Just got back from the Melbourne showing.
My review: What the fuck?
Did anyone else like this film? It shat all over the series and Madoka's sacrifice is basically trashed by Homoura's ascension into godhood.
Is it implied that magical girls still exist in Homura's universe? If so, what happens to the law of cycle?
>It shat all over the series
Ah yes, the rallying cry of idiots.
I loved it for how clichely right the fuck out of left field it was. The action was good, the story was cute at least at the beginning and I saw what Homura was going to do from a mile away so I wasn't too shocked. I was was pissed and shocked about was how much they try to make Sayaka relevant and more or less fucking essential to the god the story now if they do continue.
It's basically; if anyone could stop Homura, it's Sayaka and that's bullshit.
The only people I see complaining is the Homufags that keep complaining that her character is destory or ruined or some bullshit.
>inb4 300+ post thread where we reexplain the plot to OP and couple of other mental stragglers.
I was just thinking that. It's not that I don't like doing it because it facilitates some interesting conversation, but I have to play the new Higanbana so I'm just gonna leave this before I go.
Law of circle exists as stated in the end but its apart from human aspect of it, Madoka herself, this is a perfect world, were dreams of everyone comes true including Madoka dreams, everything she wanted, Mahou Shoujo salvation and her own happiness are possible at same time thanks to Homura.
>Is it implied that magical girls still exist in Homura's universe?
Yes. Kyouko, Mami, and Sayaka are all still magical girls.
>If so, what happens to the law of cycle?
Still in operation, with Madokami doing her job minus her original human part.
>It shat all over the series and Madoka's sacrifice is basically trashed by Homoura's ascension into godhood.
In what way? I don't understand the fans who say that about the movie.
because they are buttmad that they didn't expect such a reversal
and don't want to acknowledge they feel stupid for not realizing it was implied in the fucking title
>magical girls still exist in Homura's universe?
Yes, everyone is still a magical girl except Madoka.
>what happens to the law of cycle?
The Law of Cycles continues to erasing witches but Yuri Valhalla is dead.
To be honest I didn't see it coming as well even though I had some clues thanks to /a/ with the clue being "Homura did nothing wrong"
Also saw today's screening in melb. Had a chat with a mum who got dragged along by her kids . At the end of the movie the woman was only able to grasp the fact that Homura became a devil.
my review: lived up to the hype
It's going to sting pretty bad for a few weeks, OP. But you'll get over it eventually. The key is to realize that the TV series and the movies are separate continuities. The TV series ended right where it should have and doesn't have or need a sequel. Rebellion as sequel is a completely different continuity. Once you establish that mindset, you can learn to appreciate the interesting parts of Rebellion, and look forward to its inevitable continuation.
Nope, Rebellion starts as soon as homura, at the end of last serirs, falls asleep.
I felt like they set up a very nice story during the first half of the film, then they went off the rails hard. Everything after the gun scene (or when human Charlotte showed up) seemed convoluted and out-of-nowhere.
It was visually great, and the music was good. I just hope they can make another film or something that wraps things up better.
>The key is to realize that the TV series and the movies are separate continuities.
Only if you want them to be. Shinbo says they are, Butcher says they aren't. So believe who you want. You can't really go wrong.
Why you canonfags always have to complicate things unnecessarily by trying to split things up when you disagree with something.
The TV series and movies are told differently but they are the same story. Rebellion is the continuation of that story. That's it, nothing more.
Sorry, but some people just can't accept that, myself included. I'm too emotionally invested in the series, and its ending in particular, to let a new work completely upend it. I cannot tolerate a movie that absolutely tramples on Madoka's message of hope, of triumph in the face of certain tragedy, replacing it with nothing but selfishness and delusion.
That said, the movie is still interesting in its own way, and I do want to enjoy and appreciate what it brings to the franchise. Treating it as a separate continuity is really the only way I can do that.
I'm with you. Based Shinbo.
>absolutely tramples on Madoka's message of hope
Did we watch the same movie, anon?
I'll just ignore the other parts of your post that are wrong because you're ignoring the reality of Rebellion's ending and substituting your own in.
