What is the worst art you have ever seen in a manga?
I mean art that is truly shit and cannot be defended
You post something first.
Code gayss. Cmon this thing look like some weird yaoi shit, this is just terrible.
And I mean something like this (even though /co/ defends it)
Old yaoi djs that I will not talk about
There exists some really weird shoujo manga, where the heads are really small
This episode in NHK
only one facial expression
There might be worse, but the first thing that came to my mind is Higurashi, the level of QUALITY there is just insane.
It doesn't help that the series is such a piece of shit One of the worst I've ever seen.
I dislike the cockroach-looking haircuts and dead eyes of Key girls as well.
You can't be serious
Welcome to CLAMP.
this is not real
You must hate Jojo.
What is it with whales and giant mouths?
During my 3 year stay in Japan I went to see the book store.
There was a manga which had literally every panel with shitty 3D assests traced on top of it. That shit was uglier than Gantz and the more confusing part was the fact that it had 20 volumes released already.
One punch man. It was so bad they got someone else to redraw it.
Google it, faggot.
gantz is amazing, fuck off
Don't like yaoihands, anon?
It's called Dog Catalog
OP didn't ask for the funniest.
no, this just CANNOT be real
I mean, HOW could it possibly real? did the artist just get tired of drawing and said fuck it?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THOSE HANDS
its not really good from an artistic standpoint, but how can you not love his artstyle?
What yaoi hands? His hand is the same size as his face, like yours.
He draws better than Tezuka at least.
Oh god this is great.
Jojo's manga art is disgusting to me.
How do you go from pic related to this..
I mean even his layouts used to be interesting. What happened?
early stardust crusaders
early diamond is unbreakable
Uh, no, the uke's hands are about the size of the seme's face.
Seme's hands are almost twice the length of his face, and 3-4 times the length of the uke's face.
He's at over 300 chapters now or something, I'd be tired too.
>Not knowing Togashi
It's exactly what you said. Oddly enough, I like it. I don't know why...
Fuck you, ARISE MY MASTERS belongs in a museum.
I've hated one piece since the first day I saw it
There were 3 or so that were like that.
There's this turd in every issue of wsj called "one piece." It's apparently a fruit commercial or something. I don't know if anyone's heard of it, but the artwork is fucking awful.
Attacked By Titus before it was completely drawn by magical assistants is remarkably similar to a chimpanzee dragging shit across paper.
Also see every shoujo manga ever.
attack on titan has amazing art
>b-b-but I don't like it ;w;
it's the artist's unique artstyle, the fact that it's unique already makes it stand out and that makes it good
>There's this turd in every issue of wsj called "one piece." It's apparently a fruit commercial or something. I don't know if anyone's heard of it, but the artwork is fucking awful.
Anon you don't seem to understand the difference between not liking a style and something having bad art.
started out pretty mediocre but then it became amazing.
Your pic related is not stellar at all. It's below average actually.
but the art in one piss is absolutely disgusting
But, that's like, your opinion, man
It's fucking MONTHLY
Nah, the art is shit and you're just a blind fanboy.
What a profound statement. Might I suggest you faggots banter about subjectivity in the dumpster your mothers left you in?
How do you prefer your sports animu?
The more realistic ones like Major and Giant Killing.
Or the better turn my brain off for them finishing moves like Inazuma Eleven and Eyeshield 21.
Anon, do you need to take that Arthur Facts vs Opinions quiz again?
I posted the wrong pic and now I can't be assed going and finding the one I was looking for.
I'm sure you think all Japs have sameface too.
In my (his) defense, there are manga that totally looks like that since the first chapter and always will be.
Art is not everything but unless you can write god tier script like Cromartie you better learn how to draw. Cromartie even mess up basic proportion every now and then. But this is my answer to OP question, it's still relatively good.
ARR ROOK SAME
Hang on! Are you saying this is bad?
what chapter is this ?
this is great, just different
webtoon art. pigdisgusting, impure, horrible, defiling.
different does equal good in /co/, at least
Literally poor-quality bait.
When genetic engineering becomes routine they'll all ostracize each other into having same face. We're just from the future.
>Hating on based Matsumoto
No seriously, fuck you.
I know that one.Gantz's author draw that before Gantz. Gantz is my favourite but the manga you mention is really shit and those 3D panels were just a gamecaps.
It's one of the last chapters of Greed Island, duh.
I can't remember if this was retouched in the tankoubon version or not, but it can't be too much of an improvement at any rate.
I swear to fucking god, the author didn't even any form of progress at all after all these years.
Aku no Hana or whatever that rotoscope atrocity was called.
>going full pleb
lol lol lol that one got me.
It's awful. Can barely even tell what's going on in that page.
Nah the art was till good, it just didn't fit the setting.
/co/ is fucking dumb
Soul Eater 1.
Upotte. At least the early chapters were enough for me not to be able to read it.
>Not rub-a-dub dub thanks for the grub.
We are talking about manga you retard.Aku no Hana's manga art is excellent.
/co/ are called /co/cksuckers for a reason
well, /co/mrades are defending this shit
so you might be right
Well i know that.
I haven't seen horrible manga art, but Hunter x Hunter's art is pretty bad.
I agree. And the lengths some people go to defending Oda when his art can be REALLY incomprehensible can be annoying.
But I just can't hate One Piece or him. He dose have a good imagination at the very lest.
So this one is just a sketch?
Why did chicken get worse?
Jesus christ, I don't remember it being that awful.
I wonder how much time it usually take to make the crowd in the first panel
The first one was published as you see it in the magazine. Second is the tankoubon version (the hard/paper cover volume)
Yes, but it was actually printed and never corrected.
Too much detail, it was corrected.
