I cry evrytim ;_;
Seiba a shit.
Haha Shirou pulling a typical harem MC.
The new anime is gonna use the VN OST, right? Right?
Oh, fuck you anon.
>female lead with no interesting characteristics
Well, she usually just walks on it. Why would she need to learn how to swim.
Fate had the best ending.
That would be nice
Heaven's Feel had the best ending.
Heaven's Feel dedicated everything to the ending, and it made you Shirou/Sakura go through a shit load of bullshit and suffering just to get to it. Not to mention its the only one with a epilogue-esque time skip
Hell, my favorite route is UBW and I can see the best ending is HF
How does it feel to have Senpai stolen from you by that blonde-haired almost-flat knight girl while you sit in your basement and count worms?
You forget onii-chan
That's what I said: counting worms.
I finished UBW but didn't get any anal. What the hell?
Saber barely has any emotions other than JUSTICE anyway, so her love barely means anything.
Reminder that the Archer you meet is just a copy, so the true Archer never gets the message.
You are now aware that Tohsaka gets sexualized in EVERY route.
Truly she is best girl.
Was the Prisma Illya anime any good or should I just stick to the manga?
no the OST is shit, new dawn aside, kajiura pls
They have to have Emiya in it though.
Manga is much better. Anime has voice acting and some extra fanservice and cute girls doing cute things.
I hope not, the OST of the VN is really bland
And they repeat the same 2-3 tracks countless times
Emiya is overhyped, but the remix in the PSVita remake is quite good
And the cycle of satisfaction is complete.
I'm slow and only now just got around to Fate/Stay.
But I hear there's a new anime coming out, anyone have any idea what route they're going to follow?
I fucking hated HF because of Saber's death.
Fate>UBW>HF to me.
No, Archer was an exception because he's also a guardian force. How do you think he's retained his memories of all the previous wars he fought in. Did you even read the VN?
Did you ?
Archer doesn't keep his memories of the grail wars he fought in (outside of the one he fought as shirou).
He however has some memory of the times he's summoned as a counter guardian.
They'll have their own soundtrack, but I would bet that they will retouch certain tracks and use snippets of character themes included in songs.
We'll hear Emiya, at least
All the heroines have a happey ending.
Not in every route though.
Thus is the essence of the game itself
You can't save everyone, you can't make everyone happy, there's always fewer seats than there are people that need to sit.
It's the point of the game, doofus.
Yes, but by the end of UBW he's there as a CG, so I'd believe that he'd keep those memories.
Makes sense for me, but I know that it's also wishful thinking of me.
I wasn't saying otherwise. Still, UBW Good Ending is best ending.
This, but watch the anime for glorious Archer Ilya x Saber Alter, It's the closest we'll ever get to sparks liner high animated, so I think it's worth it.
Best all around ending for the most people is HF Good ending
Rin is happy and made peace with her sister, Sakura is happy, Ilya and Kotomine were able to die happy, Shirou is reborn, Medusa is happy, and whoever else I'm probably forgetting
UBW Good End : Saber is happy but still may become a heroic servant even if she's given up on "this" grail, Shirou is happy, Rin is happy, and Shinji survived to be somewhat less of a dick
Fate: Shirou alive, Rin alive, the rest are mostly there, and Ilya is alive for the next year.
... I kinda would've liked to see this happen.
Problem with HF is that Saber gets utterly fucked over. At least in Fate most people were happy and alive. UBW Good Ending is similar.
I agree it's the richest ending, but I prefer the UBW ending.
HF is the worst route for Seiba though (though Sakura still goes through shit in the other two routes, so I guess it balances out). And that's the true end. While it is indeed close to one, HF doesn't have something designated as a good end.
It happened in Gil route of Fate/UC
Also I'm sure it happened in plenty of F/SN bad ends.
It's True, not Good End. Yeah, it's the best though
Do you think he'll return in the last volume ?
It's not confirmed, but the Epilogue of UBW can be interpreted as the true EMIYA on the throne experiencing the records of that summoning, a little miracle to give him peace of mind.
It takes a bit of reading into.
Archer at the throne exists outside time. Everything already happened to him, and that's the result. He is bitter regardless of any revelations that happened to him during summoning.
Not quite how the metaphyics of Akasha works.