>ignoring the reality of Rebellion's ending and substituting your own in.
Because that's a valid interpretation. You can ignore Rebellion if you want.
>I hate Rebellion because it destroyed the original meaning of the series
>Now please explain what happened to me
Why does this always happen
When assessing canon and things of that nature, you go to authoritative figures in the work and get their opinions. The only delusional ones here are people like you who get upset and deny the notion of ignoring Rebellion. It's valid whether you like it or not. Accept it.
The Law of Cycles is still up and 3 little girls get to have a happy life again.
Anyway, I have no idea how you can take the events so personally. It's Homura's ideology. The movie isn't saying she's right, anon. It's simply placing her ideals in opposition to Madoka's.
>and one little girl get to have a happy life again.
I'm not >>101783046. I was only defending the idea of considering the movies and tv series separate continuities.
4 girls, not 3.
>I cannot tolerate a movie that absolutely tramples on Madoka's message of hope, of triumph in the face of certain tragedy, replacing it with nothing but selfishness and delusion.
Whether you can tolerate it or not is completely irrelevant to whether it's "canon" or not, and the fact that you are apparently so emotionally invested in it actually just means that any objectivity you may have had on this matter is totally shot.
This picture is just too cute
Shinbo says the series and movies are separate continuities. Urobuchi says they aren't. Since they're both authoritative when it comes to Madoka, you can believe who ever you want (though arguably the director more so, but that's another discussion for another time). So in essence, do whatever the fuck you want and get off the dicks of people who choose ignore Rebellion. Fuck.
That doesn't really have anything to do with my post. I'm well aware of the staff's statements on the matter. I'm just saying that "I can't accept this" is not a valid reason to try and exclude something from canon. It's the very definition of delusion.
Goes well with the spirit of the movie, I don't see the problem.
>I'm just saying that "I can't accept this" is not a valid reason to try and exclude something from canon.
Yes it is. He can't accept it, so he chooses the Shinbo root. What's the problem?
Except "the director said it's a different continuity" was not the argument being made, "I don't like it so I'm excluding it from canon" was.
So what? He still can ignore it if he wants.
He can do literally anything he wants, not my problem, but when you post about things you do on 4chan, sometimes people are going to tell you that the things you do are dumb.
But it's not dumb to ignore Rebellion if he doesn't like it. Especially when the director says he can do it.
All I'm saying is that ignoring it solely because you don't like it is dumb. I've already said this.
That's not really dumb though. It's pretty logical actually.
>I don't like this movie.
>Therefore, I will disregard it.
Seems smart to me.
Now you're just being a smartass. We're talking about canon here, not just ignoring things you don't like.
Here we ignore entire seasons or entire series because they are shit, what the fuck are you talking about.
See previous comment.
What's wrong with that? Sayaka has died in enough timelines, she deserves a break.
There is no true canon because the people in charge don't give enough fucks to come to a consensus or to inform us of it. Everything we know about the "canon" of Madoka is pretty much shit that fans made up. I mean, some people still say the PSP games are canon. And who's going to stop them? Certainly not Shinbo or Urobuchi because they don't give fuck. Just give up on Madoka canon. There's zero objectivity.
Then you shouldn't have brought up the concept of "different continuities" in the first place.
It makes sense for Sayaka to be in a unique position. She always tried to protect Madoka in life, of course she'll try to do so in death as well.
Actual author of >>101783046 here...
This would be a good rebuttal if I were arguing that Rebellion isn't canon. But I'm not. Of course it's canon. That doesn't mean I have to respect it. What I was saying is that the only way for me to enjoy what Rebellion offers is for me to disconnect it from the TV series. That's just how I prefer things. If you like Rebellion and don't want to separate things, good for you. It's this "everyone has to enjoy things the same way that I do" mentality that's pretty dumb, if you ask me.
People like using those interviews to gain traction in an argument because it always helps to say "the director/writer supports my opinion." Also continuities and canon are different things.
>There's zero objectivity.
Akemi Homura is objectively the best girl in both the series and movies.
Wow, that's a completely reasonable point of view to have. It looks like this whole semantics argument I was having for the last half an hour was totally irrelevant to what you actually meant. Thanks for wasting my time, other guy.
