Only because western animation companies don't pay their staff slave wages.
Can we all agree on this?:
>Anime has better art but cartoons have better animation
If were talking Pixar sure but in general? No
Cartoons have more frames than anime
So you're gonna spam this shit every day? Fuck off, faggot.
quick,somebody post the awkward stairs animation from gargantia
I'm just going to take an educated guess and say most of the cost difference comes from voice actor salaries. In the west they're expensive and shit, in Japan they'll prostitute themselves for work.
Cartoons have spaghetti limb animation.
It's not good animation, it just has more frames.
>starting threads that attract /co/ scum
Exact thread as yesterday.
Its not hard to animate things with no design
Wut. Even Kill la Kill has more frames than any TV cartoon.
So the left is better in this scenario?
>cartoon has an unique artstyle
>anime has copypaster artstyle
anyways, the cartoon is more fluid
Where did you get Gargantia budget?
Not to mention MJP's CGshit is better than anything Pixar has/will ever shit out.
Apparently the average frame count for western cartoons is 10,000 frames. That sort of number is typically reserved for special episodes for TV anime. Remember when the Angel Beats staff boasted about the first episode having 11,000 frames? That's the average allocation for Korra.
Adventure Time is essentially a franchise now so they can throw as much money as they like into creating an episode. Not all of it is needed but if it is gonna sell regardless then there is no reason not to throw everything into production.
Cartoons do tend to be more consistent though, there are alot of times in anime such as Panty and Stocking and Kyousougiga where you get amazingly animated scenes followed up with a slideshow. You don't really see this with cartoons but their animation tends not to peak as high overall.
>m just going to take an educated guess and say most of the cost difference comes from voice actor salaries.
Nope. The biggest difference is from animation wages. Animation work is one of the worst paying careers in Japan. If you want to avoid living in a cardboard box, working overtime is absolutely fucking essential for this job.
Sorry I meant to include Disney there are animations where holding a cigar is like 200 frames if anyone has that gif
Anime manages to make animation look better than cartoons even with fewer frames
Yet look at ratings and dvd sales.
>inb4 3D vs 2D shitstorm
This discussion about "frames" doesn't make any sense.
Animation is a lot more than the sheer number of drawings, and that 11000 is just a number they pulled out of their ass.
What about limited animation?
voice actors are also expensive
the simpson's VAs get paid 30,000 per episode
Cartoons have more frames but the movements is simpler and shittier. It's almost like some ball with spaghetti arms animated in flash with tween animation.
What even is that show on the right? It is like they have not discovered shading.
Either troll or doesn't watch cartoons.
That looks terrible its like 5-7 frames a second
I don't mind CG when its used well, but... it isn't used well here. The only thing that will carry this movie and Gen, mecha, and hopefully rape.
the most popular cartoon of the decade, sadly.
>not seeing the framecounter in the corner
They kept the fps low to make it look like traditional animation.
Nope. They get bigger every time.
>Animation is a lot more than the sheer number of drawings
Yes, I agree with that. I'm just saying it's a fact that western cartoons tend to have more drawings allocated on average. But what makes animation good isn't just the sheer amount of drawings,but good posing plus timing and spacing as well.
This stuff doesn't get produced anymore, so don't use it as comparison. Also, Disney didn't have to create one 20 Minute Episode every week. What the Japs are able to do with weekly TV shows is enourmous in comparison with Disney Movies which had a lot of time and manpower.
Oh look, it's this thread again.
You're off by a factor of 10.
that is from a movie though
is that the price of an episode or the whole serie
>tfw Disney will never do this again.
Faith in west lost.
Believe it or no9t, Japan makes animated movies too. You won't even be able to find a Ghibli movie with that animation.
We have entered an endless recursion of time
a single episode
>b-b-b-but muh western cartoons have MORE FRAMES
Okay. So what about Akira vs Simpsons Movie?
Now what, /co/ck suckers?
Western animation is unimaginative (more frames, but generic and unimpressive animation direction) and has terrible "art".
Yes, western animation a shit, we all know. Why try to attract /co/ cancer?
Really? I watched the first season and I don't remember it looking like that at all. Did they lose all their budget or something? Probably for the best.
I liked Adventure Time more than Gargantia though.
The Iron Giant > Akira
but adventues looks like is done in paint
Who cares about animation when the story is shit and the series is full of generic characters and cliches?
it's from the movie (yes, they made a movie and yes, it was shown in theaters and yes, it was flash animation still)
OP is from /co/.Isn't that obvious?
You mean 300,000.
Those Jews are the only ones with the gall working in the animation industry to do that bullshit, and getting them to agree to a paycut was a hassle since they originally threatened to walk when they heard about the idea of lowering it down from 400K per episode, even if they only contributed one line of dialog in a single episode. Despite demanding outrageous salaries, they also forced the staff limit the exposure of characters that "hurt their voice". If you ever wondered "why don't we see X anymore", and if their original VA isn't dead, you now know why. Fuck those assholes.
Great another /co/ thread that prompts normalfags to admit their shit taste.