It's outside of the timeline but the void still experiences a linear existence. He wouldn't be able to know the recordings of his summonings at all if that were the case.
In HF Archer's also has a kinda happy death, he get to see himself walking a different path then the one he choose for himself.
Also, even if her problem wasn't resolved, after having seen for herself how corupted the grail is, Saber must have got to the same conclusion from fate, that it's not possible to attain any wish from the grail, thus it's better to have it destroyed.
And in every othe route's endings Sakura gets fucked over even worse then Saber in HF, never being saved from Zouken and having Shirou taken away from her, (by her own sister in UBW, seriously, that and the fact that Shinji survived in the end made UBW true the worse ending in my opinion).
Her conclusion from Fate was that she shouldn't redo her past. That only happened in that route.
>and having Shirou taken away from her
That's not a fair conclusion for any of the girls in the other routes.
Sakura got fucked over less in Fate and UBW than Saber in HF. Rin has a good ending in all 3, so she's relatively safe. Ilya ... well.
HF is really the best ending for Ilya. While she does die, she does so happily and is able to come to terms with her past. And remember that she only has around a year left to live in Fate.
In every route, when they learn that the grail is evil, Saber gives up the idea of using it to change her past, that's what I meant.
And as I said, her personal problem really wasn't resolved, that only happens in fate, as you said.
>And as I said, her personal problem really wasn't resolved
Ah, I missed you saying that.
Nasu confirmed that Archer (like Rider) is different because of his Reality Marble. The Reality Marble exists outside of the Throne, and the memory will be accessible from there.
Fate's ending for Ilya and Shirou just feels kind of hollow if they haven't confronted it or cleared the air in half a year in the end. Ilya lives with him, she stays at his house much as any of his other guests would, but there's something more that should bind them together they just aren't addressing yet.
It's still a good ending for her in a sort as she gets to spent those final days having fun, but there's something poetic in HF about confronting her past and deciding her own fate in the end.
So, in the new anime, do you think subbers will translated the UBW incantation accurately, or leave it as "I am the bone of my sword"?
I'm going to need a qoute on that, Servants summoned in the war are just copies of the original that dissapear after the war is over. The net summoned servant would be a fresh copy off the base .
> that and the fact that Shinji survived in the end made UBW true the worse ending in my opinion)
Shinji...I don't get why he gets all the hate on /a/. FSN is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.
What are the main complaints? He raped Sakura and stole Rider to use in the war?
Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.
Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.
And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Rider and used her in the war for his own greed.
Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal war so wrong? When Shirou does the same thing to Saber it's like 'oh he's so manly', but when Shinji does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Sakura. He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.
The story was written to make that faggot Shirou look good. Objectively, Shinji is a far better character than Shirou. At least he has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like Shirou, and if he weren't stuck with the weak ass servant Rider and no plothax he probably would have won the war.
He was about to kill everyone in the school, and he did attempt to rape Rin.
It's like a backup harddrive, he can boot it up and it'll still have the added data and new discoveries from older summonings. If Kansho and Bakuya are the swords that hold his will, then engraved upon them may be the heart that found an answer. However that's still a long shot, and it doesn't quite work like that. Sure it will store any new discoveries from any summonings outside of time and space, but the heroic spirit won't freely retain all memories regarding them chances are. The greatest chance there is if a sword he has taken in at from an answer holds the memory and will of an Archer that has reached the truth, which is kind of a very loose interpretation on how Archer traces the technique and memory of the blade since that's kind of pushing it. Still as stated, Archer himself won't remember shit from other summonings, it's just his backup drive will.
>it's just his backup drive will.
and even then it doesn't remember memories, but mainly just new blades.
All of the girls fell for Shirou during the route, Sakura had feelings for him for a whole year or so.
>Sakura got fucked over less in Fate and UBW than Saber in HF
On screen yes, but off screen Sakura's life never changed so, while Saber was fucked over for 8 days in HF, Sakura was literally fucked over probably for the rest of her life on the other routes.
The thing is that we never get to know that until HF.
Maybe it's personal opinion. In fact it definitely is.
But corruption of ideals and personality is a fate far worse than simple death. The death was a mercy killing, but that THAT was the end of her story. That after everything she had done Saber became nothing more than a corrupted pawn to be put down by Shirou.
It's not to say Sakura wasn't scarred or anything, but it doesn't even compare.
