Reminder that Homura still did nothing wrong.
Incoming another quality Madoka circlejerk thread filled with tumble fanfics, the same images all over again and waifufags.
Anything good in this Kirara Magica?
The MamiHomu sol should still be running.
Reminder that Homura damned herself beyond Madoka's salvation and because of her stubbornness Madoka will have to experience losing her best friend and most special person forever despite all her efforts to save her.
SHE'S A BIG DUMMY
QB quoting Three Kingdoms now?
>Homura-chan, you're horrible! How could you do something like this? This isn't what I wanted at all!
>As expected, the devil was trying to trick Madoka and take more of her powers away.
>She's a monster, how could she sink so low?
>Because she's evil, Sakura-san, we were all just [awns in her little game.
>If that's how it is Homura-chan, then I won't hold back in stopping you!
How can they stop her when there's nothing alive left to kill?
With more AI YO
There is something left to kill.
>losing Homura will fill Madoka with enough despair to go witch no matter how many truckloads of grief seeds she tries to clean her soul gem with
At least QB will get his happy ending.
MadoHomu makes me so fucking sad.
>Madoka not forgiving Homura
>Madoka getting this mad over what is essentially a misunderstanding
Who let the edgyfags back in?
So why don't we have scans for the rest of Oriko Magica? Or Suzune Magica? What's going on with those?
Because Madoka has to realize that no matter how hard she tries and how hard she hopes for the best, Homura is too forgone to save and must be destroyed.
Prima is losing interest and there's some sort of issue with the Chinamen and posting RAWs; iirc some guy posted a RAW of a Hong Kong doujinshi and the admin of the forum where we get most of our scans flipped shit like a faggot and banned RAWs from being posted at all.
So...Imma have to have them shipped here and find some anonfag who has a scanner, then?
Seems like a lot of hassle....
The autism is strong with this one.
Why is she wearing Kraehe's dress? What did she do to Rue?
Before you go through trouble you should go ask Prima et al. what they're planning on doing.
Only the most delusional people believe no matter how good Homura's intentions are that she won't die for her and Madoka's sins. She brought it on herself.
Or...I could go buy my manga and enjoy the hell out of it. And if this is an issue a month from now, I could maybe see if someone needs a hand.
Madoka would never do that. If anything, she'd sacrifice herself and become a horrible abomination like Homura. Then Homura will blame herself, and all the hope the two of them created together will end in despair that balances out to nothing.
Homura is already beyond conventional death. Plus the death count for the series is now -1. Grimdark it ain't any more.
Could be more if Kyouko's parents are still alive, etc.
Seriously though, what happened to Homura's parents? Did they abandon her after discovering she's an autistic homosexual? Did they died?
Nobody knows. Maybe they have a tragic backstory that means they have to work far away in order to pay for her hospitalization.
Well Homura said before coming to Mitakihara she used to go to a private school in Tokyo.
Speculah has it that her parents are in Tokyo and they sent Homura to Mitakihara for heart treatments because of the awesome hospitals there.
Where's my doujin where Sayaka walks in on Homura NTRing her with Kyousuke at the hospital?
Vita game Homura states she lives alone, so they're probably dead.
Just trying to save you trouble. Some guy from an earlier thread announced his order had shipped and two posts later the RAWs for Rebellion 3 got posted.
If you take Drama CD 1 as canon, they are alive but extremely negligent.
There are probably ways around the issue. It doesn't seem like Madoka remembering will kill Homura, just wreck her vision.
they work overseas, isn't it obvious?
Homura did everything wrong. She couldn't make things worse even if she tried her best.
Then why wouldn't they take Homura with them? Madoka's parents did.
Right after pervert Madoka suggests taking a bath with her.
She lives alone in the series too, how does that mean anything?
>suggests taking a bath with her.
What the fuck, Madoka.
Just get out of the closet already.
>If you take Drama CD 1 as canon, they are alive but extremely negligent.
I don't remember anything about her parents in that one...
she was sick, needed to stay hospital
Maybe Homura was starting to smell all dirty and sweaty like Kyouko.
She just wanted to wash Homura's amazing hair.
Have you seen Kyouko's hotel room? She's got a massive executive suite, complete with TWO double beds.
If I was a meguca I'll always vote for holding meguca meetings at Kyouko's place rather than Mami's or Homu's.
Goddamn that's a sweet pad.
They abandoned her in the hospital. Wouldn't you if your daughter was that much of a wreck?
I think I'd want to hold doke conferences at Homu's freaky white room at first, but the novelty would probably wear off quickly. The lighting seems harsh and the pendulum would lose its kuuru factor before long.
She also wants to take a bath with everyone more than anyone after they kill Walpugis in the good ending, when Mami is all "There are still people down there we probably need to save"
Eventually she finds a hot spring that was discovered due to all of the destruction from Walpugis attack so they can all take a bath together like she wished. Then Homura wakes up since it turns out the entire game was just her dreaming of a world where everyone didn't have to die and they all could have been saved. Which then leads into Rebellion.
Conferences at Homu's white room would probably be the most productive since it's pretty spartan. You will want to hold all the important meetings there.
Mami's place and Kyouko's hotel room are too cushy, people will be too easily distracted and nothing gets done.
It comes down to the choice between junk food, tea and cake, or looking at all the weird shit in Homu's house.
Madoka asks if her parents would worry if Homura stayed late at Mami's and Homura after a short pause says they wouldn't mind.
>two double beds
>only enough room for 4 meguca
>Mami forced to sleep on the couch
That's pretty damn vague. They could be alive and somewhere else, or they could be dead and Homura doesn't want Madoka to feel bad for her.