There's at least one thing seriously wrong with this image.
>Thanks for wasting my time, other guy.
Hey, you called him dumb. I only explained why he isn't, anon. I really wish people in these threads would stop getting so wrapped up in muh canon and shit. It only becomes an issue when people try to bring in doujin and fanart and shit. That's just retarded. Also there was more than one person rpelying to you
Is it the spooky skellington hands? Because spookyhands are TV canon.
You tried to defend him by speaking for him in a way which turned out to be totally immaterial to his actual opinion. It turns out what he actually meant was perfectly fine and I have no problem with it. If you hadn't felt the need to jump in and respond to my post with your Shinbo stuff, all of this could have been avoided.
Because you called him dumb and he wasn't dumb.
And he was perfectly capable of saying that himself. You shouldn't attempt to speak for people when you're actually only advancing your own opinion.
>She always tried to protect Madoka in life
>telling Madoka to sell her soul because she can't deal with the shit that she herself created.
Anon, you need to learn a thing or two about anonymous posting. There's a disconnect between your post in you. When you try to attach identities to the conversation, you get shit like this thread.
I didn't mean literally always. I apologize if my meaning was unclear.
I don't see what that has to do with anything, I felt it was rather obvious throughout that entire conversation who was who.
Of course, until the poster who claimed to be the catalyst posted again. That could have been me, anon. That could have been someone else. The point is, respond to the post, not the thread. Think of it that way.
>until the poster who claimed to be the catalyst posted again
No, it was pretty obvious the guy I was arguing with was not that dude.
>respond to the post, not the thread.
I was responding to the post. The post I originally responded to made no mention author/director's intent, and I therefore did not consider it in my response. That was kind of the ENTIRE POINT behind my argument: that using personal dislike alone as a metric for "canon" is dumb, because that was what I believed was implied by the post. I distinctly remember saying that like three times. It's Shinbo Guy who tried to drag the argument in a different direction because of presumably reasons.
I honestly have no idea why this argument is still going.
>No, it was pretty obvious the guy I was arguing with was not that dude.
Okay, buddy. Also, there was more than one person replying to "you." "You" don't seem to know "that" though.
>I was responding to the post.
No you weren't. You were responding to the post and all the claims that were built up prior to that post. You only should respond to information in that exact post your responding to. Identities are forgone.
>I honestly have no idea why this argument is still going.
I don't fucking know. Kyoko is the best girl.
He already said he wasn't the same dude. >>101784319
This isn't exactly rocket surgery.
>No you weren't. You were responding to the post and all the claims that were built up prior to that post.
What the fuck? That was specifically what I was not doing. Are you fucking with me?
Dude, I don't care. Just post Kyoko.
Okay guys, walk away, walk away. Break it off. Homu a best. Let's be adults about this.
Homu is amazing.
The title of best meguca is up for grabs now, considering Homu is no longer a meguca.
I vote Kyouko.
Homu and Kyouko are amazing.
Sayaka's amazing too!
Of course, she is.
I can't quite place my finger on the exact cause, but for some reason Sayaka just looks kind of goofy. Even in cooler pictures of her like pic related. She just looks stupid.
Goofy looking bitch.
Sayaka a target for double abuse.
Having Homu-Kyou as top two megucas is definitely a trend.
You're just imagining things. Sayaka is serious business. There is no time for goofiness.
>waste a month by doing nothing in the barrier of Homura when she has a fucking mission to do.
Incompetent and goofy bitch.
I liked *evil* homura. What was with the wasteland where Mami and Kyoko were basically holding a memorial for her though?
Time spent dreaming a happy dream isn't time wasted, silly.
Bullying is not allowed
Second this vote.
They're slightly similar so they attract the same crowd. Good taste basically.
It is if you're a devil.
Imagine Homura sitting through one of those silly anti-bullying presentations and thinking up new ways to abuse Sayaka.
All those counts of bullying add up, you know. Once universal order is restored, she'll have to answer for her crimes.
As soon as order is restored, Madoka and Homura will be off on their deity honeymoon. And since they'll be immortal, who knows how long that'll last.