I will treasure this forever
Saber was able to retain her dignity and nobility in that form. Even Nasu states she was still an idealist in that form, and saved Shirou's ass at least a few times while Alter.
>Uro: What I imagine is that for the Saber Lily storyline, in Fate/stay night, Saber was completely beaten by Caster, and so she became one of her Servants. Like, she thought "I'd be way better off with Caster than with Shirou." (Laughs)
>Nasu: I never thought of that. Interesting. So in other words, the white dress represents how both her body and soul have been tamed by Caster. So Lily is truly like a "lily" to Caster... you crazy bastard, you did it again...
>Takeuchi: Lily's design was inspired by the dress she wore when Saber was captured by Caster. Then, we just filled it with feminine qualities that Saber lacked and it became what it is now. So basically, I think Urobuchi really hit it close to the mark.
>Uro: Really?! Lily looked like a villain to me from the moment I saw her. Imagine her appearing from behind Caster, really working those heels! Just thinking of it gets me excited!
>Takeuchi: But in terms of villains, don't we already have Alter?
Uro: No, she isn't a villain, she's a dark hero.
>Nasu: Alter is an idealist who clings to her own values even though she's been blackened. In that respect, she isn't a pure villain.
>Uro: For example, Alter's like how Hakaider was in Mechanical Violator Hakaider (*8). And Lily is the enemy she would face. The wrinkles in the corners of her eyes are proof to that. She'd shine as a villain.
>Nasu: Then after defeating Lily in battle, Alter would jump on a motorbike in the last scene and ride off into the sunset. Then the narration would come in: "She is a modern knight, who lives in a world of darkness!" (*9)
>Takeuchi: Motorbikes aside, (laughs) I do think it'd be interesting to add meat to Lily's character in that manner.
But HF Good End involves hundreds of people dying.
One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.
Yeah, and in UBW and HF those orphans remained forever forgotten.
But nobody cares.
but wurm slut is happy
obv worth it
Kotomine said in Fate he was about to kill them anyway.
Hundreds of NPCs we'll never hear about since they weren't actually characters. Unlike in Extra where 998 people at least died, but you got to see and talk to them beforehand so it actually sort of meant something. Thus you could understand how there's people being lost rather than it just being a number.
Did one of these two ideals carry more weight than the other, most likely.
>Maybe it's personal opinion. In fact it definitely is.
Well, we can agree on that.
So, what stuff is worth checking out besides the VN and F/Z?
And don't say F/HA;_;
Good for you, F/HA is just a fandisk and a pretty shitty one.
Fate/Extra and CCC
Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, and Melty Blood for the vampire half of the nasuverse
Kara no Kyoukai movies
Extra and Apocrypha
First Extra has a pretty standard plot, although interesting characters all around, and the sequel is a notable step up as Nasu calls the conclusion of the franchise on his end.
Apocrypha is looking pretty good so far, some interesting servants and master, and a so far pretty interesting plot
But that scene with archer at school.
But every rider scene.
Is there anything I need before starting Extra?
As in, besides just F/Z and F/S
>King Arthur didn't give up his humanity.
Saber confirmed for a trap.
Fake is fully translated, so you could go with that. Apoc is great but only the first few chapters are translated so you you can either look up the summaries or wait for the ineviatable anime.
Extra is decent if your ok with grinding and are lucky, if your computer is even half decent you can run it on PPSSPP. Pic is my laptop specs (shitty as they are) and it gets 30 fps for most of the game.
Just patience, he whole system works differently than most fate works so arguably you wouldn't even need to have read through the Vn/LN and or seen the F/z anime.
Fate/Extra is alternate world-line from FSN, if you've seen that then you know enough to get into this, and probably even know more than enough.
It's fairly stand alone, but taking it by itself would miss out on quite a few references.
More like ftm tranny with that Merlin deal.
As far as Gawain knew, which is why it was an easier pronoun to use.
Steins;Gate go home
Alternate reflection of the Kaleidoscope.
I felt so sad when I first saw this. The moral didn't really click.
Nowadays it's one of my favourite endings ever.
Is this the one thread where I won't get lambasted for saying Fate was my favourite route?
Saber isn't even my waifu, I just think it's the best standalone story of the three.
