ITT characters who serve no purpose in their show and could have been removed to divert screentime to things that matter.
It's sad that this is actually kind of true. I think Trigger has done an incredibly shitty job with Ryuuko so far.
Satsuki overshadows her WAY too much and I think Mako undermines her. For fucks sake Ryuuko was saved by Mako AGAIN last episode. Shit when she actually fights she gets stuck and gets Senketsu to take over "HURR SENKETSU SWORD NO WORK U THINK SOMETHING?"
Her beating Satsuki doesn't have much potential to be satisfying because Satsuki essentially held her hand throughout the whole thing. Ryuuko probably would have been dead half a dozen times by now if Satsuki and Mako weren't babying her so much.
Does she count?
They should have had Mako make another friend or god forbid kill her partway in to the series. She needs to be detached from Ryuuko, those hallelujah scenes are funny because of what Mako says but from Ryuuko's standpoint it's not endearing, she just looks stupid. In Episode 17 she was trying to fight Tsumugu who was armed with two guns while she was wearing nothing but her bra and panties. I would have rather Trigger just had her win rather than have Mako save her stupid ass again.
I would have to disagree, sure the focus of the show right now has switched to satsuki, but I believe this to be a build up to some sort of nanaho-esque ryuukoxsatsuki team-up. ryuuko has always been the MC and will continue to be so. as much as I like mako, her role in the show and the general story line is pretty minor but she does affect things in small (but often important) ways. much like puck used to be in berserk, and ryuuko is guts drawfags pls
if you kill mako, people won't be able to stop themselves from making the TTNG comparisons. And they'll be right in doing so. trigger will be known as 1 trick ponies
I just personally don't think Trigger has done enough to make her interesting, we're getting to the point of the series where she's supposed to win and get everything she wants but it almost doesn't seem like it's believable that she can do that.
The problem with having your main character basically be a minor characters pawn for 15 episodes is that the minor character becomes more interesting. I think there's a reason why you've got a bunch of people claiming they don't know who the MC is anymore, I think they know, or they subconsciously do and want to be wrong about Satsuki losing. I think Trigger has written this in a way where a bunch of people want Satsuki to win but there's no fucking way she can win, she can't win simply because she's not Ryuuko.
Ryuuko doesn't really do a whole lot, it's easier to get behind Satsuki because she's actually working towards something.
Guts has a personality and motivations and is an active character in his story. Ryuuko is a cheap mascot designed to sell figures who could be removed from the story without incident.
Well then don't kill her, have her make other friends, shit make that Gamagori thing more serious, make them actually friends.
I really think that she isn't good for Ryuuko's character and brings it down. She's cute on her own but she has a negative effect on Ryuuko
I guess you're right considering the story has shifted SLIGHTLY from getting revenge for her dad, to the academy vs COVERS, but there's still lots of unanswered questions left on ryuuko's route: like is she gonna fight nui, will she team up with satsuki or fight against both, is she gonna power up again, etc. the show hasn't ended yet so I don't think we can write off ryuuko yet, there's many directions the show can go
I understand your sentiment, but I think Ryuuko has experienced more subtle growth.
I'm not saying it's massive or anything, despite the fact that it should be, but to say it isn't there would be lying.
>Can now land a blow on a Satsuki despite Galactonon helping her
>has bonded over time with Senketsu and admitted in episode 17 to have been putting words in his mouth to justify getting mad herself
>empathizes with Tsumugu for losing his sister
And even in her moment of weakness in episode 13 she was doing it out of fear for hurting Senketsu, not out of doubt of her own strength.
It's shown in episode 15 how this relationship comes full circle as Senketsu doesn't want to be worn for the moment because without the glove he'll scald her hand clean off, with Ryuuko returning the earlier reassurance of
>Don't worry, we were made for each other (Actual line "One minute is more than enough")
My chief complaint is what you brought up though,
Ryuuko rarely thinks of her own plan compared to Senketsu, she's more or less been the Gurren to Senketsu's Lagann.
I think Imaishi could learn a thing or two from Araki in making KLK more of a battle of wits than of raw tenacity.
Not that there's anything wrong with the hot blood battles per se, just that it lends itself more to asspulls than clever tricks.
Senketsu has come up with TWO plans in the whole show. TWO. Ryuuko has come up with at least 8.
Actually at this point it's like the story shifted to Satsuki getting revenge for her dad.
Trigger says Ryuuko has broken free from Satsuki after episode 15 but then instead of making Ryuuko more interesting Satsuki proceeds to steal the show in the next two episodes. On top of that Satsuki breaking free from her mother felt much more satisfying than Ryuuko breaking free from Satsuki and you could really feel happy for Satsuki when she did it, it may have been predictable as fuck but I thought the scene was done pretty well.
Personally all the remaining questions I want answered involve Satsuki and more of her backstory, it's to the point where I'd seriously consider dropping the show if she were killed in the next couple of episodes unless they were to fill in those blanks posthumously, but it wouldn't really be the same if she wasn't alive I guess.
I understand what you're saying but that's why I support the theory that satsuki and ryuuko are gonna team up to take on some sort of final boss
There's this certain brand of Satsukifag that wants the show to ONLY be about Satsuki, and they are the most vocal and insufferable part of the KLK fanbase. They're even worse than monkeyfags. I like Satsuki but her interactions with Ryuuko are fucking golden. I love seeing the two of them together, and I want to see where they're going to go.
Are you trying to say kill la kill would have been better without the main character? nothing would have happened for the first 15 or so episodes, then satsuki would have gotten molested and fingered by her mother and her rebellion would begin just the same.
At least with Ryuuko those first 15 episodes were interesting.
I guess that's kind of what I'm hoping too, but Ryuuko is more than likely just going to fight the big bad by herself, I'm not really holding out hope a teamup is happening.
But Satsuki fucked up. Satsuki's rebellion wasn't breaking free of her mother, it was doing exactly what her mother wanted her to do. Nui and Ragyou have been plotting to have Satsuki go over the edge from the start. Their big endgame is Junketsu eating Satsuki.
My memories a bit hazy, and I don't want to be wrong so correct me if I am.
I can't say anything negative about the show without being branded as being part of some delusional fanbase?
I WANT to like Ryuuko, other wise I wouldn't say that I found the fact that to me Trigger hasn't done enough for me to like her that much sad. Please give me a reason to get behind Ryuuko Trigger, you still have a few episodes left, you're making it easier for me to get behind Satsuki even though I already know she's going to lose.
I swear, Satsuki fags are the most annoying and vocal part of the fanbase. They take every opportunity to fucking say how Satsuki should be the only thing this show focuses on. At least us Ryuukofags aren't so fucking delusional.
Ryuuko will win precisely because she isn't ambitious. Episode 7 told you everything you needed to know about Kill la Kill. Being free and going with the flow is better than being stiff and adhering to a plan.
I'd like to think the chance of either satsuki or any of the MAIN cast dying now is extremely unlikely. we've still got more foreshadowing to go before you hear about satsuki's dad, he was mentioned briefly. I'm guessing her dad was the one to hire ryuuko's dad and now the daughters have to carry out their fathers' will
Nobody said you have to like an MC but say that the studio hasn't don enough is pretty stupid
This is why it's hard to have KLK discussions, people take this shit way too personally.
I love seeing ryuuko and satsuki together, the fucking dialogue gets you hype
>MC but say that the studio hasn't don enough is pretty stupid
I didn't objectively say that they haven't done enough, I said they haven't done enough for ME. Maybe I just don't like this type of character then.
>ryuuko perfectly understands tsumugu's character after aikurou's explanation and even remembers his entire dialogue from episode 5
>SHE ADMITS TO BEING AFRAID
>she admits her outburst was just frustration at her own situation and maturely calms down
>SHE APOLOGIZES TO SENKETSU
>she speaks with tsumugu like a normal human being
>she jumps into an arena to save Mako's family despite being completely outnumbered
>she overcame her anger
>she is still growing and changing and figuring out her own life and what she wants to do in the future
>she has actual interactions with characters that amount to more than nonsense like most of Satsuki's dialogue
Satsukifags have become so annoying I will actually cheer when she gets mindbroken by Nui and Ragyou and she discovers that her entire rebellion was just a plot by mommy to let her taken over by Junketsu.
I guess that may be the case.
Senketsu was built at least 10 years after Junketsu. Satsuki is doomed to fall to irrelevance, she CAN'T CATCH UP.
The whole point of this plan was for her to break free from her mothers clutches, maybe she actually hasn't done it yet until Ryuuko helps her but as far as the character was concerned when that backstabbing happened she was free. Junketsu consuming Satsuki will be how she fails because that's probably the only thing she didn't plan for, her strong personality forbids her from even thinking that's a possibility.
I am probably one of--if not the biggest--Satsuki fan but Ryuuko's supposed to swing into some major awesomeness and steal the spotlight back again soon according to interviews or whatever a few weeks ago.
Whats the point of this useless little faggot.
That's been a major plot point to her character though, the fact that she has no direction and a general apathy towards everything.
This show is straightforward enough that she'll likely say the
>It isn't about just me, or Senketsu. I'm fighting for everyone the Kiryuins have crushed in their path
Speech. You know the kind of moment I'm talking about.
Especially considering as of episode 16, another part of her character is her willingness to accept the mantle her father left.
I'm not saying Ryuuko ISN'T a bitch, just that I don't expect her to be anything more as a 17 year old girl.
Where Simon lacked confidence, Ryuuko is cocky, where Simon had a sense of duty, Ryuuko has agitation that someone is telling her what to do, where Simon had an adult in his life, Ryuuko raised herself.
Point is, Ryuuko has never had to "Man up" like Simon did. She's the inverse of Simon, plenty of strength from the start with no purpose.
Satsukifag here. Probably one of the biggest. We're not all like that. I really like Ryuuko, even though I agree she is one of the weaker characters.
at this point its up to needle mohawk and ryuuko to swallow their pride and join honnouji academy against COVERS. I'd like gamagori and mako to do a speech reminding ryuuko that she is still a student at the academy and there's a bigger enemy to fight
>Satsukifags have become so annoying I will actually cheer when she gets mindbroken by Nui and Ragyou and she discovers that her entire rebellion was just a plot by mommy to let her taken over by Junketsu.
You're no fan of KLK, you should probably leave. If you can't support both characters then you're no good.
but she won't lose her way
No, you're a Satsukifag if you genuinely believe that any of the Elite Four is a better character than Ryuuko.
To draw in people who like traps. Are really too stupid to figure that out?
>you're a Satsukifag if you genuinely believe that any of the Elite Four is a better character than Ryuuko.
I do. Because they are and they are more interesting to boot. I still like Ryuuko and think she's cool though. She's a fun character to get behind, but she doesn't have much else going for her. All of the characters surrounding her besides a few are way more interesting.
The point is that Ragyou planned for Satsuki to betray her. By betraying Ragyou, Satsuki did exactly what Ragyou wanted her to do. It was all a plot to set Junketsu free.
I want to like Satsuki; if she is meant to be a hero she needs to fail. Right now, what Nui said about her is aboslutely correct. Ryuuko gets dirty, she fucks up and then stands up. That's cool. Satsuki isn't cool, she is a glorified plot device.
It seems like after getting early barebones of plot Nakashima thought "Fuck this character, she opposes my perfect waifu Satsooki" and just decided to boycot her. As result, after first episode, where we get good early introduction, our time is just wasted with Ryuuko just mindlessly and pointlessly bashing her head against the wall of plot with Mako being safeguard against any meaningful development. All of this just so we can switch to how Satsuki is absolutely flawles and everything is part of her plan.
I kinda realized I just made a generalization. It isn't all of the fanbase, it's just the extremely vocal minority that ruins it for everybody else with their ridiculous theories and delusions that they insist are reality.
>>Can now land a blow on a Satsuki despite Galactonon helping her
Trigger actually kind of took this away from her when they had Satsuki barely able to fucking stand after the fight was over due to how much Junketsu was draining her. It kind of undermines all that Ryuuko just did if Satsuki was apparently sucking in that much pain while they were fighting and she still couldn't beat her. The scene of course is required to be there from Satsuki's stand point, her weakness needs to be shown and the benefits from Ryuuko's synchronization over Satsuki's overriding need to be shown but at the same time kind of undermines her fighting ability. This is the strongest Ryuuko has ever been and she was working together with Senketsu wonderfully and yet still couldn't beat a Satsuki who apparently was in a shitton of pain from Junketsu.
Before sleeping at night, I always tell myself that there are no "Satsukifags" or "Ryuukofags", but that everybody deep inside their heart is a SatsukixRyuukofag.
It gives me the best dreams.
you could argue that the show hasn't really shifted from ryuuko at all. the first half of the season was ryuuko going to physical development, and recently its all been character development. wait until she goes all out again
>At least with Ryuuko those first 15 episodes had something happen in them
Gamagori, Nonon, Inumuta and Uzu haven't grown at all in at least 10 episodes. They don't get scared, they don't make mistakes, they don't apologize when they feel apologizes are due, they don't overcome anger and fear to move forward. They're two-dimensional (one-dimensional in Inumuta's case) cartoons.
Ryuuko's character has been more nuanced compared to the other characters.
Mako and Monkey are the only two that really come close in my opinion, as they underwent actual changes.
Where as the other's, such as Satsuki or Gamagori, have only been given depth because more of their character
has been shown. Satsuki in particular hasn't actually grown, the perspective has just shifted.
Senketsu is an artificial Kamui, Junketsu is a purebred Kamui. Junketsu is naturally stronger than Senketsu.
I'm terrified that before Ryuuko is awesome she'll screw up everything in the next episode.
You Ryukofags are so retarded you can't even make out what people are talking about.
