>there were producers who greenlit this artstyle
>there are people ON THIS BOARD who approve of this artstyle
WHY ARE THINGS DIFFERENT
I DON'T LIKE DIFFERENT
u mad, potato?
There are people still watching this trash in 2014?
Hows it going in moeland?
Different doesn't mean good, a shit on a stick covered in piss is a different kind of food.
Different doesn't mean bad, a shit on a stick covered with piss is what you usually eat.
>I will make Aku no Hana anime original!
>director-san, please do it using traditional animation
>director-san, people liking manga won't like it, actually no one will...
>THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
>director-san, first volume sold less than 300 copies
>FUCKING OTAKU SHITS CAN'T APPRECIATE TRUE ART
Aside director trying to be as hipster as he could, it was pretty good adaptation. Too bad he fucking killed it himself.
I want a second season... :'(
I love how moeshits on this forum find it so offensive that any animation from THEIR PRECIOUS NIPPON can be done in any way but the norm. It's so adorable.
It was made to boost the manga sales, not get BD preorders, They succeeded and the controversy only helped them.
I liked the artstyle. I thought it fit the atmosphere of the show perfectly
I'm all for different animation styles, but it doesn't change the fact that Aku no hana's animation was shit.
The manga is far superior.
Why is it whenever someone states that the aku no hana animation is shit, people just say "moefags can't handle it because its different."
This argument makes no sense, there are plenty of anime out there with a unique or different animation styles that don't get called out for being shit. eg Tatami Galaxy
Just accept the fact that some people genuinely think the animation was shit.
>genuinely think the animation was shit.
No arguments, gg no re.
But I don't understand how they can call it shit? Because it wasn't bad. I can agree that someone might find it strongly unfitting, but it was good rotoscoping, and I appreciated it, and found it fitting to the style and story.
Because "Their just moefags" was an actual argument.
My point was not to prove the animation was shit, just to say that there are people who think this way aren't moefags who don't like different things.
I think those who liked AnH animation gave a ton of arguments, like the quality of animation, fluidity and it's built in naturalism.
While moefags have NO actual arguments, telling it's shit just because it's not traditional.
Why is it that moefags are portrayed as closed minded when shonenshits and DEEPfags exist.
They don't mean shit
I wasn't giving an argument, I was just calling out moesfags on their moeshit
But he's saying that, even if they don't have a good reason for saying it's shit, that doesn't make them "close-minded moefags"
All you're doing by calling them as such is destroying the validity of your own argument
>moefags, moeshit, etc etc
I want /v/ to leave
I'm not calling them close minded.
Sharing an opinion without arguments toi back it up doesn't make them close minded. It makes them fucking retarded.
>Sharing an opinion without arguments toi back it up doesn't make them close minded. It makes them fucking retarded.
But thats exactly what you're doing.
Please read >>101729822 or just kill yourself.
underappreciated masterpiece right there
While I really do wish that they used the mangas artstyle, after a few epiosdes the rotoscoping started to work for me. It's just a shame that the pacing is absolute tripe.
Seriously, it seesaws between greatness and utter boredom, and usually staying down with boredom for most of an episode.
I could almost taste the cum from how much the director was jerking himself off while watching this garbage.
It's one of the few legitimate pretentious anime out there. Nothing but a hack director aspiring to art house while having no talent.
> Using adults to portray children
It made me remember the show in pic. Absolutely disgusting.
>Nothing but a hack director aspiring to art house while having no talent.
The director has worked on many things /a/ likes though, Mushishi and Detroit Metal City are pretty much universally loved on this board.
I think that he had good intentions but it seems as if the amount of manga he wanted to adapt just wasn't long enough for a 13 episode series, hence why there's long periods of scenery, walking, and well... nothing.
This is the area in which Aku no Hana really fails in. The artstyle is just a small disappointment that people can get over. It's hard to get over such abysmal pacing.
Okay that was my bad, I got you confused with >>101730111
Still the point i'm trying to make isn't about the animation, its grouping anyone who dislikes the animation with "moefags who don't like it because its not traditional"
>wanting to try something different is now being pretentious
This is why we can't have nice things. Are you guys sure /a/ isn't just bunch of conservative facists?
The OPs and ED where the best thing about the show. I loved hearing Nakamuras crazy singing voice. The actors did a really good job in their roles.
Stop jerking yourself off buddy.
But it was pretensions.
The rotoscope can be very good if well used and used in the right way, I love how it's used in Kotonoha no Niwa for example it was so well done a lot of people didn't even noted it. But this director didn't have a reason except being different and "interesting".
