Wow a show that actually ended quite well for once. Also the music was pretty dope for a show set in the pre-meiji period.
I hope you realized the show was stylized right? Like, not historical? It even says that on the first episode.
I also found it pretty good, way better then what I expected it to be.
I've got this on my backlog and might as well ask here: what are opinions on the dub of this?
OP here I watched the dub version, I'd say it's of good quality. Also there are some Jap characters that do hip hop and shit so they good full nigger it's pretty funny just hearing it like that in English.
go full nig*
Typed that way too fast
The quality is on par with Bebop so if you liked that you'd like this.
>All of the three main characters should've died three times over due to injuries, blood loss, or the opposition in front of them.
>Completely stop with the semi-realistic theme they've kept to this point and let all of them live happily ever after
>actually ended quite well for once
At least they didn't have some three way marriage and open a teahouse
I still don't understand what the fuck happened when Mugen beheaded that guy with his own sickle.
You don't understand how he did it?
Even after all those years I still can't get over the intro song, such a shame Nujabes died.
Some days, some nights...
say what you want but Watanabe knows what music fits his projects.
True that brother
I used to watch Champloo with my gf before we broke up, whenever I hear those songs it remind me of her. It's probably the reason I can't rewatch the show even though I desperately want to.
Fuu actually looked a bit like her.
You couldn't pay me to give a shit.
Not your blog.
there's a certain melancholy with the whole thing in the end. They all go their separate ways
Fuu died on the way back to to pissing off some bandit, and not having someone to save her.
Mugen went back to his old ways, ended up homeless and drunk. Died young
Jin went back to his prostitute waifu, opened up his own dojo and lived a long and successful life.
sounds about right
but what happened to Mugen's ninja waifu
>Mugen's ninja waifu
Never saw him again.
Forgot about him in about a week.
What happened to the gay assassin that was supposed to meet Jin again? It kinda irked me how they just forgot about the guy.
Damn right it was melancholy, you could tell none of them wanted to separate but what else where they supposed to do?
was that the old faggot?
get on the boat together like that creepy artist and go overseas
Well he said his client died so he no reason to kill him, so he just left.
But the artist was denied access into Holland. Besides 3 Japs in anywhere but Japan in the Edo period would either be dead or slaves.
>They all go their separate ways
Mugen and Fuu should have stayed together.
They implied the fuck out of that pairing and Mugen was literally ready to die to save her life.
Jin works pretty well on his own, and had made prior commitments.
We all agree that Jin would have killed Mugen, right?
fantastic ED. personally always fucking hated the OP though
Probably. Jin can adapt like a master.
Nah Fuu would have interfered some how, those exist on this ethereal stalemate thanks to her.
>Not being murdered a few hours after she left Mugen and Jin
But Mugen is pretty damn smart when it comes to fighting himself, he did teach himself how to use chi to an extent in his fight with Shoryu.
Mugen consistently did worse against opponents they both fought.
He's an inferior swordsman with a flawed style.
>he did teach himself how to use chi to an extent in his fight with Shoryu.
Which he promptly forgot, because he's a barely literate moron.
The theme is pretty consistent. Did you consider Mugen windmilling about and killing upwards of 50 soldiers realistic?
The ending is bittersweet, they don't stay together, but the implication is maybe they'll see each other again. It's a good ending.
How would a guy like Shoryu have done against the hand of god? If I recall the stuff he was doing was unheard of by most people in their lands and he was dropping master swordsmen left and right. If not for timing and dumb luck he definitely would've killed mugen.
It wasn't unheard of in Japan. The monk they were staying with said that the Japanese had their own variant of the same shit Shoryu was using, they called it the armor piercer. It may have been rare but he wasn't all that unique. I think somebody like the hand could've thrashed him. He'd probably do better against the blind woman.
Yeah OP I thought the ending was good, I had this bad feeling they'd try shipping the characters and making an awkward love triangle which would have ruined it. But they kept well with what they did.
I'm they didn't, you don't need romance everywhere.