That fucking feel when no Madoka Magica in cinema in Russia.
Sayaka will get her revenge by being aggressively friendly to Homura, under Madoka's supervision.
That's fine, Sayaka can tag along as emissary of JUSTICE while they do whatever it is they do. She'll be discreet, it'll be like she's not even there.
It was cool until I noticed the telephones.
>not telegraphing your thoughts about some weird gay Jap cartoons directly to KGB
It's not ideal but we can make it work.
Well it's only fair if Homura snoops on Kyouko and Sayaka being lewd.
Yes, aggressive friendship sounds like a good plan.
>Sayaka being emo again
What a surprise!
I dislike people who try to pretend Rebellion is an alternate continuity or didn't happen because I feel Rebellion is actually a critique of this position. Isn't half the point of the movie about the fact that denying reality is bad? Do you want to time travel to the past an undo Rebellion, just as Homura undoes the ending of the series? Do you think things should have ended with the five magical girls in heaven? Isn't that kind of like the beginning of Rebellion?
Incidentally, I never felt Madoka's ending was hopeful or uplifting because it still ended with a fucked up magical girl system. At the very least, breaking it apart might make something better.
Reminder that Sayaka refused to support the previous magical girl system by her refusal to accept grief seeds(using other people for the benefit of herself). In Homura's world, Kyousuke's hand is healed and Sayaka is free to live a happy life instead of dying or hurting others.
I wonder what she will really do.
>I dislike people who try to pretend Rebellion is an alternate continuity or didn't happen
No one cares what you like or dislike. They aren't pretending and the aren't deluded because it's a perfectly valid interpretation. Get the fuck over it already. Jesus Christ.
It's a valid interpretation, but the fact remains that you're still acting like Homura does.
>>The ai yo was you all along.
I wonder if Homura ever succeeded in sending Sayaka straight to meguca hell by vaporizing her soul gem with that neat laser trick before Kyouko shows up and stops her.
That would put her on Mumi tier though, which would be unacceptable.
AI YO looked pretty fun, and I wish I could do it.
Not really. Homura undoes reality and molds it in a way she sees fit. I'm just ignoring a fucking movie. Fuck off you pretentious asshole.
A fictional reality that wasn't real in the first place.
What? Madoka's world was real. What are you going on about?
Melbourne showing? There was another one?
I thought it was only on the 1st of Feb.
I mean it's still a work of fiction.
What relevance does that hold?
>I dislike people who try to pretend Rebellion is an alternate continuity or didn't happen
What? It's some butthurt faggot.
Rebellion is direct continuation of the series that was made by same people, If you are so mad, it's your problem.
In Sayaka's case, she actually implies she wants to die rather than accept grief seeds. If she already intends to die(become a witch), then maybe you could justify Homura mercy killing her rather than letting Madoka see her destroy herself.
The next scene implies she directly kills people(as a witch would do), which probably justifies Homura's actions. However most people went the other way and assumed she didn't kill on the train, so they took that scene out of the movies.
Then there's also the other speculah. Homura didn't aim for the soul gem, Homura didn't use a gun(just a slow charging version of her magic beam?), she didn't use her time stop earlier and didn't go after Sayaka. So I guess you could say she wasn't invested in killing her, just showing her that she has the ability to kill her if she intends to make Madoka suffer.
That or she really respects Kyouko and doesn't want to go against her. Or maybe it's a combination of all of the above.
Well you're so invested in a work of fiction that you're willing to ignore anything that ruins it.
You're pretty new if you think that there's only person who does the alt. continuities thing. This shit has been going on since October. Anyway, it's supported by Shinbo. It's perfectly valid. If it offends you that some people don't take Rebellion as seriously as you do, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry you're so sensitive.
TV broadcast version looked like shit. Check the DVD/Blu-Ray releases. It's fixed there. Lazy ass SHAFT.
This guy knows what's up.
But in the end I like them all. Except for Mami.
Are there any non-camrip versions of this yet?
>sore loser Homufags
I got one. PM me.
Yeah. She does that and then she gets killed because she's so stupid. Stupid piece of cheese.