Well, yeah, except those half-finished sketches were published in Jump because Togashi is lazy and doesn't give a shit.
I think it was assistants who had to care to redraw all those pages for the tankoubon.
It looked too delicious.
I dropped One Piece because I didn't know what the fuck was going on with the panels.
Seriously made my eyes hurt, how the fuck do people manage to get what is going on?
It's either the chicken or the people
But…I liked those episodes.
15 years of being a fanboy will do that to you.
Then you have the anime watchers, Marineford-kiddies and Skypea bandwagoners.
OP fans are on par with Jojo and Berserk fans.
Every single manga discussion ever "OP/Jojo/Berserk is better," "read OP/Jojo/Berserk instead," "OP/Jojo/Berserk is flawless. Best manga ever."
Fuck it's annoying.
He gets better
You can't deny that Berserk fans have their reason at least compared to the other two. Heck, even Jojo fans have their reason.
Whereas OP is just a smelly piece of shit. One SHIT.
You forgot HxH.Same with Jojo fans but a little more retarded.
berserk is literally "nothing happens: the manga"
The author isn't in a good condition at the moment but he still delivers chapters although they are in script form
They've been getting their crystal therapy.
Dude, I totally get you. I think two of His biggest problems is that
1. he tries to squash a lot of his action sequences in smaller panels
2. All his black (sound effects included) seem to blend into each other.
Even if your doing layout tricks the image should read immediately. I'm sure some asshole will tell us something like 'well your just too stupid to read it' but I really think he's not that great at sequential clarity.
hell yeah he does. Almost every artist starts out rough and improves through the series. This is a while ago. The art in dressrosa has been amazing.
And you're literally subhuman with 0 reading comprehension
Araki's art is freaking amazing. You may not like the style, but Araki's art at it's peak in part 7 was gorgeous. Some of the stuff he draws belongs in the freaking Louvre. His style, his designs, how he messes around with colors - he loves what he does too, Araki was born to be an artist.
Nigga, I'm both a JoJo AND a Berserk fan and I can wholeheartedly say that while we know that these series are great, we don't try to flaunt and shove them down everyone's throat about how great it is like fucking OnePiecefags. OPfags honestly think that after reading One Piece for a certain amount of time that they somehow know everything about manga. They are the most pretentious faggots ever. So please, don't associate us with those faggots.
Every excuse ever about One Piece art.
Actually Oda started out really clean. The first three volumes of One Piece are fine. I guess story telling trumped drawing in the middle there.
/co/ is full of hipsters, poseurs and underaged landwhale cunts
Those faggots are usually from /v/.
I only found out the other week he's married. I just figured he was probably gay, looking at his art.
I can believe that.
The Berserk fanbase is among the absolute worse for a different reason - that being the fact that 90% of it's fans are the most over-entitled little bitches of any fanbase on /a/. Seriously, it's unbearable, and I say that as a fan of the manga myself.
Flawless fanboy logic right here. Isayama's art is nothing but scribbles.
Nice reply, did you mimic the epic MC of One Piece?
being a jojo fan i must say, the whole "jojo is perfect" thing is more of a banter than blind fanboyism
this friend of mine doesn't like anime/manga, but he decided to watch jojo because i kept talking about how silly and fun it was. he dropped it close to the end. i obviously don't blame him for not loving it but i keep calling him a pleb, just for fun.
Every fanbase is terrible and if it isn't yet, it will be.
You seem to be confused with longtime fans and readers of Berserk with people who only caught up with it recently and marathoned all the chapters to catch up.
The former understands the level of quality that Miura puts into each of his chapters (on large canvases may I add) since he's a perfectionist who will throw a page away and start over if he makes the slightest mistake, and thus needs more time to submit the best work possible since he's so passionate about his job.
The latter are faggots who only recently caught up who sit and bitch going "HURRY THE FUCK UP MIURA" and when you tell them why it takes so long they still fucking complain like entitled mongoloid fucks. I hate them too and I hate how they've become assimilated into Berserk's fanbase.
the new Xman comic this fucking issue , fuck
not only the art but the writing is also shit
That's why I said 90% of the fanbase. Undoubtedly, if you have been in any of the recent Gigantomakia or Berserk threads,at this point,those people make up quite a large portion of the fanbase on /a/.
That generic shoujo style.
Wait, that shit got released?
Someone actually thought that looked good?
I don't think anyone but Berserk fans do that.
I think 90% is a bit of an exaggeration. I'd say a good half of the fanbase is like that, but not 90%.
The art was best in Skypeia and Enies Lobby.
>All western comics are shit
>Lets only use capeshit as examples.
Who are you quoting?
>I don't think anyone but One Piece fans to that.
Oh shut the fuck up, I've been following Berserk for 8 years now and I'm thoroughly fed up with Miura's stalling tactics bullshit.
Keep it up and it will get canned, 3 flopped movies and declining sales will make sure of that.
No one said that.
I admit I'm probably just exaggerating, but my point remains that those people, whatever percentage they make up, are some of the absolute worst people on all of /a/.
No need to be upsed /co/cksucker
All OP-fags usually say is that it isn't shit.
You're quoting who?
Those pages are bad. Here are some good ones
It has its moments of bad.
I've been waiting for this one. Every time people say that Oda sucks this same fucking picture gets posted, as if iconic double page spreads are somehow representative of the usual art quality.
Go back to sucking dick.
>gets proven wrong
OP haters everyone
YOU shut the fuck up. I just explained in my post why it's understandable why new chapters of Berserk take so long to come out. While I'm eager to see what happens next in the story, I'm perfectly fine with the amount of time it takes to make a new chapter so long as the level of quality is always stellar. Do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult and stressful it is to draw such a detailed manuscript as Berserk? Why don't YOU try to write and draw a 35 page manuscript that looks just as good if not better than Miura's work? You may find it to be a lot harder than you think.
