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Do you like pandering in anime?
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>>101721841
>noticing pandering
Ive seen way too much to see pandering as anything out of the ordinary anymore,
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They never pander to me.
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>>101721841
Listen anon.

There is no man on Earth who wouldn't want to see pandering. Any man who doesn't want to see such things has no right to call himself a man. Whether it's 2D or 3D doesn't matter; it's a man's job...no, OBLIGATION, to indulge his base instincts. Understand?

SCHOOL UNIFORMS BANZAI!!
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>>101721841
When it's her I do.
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>>101721919
That sucks.
At least you have it better than gay lolicons.
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>>101721982
>man
You mean a stupid teenager.
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>>101721841
But this is not pandering.

>>101721919
Are you maybe a pedo?
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>>101721841
Yes I do.
>http://www.mediafire.com/watch/ftf72bvcvvwb5tt/%E3%80%90%E5%8D%A1%E6%8F%90%E8%AB%BE%E5%AE%85%E5%AE%85%E3%80%91%E6%8A%80%E8%A1%93%E5%AE%85%E8%A3%BD%E4%BD%9C%E3%80%8A%E6%82%A0%E6%82%A0%E5%93%89%E5%93%89%E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3%E6%97%A5%E5%92%8C%E3%80%8B%E6%94%B9%E5%85%A8%E8%A3%B8%E5%8B%95%E7%95%AB%E7%9F%AD%E7%89%87.mp4
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>>101722049
No, I enjoy good shows. Unfortunately anime rarely panders to me.
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>>101722032
>when you turn 20 you magically stop fapping to cartoons
That's not how it works.
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>>101721841
>pandering
having a target audience is a crime now?
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>>101721841
This scene was horrible. Worst part of a really good, innocent show.
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>>101722094
No, when you grow up, you don't think only about fapping to cartoons. You look for something more in your entertainment.
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>>101722131
>worst part
You mean one of the best, right? Fuck you.
It also wasn't anything erotic so I don't see your problem.
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Yes, if it replaces actual humor/plot progression/character development or anything else worth watching. I didn't need a whole episode of Nisemonogatari devoted to Karen butt shots and (barely-)simulated sex scenes, for instance.

If it's there alongside those things, though, I don't care.
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Depends.

Sometimes I will watch a series just for the pandering. Sometimes it doesn't belong.
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>>101722162
You can do that at a younger age if you aren't a full-on pleb.
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>>101722131
But every innocent show tucks in crap like that.
See Also *K-On!*
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>>101721841
I like pandering in doujins
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>>101722173
It was erotic and fetishized.
>best part
A scene that completely ruined the innocent mood of the whole show. You're an idiot.
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>>101722194
>found: 0
NOOOOOO PLEASE
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>>101722180
And by yes I mean no.

I misread the thread title as "Do you mind pandering" for some reason.
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Literally every anime panders to some audience. It is a meaningless buzzword used by people who want to sound smarter than they actually are.
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>>101722194
donotwant.jpg
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>>101722192
Not all. But yes, scenes like that are horrible. And pretty much everything else in NNB was really innocent. This part was simply out of place. And it wasn't even in the manga.
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>>101722258
I'm pretty sure that's "Loli rapist bros"
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>>101722258
>not recognizing based Qfuck you art
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>>101722268
I think that in this context pandering is understood to mean fanservice and fetish/general otaku pandering.
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>>101722236
It was a great joy to see her in swimsuit, however it wasn't erotic or fetishized; only those who were looking forward to it could appreciate that.
I recon anyone who didn't love that scene is either homosexual, or a landwhale.
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>>101722194
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>>101722290
Fuck you for hating Non Non Biyori.
I hope you will get hit by a truck and go to hell.
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>>101722162
Yeah, but I don't see why you can't get both.
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>>101722338
>Trying to find disability Doujins
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>>101722308
Long, slow shot showing her undressing and then a longer shot of her embarrassed figure in a swimsuit.