Megucas are nice, they will probably fight over the couch just to let the others to sleep on the beds. Then in the end they'll just agree to all sleep on the floor.
Yeah, I don't know. Urobuchi just says he flat-out doesn't care. But she never tells Madoka she lives alone. If her parents are dead I have to wonder where all of Homura's ridiculous dosh is coming from, though.
The same place as her guns. She probably stops time and empties out bank vaults into her shield.
Let's see. Homura will want a bed to herself to sleep next to Madoka, though Madoka would insist on sleeping on the couch. Kyouko would probably offer to sleep on the couch since she's the host and they are her guests. Madoka would argue about it but give up when Kyouko makes it clear she isn't budging on the issue. I don't think Mami or Sayaka would care either way, though Sayaka might be pissy about being made to do it, and probably would prefer to sleeping next to Madoka rather than next to Mami.
I bet she shoves grenades up her vajayjay
She had the house before she became Hommando, and someone has to pay for her care. I'm pretty sure Japan has universal healthcare though, so I dunno how expensive it'd be to pay for an apparently serious heart condition.
Something like that.
Reminder that the lowest level of hell is reserved for traitors and Homura is exactly that.
That's a lot of Häagen-Dazs they're going through.
Who's place is that supposed to be? Sayaka's
Reminder that Homura doesn't give a shit.
Haven't you read Inferno? Homura is the one gnawing on traitors for all eternity!
It is a mystery, and I take it we're never going to get any answers.
>keeping her promise to Madoka through nearly a hundred timelines and 3 universes
Buying a vita?
Buying a vita.
Was planning on it recently so I could get golden, but that thing is still like $250.
And she had to backstab Madoka to do it. Doesn't make it right, she destroyed Madoka's happiness in a grand gesture of self-hating masturbation.
/u/ plz go, you've made it impossible to peacefully discuss this show.
Does Homu think that she did everything wrong?
Not buying a vita?
Not buying a vita.
But Kyubey is the betrayer, Homura is pretty much an agent of Madoka.
Homura's taking the picture. Or something.
How the fuck is Homura a traitor?
Is Kyouko eating a raspberry?
What's wrong with this picture, I can't stop seeing Homura's expression, it's just too cute.
>you can't expect a happy ending just by doing what's right all the time
>would you rather give up on your friend, or give her the wrong idea about you?
Are you fruit-dyslexic?
>she destroyed Madoka's happiness
>this is what Sayakafags actually believe
Junko is literally the best girl. Homura or Kyoko is a close second.
She didn't destroy shit in regards to Madoka's happiness
Madoka can remember shit at any point and get her powers back, Meguka Heaven is still there, but for the time being she can take a vacation as a human and spend time with the family once more. Homura knows this is just a bubble that will oneday burst, but the dream can be enjoyed regardless until then.
>Madoka is overstimulated by cake
Homura reminded her promise with Madoka then she proceeds to resume her mission using the last possibility left, she maintained Madoka wish and made Madoka an human again just like Madoka secretly wished, yes she messed the universe and that's the only reason Madoka is upset, unlike Madoka she does not cares about messing the whole thing to achieve her objective i.e. keep her promise.
Why am I not surprised that /a/, the board full of shut-ins who live their lives vicariously through entertaining yet ultimately pointless and fake fiction, constantly states that what Homura did is okay because gives everyone a fake veneer of happiness?
Even if it's completely hollow and transient.
I can imagine older Homura being like her.
>just like Madoka secretly wished
She never wished that as Madokami. She just thought she wasn't strong enough to become Madokami when she forgot she already was.
I don't think Homura is entirely in the wrong though, she just misunderstood what Madoka wanted because of bad circumstances.
ITT: Deluded Homurafags defend her reprehensible actions to a completely irrational degree
Can't wait for Madoka/Sayaka to fucking slap that bitch upside the head and call her out on being a goddamn traitor psychopath.
Because the rest of the world has yet to figure out how to live their lives.
>the board full of shut-ins
ITT: one samefag pushes his shitty edgy opinion and desires to see Madoka hurt her friend.
More at 11.
How can you destroy that which cannot be ended
With magic, fucking duh
Why is Homura so creepy?
Yeah, that dirty traitor who keeps her promise to Madoka through everything.
Maybe. They're both very goal oriented.
Ah, we're having this argument again. I thought you all were tired from it last night.
In any case, I will only agree so far as harming Madoka's happiness. The gesture itself was nothing like self-hating masturbation
but then, I can't talk too deeply on that because I've never hate fapped so I don't know what that would even look like.
>If she finds out about what Homura's done, she won't be so happy
Stay even MORE delusional.
Homura's new world isn't bad at all by itself. What's bad is how she tore Madoka apart by force to create it, and possibly how her absolute power will corrupt her absolutely.
Which Meguca has the best transformation scene and why is it always Mami?
The fact that you continue to call everyone's happiness fake just proves how desperate and stupid you are.
Did all you deluded Homurafags forget that Madoka wanted to be the one to control the Law of Cycles herself, with her own hands?
And then Homura tore her from it because she's a selfish bitch.
Turn off the WaifuVision and actually think about the characters for more than two seconds.
AI YO cannot be understood by mortals. When we gaze upon it, the mind rebels.
Selfishness or selflessness; what might be right for her might not be right for the world, but their actions were merely two extremes with both being rather similar. Madoka's is just seen as more acceptable as it never had competition before now, but another option was presented where everything is still just as okay for the most part, generally things are the same except even the one who would sacrifice herself for others could be saved in this world. On the outside and going by what we know it is a better option at present, but people merely assume "There has to be something twisted about this evil world of Homura's, since you can't do something this selfish without horrible consequences". At present the only downsides is that the world is ruled by an insane child, but neither she nor her familiars wish harm upon others in her perfect world as long as you don't mess with her love. Also entropy might eventually run into some issues, but there's no telling just yet.
