those two statements contradict each other at all?
>because she believed it was the right thing to do.
Always remember that justice is all in your head and is subjective anon
She didn't die for justice. She died because she made a selfish wish on a small scale that was extrapolated into total despair because magical girls are especially vulnerable to negative emotions.
>justice is all in your head
BEGONE, FOUL WITCH!
Just gonna shitpost all night anon? You're living the dream.
>implying JUSTICE isn't objective stone-cold fact
She died, in large part, because she was unwilling to take Kyouko's advice and live for herself at the expense of others. She refused to compromise on her ideals. That's pretty justice.
>in your head
You did that on purpose, right?
>Sayaka was the only one willing to die for justice.
That's a nice way of saying "waiting for death while pursuing justice". She didn't have to die. Kyouko tried to give her an out several times, but she figured, "hey, I'm already dead on the inside, may as well be a walking talking accident waiting to happen so I'm dead all around."
That's no way to be a champion of justice, or any ideal. That's just a lame ass way to commit suicide.
The blue/yellow brand of 'justice' entails bigotry against anyone who doesn't subscribe to your ideology.
If that's justice, I think I'll pass.
>Kyouko tried to give her an out several times
But the only "out" would have been to give up on her ideals and become a survivalist like Kyouko. Sayaka considered that to be totally unacceptable.
No, that's just blue. >>101843063
Bigotry? Sayaka was perfectly willing to let Kyouko do her thing as long as she didn't get in Sayaka's way. She understood why Kyouko lived the way she did, she was just unable to do the same thing. Mami was much the same, she didn't go out of her way to come into conflict with Homura. It turned out Homura had a very good reason for acting the way she did, but there was no way for Mami to have known that.
No, she died in large part because for a variety of reasons she didn't pursue Kyousuke and it ate her up. If she was simply pursuing her ideal, she would've been like, "Thanks for the grief seed, Homura. I appreciate the gesture, as these are pretty fucking valuable and you put your life on the line earning them."
man this shit is complex
I think you, and Sayakafags in general, are confusing foolheartedness for nobility. She outright refuses soulgems. Even people who fast for their values don't stop breathing drinking water. There's nothing wrong with dying for what you believe in, but Sayaka's death doesn't advance the cause of "justice". So what did she die for? nothing.
you mean, 2deep4u?
Even alone and against the odds, one must fight against the creatures that would lurk in the shadows seeking to harm innocent people. Even when it means harming yourself or your own friends to do what is right.
Don't let the witches win.
Yes, there was more than one factor that led to her fall, but you cannot discount her unwillingness to compromise on her ideals as a very major one.
I believe she wouldn't want to use grief seeds what with them being the souls of dead magical girls and using them up for her personal gain would be wrong. That seems pretty damn noble to me.
>Sayaka was perfectly willing to let Kyouko do her thing as long as she didn't get in Sayaka's way.
You forgot the first encounter they had?
And she don't know that, she rejects them because she thinks that Homura is eviiiil.
Is vegetarianism noble?
>using them up for her personal gain
It wouldn't be for her personal gain. It'd be for advancing the cause of justice.
Lastly, that's all a load of BS because she didn't know that witches were MGs.
>"Why should we believe you?"
>completely cuts her off by going on a bullshit rant of assumptions
>"Anyway, I don't like you and your bombs are dangerous."
Nah, Sayaka was definitely not receptive to inconvenient information. But hey, maybe timeline 3 Sayaka was a bit mean because she listened to metal instead of classical music, or something.
Seriously though, she's got flaws. She was the sole reason why timeline 3 didn't turn into a Magica Quintet.
What about it? Sayaka left well enough after that and Kyouko was the one who repeatedly pursued her.
Her own depression and suicidal tendencies toward the end don't devalue the ideals she started out with. She sees herself as worthless if she becomes unable to fight witches, which she was clearly becoming, grief seed or no.
>Sayaka's death doesn't advance the cause of "justice"
She saved probably a few dozen people in her short time as a magical girl, and she refused to take an easy way out that would have gotten people killed. Just because she didn't die in some grand gesture of sacrifice to save an orphanage or something doesn't mean her death didn't have meaning. Becoming someone who lives at the expense of others, or relying on the help of such a person, would have been detrimental to the cause of justice.
What about it?
Yes, she was being a bit too paranoid there, but I don't see what that has anything to do with "bigotry".