Please. A horrible scene pandering to disgusting pigs aroused by shy girls and swimsuits. And we all know that those are really popular fetishes among otaku.
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>>101721841

I think if done repeatedly and stupidly, it can detract from the show's good parts.
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>>101722362
Because it kills the mood. Pandering, sexuality and lewdness is good in one kind of shows. It shouldn't be added everywhere.

Sadly, those lewd shows are usually horrible, boring and uninspired.
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>>101722405
Sadly, it wasn't fetishized. And that's the reason why NNB couldn't become a REAL big hit. With a bit of added lewdness, the show could have become a real classic.
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>>101722258
>>101722338
Because why not.

http://exhentai.org/g/671970/251d13cda9/
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>>101721841
I don't care either way. I'm not their target audience after all but I do like to partake.
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Yeah, this 2-second shot in a 15-second scene is the sole reason I bought the entire series on BD. Pandering indeed.
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>>101722508
What? It's one of the best selling slice of life. Very few shows like that reached 10k.
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>>101722435
It's getting worse every year if NNB is an example
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>>101722510
Aw yes.
>only 4 pages
Goddammit.
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>>101722510
>picture of a panda
go away troll
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>>101722592
hahaha
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>>101722589
I hope you realize it's the first result if you search "loli rape english".
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>>101722021
>gay lolicons
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>>101722561
Yes. But with some extra spice it could have reached the real best sellers.
But they didn't want to make as many people happy as they could, sadly.
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>>101722623
I'm sure I could have found it if I actually looked.
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>>101722630
It would be a completely different show and people like me, fans of innocent slice of life, wouldn't watch it (and probably wouldn't buy it).
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>>101722592
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>>101721841
No.
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>>101722616
>>101722695
>falling for that
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>>101721841
Only if its used sparingly. If I notice numerous fetishes being catered to in the first 5 minutes alone I'm pretty much done. Pandering/fan service should either be limited to an episode somewhere down the line, (you know to get younger viewers to tune in) i really don't mind the eye candy change either, but if the story can't keep my attention without resorting to a panty flash here or a bathroom walking in on there then I will probably drop it. Unless the series' story and character are amazing otherwise all bets are off.
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>>101722739
It makes my lonely life a little less lonely.
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>>101722757
Beach episodes were made to let it all out
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Since tumblr hates it I "love" it and by love I mean watching them cry over it. There's almost no pandering for someone like me who likes twinks though.
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>>101721841
Depends on how its done.

If its in the form of OVAs or bonus episodes then I love it.

If its in the form of a fanservice episode or excessive fanservice in general then I'm "eh" about it unless its really well done. If its this same situation and its eating up large amounts of time then I dislike it.

If its excessive or overwhelming in a show where pacing/story is important and all its doing is mucking things up then I greatly dislike it.
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>>101722669
Believe me, most of their fans are heterosexual males, and therefore would only appreciate it.
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Sexual pandering?
No. It's either unnecessary or a sign of show's immaturity.
I'm still baffled by this scene in NNB. Of course it wasn't enough for me to drop it, but I wasn't amused.

From this season I already dropped Nourin, ImoCho, Wizard Barristers, Witch Craft Works, D-Frag, Niesekoi and Sonico because of childish fanservice alone.
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>>101722881
I'm a heterosexual male and I don't appreciate it. Your idiotic lack of understanding is perplexing. Not every show needs scenes like that. NNB is a very innocent show, with virtually no fanservice except this one scene. It should elicit paternal feelings, not arousal.
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>>101722940
>childish fanservice
Most fanservice is anything but childish.
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>>101722940

Did you just say you dropped Wizard Barristers?
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>>101723019
I knew you can't appreciate a good character.
Well newsflash, the industry is not for people like you, and you should probably stop watching shows like NNB.
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>>101722940
>Nisekoi
>fanservice
What?
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>>101723081
>>101723048
>>101723025