Also, Berserk is considered to be one of the most influential seinen manga of all time to take place in a Western European setting. Whenever anyone makes a project be it anime/manga/or lite novel, they almost always look to Berserk for inspiration. Also, Berserk is Hakusensha and Young Animal's most profitable manga. If you honestly think that they're gonna cancel it then you're a fucking idiot.
because that's the truth
Not sure if retarded or troll..
>gets proven wrong
Its just too bizarre for you to handle
Explain why this >>101795376 is so awful.
It stands to reason that I've followed Berserk longer than you have and I've endured more than you have.
Miura is a professional, cherrypicking coming at the expense of productivity is not acceptable, perfectionism is not an option when you have a deadline.
Do your fucking job and get the hell of nico douga, you lazy fuck.
Even Togashi is more admirable than for his work ethic.
he probably is
Part 1 was ugly to me too. Jonathan was too fucking huge
But otherwise it's good
Panel composition is bad, art has you guessing what is going on, shitty overuse of vertical lines
I remember thinking that the beginning volumes of Dorohedoro looked kind of shitty, but looking back it was really just a few of the color pages.
The art improved so much though.
I wonder how deluded one has to be to belive that Miura's work ethic is not terrible.
I didn't notice that when I read this.
There's no point in productivity if you need time for figuring out how to approach the story any further.
It's better to have something on hiatus than to have it become a plothole ridden shitty train wreck like a lot of series.
I agree with you wholeheartedly; most Berserk fans don't seem to realize how much time it takes to draw on the level that Miura is at.
It's spirals, I aint gotta explain shit.
Just what the fuck man
The BL artist who does Junjou Romantica and Sekaiichi Hatsukoi
>worst art style you have ever seen
>There's no point in productivity if you need time for figuring out how to approach the story any further.
Oh look, I'm arguing with children here.
Try pulling any of that shit in real life and you'll find without a job.
Even writers are pressured to keep writing and if they go past their deadline they know what to expect.
Gigantomakhia is the result of Berserk going south due to Miura's dicking around and him being forced to explore other career paths.
>Hating Junji Ito
gayer than a castrated Frenchman.
>You'll find yourself without a job*
Nothing wrong with a sketchy aesthetic if you can pull it off properly.
I thought the assistants draw the backgrounds most of the time
Anyone that draws with an overused generic style that isn't even their own.
It's easy to have a good looking artstyle that isn't yours. It's hard to come up with your own style from scratch, it might look bad at first, but if the artist improves over time then there isn't a problem.
Ofcourse , I've read manga with shit art but had great stories and characters, so it doesn't matter to me. As long as the manga has something good about it.
What's very important in a manga is the flow of the panels. If it flows well, it's easy to follow and will keep you turning those pages. Some examples that come to mind are Parasyte and Berserk, which excel at this.
because at this time Oda still was an inexperienced mangaka
>implying it hasn't happened before
What is D-Gray Man, what is Nyankoi, what was almost Deadman Wonderland.
DGM was a hell of a lot more popular than Berserk, yet the mangaka was told to go find herself another job.
Miura isn't Togashi, Miura has a 1 volume per year minimum contract, he failed to deliver on that in 2013 and now he's living with the consequences of his actions.
If I remember correctly, Oda, at least according to himself, draws everything that moves and lives, so I am not sure if he even draws the buildings himself
>hey look what these assistants of mine drew
ITT: Newfriends and others with no idea of what bad manga art actually is.
Protip: It's shoujo art. Always.Some folks have it right.
and that is the typical response to this image
why so upset?
Too bad for him, Oda's moving art sucks dick and his character art consists of stickmen, stickmen with balloon chests and gorillas with stick legs.
1 volume per year? Fuck me, so how many pages is that roughly?
>Protip: It's shoujo art
I was about to post something like that. Everything in this style is just so awful. This picture isn't so bad, but it's all I had.
not moe enough for you
and this applies to pretty much every mangaka ever, your point?
Around 200 or so.
He has failed to deliver a few other times in the past by a month or so, but back then he had Berserk's popularity to use as a parachute.
For the most part he just barely makes it in time, but this time he missed by over 2 months.
Anything by Clamp, really.
And I'm speaking with a retarded adult who thinks only with numbers and statistics and also thinks that constant productivity is good in an art form, even if the artist is having trouble approaching his work of art.
I'll say it again, no one wants to read a weekly train wreck that isn't worth following. This isn't some kind of fucking 9-5 office job, but you think it should be? 14 months without a chapter isn't nice, I get it. But I'd simply rather not have to drop a series because it went to shit. I'd rather wait a 2 year long hiatus till the artist figures out what to do next.
Of course, if everyone did this, it wouldn't be good, it may be an art form, but it's still an industry and needs to circulate. All the shitty mangaka can help with this circulation, and special permits come to those with big reputations like Miura, and Takehiko Inoue, who also had a 2 year hiatus for Vagabond in 2010-2012 but is sailing smoothly now.
Nope, it doesn't. Murata, Inoue, Samura, Miura, Mori, etc.
Bitter Virgin is Josei, Kusonoko Kei is a Josei mangaka.
Check out her other works.
Wasn't the Vagabond hiatus because Inoue suffered a MAJOR burnout syndrome?
Who are you quoting? I happen to love The Darkness and it has fantastic artwork.
You don't understand the ramifications of contract violation, do you?
Let me spell it out for you.
It means that Berserk risks cancellation.
Don't believe me? Go take a look at the sales for the latest volumes, take a look at the revenue for the movies.