>The director has worked on many things /a/ likes though, Mushishi and Detroit Metal City are pretty much universally loved on this board.
Mushishi and Detroit Metal City had great material to work with and were episodic. I guess he was restricted back then.
Aku no Hana is pretty much just a otaku pandering fetish manga. Decent for cheap thrills but not much else. That's what you get from reading the authors other manga and the threads pre-anime about it.
Now people will tell you it's anti-moe, deep and subverting otaku expectations and all other garbage.
Every Aku no Hana thread ever.
>THEY RUINED THE ARTSTYLE OF THE MANGA
>FUCK YOU, YOU JUST DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT
>THE PACING IS SHIT AND DIFFERENT DOESN'T MEAN BETTER
>GO BACK TO WATCHING MOESHIT
>FUCK YOU, PRETENTIOUS DEEPFAG
At least the backgrounds are nice, right?
>trying to do anything different or interesting is pretentious and should be frowned upon
You are the worst cancer of all, anon.
What if i told you wanting to be different and interesting isn't a bad thing? After all it's all about being interesting this or another way.
It is fucking pretentious. Everything about it is the director trying too hard and making things seem more than they are (which is pretentious).
Ping Pong is airing next season, it is different and it will mostly likely be good without having any pretensions.
Why? Because the director is not a hack who will not try to elevate the manga into something it's not but rather just apply his trademark to something already good.
It was a nice show, I enjoyed marathoning it.
OP & ED were shit though.
>fap fap fap
That's literally nightmare fuel
I'm not saying it should be frowned upon just for being different.
But different things are not interesting nor good by themselves and a director who makes something just because it's different (or interesting for himself) is a bad director because it should be interesting for the public and not for the director.
I liked the anime, but I did and still do feel disappointed because it means we're never going to see the style of the manga animated. A major point of Kasuga's character is that he's reading Les Fleur du mal not because he personally likes it or understands it, but because he's enchanted with the idea of reading it and seeming deep. He's pretentious. It also ties into another major point of his personality, which is idolizing those around him, such as Saeki and Nakamura making them seem more pure, deep, or important than they are. So I doubt that the director of the anime chose the style because he wanted to be deep. I could be wrong though.
Why they didn't use real 14 year old actors and actresses?
I liked it, because it pushed the weird story. If it would be made in normal Animu style, it wouldn't be as intriguing.
Did nobody tell Zexcs that rotoscope requires money?
I doubt that their agency would let them star in a show like Aku no Hana.
Trying to do something different for the sake of being pretentious and making shit as the final product should be frowned upon.
So in other words: you don't like it?
Why didn't you just say that in the first place, instead of calling it pretentious for some reason. It's totally okay for people to have different tastes and opinions; one person's AOTS is another person's shit. That doesn't make something pretentious though.
Old people acting like children can be cute too.
Actually, that's my greatest complaint.
It's not about my preference. I'm just saying the art style and technique used in this thing has not a reason to be. It's empty pretentious crap.
Why not? A lot of children have acted on movies that weren't meant for kids. And this is rotoscoped.
I'm sure there are a lot of agencies waiting for any opportunity for their clients to act in anything.
>Oh no it's not generic moecrap artstyle, worst show ever
Lots of child actors have to be very protective about their image. Doing a story as deviant as Aku no hana could fuck up whatever image they have built up. Plus i'm certain that there'd be a little outcry about "how could you let young kids do a story like this?".
The more you use that argument, the more obvious it is that you're bating.
You are turning desperate, now fuck off
> pacing is too slow
Sorry you kids have ADHD go take some ritalin or something, there is nothing wrong with the slow pacing building atmosphere
> bad animation
I agree with this fully, it was very jarring due to the fact that it was rotoscoped at a low framerate, rather than the standard television broadcast of 24/25fps it looks like this shit was done at 12fps. That's the first thing off with it, the second would obviously be the decision about when the lines appear, the facial definitions aren't there half the time and make the characters look like potatoes, I agree fully with people who make this connection.
This is my first post in this thread
I also liked the direction since I grew up watching a lot of European films and they shared many of the same techniques, the slow movement shots, in particular.
More than the animation it seems like most of /a/ struggles to enjoy a show that doesn't run at 4koma speed.
But there are a lot of child actors (most of them) who have nothing to loose, no public image at all. And everything to win if they participate in a controversial series or something.
They just fucked up.
Well maybe you should read the thread more thoroughly before posting in it. People have written arguments as to why they dislike Aku no Hana, or at the very least are disappointed in it that isn't just "B-BUT IT ISN'T MOÉ!".
> first post
> being a retarded
Please anon, you can do better.