>The Iron Giant > Akira
Factually false. Also, Iron Giant is a bad Tetsujin-28 ripoff.
I hate western cartoons with a firey passion, but if you deny that they have better animation 80% of the time and less quality 100% of the time, you're lying to yourself.
Needless to say, one is drawn to look like a cartoon, and one is drawn to at least look semi-realistic.
the iron giant was shit
high budget cartoon
>lolsorandum cartoon with tumblr art
You're a troll or you have dog shit taste.
The nose knows.
Am pretty sure sure the fact that anime is vastly better than cartoons is that the anime industry is free of jew influence.
have a lot of the same threads daily keion is this your first time on/a/?
Then how come those well-paid animators don't make better animation?
>frame count is animation quality!
Fuck off back to your own board, you piece of shit.
Also, animation quality aside, there are some genuinely enjoyable cartoons.
>the most popular cartoon of the decade, sadly.
Despite having a loud, obnoxious fanbase, pretty much every show on Nick and Disney and most of CN pummel FiM in ratings. The Hub still doesn't have enough prominence to warrant big commercials, which is why a third of the ads on the network are "As Seen on TV!" crap.
low budget anime
so sad, based disney is no more. But yes, movies have better quality. Lilo and stich is an example, the movie and cartoon series is way different.
>implying that's the quality I was talking about
I like the idea of an animated background, but something's not right with that run.
How does the Simpsons still have enough viewers to justify that amount?
>free of Jew influence
That's where you would be wrong.
They have these threads and they devolve into bitching too. It's clearly someone just riling people up.
That's not how you spell ugly anon. Being "different" doesn't equal being good.
>but if you deny that they have better animation 80% of the time and less quality 100% of the time
Sure, if you ignore the plethora of terribly animated western cartoons.
>b-b-b-but they all have more frames
No, they don't.
>Needless to say, one is drawn to look like a cartoon, and one is drawn to at least look semi-realistic.
Anime IS cartoons. Stop trying to excuse western shit art with "but it's a cartoon!"
How about you get a gif of that AT scene that didn't come from tumblr.
>being some kind of pixie of the element fire.
Or it could be that.
Why do you guys act like anime is so fucking great? Sure cartoons suck but anime is pretty much dying.
geht the fuck out,the iron giant was great
KLK has shit animation though.
Why is that, anyway? They pretty much treat their animators like shit over there.
And there's this /v/tard.
It's funny because /co/ thinks the opposite
whenever somebody points out that an artist has an ugly artstyle, /co/ will defend him saying that it is his artstyle and it's supposed to be ugly and you can't blame an artist for his style
Crossboarders please go and stay go.
a movie like paperman is supposed to come soon
this isn't entirely true. many western shows are animated in korea just like with anime.
it's the expensive voice actors and jewish corporate executives that makes western animation so expensive.
Are you man enough to most Maiko changing uniforms?
You don't like fun things, do you? It is LOLSORANDUMBXD, but so is most of Gintama episodes, and I don't see anyone bitching about it.
it DOES have shit animation but it's still better than any modern cartoon
Two generic shitposter answers. No need to copy the anime industry.
Who're you callin' a jew, jew
This level of retardation is only something that come could from /co/.
/sp/ here we're have a serious discussion about animation and quality get laid nerd and take your sexual frustrations elsewhere
I want my chinese cartoons in 2D and not 3D.
if I wanted 3D I'd download movies.
>>b-b-b-but they all have more frames
No one said that, you're just making yourself look extremely frustrated when you say stupid shit like this.
My point of one being drawn to look like a cartoon and one to be drawn realistic is that western cartoons aren't even attempted to be shaded or to look like real people/places, unlike Japanese animation which is almost always shaded well and drawn realistically. The care put into making this look realistic excuses QUALITY and non-constant animation.
A cartoon can be drawn to look like a cartoon, or drawn to look realistic, believe it or not. Think before you reply with stuttering. Your reply proved nothing aside from your ignorance and immaturity.
Most anime are largely animated in Japan, save for a menial work like in-betweening and outsourced episodes.
How many kikes live in Japan?
Rather than feeding the /co/cksuckers, maybe we could try to save this thread?
Is there any western animation that you enjoy? I think the latest season of Archer has been pretty good so far. It's good that they decided to take it in a slightly different direction.
>unlike Japanese animation which is almost always shaded well
Shading isn't all that common, even in old anime. Hell, even Akira had a simple two-tone shading style.
You don't need to live somewhere in order to have influence you retard. No real person or Jew is dumb enough to live in a polluted shit hole.
Japananimation haters getting blown the FUCK out.
>rather than falling for bait, why don't we have off-topic discussion?
Why don't we have a Sakuga thread instead of shitting on everything
It gets millions or viewers weekly despite being unwatchably terrible. The only show in the time block it doesn't regularly double the ratings of is Family Guy.
Because most anime have a niche demographic and doesn't appeal to the mainstream audience. When a late night anime breaks 10K a volume on average, it's a big fucking deal, despite it only being about a 3 to 1 profit return on a rather small seasonal budget.
You're confusing fun with stupid.