>***,304位/***,282位 (**2,590 pt) Chuu2 Ren Vol.1 [Blu-ray]
>**6,086位/**5,535位 (***,351 pt) Chuu2 Ren Vol.1 [DVD]
Disregarding whether you like KyoAni or not do you think that KyoAni's selling power is in a considerably fast rate decline?
Chuu2 Ren has been stuck in limbo for weeks now. I'm predicting 5-7.5k.
I think people just have come to a realization that KyoAni is overrated. I'm glad they're out of the picture. Dogakobo is slowly outclassing KyoAni in terms of animation.
Nothing is selling this season.
Everyone is keeping their wallets full for Spring.
Because nothing has really happened.
They have to realize that their character design is not appealing anymore.
>Dogakobo is slowly outclassing KyoAni in terms of animation.
But they are about tied in how good the series actually are. Or rather, when they stopped making good series.
Don't they have their own shop or something?
KyoAni's stock dropped like a rock when they ran out of Key games to animate.
>KyoAni being relevant
Last time I checked they managed to fool the fujoshi fanbase.
Everyone knows that majority of their fanbase got pissed about that hence why this show is making no noise at all. Many of their fans have let go of KyoAni now.
Only thing that can save KyoAni now is to make fujoshi-bait shows.
>KyoAni Key adaptations
Would be interesting to see how well/poorly the Tamako Market movie do in theatres considering how poorly chuu2 sequel is selling.
>Dogakobo is slowly outclassing KyoAni in terms of animation.
Slowly? I'd say they already have. KyoAni has lack variety in their animation styles. It's sickening to see how much they have stagnated.
Oh well. It's the end of the line for KyoAni's growth anyway. With the way they're doing now, I can see them going JC Staff tier soon or maybe Gonzo.
SHAFT is now the new KyoAni. Deal with it.
While Chu2 and Free sequels are all good they should start with an original or something different like the theme park thing that got announced a while ago.
They're still great but they seem to hang on to old washing.
***,106位/***,116位 ★ (**2,511 pt) [*,*38予約] 2014/02/19 生徒会役員共* 1【初回生産限定版】 [Blu-ray]
***,152位/***,160位 ★ (**1,536 pt) [*,*31予約] 2014/03/26 ウィッチクラフトワークス 1 [Blu-ray]
***,173位/***,194位 ★ (***,875 pt) [*,*59予約] 2014/03/12 【Amazon.co.jp限定】鬼灯の冷徹 第1巻 (期間限定CD地獄・ジャケットカード付き) Aver. [Blu-ray]
***,236位/***,203位 ★ (**1,216 pt) [*,*32予約] 2014/03/19 未確認で進行形 vol.1(イベントチケット優先販売申込券付き)(初回生産限定版) [Blu-ray]
***,304位/***,282位 ★ (**2,589 pt) [*,*12予約] 2014/03/19 中二病でも恋がしたい! 戀 (1) [Blu-ray]
***,315位/***,377位 ★ (***,934 pt) [*,*17予約] 2014/03/19 桜Trick 1 (初回特典:イベント優先購入抽選券) [Blu-ray]
***,324位/***,294位 ★ (***,764 pt) [*,*59予約] 2014/04/23 てさぐれ! 部活もの あんこーる Vol.1 [Blu-ray]
this whole anime season is stagnant. Seitokai goes on sale next week, everything else has an event ticket and somehow Tesagure is the 5th highest preorder of this entire season.
7th*. But seriously why is this show so popular.
nobody can keep repackaging the same shit over and over and stay successfully forever
Chuu2 needs more male characters than one
>I'm glad they're out of the picture. Dogakobo is slowly outclassing KyoAni in terms of animation.
they have been better than kyoani for a long time now
>I can see them going JC Staff tier soon or maybe Gonzo.
please don't insult jc staff and gonzo like that
besides being highly overrated, they have nothing in common
FujoAni is determined to destroy yuri.
Their first target is the Tamago Market.
Hope that they completely stay away from yuri subtexting/yuri fanservicing in their anime, focus on male homo scene and serves moehaters well. Let SHAFT and DEEN do the work.
unless you're Shaft
KyoAni isn't relevant anymore.
Are you implying 5-7.5k sales would be bad?
That'd be a success considering it's a second season.
Watch as it sells 8k in the end.
KyoAni always finds a way.
Yes it's terrible. Considering this show sold 11-13k.
Admit it. KyoAni is dying fast.
Second season never sells as good as the first one.
>good by KyoAni standards
Delusional as a Chuuni
[Insert IS Season 2 sales here]
Back pedal some more. UtaPri says hi.
>KyoAni is dying fast.
Yes, they are dying. Free only sold over 30k.
S1 sold a lot more.
There are obvious exceptions.
Indeed, but S2's sales were also good.
K-On S2 sold more than the first.
I like Chu22 but it's probably not going to sell as well as S1. Kyoani seems to be dying a slow death, but at least we're getting more Tamako out of it.
Free was just a fluke. Watch as how their new shows with the same themes sell bad now. I'll be laughing my ass off once a new KyoAni show that isn't free and not targeted at fujoshi sells bad.
Even if Free s2 sells 15k (which it will), it'll be considered a success.
Am I supposed to know that show?
Wrong, its average was a bit lower (43 vs 39) if I'm not mistaken. Not bad at all.
Sequels always drop by 25-30% in the normal range, so as long as Ren doesn't sell less than 7-8k it's still okay.
Fujoshi are fickle creatures, I'd be surprised if it sold that much because they are too busy schlicking to the new flavour of the month.
>Free was just a fluke
Anyone who was smart knew it would make money.
Did you see how excited they were at the S2 announcment event?
shaft has only had 2 successes, madoka and bakemono
they stick around because they get shit done cheaply
/a/ is full of retards then.
I bet Nisekoi will sell at least 10k.
>szs and hidamari not successes
You probably think 5k is a flop right?
Kyoani a shit
published in jump, that doesn't mean anything
making a small profit=/=success
Oh you know how much profit was made? You have a source for that?
>It's the end of the line for KyoAni's growth anyway
Actually they are only getting bigger now, with the LN label and all
4k is the break even point for most anime
You are retarded.
Otaku and Fujoshi are saving money for the big releases.
>Gundam the Origin
>Jojo Part 3
>Akame ga Kill
but spring is a backlog season
That's a joke, right? You're not actually retarded, are you?
Unprofitable franchises don't get sequels, and both of those did. Even Negima!? got a SHAFT movie sequel.
It's over! Kyoani is finished!
jojo will be a nice fill between completing your backlog
>Unprofitable franchises don't get sequels
Its like you actually think the money an adaptation makes matters to a studio
>everyone talking about how studios are going belly up
When was the last studio that even went bankrupt
Disk sales is the best predictor of whether a TV anime get a sequel or not.
What is your point supposed to be?
AIC basically did:
>KyoAni's selling power is in a considerably fast rate decline
Worst run of sales since they started making TV shows.
Is Japan getting tired of cute girls doing cute things over and over again, or just Kyoani's special brand of it?
Gonzo last year or so
How up to date is this?
Are Free's current sales included?
With the image I forgot.
I hope they realise no one likes their light novel adaptations and move on to better source material.
Amagi Brilliant Park will save KyoAni.
Both. Cute girls doing cute thing (pure SOL genre) have been on a decline since the end of K-ON. The only show to break 10k was NNB last year and that's only the first volime. Idol anime is strong though but that doesn't count.
2013 For example
53,491 17,050 32% 36,441 68% Spring 9 Shingeki no Kyojin
43,718 4,588 10% 39,129 90% Summer 12 Monogatari Series Second Season
33,545 14,321 43% 19,224 57% Spring 7 Uta no Prince-sama Maji Love 2000%
29,433 11,866 40% 17,567 60% Summer 6 Free!
28,259 28,259 100% Winter 7 Love Live!
19,145 3,766 20% 15,379 80% Fall 7 Infinite Stratos 2
17,252 8,581 50% 8,671 50% Fall 9 Kuroko no Basuke 2nd Season
16,570 2,164 13% 14,407 87% Spring 8 To Aru Kagaku no Railgun S
15,729 1,753 11% 13,976 89% Spring 8 Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai.
13,137 1,050 8% 12,087 92% Fall 6 Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio
11,511 1,631 14% 9,880 86% Spring 6 Hataraku Maou-sama!
10,027 1,221 12% 8,806 88% Fall 9 Kill La Kill
9,712 1,477 15% 8,235 85% Spring 7 Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru.
9,701 1,561 16% 8,140 84% Fall 7 Little Busters! ~Refrain~
9,134 793 9% 8,341 91% Fall 6 Non Non Biyori
Wait until 2015 and make Q1 and Q2
Q1 is the average from 2005-2010
Q2 is the average form 2010-2015
Let's see how high the declining is.