Fights at the end were bullshit and devolved into both of the main characters doing random asspulls to force a happy ending down the player's throats. They should've both died.
sad as it may be, perhaps the series ended as it lived. Somewhat incomplete
Jin's path to victory lies in the willingness to make an emotional decision to sacrifice himself. Mugen, meanwhile, actually has to think about his attack. Both of them have to do exactly the opposite of their personalities.
Character development =/= Asspull.
>tfw kinda hope Watanabe arranges another season after Space Dandy
I know he should do something fresh eat time but I certainly wouldn't pass the chance to watch more of it.
The last episode ED was great too.
He's done Jazz/bebop twice now, one time hip hop. What's next?
Probably muddy delta Blues, he hinted it a few times in Bebop (like with the Harmonica episode).
Or neo 80s
Actually, the ending was shit.
Not as as Shiki no Uta, but still good
But damn guys. Champloo was 2004. Almost 10 years since airing
So who can we agree on that is the strongest character in the champloo universe? Sara (blind chick) or the gay assassin? Do you guys think the gay assassin would have killed Jin if his client didn't die?
Also, this fucking episode was amazing.
i'd take some wild west or deep south in space style show with delta blues.
It was decent, but not Bebop-tier.
Not shit, but I would never use it, because atmosphere. Something's really fucking weird if everyone is talking English in Japan.
While I consider Bebop to be a better series, I find Champloo more fun and rewatchable, if that makes any sense. Awesome soundtrack, this introduced me to Nujabes.
Ukon could kill both of those guys without much difficulty.
But Mugen killed him, Sara took out Jin and Mugen and she would of actually killed him the second time they fought until she realized her son had been dead for years. I guess it really depends on the match up.
>tfw you downloaded this last week and watched the entire thing in a week
>the two shows I have left on my computer to watch are Kemonozume and Another
They're not going to be as good as Champloo, are they?
This scene was fucking awesome. So brutal.
Oh shit, watch Kemonozume. Now.
Another is great for the comedic elements.
I don't think he could. It's an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object type of argument. They were each others ying and yang in martial terms.
does anyone have the pie gif?
No, not even close.
Ukon is really kind of a powerhouse in Samurai Champloo--Mugen beats him more through trickery than outright fighting skill. Not to take away from the victory, because he did win, but Ukon's speed, agility, and power exceed Mugen's substantially. If anything, I think he can match Sara blow for blow.
My dick would explode for some hard cyberpunk neo 80s anime out of watanabe
oh man that'd be nice.
I'm tired of western pandering Miyazaki baby shit.
What do you guys think Watanabe will do next?
I thought they made it pretty clear that Sara is probably the strongest warrior in the Champloo universe. The only one who comes close is Ukon but Sara's predictive strength would be pretty strong against him.
Who was that again?
Also I thought Kariya was the strongest one.
It's hard to say. The series he's directed are pretty eclectic.
I remember reading this article in a magazine ages ago, it wasn't Watanabe but some director was planning to create an anime adaption of 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?', his studio were preparing everything to start in 1984 and have it done it a couple of years. Then Scott made Blade Runner in 1982 and they scrapped it. And on top of that Akira came out so they never brought the project up again.
Inuyaka is his name. He was so mysterious when they fought, towards the end he declared he would finish the fight but he noticed his client died. Using the enviroment to his advantage he might of been able to kill Jin.
I don't know if that's true but there's plenty of room for a new cyberpunk anime Watanabe.
Not to mention it's coming back into fashion as a genre. He needs to capitalize on this shit.
>anime Blade Runner
don't tease me with this shit man
One of the best and hard to top
It is so good
I watched it subbed for a very obvious reason, it's set in Japan. Japanese simply suits it better.
Since he was only stronger than him in that environment, he's probably weaker than both Sara and Kariya, who both were better than Jin on equal footing.
It would have been his 40th birthday on the 7th. Like two fucking days ago.
Such a shame. He was a magnificent producer.
Rest in beats.
It's a toss up on what you value. The dub is really good, one of the best, but the setting is Japan.