Because of all the suffering she's seen.
But she's already corrupted absolutely, with love
It IS fake, Homura created this creepy-as-hell La La Land where everything is perfect, that's not how the real world works.
All the time loops ending in failure and death made her a little loopy.
Ad Homeniem aside, do try to address the point. It's a simple counter, so you don't need to mock them.
They're deluded into thinking that Ultimate Madoka specifically would be absolutely okay with the world that Homura created. They assume the other girls, given a chance, will blithely go back to their lives without a second thought and acknowledge Akuma Homura as their morning star.
And they completely forgot that these same girls gave up a chance at utter bliss to fight tooth and nail for what they thought was right, not even twenty minutes before Homucifer changed everything.
See? Simple to counter their argument.
It works like that now. That is the power of magic.
It's not perfect at all. It still has Wraiths and magical girls all dying young and shit. It just gave the main cast a chance to be happy again... most of them by accident.
Well, this aspect of it is pretty spiffy.
That's exactly how it works now. She rewrote the universe.
>Implying I don´t like all the megukas
Please, restrain yourself of being a edgy-Homurafag
>that's not how the real world works.
It fucking is now, if you become all powerful then you can say how the world works.
I really doubt Homura is all-powerful.
>And they completely forgot that these same girls gave up a chance at utter bliss to fight tooth and nail for what they thought was right, not even twenty minutes before Homucifer changed everything.
Dude, no one gave up anything. Three of them went in to get Homura, kick Kyubey to the curb, and go back.
>absolute power will corrupt her absolutely
Homura is incorruptible, she is virtually pure love with it alone she fixed Madoka world and made everyone's dreams come true in exchange with her own dream.
Of course she isn't. The plot demands conflict and omnipotence screws that.
There's no evidence that her power has limits like Madoka's.
Gen also said he was done with the series because he finished all he could with Madoka and Homura.
>He doesn't think Madoka will forgive her like she ALWAYS has, especially over what is essentially just a massive misunderstanding
>They're deluded into thinking that Ultimate Madoka specifically would be absolutely okay with the world that Homura created.
Homura's proponents do not. They just think Madoka would forgive her and Homura was acting with good intention based on bad information that Madoka herself gave her by accident.
You don't just assume someone is all-powerful unless proven otherwise.
They—all of them—abandoned the barrier of Homulily's simple dream.
Three of them came to do that initially, got sidetrecked, and decided to wait matters out in order to see what would develop.
All of them, knowing it would kill Homura, knowing it would mean saying goodbye to three new/old and dear friends, KNOWING it would be a goodbye for some time to come before they could ever meet again, charged in with the intent to allow Homura to pass on in peace, despite the challenge and the stakes.
Every one of them gave up something in that fight, whether you wish to believe it or not. Hell, you were even given visual cues of Kyouko coming to terms with that truth.
I don't get it!
What did Homura do to the Incubators at the end of the movie!?
Well, not the one she beat up off screen followed by dancing around, but in general?
When Madoka became god she became omniscient and could see everything that had passed and would ever come to pass. She saw all that Homura did and all that she would do and with all that in her mind she looked at Homura and said that she is her very best friend.
Homu was wrong when she failed to have any big bouncy boingy drills.
>Homura's proponents do not. They just think Madoka would forgive her and Homura was acting with good intention based on bad information that Madoka herself gave her by accident.
As amazing as it may seem, Madoka is still a human.
And humans tend to have breaking points where they realize that what they're doing is not working, unless they're literally insane.
>You don't just assume someone is all-powerful unless proven otherwise.
She overcame Madoka, so she proved herself more omnipotent than the previously strongest being in the series. If anyone considered Madoka Omni then Homura is only more so in whatever respect, and either way she's far beyond anything else that would show up in the series here.
Reminder that Homura doesn't see Madoka as a person and has completely disrespected all that Madoka gave up to create on behalf of the entire world.
>They—all of them—abandoned the barrier of Homulily's simple dream.
That was already falling to pieces by itself. It was never going to last.
She kicked them out of her dream world with her bow and Madoka, then she stopped them from leaving her universal rewrite later on so they could not plot against her, and she keeps him around as a punching bag now.
That's not how it works you stupid fucking piece of trash. Omnipotent means having literally infinite power. Her being "stronger" than Madoka means nothing more than that. And only a complete moron would think Madokami was ever omnipotent.
Actually Homura abandoned it. Nobody else knew what was going on. Homura blew it up and made it a nightmare and became a witch before anyone knew what was happening.
At that point it was either leave Homura alone or fight her.
She enslaved an innocent race who were trying to protect the universe out of fear that they might somehow interrupt her lust frenzy.
She rewrites the universe, explains shit to QB like she knows exactly what's going on, gets his furry white ass back here to collect grief cubes or whatever, can wipe Sayaka's memory and take away her witch form, and can keep Madoka human. I'm sure she can do some other shit too, but we haven't seen it yet.
>Homura doesn't see Madoka as a person
That's a really nice fanfic.
Yes, you're agreeing with my point. Madoka will forgive her like she always does.
Homura made a mistake, and what she did was not okay by any means, but she didn't exactly make anything worse as far as we know, for the time being. She acted in good faith and with a general care about Madoka's well being, but her decision was based on bad information given to her by Kyuubey and Madoka, Madoka's being unintentional and based in ignorance of her position, and Kyuubey's based in arrogance and ignorance of Sayaka's and Bebe's role.