I hope that Chuunibros are enjoying this season because it may be the last
Well take this as an example.
KyoAni 2000-now average - 19k
KyoAni 2011-now average - 11k
45,804 Fate/Zero Second Season
35,999 Girls und Panzer
35,879 Sword Art Online
24,459 Kuroko no Basuke
20,881 Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon II
19,676 Jojo no Kimyou na Bouken
15,466 Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga Shitai!
10,784 To Love-Ru Darkness
10,622 Inu x Boku SS
10,303 Little Busters!
10,067 Initial D Fifth Stage
and here is 2012 over 10k.
I really don't see the problem, there'll always be a short period where sales will be lower, they can't keep them high forever.
They'll get back to their feet in the upcoming years.
When did cute girls doing cute things sell really well except for K-on!?
honestly never really, you have to go back to Lucky Star to see anymore significant sales.
Aria made some decent sales but nothing huge really that I can think of besides those two either.
With such a bad ongoing concern of Kyoani
I will give Kyoani audit mark Disclaimer
KyoAni 2000-now average - 19k
KyoAni 2011-now average - 11k
SHAFT 2001-now average 11k
SHAFT 2011-now average 27k
Its like KyoAni and SHAFT swapped places.
Shaft keeps milking their two successful franchises. KyoAni could have done more seasons of K-ON, Lucky Star, Haruhi or new KEY, but they didn't.
>KyoAni could have done more seasons of K-ON, Lucky Star, Haruhi or new KEY,
No they couldn't have, if they could have they would have. Nobody wanted to pay them to do it though clearly.
>Nobody wanted to pay them to do it
I really doubt this.
Except none of their LNs are making a mark. Except maybe Chuunibyou. But that's only the case for S1.
Kyoani could have adapted good source material, but instead they decide to adapt shitty LNs they own instead.
YOU WANT SHAFT TIER SALES YOU FAGGOTS
MAKE HARUHI SEASON 3
YOU FUCKING CUNTS
Why? Thats the way adaptations work. There were no more Haruhi LNs to advertise hence they stopped getting Haruhi anime made etc. They are just advertisements for the source material.
>I'll be laughing my ass off once a new KyoAni show that isn't free and not targeted at fujoshi sells bad
But that has already happened.
FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOPPITY FLOP
Hey now, they happen to be adapting a shitty LN they don't own, now.
>I hope they realise no one likes their light novel adaptations
>Chuu2 S1 sold 15k
>Free! sold 33k
>KnK sold (figures needed, but at least it sold)
>KyoAni 2000-now average - 19k
>KyoAni 2011-now average - 11k
If you want to compare 2 timelines compare it with the same year proportion.
Why would you do that? Its lifetime performance vs current performance. It shows they are performing below trend currently.
>more seasons of K-ON, Lucky Star, Haruhi
I can't see how anyone liked Kyoani in the first place with this shit
The internal control of Kyoani is bad, they should fire that fujoshi director so they can make a clear judgement.
I really don't get Lucky Star looking back on it.
But that director's shows make money.
No it was a fluke. Notice how girly the guys are. KyoAni can't animate a proper man anymore.
Yes success that is in a decline. Still status quo. They're still dying.
And the proof is this
I was specifically saying their next show since these KyoAni delusionals keep denying that KyoAni isn't in a very pickled situation. Gonna enjoy seeing these feelings get hurt once they turn into Gonzo/Gainax.
Looks like resentment over Free! will actually have an effect on sales. It was just a guess with KnK but Chuu2 Ren should have done better, and I think it would have without Free! hatred spilling over
That's disc sales you dumbfuck.
Give proper LN sales data, I dare you.
I want to use linear regression so I can know where Kyoani will be going to.
I still don't know how to eat a cornet
Then just use the figures.
it's time for kyoani to go back to when they made hyouka..
You can't prove that because we'll never know how they would have performed without Free's existence.
Not sure if someone said it already, but most shows are selling like shit since last season or so, it appears that Summer drained all the money from everyone.
>But KyoAni has LN band hence they make more money when they adapt it
>But KyoAni has their own store so they make money directly instead of selling it in other stores
>But KyoAni just made a hit called Free
These delusional faggots are killing me. HOLY FUCK.
As if their LNs are keeping them afloat. I bet only Chuu2 and Free sold well. Majority didn't even leave a mark. I expect they're about to abandon that line of work in a few years or so when they realize none of it is making any progress.
Nice try KyoAni but you really can't do anything with all that shit you keep accepting. Also fuck you retards for denying that KyoAni wasn't hurt by Free. Sure they made more Fujoshi followers but at the same time they fucked up their existing fanbase.
Back then, whenever a KyoAni show is announced it stirs commotion and is the talk of the community, nowadays it's just a so-so news. Admit it.
Glad they're declining. Fuck this shitty overrated studio.
its an educated guess using my mothers intuition (i have no children and am not a woman)
Oh I can. No matter how shitty Tamako was it still sold something through the help of staff hype.
They could have made much more if it were moeshit with the same marketing/advertising as Free.
>KyoAni is dying
Thank You Based SHAFT/Dogakobo/Trigger
KnK sold like 5 or 6k, these are very good sales.
People have this idea that if something doesn't sell 10k it's a flop when things selling like Free are an exception.
Yes, Chu2 2nd season is selling worse than the first but this is common and the second season is also, in my opinion, inferior.
Tamako Garden was generally considered a huge KyoAni flop back in the day. Now the bar of success for KyoAni has dropped so low, that KnK is laud as a "success" for slightly higher sales by few remaining KyoAnifag in /a/.
>these are very good sales.
>very good sales
Better than average is not very good. Decent though i'll give you that.
KnK only sold that much because of event tickets and discount coupons.
>KnK sold like 5 or 6k, these are very good sales.
It sold more. KyoAni shop does not report any numbers. I bet they sold at least another 1k at least.
>MUH MISTIKAL KYOANI SHOP!!!.
All these excuses Kyoanus fans have for their shitty performance is hilarious.
so fucking desperate.
KnK Volume 2 stalker points:
Release Date: 2014-02-05
>caring about sales
The new cancer.
>I bet they sold at least another 1k at least.
Maybe a hundred at most, but no way 1k. Kyoanishop isn't some big retailer.
Shouldn't you be sucking Imaishi cock and enjoying nothing happening at all, week after week?
Confirmed for trolling.
Sales have been reported and discussed since at least 2009.
But it has a nice store bonus.
Kyoanifags this mad about facts.
>my KyoAni show can never do bad because the KyoAni shop sells 1000s of discs!
Yeah keep pulling fake figures out of your ass and calling people trolls for calling it out as the bullshit it is.
confirmed for being an obnoxious delusional fanboy
This is always the case where a fanbase gets tarnished by certain retards like you.
Fact of the matter is that kyoani shows have multiple outlets that do not report back on sales.
Lol. Now the real numbers pour in.
Fact of the matter is they don't matter because you have as much reason to assume they sold 0 copies as 1000s.
At least i have some reasonable arguments while you guys just keep screaming fanboy.
Didn't KnK sell out with all retailers in a matter of days?
You're thinking of NNB.
Reported numbers from Amazon, nothing more.
It was also reported that KnK sold like hot cakes at stores, so those figures aren't representative of sales total.
reasonable? what part?
The KyoAni shop?
Just how much are they selling?
The LN business?
Aside from Chuu2 and Free what of their LNs did well?
KnK selling 5-6k is good?
Then what do you say about this? >>101789119
Nice cherry picking retard fanboy.
There are no reasonable arguments being made by you.
You cannot prove any discs sold at all through their shop and are just assuming numbers that you like are the amount that sold.
At best you can say, that maybe somewhat under reported, the same goes for any other show though, the KyoAni shop is not the only one in Japan that does not report its sales to Oricon. You are acting like under reporting is something specific to KyoAni when its not at all.
No, that was KnK
That was just some KyoAnifag exaggerating.
>It was also reported that KnK sold like hot cakes at stores, so those figures aren't representative of sales total.
Don't you dare throw me that tweet by that bitch Keika cause that's just her talking about that shitty cash in KyoAni event.
Personally I think this season has been going downhill, their art style is slowly bothering me more and more too.
>decide to finally google fujoshi
what the fuck? really? people actually respond to posters who call everything fujoshit in every thread?
It sold 01巻 3,616(1,778) 4,368(2,156) 14.01.08 ※合計 6,524枚
6.5k on the first disc. They must have just not printed very many copies on purpose to make it look popular and build hype due to it being reported sold out.
Why send me that link it still doesn't change the fact that it was exaggerated. Try again ignoramus.
Animate reports to Oricon. You can't double-count that.