>But hey, maybe timeline 3 Sayaka was a bit mean because she listened to metal instead of classical music, or something.
The secret Incubator scheme to turn all magical girls cruel with the power of death metal is unfolding just as planned, I see.
>unwillingness to compromise on her ideals
She compromised on her ideals by not doing anything to stay alive. A dead champion isn't a champion.
It'd be one thing if it was a sacrifice, or martyrdom, but she just threw herself off a cliff and waited till she hit the bottom.
>One mustn't let creatures spread curses. It's better to fight like a retard until your sheer idiocy turns you into one of the creatures
Wow she saw Homura for the bitch she was all the way back then when no one else expected it and at the end of Rebellion is the only one who opposes her. Sayaka is truly a hero.
>She compromised on her ideals by not doing anything to stay alive
Uh, what? Her ideals involve not living at the expense of others. Once it becomes impossible for her to live in any way but at the expense of others, she has no choice but to die.
Why could Homura just get a camcorder and record the events unfolding?
Because that would be the smart thing to do.
>I don't see what bigotry has to do with bigotry
It's pretty easy to not be a bitch and listen to what Homura has to say before making her own judgments on the matter.
>You're pretty suspicious
Yeah, this is the face of a criminal mastermind, Sallaka.
Don't think she gets to take camcorders back in time.
And do what with it?
Sayaka got carried away with her ideals, but Mami held it together just fine. The only issue could be the other timeline where she shot the soul gems, but that was still part of justice.
True justice doesn't look at friendships. If magical girls were destined to become witches no matter what, it was Mami's creed to put her own friends and herself down to stop that from happening. Mami wouldn't have let herself or anyone else become a witch, we already saw that much. She was a lonely girl who craved some kind of friendship with someone who could understand her lifestyle, but even that wasn't enough to stop her belief in justice and doing what unfortunately had to be done.
>Becoming someone who lives at the expense of others,
That's part of living bro. No one can go it alone.
Now that doesn't mean you go around being a dick, and just taking from everyone, you have to give back, and Sayaka did give back. Gave back more than the average joe, but she decided she didn't want to take anymore, and then she was left with nothing to give.
>Her ideals involve not living at the expense of others.
>Always depend on Hitomi when she doesn't do her homework and needs to copied from someone.
Do you understand what "bigotry" means? It doesn't have anything to do with not trusting people.
Because Kyubey would pop it in the cosmic VCR, heat up some popcorn, and watch Homura fuck up over and over and over.
Record evidence, QB being a manipulative douche, magical girls turning into witches, walpurgis night killing everyone.
She can't take shit with her. Also, that would make for a very boring story.
>Her ideals involve not living at the expense of others
That's not an ideal, that's a death wish.
Only her "soul" goes back in time.
>Tries to kill all of her friends because she doesn't have the spine to ask a boy out.
Ladies and gentlemen, meet the uncompromising zenith of justice, Sayaka. What a fucking hero. Everybody praise her name.
It's not about "going it alone" or not. We're talking about ignoring familiars who WILL kill humans if left unattended. There's no compromise here. You either every familiar you see, or you don't.
>Implying it wouldn't be a magical girl version of All you need is kill
>The Real Megucas of Mitakihara is the number one reality show on planet Incubator
How did she try to kill all of her friends, you faggot.
Except Mami was able to do exactly that without having to worry about running out of grief seeds.
It would if it were Kyouko.
When the hell did she do that? If you're talking about after she turned into a witch, then she has no control over that, so how could it be her fault?
Didn't we talked about the same stuff like 2- 3 years ago?
It means to be obstinately devoted to your own frame of mind and to treat others poorly because of your inability to consider the relevant facts of a case before considering your own opinion informed.
And yet she has enough ordinance to blow up a small nation. Do you really think the JDF wouldn't notice their guns and explosives and disappearing at once?
>implying Octavia wasn't Sayaka's real form all along
Sayakafags just wont wake up
>Hey look, it is Shizuki Hitomi again.
>I wonder what she's going to do.
>It would seem she has given Miki Sayaka an ultimatum over their male classmate.
>Why is Miki Sayaka crying? The proposal was entirely fair and reasonable!
>I don't know, fellow Incubator, humans are strange.
She has to collect weapons every time she go back in time, what the fuck do you think she did during the whole month?