So you think "omnipotent" means "has lots of powers"?
>implying /a/ didn't like the meducas before tumblr became a popular pile of shit
You assume the misunderstanding is massive, when it's just simple.
Madoka has underestimated, even after gaining omniscience, just how far Homura is willing to go in order to save her "one and only friend".
Knowing that, do you honestly believe the situation as it stands, "god on high and the devil on Earth", that a simple apology and acceptance would really resolve this issue?
Because I sincerely doubt the world, and the two, themselves, would be so kind to one another, now that the stakes are so high.
But she doesn't, or at least she realistically couldn't. Madoka isn't a person in her eyes, Madoka is a variable.
Let me know when she fails at anything she tries after becoming a devil.
Again, nice fanfic. You should publish it on Fanfic.net or tumblr.
Two lines go forward infinitely but start at the same time, one moves at 5MPH and the other moves at 10MPH, both lines are infinite and will go on endlessly, but the one that is faster will of course always gain a mark on the slower one and will only continue to gain more and more space between the two with time.
>Three of them came to do that initially, got sidetrecked, and decided to wait matters out in order to see what would develop.
I don't agree that they got side tracked, well maybe Nagisa. Sayaka knew exactly why she's there the whole time and didn't show any reluctance in giving Homura hints to push her along to discovering the truth.
What Sayaka did was offer Homura a choice: she could dig deeper to find out the truth about that strange Mitakihara, or she could just live happy and oblivious. Which ever she chooses she needs to make sure that's what she wants so there's no regret afterwards.
Had Homura then decided "no actually this place seems pretty good, let's forget I've ever had any suspicion". The three megucas would probably just leave her be.
Goodbye? They had already vanished from the world. At worst, they just temporarily got back something they'd already lost.
And Homura started breaking down the world when she noticed something was strange. They abandoned nothing. It wasn't up to them.
>completely disrespected all that Madoka gave up
That's why she left the Law of Cycles in place and her friends alive, right?
The only thing Homura did was give back what Madoka had to give up, while leaving her will in place, at least as dictated by Madoka in the garden. Homura does not know that Madoka was happy in her position because Madoka herself told her she was unhappy.
I doubt she'd get that upset over a misunderstanding that is partially her fault to begin with. She might think what Homura did is horrible at first but I doubt she'd be angry when Homura explained. And Homura clearly isn't beyond explaining when cornered.
That would be a lot less perturbing if Homura wasn't fondling Madoka's hair. Returning the favor for when Madoka tried to braid her hair maybe.
You have absolutely no reason to think that Homura is omnipotent. It would not only be narratively uninteresting, but remove any concept of "balance" that remained in this series.
Even if that analogy was at all relevant, Madokami is not fucking omnipotent anyway so it doesn't even apply.
reminder that madoka is shit
>that a simple apology and acceptance would really resolve this issue
Surprisingly, at least from an emotional standpoint, yes. In regards to fixing what Homura fucked up, that might be more complicated.
When a person gives up everything to create a better future for you, you respect that. When a person asks you not to fight with her friends, you respect that. When an undesirable variable enters the equation, you go to whatever lengths you're willing to in order to change that.
>That's why she left the Law of Cycles in place
Do the words "with my own hands" mean anything to you? Homura fans give just as little of a shit about Madoka as a person than Homura herself does, it seems.
What did she fuck up if Madokami returns?
Homura did ONE thing wrong and that was telling QB about Madoka. What the fuck was she thinking?
Second part meant for >>101708271.
You are such a deluded retard.
>Do the words "with my own hands" mean anything to you?
That was to get around QB's Jewery.
QB did nothing wrong you little shit.
It could have lasted easily. All Homura needed to have done was ignore the niggling feeling in her head and continue on. She was the one that started the dominoes toppling. Sayaka even told her to brace herself so that whatever she did, she wouldn't have any regrets over the results.
Homura chose to start the fall.
>Nobody else knew what was going on.
When told, they reacted in kind. Kyouko was ready and willing, but was told to cool out by Homura. Mami was informed by Nagisa and needed little convincing further to act.
It was Homura's barrier, but they were all living their own sweet dream, which they surrendered with conviction.
By your own stupid logic, Homura respects Madoka.
Then she has the same power level as Madokami, but with a different set of restrictions on it. Madoka operates the law of cycles, while Homura protects Madoka at any cost.
>forgetting about how Madoka explicitly asks Homura to go back in time and save her from getting QBed
We don't know yet. I assume there must be something if we're going to have any conflict to continue on with. The only known fuck-up is that nobody's trying to prevent the heat death of the universe as far as we know and now Madoka's self-confidence is probably sapped because Homura doesn't understand how important Madokami was to her because Madoka said being Madokami would hurt her, thus confusing Homura (accidentally).
There's probably something, but like I said, I don't think Madoka would begrudge Homura for acting on false info she herself gave Homura by accident.
You think Madoka cares about how the magical girls are saved rather than about the fact that they are saved? I doubt she's that petty.
They could cut out that part of the wish entirely, really. But it would have made the end of the series less bittersweet.
Did anyone in Meguca Meduka do anything wrong?
So nothing according to canon. Cool.
Wow, look at all the canon evidence and well-thought logic in that rebuttal.
Did you pass out every single time Madoka lamented not being able to help the people around her? Her wish and its wording weren't just a means of getting around QB's bullshit, it was her way of driving it home that she wanted to reach out and be helpful to the girls that had come before her.