Well, it only makes sense when Ryuko is just as bland and dumb as you people.
This arc is meant to be Ryuuko's big moment so Satsuki will fail just so Ryuuko saves her ass.
What would she screw-up? If anything goes bad it needs to be Satsuki's fault.
Still though, you don't think that scene takes away from Ryuuko even a little bit? It's like you're thinking "Wow, Ryuuko has taken great strides! She was doing well and matching Satsuki blow for blow!" and then the next episode they show Satsuki barely being able to stand implying she still fought through all that pain while fighting Ryuuko, that this is apparently the worst she has felt while using Junketsu.
>SLAVERY IS FREEDOM
>CONTRADICTION IS TRUTH
there is no evidence in the show to suggest that
You are literally saying
>The side characters aren't the focus of the show, so they can't be better
We don't get enough focus on them to have that happen and it's impossible to do so in the time they have and with the focus on Ryuuko/Satsuki. Ryuuko's growth is done finely, but it's not particularly interesting because we know where she's going and she's got big ass plot armor. I care less for her because of this. She has no chance of dying before the last episode, while every other character besides Satsuki and Ragyo do. This makes them more interesting and allows for you to invest more in them. For side characters they are a lot more than two-dimensional. They all got an appropriate amount of development.
>Trigger actually kind of took this away from her when they had Satsuki barely able to fucking stand after the fight was over due to how much Junketsu was draining her. It kind of undermines all that Ryuuko just did if Satsuki was apparently sucking in that much pain while they were fighting and she still couldn't beat her
Nakashima said that episode would be Ryuuko's victory over Satsuki. And Ryuuko clearly does win if you didn't notice. She just didn't capitalize on her victory.
THAT is why I'm terrified for the next episode. Ryuuko doesn't have what it takes right now. Like right now strike Ragyou herself would be a great idea to do under her own initiative...but 100% we know she won't. Even if Satsuki tells her that the scissor blade is the only thing that can finish her and save the world...Ryuuko is gonna screw it up I'm guessing.
She exists to make Mami happy. That's all that she needs.
Ryuuko is mostly the proxy for the audience. She's like slightly more of a character than Gordon Freeman.
Junketsu name is derived from something. Senketsu shatters on him and we know Senketsu to not be pure life fibers.
It's a decent guess atm.
I think that Ryuuko is in no danger of losing the MC slot though because of her general weakness compared to Satsuki.
It's clear Ryuuko's undergone a lot of development emotionally as a common theme for her is not letting her emotions take
control of her, primarily her anger that's most likely a holdover from being a delinquent that could give a Yakuza member a hard time.
I say this because Satsuki has't grown as a character, from an outsiders point of view she's still the same cold calculating bitch
we've all seen. It's just that recently we've seen things from her perspective. I think it's easier to explain if you think of it as
if new character details can be applied retroactively, it isn't development so much as revealing.
So where Satsuki has hid her emotions, Ryuuko has let them out violently and is accepting the repurcussions.
Where Satsuki has been little miss perfect who's always had a Keikaku, Ryuuko's plan have, and have the potential to
backfire horrendously in her face.
I guess this could be summed up as Ryuuko's character is accepting failure as just a part of life, and Satsuki's is failure is never an option, regardless of what you have to do.
The real reason they put that scene in there was to remind the audience that Junketsu is one bad day away of going berserk and consuming Satsuki because that's the inevitable climax of the current arc. Ever since episode 13, Nui and Ragyou are clearly talking about forcing Satsuki to get mad and being pushed to her limits. Then they disappeared for a while. They needed to bring it back so when JunketSatsuki appears as cliffhanger for episode 18 it doesn't feel like an asspull.
Oh, but I'll add that Trigger actually makes it sound like Satsuki can hear Junketsu from the translation we had. And the only way we know to do that is by splicing DNA.
She's going to refuse to sacrifice innocent lives. She'll choose saving Mako's family over killing Ragyou, and it will probably allow Rags to get away. It also might cause some of the devas to be injured or killed.
Half the cast was useless. That white hair bitch and the fat otaku served no purpose in that show. Hell, the short term one episode villains did more than those two ever did.
It wouldn't be an asspull though in my opinion.
Override = subjugating Junketsu
Synchronize = Gattai + Henshinketsu
>The real reason they put that scene in there was to remind the audience that Junketsu is one bad day away of going berserk and consuming Satsuki because that's the inevitable climax of the current arc.
I know, I'm just saying that at the same time it kind of undermines the fight Ryuuko just had with her. In my post I said the scene had to be there for a plot standpoint.
No, Inumuta is literally one-dimensional. Nonon and Uzu are two-dimensional. Gamagori is the single Elite Four that has a personality that's summarized in more than two faces.
Ryuuko owes Satsuki big time so saving her is the least she could do. And in all seriousness it'll be partly Ryuuko's fault she'll need saving. She won't take any initiative in the next episode, we all know that. She's going to stand there while the person she was just told is plotting the end of the world is vulnerable do jackshit.
I love Satsuki,but in terms of character development,Ryuko seems to have the upper hand.
Is not really only about the AWESOME or BADASS things/moments an MC does(and Ryuko has definitely her share of those moments,what happens is that we have seen Satsuki have them a bit more than her).
Dude, Isshin was the end-all of scientists in the Kill la Kill world. He spent over 10 years creating Senketsu, he also lost his lover in the process. Making Junketsu in any way similar to Senketsu would be an asspull that would greatly undermine Isshin's character. You better just give it up and accept that Junketsu is a dead end.
I don't see that happening at all. Your blind guesses are silly. You sound like those zombie retards.
>people getting this worked up over a comedy show
>She's going to refuse to sacrifice innocent lives.
Ryuuko is shown fighting the one stars in the OP and there really isn't any indication that you HAVE to kill them and I don't think Satsuki wants to kill innocent people either. If you're suddenly having Satsuki killing them or Ryuuko being against attacking them at all then you're changing their characters just so t hey have conflict, they'll have conflict I just hope it isn't the way you said.
>She'll choose saving Mako's family over killing Ragyou
The indication should be that they're fine, Satsuki supplied the suits not Ragyo, unless Ragyo just pulls an override out of her ass I don't think Satsuki intended to actually use them the way her mother intended. Satsuki put a shield over the top of the school in the Naturals Election episode this could be the same thing here with the cocoons.
It's the only scenario that makes sense. Otherwise ther was absolutely no point in introducing the Tailors Glove+Knife. What else is Tsumugu going to use it against if Satsuki is on his side?
>You better just give it up and accept that Junketsu is a dead end
Junketsu is vital to the plot actually. You're not thinking, clearly. Junketsu is the SOLE and ONLY instance within the entire series of life fibers being abused and mistreated. Him forgiving Satsuki and Satsuki not blaming all life fibers for what happened to her father/parents is extremely important to the story since we all know Ryuuko is pushing the huge love-love live in harmony symbiosis angle.
Unlike the scissor sword, Bakuzan isn't a magic weapon that destroys Life Fiber while doing nothing to the human inside.
>implying shit isn't getting real as fuck right now
Not only that, Isshin pulled a Jotaro instead of a Gendo because he knew keeping Ryuuko around would endanger her greatly because of what he was doing.
Hell there's a song on the OST that's just Isshin being sad about what he did to his daughter and asking if she hates him.
They're going to fight one stars if the OP is any indication. The OP also indicates though that Ryuuko is completely fine with that along with her being completely fine with attacking members of the student body(not to kill of course) throughout the entire series.
>life fibers being abused and mistreated
Wat? How is he mistreated? She wars him and feeds him blood
You've had the new OP for a while and didn't notice how Satsuki's own forces are fighting her, really dude?
Also the ones attacking Ryuuko during the brawl outside look to be Nui's puppet army.
But Satsuki can't just agree with Ryuuko's methods. That would be boring.
>Sorry, Ryuuko. I was wrong, you were right. Let's just team up and forget anything ever happened.
That won't happen, at all. We will know for sure when Junketsu goes Berserk. Ryuuko was able to feel Senketsu's emotions while Berserk, if they're ever going to make Satsuki look at Junketsu as anything but clothing it will be there.
>Wat? How is he mistreated? She wars him and feeds him blood
...you don't pay attention.
Because wearing him now is mistreating and abusing.
Seriously, those people doesn't seem to understand how much Kamui wants blood.
They just want to shit on Satsuki somehow.
So you agree with me that Ragyou will just screw Satsuki over and take control of her army to use it against her?
The One Stars are also attacking Satsuki.
If Junketsu is just like Senketsu and WANTS to be friends with Satsuki then Satsuki is obviously mistreating him. It isn't really her fault, obviously her upbringing has led her to detest and fear Life Fibers and she doesn't want them to have any control over her body.
Junketsu being like Senketsu and Satsuki seeing Ryuuko's way of things is a very good way of proving that Ryuuko's ideals are actually possible and not just a pipe dream, that her and Senketsu aren't just a very special case.
I could see this having a bittersweet ending though, that what Ryuuko wants isn't possible and the Life Fibers simply leave, including Senketsu.
I want to protect that deterined resolve.
>Point is, Ryuuko has never had to "Man up" like Simon did. She's the inverse of Simon, plenty of strength from the start with no purpose.
If that was the case, the entire training plot with Satsuki was for nothing. Ryuuko just doesn't fully know what she's fighting for, she's finding out things bit by bit with the viewer.
>nothing would have happened for the first 15 or so episodes,
But that's what happened anyway.
Are you kidding? He's fucking stapled to walls repeatedly against his fucking will, she OVER RIDES his will with her own and manipulates him like a puppet.
He's a living being that's not being respected due to Satsuki's blind hate of life fibers and her belief that symbiosis is impossible when it's actually not.
>But Satsuki can't just agree with Ryuuko's methods. That would be boring.
You're right, she can't just agree with it. She can be shown it, though. She can be shown it by losing.
If you have a problem with my guess then tell me, because what you said is basically what I think.
Junketsu wanting to be friends with Satsuki is ridiculously improbable.
Someone will eventually. Not sure who.
Also the crowds are horribly inconsistent and people shouldn't be judging that she's leaping into it or that it's even a fucking crowd in all seriousness.
In 17 the crowd fails to accurately portray itself after its been sealed. The background people repeatedly don't look like they're in cocoons after it happens, they look like a normal crowd.
>They just want to shit on Satsuki somehow.
And it's becoming increasingly difficult to do so, so they grasp further and further for something they can use.
It's quite funny, actually. She's not perfect by any means, but she's trying to save the world right now, which is pretty tough to argue with as a demonstration of her heroism.
jesus christ her arms are like tiny t-rex vestigial arms
1. Junketsu is not sapient, confirmed by Trigger
2. He was stuck in an underground vault for years, at least he is being worn now
>blind hate of life fibers
Doesn't seem all that blind to me, maybe we don't know the full reason but it certainly looks like she has some huge issue with Life Fibers and living together with them. Satsuki is like Tsumugu, they didn't just decide one day that "grr I hate Life Fibers", they had some kind of experience that shaped that opinion.
It kinda makes me laugh when people say that Ryuuko is useless and Satsuki isn't when it actually is the other way around. Don't read if you don't want the pivotal plot point of the final arc spoiled:
The "Ryuuko has telepathy" joke in episode 16 wasn't just a joke. Ryuuko is evolving thanks to her relationship to Senketsu, except literally. She is becoming a super-human. In episode 18, she will be able to listen to the Life Fiber's feelings, she will discover that they're suffering. Life Fiber isn't antagonistic, they're just being controlled by the true antagonist.
What training plot with Satsuki?
Satsuki was training her soldiers with Ryuko, not the other way around.
You can't tell me Satsuki is not in a static point at the moment.
At least,Ryuko went from "Revenge" to "I don't give a fuck" to "I sort of give fucks,but I wish to simply go away".
The problem with ryuuko is simple
>She is completely one dimensional
She is just a nice person, sure she has doubts and stuff but all she does is yell and beat up bad people.
>She is completely boring compared to the cast of side characters
Pretty much everyone besides Dog and senketsu (another really boring protagonist) is more interesting than her.
>Her early motivations were completely abandoned
Why did she give a fuck about her dad?
Why should we?
He was a joke character and still is 17 episodes in, maybe they will do something cool but early on this was the big mystery and they handled it poorly
Now she is all "I NEED TO GET STRONGAH" and doesn't stop blabbing about it hell she doesn't even seem to be that interested in saving the world since the "friendship is important" plot is contrived.
>She makes little to no sacrifices
She hasn't lost anything.
Even senketsu was lost for LESS than a whole episode
Well technically like 5 minutes since he could still talk to her and it was like he never left.
Not even a Satsuki fag but you can't ignore that after episode 3 she was MUCH MUCH more interesting in terms of character and motivations.
3. He needs three times as much blood as Senketsu does, it's a wonder Satsuki isn't anemic by now
They've been shown Lelouch from the eyes of the peasants, and it angries up their blood.
>Junketsu is not sapient, confirmed by Trigger
Wrong, he's confirmed to be. We had earlier shitty translations that were talking about Ragyou's clothes. They make it clear that a mark of Kamui is in fact intelligence.
She is still a fascist cunt, that just sacrificed a stadium full of people to get a shot at Ragyou
>but muh ends justify the means
This is 100% true. My dad works at Trigger too.
>1. Junketsu is not sapient, confirmed by Trigger
Pretty sure they used ambiguous language for this, meaning it's open for them to change.
There's that word again......
No he's intelligent, our old translation made it sound like he has consciousness but not intelligence and it was wrong. They were speaking about Ragyou's clothes. They're alive but not intelligent.
Nope only Senketsu, Junketsu does not poses conciousness
>>Senketsu is a boring character
>all this stuff that's been explained already
>She hasn't lost anything
You are really dumb.