Yeah. Just look at those SP! It is corpse stumping any KyoAni show!
***,348位/***,390位 ★ (***,854 pt) [*,**7予約] 2014/03/26 ニセコイ 1(完全生産限定版)【イベント優先販売申込券付】 [Blu-ray]
Its already beaten munto.
Just you wait. It's gonna overtake that shitty Chuu2 sequel.
It wont beat Chuu22 or even KnK. Lets not forget that KyoAni also gets a way bigger share of the money for a show.
>talking about disc sales
>KyoAni fag starts talking about revenue splits that they have no real evidence for because they cant compete with SHAFT on sales
>It was also reported that KnK sold like hot cakes at stores
I can't believe someone can be this deluded.
If it sold out that much then how come the 2nd week didn't show that much of an increase?
>talking about disc sales
>Trolls starting to hate on KyoAni
Fuck off with your non-factual source.
Protip: Stop browsing that deluded fucktard megax' tweet
>posts that don't blindly agree with me and ask for evidence for my claims are trolls
I just watched episode 4 of the second season, Best Chuu2 episode ever.
more like the stock dropped when K-ON ended.
>implying sales have anything to do with your ability to enjoy whatever the fuck you want
>implying a declining sales average prohibits you from following shows from a certain company
>implying a different company is on the upwards means you should drop everything and go watch their shows
It's anime. It's designed for your entertainment. So let yourself be entertained and forget the rest.
And if you love it enough go buy the BDs.
SHAFTfags, rejoice that your company's products are selling well, you should be proud of your favourite company. Same goes to all other companies fanbases.
KyoAnifags, keep enjoying what you want to enjoy. Don't let numbers effect your ability to follow a company. Knowing that, despite the majority is growing sick of them, KyoAni is still pleased they have a fanbase that has stuck with them since Haruhi.
I know /a/nons love flinging shit, as I've seen with the SHAFT vs KyoAni wars over the years, but I seriously hope none of you are taking what people saying to heart and preventing you from enjoying what you want to enjoy.
I hope you didn't actually just type that out and its copypasta.
I'm on /a/ for fucks sake. I have nothing else to do with my life other than fap and sleep.
Go watch the new episode of precure.
>FujoAni is determined to destroy yuri.
>i don't know what yuri is.
It's not sales that bothers me. It's retarded fanbases that annoys me the most.
Them being so fucking vocal all the time saying as if every KyoAni shit is the second coming of Christ.
Now I'm just even more pissed that they still defend this piece of shit now that it's selling bad.
HOLY FUCK JUST SHUT UP.
0/10 troll made me reply
Except every studio has fans like that, idiot.
Why don't you just hide the threads?
autism levels are off the charts
It's clear that Kyoani wants to get into omnipandering. It's what has sold the most throughout history.
People who keep spouting "Fujoani" are retarded.
OP is a retard that also forgot to include the limited edition BD:
>**2,747位/**2,316位 ★ (***,389 pt) [*,**5予約] 2014/03/19 【Amazon.co.jp限定】中二病でも恋がしたい! 戀 (1) (初回限定版)(オリジナルブックカバー付き)[Blu-ray]
Which brings Chuu22 with range of 5 points of this season's topseller BD so far, Sonico (the one with the swimsuit figma, yeah). It will overtake Sonico within the next days and become the top seller this season.
That is all. Resume trolling.
Oh look, yet another "IT'S OVER KYOANI IS FINISHED" thread.
Yuri is a form of moe, its definition changes from person to person.
Free is a mere exception in a run of sub par performances relative to the KyoAni norm.
That still sells like shit so fuck off.
Oh, the same STALKER points that put volume 1 at 4k. Hahahahaha. When will you guys ever learn.
Oh well, it's good enough to pretend to be a retard to get a rise out of people, I guess.
And still better than any other studio. Cry harder..
Volume sales always drop disc on disc more likely to be 5.5-6k this time and drop more down to a probably mid to high 5k finishing point.
Also stalker figures are entirely irrelevant after first volumes anyway.
ITT: I like this thing, you shouldn't like that thing. Look here's a number and a graph.
Yeah, around 5k seems reasonable. I'll be interested to see how vol. 3 performs, as it's the one with the idol episode (and Mitsuki/Mirai character development - so a non-action volume, so to speak).
Must've been hard typing that with all those tears coming out of your eyes.
I can't say I really care as long as they score some hits every now and then and keep up the way they manage their productions and staff.
Kyoani's majority sales come from their own shop
My mindset as well.
I really don't care for the rest, as long as KyoAni can continue doing what they're doing and how they're doing it.
We have no numbers, so it's all speculation. Sure thing is, however, that they make the biggest profits with the stuff they sell through their shop, as distributors like Amazon demand hefty discounts from sellers, usually around 50% - so they can do their usual "25% off!" stuff and still make a lot of profit. Which means a BD sold through your own outlet at the same price nets significantly more profit.
So whatever they sell through their shop, you can probably take the number times two, in order to get a understanding how much of a profit it is in "regular" sales.
Second this. They made amazing shows, and the quality of animation is top notch. If they also continue to branch out into other genres, I have high hopes for them in the future. Can only be a win for the industry.
>do you think that KyoAni's selling power is in a considerably fast rate decline?
Just like the overall quality of their shows. If they bothered trimming the fat it would perform better. As KnK showed us, the fat is the only thing Kyoani's really interested in making.
I don't haremshit in my KyoAni.
Yeah, obviously they should stay away from the more stupid areas, but on the other hand, if they only make one harem show in two years, and five or six other shows in that time as well, I don't see much harm. As long as they don't zoom in on one genre and continue to diversify, I could live with it.
Though of course the trolls would be all over it, "KyoAni never sexualizes ..." and "I was a loyal fan and have been backstabbed" etc.
>five or six shows in two years
More like 2 or 3.
Look at 2013
And 2014 has Chuu2Ren, Tamako movie, AmaBri and most likely Free 2. They are doing more shows per year lately.
They do 1.8 shows per year since their beginning with the most ever in year being 2009/2013 with three.
>Amagi Brilliant Park will save KyoAni.
hopefully the comedy will be Fumoffu tier just like how they started their first TV series
I don't see much of a problem. Look at 2008 and 2010. Those are sales figures for the whole year. And now add both figures of 2012 - it's a better total than 2008. Then take the figures of 2013 - it's an equal value as 2010.
The only real slump was 2011, thank you, Nichijou. And still it was a great, entertaining show.
KyoAni's selling power has dropped since tomato market. Chuuni is a exception
>They do 1.8 shows per year
>taking an average
You are so stupid. It's horrible. If you calculate how fast you can run, you use your current ability, not an average starting at the time you began to walk.
You don't understand the data apparently.
Those are average disc sales of a single show for each bar. If you add 2012 together you need to divide it by two to make a yearly comparison in which case it is a worse performance than 2008 or 2010 by far.
>shitty non applicable analogies in the response to factual data
>calling others stupid
There's a new trend now though. 3 shows + movie per year.
go away, Kaoshin whatever
They made 3 shows once. That's not a trend its a spike.
>dropped since tomato market
>what is free
What's the purpose of this thread?
They'll do it twice with 2014.
There are 3 shows announced for 2014?
You can't call it a spike if it continues this year, and no end in sight. Retard.
Fucked if I know.
Now hurry, pick up some shit and continue flinging it at each other.
Chuu2Ren, Amagi Park and Free 2.
They only have Chuu22 and Free 2 this year confirmed though?
maybe KyoAni should tackle doing series starring adult women now
they seem to have a knack at it on every single title they have done
it could be a new niche they could carve and rediscover considering it feels like they have done everything with cute girls they could (besides explicit yuri)
and Amagi Park and Tamako movie
Since when was amagi park confirmed for 2014?
We already have Chuu22 and the Tamako movie, Free2 will most certainly be announced for summer and there's one mystery Takemoto project, which will be most probably ABP.
Source on Amagi being confirmed for 2014?
There was that tweet from a KyoAni insider who said that Takemoto will direct a show in 2014.
Takemoto will direct a project in 2014, it's pretty safe to assume it will be ABP.
Or maybe Haruhi S3? Yuki spinoff? More FMP?
So theres no confirmation at all?
Good to know that currently KyoAni are doing 2 shows this year only.
if Naoko Yamada loved Gou-chan so much, maybe KyoAni should let her do an original work that at the very least used her character design as a template for something completely different
I think it was said during CTFK 2013.
>maybe KyoAni should tackle doing series starring adult women now
Oh god please, yes. But they should never ever try to do an original story like knk again. They're fucking terrible at it.
You're such a funny troll, here, have a reply.
Didn't KnK follow the novels more than the likes of Chuu2?