.I must say for somone who darnic thought was useless her brother certainly proved his fucking worth, even chiron is nearly tempted to hop on his side and he's a mellow dude
No'one ever mentions him as being dead, he's just gone after the blast. If his NP blew himself up as well then it would be a pretty shitty one.
It also doesn't fit in with the concept of winning at the last moment if it kills him.
>it's the best standalone story of the three
Of course it is, the other routes strongly rely on the fact that you've played through the previous routes, and since fate is the first route, it does work better as a standalone, so that's not a positive point for the route at all, if anything, it strengthens the subsequents routes.
I'm not saying that any route is better then fate, but if that's your reason for liking fate the best, it's quite a stupid reason.
Not him, but I think he just had a poor choice of words. While yes, UBW and HF rely on the previous routes, they all have their own stories, so I think he was just saying he liked the story of Fate the most.
Giving Saber the mud is a terrible idea. Not only she can keep her composure after being darkened, but she also gains absurd regenerative powers, endurance and a massive boos to her capacity to spam attacks indiscriminately. All while Gil is standing right beside her expecting her to be submissive.
There's a reason the UC ending cuts just as she's beginning to go dark: there is no way that ends with anything other than Gil's testicles being ground to dust.
Even with all that, the fact that Saber Alter IS submissive to her master remains, and I think that Gil would expect that, since forcing her to do be submissive even though she's doesn't want it/is suffering form it and breaking her down little by little seems to be he's objective.
Well, I think "standalone story" implies on a story without any dependencies, but if tht's not what he meant, then it's ok. even though I don't agree with him
That's only if Sakura/Angya was her master, if darkened normally she would be subservient to no one aside from perhaps Angya, but the reason she had a master and a directed will in HF is because Sakura purposefully darkened her and kept her around on a leash to eventually use against Zouken it's mentioned.
Gil doesn't magically become her master just because he threw her in the mud, if anything Angya has a stronger claim to her after that.
Actually, in HF Sakura deliberately kept Saber, Berserker and Caster in this world, as stated by Ilya when Berserker was released to chase them.
So I'd believe that when a servant is swallowed by the mud, he goes to the grail, like Gil and Lancer in HF
Actually, it's implied that she does resolve her personal problem. That's why she stayed to watch Archer vs Shirou instead of choosing to go help Rin. They were a mirror of her own internal conflict.
What >>101815932 said. I thought that Shirou vs. Archer was the best scene in the whole VN, I wasn't engaged enough by the other scenes in UBW. Every scene in HF with Kotomine was either good or great, but I didn't like what it did with Shirou, Sakura appalled me (just my opinion) and I didn't feel like the complete shift in genre to horror was right.
Fate was one of the simplest, as it's a love story with action scenes and an exploration of ideals, but that's why it excelled in my eyes. I felt like it had a strong enough framework for the key scenes from the other routes to fit into it.
More importantly, I preferred its exploration of Shirou as a character. He has a hero complex, but in UBW he reminds me a lot of the typical shonen protagonist since he pretty much lives up to those expectations. In Fate, he doesn't; he is completely the pretender he is accused of being, and his hero complex keeps him from seeing that he's the one who needs to be saved. Plus, it dealt with the theme of regret intriguingly, and the confrontation at the church is my favourite scene in the VN.
I know I'm in the minority, but I find something interesting about it which I don't see in the other routes.
That's what I said, they only became Alter servants and obeyed her will because she willed it to happen. Not Caster though, Zouken was the one who took Caster's body rather than Shadow.
A servant poisoned with the mud normally won't just be under contract with the person they poisoned them by any merit, nor will they potentially survive so simply. Gil may have given her a small dose in U/C, but that won't really make her subserviant to anything aside from Angya at worst, and more likely she'll be drawn into a fury trying to control this corruption in her soul but ultimately will fall before the being that mud which is greater than any servant in question.
However the grail mud in itself is still a bit of a farcry from Shadow in a sense, as Gilgamesh can overturn the will of the mud, but even he will lose out to Shadow as long as it can get a hold on him. Though that's stated to partially be due to Imaginary Numbers which gives it something of a supreme advantage over anything with ether.
UBW ending is always the most tragic of all endings because nothing is fucking resolved, except maybe Archer's who gained a small answer.
True > Good because at least Saber got some of her shit together.
Saber in UC willingly chooses to serve Angra Mainyu in her Alter route.
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