Yes, I do think she cares, given that she wanted to be someone that helped those around her the way Mami did. There's nothing petty about that,
Sayaka and Mami are both murderers
She's a devil now. She has to be at least a little creepy. And Madoka doesn't seem to mind.
But the picture will have changed. Madoka will understand how far Homura is willing to take her love. While yes, I agree with you that on an emotional level, they'll forgive and cherish one another, reality itself is not nearly as kind, patient, or forgiving. She has to answer Homura's level of ambition with something equal or greater than, or else nothing will be resolved.
Mami did. She saved just herself instead of saving her parents, too.
>with my own hands
Yes, and subsequently Madoka tells Homura that doing it with her own hands would hurt Madoka badly (She doesn't REALLY believe this as Madokami but due to the context of Homulilly's barrier and not remember who she is, she tells her this anyway), thus allowing Homura to discard this desire of Madoka because Madoka seems to be telling her that she didn't really want that.
>Did you pass out every single time Madoka lamented not being able to help the people around her? Her wish and its wording weren't just a means of getting around QB's bullshit, it was her way of driving it home that she wanted to reach out and be helpful to the girls that had come before her.
She would still be a magical girl and could help people other then magical girls if she did not do it by her own hand. Much more useful.
A witch when Madoka wished for no more witches? The moment part of Homura sensed that she would never let it go.
>All Homura needed to have done was ignore the niggling feeling in her head and continue on
Which is completely out of character for Homura.
Homura. She don´t care about her other friends. It´s not enough to "live in a new world"
Sayaka fucked up pretty good in the series, and Mumi died because she was stupid.
>She has to answer Homura's level of ambition with something equal or greater than, or else nothing will be resolved.
Basically it won't really be a happy ending unless Madoka returns Homura's feelings.
The thing that will bite Homura later on regardless of what she has done or not done here in reality, is Sayaka. Justice means not letting such a thing go, even if it is an outcome that is better for all. Since an outcome that is better which rests on a lie is still wrong at the end of the day. A lie can't be the base of a tree, otherwise it might blow away.
That's not for you to decide. Her wish was to help magical girls as a symbol of hope that would shine through their sadness, not to be useful in ways that outside parties dictate.
I'm for Homura, and I just said emotionally, an apology would be enough. Should she have broken something hypothetically, it wouldn't be enough to work that out, though Madoka would not be upset at Homura for doing what she did. That is all I am arguing.
>Basically it won't really be a happy ending unless Madoka returns Homura's feelings.
>A happy ending
I...just don't know what to say anymore.
Meguca hair touching is pretty great.
She also murdered Kyouko, her old friend and former partner, in cold blood. Traitorous bitch.
It might have to do with that expression Homura always wears after becoming a devil. The bags/wrinkles too.
On the other hand, it doesn't feel right with Madoka smiling in that scenario.
It's called a mercy killing.
Were you the one that stole the poster?
If anything Mami just panicked because she wasn't able to handle the truth at the time. In a way, she was really doing Kyoko a favor.
Homura isn't going to rape Madoka, calm your doubles, tripfag.
Not when Kyouko is perfectly fine and non-witchy. Mami was just dumb and a crybaby.
No she wasn't. Not all the megucas would rather die than become a witch.
it probably was, harry is indian.
If she was a magical girl, she could turn into a witch and eat everything.
She would decide to help the greater amount. If she could help normal people AND magical girls she would. Getting around Karmic backlash is much more plausable.
That would be something Madoka would want, and Homura isn't into giving Madoka happiness.
>On the other hand, it doesn't feel right with Madoka smiling in that scenario.
Madoka is going to be drawn to Homura despite (or even because of!) her creepy infatuation with Madoka. It's inevitable.
It's noted in interviews that she had a very cold and calm judgement at the time, which is why she targeted Kyouko first and stopped Homura before she could use time-stop. Her only mistake as noted was underestimating that Madoka would do what she had to do there and take the shot, she expected Madoka to be weaker and thought her grief would would slow her actions there after everything that had happened.
So you're going to ignore the completely valid counterargument here >>101708655 then?
Nice to see how we're playing it.
Think about it this way. By putting a bullet through a soul gem you're preventing that person from ever being saved by Godoka. Instead they just die for good.
I can almost hear Homura breathing heavily on Madoka's neck as she fondles her hair.
>Homura isn't going to rape Madoka
Again, you mean?
Homura would pick the wrong option.
Madokas are not for raping, they are for loving gently.
Debatable. It's likely that Madokami takes in all whose Soul Gems are destroyed, whether it's by being contaminated by despair or just breaking.
This. Madoka doesn't share this ridiculous blind hatred some people have for Homura, she's not Sayaka.
There's nothing gentle about Madoka's love.
Mami is truly worst meguca.
Homura should have vaporized her soul gem with that neat laser trick in every timeline after that.
Reminder that Homu is an ugly whiny emo cunt that has friendship issues.
>inb4 someone greentexts all of the negative features I highlighted and responds to each individually
charlotte didn't save her mom
Yes. Before you ask, I haven't had a chance to scan them due to uni, work and Canadian weather. There's a snowstorm every other day.
You mean not the bottom left? Because that seems the best way to have your hair braided.
I didn't even see it until now.
That is true and a good point, but once more, I don't think Homura could realistically see Madoka as a person after timelooping as many times as she did. Between the way she treats Madoka's friends and Rebellion itself, nothing communicates to me that she still views Madoka as another person rather than an idea to obsess over or a variable she's needed to alter a hundred times.
You forgot treacherous, spiteful, ungrateful and downright rotten. Her death will be the high point of the series. I want to see her obliterated as Madoka watches on in horror unable to do anything.