The Berserk ship is sinking, you'll never get off the boat.
Yeah I know, but it was an example of how they can never seem to get arms or hands right.
But 'X' was a fantastic looking movie.
Did we ever get a Nichibros of this?
let even one of their works get as popular as One Piece and then see what happens with drawing everything alone
I know what it is, but I'd like anyone to try even try to get Miura to cancel Berserk, a manga that has been running for over twenty years and has developed a huge following. It won't happen to him, it can happen to anyone else, but his name is too big.
The Berserk manga still sells well. The movies flopped simply because they were shit abut at least advertised the manga. I already said earlier that it is Hakusensha and Young Animal's most profitable series. There's no way that they will ever cancel it. Plus they are understanding of Miura's necessity for more time. You're either baiting or just a complete fucking idiot.
The only decent post in this thread. Bless you
What is dragonball?
He's on hiatus. He needs it.
>get Miura to cancel Berserk
The company would tell him it's cancelled, not the other way around. The manga publishers can things left and right if popularity fails, and because of beserks slow publishing the popularity just keeps on dropping.
Exceptions prove the rule
But does it really count as manga?
Berserk Volume sales have more than halved since 2008, you're delusional.
Find Berserk on this list.
Protip: It's not there.
No it doesn't
Get that putrid shit out of here,
>Anyone that draws with an overused generic style that isn't even their own.
I love Hiromu Arakawa's art despite it being pretty lacking a lot of the time just because she has her own artstyle
And then he switches to different publisher claiming he's ready to carry on Berserk. What then? The new publisher gets a big name on their magazine and it starts selling a lot more copies. Young Animal won't make such a risk by cancelling Berserk, even if it doesn't make as much money as before, it will still sell well.
Nope, it's just a generic art style from a different era.
The way she draws her manly men is somewhat unique however.
Young Animal is a seinen manga and porn magazine with barely any series published by it you fucking moron. The only other noteworthy series to come out of it besides Berserk is Detroit Metal City, and that ended a while ago. Berserk is only 1 of 7 ongoing series in Young Animal, so they literally CAN'T AFFORD to cancel Berserk when the other 6 works that they publish are ones that nobody gives a shit about. Don't believe me? See for yourself:
Do I have to fucking spoonfeed this to you?
He can't. The publisher has the copyright over the manga as much as the author does.
Not sure how that would work with licenses and so on, Miura would at the very least lose all his assistants.
Besides there aren't many publishers big enough to carry Berserk, or pay Miura's fees.
Other than her cute SD style and hilarious reaction shots I like Nakamura Shungiku's style exactly because of these reasons. Yeah, even with one or two wonky panels /a/ loves to repost.
There are other more reliable sources of income you know.
More porn for one is a good start.
Sure, sure, you cocksucker. For what they do, the ones I named are pretty damn popular
You must be trolling. Nakamurashit is bottom of the barrel.
Are you honestly comparing the sales of a seinen manga to the sales of shonen manga? Christ you're retarded. It's common knowledge that seinen manga doesn't sell nearly as much as shonen or shoujo manga. Berserk is among the most successful SEINEN manga. Of course it's not gonna sell nearly as much as shonen or shoujo.
>Berserk is the only manga they carry that I've read
>this means everything else is shit nobody cares about
Berserk-fags at full force, ladies and gentlemen.
she's shit even for yaoi standars
That's bullshit. The profitability of porn magazines has gone to shit since it's so easy to find porn for free on the internet.
Miura hates assistants anyway.
Someday you'll be cured of autism, /a/.
What is Gantz, what is JJBA, what is fucking Tenjou Tenge?
Landwhale please, get some taste in BL artists.
He was making a point, Nakamura art is unique ( very recognizable) but still shit.
Go ahead, name a bigger manga on that list than Berserk. Facts don't lie.
So are you implying that any of those other 6 series are as big as Berserk? You're retarded.
Is that a fucking joke?
After all these years of drawing and yet in every new stuff she releases half the pages have completely fucked up anatomy. And the fucking sameface, goddamnit it makes me angry.
Hideyoshico is a good example of a BL artist with a unique and also good art style.
I did nothing of the sort, I just called you out on your rampant faggotry by calling everything else "shit nobody cares about".
Not him, but Futari Ecchi is pretty fucking big in Japan.
Two of those are shit that barely classify as seinen, JJBA has been running for almost 30 years and look at Jojolion's sales, it's not a lot compared to shounen manga sales.
>get some taste
>posts some random generic style
Kuramada's style used to bother me a lot more when I was younger, weird.
Gantz and Tenjou Tenge, hell Berserk too are rare exceptions as they sell incredibly well. JoJo used to be a shonen manga for a long time until Steel Ball Run so it already had years worth of support from longtime fans who grew up with it.
Tenjou Tenge had 200k opening week sales and averaged at more that Berserk.
Gantz was a monster in its own right.
Meh, it's pretty, but her works do nothing for me.
You seem a little butthurt and have some angsty hate against Berserk fans, don't let that blind you from what's true and what isn't. I don't care if you don't like Beserk fans, objectively speaking, Berserk is the biggest manga there, in terms of total volume sales overall.
23 million copies. Last time I checked, Berserk was at 30 million total copies in circulation by around volume 35.
Hey, I read Shi ni Itaru Yamai. It was pretty good.
I agree. Attack on Titan has god-awful art. It has improved a bit, though.
>nobody cares about Chica Umino
Then why does her manga sale more than Berserk?
>*3. 142,447 *,441,592 3 Gatsu no Lion Vol.9
> *7, *99,681 *,246,090 Berserk Vol.37
>/a/ getting mad at sameface
>what is artistic direction
I think he might be calling them titans. I'm not sure.