She was doing both, how did you fail to see it?
She let her run away as she pleased, kept insisting Ryuuko needs to get better at wearing her kamui, kept facing her and giving her reasons to chase her down so she'd keep getting stronger with Senketsu.
And now with the latest episode she waited till Ryuuko was there to strike. She obviously needs her for something.
Wrong, you're going off the old shitty translation we had. Also you must have meant to say intelligence.
So Kill la Kill is How to Train Your Dragon.
You implying she isn't a fascist?
She's been using Ryuuko for multiple reasons, which is why she didn't pull off her coup until Ryuuko arrived. She uses her to expose flaws in her weapons and she'll use her vendetta to help her defeat Ragyo.
>but muh ends justify the means
It's either a stadium full of people or the whole goddamn world.
I'd choose the world.
That's the point though.
Ryuuko's very blatantly going to do the whole "It's more than just me, or any one person! I'm going to crush the entire Kiryuin family for every person they've stomped out in their conquest"
Ryuuko and Senketsu form a genuine bond of clothing and human.
And that in a conflict that's now boiled down to Alien space clothing vs. nudists vs. Girl Stalin.
She is literally at the centre of the conflict.
>that just sacrificed a stadium full of people to get a shot at Ragyou
The fucking Mankanshoku's are in there, Mako and her family are basically confirmed to make it to the end of the series at this point because I don't see how killing them would advance the plot or Ryuuko's character growth, it would just be a cheap shot to the emotions. The only people on your deathwatch should be Satsuki and the Devas, they're in danger right now, followed by Aikurou and Tsumugu although they're not in as much danger as Satsuki's crew. Ryuuko and the Mankanshoku's will be fine.
Also Satsuki supplied the suits, I could see you being concerned if Ragyo did but she didn't.
>Ignoring the fact that Satsuki was responsible for the manufacturing and distribution of the uniforms for everybody
>Ignoring the fact that everything up until this point has been part of her plan
Like I said, grasping.
Can someone post the correct translation please?
No, you are.
More like Gundam 00, Ryuuko is Setsuna Senketsu is Gundam.
>muh false dilemma
Or you know she could have worked together with Nudist Beach
Are you implying that she is? "Fascism" is a buzzword, I bet you couldn't even define it
What has Ryuko lost?
Go ahead, tell us.
There was no point at all to her character except to provide an excuse for a love triangle, so they didn't have to actually write the two leads together. And she had no personality or character besides "I'm in love with MC-kun and can cook".
You're stating things that are objectively wrong and that have been explained by the show and acting like they are bad things. So no you're dumb.
But Satsuki's plan to protect the people can't work, otherwise there was no point in giving Tsumugu the Tailor Glove and Knife. He needs to use them against something.
They will make it out alive, because Ryuuko will save them. That doesn't matter. What matters is that Satsuki was ready to sacrifice all the lived of Honnoji for a chance to kill Ragyou
yeah like you.
Yes, because Nudist Beach would certainly manage to deal with Ragyo and Nui.
You people know shit.
More than Satsuki.
Her Dad, her only home. Those are pretty big things to lose even if you're not close to your Dad or live at home.
Ragyo wouldn't acknowledge her as her successor until Nudist Beach was defeated.
It doesn't help that they were literally shit.
By the way, what was ryuko fighting for again? I guess she already knows what happened to her father and that Nui's the killer, but what is her objective now?
>But Satsuki's plan to protect the people can't work, otherwise there was no point in giving Tsumugu the Tailor Glove and Knife. He needs to use them against something.
What is Nui?
How about we stop grasping for any reason to besmirch Satsuki, and instead see what she's up to. It's not in her character to murder an entire stadium of people, no matter what you may think.
So you have nothing to say? We can all agree you're post is wrong and you have nothing to back it up because it's wrong? Thanks for confirming all of this.
A totalitarian system where the state is run like a corporation. People who do not subscribe tot he ideological dogmas are precluded from political action.
Imagine a show without Ryuuko.
Satsuki would be a protagonist. We could see all her inner thoughts and all events with her.
She would be insuffereable Mary Sue.
Ryuuko is the only person in the entire Kill la Kill world who stands a chance against Ragyou or Nui. The scissor sword is the only weapon capable of fully destroying Life Fiber. Senketsu is the single Kamui specifically created to fight against Life Fiber and befriend humans, it also can evolve.
Satsuki's plan was for absolutely nothing, she never stood a chance. She can't outscience Isshin.
She had already lost both before the show even started.
Satsuki sacrificed her safety being a Kyriuin just to get a chance at overthrowing life fibers.
>It's not in her character to murder an entire stadium of people, no matter what you may think.
Yet she was ok with burning Osaka to the ground
She's fine with trashing entire cities though. And trying to blame Dosh-king for its destruction is like trying to give the Russians sole responsibility for the destruction of Stalingrad.
You just said "you are wrong"
Not much to argue because you just made an empty statement without any facts to back it up.
And I reciprocated to bait you to actually say something.
That's because of plot.
As a character it makes complete sense for Satsuki to atleast try her best to save the world.
I'm not blaming Satsuki, I'm saying that her plan to protect the people won't work.
And the Tailor Glove and Scissor Knife wasn't designed to fight against Nui, it was designed to beat minions. Ragyou or Nui will take control of the people and pit them against Satsuki and Ryuuko, just like the OP predicted.
Sec, lost my whole post due to firefox crashin
need to get stronger.
>Yet she was ok with burning Osaka to the ground
And she scared its citizens away first, and they never showed any casualties on either side.
She was okay on sacrificing her Devas because MUH PRIDE
>What matters is that Satsuki was ready to sacrifice all the lived of Honnoji for a chance to kill Ragyou
She wasn't, though. There wouldn't be any significance to showing Iori making the suits if she did not tamper with them in some way. We don't know how or what they're fighting next episode but you're assuming that it's obviously because Satsuki just sacrificed a bunch of people at once. Even if those people are killed I personally don't think it's in Satsuki's character to kill innocent people that no chance to fight back or choice, if something happens to them then Ragyo pulled something out of her ass, but that isn't the same as saying she willingly sacrificed a bunch of people.
Yeah, but she wanted Ryuuko there for her coup d'etat, so maybe deep down she knows she can't win this one without her help, even if she'd never admit it.
All this Dante/Virgil bullshit has to pay off at some point. So they have to team up, at least for a little while.
How does this change the fact that she lost them? She still lost these things and currently to her she's lost her surrogate family since they are in Life Fiber cocoons.
I pointed out things that were wrong. Like how Ryuuko hadn't lost anything and I'd think if you'd watched the shows you'd realize things like "Why did she give a fuck about her dad?" Either that or you're retarded.
Isshin was the master of all scientists. Him and Kinue had the revolutionary idea of being friends with clothing. Isshin's lover died in the experiment. He dedicated his entire life to building Senketsu and sacrificed his relationship to his daughter for it.
And you guys are saying that Junketsu, who was created long before Senketsu, will be in any way similar to Senketsu? Don't be fucking retarded, it would completely undermine Isshin's character and the reason Ryuuko was basically an orphan her entire life.
>And the Tailor Glove and Scissor Knife wasn't designed to fight against Nui, it was designed to beat minions. Ragyou or Nui will take control of the people and pit them against Satsuki and Ryuuko, just like the OP predicted.
Actually, we don't know what the Tailor's Knife/Glove's purpose is going to be. We just know it cuts Life Fibers.
At this point destroying Osaka(the citizens are fine and even Takarada is fine too) and all the other cities should be seen as necessary because if they weren't taken over then Ragyo would have taken it over instead.
>Senketsu is clothing constructed from life fibers with a will of his own. He does not want to hurt Ryuuko. He wants to coexist.
>Up to now, Senketsu is the only kamui to clearly show he has a will.
>Satsuki's Junketsu seems to be worn forcibly, and even Ragyou's clothing, while it seems to have consciousness, doesn't seem to have intelligence.
>Senketsu, made by Dr. Matoi, is up to now the only clothing with intellect.
1 We know Junketsu has a will, it's obvious.
2 "Up to now" is much like the statement that questions Junketsu's will, it's stating stuff how it appears so far in the episodes without trying to blatantly spoil stuff (though it's obvious he has a will)
Ryuuko's dad=His dream=Senketsu=Ryuuko
Satsuki's dad=His dream=Junketsu=Satsuki
We need to know what her dad wanted.
He could have surrendered. Instead he decided to pay civies to fight an army and lost. Satsuki's a utilitarian, and there are higher priorities. It's not like anyone died there.
I agree with you 100%, but whatever Ragyou is pulling out of her ass will make Ryuuko protect the people over helping Satsuki.
This thread in a nutshell:
>my waifu is the better waifu
Also I forgot the part where a previous post says Junketsu speaks, and then ponders if Satsuki listens/hears. I'd have to go find the translation though
So it's a mystery if Junketsu has been spliced with her DNA or not.
fuck you, I had a good time discussing the show itt
Nothing in that paragraph implies that Junketsu is in any way similar to Senketsu. And it would be absolutely stupid if they made it so. It would undermine Ryuuko, Isshin, Kinue and Senketsu's characters. Senketsu is the reason Ryuuko didn't have a mother or a father. Ryuuko's mother died to complete Senketsu. Ryuuko's father neglected her to compelte Senketsu. Senketsu is the personification of Isshin's 17 year old sacrifice. It would be fucking retarded for Junketsu to be the same when it was around when Satsuki was 3, specially when Satsuki's dad has been a non-character for 17 episodes.
>She wasn't, though. There wouldn't be any significance to showing Iori making the suits if she did not tamper with them in some way
That's just wild conjecture. Don't treat it as fact idiot
Perhaps. But we can't take pic related as anything more than it shows: Satsuki jumping towards an amorphous red and black blob, transformed, and Bakuzan unsheathed.
We don't know exactly what this means. She could be prepared to kill, or she could be, as some anons have jokingly proposed, jumping in to save Mataro. We don't know.
I just take issue with people saying she willingly sacrificed people. If those people are sacrificed I don't think that was part of Satsuki's plan, she intended for them to be perfectly fine.
Some people are assholes and can't accept when others are enjoying a character.
Yeah, it seems like they left it deliberately ambiguous, so as not to spoil what could be a major development. It would be interesting to hear what Junketsu has to say, if/when he does actually turn out to be sapient.
IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE FOR JUNKETSU TO BE SIMILAR TO SENKETSU
SENKETSU WAS COMPLETED 6 MONTHS BEFORE THE SHOW STARTED. ISSHIN, THE GREATEST SCIENCE IN THE KLK-UNIVERSE, DEDICATED 17 YEARS TO COMPLETE IT, HE LOST HIS LOVER IN THE PROCESS AND NEGLECTEED HIS DAUGHTER.
JUNKETSU WAS COMPLETED AT LEAST 15 YEARS AGO. SATSUKI'S FATHER DIDN'T SACRIFICE SHIT TO FINISH IT. IF HE DIED, IT WAS AFTER IT WAS COMPLETED.
IT WOULD BE SHIT STORYTELLING IF THEY WERE SIMILAR.
>How does this change the fact that she lost them? She still lost these things and currently to her she's lost her surrogate family since they are in Life Fiber cocoons.
We mean to say she haven't lost anything during the show.
She had already accepted the death of her father and her house when it started.
And we know nothing about her reaction to Mako's family in the cocoons yet.
We'll only know next episode.
Choosing to support a a lesser evil is still choosing to support evil
Her methods are not sound, she crippled the biggest anti REVOCS force in the world, and her plans are certainly going to fail.
I don't think it's in Satsuki's character to do that and like I said, they showed Iori making the suits those people were wearing.
Sure, it's not fact. But talking as if she did nothing and willingly sacrificed those people as if that was a fact isn't right either.
Maybe she just plans to cut the fibers off the people and set them free, the same thing that the nudist beach are going to do?
It worries me that she has Junketsu activated, though.
>But talking as if she did nothing and willingly sacrificed those people as if that was a fact isn't right either.
No, those are the cold, hard facts at the moment. Satsuki sacrificed the stadium, Osaka, the entirety of Japan just so she can get a shot at Ragyou
This isn't about her reaction to losing things. It's about her losing things, which she has. We saw her reaction to losing her father and home and that's everything that's happened in the show until after she was consumed.
Simply see >>101797136
Also we have no idea what his dream is. And since nobody built anything else like the scissors I don't think that he made those easily either.
A lot of stuff involves her dad and what he wanted and what happened to him.
When did this thread get invaded by Takaradafags? We're trying to discuss whether or not Satsuki intended to sacrifice the spectators, and suddenly cries of "MUH OSAKA" and "REMEMBER OSAKA" start popping up like weeds.
You sure are stupid.
You really think they just killed Mako's family like that?
There will certainly be a twist that will end up with them alive.
She doesn't willingly sacrifice them, but when Ragyou inevitably pulls an asspull to control them Satsuki won't touch her heart to protect them. She just can't defeat Life Fibers without hurting people. The scissor sword and Senektsu are the only weapons with the capacity to do so. Satsuki can't fucking outscience Isshin.
>evil at all
She is no way evil. She is as morally grey as they come.
Growth isnt needed for me to like a character. Its cool that Ryuuko changed but I still prefer Satsuki has a character. The depth they added to her in the recent episodes really helped to understand her actions and made her a character I can really get behind. Characters that always win can still be interesting given the proper exposition. (though I'm sure she'll lose soon because her ideals are still too twisted/tainted)
>Satsuki sacrificed the stadium.
The Mankanshoku's are trapped in there, that should at least give you some indication that they aren't in any real danger.
Where are they supposed to live now? The city is still a burned out ruin. A whole city of people have just become refugees, thanks to Satsuki. Do you have any idea how much of a disaster that is? There's nothing morally right about creating a humanitarian crisis.