Cool fanfiction bro.
>she's not Sayaka
Sayaka doesn't have Homura, else why did she volunteer to come save her from the Isolation Field?
They just disagree on some ideological issues.
There's no evidence that she views Madoka as a tool, but there is evidence that she views her as a person. Fuck off back to tumblr.
Sometimes I wonder how Mami hasn't smashed/shot Homura's soul gem yet. They probably hated each other in more than one timeline.
Mami didn't want her friends to turn into murderous insane monsters. You can't hate her for that.
qb pls go
Go to bed Homura
and yet i would pick homunator if i had to choose a roommate among them.
Right, of course, ideological issues. I agree with that, I just wanted to make a joke about Sayaka.
I think neither of us will ever agree on this point until we get more information about Homura but thank you for not completely disregarding it like a faggot.
No way, Sayaka would be the best roommate
>new meguca becomes friends with the main group
>ends up being the one to kill Homu
Imagine the shitstorms
Yes I can. The alternative of being dead is worse.
In before blah, here's the exact quote.
>In "Key Animation Note Volume 5,P194", Yukihiro Miyamoto (the series director of Puella Magi Madoka Magica) says that Mami binds Homura and kills Kyoko "in calm judgment." Mami thus may have been calmer than she first seemed, especially since she did not despair and turn into a witch immediately. Her method of attack was also strategic. She began by killing Kyoko, who is a close-range combat expert possessing high speed and agility, then tying up Homura to prevent her from using time manipulation and leaving Madoka, who is timid and held much admiration for her (and thus was not expected to react so quickly) to last. Thus it is likely that Mami of Timeline 3 doesn't actually lose her mind.
>Yukihiro Miyamoto's quote is "I like Mami's calm judgment. Firstly, she binds Homura who has the ability to manipulate time. Subsequently, she kills Kyoko who has the powerful offensive power. Mami's only miscalculation is that Madoka's mind is stronger than she assumed."
>Mami is truly worst meguca
fucking gg no re
Yeah nah, I don't think you can add any more meguca, it's crowded as it is.
Oriko and Kirika for S2
Mami confirmed for sociopath
Dude what, being a witch is way worse than being dead.
I know one you could do well and get rid of though. Homura.
No problem, I hate when people disregard my points as well so I try not to skip over shit.
And I agree there. Rebellion seems like a turning point where if there's any continuation it'll probably be at least partly from Homura's point of view. Guess we'll have to see how it pans out if it does end up happening.
>Being a viscous out-of-your-mind-with-grief monster that murders people is better than dying
Mami confirmed for doing what had to be done.
Only a matter of time until MGNQ is canon.
>I try not to skip over shit.
Is that why you don't proof read your stupid fanfics?
Can I interrupt this argument a moment to just say how fucking awesome Mami is? She styled all over EVERYONE in the movie. Nothing in regards to that fight was an asspull.
Even the part where she tails Homura. Out-Batman'ing Time Travel Batman. The fuck.
Pic related. Part I overlooked in the movie showing she was three steps ahead of Homura already.
>Nothing in regards to that fight was an asspull.
Except the entire ending of the fight. Homura's fak suicide and Mami's clone were both really contrived and anti-climatic.
>Hitomi becomes a meguca
>She kills Homura
>Hitomi quickly becomes friends with Kyoko and still gets dickings from Kyosuke
>don't proof read
Did you mean proofread, retard?
Homura was okay with becoming a witch as long as Madoka was with her. There's also that one in a million chance where turning into a witch worked out pretty damn well when she accepted her suffering, filled her soul gem with despair, and became a devil.
Sayaka starts out dumb, but she learns. She's even useful.
>Being a viscous out-of-your-mind-with-grief monster that murders people
I see you're talking about Mami.
Mami-san is the best. This was never in question.
All goes out the window when he knows a time-traveler that could have gone back in time and just helped a few of them not contract thus saving them entirely rather than just "Killing them with mercy". She knew Homura was a time-traveler as Homura acted stupid when she first came back in time and was all "I've come from the future and QB is trying to trick you all, and we turn into witches" to which Sayaka went "You're crazy, also stop shooting off bombs near by during battle". Sure even if she time-travels Homura wouldn't be able to let Mami and Kyouko not contract, but Sayaka and Madoka could still be saved which is a chance she could have taken.
Mami was selfish and just put it in her own hands to decide their fates even if some of them wanted to continue to fight, and thus she would have denied the perfect world where everyone could have been saved in every time-line later on due to a miracle of Madoka becoming Madokami. If Mami had succeeded there then all magical girls remain doomed forever, which despite being hindsight is still an example of why you can't just mercy kill all your friends like Lord Genome who decided that Anti-Spiral was right in the end and thus go "Greater good" when a better result can be created if you aren't just picking the easy way and forcing everyone's hands.
She wasn't fighting Octavia like the others were either, so she was probably piecing this all together during that time.
Remember that Mami is the most veteran girl, she's been doing this longer than anyone else. Her primary reason for doing it is that she understands herself to be doing good.
The witch revelation means that she is completely wrong on that, and the only good left she can do is prevent those whom she cares about from becoming monsters like Sayaka did.
She would give up the world for Madoka, which is fucking retarded. What the fuck makes you so special?
I think it's more that Homura never had time to ease back and relate to Madoka normally. Madoka vanished right after her wish so Homura's relationship with her is still frozen in "time loop, must save Madoka" mode.
>Homura was okay with becoming a witch as long as Madoka was with her
Most of the time witches don't hang out in groups, and I don't think they can pop over to another witch's barrier for a tea party. Homulily's barrier is already a hell for lacking Madoka, as if the endless fruitless executions weren't bad enough.