Don't take the bait. Don't reply to him.
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>>101723025
It's childish and vulgar. It's something teenagers enjoy.
>>101723048
Yes. It's garbage.
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>>101722162
>No, when you grow up
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>>101723025
Ginormous giggling tits is a childish type of fanservice. 12 year olds eat that up.
Adult males prefer their fanservice tasteful and with medium to small size breasts.
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>>101723148
Except he is talking about childish wonder and innocence, not cheap and vulgar shit for manchildren.
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>>101723109
>childish and vulgar
Appealing to a man's natural intincts isn't "childish".
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>>101723166
Well, I can agree on that only a minority of grown up people prefer very large breasts, and it's also the easiest and cheapest kind of fanservice with the least relation to real curves and eroticism.
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>>101723188
>man's natural instinct
It is. It's appealing to your most basic instincts and treat you more or less like a retarded monkey who cares only about masturbating.
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>>101723109
>being mature
>watching anime
Pick one, fag.
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>>101723179
>"baaah it's not mature enough for me"
>>>/pol/
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>>101722816
I know that feeling anon but at least there's Free! but even then there's only one good character and the rest are fujoshi trash.
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>>101723242
I'm so sorry you have no self confidence and want to be reassured that you are a special snowflake with a big smart head.
Meanwhile they just want to please fans - and fans usually respond in kind.
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>>101723290
I'm not. I simply don't enjoy it. It's infantile, stupid and worthless.

Smut can be fun. Anime smut is just embarrassing. Sorry, I don't find characters obsessed with used panties relatable (Nourin).
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>>101721841
There is nothing wrong with making an audience happy. The only people that get mad about it are shonen kiddies that freak out when they see anything besides fighting in anime. Said persons also fail to realize everything they like is pandering to them.

tl;dr:
Not all anime is for everyone. Watch something else if you don't like it.
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>>101721841
Don't usually care about it one way or another but if they do something right then I have to give them props for it.
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>>101723351
>I'm not
>"But it's infantile so it's stupid and worthless"
Sorry but you're too obvious.
A man of taste either appreciates what he gets, or look past it. Especially if it's not in your face at every corner, but a tasteful little shoutout to fans like in NNB.
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>>101723357
>Not all anime is for everyone. Watch something else if you don't like it.
>b-b-but if we allow this to exist then all anime will become this!

I wish I could choke every nerd.
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>>101723392
I'm a fan of NNB. I didn't like this part. It's not in the manga and it feels really out of place.

And it's clearly not tasteful.
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>>101723351
>Smut can be fun
>relatable
You are everything that is wrong with a media watcher.
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>>101723420
Then grab the manga and shove up in your ass, you arrogant descending faggot.
Meanwhile the majority of NNB fans surely enjoyed that little extra given to them.
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>>101723351
>Smut is fine everywhere else but anime
Irony.
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>>101723421
But it's true. Lewdness, smut, vulgar sexuality can be fun if done properly.
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>>101723397
>>b-b-but if we allow this to exist then all anime will become this!

This is why casuals are the worst kind of scum. They are the liberals of anime fans. Self-entitled, ignorant of facts and reality, and completely hysterical.
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>anime that are nothing but pandering
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>>101723451
>majority
But you don't know this.
>fans
Yes, fans that dump pornographic doujins in every thread. I'm sure many of them bought all volumes of the anime.
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>>101723421
Careful, your fedora is on a little too tight.
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>>101723488
It's something in almost every nerd hobby be it vidya, anime, comics, movies, etc. People fear anythings popularity because thanks to the way companies are they have a somewhat realistic fear that if something becomes popular everything they know and love will become that popular thing. I say somewhat realistic because there's no fucking way something like say Dragonball would become nothing but big titties.
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>>101723488
>liberals
Daily reminder that conservatives are responsible for the censorship in entertainment. National Legion of Decency wasn't liberal.
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>>101723499
>But you don't know this.

Neither do you. NNB was one of last year's biggest hits, so if anything that scene certainly didn't do any damage. Stop acting like an alarmist because you saw a little girl in a school swimsuit.
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>>101723497
That was terrible, and it even got two seasons.
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>>101723497
That show was so depressing. It looked like it'd be an interesting bullying + romance slice-of-life, but it was just pandering.