I look forward to hearing your callous "exitus acta probat" justification for this.
This is actually a nive discussion so far.
You're the guy that kept saying Ryuuko's part in Satsuki's plan was simply being a distraction, aren't you? You're blind by hate.
Kill la kill yourself.
>No, those are the cold, hard facts at the moment.
Just because you say something is a fact doesn't mean it suddenly is.
All we know about the stadium is that it's filled with Life Fiber cocoons, and one shota who didn't follow the rules.
Stop supplementing the unknown with your own fantasy.
Are you people fucking retarded? Just because they will inevitably get saved by Ryuuko doesn't mean Satsuki wasn't ready to sacrifice them
The thing is that Satsuki has been like that the whole time, we've just had more details revealed.
Agree to disagree then.
Isshin is the end of all scientists in the KLK universe. Senketsu is his masterpiece, his lover was sacrificed to complete it. It would be cheap and stupid for Junketsu to have the same potential. They aren't twin Kamuis, Junketsu has been around for 15 years, Senketsu was completed 6 months before the show started. IT DOESN'T FUCKING ADD UP.
Ryuuko's end game is completely impossible if Senketsu and Ryuuko are special and symbiosis is impossible aside from her very special case.
Unless Trigger just plans on having the Life Fibers leave Earth at the end anyways and are implying that yes, what Ryuuko actually wants out of this simply isn't possible. Her and Senketsu are special.
Why are you so goddamn sure that it's Ryuko that is going to save them?
Why are you so sure Satsuki didn't nothing at all to not have to sacrifice everyone?
He's obviously going to be the reason for Mako to get into the stadium.
>the unknown with your own fantasy.
What unknown? At this point in time there is nothing even alluding that Satsuki tried to prevent the people in the stands from getting devoured by the Life-Fibers
I don't think it would sit well with the elite four.
Especially Gamagoori (plus he obviously has a thing for Mako so he wouldnt have invited her parents). Destroying a town is something. Killings thousands is another.
If Satsuki's dad was a scientist as talented as Isshin, Ragyou would never have had hired Isshin to research the Life Fibers. But she went for Isshin because Isshin is the fucking END ALL of scientists in the Kill la Kill world. Satsuki and her dad can't out-science Isshin. Senketsu and the scissor swords are the single weapons that genuinely stand a chance at ending this war. That's it, Satsuki and Junketsu and her dad were just hitting on a dead end.
Slow your autism, you're seriously a retard that I would slap if you were next to me.
For all we know the mystery behind her father could be that he's Isshin as well. There's a ton of room for random bullshit rapid aging due to life fiber side-effects or some other bullshit. And the insert random reason #525 for why he only just now made Senketsu. It could have been that he was actually spending his time on the sword just like he said and it wasn't a total lie. After all the scissors are unique and it's canon that we have two Kamui.
Stop thinking you know jackshit about storytelling if the story doesn't unfold the way YOU want it to.
Junketsu isn't special. It just happens that Life Fiber was never trying to kill humanity in the first place.
>No, those are the cold, hard facts at the moment.
Stadium people were never confirmed to be dead ever by anyone. Osaka was just a city and she saved quite a few civilians. The rest of Japan is the same as the stadium which has not indication that they are dead. Stop saying your theories are facts.
>For all we know the mystery behind her father could be that he's Isshin as well.
Satsuki and Ryuuko are almost the same fucking age. Kinue is Ryuuko's mom, Isshin already looked like Isshin in the Kinue flashback.
>And the insert random reason #525 for why he only just now made Senketsu.
BECAUSE HE SPENT 17. Kinue died to make it possible.
All things being the same, the simpler explanation if often the right one.
Satsuki being ready to sacrifice the lives of the Honnoji inhabitants is the simpler of two explanations
Sacrfying all the people wouldnt strenghten the lifefibers. And is an important step towards fiber domination.
Satsuki is anti-fiber. She wouldn't let that happen.
Here even if shes that cold-hearted killing the people in the stadium would still be a stupid move.
You realize that Ryuuko and Satsuki are 17 and 18, right?
>Sacrfying all the people wouldnt strenghten the lifefibers
As would destroying Nudist Beach
Trying to defeat Satsuki's flawed ideals. Just sucks that everything is satsuki's KEIKATSU DOORI bullshit.
Wouldn't it be funny if Ryuuko actually_WAS_defeating Satsuki's plans, and she's basically going "Y-Yeah... exactly as planned... I was just pretending to be retarded! Y-you mad...?"
simpler than Satsuki having Iori trinker with the uniforms in a way that wouldn't kill everyone and streghten the life fibers Satsuki hate so much?
>For all we know the mystery behind her father could be that he's Isshin as well.
The only retard in this thread is you.
whose main base is still active and Satsuki already know that she is observed by them? Oh. Right Nudist Beach.
You're a lost cause.
To be fair, Nonon fucked it up and did a half-assed job destroying the base. I guess that's to be expected from a failure like Snake.
And this is troublesome.I don't know if Gama was incredibly confident or just plain stupid to send them there,because if Satsuki's plan ends up backfiring in any way that ends up jeopardazing the lives of those people,he's the one who's going to be responsible if anything happens to Barazo and Sukuyo.
What Nudist Beach has to do with anything?
Nudist Beach was single-handedly beaten by Nonon who's certainly not even close to the level of Nui and Ragyo.
It doesn't matter if Satsuki ever planned on sacrificing people or not. Things won't go as planned and instead of dropping the original plan to protect everyone she will try to pull a "SACRIFICES ARE NECESSARY" speech on Ryuuko, who will proceed to say "FUCK THAT" and focus on rescuing the people over helping Satsuki's plot.
His faith in Satsuk-sama is infinite.
>Mataro still shocked in the stands makes a break for it
>Nui sees him running towards her and decides to have some fun
>about to reach the exit, Nui lands right in front of him
>Says some Nui line like "Where do you think you're going, especially without letting me play with you"
>involuntarily just yells for his sister since she's the only family not coccooned, despite assuming she's nowhere near here.
>"You think anybody is going to help you? Muda muda muda."
>Rears back with the scissor blade
>steps forward to swing
>Nui seizes up as she tries to swing
>The scissor blade is stuck on something
>Annoyed, closes her eyes and stops, sighing
>Blood drips along the hilt of the blade and onto her face
>camera pans to the side revealing a bare hand clutching the blade
>camera shows Mataro's reaction of "N-Neesan..."
>violin cover of the orchestral DON'T LOSE YOUR WAY kicks in
Random scene, but I like it.
>better call him names
Their leader created Senketsu and the Scissor Sword. Ryuuko and Senektsu are the only real way of opposing Life Fibers.
My mother works at REVOCs and confirm this theory.
You forget that Mako's brother inadvertently spared himself. Whether that translates into him being useful remains to be seen...
>all these Satsuki and Ryuuko fags
Jesus fuck the way they drew Ryuko and Satsuki that episode was so bad.
The summary is pretty much that Satsuki is doomed to fail because she can't outscience Isshin.
How do you know that?
Just because Aikuro said so?
Sure, this is a battle shounen and it's probably going to go that way, but that proves nothing by itself.
Stop writing greentext fanfiction
You people are taking a whole lot of facts from what amounts to a 30 second preview video filled mostly with still shots.
Lets just wait until we see what the fuck happens first and stop jumping at each others throats and stating a bunch of "facts".
Satsuki is doomed to fail because she's not the MC and Ragyo is the final boss right now.
It's simple as that.
If Satsuki hadn't done anything, it would have been much easier for Isshin to just train Ryuuko and calmly explain everything to her. So basically, Satsuki is an idiot who shouldn't have done anything in the first place.
>At this point in time there is nothing even alluding that Satsuki tried to prevent the people in the stands from getting devoured by the Life-Fibers
Except for all those new uniforms getting made, the fact that she choose now to rebel, and the fact that there's nothing alluding to the fact that they are dead.
In order for it to be a sacrifice, people actually have to die. There's no proof that any of those people are dead, and it's entirely possible they'll be just fine due to changes Iori made.
You're the one assuming the people are going to die, it's not a fact.
It's clear as day to anyone with a lick of sense that Satsuki is the "sacrifices must be made" guy while Ryuuko is the "I will save them all" guy
MUH OSAKA! REMEMBER THE 666 GORILLION ZENI LOST AT OSAKA!
Because Isshin is the end-all of science in the Kill la Kill world and Senketsu is his masterpiece.
>Satsuki should just sit her ass and watch as life-fibers conquer everything in hope that a old man's daughter can beat allien gods
You just need to accept the fact that life fiber abuse is going to be a plot and Junketsu is a great example of it.
In the first episode we saw that you transform just by putting on a 1 star. What happens if you don the 100% life fiber suits Ragyou made and what was most likely on Satsuki's father? Would you become fit and look different just like the 1 star does?
This is all wild speculah but it's no better than your bold exclamations of WHAT MUST HAPPEN OR ELSE KLK IS BAD HURRRR
Pretty much, but then it wouldn't be as fun.
>Ryuuko will actually take Ragyo side because killing parents is wrong and her friendship with Senketsu make her believe that people are better off being cocoons.
>What a twist!
>You people are taking a whole lot of facts from what amounts to a 30 second preview video filled mostly with still shots.
It'll happen every week though, some Satsuki haters are just that vocal.
Satsuki confirmed for /pol/'s waifu
>In order for it to be a sacrifice, people actually have to die.
Um no, ever hear the story "Binding of Isaac"?
Hey don't spoil the ending.
Making her the straight woman to all of the crazy ness and awesomeness and even the sexuality in the show necessitates she be somewhat...average and boring.
However we do see this young woman grow from being a lonely revenge driven girl into someone who's experienced family life and happiness and grown as a person. However, something as happy and wholesome as that doesn't = over the top drama if the person who's given that isn't emotionally broken in some major way.
It's not as satisfying.
She's cute and fun and great and I've stroked ye ole love staff with both fists over her but, like in other good shows, the side characters always end up overshadowing them somewhat.
Something major is going to happen, something about who and what ryuko is. The thing is, I don't think she's going to win because she's the mc, I think she's going to win because she's potentially the most powerful force in the entire show. And no, I don't mean because of sanketsu going berserk either.
No, I agree with you that Life Fiber abuse is a plot point. But making Junketsu "special" would ruin that; I mean, it would make Ryuuko's point meaningless. Ryuuko's point is that humans and Life Fibers can make peace, if Junketsu is just an artificial Kamui like Senketsu than her philosophy still makes no sense. Junketsu needs to be purebred to prove that peace is possible.
Beats making everything 10 times worse
And you realize that special fibers exist that change your physical appearance, right?
I'm going fullscale using everything in the universe here.
I actually think Satsuki's father isn't Isshin but it still won't change the fact that other people want to shit on KLK because they don't like potential developments.
Sure, but that doesn't mean Junketsu needs to be an special, artificial Kamui. The big revelation is going to be that Life Fibers just weren't evil in the first place:
>I mean, it would make Ryuuko's point meaningless
No, it wouldn't.
Really tired of this conversation.
No, I haven't.
Sticking to the main point, it's not a fact any of those people are dead, they could very well be just fine.
Therefore, it's not a "fact" she sacrificed anyone, so stop claiming it is.
They're vocal, because meat is murder.
Isshin already looked like Isshin when Ryuuko's mom died.
>No, I haven't.
Are you serious?
That doesn't match what's been said so far at all.
>Isshin already looked like Isshin when Ryuuko's mom died.
You're still not getting it. Whenever he puts on the suit he could become FABULOUS for as far as we know.
Ryuuko's point is that humans and Life Fibers can live in peace. Not humans and articial, genetically modified Life Fibers; humans and all Life Fibers. How would Satsuki becoming friendly with an artificial, genetically modified Life Fiber be in any way relevant to Ryuuko's philosophy? Hint: in no way at all.
Some anon had a nice theory today, he said that Ryuuko's is Isshin's creation, like he's her Dr. Frankenstein. It fits the idea of him being her "father" without having an actual mother. Her creatior.
You don't make any sense since Senketsu is the genetically modified Kamui. We just went over that last episode
>remove Ryuuko and Senketsu
>make Tsunmugu and his story the main focus
>make Mako his morphing cloth weapon, a la Oeufcoque, and give her Senketsu's role
>show is now 10x funnier and better
What has been said? That Life Fibers are antagonistic towards humans? No, that's what humans believe. Since Life Fibers and humans can't communicate, they misunderstand each other. That was the real reason they created Senketsu, to allow humans to communicate with Life Fiber. He is synchronizing with Ryuuko so she reaches a state of evolution in which she can understand Life Fibers.
>My wife, who was also my assistant died in a horrid experiment while testing her creation. So I made a young clone of her.
And it would make sense for him to use Kinue's DNA perhaps and then he just lied about her mother the whole time so she didn't grow up thinking she was weird.
Yeah, most of us thought of that at the beginning. Been months and still nothing definite though.
I fail to remember what series did this before, but the failed experiment could have turned Tsuumugu's sister back into a kid.
Senketsu was created not as a weapon but as a way of allowing humans and Life Fibers to communicate. Ryuuko will be able to understand the feelings of non-artificial Life Fiber thanks to Senketsu. That's Kinue's big plan: humanity and Life Fiber's friendship.
Up until ten minutes ago Ryuuko didn't even know what life fibers were or why she had a bond with Senketsu.
What I'm saying is that even though coexistence is probably the ending, because contemporary nips are children, her position on the matter was completely uninformed, and when she learned something she attributed the scheme to a human collaborator and not the alien invaders.
That's not true at all though. Stop making up shit, even if it's to try and diffuse the BS circular arguments it's just making more BS.