>She knew Homura was a time-traveler
>Mami was selfish
You keep using that word.
THIS ONE'S FOR YOU, MOM AND DAD!
>This. Madoka doesn't share this ridiculous blind hatred some people have for Homura, she's not Sayaka.
>blind hatred for Homura
Seriously man, stop with your "piss off Sayaka/Justicefags" act. Will you tell me that defending The Law of Cycles (created by Madoka or she herself) is an act of hate towards Homura? Sayaka knows that the new world is not the correct one (the one created by Madoka)
>endless fruitless executions
It was going to be a single one and the result was Homura dying For Real.
Will you please stop namefagging.
Actually, there's plenty of evidence that Homura view Madoka as a person—indeed as a person she cares dearly for—over an abstract item that refuses to conform to the ideals in Homura's own head.
To begin with, Homura takes NO action at any time that could be considered inhumane against Madoka. She's harsh, blunt, and at one point even cruel, but it's almost never without compassion.
Contrast with the other girls. One time, Homura outright lashes out in honest anger and frustration toward Sayaka. She speaks loudly of her resentment and issues with Mami in the movie. In both regards, Homura has shown to dismiss them as obstacles should they ever present themselves as such.
Yet, she will bend over backward for Madoka, even when Madoka proves to be, time and again, her BIGGEST obstacle.
Even doujin have highlighted how simple it would be to safeguard Madoka's life by opting to take away all freedoms. Hell, even relocate towns if necessary. Kyouko says such to Sayaka over the matters of Kyousuke—a brutal but truthful proposal for the one Sayaka "loves".
Homura never opts what would be the most beneficial for her. She still cares for Madoka, and, as much as she can, tries to honor the values Madoka has invested in her friends, family, and Mitakihara.
This is the reasoning that makes the Akuma turn in Rebellion so potent. It's the first time that Homura says "I'm going to do what -I- want, now."
That's not the behavior of someone who sees their love as an idea of infatuation
Mami is the best duelist.
If Madoka didn't have that last grief seed in timeline 3, we'd probably have seen a pink and purple spiral like the red and blue one. In a world of magic, is it not possible for a pair of megucas who loved each other in life and death to become a 2 for 1 special on witches?
>oh baww megucas become witches i should just murder all my friends because im an emo fuck who cant do anything useful
You know what Homura did when she found out megucas became witches, probably in timeline 1? She calmly accepted it and went on with her life. She only killed Madoka when she specifically asked her to.
Those pits are way too lewd.
That's also definitely true. It's odd, she probably knows Madoka insanely well in certain ways just for having been alongside her for many different timelines, yet one has to wonder if she'd be able to describe Madoka or talk about her in the same way old friends can talk about/describe each other.
It'd be neat if there was something akin to Nisio's Over Heaven, but for Homura. A diary series for her, basically.
>Mami will never teach you gunkata
That's probably good, since something horrible is bound to happen to you.
Mami is the best grill
It is better than dying though.
>you will never become a mammaton cleric
Reminder for Sydney bros that the Newtown meguca screening is at 4pm and you should come on down to the Courthouse hotel.
Mami and Homura are two different people who react to situations differently, much like most different people. You see, certain things affect people in different ways. You can't hold everyone to the same standard. Mami only did what she thought was best for everyone. There was no malice. The ends justified the means. This is what justice is. There has to be force if you truly intended to spread your good intentions. Just like Madoka when she threw Sayaka's Soul Gem, or Homura when she ripped Madoka from the LoC.
>You will never have a cool name for your ultimate attack
>You know what Homura did when she found out megucas became witches, probably in timeline 1?
You mean timeline 2. And she freaked the fuck out, told the girls Kyuubey was lying to them, and was disbelieved.
Until Sayaka became the demons, anyway.
All of those things were wrong.
Ends and means. Come on, this is fucking third grade shit.
when kicking someone in the balls you can scream ''globus exterminatore''
Coobie apologists pls go.
Entropy defense force, pls go
Mami reacted stupidly and thought mass murder of megucas was the answer. Homura could have really fucked up the law of cycles, but she didn't.
Honestly I think I'd be more understanding if Mami was in full despair mode and about to turn into a witch herself. That would almost excuse her actions.
I thought Sayaka always went witch in every timeline, including 1. If she did, Homura would have known that megucas become witches before making the contract.
Sayaka always becomes a witch/dies. She probably died before becoming meguca in Homu's original timeline.
>Madoka wants to save Homura
>can't, has to watch Homura destroy herself because Madoka overlooked her feelings
I hope she can keep up being a benevolent goddess after knowing she lost the person she cared most for, and it was all her fault.
>Sayaka always becomes a witch
Why is she so weak?
Gen said Sayaka always become witch if she contracts.
But that doesn't rule out the possibility that there exist timelines where she doesn't contract all and thus survives to Walpurgis Night. In timeline 1 at least she wasn't a magical girl when Homura showed up at school, else she would surely be together with Mami and Madoka.
Given the whole thing with Kyousuke though it's probably rather unlikely.
I don't think it's stupid. Mami's actions make a lot of sense if you look at it form her perspective. All this time, she thought she was fighting witches and saving people. But it turns out, she's just going to turn into the monsters she's fighting eventually and is going to end up killing people herself. Also, her only friend is the one who orchestrated the entire situation. So to continue fighting witches and saving people, she has to kill Magical Girls.
>onestly I think I'd be more understanding if Mami was in full despair mode
She probably was. It had a severe emotional impact on her.