She slept around with some important people to keep the silence
>Refused to use soul gems to purify herself
>Allows them to be used by the other magical girls in an area overcrowded with magic users and not enough witches
>Effectively let herself be the one that had to die so that all the others would benefit
She'd have made Mami proud. Very sad, but proud.
Madoka will never love her now
You're really stretching the definition. Her mistrust of Homura has nothing to do with anyone's ideals or anything, it was just simple mistrust. Yes, it wasn't nice, but it's not bigotry by any reasonable definition of the term.
>A race that claims to be perfectly logical cannot understand how evolution doesn't create perfect thought processes and the feel good chemicals that act as a reward mechanism
Haw haw haw
Emotions are magical, anon, they cannot be understood using logic or science.
If Madoka can forgive her existence being ripped apart, I think she can forgive the same being done to Homura's hymen.
To be fair, most witches, like Homulilly and Oktavia, simply drown in their despair and show no ill will toward others. Their familiars act independently of them and kill those who enter the labyrinth.
Charlotte was an exception, but as a childish witch it seemed that she didn't understand that she was killing people. She probably thought Mami was cheese.
So she stole all that shit from the Japanese military and they were cool with it? Or did she travel around the world to steal munitions from different nations?
>this is what incubators actually believe.
Pretty sure hymen is regenerable
I doubt they were cool with it, but what're they gonna do about it?
You don't understand how timestop works, anon?
But magic is just science that's unexplained yet
It was unfounded mistrust and she didn't make any effort at all to consider that what she knew wasn't the full story. Again, if she wasn't so bigoted she would at least have lent Homura her ear.
Hell, all a girl has to do is ask Kyubey directly and he'll tell them the truth, provided that he doesn't see a benefit in manipulating the situation to produce more efficient results.
nah, only way you could pull something like that off is if you did something crazy, like rewrite the universe from scratch.
No, magic is magic.
You don't need to have or understand emotion in order to be the best race in the universe.
You can understand how emotions work but you can't understand how emotions feel if you've never experienced it, anon.
No, but it doesn't hurt understanding how your power plant functions.
I think Madoka is kawaii but the Anime was bad.
Bigoted towards what? Does she hate lesbians? Or girls with glasses? Does Homura's uncertain tone of voice piss Sayaka off? Does she have a inherent prejudice against people who claim to be time travelers, or who level accusations of trickery at small fluffy creatures? What aspect of Homura is Sayaka being bigoted towards? You can't just be "bigoted" in general.
They were fine for millions of years without knowing jack shit about emotions.
It pays to plan ahead.
Doesn't make them any less stupid for it.
>Does she hate lesbians? Does Homura's uncertain tone of voice piss Sayaka off?
I'm going with this, Sayaka always distrusts Homura no matter what.
They couldn't have expected someone like Homura. She's an anomaly.
QB was too busy studying for his driver's exam to kill Mami's parents to care about what emotions might be.
Greatly increase surveillance throughout Japan and discover magical little girls are fighting poorly drawn art book creatures at the behest of aliens.
I understand explosives are heavy and her time stop isn't permanent. She would need to get a lot of grief seeds to carry a small amount of explosives. In the fight with walpurgis night, she had a fuck ton of explosives.
>She puts them in her bag of holding!
And yet she can't take back one camcorder.
Was it even stated that can't take thing back in time?
How do you go through millions of years without one chick wishing for time powers?
Maybe they just got lucky and girls died before the situation got out of hand. Either way, they dodged a fucking bullet.
Mostly for good reason.
JSDF's stock of Type 89 automatic rifle mysteriously disappeared from their armory in October 2013. The military police investigated 80,000 men without finding a suspect, calling the circumstance unprecedented.
There's nothing stupid about a lack of study regarding a subject that requires no study.
>And yet she can't take back one camcorder
Because only her "soul" goes back in time, no her body, you stupid fuck.
You're mixing up bigotry and prejudice, anon. It's really not a big deal and I'm not going to insult you. Bigotry is the state of mind.
Rebellion premiere 2013-10-26
>>She puts them in her bag of holding!
How is this not a reasonable explanation? It may take a couple trips, but she can just walk in and shove everything she needs into her shield. What she cannot do is take things between timelines.
>Was it even stated that can't take thing back in time?
No, but it's a reasonable assumption since it probably would have come up otherwise and it would be OP as fuck to be able to take things between timelines.
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner to be honest. All it takes is one little emo girl to say fuck it, and wish for entropy. So much for their foolproof plan, huh.