>Count as manga
Those are some obscure nip names there anon.
The other half looks good enough for me to keep reading.
Wasn't saying it was bigger than Berserk, but that magazine had some good/popular stuff in it.
>never heard of Garaguheru and Roduni Kazuton
Their ancestors served as the Oda family's err towelboys.
Reliably bad: One Piece
Lazy Fuck: HXH
Deformity Tier: Random low budget Shoujo
Holy fuck, Ai-Ren as well.
That magazine had some good shit. This has to be one of my favourite manga.
The resemblance is uncanny.
Molester Man had some of the worst art I've ever seen in a manga, granted it is fanwork. Yet I enjoyed reading it a lot.
Shoujo mangaka seem to be the biggest criminals though. There are a quite a few good ones, but I can't stand the majority of them and their styles.
The art inside is just as bad as the cover.
He always draws the same angle. The same fucking angle.
How can you make a battle manga if you can't draw any other angle of a fucking face?
That thumb could crush his skull alone.
Or the other guy is a midget. I can't remember.
I am going to say a blasphemy for /a/ but any manga style isn't shit if people enjoy it.
It was a doujin, with a real life story to tell. Doujins are still fanwork.
Speaking of crushing skulls with giant hands.
Not only he made a battle manga, he made he really fucking neat battle manga.
Which proves >>101798813 is the only sensible person here.
Hunter x Hunter
how this got popular is beyond my horizon
>but any manga style isn't shit if people enjoy it.
It has its moments.
Well, it's a good story. It just has bad art.
It's the only example I can think of where the anime has better art than the manga.
>all these posts hating and generalizing shoujo with hardly any examples
I thought /a/ had manga readers who weren't plebs, what happened?
He can do it better when he tries
What Japs wants to look like
What Japs look like
Wan piss happened
Despite what it thinks, /a/ isn't a little girl, so shoujo does not interest it.
All these posts and not a single mention of Bleach?
MM was mediocre for the first part, art-wise, but some of the later scenes were really good.. YOKO's manga are pretty good generally.
That's not really the point that was made >>101800169 and >>101798813.
Lack of art isn't same as worst art
That's not really the point that was made reading >>101800169 and >>101798813.
/co/ doesn't defend this. I mean they're pretty autistic but even they don't defend this shit.
I love it, but dear god the art sucks.
ITT: successful stuff with cherrypicked pictures that /a/ doesn't like. Let me contribute.
They defend JRjr' shitty art so I wouldn't be surprised if they did for whatever person drew that.
If Kubo knows how to make photorealistic backgrounds then why the hell does he almost never make them?
then wwwwww to calm your autism
Because he hate backgrounds, i bet that those are made by some assistant
nearly every manga has that problem.
the only way they seem to distinguish characters from one another is by altering their hair style/palette
>they defend JRjr
No they don't. Literally every time I see someone mention him they're shit talking him. The only time I've seen someone defend stylized garbage on there was Tang En Huat.
Go read Taiyou no ie and tell me it's ugly, just to name one.
No, those are genuine Bleach backgrounds, first seen during the Agent of the Shinigami arc, back when Bleach was a newcomer to the WSJ roster and had no fame.
Ie. back when Kubo had to work for a living.
It must be one of his talented assistants
In such a popular series there is no way he's working alone.
>Literally every time I see someone mention him they're shit talking him.
Yeah, no. Back when World War Hulk was a thing I saw nothing but praises for him getting the cover and insert art. Every time I voiced my displeasure about it as his only good work was in the 90's I was written off as a troll or someone that couldn't comprehend that different artists have different styles.
Although yeah, over the years opinions do change and I haven't touched that board in about 3 of them.
Any yaoi manga
At least the dude actually got better at drawing.
Lazy art isn't bad art. Moelster man did an incredible job with character characterization and facial expressions, for one.
Assistants do menial tasks like inking and shading, they don't do everything ever and unless you notice a gigantic increase in art quality then it isn't solely the assistants work.
Kubo is one of few mangaka who has actually regressed in art quality.
Though character art has improved, backgrounds and anatomy have suffered.
Don't fuck with Tezuka, especially Ayako ;_;
Well, all of his faces are hideous, but I rather like his spiderman(when he's in-costume, naturally)
How is it even possible to regress?
This has to be shooped
I think that was done on purpose, but I'm not sure, I just remember one of these often reposted ones is on purpose to look that bad.
first few chapters of love lab were fucking terrible
but then he suddenly got good. maybe sold enough copies for lessons or something
Gotta get rid of the backgrounds so he can spend more time on tweeter.
Shaft isn't better than Kyoani: Let's try to turn everything edgy and from time to time a random character has to do a 180° turn with the head.
Easy, you spend more time lazing about and neglect your work.
All in all he hasn't regressed, he just works less and parties more.
Pic related, quick sketch with an autograph for a fan.
And people complain about Miura?
At least he's not holding out on you.
Take a look at Naruto. Backgrounds everywhere. The action is a clusterfuck of lines crossing and determined expressions.
By removing unnecessary elements from the panels, Kubo directs your attention where it is supposed to go. You always eye the action in Bleach. It's impossible to miss. Naruto not so much.
It's incredibly basic, really. One of the basics of manga art is that barebone drawings are often acceptable. Another example of what I mean: Anime characters missing an eye or two when looking down with a dark expression or some shit.
No backgrounds = Easy to follow, fewer screwups, no confusion.
I hate to say it, I'm a really huge Evafag, and although most of the scenes and animation in the movie were really nice.
>3.0' Wunder Flying scene
Embarrassing. I was fucking embarrassed. That's how fucking bad it was. I'm not talking about 3.33, talking about the version that showed in theaters, 3.0.