>Just met and hugged Takemoto-san and Ishihara-san. Takemoto-san is excited about directing his own series next year. #CTFK #kyoani
There is no announcement of 3 shows in 2014. Stating facts is not trolling.
So this is the best source there is? No confirmation at all as i suspected.
I know ABP has already been announced and will probably be the one Takemoto does - but just theoretically, could ABP be scheduled for 2015 and Takemoto doing this Yuki-chan Haruhi spinoff some people were talking about?
If you are going to be this anal, then there's only Chuu2Ren and Tamako confirmed this year. The other two are very likely though.
I was under the impression free was officially confirmed for summer.
Well, it's not completely impossible, who knows.
Well, I don't see your reasoning anyway. You seem horribly butthurt and now you're in full damage control mode. You can pretend to understand nothing about the industry, but if you're not trolling, you're a diehard retard.
No, not yet. The only clue is a blog post by some KyoAni staff saying "summer will be even hotter this year".
>in full damage control mode
Stating facts is not damage control its being right.
Would /a/ explode if this were the case?
To be honest directing your own series next year could easily mean it is airing winter 2015 aswell.
Clearly, they are talking about the effects of global warming.
Every 'source' so far is ambigious as hell, so the only thing we can do is either shitpost some more or wait and see.
Exactly. Thanks for confirming that him being butthurt and in full damage control are facts.
You are a child.
>there are 3 kyoani shows and a movie next year
>oh wait they have actually only said there will be a show and a movie so far
>YOU'RE SO BUTTHURT BECAUSE YOU DON'T TAKE AMBIGUOUS BLOGPOSTS AND TWEETS AT FACE VALUE!!
i'd kill for more of her kind as main characters for a KyoAni series
Haruhi fanbase still seems strong, so probably yes.
Misstating facts is the only way you can calm your butthurt, it seems. Or maybe you're really retarded, let me help you there, kiddie:
>current output capacity of KyoAni is 3 shows and a movie. Proof: 2013
>rebuttal: statistically, from start to finish, the average is only 1.8 shows per year
If you refuse to see the retardedness of that alone, you're beyond help. But it continues:
>2013 was a spike! Proof: none
>rebuttal: there will be 3 shows and a movie in 2014 as well. Proof: the shows we know will come in the very next future, plus what we already have
You are now desperately trying to attack the last proof as being speculation, and you seem to imply it won't happen. Which is not only stupid, but it also ignores that the original claim "2013 was only a spike" has no proof whatsoever as well.
So how about you prove your claim that KyoAni does not have the ability to put out 3 shows a year, or at least prove that it won't happen again this year.
You are fucking retarded
>2013 was a spike! Proof: none
>rebuttal: there will be 3 shows and a movie in 2014 as well. Proof: none
This is correct.
No, the proof can be derived from what we see right before out eyes. And it already started. We already have two confirmed projects in two consecutive seasons. This is clear proof that KyoAni has the capacity of producing one project per season, just like 2013. There is no decline in productivity this year so far, as has been alleged.
This is pretty funny aswell. You seem to be butthurt as if I am implying your favourite studio is unable to produce 3 shows in a year which is clearly not the case, or an argument I have ever made. They did it in 2009 already aswell. It has nothing to do with abilty or that they cannot rather they just don't usually.
Wow look at that they did 3 shows in 2009 and went back down to 1 in 2010 and 2011? They must have lost huge amounts of capacity during that time you think then?
2010 and 2011 were two-cour shows - if you counted them as the same as a one-cour show, it's pretty clear where that stupid 1.8 shows claim originated from. And even if you say it's below three, you gave past occurences of three shows - so it clearly is not a "spike" in 2013, but rather the past one two-cour show years were a slump.
You now backpedaling and saying you never doubted they can put out 3+ shows a year is kinda satisfying. So if you accept that position, all is well.
Why are people so mad
Because KyoAni killed the anime.
Does it look like anything will average over 10k this season?
>it's pretty clear where that stupid 1.8 shows claim originated from
It originates from them making 18 shows in ten years. Its entirely accurate.
>you gave past occurences of three shows - so it clearly is not a "spike" in 2013
I don't think you understand the difference between a spike and a trend.
>rather the past one two-cour show years were a slump.
and I guess all the years before 2009 where they were making 2 or less shows were also a slump?
You really are retarded try pointing out where I have said they cannot.
At this point, nothing seems so. WCW was highest of all for whole week and it only has 1,5k points
Worst selling season ever. Not even last winter was this bad.
Its only going to get worse We're watching the crash of Anime, folks.
>18 shows in ten years
No, it's not. Clearly producing two seasons shows the ability to produce two shows. Not one show.
>I don't think you understand the difference between a spike and a trend.
That's exactly what you should tell yourself. Your "spike" claim makes no sense and has even been undermined by your own statements.
>and I guess all the years before 2009
Why don't you go even further back before they produced anything? That'll surely help your statistics. What is growth? What is expansion? You're such a retard.
>try pointing out where I have said they cannot.
>2 or 3 shows in two years.
>Clearly producing two seasons shows the ability to produce two shows
We are talking about shows in years not cours in years, stop moving goalposts.
>That's exactly what you should tell yourself
No it isn't see picture related. 2009 was a spike it went up above the line of trend then immediately went back down below it.
>2 or 3 shows in two years.
The claim being made is they make 2 or 3 shows in 2 years which is generally true based on past evidence. Not they cannot make 3 shows in 1 years those are completely different claims.
Wasn't there a graph showing the decline or rise of revenue, with color-coded sections for merchandise, BD/DVD and such?
>stop moving goalposts.
That's not moving goalposts, you retard. Ability to produce 26 epsidoes = ability to produce two shows.
>see picture related
You went full retard. It clearly shows a steady increase of productivity and completely negates the use of your average. And that's not even considering the flawed presumption of above mentioned point.
>The claim being made is they make 2 or 3 shows in 2 years which is generally true based on past evidence. Not they cannot make 3 shows in 1 years those are completely different claims.
The original claim was KyoAni could put out 5 or 6 shows in two years. You disputed this claim, citing what they did in the past. Nothing you presented showed that they do not posess the abiltiy. On the contrary, some of your arguments even clearly support this position. How about this: let's "replace five or six shows" with "five or six seasons" - it doesn't change anything in the original statement, but it completely destroys your position. inb4 moving the goalpost: it's just to show how utterly weak and ultimately retarded your claims are.
this picture gets me hard everytime
But will this sell? We all know the fickle otaku and its literally childish preferences.
>That's not moving goalposts, you retard.
Yes it is.
>It clearly shows a steady increase of productivity
It does indeed show that . It has nothing to do with the average though or the fact that the last time they went above 3 shows was merely a spike above the trend line. Given past performance you should expect just about 2 shows a year from KyoAni currently according to the data.
>The original claim was KyoAni could put out 5 or 6 shows in two years. You disputed this claim
I did not dispute that claim. Your logic is completely fucked. I stated that they make 2 or 3 shows in 2 years on average. Not that they CANNOT make 3 in one. Those are not the same at all. You are arguing against a position I have never taken.
>Nothing you presented showed that they do not posess the abiltiy.
No you are correct it doesn't and it never aimed to. You are yet to demonstrate where I said they do not possess the ability at several times I have even pointed out they have done it before. I don't even care if they do, the fact of the matter is they have never produced 3 shows a year with regularity. Any amount of arguing you can invest into this will not change that this is fact. The only time they have done this before was a temporary spike. It implies to me they prefer to take less projects on at a time to keep quality higher but are able to do more if they wish.
KyoAni is still the most relevant anime studio besides Ghibli.
Everyone, from Tumblr to 2ch to /a/, talks about their anime.
Remember all the hype for Kill La Kill? The projected 25k+ next TTGL? All of that turned out to be stealth marketing internet hype, as foreseen by its predicted sales barely pushing 10k.
The preview on youtube for KnK churned out 500,000+ views in 72 hours, and Free sold more than Lucky Star. KyoAni is not on any decline, it's quite amazing actually that they've garnered sales like this from adaptations of 4th-tier LNs; Imagine JC Staff adapting KnK. 800 BDs?
KyoAni = Godani
>not in any decline
>average sales in the last 3 years are half of what they are over the lifetime of the company
It's almost as if they're adapting material (or in the case of Tamako creating it) that has no built-in audience and are attempting to grow a stable light novel publishing sector of their company while being the Gensakusha and getting a much bigger slice of the profits.
>All of that turned out to be stealth marketing internet hype
No surprises here. /v/ was right! It is all just viral marketing!
>Yes it is.
No, it's not. It was always about ability. see further down
>the trend line
>Given past performance
And the trend shows a clear increase compared to past performance, thus negating your retarded stat(ist)ic average of 1.8 shows.