>Incubators give girls magical powers and grant them any wish they could possibly want
>All they ask in return is that the girls produce enough energy to stave off entropy, also a noble goal
>They even go through the trouble of uniting a girl with her weird disembodied astral concept person so they can witness how the events take place
>Same lust-crazy lesbian throws a fit about their generous offer and rewrites reality again
Emotions a shit. Not even once.
>wish for entropy.
qb a cutest
Uhh, the show? You should try watching it.
>My daddy didn't buy me the latest iphone 5
>I want to destroy the world
If you're saying Sayaka's bigoted, you're saying that she inherently believes her opinion to be of greater worth than Homura's for some reason, rather than just not believing Homura because the thing she's saying are pretty out there. Yes? I simply don't see what there is in the show that supports that idea.
>wish for entropy
It takes two to make a contract. The Incubators could refuse to agree to their half of the deal if they get a wish like that.
It's more surprising that the world wasn't seriously fucked up by the fact he'd approach young girls for their wishes. Most of them probably had selfish ones like Mami, but you could figure there had to be a lot of major historical events that came out of some girl fucking up her wish.
They generally approach a girl who they have a pretty good idea of what they're going to wish for, though. Homura, Sayaka, Kyouko, and Mami all follow that pattern. Only Madoka was the anomaly, because they wanted her to contract no matter what due to her huge potential.
>That's not how it works you little shit-mind
>Nazis lost because of Anne Frank's wish.
madoke liek qb
Well he says that humanity is only where it is today due to magical girls and their wishes, so yeah obviously they've made some pretty big contributions to history.
It's ridiculously easy to get past that requirement. Potent viruses, nanite swarm, mind control then nuke the world. Sure, it wouldn't destroy the universe, but it'd destroy their power source. From then, it's only a matter of time.
Not gonna lie. When I watched the show for the first time, I only kept watching for QB. I wanted to see what would come from him and if he'd ever pull a 180 or not.
Doesn't help I knew this ghetto as fuck black guy who watched the show and always called Kyubey "mah little space niggah" every time he mentioned it.
Believing that magical girls are all just a trap to get energy for QB is pointless. It doesn't matter if that's true or not, they simply cannot accept that. That would mean magical girls aren't actually a force for good, and so you get the Mami solution.
>Killing yourselves to spite the QBs.
Kyubey seemed okay with letting Madoka's witch wipe out the Earth after he hit quota. He implied there were lots of other alien races out there. There are probably alien school girls getting Incubator visits from Kyubey's friend Hankbey or something.
Charlotte didn't even attack first.
Didn't he say that the whole emotion thing was exclusive to humans though? As far as he knew anyway.
But she didn't have that huge potential in the first timeline.
Except the fact that they're doing it to get energy wasn't brought up. You can tell because Sayaka asks "what would Kyubey gain out of tricking us like that?" See, Homura only found out about the witch thing just the previous timeline, so it makes sense she wouldn't know about the energy thing. Thus, she was not able to offer a full explanation. It's no wonder Sayaka didn't believe her.
Sayaka really think her opinion is more valuable than others though, and it shows several times during the series, fuck, just see the scene that Sayaka and Homura have in the movie after Mami fight.
>letting Madoka's witch wipe out the Earth
Madoka never became a witch. If you're talking about walpurgis night, it was only going to destroy a city.
And in the first timeline Madoka wished to save a cat that had just been hit by a car. Your point?
I still like the theory from about a while back that suggested Coobs was the crazy one. This incubator with a crazy idea of harvesting emotional energy, and Incubator leaders just sent him as far away as possible to get him out of their hair.
>The French Revolution failed because of Queen Louise's wish
It would just be fun to see examples of history-changing wishes. Like when it showed Cleopatra. I don't see what her wish was except to get the Roman D and then have Egypt lose its independence for centuries.
>What is Gretchen
>Madoka never became a witch.
Episode 10, timeline 4.
>the scene that Sayaka and Homura have in the movie after Mami fight
If you think that scene shows anything about Sayaka valuing her opinion above others, you didn't understand the purpose of the scene, like, at all. Watch it again. I'm not going to argue with someone who doesn't pay attention to the things he watches.
Maybe, I thought he just said it was rare, not unique.