>if you think that there's only person who does the alt. continuities thing
yeah, maybe there are two of them
Yeah, you're right. Shinbo and I are the only two people in the world who look at the movies and series this way. It's just us two.
>like both madoka and monogatari
>madoka essentially steals all the thunder monogatari had
>gets 2 movies
>"well now they can focus on monogatari again"
>another movie is made
>it's fucking terrible and is just more shilling of the fanbase
I just want the monogatari movie, please let madoka end.
The only one who almost got killed was Homu
Stop bitching, faggot. Kizzu is coming.
Shinbo made this excuse for retards like you to keep whole fanbase. Notretards just ignored it anyway.
Urobuchi made that excuse that they aren't alt. continuities for retards like you to keep the whole fanbase. Notretards just ignored it anyway.
Wow, you totally didn't understand this scene at all.
Homura got depressed because she couldn't beat Mami and tried to kill herself.
I was there on Saturday. Jesus fuck was it too damn hot. I got there late because I underestimated the trams and missed the first 20 minutes or so. Maybe I missed some key points too:
Why was Charlotte called Bebe? Did she get sucked into Homura's reality marble like half-witch Sayaka did? Why did they get sucked in there anyway, shouldn't they both be dead/gone by the time whatever the incubators did to Homura happens?
Aside from confusion it was good. Everyone I talked to seemed normal and the sushi downstairs was decent.
It was fake suicide, idiot.
Watch it again.
What a weeaboo.
If a Madoka movie with relevant plot and character development is "shilling the fanbase, I can't imagine how Monogatari isn't considering the level of PLOT
Charlotte is called Bebe because Mami has horrible naming sense
Yes, she's there because she was sent by the Law of Cycles like Sayaka was (remember criteria to get into Homura's barrier is she has to know you)
because they are dead/gone and part of the Law of Cycles, they could be there
>has almost nothing to do with the original story outside of homura fanfiction
>monogatari movie is canon to the original story
there you go, trying to make it seem like Monogatari has anything to offer other than fanservice
Monogatari movie is supposed to be adaptation and it doesn't even exist. While Rebellion is supersuccesfull original sequel of the series.
Monogatari movie supposed to be adaptation and it doesn't even exist. While Rebellion is supersuccesfull sequel of the original series.
Sayaka is the best
it's getting worse
Not even that turned well for her.
And why the hell did Mami tried to stop Homura from shooting herself when she, being the veteran of the group, should know better than anyone what can and cannot kill a magical girl?
Maybe because seeing someone shoot themselves in the fucking head is traumatizing. I seen someone slit their wrist in my own kitchen back in 2007-2008 and was a wreck the entire day and when I was at work that night.
The guy was being emo about his girlfriend leaving him. Either way, it's not a pleasant memory.
Not sure Mami ever found out about the soul gem thing. Or maybe shooting yourself in the head actually can kill you.
Mami has never known anything about soul gems apart from them being a MG's source of power. If she knew, she'd probably have told Madoka and Sayaka on episodes 1-3.
Any anons that have seen it at the cinema twice think it was worth it?
I'm thinking of going a second time in Perth.
Then it begs the question of whether I go alone or not. I might do.
I've seen it in cinema once, and I would totally go a second time if it didn't necessitate a drive to the next state. Seeing it in theaters was so amazing.
Yeah I really enjoyed it at the cinema too.
I usually find seeing it twice helps solidify it in my memory, which is why I might go again. Especially as I was just so excited at the time I was watching it.
Guys, we found the cake. It's solved, you can go home now.
Those fuckers put the keychains in random pokemon-esque booster packs. What I would have done for a Homu keychain.
What the shit, where did you get all this stuff, I only got a signboard
They were selling it at the ticket redemption counter.
But Kyouko always had that title.
But you got a signed placard from Ume-sensei
But everybody got a signed placard.
Because we are all so loved. <3
It's pretty close, but Homu was best meguca.
It's better now when I don't have to choose between Homu and Kyouko.
I fucking love that this country has gotten a heap of actual little girls into this and no one has any problem with it.
>Mami with Kyouko tooth
i like this