The 90s always get me.
But not in all cases.
>Lots of child actors have to be very protective
And lots don't. My point still stands.
If you are a good actor you'll get jobs. No matter the movie. Your image matters as long as the general audience knows about you and you want to act for mainstream movies, and it's not like AnH will be known by the major audience. AND it's fucking rotoscoped, which means their actual face won't be shown. The actors of AnH look nothing like their rotoscoped image.
>Sorry you kids have ADHD go take some ritalin or something, there is nothing wrong with the slow pacing building atmosphere
Didn't they extend out a walking scene that was like three pages long in the manga out to almost 5 minutes? I adore the scenery work in this show as much as the next guy but COME ON.
Speaking of which, why was the urban scenery so fucking Godly?
When I first heard about it I thought there was going to be murder and rape involved, but it was actaully more like a saturday morning cartoon pretending to be a teenage edgy drama.
Actually, Nakamura looks cute in that shot. And the rotoscoping only looks retarded because of the screenshots. If you take a picture of any person at the right time (usually right before or after they blink) they look retarded.
I loved the anime, and I enjoy it more than the manga
Please remember that we're talking about Japan, here. For them, this is some serious shit and most of Kasuga's family hates him for what he did.
Of course, manga Nakamura looks 100x times cuter.
What happened between the 80's and the 90's? How could shit go so downhill?
Will there be a second season?
It was one of the worst selling shows of last year.
You do understand this was in a shonen magazine alongside Shinjeki, right? It's meant for an audience of middle schoolers.
>how could you let young kids do a story like this?
I don't think this happens anymore. People already know it's a publicity stunt.
>most of Kasuga's family hates him for what he did.
Eh, they probably don't even know about the gym clothes and the classroom. His family hate him because of the stuff that supposedly was going to happen on S2.
And even then it was pretty fucking sketchy and violent considering the magazine. I'm still amazed that Oshimi got away with what he did.
If it wasn't interesting for anyone else then you wouldn't be having this argument right now.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make you the face of the 'public'.
And are you saying that directors should refrain from doing things differently because the public might dislike it? You're the worst kind of consumer.
Probably not. I think they even just cancelled all the other volumes, out of the few people who preordered the show, even fewer people got the first volume.
However, I hear that the director barely used the budget her received, so it's possible that he can make a second season with it. Very unlikely though.
It's good when directors try something different. However that doesn't mean we have to like the result.
Can we all just leave it at that?
>I think they even just cancelled all the other volumes, out of the few people who preordered the show, even fewer people got the first volume.
Bullshit. Don't believe everything you read on /a/, you piece of shit.
No i'm just saying that different things must have a reason if you don't want to end up doing empty crap.
If edgy people find empty crap interesting that's not my problem.
I actually read it on Sankaku since a friend linked me it. Guess that's proof of how garbage that site is.
Read the manga.
Kasuga makes a fort next to the river for Nakamura and steals a bunch of panties to put in it. He also puts a pair on top of the head of a statue at the school. Saeki gets more and more obsessive and then eventually shows up at the fort and rapes Kasuga (she threatened that she would expose Kasuga and Nakamura if he didn't go along with it) and then burned the fort down. Cops show up at Kasuga's house and his parents forbid him from going outside. Nakamura shows up in the middle of the night and breaks through the front door with a baseball bat. She cracks Kasuga's father's leg with the bat and the two run off. They then attempt suicide by setting themselves on fire with gas at the yearly festival in front of the local news cameras.
Is it so wrong to be freaked out by the uncanny valley?
oh the ironing
Not at all, I honestly liked the rotoscoping for that reason. However it still doesn't excuse shit like >>101731181 from happening.
I am disappointed by the lack of Rotoscoped porn and doujins.
> The grin
You forgot something...
>Read the manga.
Read my post. But now try to understand the words. I already read the manga, dumbass. That's why I said what I said.
IF I SEE THAT FUCKING GHOST ONE MORE TIME
someone post the gif with the hair
They could have at least added lips
i enjoyed this it was a good laugh aswell as the manga
This. I wouldn't have even noticed the manga if it didn't have such a horrible adaptation. Now I've bought a couple of volumes.
>3D is PD
>Lets make 2D look more like 3D
>Lets only use single tone colouring that will ruin all chance of it looking decent at all
B...but my edge!
Only erasing one of these three points the anime would've been much better. But it wouldn't have had this >>101733126 effect.
I think everything went ok after all.
>Didn't they extend out a walking scene that was like three pages long in the manga out to almost 5 minutes?
9 minutes, actually. It was pretty DEEP.