The timeline with Gretchen, Kyubey is watching her wreck the Earth and says the planet has about 10 days before everyone is dead. If humans were their ONLY source of energy, the Incubators probably would've tried to intervene somehow. Kyubey didn't give a shit. He made quota.
I loved how they also showed Jeanne d'Arc and Anne Frank.
He kinda says both. He tells Homura he's cool with Gretchen wiping out the plant, but then tells Madoka that their race never thought human like society was possible.
They probably figured, since they found one race, there's probably many more similar since the universe is fucking huge. Humans were just the first.
>Wanting to live as cattle
Hitler comes to power because Eva's wish.
This extends to the witch thing too. Believing they are what they fight renders the entire thing pointless. Mami only needs to see Sayaka become a witch to realize this.
Her actual wish may very well have been inconsequential, the sole fact that she's a magical girl gives her more leverage than the average person.
Maybe it was like "Holy shit that's one bigass witch I'm gonna have so much energy I'll get a promotion".
>You will never see the magical girl adventures of Anne Frank fighting against the Nazis
I imagine there were a lot of witches in Europe after the Soviet rape train came knocking, either way.
Cleopatra's wish can be various things, from to become a good pharaoh, to depose her brother, or something like that. Unfortunately, she became the last effective pharaoh.
But since Homura's explanation was disjointed and incomplete, Sayaka's mistrust of her is actually totally reasonable, so it's not necessary to invoke "bigotry" to explain her motivation.
They will probably move on to find another planet of emo teens after that anyway.
I'd rather live as cattle than not live at all, thanks.
QB was clearly gunning for a management position.
>They probably figured, since they found one race, there's probably many more similar since the universe is fucking huge.
>Hey, maybe we'll luck out and find another race with emotions. That's safer and less work than killing Gretchen.
I'm under the impression that the incubators are fucking retarded.
>I'll get a promotion
You made me imagine that award scene from Star Wars with a bunch of little Kyubeys standing around while Kyubey gives Kyubey a medal for his hard work in the field.
It's more reasonable to think that while humans were the first race they found with emotions, they found some more since first contact.
Oh, right, I'm not that guy. Just sayin', it's not because Sayaka has some issue with her own opinion of others.
Don't sweat it anon, not everyone needs to have a sense of dignity.
It's actually shit writing and story
Dignity, right. That and a dollar'll get you a cup of coffee.
>i want to destroy the world
That's a curse. Witches spread curses. The karmic system of hope and despair doesn't work in such a way that you can 'hope' that everyone on Earth will die or 'wish' for your classmates to all get raped by faceless old men.
>Implying humans are cattle
>Implying humans are not given the option to decline the contract and not make a wish
>Implying the Incubators don't treat humans as intelligent beings
There are other races out there.
Now he finally has enough incubucks™ to feed his family
To be fair, the story isn't about the Incubators and the logistics of energy production.
And now he has more time to incufuck his wife.
But QB said I could wish for anything
Maybe he'll finally get laid by kyubeys instead of just meatbags alone
That's a healthy attitude to have in the new world order.
Did Homura know the whole explanation at that point? It's implied she didn't, or at least didn't say it from Sayaka asking why Kyubey would do that. They might have believed her if she gave them the same kind of explanation as Madoka got.
She gave up on trying to explain anything though, and only helped convince Madoka that being meguca was suffering. Maybe she went too far with that, and that's why she made the wish she did.
If a girl made that wish, would she turn into a witch immediately? And a meguca later after falling into hope?
Where "healthy" here means "alive", yes. I'd like to point out again that your proposed alternative is self-genocide.
me in the center
>Kyubey finds some nerdy girl who loves scifi comics, astronomy, and all that type of stuff
>Approaches her for a contract
>Nudges her in the direction of alien life
>Girl wishes there was intelligent life out there similar to humans so people could be friends with them some day
>Wish granted, Kyubey never said anything about them meeting humanity now
>Girl turns into a witch or something later, doesn't matter
It'd be an easy way to get another species with emotions if they weren't naturally evolved.
Not that anon, but if I were to offer up a scene it'd be this one. The things Kyouko is saying are pretty brutal and offensive to Sayaka, but that doesn't mean she's justified. It just means she's an immature little girl for not being able to respond with logic.
Which classmate would madoka send faceless old men after?
You're a VHS?
Logic? How could she possibly respond with logic? Kyouko was just saying hurtful things in an attempt to get her riled up. It's like arguing with an obvious troll, there's nothing to be gained.