>dat unfinished extremely dull plastic looking, n64 looking cgi
Horrific. Just horrible.
In the same vein.
I've yet to see any legit terrible art in this thread, and I've seen a great deal of shitty manga art in my days.
This is also very common in shoujo, with the theory that once the readers know where the scene is happening there is no need to draw the background.
Take this for example, we know where this is happening in the 3rd frame, the only background you need is the stairs to know the woman is moving.
I'll admit that I haven't read any of the serious arcs in Gintama, but the usual stuff is garbage compared to the anime.
Oh really? Go on and show us then. I'm sure we can say the same thing about your suggestions.
I mustn't be autistic enough for /a/ since when I come to like I a style its supposed flaws do not really bother me anymore, so I don't generally think to it as shit.
That's not even sameface. The eyes are in the sae style, maybe, but I could instantly differentiate most of those characters even just given the shape of their facial features.
>it still looks like shit
>Though character art has improved
>Assistants do menial tasks like inking and shading, they don't do everything ever and unless you notice a gigantic increase in art quality then it isn't solely the assistants work.
This is bullshit. In a plethora of popular manga there are listings for assistants who handle backgrounds and scenery such as plants and architecture. In Fairy Tail, Naruto and Bleach there are assistants with tasks such as these.
>Though character art has improved
This is a joke right? The character art in Bleach in the beginning was great, each character had unique features and were varied right down to the eye placements (Ichigo had a slant eyeline and his pupils were dilated like most of the males so you can tell them a part) now almost every fucking character looks the same and as of the recent arcs his character designs has gotta quite lazy with the Quincies.
Why you quote the wrong post? are you retarded?
I see that the hands are misproportioned, but it doesn't bother me and his face is attractive, the pose dynamic.The fact that everything about him is oddly proportioned actually helps, creates a balance that makes a style. If everything were perfectly drawn but some part were still misproportioned, even by far less than in that picture, it would bother people much more.
Her art is a complete fucking mess.
Manga with good character designs are really hard to come by. This guy is one of the better ones I've seen.
>By removing unnecessary elements from the panels, Kubo directs your attention where it is supposed to go. You always eye the action in Bleach. It's impossible to miss. Naruto not so much.
This is what Bleachfags actually believe...
The manga of Battle Royal and proto-Haruhi were pretty bad. I haven't seen anything that could top them so far.
>backgrounds and scenery such as plants and architecture. In Fairy Tail, Naruto and Bleach t
And how is that a lie?
Attack on Titan is the manga with the worst art I can think of which has been adapted.
What makes the battle a "clusterfuck" is the way how the paneling goes not because of the backgrounds. One Piece uses it's terrains to enhance the battles and make them more exciting they're only hard to follow if you''re a complete retard. Having no backgorunds doesn't intensify the battles in Bleach nor make them better in fact they're fucking boring since there's no actual sign of work being done with it, the latest chapter was nothing but still images and one swipe, it's like what happens if someone from Deviantart decided to make a comic but forgot about the panels to make the action actually flow.
First few chapters of this.
You'd think that the story of an incest couple with espers, fightan and said incest couple's love child being stuck right in the middle of it would sort of be hard to fuck up, but apparently it wasn't.
Something about the artstyle in the original was really, really grating.
There is rerelease with better art though.
You mean Blitz?
Holy shit. Those legs could go on for meters
Because many manga can have great battles with backgrounds/terrains. Bleach despite having no backgrounds in it's fights are terrible.
Battle Royal is the ugliest fucking thing I've ever laid eyes on
>arguing about opinions when this entire thread is opinons
The clusterfuck comes from the fact that every battle scene is littered with the same 'shards of earth exploding upwards'-type debris making it impossible to figure out where anyone is in regards to each other based on the terrain alone.
The character designs are usually interesting, but yeah overall it's pretty mediocre.
Synn is another mangaka who has regressed through the years. The girls aren't even attractive anymore.
This battle was more engaging than anything Bleach has done in the past 7 years.
>This is a joke right?
No not really, the style has improved and Kubo's confidence in his own style really shows.
All you have to say is "b-but my expressiveness" and "UNIQUE".
Bleach's art is still unique, as most WSJ manga it has clearly distinguishable art and very emotive characters.
Sadly it's for the most part Ichigo that gets all the expressions.
wow what a hot habbiaitait
Don't remind me. I tried to read that once.
Big fucking shame and all. Could have been great.
They have been in the same crater for well over a year now.
It makes anything impossible to figure out.
Fuck you guys, I loved BR.
>Bleach's art is still unique
The drop in popularity seem to have made the fanbase delude themselves
Everything Koge-Donbo has ever made.
Is that suppose to look good?
I wanted to enjoy it. I really did - I loved the book, but since the art is basically all I'm there for and I couldn't stand it there was no point.
Isn't this otome?
They can shoot guns like that if they want to you patriarchal cis-scum!
I can throw around insults too.
>the style has improved and Kubo's confidence in his own style really shows.
Hey guys remember when Ichigo actually looked like a fucking badass and not a generic bishounen? Hey remember when Rukia didn't look like a female version of Hitsugaya?
We're not talking if a battle is great or terrible, we're talking that battle in bleach are easy to follow
You are not allowed to enjoy things that /a/ doesn't like. Now go commit sudoku in shame.
Yeah, sure, if they want to miss. I've done it for teh lulz, but you don't hit shit
>legitimately liking the original art style more
Well I'll be, it's a faggot!
Yeah, I'm all for letting women teach other women to fire automatic firearms as you would a rifle.
Let them poke their eyes out, blind bitches can't make the world a worse place.