The little sister was funny at times, but nothing else in the show was worth watching.
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Wouldn't it have been great if Ron Paul won and that we'd have our waifus already?
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>>101723499
>you don't know this
Yes, I do. Because the majority of its fans are not faggots.
>dump pornographic doujins in every thread
Get the fuck out with your blatant lies you shit stirring hater. God.
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>>101723546
>Implying you have to be a conservative to hate libtards
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>>101723587
Of course. A single scene like that isn't enough to ruin the whole show.
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>>101722881
>All heterosexual males want fanservice in all shows regardless of context

I bet you fap to Yotsuba, too.

>>101722940
>I'm still baffled by this scene in NNB.

It's a joke. Notice the '5-1' on her swimsuit? That's a 5th grader's elementary school swimsuit. She's in the 8th grade and still fits into her 5th grade outfit. She was so embarrassed by this that she spent the whole day avoiding showing anyone her swimsuit despite wanting to swim with her friends, only for Natsumi to walk in on her changing out of it at the end of the day and find out anyway.

If a character just wearing a school swimsuit is titillating enough to be considered 'fanservice' these days, maybe LRD really is right about the state of modern loli pandering.
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>>101723613 was meant for everyone obviously, but more for >>101723546
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>>101723620
The enemy of my enemy is my temporary friend.

Since there's plenty of conservative scum not yet dead, I support liberals.
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>>101723618
>lies
NNB threads were horrible. In fact, the rampant sexualization and shitty threads started right after this episode. Same with a stream of R-18 pictures on Pixiv.
Coincidence? I don't think so.
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>>101723629
The biggest sales boom happened after that episode, the nico ratings were excellent and the fans took it very positively.
Your little campaign against it won't change the fact that a true fan could enjoy it.
>"b-but I'm a true fan too it's just disgusting"
See? You think it's disgusting. You're not a true fan.
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Hey guys
http://exhentai.org/g/671970/251d13cda9/
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>>101723690
>sexualization

Beta male or woman?
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>>101723690
No. It started when your fucking retarded kind started spamming "DON'T SEXUALIZE THEM DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT LOOKING NICE YOU MANCHILDREN YOU CAN'T ENJOY THE SHOW" bullshit.
Yes. You did it every single time. So when the doujins got released it was payback time, and even though it was the same kind of shitty behaviour, it essentially all boils down to your hate campaign.
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>>101723679
Enjoy having all media destroyed by third wave feminism and LBGTs bitching about being "oppressed" by white male privileged media.
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>>101723815
>LBGTs

Don't fucking lump us in with them. Gays for the most part fucking hate feminists and so do ftms. It's mostly lesbians and mtfs. I really wish we could separate from them because I sure as fuck don't support them.
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>>101723357
>persons also fail to realize everything they like is pandering to them.

This is the major peeve I have with people whining about service, is that mountain hypocrisy. Anything designed towards an audience is pandering, which is to say, literally everything on TV because TV shows without audiences are pointless. Just because it's not designed for you doesn't mean you have to be so butthurt.

Some people seem to think that every anime not made for them is a wasted slot that would have been used to create something tailored for them. This is NOT true. Studios usually don't get to make just whatever they want; they are approached by license holders and pitched what shows to make, and these pitches are often based reactively on sales, tie-in profits from promoting source material and opportunity cost analysis. When a studio actually does decide to do an original, they usually plan around having the series have similar themes/designs to ones proven profitable. In other words even when given the chance to not do something based off statistics on source material indicating it should be done, they are still working from another kind of metric, of striking at the gold-bearing veins whether someone is directing them or not.

Studios run as a business; they don't tell stories just for fun to entertain you. They have to make money. It is very, very rare you'll get a true exception like Kaiba or Aku no Hana. Not that AnH was particularly good, it's just a rare example of bucking the trend and giving the finger to the marketing people). So the core isn't that fanservice anime anime exist, it's that they prove the most marketable. Even so it's actually rare for a trashy ecchi show to sell very well, hence people being alarmist over their presence is very overblown. Like that ImoCho show this season? It'll sell like fucking crap, I guarantee it. It's very rare to hit gold in ecchi (like Strike Witches), and in these cases they're more of simply neat shows all around.
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>>101723848
>Gays for the most part fucking hate feminists and so do ftms.
You homos all look the same to a God-fearing honest red-blooded American.
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>>101721841
I sure do.
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>>101723767
>payback time
Haha, you're so damn childish, /a/. But yeah, I do think that most anime fans are rather stupid and this whole "sexualization" is pathetic.