Remember. little girls can't consent to sex or sign contracts because they're too stupid. Working behind the backs of the leaders of sovereign nations and breaking their laws isn't treating humans as intelligent beings.
I'd watch a slice of life story about Kyubey coming home from a long day of ruining human girl lives to play catch with his son, eat his wife's dinner, and catch the latest news from INN.
Or they could even have just abducted people and placed them on earth like planets. Shit would be easy.
Even an endless supply of wishes?
One man's curse is another's blessing. Take a look at /pol/ for instance.
>Madoka wishes to ride an eagle to Mordor to kill Dumbledore, then falls into despair and becomes a witch when she finds out her father is Darth Vader.
literally worse than stalin
That shit wouldn't work because it'd take a lot of entropy potential or whatever it is to create a new life form from scratch.
>It's like arguing with an obvious troll, there's nothing to be gained.
Have you ever tried appealing to reason or do you end up greentexting them back and calling them retarded? Therein may lie the difference. It's an effective stategy make a few indifferent, logical posts and ignore the troll if they keep going, because you've already made your point and going further would see further marginal returns on your efforts.
I'd fall into despair too if my father is edginess incarnate
When did the human race get so soft?
Wouldn't it be balanced out in the long-run by the energy they'd gather from an entirely new species?
Spend a million entropybucks to make a new race, collect ten million over their history.
Sayaka is the anon who thinks everyone who disagree with her is an obvious troll and blames all of her problems on IRC and steamchat.
He'll never be as edgy as the 6th angel.
It's this darn survival instinct we've got, always kicks in at the most embarrassing times.
A single girl would need that kind of potential to make that wish. Madoka level potential.
Reminder that Homura did everything right. We now have a truly happy ending.
Not really the point. Yes, Sayaka fell for the bait, but that's not really an example of anything but her being kind of hot-headed. Not seeing how it applies to the previous argument.
>That thread the other night about who would win in a fight between Ramiel and Mami
My money is still on Ramiel.
>implying steamchat and IRC don't exist
>implying there isn't blatant trolling in many cases in these threads
>implying you aren't a troll
>implying I'm not a hero of justice
No dude, she'd be the one who argues with literally everyone, no matter how pointless it is.
That's wrong. Let me help you out.
It's not a net thing. You individually have to balance out.
Under what you suggested, you wind up double counting the entropy. You're adding it to the girls total, but then you want to go back and use that entropy again to make new MGs. Well, you can't really do that since you already let the human MG borrow that entropy. I suppose over the long run you would wind up in the black, but who knows how long.
To simplify just go with the first point. You have to balance out your own karmic potential.
Anime is escapism, 4chan is escapism. Homura just has it perfected to an art.
It's called backpedaling. You fell for my cleanly constructed ruse.
>implying those are mutually exclusive
Don't blame poor Sayaka, she's been trolled by Homura enough to not know any better.
You must have missed Colorful.
Mami is pretty well fucked at that point. Madokami could probably kill it with her bow though. Maybe Bowmura stands a chance if she did get a powerup from Madokami.
Akuma Homura could erase it from the universe with a clap.
It's always tea time in your heart.
Thanks tripfag, but that's only at night time.
Lets get 700 posts.
So what would have been the logical response then? To do as Kyouko said and break violinfag's arms and legs? Would she really be happy then? Like the other anon said, she responded in a hot headed way and probably could have dealt with it better but not every situation has to have an absolute, clear cut logical solution.
Best girl wins, stay mad non-factors.
If Tiro Finale or her artillery tank were able to break an AT field, then Mami could stand a chance against Ramiel.
In a battle of drills, there could be only one.
Ramiel would melt her away before Mami could even see her.
Only Evas can break At fields.
You're right, Mami did win. Thanks Nagisa!
>yfw Mami still beats Homu
Don't worry, she can fly.
Even if she can't, a fall like that wouldn't kill a meguca, let alone a devil. She'd land on the rock, lie there for a second, then pick up her broken body and fix it in a purple glow.
Sorry, but you're talking to a Homufag here. Emotions are baggage.
Bowmura versus Mami with nothing held back is what I want to see.
I doubt it would even break anything, megucas jump around on and off buildings all the time.
Homura runs on emotions.
That leads to the question of which is more powerful: a blast from the teapot cannon, or an N2 mine? Also between a teapot cannon blast, Homura's trap for Walrus Night, and the shit her and Madokami pulled on the isolation field?