WHAT IS WITH THIS ANIME AIRPLANES DIDN'T EXIST IN ANCIENT NIHON WOW EXPLAIN THIS SHIT THIS ISN'T REALISTIC AT ALL
Mugen is truly the best rapist.
break dancing didn't exist either. mugen was ahead of the curve man.
He's pretending to be a pelican
Knowing Wantanabe, he could probably pull it off. I'm pretty sure that he was behind the Detective's Story in the Animatrix film that came out when The Matrix was still a thing.
I can't tell if you're pretending to be stupid or actually stupid.
Ukon, Sara, and Kariya. Tough to decide who is the strongest.
I tried rewatching the show subbed, but Jin/Mugen's voice just didn't work for me. I guess I just love hearing Steve Blums voice.
That is one of my favourite stand alone episodes of anime ever.
I'm glad this threads here, thanks guys. It's nice to have break from calling people's waifu a slut and debating the morals of hot 8 year olds.
Oh shit really? I thought he directed Kid's Story.
I think he directed A Kids Story as well. I'm not sure though.
2001~2007 Japanese jazz-hop movement is the best thing that happened to music.
Jin held out against Kariya for a significant period of time.
Sara beat them much faster.
Also, Jin's stupid suicide move wouldn't work on her.
Shut the fuck up.
>yfw you realize that Blade of the Immortal had the exact same characters.
Considering that all the characters are fucking classic archtypes, it's not surprising.
If I recall, he's mentioned as having input on the script for the Detective's story if not directing it. It does share a similar tone with Wantanabe's other works.
Either way the low-fi noirish atmosphere of a cyberpunk would seem to fit Watanabe's style very well.
>Another is great for the comedic elements
WAIT WAIT my mate told me it was a horror show for fucks sake I haven't wasted bandwidth on some stupid have I?
I think it was funny if you watch it with /a/, but it is a horror show.
>The case to end all cases.
That was the best short in the entire movie. The rest were pretty mediocre, honestly except for the one that offered a bit of background info on the machines and their motivations.
No shit this can generally apply to any anime that has a trio.
Pretty sure he was referring to more than just the main 3.
Both works basically include every single classic samurai character.
Beyond was the best.
>Champloo was 2004. Almost 10 years since airing
>yfw "10 years ago" still makes you think " '90s"
>yfw "10 years ago" was actually 2004
Thanks anon, now i feel older than i should.
Also, Champloo OST was 10/10, best thing of the show.
This show was like the definition of style over substance, doesn't make it bad though. I loved it. Like a Tarantino or Refn film.
I'm not sure that's a bad thing though. It doesn't concern itself with melodrama in order to build the illusion of depth.
The characters grow and change over the course of the adventure and wind up better people than they were before. It's a bogstandard story but it's a good one. I don't think you can argue it's completely without substance.
Oh yeah definitely, it wasn't without SOME substance, but the show was carried by that sweet OST and theme it had going.
Saying that a Watanabe anime is carried by the OST is kind of missing the point though.
Bebop was carried by it's OST as well.
That's not the point though. The OST and the show are made to compliment each other. They're at their best as a single entity.
My problem with Champloo was that ultimately the story didn't go anywhere.
We have this random assassin subplot for Jin that literally never comes to anything.
Equally nothing ever comes of the Jin betraying his school thing. No resolution.
The Sunflower Samurai was pointless, we finally meet him and he's just a dude on his deathbed. Okay, cool. Means that everyone hunting them is just absoltuely wasting their time, he's not gonna start a revolution.
So he gets offed without a protest and that's done.
Then Mugen and Jin both miraculourously survive when they shouldn't and everyone goes their seperate ways.
I've got all kinds'a small niggling things I dislike about the series but the ending and the whole second half ultimately being pointless is probably the worst.
Decent series 8/10
If you're really stuck on the whole pointless and ultimately worthless journey thing, Katanagatari did it a million times better and didn't pull it's punches
This is a very different pointless journey than Katanagatari though.
In Katanagatari Togame was destined to die. Like Spike in Bebop. Their world had forsaken them and their campaign for revenge was their inevitable undoing.