My biggest issue with the anime, is that what it was trying to do didn't fit with the story at all.
The best thing about the manga is the over-the-top, constant suffering, and seeing just how far down the rabbit hole they manage to go. In the anime, while certain scenes definitely managed to reproduce that, it mostly felt like the story was overly stretched out. As much as I usually like long, silent scenes building atmosphere, it really clashed when they went back to character interactions and Kasuga's internal thoughts.
As for the animation, I really didn't have a problem with it, even though it was badly done. I'd love to see this kind of approach used on other stuff, but that's hard to see happening after this flopped.
And there's also the fact that they actually look like middle-schoolers in the manga, so their retarded behavior can be at least somewhat excused. It doesn't work in the anime's favor that they look like collage students.
>tries to sound smart
>spells college collage
Not English, sorry.
And I don't see where I was trying to "sound smart".
>i'm autistic please fuck my face
shut up faggot
Don't worry. People will criticize just for the sake of it. I think they feel somehow smart when they do it.
>i'm autistic and i want to samefag please fuck my asshole
no i wont you queer
No it didn't. It barely helped at all in comparison to more recent anime/manga adaptation tie-ins.
> and the controversy only helped them.
Yeah except most people dropped it after the first episode. I
Of course, I was just curious what he thought was sounding smart.
Calm down anon. Why are you so mad? You should try breathing and counting to ten.
Just ignore him. Probably same guy complaining about moeshit earlier.
> And there's also the fact that they actually look like middle-schoolers in the manga
This is what ruined the series for me. I still don't understand why they chose to make it with adults instead of teenagers. In the series they look seriously retarded while in the manga they look like seriously problematic children.
I didn't mind the artstyle but the pacing was awful. They spent like 10 minutes each episode just walking. JUST FUCKING WALKING. There were so many plot points to hit that made that first arc so hectic and memorable but they focused far too much on the little things.
>falling for the most blatant bait on the face of the earth
I love how this thread is full of edgefag mad and tears.
There is no Aku no Hana anime.
I love aku no hana anime
>Look at this screenshot, isn't it hideous.
If we're cherrypicking here, then see >>101725044. You're not obliged to like it, but it's a bit disingenuous to call it absolutely hideous.
>Rotoscoping was a bad idea.
Financially, probably so. But it increases detail in expressions, adds naturalism in movements, and allows certain scenes to work, such as the classroom and chase scenes. It's a valid stylistic choice, just as much as any other. There is no default style for anime, nor should there be.
>It's different for the sake of being different; pretentious
It starts with underwear theft. Highbrow entertainment this ain't, and the plot is shallow enough a middle-schooler can understand it. It's not a deep show. The unusual elements it takes on are for the sake of atmosphere, not pretense.
>It is unfaithful to the manga.
The project was begun by consulting the mangaka. He provided input on the show and stylistic choices the whole way, and approved of the director's decisions. Much like his work on Mushishi, Hiroshi Nagahama worked to adapt Aku no Hana on a panel-by-panel basis, essentially. No material was cut, and the mood of the show is actually more consistent with the present manga than the manga itself was at that point. It's actually a surprisingly faithful adaptation.
>The pacing was too slow.
I assume you don't mean as a series, because it was obviously patterned on the classical model of pacing and followed it well. Episodically, it was also no different than what you would expect. The complaint usually refers to long scenes such as the opening walk and the infamous six-minute-stroll. In regards to those, that's a fair argument. Neither had to be that long, and not much would have been lost from cutting them. However, please acknowledge that they had some value in building atmosphere, and that those who enjoyed them aren't wrong either. These are opinions.
>Go back to your moeshit / You only like it because it's pretentious.
This isn't discourse. Stop.
>middle left down to bottom left
>to bottom right
>to top right
>to middle top
who made this shitty chart
Why is neo-nakamura so much prettier than shit new girl who I can't even remember the name of?
> But it increases detail in expressions, adds naturalism in movements
Dude, they had no fucking nose and sometimes they had no fucking faces.
>adds naturalism in movements
If done right yes. But rotoscopy is extremely expensive compared with limited animation that's why with a limited budget like Aku no Hana's you end up with very choppy animation and all around bad quality.
the only thing they used rotoscoping for characters that resulting in a more realistic feel was the mouth movement...other than that, not at all- that wasn't even done properly either and it looked like garbage in the end.
They had no noses, shit was horrible, ext ext. The only merit they had was that the characters for once looked like the chinks they were.
This. Voice acting was fucking great.