>I did not dispute that claim
>you are correct
NOW we're talking. The original position was a lookout to the future, based on KyoAni's ability of putting out five or six shows in two years. It was an outlook to the future in case they continue to diversify. This was made very clear.
You argued against it. You claim only two or three shows in two years are to expected. This is clearly a reaction to the FUTURE outlook. You also went on to cite a static average of 1.8 as basis for your claim, from which you now backpedal as well and increased it to "just over 2" - which again is just the current position and bound to increase if YOUR OWN graph is to be trusted.
I don't know why they would be viral marketing here on 4chan when the audience and sales are all to nips. Makes sense.
Dunno, Trigger is pretty western oriented, I even get their newsletter. Maybe it's a new trend, like Space Dandy, opening up to western audiences and tapping that cash.
Kyoani's quality has been in decline since they finished K-On, now they just try to pander normalfags
>the trend shows a clear increase compared to past performance, thus negating your retarded stat(ist)ic average of 1.8 shows
You really don't seem to have a strong grasp of how to use statistics.
>KyoAni's ability of putting out five or six
>You argued against it
No I didn't argue against their ability. You still haven't pointed out where I did. I said they only produce 2 or 3 shows every 2 years, not they cannot produce 3 a year. With an average of 1.8 that is pretty close to being entirely correct.
I'm done with this shit. You are arguing in circles and ignoring any points I make while still attributing arguments to me I never made. If you want to argue about ability talk to someone else because I never have been. There is no backpedaling going on. The average number of KyoAni shows a year is 1.8 that is a fact. The trend line shows based on past performance that currently you would expect 2.x shows a year. Their output is currently above their long run average. That does not give any reason you should justifiably expect it to stay that way. Just like 2009 it went up and then straight back down it may do the same or perhaps like 2005-2007 it will go up and stay there for a while. Not much else to be said here really.
Nisekoi is shit adaptation
dealt with it
he's talking about 2ch/2chan dumbass
It had pretty low amount of discussion in the threads before it aired. Less than KnK by far.
>You really don't seem to have a strong grasp of how to use statistics.
Go back to 1980 when KyoAni was founded, oh boy, no shows till 2003, the last ten years must be a spike, expect them to produce no shows at all in the coming years.
>You still haven't pointed out where I did
Already linked it above, retard. Discussion was about a possible time in the future when they continue to branch out and produce one harem show and 5 or 6 others in a two year timeframe. You replied: "more like 2 or 3"
Even this is already contradicted by your own graph that clearly shows a TREND
>I'm done with this shit
Yeah, same here.
>ignoring any points I make
No, I use your points against you. You contradict yourself all over the place, you keep citing averages that your own data shows as inapplicable, and now you claim you didn't understand what the original point was about. Maybe next time you make sure to read and comprehend what you reply to, it will save all of us a lot of time.
>since they finished K-ON
Since they started K-ON!
Nah, I don't really wanna see Clannad eyes ever again.
>Already linked it above, retard.
You can keep saying you did but you still haven't. Maybe you should take your own advice and
>make sure to read and comprehend what you reply to
If we were talking visuals then Kyoani would be getting better.
It will probably sell decent like most KyoAni does, but I can't see it selling near as well as the first season did. This season just isn't as good. Its just side character shenanagains and Rikka getting near zero screen time and half the time she does get is spent getting NTR'd.
In case you still don't get it, here's how it went:
>If they also continue
>As long as they [...] continue
This is clearly an outlook to the future.
>More like 2 or 3.
Hope this helps, idiot.
It doesn't. You clearly didn't read my reply properly and inferred things that were never there. Please try to improve your comprehension.
>all this backpedaling
No, kid, you can't get out of that anymore.
>I misunderstood your post therefore you are backpdaling
Enjoy being retarded and deluding yourself.
>jumps in discussion about what to expect from KyoAni in the future
>talks not about what to expect in the future
Yeah, right. Either you're backpedaling or you were retarded from the start.
>I misunderstood your post so you are retarded or backpedalling
It couldn't possibly be you now could it? Notice how I never defended the position you tried to attribute to me once.
KyoAni needs to go back to making Key Adaptations.
No, in communications it's generally the responsibility of the sender to make himself understood. You jumping into a discussion about one thing, making a statement about a different thing - this makes no sense. Your contribution to the discussion would be rendered pointless. So you should expect people to assume you're not a complete retard and to think you might actually talk about the subject on hand. It's a benefit of the doubt that was clearly misplaced with you.
>all this self delusion
Keep trying pal, you misunderstood my statement and when I informed you of that, still continued to purposefully misunderstand it to save face despite being informed you had incorrectly understood it.
JC Staff Little Busters was suffering
episodes 4 and 5 have been better than s1
also Rikka a shit
THose were the worst episodes actually. Shitty filler with no purpose.
>enjoying anime romantic comedies primarily for plot
What is this your 10th anime?
The adaption is the only good thing about Nisekoi.
Episode 5 was so bad. I'm a faggot for Taichi Ogawa, but this was one of the shittiest things Kyoani has done.
You don't know that either turbonerd, they don't report the sales of the KyoAni Shop
>As if their LNs are keeping them afloat. I bet only Chuu2 and Free sold well. Majority didn't even leave a mark
That's like half of them.
>I expect they're about to abandon that line of work in a few years or so when they realize none of it is making any progress.
They only animated these shows to promote their LN label, they had no need to make S2 of anything unless it sold and guess what, it sold. They are going back to adapting IPs from other companies, but not because they weren't successful with their own novels, but because that mission was already accomplished.
>Nice try KyoAni but you really can't do anything with all that shit you keep accepting.
>Also fuck you retards for denying that KyoAni wasn't hurt by Free. Sure they made more Fujoshi followers but at the same time they fucked up their existing fanbase.
How do you know what happened to their Japanese fanbase? And who cares if they lose a few pirates.
>Back then, whenever a KyoAni show is announced it stirs commotion and is the talk of the community, nowadays it's just a so-so news. Admit it.
Where were you when Free! was announced? Or when KnK was announced? Or when ABP was announced?
Yes, some volumes were even stolen.
Are any LN published by KyoAni bestsellers?
We have no way to know
Why? Don't they sell enough to get on one of those year end rankiings?
KyoAni first needs to get a decent amount of small hits so that they can get a contract to put their books into the big book stores. There are very few locations right now that sell KyoAni's LNs so they are still quite far from having any "bestsellers"
Because they don't report the sales of their web shop.
Wait, all the /a/non keep saying how much bank Kyoani is making from LN sales. The best seller lists cut off are only 100k~ or so.
No, no, no. KyoAni is making very little from the LNs themselves.
However, what they ARE making bank is that because they are "adapting" their own light novel series, they are thus the main investor in their series. So when something like Free sells 20+k they get a lot more money from the profits than they would have got if it were a Kadokawa or Key adaptation.
Them building up their LN sector is a long term goal, but the short term is making anime series and profiting off those LN titles.
This is looking to be the top 5 selling anime of Winter based on how everything has come to stagnate.
>1. Witch Craft Works
This is what I'm shocked at. No one even talks about this.
>Witch Craft Works
Wow really? I'd never had thought.
Dat WIT marketing.
Ranking-wise, WCW has really picked up lately.
KyoAni isn't viralling enough. Aggressive marketing is why garbage like Haruhi, Lucky Star, and K-On! sold so damn well. If anyone else did bullshit like Endless Eight they would get completely fucking shat on in sales. Even with adverts everywhere and cornering the fujoshi market, Free! still didn't average 30K. Meanwhile, Tomako Market, their first ORIGINAL series, underperformed and KnK's actual popularity will be measured in later volumes where they DON'T include an event ticket. KyoAni are great marketers, but they're hopeless when it comes to their product selling based on their name alone.
Shit season. Still im glad chu2shit is underperforming, the same will happen with gay swimming season 2.
I don't even watch the show, apparently from what I have heard you won't understand the jokes if you were not born and raised in Japan. But it's really for girls?
He just assumes that because it has a large male cast. Like most works outside of anime.
>the same will happen with gay swimming season 2.
HnR, a show with little to no buzz around it, is doing alright in the charts thanks to fujoshi. Free!, a show that has adverts in public places, is going to crush everything else that comes out in Summer 2014 unless SHAFT reveals themselves to make another Madoka series or something.
>their first original series
What is Munto?
Are you fucking retarded? Its a you must be this Japanese comedy, nothing fujo about it at all.
Gay swimming wasn't even the best selling fujoshi show of 2013.
God damn you're a faggot. Besides I.G's Haikyu!! is going to be then biggest fujoshi anime this year.
My fucking sides
>Free! still didn't average 30K
It's just under 30k though which is not bad at all. Lucky Star didn't average 30k either.
Whats the point supposed to be here?
Half the drawings are of the female character?