And yes, this was out of place. I would prefer lower sales and a show without this scene.
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>>101723148
CS Lewis needs to learn how to hide his powerlevel
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>>101723937
>And yes, this was out of place. I would prefer lower sales and a show without this scene.

It was a punchline.

They could have delivered it in a less pandery way, and that would have been better, but in a comedy like NNB it wasn't that out of place.

IMHO, of course.
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>>101723937
See, you're just here, you're only purpose is to fucking ruin /a/.
You basically said that anime and its fans are shit.
>>>/tv/
>>>/co/
>>>/anywherebuthere/
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>>101723966
>They could have delivered it in a less pandery way, and that would have been better, but in a comedy like NNB it wasn't that out of place.
I agree.
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>>101723937
Everybody knows you really hate NNB, so I'm going to address everyone who still argues with you:
Stop replying.
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>>101723987
No, I said that most anime fans tend to be rather shallow and dumb. And it's not like many people here are hardcore fans or something. I doubt many people here watched The Tale of the White Serpent for example.
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>>101722264
Does there happen to be pictures on the internet of anime girls who have thong-clag buttocks where their boobs should be?

Because this picture gave me a new fetish.
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>>101723667
This. It's a show about cute little girls and a girl in a school swimsuit is cute. I don't remember anyone bitching when Komari was in a bearsuit.
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>>101723937
>film often capitalizes on sexuality, downright depicting fucking in a giant chunk of all adult movies
>no comments, mutual understanding that sex sells and it's just what people do

>popular music often capitalizes on sexuality, sometimes with highly suggestive movements and clothing leaving almost nothing to the imagination
>no comments, mutual understanding that sex sells and it's just what people do

>anime often capitalize on sexuality, but only barely with some teasing/suggestive stuff and rarely actually go dirty
>OH YOU IMMATURE LOW-LIFE LOSERS GROW UP YOU FUCKING CHILDREN HOW DARE YOU ENJOY SEXUALIZATION WHAT A TRASH MEDIUM

Do you people fucking hear yourselves?
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>>101724051
>watching obscure crap
>hardcore
My sides. Get the fuck out with your family shit.
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>>101724076
>bearsuit
It was tanuki suit. She was playing Go, Renge's pet. NNB truly has amazing fans.
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>>101724064
All of KlK
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I didn't like that scene because she looks somewhat fat, while her arms and legs are skinny. It's disgusting.
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>>101724094
>no comments, mutual understanding that sex sells and it's just what people do
I hope you aren't serious.
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>>101724094
It's bait. Don't reply.
He's doing this for the hundredth time alrady.
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>>101724128
Everyone but tumblr he means. Which is where you need to go back to. No one outside of your hugbox cares.
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>>101724105
It's not obscure.
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>>101724094
Also addendum, by "adult movies" I don't mean porn. In action movies, oscar-bait movies, high-form pretentious movies, there is often fucking and nudity. People accept that freely, and judge that content more by how tastefully it was done and how well it was integrated, rather than just rage or fap from it just being there.

Same goes for literature. How many classical books have fucking in them? A damn lot. It's just part of life.
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>>101724150
Go be hardcore with your "anime expert" mature experts, then.
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>>101724143
Everyone but tumblr, critics, and well... every single film enthusiast.
These films are usually trashed by everyone except the target audience - dumb teenagers.
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>>101721841
Name the last anime you watched that didn't have pandering.