... Goddamn it.
That would explain Ryuuko's weird eyes, and the red in her hair, though.
Which is what I find so bullshit about it. Even Nudist Beach has plans for when they win and when they lose, like when they put their actual base below ground. This is why I don't really care for Ryuuko or her victories, she has no planning so when she needs to win she or Senketsu will just pull something out of their ass that will counter exactly what they need to counter.
You actually think the show will end by saying that Life Fibers are evil? Seriously?
What? Ryuuko hasn't said anything on the sort at all. She doesn't know what her end game is... YET. She will discover Life Fiber is suffering as much as humans in the next few episodes.
are you some kind of stupid, she's te main character, you cant remove her, i mean, the show itself is about her
>Life fibers aliens are good people
>evil humans are just misunderstanding them
This sounds like something out of a 10 years old kid.
My dick disagrees
Nah, Ryuuko and Mako's interactions are part of makes the show good. And Senketsu's voice is God Tier.
It hasn't been revealed yet.
Freedom, bro. Ryuuko can change because she is free. Satsuki is a slave of ideals.
Senketsu is a way to show peace between humans and life fibers but he is also a weapon. There would have been no need for the scissors and Nudist Beach otherwise. Isshin clearly intended for there to be combat as well.
>How to Train your Dragon
The aliens are never evil these days, Anon.
>oh woe is me why did I have to be a human and not a qt alien
Well, of course. It's like Eureka Seven's Nirvash!
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>You actually think the show will end by saying that Life Fibers are evil? Seriously?
Didn't say that, idiot. You're dodging the fact that you're making shit up.
Reminder that Satsuki-sama fights for the superiority of humanity.
Wait, there are people in /a/ that believe the show is going to play the Life Fibers as "evil"?
Is this the same people that believed the squids weren't going to be good in Gargantia?
You know, for once, I want them to be evil and not go down the friendship road. Senketsu may stay.
Didn't you know that all conflict stems from misunderstanding???
It will go down the friendship road. Satsuki is wrong, Ryuuko and Kinue are right. The ending of Kill la Kill was decided the moment Tsumugu talked to Ryuuko about Kinue's dream.
Was it during the TTGL finale that /a/ was playing ROW ROW or when? I can only remember the music and not the exact time frame
For now. The show will end with Ryuuko and Senketsu creating a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
>How to Train your Dragon
I meant that the overall message is the same. Dragons weren't evil, just misunderstood and being used by the villain.
Where did anyone say that? Point it out
I'm really wondering what /a/ is gonna be like during the finale. People were already freaking out at the last episode hardcore for TOO MANY THREADS FUCK OFF FAGGOTS. It hasn't even truly begun.
>zero hope of winning
Why is Satsuki so shit?
There's actually multiple ways to interpret that + the fact that it was part of the act
Go fuck yourself.
literally the only reason she's going to lose is because she's not the MC.
The big mother dragon forcing the small dragons to steal the good for her.
Oh,and for a second I thought I missed some sort of weird plot twist or something.
>finale is shit
>literally composited video footage of the guys at trigger wearing thighhighs
>there are no threads
>people just drop the subject in disgust
It wasn't part of any act, confirmed by the commentary for the episode. And Gamagori looked genuinely worried.
>look at how hard i can b8 mom
>im sure noone will know i'm waiting to upload this ruseman image after they reply
This >>101800504 is for >>101800373
>>finale is shit
>>literally composited video footage of the guys at trigger wearing thighhighs
I don't understand how these two things could happen. The finale would instantly be the greatest thing ever if that was the finale, especially if there was a giant TO BE CONTINUED IN THE OVA sign flashing while they dance around.
No, senketsu was a way for Ryuuko to be protected from the life fibers and to allow her to slowly fuse with some and become normal.
Senketsu on it's own is powerful and any idiot can wear him and gain something akin to one star power, However, no one can actually understand him except her and apparently the mohawked guy.
The real power of the suit comes from ryuuko herself. She's able to pull unbelievable strength from life fibers and sanketsu acts as sort of a limiter, and buffer and as I said protection.
The only way anyone can wear a 100% life fiber suit is if it's sentient and can help the user control it's power or is a hive mind that can be cowed so they will not be overwhelmed.
It's going to be fucking bananas when sanketsu is lost again and she slips on a one star uniform and goes power mad. Full on cackling "so this is the power you've been hiding from me sanketsu" kind of deal
Hell the simple one star suit will begin to transform into some insane obviously evil red mosntrosity.
Even more insane when she fist fights nui to a standstill.
That and the fact that she thinks people are pigs in human clothes and that the primary reason humans do anything is out of fear.
Make it happen, Trigger.
>domination is a good way to create a society
>I'll help my evil mother complete her plan, I won't betray her until the plot is complete and she has everything she needs to awaken COVERS
>I'll use this unstable, insane Kamui made of 100% Life Fiber to fight against the Queen of Life Fiber! What can go wrong?
>I'll send the Elite Four to fight an enemy whose true power-level I'm unaware of and I myself can't defeat. I'll try to fight in my Kamui despite being aware that if the fight goes on for too long it will actually make shit worse for everyone else
Like I said, Satsuki a shit.
Yea has you say Life Fibers Can't end up being evil.
Simply because their are a simple metaphor for real life clothes (amongs other things).
Ending the show with ''clothes are bad'' would be retarded. It will end up with a compromise for self-acceptance and representation.
>That and the fact that she thinks people are pigs in human clothes
When Mako proved her wrong, she smiled.
>It wasn't part of any act, confirmed by the commentary for the episode
I don't believe that.
They won't ever have any sort of further clarification for it so you better deal with it.
She's not jumping towards anything that we know of for certain. She could be simply coming down on the platform again the same way Ryuuko did. Also the crowd or rubble could be anything.
>simple metaphor for real life clothes (amongs other things).
Wat...The reason humans lost their fur was because wearing cloth makes body-temperature regulation easier and we started walking upright
uh I wouldn't know that. I was only refering to todays society and the classification by clothing concept the show already introduced trough Satsuki.
>This woman is your friend, she fights for freedom
Since he's a Mankanshoku I'm sure him being loose will be played for laughs and not for anything serious.
He should run in to Nudist Beach and join them because he's naked or like you said(but unlikely) he should be saved by Satsuki. Those are the two funniest things that can happen, him being saved by Ryuuko is too obvious. I mean you expect her to do it, she's the moralfag MC. Someone can tease Satsuki about her "motherly instinct" or some shit, either that or have him drive the DTR.
In the beginning it worked, but now that they are alien parasites that foster evolution that metaphor is completely lost
Or she could be blasting off with the speed of light as per usual.
>I'll use this unstable, insane Kamui made of 100% Life Fiber to fight against the Queen of Life Fiber! What can go wrong?
Well, normally impalling her mother with a sword that can cut life fiber and throwing her in some gigantic spikes would surely kill someone, but she forgets that's she's no the MC and can't kill Ragyo because of that.
>I'll send the Elite Four to fight an enemy whose true power-level I'm unaware of and I myself can't defeat.
She used the data she got in Nui's fight with Ryuko to help with the Devas's uniforms, it was her best bet.
>I'll help my evil mother complete her plan, I won't betray her until the plot is complete and she has everything she needs to awaken COVERS
If she refused to do that, Ragyo would just dominate everything herself, that was her way to get Ragyo to believe in her and to get the perfect chance at assassinating her.
But in binding of Isaac a goat was killed as a sacrifice instead of Isaac. Its not like he was still "sacrificed but allowed to live" that would be dumb
>Thinly veiled KlK thread.
Op should have just sat in a KlK thread instead of being ironic and propagating the 'no-one-actually-pays-attention-to-op' paradigm.
>but she forgets that's she's no the MC and can't kill Ragyo because of that
That's such a daft statement though
But Abraham was ready and about to sacrifice him. It's all about intent. If you leave a man behind on the battlefield to die, you sacrificed him, doesn't matter that he might have gotten lucky and survived.
She could have let Isshin and Ryuuko do their thing; they're clearly going to save the day in the end.
She should have defected, together with the Deva and all the MK.II uniforms to Nudist Beach in Osaka
I can just imagine him trying to tell his family later, who have no recollection due to being cocooned for the entire thing.
>He tells the story to Sukuyo later
>"MOM SATSUKI-SAMA SAVED MY LIFE, SHE CARRIED ME TO SAFETY AND MY FACE WAS RIGHT BY HER HUGE SOFT TITS."
>That sounds like a nice dream, Mataro. I bet you were naked when it happened too.
>"I WAS, AND NO IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME?"
>"That's nice, honey."
>"SHE TOUCHED MY FUCKING WIENER! I SWEAR SHE TOUCHED MY WIENER!"
And then Mako would chime in with something stupid.
>"It's okay, Mataro! I believe you."
>"Yup. Sometimes I dream about Satsuki-sama too. In my dreams, she keeps smushing her boobs in my face yelling 'nonsense' and then I wake up all sticky."
It'd be the greatest day of his shota life.
>>I'll help my evil mother complete her plan, I won't betray her until the plot is complete and she has everything she needs to awaken COVERS
Yeah. Let's totally not make sure everything is prepared and just start rebelling against her without any kind of advantage. She obviously didn't know she was going to have the Cultural/Sports Festival this quick. She was surprised and obviously moved up her plans.
>>I'll use this unstable, insane Kamui made of 100% Life Fiber to fight against the Queen of Life Fiber!
"Insane" is an assumption. You have no idea what Junketsu is actually like. Also she has a sword that can cut life fibers. How else is she supposed to stop her mom? Magic?
>>I'll send the Elite Four to fight an enemy whose true power-level I'm unaware of and I myself can't defeat.
Except she made those new suits especially for fighting Nui and there is no indication that she can't defeat Nui. She's even gotten Nui to back down a few times from threats alone.
>I'll try to fight in my Kamui despite being aware that if the fight goes on for too long it will actually make shit worse for everyone else
Again. What else is she supposed to do? Give up her only advantage and shot to kill her mother? Stop being retarded.
>The character shouldn't do anything at all because she should act like she's watching the show
This is the stupidest thing ever.
What would stop Ragyo from sending Nui to fuck them both?
Ragyo had everything she needed to win.
Of course it is. It's b8.
At least, I hope it's b8. Nobody's that stupid... right?
>How else is she supposed to stop her mom? Magic?
Senketsu and the Scissor Sword.
>She's even gotten Nui to back down a few times from threats alone.
Nui was just joking, she hasn't even shown us her true power-level. Ragyou told her to wear her special clothes for a reason. We're going to see her style on the Devas for real now.
>Again. What else is she supposed to do?
Help Isshin, the greatest scientist.
>mfw satsuki will never EVER be the protagonist
>She's even gotten Nui to back down a few times from threats alone.
All that looked more like Nui humoring her because it's more fun that way and not being particularly afraid to be honest.
Her getting beaten easily by anyone would be a nice fuck you from Trigger tho.
I...I like the show but I would love to see this happen.
They will have the argument about necessary sacrifice, Ryuuko will of course tell Satsuki to fuck off and will try to save the people. Later though Ryuuko is fighting consumed Satsuki and it's impossible for her to take back control permanently, she'll gain it momentarily though and will beg Ryuuko to hit her with all that she has and to finally set her free from her mother, even though this freedom of course means death.
So Ryuuko will reject that sometimes sacrifices need to be made initially but will learn in that some extreme cases it actually is necessary.
Nice speculation, too bad it's not going to happen.
Just joking, it's horrible.
And then Satsuki will get ate and changed into a human/kamui monster, and Ragyo will go "Come, my daughter" and they'll go back to REVOCS.
>Help Isshin, the greatest scientist.
We don't actually know if she killed him for sure at least, since the whole point of that scene was to protect Ryuuko from herself. A lie there would be plausible. I'd like Satsuki to finally give an infodump to Ryuuko but I just have this feeling that Satsuki's not going to make it out of these next couple of episodes alive. Odds seem stacked against her as far as that is concerned.
It will "happen", except Ryuuko will say fuck it again and save Satsuki.
I mean what was even the point of him? You'd think he'd do something considering how many pages he took up. But no at the end he might as well not have existed. I assumed maybe that he would turn out to be Punpun's dad or something but no, nothing.
Sort-of sidestory. Punpun isn't only about punpun.
That's not going to happen but I laugh every time I imagine it:
>satsuki starts getting consumed by junketsu
>she knows what's about to happen so she just cuts it with her bakuzan
>suddenly, naked, out of trouble
Ryuuko needs to be in the show
Imagine funny man comedy without the straight man. There's just no one to bounce jokes off of.
If the show was just Satsuki being a god and right all the time with no intermission it would be tiring to watch
>Senketsu and the Scissor Sword.
Yes. Trust that the girl that's done nothing, but try to kill you to destroy your mother's empire that you've been trying to take down for years. Sure.
>Nui was just joking, she hasn't even shown us her true power-level. Ragyou told her to wear her special clothes for a reason. We're going to see her style on the Devas for real now.
And how would Satsuki possibly know that Nui is going to do that? She doesn't have that knowledge and that's also only a theory which hasn't been proven. She believes that the suits she made and the devas resolve should be enough to handle Nui and from her point of view she is totally correct and it makes perfect sense.
>Help Isshin, the greatest scientist.
We have no idea how much Satsuki knows about Isshin and NB. All we know that she knows is that they are rebels and that Isshin created Senketsu. Also if she rebelled before she got her army and her devas powered up she still would've been crushed. She has a plan and it's honestly a good one from what she knows.
>All that looked more like Nui humoring her because it's more fun that way and not being particularly afraid to be honest.
I'm just stating what the show has shown. I can't predict what she will do in the next episode or the future for sure.
Yes, and that's exactly what was shown.