The novel was great, but the manga art is as bad as it gets.
Speaking of artists that have improved, fucking Oshimi Shuzo.
I love this guy's art now, but when I first started reading him, it was pretty shitty.
>we're talking that battle in bleach are easy to follow
I'm not sure how some of you actually believe battles are hard to follow unless you're retarded.
I really do miss his original style. The characters had more, I dunno, character.
Sure they look nicer and sexier now, but they are lacking in personality.
Everything just looks coooool now.
I hate Kubo's current art, but that's actually really good for a quick sketch for a fan - have you ever seen Sadamoto's autographed's sketches?
Not that I blame artists for not doing impressive sketches for fans, usually they have to do tons of these one after another...
>liking the current art
Well I'll be, it's a faggot
Well I'll blah blah bloo
Naruto character art is also shittier now than in the beggining
I liked the art. The emphasis on the lips was a bit offputting though.
It was shit in the beginning too.
no, goddammit. That is a lazy way of brushing off the fact that you are wrong. RULES don't have EXCEPTIONS. Unless they are shitty, false rules.
Yes some of they are hard, and that guy gave us a great example, Naruto
It was sort of OK during the midway point though.
Why did it go to absolute shit after the timeskip?
Gaara uses his sand to save Naruto and the Shukaku got sucked in. OH MAN THAT WAS SO HARD TO MAKE OUT!
I can't stop laughing at that last panel
>id the artist just get tired of drawing and said fuck it?
This is Togashi we're talking about, of course he did.
He got accustomed to one particular style that made it easier to draw and make deadlines. Happens to all mangaka.
TT was great, then it got rushed and kinda fell apart at the end.
Oh! Great art is awesome.
It's hard being pretty.
Still though, that's some really lazy art.
Yeah, great example isnt it?
I just didn't like how the characters were drawn as a whole. Everything was off.
I don't think anyone has ever complained about the art on TT, it was great from early to until the very end.
Hell it actually by leaps and bounds, seen when Nagi commands the undead in a spread.
TT was used as an example of a seinen that outsold Berserk at the time.
improved by leaps and bounds*
>TT was great
I dunno, I thought their bodies and clothing were fine.
I have a theory about the faces though. Everyone was made to look ugly just to make Kiriyama look better.
No? If he was able to make out what was happening then there's nothing particualrly wrong with it. You;re just retarded.
I understand what you're saying, but there are better ways to achieve the desired effect.
For example, using white to create negative space around the focus of a panel so that the eye is drawn towards the characters and the action. In the bottom left it's done subtly so as not to distract the reader, in the top panel it's done while simultaneously showing off a character's strength.
Naruto is just a bad example. You want a shounen manga with hard to make out battles? Fucking Air Gear.
Whoops, I meant movement. The action lines imply movement.
Semi-related: one of the first manga I tried reading was Trigun, and I could hardly tell what was happening in any action scenes.
Is it just me not being used to manga, or was Trigun actually sort of bad in that aspect?
almost all shojo manga have terrible art.
You're right, it's been a while. I forgot there were some normal looking characters. Shuya and Noriko were all right as well but their designs always felt weird - not badly drawn, just off somehow.
I might try it again and just skim past the ugly people.
The art in Trigun wasn't a strong point, the mangaka was inspired by the guy who did Hellboy
Basically main characters = sexy, side characters = ugly.
it's a real shame that the author feels that he needs to include those
Reminds me Gantz for some reason
Mignola's not bad, his style's sort of degraded over the years but back when Trigun started in the late 90s he was still pretty good.
That guy was great. He would have gone far if he didn't target Kiryama for anal.
>Exceptions to generalizations
Shojo are drawn like shit because the mangaka are usually first timers who have no experience drawing, and they haven't changed from their old highschool drawing style.
To be honest, I like this artist's work in Black Joke
what is the best art you have ever seen in a manga?
>He would have gone far if he didn't target Kiryama for anal.
He had his priorities right.
That image of a group of guys in a mountain
Probably not the best but Three Kingdoms has great art.
I'm found of the Over Bleed art as well.
Kokou no Hito?
It looks like her right wrist is backwards.
To put a positive spin on this thread, what series has featured the most notable improvement in art?
I'm fond even.
I loved his early Air Gear art, the later stuff for me got weird and it felt like all his characters hanged for the worst
Kokou no Hito it's called.
Shit that's nice.
It's pretty good.
I thought that was a sharkman from the thumbnail
I'm trying to think of indefensibly bad art, but it's kind of difficult. Some mangaka looked pretty goddamn rough when they first started, like Fukumoto, but I kind of like it regardless.
Isayama of Attack on Titan is remarkably bad at body geometry for someone as successful as he is, but I think his designs are solid. He'll likely improve with time and his editors will force him to transition to a more standard clean and lifeless art style.
The bizarre Hunter × Hunter draft chapters might count, but I think Togashi might be dying of cancer.
Doujin of what?
I love SnK's titans but everything else is incredibly shitty for how popular it is.
Americans will never understand how amazing Captain Tsubasa is
I like seeing different faces. Besides Generic Protagonist #65536, everyone else looks interesting compared with what we're used to seeing.
Mikasa is pretty standard too, I suppose, but you don't talk shit about Mikasa.
>Innocent is a weekly manga
How does he do it? Tons of assistants? Magical hands?
Berserk was weekly too at one point.
Isayama can't match a character's eyes to their mouth/vice versa. You can't even nail down with the fuck they're trying to emote half the time.
8 years on that fucking boat.
So was Vinland Saga. Then it switched to monthly, giving Yukimura the chance to put more details in his art.
It's always fun trying to figure out which character is which since a fair few look the same, especially early one.