But it was. SnK isn't fujoshi. It's just normalfag shit.
It's in the top 5 of 2013. It sold well.
Because KyoAni is trying to go alone, they're getting no help and need to build all the publicity/distribution/publishing channels from scratch. That's why their LNs aren't in any major stores or even Amazon. That's also why all the marketing we seem so far looked so amateurish.
This move to own their own IP isn't new - Ghibli and Toei were both made such successful moves - but simply premature for KyoAni and way too dangerous a business move.
Free! is the best selling show of 2013 that didn't have any fanbase before the anime, this is a fact.
33,545 Uta no Prince-sama Maji Love 2000%
Free! is yaoishit while UtaPri is otomeshit.
>Free! is the best selling show of 2013
I know you're trolling you just can't be that stupid.
Never heard of otomeshit?
Besides the fact that Free is technically a sequel, the title will almost certainly goes to Love Live! instead.
Nobody in Free fucked or kissed.
Why don't you just read the whole sentence?
>that didn't have any fanbase before the anime
>that didn't have any fanbase before the anime
The LN was published AFTER the anime. There was no fanbase before the anime.
And LL got hyped years before the anime by Sunrise.
Hmmm yeah all those views the youtube promo got months before and they hype on the internet certainly didn't build a fanbase before the anime was released at all right? Nobody had ever heard of Free! before the anime just suddenly came on their screens.
I wish Kyoani fans would shut up and stop force hyping their small time studio. There's multiple studios who had a better year than they did last year. A-1 and I.G off the top of my head
SHAFT for another.
I reckon you can throw them up there as well. I just wish they would stop relying on mono and madoka.
>didn't have any fanbase before the anime
Sasuga KyoAnus lickers.
There's a difference between hype and fandom. It's a like a movie trailer, you've got to release something so people know your product is coming out. People knowing about your product is hardly a fanbase, the fanbase only forms once the show is released and people can make their judgment about the show.
You are really stupid.
I repeat myself.
What the point of this thread?
The point of this thread is /a/ trying to mimic /v/'s console warring.
Then why mods won't delete this shit?
Where is Log Horizon?
But that's incredibly wrong. Get back to me when they surpass the greatest looking tv anime of all time.
5-7.5k sales is pretty good for an anime which is KyoAni's own intellectual property. That's still profitable.
Do you know what opportunity cost is?
Chuu2 is just shit. No amount of directing and animation can save shit
You're doing it wrong. This is clearly a troll thread, nobody cares.
IT'S OVER, KYOANI IS FINISHED!
See? That's how it's done.
The internet is filled with market analysts. People who tell Nintendo to develop iOS games and think Microsoft should dump Windows Phone and fork Android.
In that case Free! is profitable too.
Came out and sold 3.6k.
Obviously... Its the 7th best selling LN adaptation of all time.
Since the Chuu2 BD count just overtook the one of Sonico with a total of over 3,000 (OP forgot the limited edition BD for Chuu2) and is thus the most pre-ordered show of the season, it just seems that it's a weak season. I mean, so far it's the top-selling show, so I don't see any decreasing appeal. They definitely cut back on the advertising, but it seems to work out if even something like Tamako Market gets a follow-up project. And considering that marketing was a big factor where Kadokawa broke Nichijou's neck, it's not surprising they tread softly with their own projects.
inb4 NO IT'S SHIT KYOANUS ANUS PENIS FUCK
How the fuck do you read these ?
asterisks fucking everywhere
Where does all the hate for KyoAni come from? Why do trolls focus so much on this studio? Just because "moe killed anime"? Or are they just tsundere?
It's more of a sequel.
Its counted as an adaptation in all the lists I ever see. Whatever you want to call it though its the 7th best selling anime to come from an LN franchise.
Mostly to watch the remaining few kyoanifags grasping at straws.
Don't forget that KyoAni is gonna surpass itself with Amagi Brilliant Park
Much better than I thought, not bad.
The newest monogatari killer? Someone start the hype chain.
(2009) 78,671 Bake
(2012) 60,580 Nise
(2013) 44,723 Monogatari SS
(2006) 42,525 Haruhi
(2012) 35,879 SAO
(2011) 33,813 IS
(2013) 29,433 Free!
(2010) 23,888 Oriemo
(2011) 21,814 Horizon on the Middle of Nowhere
(2013) 21,789 IS 2
Counting by franchise its the 5th best performing LN franchise ever in anime.
Isn't Fate/Zero a LN?
KyoAni is clearly changing their strategy and trying to break off into original works.
Kyoukai no Kanata and Tamako Market weren't anywhere near as strong as K-On, Hyouka, Haruhi, etc.
And nobody asked for Chuunibyou S2.
Yeah but they don't seem to want to allow it in the main list for some reason. Maybe because its kind of popular because of a VN aswell? It's in its own separate one below the actual one along with Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse.
So it's just the usual "you're favorite show is shit kill yourself you have shit taste" rants. Okay then.
They are former KyoAni fans who just can't get over Free being a thing.
KyoAni will rise from the ashes and become stronger than we can possibly imagine.
Man, you should look at Gainax, that studio is almost burned up. KyoAni sold more in the last year alone than Gainax in the last ten years combined, and that included TTGL and PSG. Sometimes I really wonder how some of the studios manage to get by. Probably by getting hired to help out with backgrounds and in-betweens, maybe, and I don't see KyoAni having any problems getting work in that regard.
They get paid to produce the anime by owners of LNs who want to advertise their stuff. The disc sales for most adaptations are irrelevant to the studio. They make money either way.
Yeah the truth is KyoAni probably rich as fuck right now.
They sell out all the merchandise at every event they host
They are still important, even if a studio does not profit directly from them. High sales mean future committees will give a studio a higher budget or choose it to make their anime.
So Log Horizon is over the Manabi Line.. im so happy about it because it deserv a 2nd Season so much
>High sales mean future committees will give a studio a higher budget
Why would it mean that? What is the reason to give a higher budget if a studio already gets high sales without one? Your logic makes no sense.
>choose it to make their anime
Still this is assuming the sales are even cared about. Anime like Maria Holic that have failed still get second seasons and I am assuming that is purely because they want more advertisement or things like Hajime no Ippo that dont sell shit keep getting new seasons.
I wouldn't be too excited by that being at the Manabi line gives you a under 1/3 chance of a sequel approximately it seems
Saying that I am pretty sure Log Horizon gets funding from some other source and the sales don't matter too much.
What is sequel percentage?
You either get a sequel or you not
Manglobe will close their doors before Gainax. Mark my words. SamFlam might be the last we saw of them.
Its obviously the percentage chance of getting a sequel given any number of average disc sales. So he has taken the data looked at how many discs sold and then if it got a sequel or not and worked out the probability from that with which any given show will get a sequel for any given level of disc sales.
But then they have to bear all the cost of making the show as well. This time, no production company is gonna share the cost with them. Thus, if the break even point does not meet, they'll be in bigger hole than other studios getting paid for adaptation.
They are the executive producer, not the sole producer
They are pretty much going alone. Making original content is a high risk - high reward venture. A studio pretty much has to have a few a break out franchises to milk over time in order to keep that practice going. I don't think a Kyoani executive can look at the sales of 2013 and the potential in 2014 and think Free can pay for everything. This year will be tough for the studio.
Exactly, it's a big time risk. However, it's one that pretty much only KyoAni is in a position to make. They have a lot of freedom and thus have a lot of risk as well.
Koe no Katachi - Animated by KyoAni
Stronker than I thought.
As expected of KyoAni.
>They are pretty much going alone.
Pay attention to the sponsors, you still see the usual suspects Lantis & Pony Canyon
Free doesn't have to pay for everything when Chu2koi also sold above 15k
That's S1. S2 looks like it will have a 50% drop compare to the first season.
50% is a big drop for a sequel, isn't it?
>This year will be tough for the studio.
I don't see it. Chuu2 tops the list, and though it will definitely sell less than S1 (which is pretty much to be expected from a sequel), it's still one of the top performers this season. Free2 will also be easy money - even if you consider a 50% drop here as well. Fall will be a Kadokawa adaption, so as you said, they get paid anyway. I don't see any problems at all for 2014.
But when you compare it to other original anime by other companies, they are getting a small amount of sponsors. Look at the credits for Nagi no Asukara or Kill la Kill for example, you'll see Kadokawa, Aniplex, and many other big companies there taking credit and thus taking money. KyoAni's sponsors haven't really increased from their previous works, but still we don't know how much Lantis, TBS and Pony Canyon trusts them to give them a big amount of money.
Which is why low sale figure like this is alarming. Chuu2 is not supposed to look like tamako market or KnK.
While Tamako's movie is mostly a money burning venture (looking at all that quality visual), they are making the Chuu2 movie as well. Low sale for the TV series really puts doubt on the movie's prospect.