You're going to have to go back a ways
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>>101724172
I have no problem with tastefully done nudity in anime or manga.
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>>101724175
>target audience - dumb teenagers
It's actualy unsocial adults, you uncultured swine.
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>>101724175
>Everyone but tumblr, critics, and well... every single film enthusiast.

so tumblr
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>>101723815
>>101723848

The real feminists and LGBT activists are the ones that took to the streets to demand that women be allowed to vote, that what happened in the bedroom between consenting adults was none of the government's business, that adults be treated like adults regardless of race, gender, sexual preference, favourite food or any other arbitrary measure. The so-called 'libtard' agenda is just a manufactured strawman perpetuated by half-serious trolls and conservative mouthpieces that have found a better foothold retaliating against imaginary threats than they could have ever hoped to find stating their arguments logically.

The only reason you're so afraid of them is because you're so out of touch with your real life environment that you think the average person on the street thinks the same way as the most vocal neckbeard tumblr troll. If you ever just spoke frankly to someone, you might realize that your culturally unacceptable, politically incorrect views are in fact common as muck.
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>>101724205
Yet you have problem with a not even close-up shot of a girl in school swimsuit, not to mention as part of the joke.
Yeah, you sound pretty legit. Get out.
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Fanservice doesn't do much for me anymore, I used to watch it more when I first started anime. I'm impartial to it for the most part. As long as it's done in a entertaining way I couldn't give more of a shit.
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>>101724182
Sazae-san, except that traditional exposed pantsu daughter
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>>101724243
Yes, because it's part of a very innocent show and this is the only scene like that in 12 episodes.
I wouldn't have a problem with something like this in Bakemonogatari.
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>>101724136
>If I say its bait I can ignore the argument!
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>>101724272
Like I said, get the fuck out and watch your mature anime, you shit eating hater.
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>>101724275
Reminder that there's no argument, it's still a shitty bait.
People, don't bite.
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I don't really care either way, honestly. Panty shots and such get fuckall of a reaction from me, and I just kind of view them as a show's aesthetic after a while.

I think the vast majority of the people who complain need to build up a little tolerance.
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>>101723864
>Like that ImoCho show this season? It'll sell like fucking crap, I guarantee it.

I don't know, how well does a good hentai sell? It's not really be fair to compare it to an ecchi show like strike witches, since it's got full frontal nudity, several masturbation scenes and more fetish tags than your average fatalpulse doujin.
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>>101724289
There are very few "mature" anime and I'm sure I watched all of them.
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>>101724240
>being this mad

No gay guys do in fact not like feminists and we do indeed not like lesbians and mtfs. Some of us don't like ftms but they're pretty cool.
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>>101724240
>The real feminists and LGBT activists are the ones that took to the streets to demand that women be allowed to vote,
Those feminists got the vote in the 1920s. Those feminists do not exist anymore.

>that what happened in the bedroom between consenting adults was none of the government's business, that adults be treated like adults regardless of race, gender, sexual preference, favourite food or any other arbitrary measure.
So LGBT are Libertarian now? Getting rid of government interference?
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>>101724341
Anime isn't the only thing I watch. It's hard to tolerate shit if you can compare it with well done series and films.
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>>101724272
What isn't innocent about an elementary schooler's swimsuit? You are injecting sexuality where there inherently is not any. If some fans have a fetish for it, that's their thing, but they are by no means a majority and it is not the intent to pander to their sexual deviancy.

The only 'pandering' at work here is pandering to cuteness--and that's what the entire fucking show is.
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>>101724265
This is the other thing.

Unless the fanservice is seriously detracting from the show aka wasting too much screen time or making characters act in unlikeable ways, I don't give a fuck. Which is to say, on your typical lightly suggestive harem or moe comedy or something, if there is an onsen or beach episode or some such, there is what, literally 2-second pans of the girls in bikinis or a bath, with sparkle/bloom indicating obvious fanservice shot?

Ok, that would be maybe 10 seconds of pure fanservice out of 24 minutes. Even a fanservice-heavy show probably has less than a minute straight of combined literal fanservice shots/effects per episode. If you don't appreciate it, it's probably not going to ruin the show if it's got other stuff going for it. That is not unless you were blind and couldn't tell that the girls were supposed to be cute/sexy before those shots, and you're severely uncomfortable with the notion of being attracted to a 2D character which the fanservice is suggesting (in fact I think this is the core of anti-fanservice sentiment, is anti-2D), in which case not really liking 2D, you would belong on /a/ about as much as a hippie at a tea party rally.