I don't see any reason why Satsuki will live through these next few episodes, her death might as well teach Ryuuko a lesson. Satsuki is too frivolous with the "sacrifices have to be made" shit but sometimes it actually is needed.
Strategically it makes little sense for Satsuki to betray Ragyou at this moment.
If she defected during the Battlefield Trip she would have secured.
1. An army of improved One Starts
2. The MK.II Three Star uniforms
3. Ryuuko and her Kamui
4. Backing of the Takarada Conglomerate
5. Nudist Beach anti life-fiber technology
On the other hand what she has now is
2. 4 Deva
Her One-Star army is incapacitated, Nudist Beach is crippled, Ryuuko is not sympathetic to her goal, no financial backing. She has driven herself into a corner of her own volition
There's going to be a fight about sacrificing people to achieve goals for sure. They can't bring that up in Satsuki and Ryuuko's biggest battle and then just let it lie.
>trying to take down for years
more like assuring it's dominance to make a half-assed attempt at crushing it when it's at full power.
what exactly stopped satsuki from taking her sword to the bath, for example, and stabbing her mother through the tits there?
>Yes, and that's exactly what was shown.
What is also shown is that Satsuki made her back down and that she created the devas uniforms based on their fights with a Kamui and Nui, so according to her 4 of them should be able to handle Nui as far as she know.
She most probably will die.
But I atleast hope she dies fighting for what she believes in, not just as a moral dillema for Ryuko.
Don't forget the fact REVOCS is now stronger than ever.
Or it can reinforce it. Clothes literally defines the human species has it stands in Kill la Kill. It decided of its evolution and is still used has a classification method. I think its really fitting. The alien part is just fun explanation.
More like she decided to back down because it's more fun to see what happens and Satsuki isn't ready to get ate by Junketsu yet.
True, but everyone else has some connection to Punpun. But Pegasus doesn't even know who he is. They never even meet.
Why is everybody assuming stabbing Ragyou was Satsuki's only plan?
I mean holy shit, her devas her preparing for something. Iori too. She also needed Ryuuko and the Nudist Beach to be in the scene.
You really think Ragyo by herself isn't incredibly powerful?
She doesn't fucking shine for no reason.
Perhaps there was some reason that she needed Rags to start up life fiber instrumentality before she made her move? That's the only reason I could think of that she would have waited. Otherwise it really does seem like a big mistake.
So basically she'd have all those life fibers on her army which would then get magicked into eating the hosts by Ragyo
You're one brilliant strategist
Her incredible power somehow didn't work against a surprise attack. And you can pull that off at REVOCS HQ or in the bath, without getting people including Devas in harm's way and without letting her dominate the world already.
She's going to get consumed so it's pretty much impossible that she's not going to be killed fighting for what she believes in.
Either she comes out fine and is broken out of the consumption but is essentially pushed all the way down to irrelevant cheerleader status or she dies while she's consumed by Junketsu. If she really cares about being free from being used as a tool by her mother then death does that. Ryuuko killing Satsuki is letting Satsuki be free while teaching Ryuuko not to choke in important moments.
>more like assuring it's dominance to make a half-assed attempt at crushing it when it's at full power.
Yeah. A little girl with absolutely no power was just going to kill her mom and topple the empire that existed since possibly before she was born. We know it's pretty far along when she's 5.
>what exactly stopped satsuki from taking her sword to the bath, for example, and stabbing her mother through the tits there?
The fact that she didn't get at full power herself until just now. This isn't just about defeating her mom. It's about rebelling against life fibers controlling humans. She needed to build an army and power herself before she could.
>More like she decided to back down because it's more fun to see what happens and Satsuki isn't ready to get ate by Junketsu yet.
Again. According to Satsuki this is not the case. She thinks she has Nui with the devas new uniforms. She isn't a magic meta person that can watch the show and predict things that may or may not happen.
>Why is everybody assuming stabbing Ragyou was Satsuki's only plan?
>I mean holy shit, her devas her preparing for something. Iori too. She also needed Ryuuko and the Nudist Beach to be in the scene.
This. Can everybody just shut up about Satsuki's plan until we've seen it unfold? For fuck's sake, she *just* declared rebellion and you idiots are already jumping down her throat.
Let's just see how things play out before jumping to conclusions.
Who says they won't?
This. Satsuki clearly has her own plans for the futur of mankind.
One that Gamagoori said was 'pure (or something similar)' in ep 15.
did you miss her being completely fine next episode?
And using life fiber uniforms to fight life fibers makes sense... how?
We know Satsuki has more plans, but they're obviously going to get fucking destroyed.
>And using life fiber uniforms to fight life fibers makes sense... how?
That's been the whole plot of the show for the most part, you fucking retard.
Well if you think Ragyou can remote control Life-Fibers then her position now is even worse
Since her offensive power is compromised of 5 people in Life-Fiber clothing
its pretty much confirmed that mako is kill next episode
nah, next episode it'll be inu asking her what's the next step of her plan, and to this satsuki will pose and say "this was the plan."
makes perfect sense
But not until next episode.
You can see that Satsuki is still fine in the preview, even making a grin and shit.
Except Senketsu is made specifically to fight life fibers and is itself sentient. Senketsu himself pretty much decided not to eat Ryuko and not to be like all the other life fibers.
Can you seriously say that about all the goku uniforms?
She obviously has her own plans, but they're also obviously not going to work. She, the Ultima Uniforms and the Devas are virtually useless against Nui and Ragyou. The only person who stands a chance against either is Ryuuko. I do know Satsuki has no reason of seeing the ominous conversations Ragyou and Nui have about her so I'm not blaming her for it, but it's obvious that Satsuki's plans are all going to fail. Ragyou needs to awaken COVERS or the show won't get exciting.
The time for speeches is over, nigga. The empire is going to strike the fuck back, and Emperor Ragyou and Darth Nui are going to be on a rampage. I anticipate lots of suffering.
>inu asking her what's the next step of her plan
>"this was the plan."
I think she believes NB has no real power to bring, so they aren't important. The One-Stars all got new uniforms which are for something which may make them able to get out of the life fiber nonsense. Ryuuko is somewhat sympathetic to her goal at this point what with Ragyo trying to instrumentality everyone. She also hates Takarada and wouldn't be seen with pigs like him.
They will fight naked you heard it here first
Possibly. That doesn't mean her plan is stupid, and that doesn't mean she didn't save the people in the stadium. We'll just have to wait and see what's her next move.
No, by rules of storytelling Ragyou will win this time around. She needs to awaken COVERS so the story gets exciting. When the villain's plan is to awaken the ancient evil, he always succeeds.
No Satsuki is pretty much dead girl walking though.
She'll be irrelevant to the whole plot soon. The whole point of this arc is to show Ryuuko that she's the only one who can accomplish anything, Satsuki either becomes good but essentially a useless cheerleader or she gets killed.
I already said she probably will win by the end, but not until episode 20 or so.
She just has no way of knowing that Ragyou and Nui have been plotting to put her on the edge to let Junketsu take over because she isn't the audience and she doesn't see their ominous converations.
what does that have to do with mako
Fine, then she'll be the Vegeta.
>not wanting a glorious team up
>Can you seriously say that about all the goku uniforms?
We know new One-Star uniforms were made. We know that the Three-Stars didn't go into cocoons. It should be kinda obvious that they are using them as a weapon to defeat Ragyo and the original. It makes perfect sense since it's obvious they've been made like this on purpose. They are basically doing Isshin's work, but not making 100% fibers uniforms since most people can't handle them.
Oh she might play some small part in helping Ryuuko but Ryuuko will do the majority of the heavy lifting.
Then in the end Satsuki will get to lead, but since she learned how to be a better person she'll be a much better leader this time around. She has to rely on Ryuuko
I'd rather have her die.
>dying before the end
>every becoming a useless cheerleader
Next you'll tell me Lord Gerome and Viral were useless cheerleaders.
I want that.
Also DAT filename.
Or because the instrumentality field targetted only the audience.
Nah, episode 19.
18: Ragyou and Nui pretend to get beaten up by Satsuki's plot then they pull the rug from under her feet and watch Satsuki get emotionally crushed so Junketsu can take over.
19: Ryuuko versus JunketSatsuki; Ryuuko manages to save Satsuki but it's too late to stop Ragyou's plot, which was to use JunketSatsuki's energy to awaken COVERS
20: The final cooldown episode, with Ryuuko being the one who tells a depressed Satsuki to not be a whiny bitch.
21-24: the final arc
>I'd rather make the show actively worse
>Or because the instrumentality field targetted only the audience.
Possible. Still though the One-Stars got new uniforms and those are obviously there for something.
You're a monster
Yes, I would rather enjoy her last episode alive fighting a foe that couldn't possibly be beaten and then drop it than to have her co-op with MC who'll get the spotlight anyway.
They might team up but like I said, Ryuuko will do the majority of the heavy lifting. Satsuki is weaker than her and she might not even have Junketsu after this arc. How is she supposed to keep up without a kamui?
At this point having Satsuki die would improve the overall quality. She got fucking unbearable.
I hate seeing my favourite characters becoming shit, so she better die soon.
Don't insult Lord Genome and Viral by comparing them to Satsuki
Good thing you're not writing the script then, eh?
Did anyone complain when Viral joined Simon or something?
>shitting on viral
>shitting on satsuki
Goddamn KlK threads really are just shitposting generals.
Would you rather see her die in a blaze of glory or have to be a subordinate to Ryuuko? They're not equal anymore, that's the whole point of this arc.
Doubt Junketsu will dissapear that easily and even if he does Satsuki will pull up her badass nromals tatus to help, Bakusan is still an insanely powerfull weapon by itself. Satsuki is not weaker than Ryuuko by any means if anythign Ryuuko ahs spent allthe series catching up to Satsuki. Then both will finally be able to fight side by side (and against each other) as equals.
Viral was actually likable.
Is Junketsu a girl
Ryuko already surpassed her.
No, but Viral was cool, Satsuki sucks.
Except that would be terrible and really not what anybody, but you wants. The team up has always been predicted and always wanted because it'll be fun as fuck. There's no point in having her die. I'm glad you're shitty idea will never happen.
Fuck off with your shit taste. Her character hasn't become shit at all, retard.
Don't insult Satsuki comparing her to Viral and Lordgenome
>Goddamn KlK threads really are just shitposting generals.
People just shit on the bad character, do you see anybody complaining because of Gamagori, Sensei or Tsugumu?
She has spent the series catching up, but Ryuuko has surpassed her now.
The WHOLE POINT OF THIS ARC is to show that to Ryuuko. That Ryuuko is the only one strong enough to actually accomplish anything and that Satsuki can't do shit.
>Ryuko already surpassed her.
No she didn't.
I'd rather see them working alongside one another and eventually having a final clash just before fighting the final boss to decide humanity's destiny.
I'd then like Satsuki to lose gracefully, return home, and use Ryuuko's teachings to be a magnanimous leader of Japan because Ryuuko can't into politics.
You talking about unpopular opinions yet, here you are just yelling everyone's opinion is stupid.
>I'll send the Elite Four to fight an enemy whose true power-level I'm unaware of and I myself can't defeat.
Nah, Nui vs 4 Deva's snapshot is too obvious, that's just a tease.
What will happen is Monkey will probably tell the other Deva's to go off and help with the hell happening around them, taking Nui by himself.
>Sanageyama: "You guys go ahead, I have a score to settle."
>Inu: "Hah, I knew you'd say that. Fine, I planned on playing recon anyway.
>Nonon: "Looks like the Monkey's got his toy all to himself."
>Gamagoori: "Hmm, of course. He must restore his honor before he feels he can face Matoi once more."
>The 3 of them jump off and spread out across the school.
>Nui smiles and comments "How boring, a party is always better with more people you know?"
> Sanageyama replies "Ah, but that's where you're wrong."
>He takes a stance
>"There is going to be 3 more people attending with us."
>Nui replies "Oh, how wonderful! And who might they be?"
>[Electric Shamisen Intensifies]
Yes, it has.
Yes, she did. She fought her head on and didn't lose, and next time there won't be a comfy chopper to run to when Satsuki reaches her limit.
The problem with the team-up is power-creep. Ryuuko has no time-limit, Senketsu is constantly evolving, she has super-special Life Fiber resistance and you can be sure that Senketsu will eat a fuckton of Life Fiber this arc. It wouldn't be a team-up, it would be Satsuki jobbing to the villain so Ryuuko shows off how strong she got.
Except she isn't shit and has more development than any of those characters. Stop being retarded. You're just as retarded as OP.
Negro Lordgenome was fighting the Anti-Spiral since he was 10 years old, Satsuki was molested by her mother and threw a tantrum
That's a fucking cake.
Go away with your fanfics.
>I hate seeing my favourite characters becoming shit
Are you talking about Satsuki or... what? Because we finally getting to know things about her character, she's getting better not worse.
Them shit opinions
Ryuko didn't surpass her as a fighter at all.
Ryuko just flying around in jet form would never beat Satsuki.
And now the Monkeyfag writefag is here.
Do you see what you've done?
Tricking her oponent into a draw hardly seems like "surpassing" to me. If anything that signifies Ryuuko is finally able to give Satsuki a good match. Seh was still against the ropes most of their fight in Osaka. Even Senketsu told her it willbe a dangerous bet.
In fact is what i likethe most about Ryuuko, instead of being an overpowered mary sue she's always fighting the tough fight. She most of the time start at disadvantage and is almost clear if she's stronger than her foes. She gets the upper hand trough a combination of guts, thinkering and mere luck.
They are going to team up to achieve a comon goal until final conflict of interest. Ryuuko won't be the MC all by herself anymore.
Ryuuko and Senketsu can evolve and asspull new powers as they're needed.