Chuu2ren will probably still pay for itself
Stalker had S1 projected at 10k.
The Amazon exclusive LE along with the normal LE Bluray editions sort of poach stalker points from eachother. It also consistently in the top 10 at HMV (one of the largest retailers in Japan for video sales).
It will drop, but I'd guess more in the 25-30 percent range rather than 50. It'll average above 10k.
The Chuu2 movie was released around October last year
>we don't know
I think this sums up the thread quite nicely.
>i'd kill for more of her kind as main characters for a KyoAni series
This sounds good then. I had hoped S2 would sell around 10k.
>While Tamako's movie is mostly a money burning venture
Tell us more. Did your dad work at the KyoAni shop or something? That's the big question: why would they make a follow-up project for their lowest selling franchise if it doesn't give a profit (or at least breaks even)? I mean, that's basically elementary school logic, but people assume KyoAni is too stupid to understand basic math.
I think it may also have to do with Yamada. She's a trusted director and very capable, so maybe they let her do as she wished even if there wouldn't be much profit.
KyoAni treats their employees so well
They thought they would have money to spend so they put some aside for their pet project. Not a really big deal since some big studios have done that. But that was before they knew KnK and Chuu2 Ren have performed less than expected.
I doubt it will average above 10k.
So you say they made a loss and were taking up a project that was sure to be a loss, because they said "fuck it, we'll burn money, but what could possibly go wrong?"
That's kinda impressive - if true. Please state your sources before I believe you. No offense.
That's fine. I'm sure you also doubted that Kyoukai no Kanata could sell 6.5k
Do you know how many fucking times they tried with Munto?
Kyoani does whatever the hell Kyoani wants to do.
More power to them. They have so much money it doesn't even matter
Hideaki Hatta was one of the initial investor for Production IG. He must've been rich before he even founded Kyoani
>people continue to be this buttblasted over a fucking anime company
There is no such thing as bad publicity
Are you new to the world where artists want to make what their love instead of what will make them richer? Of course there is no inside source to tell you that. But looking from the outside, you know that that the numbers does not compute. Tamako is a losing franchise. Putting more money into it is irrational and that irrational logic can be explain by the irrationality of the artists, rich ones in this case, themselves.
Not that guy but what numbers? You know partial sales from oricon and none of the production costs.
I'm sorry, but the only irrational thing I see is your post.
We are not going back to the Tamako Market sale debate again
So far nothing from this season looks like it will break 10k for first volume.
Yeah, it's gotten to the point where half the board only knows KyoAni and SHAFT when asked for anime studios, thanks to the everlasting studio wars instigated by shitposters.
We don't have to. All I ask you is what numbers you refer to.
Of course not, because we don't know them. It's just stupid to assume irrational decisions when others assume rational decisions. Apply Occam's Razor and you will see which one is left.
KyoAni is the greatest
>kyoani decided to produce ome of its employees works to encourage creativity hoping it pays off in the future
>weebs lose their shit
>kyoani goes back to making shitty adaptations
Winter season, nobody spends money during the winter season.
The greatest looking TV anime of all time is Astro Boy 2003. I don't think there has been a TV anime with better animation so far.
I can only really praise KyoAni for the way they treat their staff. They do important things to ensure the animators aren't working too many hours and pay them a fair wage.
But aside from that, KyoAni have never been that great. AIR, Kanon and Clannad were all good but most of that is down to Key. Haruhi 2006 was good but I didn't like the fact that they used Haruhi 09 and Disappearance as a vessel to push their special snowflake art style for which everything afterwards seemed to contain.
To me they're no different from JC Staff, they'll do some adaptions you'll like and some which you'll think are totally shit. Only JC Staff has done adaptions in the past 5 years I actually care about.
KyoAni should drop the pale K-ON style and go back to animating Key's works. Re:Write has been out for a while now, you know what to do KyoAni.
Maybe, but he said "best looking", and I have to agree.
KyoAni is pretty awesome, I hope they continue their path and one day conquer the whole anime industry, and we will look back and say "Hey, remember when people thought KyoAni was finished?" and laugh nervously and change the topic, because else the secret moe police might kick down our doors and arrest us for talking about the pre-moenopoly times.
I for one, welcome our moe overloads
I am watching that at the moment shit looks great. I don't think many on /a/ will have seen it though.
I don't really think Hyouka was good looking. If anything it was really cheesy and OTT.
No, you are cheesy and OTT.
Hyouka looked fantastic
Fantastically cheesy maybe. They could have picked a more interesting setting to flex their animation muscles but I'm beginning to wonder if they're actually possible of working outside the high-school setting.
They tried that with Munto look what happened.
>KyoAni is pretty awesome, I hope they continue their path and one day conquer the whole anime industry, and we will look back and say "Hey, remember when people thought KyoAni was finished?" and laugh nervously and change the topic, because else the secret moe police might kick down our doors and arrest us for talking about the pre-moenopoly times.
I never consider KyoAni as making 'moe' stuff. 'Moe' has very different connotations to me and is miles away from school girls eating cake.
What has the setting to do with a fantastic look? If anything, it goes to show what they were able to do with a mundane setting.
I liked the show, and even I didnt think kyoani could find a way I was wrong though
somewhere in the back of my mind, I think Ishidate wanted to do KnK starring a bunch of adult females that were in the show
Yeah, me too. And I think it was a step into the right direction - at least according to my tastes. It had a lot of adults, some even pulling the strings - a great step from shows that are entirely centered on the kids. Also, the school was a rather minor setting, most of the scenes and pretty much all of the action was away from school.
So I hope they continue this. A show with some (young) adults as heroes would be nice.
Kyoani should hire better writers, urgently.
Sounds pretty much exactly like what the anti-moe crowd sounded like around here in 2008.
They don't need to hire any writers when they have a bunch of contest entries that they could adapt. Much cheaper option.
And shittier too.
I think they should hire anons, they know exactly what to do.
They should also hire anons as financial advisors.
KyoAni is doing everything wrong and needs some anons to explain to them how it's done correctly.
Right, but when you can take something that's as fucking awfully written as K-ON and sell 40k copies on average per volume, then it's not like good writing is particularly necessary for the original source that they're adapting.
I would work for GodAni for free.
I can make tea and buy cake for Yamada and Horiguchi
I would beat up unruly fujoshi at Free!-events for them. I would even bring my own traffic cone.
Yozakura Quartet last season.
Why would they be at Free events?
I'm actually watching that right now. It has pretty good animation, but not even close to the best
Probably because they like the two shittiest Free characters.
because they are free, duuh
Dunno. I was just kidding anyway. I don't even own a traffic cone.
The best is Nichijou
GodAni has been dead for a couple of years. Hopefully this will be a wakeup call for them to make good anime again.
Madhouse best studio, all people with good taste agree
There was that myth that KyoAni could never fail, "failing" in their case was producing a show that would sell under 10k. Somehow this legend arose when they had a string of hits that other studios can only dream of. If anything, they are now "getting real", having some shows that do well, others that only do average, sometimes a bigger hit. That's really all there is. Look how people consider Tamako Market a flop, other studios would be happy if their lowest seller in a year would achieve these numbers. It's not really a decline, it's business as usual for an animation studio. In KyoAni's case the perception is just flawed due to a string of hits right at the start.
Madhouse a shit. Go read some Marvel comics, you white devil.
>Madhouse is shit
I don't even care about the rest of what you said
>Diamond no Ace
You're a faglord, faglord
If SHAFT sells so much, then how come all their anime still looks like shit compared to KyoAni?
Even Madoka and Whatevertheshitgatari were at 720p.
Because all the money Shaft makes goes to Aniplex, whereas most of the money KyoAni makes goes back to KyoAni
Why is shaft so stupid then?
That's just the norm for most anime studio, it's how they've done business for years.
KyoAni is just ahead of the curve
Isn't Madhouse bankrupt? Or was a few years ago? I remember them being bought by a TV station or something, after lot's of troubles with cancellation of movies and such.
It's cause all their directors, Dezaki, Kon died from cancer
They were cursed by anime gods for partnering with baka gaijins
No idea, but they've been releasing anime every season pretty consistently I think. Diamond no Ace is airing now, and it's by Madhouse
It was bought up in February 2011, after a lot of their shows tanked.
>Madhouse Studios has been in financial difficulty since the Lehman Shock in 2008 and having a deficit in two consecutive quarters. The studio's third-quarter deficit in 2010 was two billion yen. Nihon TV will send managing directors to Madhouse and reconstruct the studio using their content management tactics.
Just wait until Haruhi S3 is announced next year.
Were KyoAni ever good? Not really, they just had a good enough marketing department to make money from very average LN and SOL Manga adaptions.