And even if it's several minutes of pure fanservice/ecchi constantly and it breaks the show for you, this utterly begs the question of why the fuck did you start watching that show anyway? Those shows tend to make no effort to hide what they are; it should have been real obvious what you were getting into. It'd be like biting an apple and complaining it's an apple. Come on.
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>>101722083
is this legal?
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>>101724431
1. Swimsuit like that is a common Japanese fetish.
2. Shy, embarrassed girls is yet another common anime fetish.
3. There is a long sequence showing her slowly undressing.
4. And then a long, lingering shot of her underdeveloped body in this suit.
5. This scene wasn't even in the manga. This is Komari in her swimsuit from the manga.
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>>101724431
why do japanese rape vans look so ordinary?
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>>101721841
This shit is considered pandering now? What are we, Catholics?
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>>101724405
To each his own. I have a Lit. Master's and watch maybe five shows per season.
Just being intelligent doesn't mean everything you enjoy has to be high-culture. No, it's the opposite--when you're skilled at critical analysis you can take the contents of your cat's litter box and turn it into a research topic.
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>>101722463
>He can't fap and enjoy an intellectually stimulating work of art at the same time.
>My little anon can't be this pleb.
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>>101724547
You spend a lot of time thinking about Komari's underdeveloped body, anon.
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>>101724619
>high culture
No. But most anime isn't even very fun. Horror films from 80s are more imaginative.
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>>101724612
This is a christian imageboard.
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>>101724724
You lie and your breath stank.
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How good are these BDs?
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=517453
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>>101724612

Why else would they have a panning shot of a flatchest in a school swimsuit long after there was any reason for her to be wearing a swimsuit at all if not for pandering?
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>>101724680
The comparison you've just made is cloudier than a pulsar wind nebula. I could agree or disagree with the claims you want to make, but you haven't made them yet.
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>>101724395
>>The real feminists and LGBT activists are the ones that took to the streets to demand that women be allowed to vote,
>Those feminists got the vote in the 1920s. Those feminists do not exist anymore.

They do. My grandmother is one. My mother is one. These 20-something tumblr-loving landwhales that get on their high horse and denounce all men when a powerless troll insults them for being a girl, that demand equal rights but unequal responsibility, that think men can't be feminists unless they agree with everything their particular branch of pseudo-feminism claims without question, that have never once been limited by their gender in any meaningful way? Not feminists. You've all got mothers and grandmothers, why don't you sit down and ask them what feminism really is.

>>that what happened in the bedroom between consenting adults was none of the government's business, that adults be treated like adults regardless of race, gender, sexual preference, favourite food or any other arbitrary measure.
>So LGBT are Libertarian now? Getting rid of government interference?

I guess? Homosexuality was illegal, as was sodomy and many other sex acts. The LGBT movement was instrumental in decriminalizing these acts. I don't know how many old gay people you know, but if you do maybe you should ask them how they feel about modern LGBT types, about the proto-moralfags they had to deal with, and about their experiences with the real LGBT movement.
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>>101722807
Agreed. Time and place indeed.
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>>101724762
She was wearing the swimsuit under her clothes the whole time and was too embarrassed to show anyone her fifth-grade swimsuit. I found it funny that Natsumi walked in on her. They play the "I'm not a little kid!!" joke multiple times anon. I also enjoyed the half-episode wherein Komari was too scared to sleep alone.

Again, I don't know why you're infusing sexuality into a scene with an eighth grader who looks like an elementary schooler.
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>>101724792
I like trashy horror films. They are fun, often imaginative, and sometimes even scary.

Now look at trashy anime. Incredibly dull characters, setting, no drama, juvenile approach to sexuality and so on.