>If we're cherrypicking here, then see >>101725044
The single-tone coloring of the characters clashes really badly with the extremely well done backgrounds. The contrast is photoshopped-in character-tier. Damn shame the character designs and animation didn't even try to be up to par with the amazing scenery.
>Rotoscoping was a bad idea.
>But it increases detail in expressions, adds naturalism in movements, and allows certain scenes to work, such as the classroom and chase scenes.
The problem is that it does not. In fact, it LIMITS the character expressions because the people handling the animation for this work are, to put it in the nicest way possible, below-minimum wage workers. Rotoscoping is hard-as-balls animation style that looks like pigshit if done on the cheap, which anime usually is, and you can see the animation and character details getting drastically worse episode by episode.
>for once looked like the chinks they were
Adult japs not middle schoolers like it was supposed to be.
Fuck! It was a great opportunity to make uncommon anime but the director really fucked up with the choice of adult actors and rotoscopy.
She is absolutely cute in all those shots.
Fair point. In the closeups, I thought it did well, but it would definitely have been nice to have faces at a distance of more than two meters.
I'll agree with the choppiness. It was pretty jarring at times, but I honestly though a lot of the simple motions looked fine, and that the important ones went excellently.
No noses isn't uncommon anime, and the animation aside, their general facial design choices were fairly conventional, to be honest: the focus on the eyes, the lack of nose, the blush, tears, and sweat.
Difference of tastes, I guess, though I also enjoyed the backgrounds. And the one thing I wish they'd done was add some damn shading. There was one scene in the ending montage where they used proper shading and it looked better than the entire rest of the series.
Regarding the animators, I don't have any experience there, so I'll take your word for it. Still thought it looked good, but again, that's just an opinion.
The entire argument about the art is that it's supposed to stray from conventional anime, and I'm sure you've said this too- so why are you saying the absence of a nose and everything else is OK because "it's done in every other anime, it's conventional"
You lose every ounce of artistic merit once you start excusing certain aspects because it's conventional while claiming everything else is perfectly fine due to an unconventional approach.
I liked it for the same reason, The direction was well executed.
So what should he have done instead? And to everyone out there calling AnH pretentious for gratuitous rotoscope using, what do you think of Trapeze? Actually, why do people hate "pretentious" things? I just don't get it.
>why do people hate "pretentious" things
I don't hate pretentious things. I just don't think they are good just because they are different, some things I find pretentious in one aspect might have other good aspects (Like Aku no Hana atmosphere and music).
What I do hate are hipsters. Who take pretentious things and praise it just because "it's different" or "not moeshit" in /a/'s edgefags argot (like many in this thread) they are as superficial and biased as your everyday haremfag and they should die a painful humiliating death.
I haven't made the argument that the art is supposed to be unconventional, and I haven't excused anything for being unconventional either. Rotoscoping is an unusual base to work from, but the higher-level design choices are nothing you wouldn't see in most of the other airing shows, as said in regards to the faces. The only unconventional aspects, rotoscoping aside, are the camera work, audio direction, and scene length. The first two can stand on their own merits I think, but I've previously agreed that scene length was probably a mistake, regardless of how novel.
I don't mean to say that a lack of noses is fine because it's conventional, though. I feel that the effect worked well enough, but I'm generally pro-noses in anime. That comment was directed at the fact that lack of noses isn't a complaint commonly lodged against other shows.
Sorry about the confusion.
>lack of noses isn't a complaint commonly lodged against other shows.
This is true. But this or another design characteristic has to be viewed together with all the other characteristics. Maybe in one very unrealistic design the lack of nose (or the extremely small nose) is not a big deal because it blends with the rest of the design's characteristics (huge eyes, small mouth, etc).
But in Aku no Hana it looks like they had their noses chopped off because with rotoscopy the shapes "design" end up being very realistic.
I think you are just stumbled upon something big.... :O
I can agree with that. Other shows also have the advantage of shading to show the contours of the imaginary nose, such as in this picture, which I think is how they should have gone from the start.
Yes I agree, with shading actually looks good.
It still doesn't fix the adult acting like a middle schooler problem but it looks much better.
True. I had to pretend they were in high school or it would have killed my suspension of disbelief. It's regrettable, since Nagahama usually casts people of the same age as his characters.
If it's not a hipster (why does /a/ like to misuse this word so much?) saying it, it's a pretty neutral descriptor otherwise.
Yeah, fuck everyone who uses "moeshit". It betrays their frog-in-well mentality, as well as unwillingness to expand and actually enjoy the medium in its entirety.
> why does /a/ like to misuse this word so much?
It's just the edgefags.
> Aku no Hana thread
> anons actually discussing in good will
What the fuck!?