Speaking of that, how did Homura get so powerful? I mean, she lost her time powers and gets strong? I don't get it.
That's not nearly as exciting as a gunkata duel. Magical beams shot from a bow are fairly boring in the scheme of things.
>Emotions are baggage.
Homura's strength is her strong feelings/emotions for Madoka
Because the person she wanted to protect shifted to a concept, and the closest she could get was trying to protect the whole world. Something like that anyway.
Haha look at this faggot.
You carry things you need in bags. You don't swing the bags around and hit people in the face with them.
So the meguca power scale(end of series/per-rebellion) is
Madokami > Bowmura > Mami > Kyoko > Sayaka?
In a one-on-one fight, yeah, sorry, it kind of is. Bows are a support weapon.
I-it's not like I deleted my image reply for your sake or anything...
>You don't swing the bags around and hit people in the face with them.
I don't know where you live, but everyone does it here.
One thing to consider is that apparently the artillery teapot has the kiss of Candeloro, apparently she can't summon her witch but gained access to her power thanks to Madoka.
This is a magical girl show, anon. Magical bows > Guns
We'd have to see what other attacks Bowmura has. I'm a huge Homufag, but those ribbons are really versatile. If she can still fuck with time but Mami doesn't know about that, Homu wins without breaking a sweat.
If she can pull the thing her and Madokami did and send more magic beams down from the sky, Mami gets her shit kicked in.
In most other cases, Homura gets tied up again.
It could if she wasn't trying to land safely.
Probably thanks to Madokami.
Yeah, and then I'd put archSayaka above Kyouko and archNagisa below Kyouko.
>It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit.
Unless Ramiel was specifically going after Mami, it didn't laser anything until there was an Eva around to shoot at it. There's always ribbon clones.
Once again going with the magic response and from what her cake cannon did in Rebellion, I'd say that it beats the N2 mine in damage. Mami has justice on her side, what does Ramiel have?
Nah, you use those strong emotions to steel yourself from everything else. It's the most powerful shield, not something you carry in a bag.
We didn't actually get a good look at the supposed Candeloro kiss though, did we? It could just be a "Mami" emblem, like how Madokami has a modified version of Gretchen's kiss as her emblem.
>archSayaka above Kyouko and archNagisa below Kyouko.
How did you come up with that shit?
>Mami is so lonely even her own Witch won't hang out with her
Being Mami-san is suffering.
That would have been valid, if there weren't magical guns.
We have yet to see a major fight actually take place with bows. Madokami's fireworks display was neat, but not actually a fight.
The camrip are pretty bad so we don't get a good look but they don't earn a new emblem as Madoka, Sayaka still has the same as Oktavia, same with Nagisa.
It would be pretty cool Mami and Kyouko unlock their latent halves and learn to master their own despair. It's possible that since they're aware of the system, they can circumvent it.
>Sayaka still has the same as Oktavia, same with Nagisa.
That sounds right to me.
There must be different sized N2 mines, because the explosion from when Rei shoved one through that angel's tightly puckered AT anus seemed to do a lot more damage than the teapot cannon.
Homura used regular guns, at least before going Bowmura.
It might be different with wraiths, but having only one attack seems like it would get her killed pretty quickly when a witch can counter it.
If Homu's new world is real good, why there is no luminous anymore?
That settles that Homuworld is fake.
Prove me wrong
Madoka killed a witch with her bow. Also she killed gretchen with it.
>having only one attack seems like it would get her killed pretty quickly when a witch can counter it.
Well it's no different than Madoka's situation, we don't see her using any other attacks.
Could you possibly be LESS specific?
They're not powered up or anything, they're just witch + magical girl. Mami is laughably OP even if Sayaka gets a boost.
Nagisa, well, did you see her?
Their weapons are all magic-infused though. How else would the small arms fire from Homura and Mami wreck entire buildings?
Not as important as Madoka's beauty sleep.
Kyoko fucked up Octavia and Sayaka. What makes you think she can't do it again? Just because it's both of them doesn't make Sayaka stronger.
Mami weapons are made of magic, Homura aren't
She didn't fuck up Oktavia AND Sayaka at the same time though.
Probably because Mami's are magical and Homura just concentrates all her firepower into big volleys with her time stop. If you shoot enough bullets into a building simultaneously, it'll fuck it up.