At least in horror films annoying, immature characters are killed. In anime they are usually main characters. Characters we are supposed to root for.
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>>101724917
>into a scene with an eighth grader who looks like an elementary schooler.
Probably because anime audience is full of pedos. And you completely ignore how this scene looks.
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>>101724927
But that's not trashy anime. I think those ultraviolent sex-crazed OVAs of the 80s-90s would better fit trashy anime.
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>>101724917
>I don't know why you're infusing sexuality into a scene with an eighth grader who looks like an elementary schooler.
>this is totally not a fetish that exists

How sheltered are you
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>>101725094
I stayed with my family over the winter holidays and I put Non Non Biyori on for my little siblings and cousins. Do you think they sexualized Komari? (Of course, then we watched Yuru Yuri, and that got weird during the last episode.)

Your line of thinking is so childishly counterculture. If you don't sexualize the girls, why waste your time on the subject? It doesn't affect you at all if some people are lolicon.
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>>101725094
Non Non is weirdly sexual, it just doesn't function or advertise itself as such and it's easy to forget the weirdness of a curvy stacked 5th grader and a kid-looking 8th grader. Some would say this brief scene was the exception, but even then, it was obviously played as a joke. Komari was saying she forgot her swimsuit, but now we see she actually had it on the whole time, and we also see why she didn't show it. Done.

You can fap to it if you want, but it's much in the same way you could fap to Hotaru in hers or Natsumi in shorts etc. It's not -really- asking you to. I think some people are just mad that they got a boner because they think of themselves as some 100% straight-edge guy with no kinks, and thus want to blame the show for discovering that they are fallible like every other human.
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>>101725408
I didn't get a boner. I simply find this scene tasteless.
>>101725401
I love the show. It's my favorite of 2013. But this scene was clearly out of place and fanservicy.
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>>101725517
Think of it like this, that scene being there might have helped it sell 1k+ more copies by just making a brief connection with a large chunk of the nip otaku audience that is highly receptive to fanservice. I think they see it as a bit of validation, as in "don't feel guilty, no this is not actually made for little girls, look, see?".

Also when the show was being made I'm sure no one at Silver Link thought it was going to be a hit; they probably saw it in as a small bit of insurance to help buoy its sales, which perhaps turned out unnecessary. I don't mean to defend it so much, in fact I would have been fine if the show never had it. I'm more of just rationalizing why it's there from my understanding of the nips.
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>>101725517
But why do you consider it sexually charged at all if not for your sake? I think Komari's cuteness is a miracle of the universe. I don't find her attractive, and thus I didn't touch her exhentai tag. But some people dig loli, and that's their thing. Hey, this is a 2 a.m. anime. There's no way the creators aren't considering their audience. But not every otaku in Japan wants the used panties of a 13-year-old girl for their birthday.

Pandering is as empty a tern to address the merit of a work as nearly everything else related to authorial intent. It's simply a placeholder for the critic's inability to address the intrinsic value of a work.
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>>101725873
Some people have a fetish for trees, oh shit they put trees on in an anime at 2am! They are clearly pandering the the tree fetish community.
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>>101725913
Flawless analogy.
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>>101722338
Google search works just fine.
http://blog-imgs-51.fc2.com/q/u/z/quzilax/1.jpg
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>>101722463
>Because it kills the mood.
I for one enjoy the hell out of good characters and a good story. Later, when I finished the anime and am over its emotional impact, I start sexualizing the characters and fapping to them.
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>>101723953
Why does anyone do this, does nobody have the confidence and personality to openly like whatever they want without fear of disapproval from others anymore?
I really don't understand this stigma.
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>>101724666
we all do
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I'm not a DEEPfag or a tumblr SJW, so yes.
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>>101725873
>But why do you consider it sexually charged at all if not for your sake?
Because I'm not blind or retarded.
>But some people dig loli, and that's their thing.
And yet this is the only scene like that in the whole show.
>Hey, this is a 2 a.m. anime. There's no way the creators aren't considering their audience.
It's an adaptation of a seinen manga, but this scene is anime original. People can enjoy this show without vulgar fanservice.
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>>101721841
what pandering?
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>>101721841
Yes.
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>>101721841
I want to make her into a mother.



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