Ryuuko and Senketsu have no time-limit.
Ryuuko is an special super-human with unnatural resistance to Life Fiber.
The power-creep is slowly catching up to Satsuki.
Nigger she's getting more and more unlikable and boring every episode.
Ryuuko is just an idiot, all she would have to do is take out Nonon first then fly around until Satsuki passes out due to blood-loss
Ryuuko is normal human. Senketsu is special.
Could've just said Ryuko is MC and gone home.
Ryuko as every single MC ever gets stronger every time she fights. Satsuki doesn't at all. She's not going anywhere but down now.
But that's wrong. I don't understand, did you want her to keep being female hitler?
There can't be an actual proper teamup, it's literally fucking impossible unless Trigger pulls something out of their ass and has Junketsu synchronize with Satsuki even after all the mistreatment.
You either have her dying or being overall useless to Ryuuko aside from doing some very small task for her while Ryuuko wrecks shit, the teamup wouldn't be both of them working together at equal strength it would be Satsuki being weak as shit and Ryuuko being strong as shit showing just how powerful Ryuuko has gotten and how much she has actually surpassed Satsuki
So would Satsukifags rather see her die or exist only as a device to make Ryuuko look cool? Those are your only options here.
Most people don't hate Satsuki. Most people think the team up will happen. Most people aren't retarded to think otherwise.
No it hasn't.
>She fought her head on and didn't lose
This in no way says "surpassed". It was a draw. Really it was a lot of Ryuuko getting lucky and Senketsu making her not die.
I'm glad you know the future. There are other people for Satsuki to fight and it's very possible that her and Ryuuko will both be fighting Ragyo at the same time by the end because neither can do it alone. The whole show has had friendship as a big theme and I think that will continue to the end.
No, she has super-special Life Fiber resistance. They said so in episode 16.
>more development than Satsuki
You might as well say no one has development. And then stop watching the show.
Well, that's what's happening
Satsuki had her badass moment, but now she's going to job to Ragyo and either die or become a cheerleader for Ryuuko like Nudist Beach.
Ryuuko will fight the real final boss all by herself and you know it. Satsuki will heroically kill Ragyou in episode 23.
I wanted her not to slowly crawl towards Team Rocket tier.
What the fuck are you even on about?
This. This way they both get their chance to shine.
Can you stop shitposting now?
Satsuki is positively unfriendable.
This dosnt imply being a super human. Shes just more resistant than most.
It literally does not make any fucking sense for her to kill Ragyo, where is she getting this power up from?
The fact that she's got far enough, and is ripe to fall so the show keeps it's inertia.
That's funny, are you forgetting Satsuki has more friends than Ryuuko?
I know the feel anon. But Satsuki is not like other pansies who got hit with Badass Decay (pic very related). Intead of becoming pathetic or taking an eterinity to get a shot at claiming theirbadass credentials back Satsuki withstood a big blow to her credibility and in the span of a week jumped back to be a Badass with aglorious blast of vengeance. That moment ofher impalling Ragyo was very rewarding and satisfying.
As long as Satsuki keeps her determination to keep rising up it won't matter how many times she fall because i'll rest assured she'll return harder everytime.
Pic related should learn something from Satsuki-sama. It still hurts her character got ruined forever.
>Ryuuko will fight the real final boss all by herself and you know it.
No. I don't. Maybe it's because I don't have magic future seeing powers. I fully expect it to end like TTGL with both of them fighting the end boss. Ryuuko will get last hit, but I think Satsuki will for sure be there and helping out.
She's not. She'll lose now and lose Junketsu.
Man I wish it was thrusday so all of you faggots would shut the fuck up for a second and then start trolling with your newest theory of why Satsuki is shit such is life. even when she's doing good people hate her
You're a boring person.
It's obvious that the show will lead to a final clash between both of them. Plus Satsuki hasnt reached her final objectives.
A grand total of one: Nonon.
Rest are just followers.
Keep telling yourself that. But when the series ends and Ryuuko and Satsuki are still equally matched rivals don't start a bitchfit please.
One of which is a retarded girl and the other is her clothes that only she can hear and might as well be imaginary to everybody else.
>Plus Satsuki hasnt reached her final objectives.
and she won't because it's impossible for her to do so, she's took weak. The whole point of this arc is to show Ryuuko that only SHE can accomplish something in this show.
Satsuki is irrelevant, deal with it.
And she never will. To further stress that Ryuko and Senketsu are the chosen ones.
I'm sure Satsuki's willpower and pride will be shattered when she realize she's a complete slave to the power Junketsu provide her.
And then she'll get eaten or critically wounded.
It won't happen to Ryuuko because Senketsu are actually synchronized. They can talk to each others. Senketsu isn't some "regular" life fiber, he's been fabricated that way and that's what will save them both from certain death. THE POWER OF FREEDOM!
If you aren't counting the Mankanshoku house hold, Sensei and Tsugumu then I ain't counting Inu or Uzu
Not only Satsuki. I bet every surviving character will join the final fight.
>Satsuki had her badass moment, but now she's going to job to Ragyo and either die or become a cheerleader for Ryuuko like Nudist Beach.
Yeah. I'm sure you work for Trigger. I'm sure that Tsugumu got a life fiber blade for no reason. I'm sure that it isn't obvious as fuck Satsuki and Ryuuko are both the main characters of the show. It pretty much says so right in the new OP.
>mfw Satsuki will hold the other half of the scissor blade and then gattai with Ryuuko in the final battle
YES SO IT CAN BE TTGL AGAIN YAY
Every fucking thread.
Please stop, you'll only make Uzu's next loss sting more.
It's because Tsumugu will be fighting Rei, the REVOCS version of Tsumugu.
>I'm sure that it isn't obvious as fuck Satsuki and Ryuuko are both the main characters of the show
She isn't, Ryuuko is the MC alone. You don't understand the point of this arc right now, Satsuki has to fail and become irrelevant.
>If you aren't counting the Mankanshoku house hold
They aren't friends. They are family. DIFFERENCE
Sensei and Tsugumu really don't care about her. Except Tsugumu is also family.
Inu and Uzu both count and I didn't even count Sorei and Iori for Satsuki. So if we count everybody, but Sensei and Tsugumu then they both have 6. Equal friends.
Possible. Maybe she loses Bakusan on the way and After Killing Nui Ryuuko finds herself unable to use both halfs of the scizor by herselfso it will be Satsuki the one wielding the other half in order to defeatthe original life fiber togheter.
Nah, not irrelevant. She'll be Vegeta to Ryuko's Goku.
The first ending credits are the final episode.
That'd be corny as shit.
>Family doesn't count
>But two manservant's do
All that Ryuuko stuff and chosen one sounds depressingly boring.
Vegeta never really accomplished a damn thing and he was always one step behind Goku.
Why would that happen? Nui is Ryuuko's destined enemy, she will get the second scissor sword after defeating Nui and then beat the final boss by herself.
>You don't understand the point of this arc right now, Satsuki has to fail and become irrelevant.
I'm not saying she isn't going to fail. She does not have to become irrelevant though at all. See >>101802369
Which could totally work. The point of this arc isn't to show that Satsuki is useless. It's to show that she's useless on her own. She relies too much on herself and not enough on others. She is not going to become irrelevant. Like I said the OP pretty much proves you wrong. See >>101802270
>>implying Ryuuko wont go "HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO UR OWN MOTHER?1?!?!??!" and side with Ragyo for atleast the next episode
This is for all of you faggots:
>Sacrifice a stadium full of people
>To save the other 6 billion people on Earth
I'd say the ends fucking justify the means right here.
She's still going to be weaker than Ryuko, and only thing that's left for her is to job to new enemies and make Ryuko shine.
What sounds better? Satsuki gets a badass final battle with Ragyou in the final episode; she kills her mother in order to let Ryuuko get to whoever the final boss is. Ryuuko fights the final boss one on one.
Satsuki gets Viral'd and her role amounts to throwing Ryuuko to the final boss so they can have a mano-a-mano like in Gurren-Lagann.
What's your problem with corny? I like corny.
Superman is corny as shit and nobody ever have a problem with that.
>>Family doesn't count
Family is family.
>But two manservant's do
He's one of her main crew and son(close to her age) of her longest living friend. Sorei does count because he was probably her biggest friend besides Nonon until she got her crew together.
Yeah except it won't work.
Being weaker doesn't mean being irrelevant. In Lagann-hen, Simon was stronger than anyone else but they still let even Nia and Yoko do shit.
repeat after me:
THIS IS NOT GURREN LAGANN
It's impossible for her to match Ryuuko in strength.
If she survives she's only a device to make Ryuuko look good, she's going to make Satsuki look like shit if they teamup.
If you want to preserve your memory of her it would be better if she was just killed rather than to continuously job to Ryuuko
Also to save Ryuuko in the nick of time when final boss is slapping her shit.
Then boost the final hit with her power to allow Ryuuko to get trough the final boss.
Also i don't remember Vegeter ever being fleshed out so prominently in any DBZ opening, unlike Satsuki who is matching Ryuuko scene by scene.
>being weaker means being irrelevant
Kittan was much weaker than Simon and he still saved the day in episode 25.
>Sacrifice 5000000 trillion lives to save the universe
I like your way of thinking
Obviously the first one.
If I wanted another TTGL I would just watch it all over again.
Except that isn't confirmed ANYWHERE. The new OP proves my theory more than yours and the fact that Satsuki has always been like a second main character. She doesn't have to be as strong to be relevant and actually be fighting.
Ryuuko is the very first person we see in the OP. The camrea closes up to Ryuuko as it gets to Earth.
OP's never fucking matter at all, you should know it by now.
OP's don't really matter. People should stop trying to take anything from them.
Which is exactly why I say it will go this way:
23: Satsuki versus Ragyou
24: Ryuuko versus COVERS
>It's impossible for her to match Ryuuko in strength.
Except that's exactly what happened in their last fight. The rest of your shit is just bullshit based in nothing.
Yeah, from SATSUKI's satellite. Checkmate.
>Something that's in the show is less valid than random bullshit I KNOW BECAUSE I WORK FOR TRIGGER IN THE FUTURE
Stop being mentally retarded.
>Except that's exactly what happened in their last fight
Ryuuko is getting stronger, Satsuki is stuck.
She literally cannot match Ryuuko in strength, this is confirmed.
His point is that Ryuuko is power creeping Satsuki. Satsuki is the exact same spot she was on episode 3, Ryuuko isn't. It was over the moment they revealed Senketsu can asspull EVOLUTION in episode 9.
One day you will understand that "ends justify the means" and "greater good" are just excuses people use to justify the most heinous crimes in history
There's no other reason for this arc to happen
>Satsuki loses, probably loses Junketsu
>Teaches Ryuuko that only she can accomplish anything
>Satsuki either dies or becomes "good" but overall useless to the overall plot of the show.
Ryuuko can't match Satsuki in skill and ferocity either. Your point?
Confirmed by who? You? Don't make me laugh.
They should have waited a bit more to reveal Senketsu can asspull evolutions; now I'm sure that's what Ryuuko and Senketsu will do to salvage the day in this arc.
>MC is the very first person we see in the OP
>thus everyone else is irrelevant
Are you fucking retarded? And going with the DB simile, Goku was the first in Z OP1.
This arc is the end, it's not teaching anything or any shit.
It will all be over.
The show. Satsuki is on the exact same spot she was on episode 3. Ryuuko isn't and they explicitly told us that Senketsu can keep evolving. You think it will end on Wolverine and Jet?
>She literally cannot match Ryuuko in strength, this is confirmed.
Yeah in your mind because you know everything that is going to happen in the show. Last time I checked we've never seen Satsuki absorb any life fibers because she's never really fought anybody, but Ryuuko. We have no idea what is going to be happening in the upcoming episodes.
>It was over the moment they revealed Senketsu can asspull EVOLUTION in episode 9.
Did you forget when Satsuki used Junketsu in a similar fashion in their draw?
The only way Satsuki can keep up is if Trigger pulls synchronization with Junketsu out of their ass but that would be so so dumb if they did that and would undermine Ryuuko and Senketsu immensely, they don't want to do that.
What about Hooketsu, the drill and her Getsuga Tensho?
There was no new name, it's not an evolution. Shippu and Senjin are new forms and Ryuuko is going to be getting a fuckton of them in the final arc like Gurren-Lagann did.
>Did you forget when Satsuki used Junketsu in a similar fashion in their draw?
Morphing a drill vs morphing an entire suit into a spaceship, big fucking flyswatter or chainsaws.
>Confirmed by who?
Satsuki is stuck where she is, Ryuuko can keep getting stronger because she can adapt. That was the whole fucking point of Episode 15.
Trigger is not going to pull something out of their ass to keep a side character up to speed with Ryuuko, it makes absolutely no sense.
Dude, she explicity states while with Nudist Beach and Mako that she's going to the stadium so she can save the Mankanshoku family. She says something along the lines of "hell no, that's not gonna happen" in response to the plans and then says hows she's basically gonna fuck shit up to make sure their safe.
>There's no other reason for this arc to happen
You're an idiot. It's showing Satsuki is human and not a bad person. It's showing that she relies too much on herself and not enough on others. Her losing does not mean she either has to die or become irrelevant. That's just you being retarded and not being able to think outside your own box. There are a number of ways this could pan out, but you can't accept any of the other thoughts that are a lot better and make more sense.
That's the same as Senketsu's BIG EYE or using his pieces to cover Sanageyama's eyes. It's not an evolution. Senjin and Shippu are evolutions because they have unique new names. And they aren't the end of Ryuuko's growth.
Everything Senketsu can do Junketsu can do it equally as good. The difference is Satsuki has just started exploring that ability after seeing Ryuuko doing the same against the Devas.