Champloo is different though. It's just a journey. Fuu doesn't want revenge. She just wants to look her father in the eyes. All the sideplots and distractions were exactly that. They didn't get fulfilled because we didn't see the entire tale. At the end we don't get a real conclusion because the story continues without us. All three characters have lives ahead of them. They were never sentenced to die in the literary sense.
We enjoy the series because the characters interactions and exploits lead to them being better, more rounded people in the end.
I like Champloo a lot for that reason. It's not an end-of-the-world-all-or-nothing situation. Mugen, Jin and Fuu are just little fish in a big pond. And we get to enjoy their adventures for the brief time they're together.
It reminds me of serial novels like Sherlock Holmes. Nothing of real consequence happens at the end of each one. But we slowly see the characters we love become better people. Except for that time he got killed only not I guess.
>until she realized her son had been dead for years
But that's relatively the same thing, whether or not you believe that Togame was destined to die (seems dubious to me) ultimately it's a story where they go on a journey, nothing changes and no-one achieves a single one of their ambitions.
I mean, it's even spelled out in the ending.
Champloo is exactly the same, except that as you say, I guess Fuu spoke to her Dad for a minute.
And what did she get from that? Nothing, she achieved no peace, she didn't really learn much, all she really got was that he wasn't a bad man and he wanted to protect her. Then he died and it was all done.
If Jin and Mugen had died it would have been even worse since their lives would have been the cost of a completely pointless mission but as it was, slice of life or not, the whole thing was just a big shaggy dog story.
It's not bad, it's just not great. 8/10
We never really saw Sara go absolutely beserk. She never really wanted to kill Mugen or Jin.
Imagine if she actually wanted to kill someone. And wasn't just forced too.
Togame and Spike are both Tragic characters. And I mean that in the long standing literary sense. This is some ancient greek shit. They're both destined to die from the moment they embark on their journey. This is inevitable. The fact that nothing was changed by their efforts is somewhat key thematically but doesn't reflect on her character. She didn't care if it made a difference or not.
The point of Champloo is not so much that she didn't get closure from her father (though saying she got nothing from the encounter is taking away from the gravity of the episode I think). It's more how her character grew as a result of the journey. Champloo is very much a journey-not-the-destination style story.
I'm not saying that Champloo is worth more than an 8/10 I'm just saying that it's not a tragedy like Katanagatari is. Comparing the two seems silly. Despite their many superficial similarities.
>birthday comes up
>turns out Nujabes died that day
;_; worst birthday ever
What was the deal with the Secret Police Chief anyways?
he was just a hilarious dude with his wobbly looking dildo club
In what way? I haven't seen the show in a while but the Secret Police were just the Shoguns agents.
It still hurts to think that Nujabes is dead.
It's odd in a way. A lot of bands I like have artists in them that have passed away but most of those deaths happened before I was born or soon enough afterwards that I wasn't aware enough to care.
I think Jun Seba is the first musician death of an artist that I love deeply while I've been aware enough to care about their passing. It hurts.
No I mean the one that kept going 'FOR PETES SAKE'
You mean Inspector Manzo? Apparently he's a parody of this character:
I just want another anime with the ost made by Nujabes
>those descriptions of what he gets up to
>Hanzo consistently utilizes torture (both on himself and on others) as a means of interrogation and self-purification;.
>Hanzo ritualistically flagellates his huge penis so as to make it stronger; this exercise is always followed up by Hanzo's practicing sexual intercourse with a bale of rice.
>Hanzo interrogates female suspects by raping them; later, he drinks sake with them in his o-furo and they immediately become infatuated with him, primarily due to his sexual dexterity.
Why didn't I die instead of him? I'll never amount to anything. Seba-san had generations to inspire. Life is meaningless.
I watch this anime every summer
I wait until it's very fucking hot and that the cicadas begin singing
I can't wait for next summer
This, also the Baseball episode is a million times funnier in japanese because of the Engrish
That episode with the Dutch dude is glorious as well because of the pseudo foreign accents
I think as much as Bebop was improved by it's english Champloo is improved by it's japanese.
Unless you're some sub-phobic newfag Champloo is objectively better in it's native tongue. Steve Blum or not.