It's not really about how many BDs they sell, there's no real money in BDs in anime, it's all about the merchandise. KyoAni make shitloads of money from figures and other chara goods, and they sell a lot of them from their own store, eliminating the middleman.
Give any other studio KyoAni money and they'll seriously step up their animation game too - SHAFT being a good example.
>saving a troll thread from being purged
>doing KyoAni-SHAFT nonsense
Nice troll bump.
It's a good comparison
Aniplex fund, distribute and market a load of SHAFT series. Kadokawa Shouten does the same for KyoAni.
KyoAni is a slave to Kadokawa Shouten. Kadokawa owns the rights to Lucky Star, Haruhi...virtually everything KyoAni make.
That's why they're the 'biggest studios'. Because they have massive financial and marketing brunt. The only difference is that Aniplex has A1, so they don't control SHAFT as much as Kadokawa Shouten controls KyoAni.
Also both are guilty of the stealth marketing shit back in 09-11 (and probably still today). So much so that 2ch had to write a personal warning on the site and open2ch was created.
But KyoAni strayed away from this model and is now more independent, or at least aims to become. If anything, SHAFT is more of a slave, as they even have a competing slave in A1.
Yes, this. I remember being astonished at Love Lab's quality.
No they haven't, they're still tightly under the thumb of Kadokawa Shouten.
So the KyoAni trolls might actually be SHAFTfags in a literal sense - paid by SHAFT to shit on the competition? That would explain the rabid threads here sometimes.
Kadokawa haven't been on the production committee for KyoAni shows since Hyouka(they should be back for Amagi though), nor were they the only major entity. K-ON had Pony Canyon instead, for instance.
Well it's either that or they really are autistic retards that try to hate on one of the best studios in the industry.
Dogakabo works aren't all that consistent in terms of quality, but poaching Masayuki Nonaka from J.C. Staff did wonders to the animation of their shows. He's doing good work there.
Production comitee doesn't matter. They own the rights to K-ON, they owned the rights to K-ON before it was even an anime.
No, the Aniplex/Kadokawa Shouten sutema (stealth marketing) is a very different topic with its own drama and conspiracy. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with here.
KyoANi is pretty much the best animation studio out there. I also don't see Chuu2Ren "stuck in a limbo" - what does this even mean? Whenever a preorder thread gets posted (there's one right now) it ranks in the top 5 shows, which means there are consistent sales. Not sure what you try to imply here, OP.
A-1 has to compete with other studios for the contracts as well, they don't get a free lunch.
Sales != quality
No, but A1 also specialize in TV anime originals because they learned from Madoka that there is a lot of money to be made when you're the studio AND the holder of rights and IPs
>A1 also specialize in TV anime originals
Yeah, I don't get it either. It's as if they want to see the studio fail - why? Because it's not their favorite brand of anime? Because they hate "moe"? Or why they had these massive successes at the start, making fans of other studios envious? I don't get it. They deliver high quality that makes me even enjoy stuff I usually avoid (like K-On, e.g.)
Quality = quality and KyoAni animation is topnotch quality
Only a complete retard would deny the quality of KyoAni. You may not like their shows, but that's your subjective problem.
I don't have the guts to read a 489-post thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff here:
I think Chuu2 Ren has some questionable moments in terms of QUALITY. It's not so terrible that it detracts from one's enjoyment of the episode, but the character designs definitely took a turn for the worse.
The character sketch comparisons between S1 and S2 that was floating around shows this best. The faces are more oblong, the chins more pointy, the feet thinner and proportioned oddly at time. Hell, some of the screenshots posted in these threads are very awkward looking.
Normally this wouldn't be a problem, but considering that Chuu2 is one of their biggest money cushions (S2, movie, more lite, all those events) you'd think they'd invest more in making it look at least as good as season one.
A1 started in 2006
from 2006 to 2010 (4 years) they had 2 anime originals
from 2010 to present day (3 years) they created 9 originals
Well, if you say so it must be certainly true, even though they do their own IPs now. Greeting to your dad at KyoAni (or Kadokawa).
I'm gonna need a source for your claim.
>A 20 million dollar yen deficit
The fuck? Since when do studios spend that much money?
You haven't even posted a source for your claim that KyoAni have left Kadokawa Shouten
Where is this from?
They were never a part of Kadokawa
Try looking at the production committees for all their post-Hyouka shows. There's no mention of Kadokawa at all.
It looks about the same as the first season? Their production schedule seems as good as the first's with most episodes having less than 10 key animators credited.
production comittee != rights owner
KyoAni make polished turds
You're pretty fucking stupid, anon.
What does that have to do with who you quoted?
And you're a filthy casual
What do you think the payoff is supposed to be for the production committee then? It's the rights that they will get in return for investing into the project. Next time go read up on how anime is made first before spouting nonsense.
And the rest of the industry just makes turds.
GODAni wins once again.
because the second they stopped adapting peoples work (after hyouka) their shows went to utter shit
prove me wrong, you cant
KyoAni makes anime for niwaka kids. When the trend passes and they die out, nobody is going to be impressed by the shit they make.
Bummer, I just recently saw a screenshot of WUG with one girl having a pointy chin that looked like attached at an angle to her face, more like some kind of weapon. So maybe it's a trend in the industry.
No, seriously, I couldn't see that much of quality drop. What I found is this:
Proof that they still overanimate things. Forced animation, as they call it. ("They" being the judges of quality: anons)
Haven't seen this word in a while.
Why would I prove you wrong when I agree?
I wouldn't call them shit though, they're just dull.
because most people on /a/ are niwakas and didn't want to believe in it.
You can't even prove your own point.
And compared to Hyouka, all other studios can pack up and walk away into the ocean.
>I wouldn't call them shit though, they're just dull.
Man, I just wanted to say the same about you. Must be some sort of hive mind.
Wait, people really believe Hyouka is that good?
No studio will make an anime as good looking as Hyouka ever again.
Except KyoAni when they do ABP
Hopefully KyoAni changes the character designs for Amagi as the original designs kinda suck.
I hope the dark streaks that I understood to be present in the material will be prominent.
Brand me as edgy, I don't care, that's how much of a rebel I am.
They just need to get Nishiya as character design again
Aria looked better IMO
If it's made alongside Free! S2, I wouldn't count on Nishiya showing up.
All these delusional kyoani fags thinking their studio is immortal.
ever heard of gainax? these motherfuckers made one of the most successful anime of all time, with sales and impact that put both shafts and kyoanis best shows combined to shame
as studio with a lineup like that died.
kyoani has never made a show anywhere near the level of any of those.
The world of Aria has a distinct and wonderful design, but the production levels of Hyouka are obviously much higher.
Aria with Hyouka's budget would have been a sight to see.
It takes more than budget alone to make a show look good.
Funny you bring that up, there was mention of Gainax before:
Gainax was always dysfunctional as fuck. People getting to jail for tax evasion, producers resigning because of comments against otaku.
They were fuckups through and through.
KyoAni are 100 times more disciplined and organized than Gainax.
Finally this shit thread will die
Old Gainax is a truotaku studio. too bad they suck now.
Well, it wasn't too bad. Once again it was proven that KyoAnikis are distinguished gentlemen whereas the irrational hatebase consists of brainless drooling trolls.
Nah, Aria didn't need high production animation, that would have just wrecked it's simple beauty. Too much animation distracts from the rest of the show.
Most of KyoAni is female
This is a lesson worth repeating
I know what you mean, I think it's more than fine as it is.
I was referring to us KyoAnifags with that term. The older brothers of KyoAni who step up whenever someone talks shit about our imouto.
43064 ** K-ON!
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29146 12 Lucky☆Star
24808 *8 CLANNAD
24346 *6 AIR
19052 *8 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu ("New Animation")
19884 *8 CLANNAD AFTER STORY
17253 *8 Kanon 2006
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*4833 *7 Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid
***** *5 Sora wo Miageru Shoujo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai (Munto TV)
did chuu2 sell less than AIR?
So Free! would be third highest ever. Kinda okay.
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*7445 *6 Kanokon
*7345 *9 To LOVE-Ru -Trouble-
*7135 *9 Soukyuu no Fafner
*2811 *9 Busou Renkin
*2208 *4 Tales of Eternia THE ANIMATION
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*1521 14 ZOIDS
*1443 *9 Elemental Gelade
*1408 *6 Mnemosyne: Mnemosyne no Musume-tachi
*1364 *8 Stellvia of the Universe
*1228 13 Heroic Age
*1080 *6 Hitohira
***** 12 The Third ~Aoi Hitomi no Shoujo~
***** *7 ZOMBIE-LOAN
***** *9 Over Drive
***** 16 Shaman King
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***** *7 Petopeto-san
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15448 12 Gintama
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