>You're an idiot. It's showing Satsuki is human and not a bad person.
No, because Satsuki isn't the MC.
He's one of the most popular Mythos deities.
The ultimate end of all science scientist in the KLK-verse created Senketsu after 17 years of research, sacrificing his wife and giving up a relationship with his daughter. Junketsu can't be the same.
Why that would undermine Ryuuko and Senketsu? The idea the MC is not the single most powerfull entity on the show hurts you so much?
Also Trigger specifically called Satsuki a bad person, so yeah this arc certainly isn't trying to dispute that.
>if you're not the MC you can't have development
>if you're not the MC you can't be relevant
>still doesn't get that Satsuki is a secondary MC
You've been b8 all along haven't you? We're done here.
No, it's the fact that Isshin and Kinue both basically gave up everything to make Senketsu possible. Giving Satsuki the same "just because" after so much build up for Senketsu, who is specifically called a taboo bu Nui, would be cheap.
Their synchronisation is what makes them special, and it's also why they can pull off the crazy transformations.
>Why that would undermine Ryuuko and Senketsu?
because they worked hard to get where they are and they've always loved eachother. Isshin worked hard and didn't spend any time with his daughter just so he can create him for Ryuuko.
Satsuki is a complete bitch to Junketsu because of her daddy issues yet he gives her all because Satsuki has to stay relevant power level wise to Ryuuko? Sorry, not happening.
>a lot closer to Shippu and Senjin in complexity and nature than to the examples you gave
>IT'S NOT THE SAME CUZ SHE WASN'T CALLING AN ATTACK
Jesus Christ, I bet you think HnK is the best shonen ever. Oh, right, Ken didn't actually say Musou Tensei Mk. II, so it was the same attack. Dumbass.
Ohhhh! They're unique because they have naaaames... next time Satsuki morphs Junketsu she should shout made-on-the-fly names as well to make those unique as well.
>One day you will understand that "ends justify the means" and "greater good" are just excuses people use to justify the most heinous crimes in history
Let's break it down:
>Unfortunately, sacrifice the stadium people
>Chance to save the entirety of humanity
>Don't sacrifice the stadium people
>Humanity gets eaten
>Stadium people die anyway
It's a shit situation man, but that's how it is.
Seeing how SMTxFE will be set in Tokyo, do you guys think will get the Law, Chaos and Neutral paths?
>>still doesn't get that Satsuki is a secondary MC
She isn't though.
Satsuki is just a step towards Ryuko's full growth.
WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THE STADIUM PEOPLE DIED
Next episode is going to show you they're all alive and dandy. Cap this if you want, I'm sure I'm right.
Why is Kinagase so moe?
She is. Satsuki is the third most important character in the story:
Ryuuko and Senektsu
Why DOES Satsuki know Mako's name?
>She isn't though.
I just ignore everything saying otherwise
>implying Ryuuko and Mako and FRIENDSHIP won't help Satsuki towards her full growth
>implying we can't have both
She is not the MC.
Episode 7, Mako has shit memory.
Because she's best.
No, but seriously, I guess she likes her for proving her people aren't pigs in human clothing.
Mate, I reckon you are right.
Think about it.
I reckon those people will die eventually obviously, but I reckon they ain't dead yet, there's still time to get them out. Satsuki & Ryuko just gotta hurry that's all.
She saw Gama wearing Pajamas
>She is not the MC.
She is the secondary MC though you fucking retard.
Junketsu was specifically called Satsuki's "Wedding Dress" by her misterious father who is still in shadows. Do you really think there's nothing remotely misterious about Junketsu's origin and it's relation to Satsuki? Don't judge her by Ryuuko's standards you clothed pig.
The only characters more important than Satsuki are Ryuuko and Senketsu. She is Kill la Kill's Seto Kaiba. Ryuuko and Senketsu are Yugi and Yami.
Why wouldn't she? She attended meetings with Mako during the Fight Club episode.
Mako just doesn't remember I guess.
Senketsu was finished 6 months before the show started as the ultimate work of the greatest scientist mankind has ever known. Junketsu was created at least 15 years before the show started. They aren't the same.
I would follow those eyebrows to hell and back.
>yfw Kaiba was also a plotter that killed his father
IT ALL MAKES SENSE
Isshin died trying to make soemthing as possibly as good as the real deal. They're definetely not the same. Junketsu is superior.
No, because it's not a Satsuki show. And to side with Ryuko and Mako, she'd need to disregard most of her ideals.
Other than Ryuuko and Senketsu, what character in the show has more relevance than Satsuki? Yeah, Ryuuko is the protagonist... but Satsuki is the deutertagonist.
Yes and there is nothing that proves me wrong and nothing proving you right. Satsuki has the second most screentime. She's the second most important character.
Isshin made something to defeat Junketsu and other life fibers.
The real deal would actually make Junketsu worse for Satsuki, it would be a purebred Kamui directly connected to the Primordial Life Fiber.
Come to think of it, isn't being naked and not captured by Life Fibers exactly what Nudist Beach stands for? He's like their perfect poster boy.
But she's not the secondary MC and she's going to die within the next couple of episodes.
There's no other alternative that wouldn't completely ruin her character anyways.
So either she actually dies or they turn Satsuki in to a glorified cheerleader for Ryuuko while Ryuuko does all the cool shit, meaning her character dies.
>No, because it's not a Satsuki show.
Because anybody, but the main character can change and have growth? Are you fucking thick?
>And to side with Ryuko and Mako, she'd need to disregard most of her ideals.
She's already obviously taken a liking to Ryuuko and Mako and this has been shown several times. FRIENDSHIP will make her see that some of her ideals are misplaced.
When is this from?
Disregard is too strong of a word. I think Satsuki will reconder and rework on her ideals. She's essentially right in several thigns, it's just the execution of those idelas what she needs to work on.
I bet Satsuki will keep being a powerfull leader after the series ends. I just wonder what will be of Ryuuko. Id like to think there will be lots of work to do to clean the mess afterwards. Satsuki will be too busy with bussiness and politics so it will be up to Ryuuko the remaning devas and the New Honnouji alliance to keep fighting the good fight so one day the world will be free for real.
She will fight the midboss while Ryuuko fights the final boss.
Mataro will join NB and train under Tsumugu.
>There's no other alternative that wouldn't completely ruin her character anyways.
>I can't come up with any good ideas to make characters relevant and good, so just kill them off
Glad you aren't writing the show.
Mako is not more important than Satsuki.
Senketsu and Ryuuko are the same entity. They live as one. They fight as one. They are one.
"Reconsidering" her ideals or changing her way means her character dies. There's nothing else in her.
Satsuki VS. Final Form Ragyo
Ryuuko VS. Nui/Original Life Fiber
Everyone else VS. Rei
>Character develops and changes means the character dies
Never write anything. Also a lot of her ideals both Ryuuko and Mako are in line with. They just don't agree with Satsuki's ideals.
It's better for Ryuuko's character if Satsuki lives and admits she was wrong. It means Ryuuko accomplished something. If Satsuki just dies then Ryuuko failed.
>They live as one.
Senketsu confirmed for John Lennon.
Satsuki's only friend is her butler and he's more of a father figure. The Elite Four are her droogs but the relationship is entirely master-servant, not friend-friend.
Which sounds fucking great. But of course that could never happen because Satsuki either has to die or become a cheerleader and only Ryuuko matters.
She doesn't "develop". After she gets proven wrong and changes to fit with Ryuko bunch, she ceases to exist as Satsuki. She'd only look the same.
Yeah, I keep having to remind myself that this can't be the finale.
I mean come on, it's episode 18? out of 24 right?
So unless this fight is gonna go for 6 episodes, aka 3 hours, it's not the finale you know?
I hate to say it but I reckon that this fight will end with Satsuki's defeat, leaving Ryuko to sort things out in a grand finale.
>Nui ahead of Ragyo
I'm going to laugh when this character isn't anywhere near as relevant as /a/ thinks she is. Ryuuko will beat her but not before Ragyo.
>She doesn't "develop". After she gets proven wrong and changes to fit with Ryuko bunch, she ceases to exist as Satsuki. She'd only look the same.
Again. Never write anything ever. You'd be terrible at it.
They fail now and then try again. See:
Lol what? Do you seriously believe what you just wrote?
A character who reconsider or change its ideals or the way it have been leading its life means it dies ....ooookaaaay....
Find me a way to make her compel to Ryuko's way of doing things, and still stay the same Satsuki.
Not before Nui kills Ira ;_;
Not after Ragyo, sorry.
I don't think they're going to imply that Nui is that far ahead.
Nui defeated by Ryuuko in 22
Satsuki defeats her mother in 23
Final battle with Ryuuko alone 24
Nui might be before 22 even but I highly doubt that she's going to die after Ragyo and that Trigger is implying she's stronger than her.
She's extreme in her beliefs. Her beliefs, nurtured since she was a cute little loli, are all that she is. There's literally nothing more in her.
If you change that, you destroy her as a character and subvert her into someone entirely different.
How won't her plans failing now and getting almost killed by Junketsu change her ideals? If Ryuuko brings her back from depression in episode 20 it could work great.
What >>101805120 says
Ragyo will win/escape this rebellion attempt but and after Satsuki gets freed of her obsession by Ryuuko and Senketsu she'll clear her mind and help Ryuuko, then durign the final battle when ragyo appears Satsuki will tell Ryuuko to go ahead saying something like "i have a score to settle" or something like that and Ryuuko will left her behind to fight Ragyo.
The circle of hate between Ragyo and Satsuki doesn't have anything to do with Ryuuko i'm must be settled by Satsuki.
I can't believe people still respond to your bait. Can you please get a name so I could block your ass?
You're in every klk thread every fucking day, shitting up worthless posts.
She definitely isn't going to put up much resistance if she does compel, pic related.
Some little shithead she has been babysitting through the whole anime trying to give her a speech would only make her kill herself.
>Please tell me ways that the character can do things and stay static
Why does she have to stay the same Satsuki? Why can't she change? Why is this not allowed? Most characters change and evolve and develop. She doesn't hate Ryuuko and Mako and we've already seen that. If anything she's done nothing, but make Ryuuko better. Her ideals have everything to do with relying on yourself and those things can easily change through friendship. Characters don't have to be the same forever in order to still be the character. It's stupid to think otherwise which is why I was saying you should never write anything.
>If you change that, you destroy her as a character and subvert her into someone entirely different.
>If a character gets development and changes they are totally different and everything is RUINED
Ikkiwas extreme in his beliefs. His beliefs, nurtured since he was a cute little shota, were all that he was. There was literally nothing more in him.
Saiya changed that and Ikki turned into the most badass character of the show with renewed resolve and the drive to do things right this time. Ican't see why Satsuki wouldn't be abel to do that.
Same thing with Viral. He hated humans with a passion probably ever since he was a child, but he learned to respect them. I really can't believe that guy is retarded enough to think that if a character changes that they just aren't that character at all anymore and they might as well be dead. It's like I'm talking with a retarded 9 year old that can't accept change.
Satsuki is INCREDIBLY fucking emotionally stunted due to her upbringing.
She fucking frowns 24/7, that can't only be entirely due her trying to be intimidating, can it? She's probably genuinely not happy, she could be friends with the Devas if she know how to act properly around people other than shouting at them and trying to scare them.
I don't care if you think her not being such a grumpy bitch all the time and her actually getting some genuine friends(something she really does not have) ruins her character, I somehow ended up liking her character anyways and would like her to be happy. It would be such a shame if Trigger turned her in to a tragic character who can never be truly happy or to learn how to be happy and is just killed attempting to free herself from the life she seems to hate so much.
I swear I will start throwing shit harder than I've even thrown shit. My room will be a mess and I will be crying in the corner for a week.
There is one person who is undoncditional to Satsuki and who Satsuki is also confident and sicnere with.
This old man named Soroi. If something ever happens to him it will be an extremely deep blow to Satsuki's heart. He's more or less a foster father figure to her.
>has other scissor
She's pretty important. We all know one of two things is gonna happen with the other scissor. Either Ryuuko gets it and fights with the proper Rending Scissors or Satsuki gets it and it's the best team up ever.The finishing move on the boss will be them combining and yelling the name of move together and slicing right thorugh.
If he dies I'm gonna be sad. He's such a nice guy and Satsuki loves him so much.
I'm not saying she's meaningless, I'm just saying I don't think she'll be in the final episode with the last enemy for Ryuuko to fight.
Ryuuko fights her and avenges her father to tie up that storyline for good BEFORE she goes to do what she needs to do in the finale, not during it.
>Oooh! I wonder if he's at least enjoying that in the afterlife.
That tea scene between them was beautiful. It was nice to see Satsuki in a genuinely kind light.
I seriously hope he doesn't die.
Just pray Nui can't use super puppets and stuffed Soroi's body in one for blood and that's what's up on the cross
That spoiler would be magnificent because it means yuri confirmed without being confirmed. Best of both worlds.
It seems to really take a lot for Satsuki to get comfortable with someone and she probably tries to keep up appearances in front of a lot of people too.
I also hope Soroi lives and Satsuki learns to be more comfortable with more than just him
OH Ok. Yeah I think that will happen too. It'll either be in the next 2 or the second to last episode where she finally gets deded. Except she never was dead and is the villain of the OVA"Oh Satsuki. You didn't really think it would be that easy did you!"
>Just pray Nui can't use super puppets and stuffed Soroi's body in one for blood and that's what's up on the cross
Can't wait to used this for that scene.
>Just pray Nui can't use super puppets and stuffed Soroi's body in one for blood and that's what's up on the cross
Soroi, like any good butler, thinks only of the welfare of his master. I wonder if he's going to be betrayed and murdered by Hitler-kun.