It's not even that bad anymore. The only really bad thing remaining is Isayama's lack of human anatomy knowledge. And the rough art can disturb some people, but I like it. He changed a lot since the first chapter, and there is still a lot to do.
I love them all, but fuck, the art is ugly.
Style, huh? Or just overall art.
I'm fairly positive nobody compares with Miura's art scenery-wise. At very least, nobody drew AS MANY gorgeous backgrounds as he did. There are mangaka that drew couple/a bit more than a couple on the same level and very rarely even better than Miura, but absolutely not as consistent as he did/does.
So there's that. On the other side, I don't like the art style in Berserk. I rather Urasawa's faces or Boichi's stuff and even Mizukami's
For me it depends which part, his art has change quite a bit over the years.
SnK and wan piss
He'll have a lot of pressure on him now to conform to the expectations of the migrating anime fans.
>Assistants do menial tasks like inking and shading
That's not true
I think the problem is that he is trying to mimic a realistic-sort of art which he doesn't have the talent for
He should have stuck with a more simple style
As long as he keeps drawing creepy titans I will be fine.
I don't like the art in any part, but for different reasons, early jojo was just plain bad and full of quality, now it's just my personal opinion, the character design and the costumes are too exaggerated, the scenes can get very messy and the shading is too heavy. The background art is the only part I like.
Anything by Irie Aki
Why can't he always draw like this? This look real good, but the most part of the manga look like 10 years old doodles.
The funny thing is that Isayama's screwy body geometry probably helps him make more disconcerting titans.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's where his inspiration came from. As a kid, sketching at his desk. Tried drawing a character in the foreground, accidentally drew a creepy-as-fuck giant.
Out of the mango I've actually read I'd have to say some parts of Hunter X Hunter. I love the series, it's a solid 9/10, but sometimes the art is just so shit. Chicken scratch. Most of the series looks good, just when whatshisname is feeling lazy he scribbles a few lines and releases the chapter.
>now it's just my personal opinion
That's far enough. I can understand why people wouldn't like the designs and such, it's a matter of taste.
I've always been partial to Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou. It's not perfect, but as it goes on it becomes better and better. Ashinano's become a true master at scenery and calming, non-ironic healing-type stories.
His characters became simpler over time, but I don't think that's a bad thing.
Strangely, I feel that Isayama's art really complements the feel of Shingeki, for the most part. It's a grim series (for shonen, anyway), so having rough art helps, particularly for the titans.
To be honest the difference of quality between an average page and a double spread involving titans is big. He always put more effort in those.
The backgrounds always looks gorgeous in that manga
I could deal with his human characters if you could actually tell them apart. It's not even sameface - characters will look different in every page.
The inconsistency with faces kills me.
>You can't even nail down with the fuck they're trying to emote half the time
This is the biggest problem i have with snk art
If it comes to a good balance between characters and background, Kenji Tsurata really strikes a chord with me. His work on Memories of Emanon feels very nostalgic, in a way, like something that you'll have difficulty forgetting, appropriately.
Good story and fluid animation, but the art style is shit.
Aren't you doing exactly what that guy said though?
You know what's bad about SnK art? It's not the lack of detail or "scribbles". I don't care about that.
Facial expressions. Go to the scene in the latest chapter where some older women is with Crista when she was younger and tries to show grief. Isayama overuses this expression way too much for way too many situations. It's like he has a set of facial expressions in his head that he can use, and cannot use anything outside it.
That's just your opinion. The art style is different from the norm. In fact, it looks like a 60s anime.
Thanks for that pointless 5-hour late input, we appreciate your concern, pissfag
Maybe he's autistic.
If you look at videos of the rate and quality kubo can draw, I would be willing to bet a lot of money he could EASILY finish a single chapter in 1 day; 2 days at most.
He doesn't need an assistant.
>everyone else looks interesting compared with what we're used to seeing.
There was a time in which I could not tell Jean and Reiner apart.
I always thought he was great at facial expressions, as opposed to his anatomy.
Teppu has the same problem
Worse than HxH and Bleach fags.
Imo he's bad at them because you can never tell who anyone is without context and hair colors.
Is he suppose to be smiling?
More like an angry smile. So, yes.
>oh shit/sweaty face
The expressions on the titans are cool thou.
So who is better in terms of art Miura or Araki?
Miurs. Araki is actually a shitty artist who got better as he went on, Miura is a good artist who got better as he went on.
>tries to show grief
I agree, it was terrible
Yeah, his expressions and the titan art are superior.
He's getting overall better with the anatomy too, but he still has a long way to go.
I don't read SnK, what's supposed to be wrong with it?
I seriously have no idea what's going on in the 5ft panel.
Did she rip off Christa's head, is she crying or laughing?
Not him, but half the time you have no idea what emotions the characters are trying to express.
>Did she rip off Christa's head
that head rip-off panel could easily be a laughing_girls.jpg image.
I like how that girl on the top left was so surprised that saliva fell off her mouth. I don't really see the problem with that page, but I don't know the context, so I can't say.
From the way I see the page, it looks like the loli is genuinely happy, while the girl is sad, but smiles anyway.
How close did I fall?
I don't know because I can't fucking tell.
That's the Shingeki dichotomy, people are either perfectly cool and collected or loosing their shit with sweat and spit everywhere.
This, the facial expressions have no subtlety whatsoever
My dick will never be the same
None of us will ever be the same after this ride.
vice prez is fucking gross
hana is sex incarnate
Is this manga an harem?
It's not really the focus, but there are harem elements.
It's more a manly man bonding humour manga, with lots of plot and backstory.
Oh fuck, you managed to find out about it.
Goddamn I really want that, I need to get a job.
Picked up then , thanks for the info