>no regret afterwards
Homura create the same thing as fake Mitakihara at the end but Sayaka go against it.
Why Sayaka is such a Bitch?
>The Nutcracker Witch. Its nature is self-sufficiency. Its gallant form, which once split many nuts, is now useless. Without any other purpose, this witch's last wish is her own execution. However, a mere decapitation will not clear away the witch's sins. This foolish witch will forever remain in this realm, repeating the procession to her execution.
>Given the whole thing with Kyousuke though it's probably rather unlikely.
Unless QB just, you know, didn't approach her for a contract.
Because that's exactly what Sayaka warned her about? If you decide to destroy your own dream world you better be damn sure you've thought this through so you won't regret it.
Homura did the exact opposite, she destroyed her dream world then went right on to AI YO and create a dream universe.
>Had Homura then decided "no actually this place seems pretty good, let's forget I've ever had any suspicion". The three megucas would probably just leave her be.
Then why she go against Homura at the end?
Because Sayaka is a bitch who loves to ruin everything?
It's not the world itself that Sayaka objects to, it's the fact that Homura did something weird to Madoka and tampered with the Law of Cycles. Is following the conversations the characters have really that difficult?
Oh don't keep acting like Mami did what she had to, made the correct choice, or showed her strength by killing her friends in that trying time. All she did was show her own broken nature as she realized that everything she did was basically for naught, as she realized that if this was correct then she'd become a monster upon her soul gem becoming tainted she would end up hurting more than she saved. This was especially hard for her who devoted herself to saving as many people as possible after failing to save her family due to something she blames herself for after realizing she could have just contracted to protect all of them.
Upon realizing her redemption was a lie and that they would all become monsters she took their fates into her own hands in her brokenness, but that doesn't mean it was correct or strong. She would take her sins to the grave with her by betraying them all, but that's not to say there wasn't a better way that existed, and if asked none of the girls would have agreed with such an action as most likely they would have wished to either fight or decide their own fate even if they found out what they would become. All this really showed was Mami's nature at it's core once you strip away her sempai act; she's someone putting on a good girl act while being more twisted than any of them even if it's in a way that lacks malice, and of course she's twisted after losing her family, being exposed to this day in and day out, having no one close by, and then finding out the only path she had going for her anymore would only lead to her hurting others eventually which makes a joke of everything she's done to date. This is why she commits suicide in so many time-lines we've seen when shit goes wrong.
Mami's power was gunkata. Homura TAUGHT HERSELF how to do it to a degree that she could fight on par with a veteran like Mami.
>Mami's power was gunkata
Except that's fucking wrong? Mami's power was ribbons. She learned how to make guns and learned how to use them.
because muh justice
I suppose it doesn't really matter whether or not Homura knew the fate of megucas when she contracted. She'd have done it anyway like Madoka did.
That's when Mami becomes the enemy. You can't kill people for crimes they haven't committed yet unless you're literally a time traveler.
but all that easy witch energy
Personally, I was too busy following the lollipop.
>in calm judgment
Hand tremble and the face like that is calm judgement? or Mami is in just orgasm because she satisfy her own justtice
You basically described why Mami's actions were logical and not evil at all.
Sayaka has very low potential as a magical girl, so she's not going to be high priority for QB. He generally only contracts her because it helps goad Madoka into a contract.
Except that's fucking wrong? Sayaka's power was healing but she still was a master swordsman who could make and use swords like a fucking pro. Let me guess, she secretly trained in a hyperbolic time chamber with swords off screen, right?
No, she got that all in the magical girl package just like Mami got her gun powers in her package. The only thing Homura had was time powers and hammerspace. She was weak as fuck as we already saw and trained herself to use each and every weapon.
>not evil at all
>You can't kill people for crimes they haven't committed yet unless you're literally a time traveller.
Or a prophet
If you're going to leave exceptions like that then it cuts both ways. You can't have your cake and eat it too
Sayaka got her swords when she contracted. Mami did not get her muskets when she contracted. That's a huge difference.
>The only thing Homura had was time powers and hammerspace.
But she's zipping around and flying and shoot purple energy balls. Watch the fucking show. Hell, watch Rebellion too.
You can if you're the devil.
I like how Mami has Nagisa and yet TDSfags are always like "Why didn't Kyouko come stay with Mami? She's all lonely."
No she's not! But I know someone who is.
Homura lives on a chair on a cliff now, she can't have guests
I wonder what futures Oriko is seeing in her visions in Homura's new world.
Assuming Homura isn't so petty as to work her completely out of the universe.
Not evil, but logical definitely isn't the word, and by far she wasn't doing what she had to do or making the hard choices there for the best. She was making a choice that fit her character because she couldn't keep going anymore and tried to take the sins with her even if no one would forgive her for this, but it is a great thing that she failed due to Madoka shooting her in the back so that a good end could be created.
It was a Mami sort of choice, but it definitely was not a correct choice, rather it's a bit outside of simple good and evil like a lot of Homura's choices in Rebellion. It's about accepting people for what they are at times, and even if she did what she thought she had to that doesn't mean it's the path.
KyouMami >>>>>>>>>>>>> KyouSaya
Really? That's a fact? By all means show me the details of Mami's first time as a magical girl where she learns all her powers and invents and trains to use the guns. Surely you can pull this up and back up your statements. I wouldn't dare accuse you of talking out of your ass and making up bullshit.
>Homura did the exact opposite
What are you refer to?
She expand the world in her own dream world to cover the whole universe, how can she do the opposite of what she wants?
and now Sayaka try to against Homura again despite that Homura do what she really want.
Why Sayaka is such a bitch?
So AI YO is not what Homura want?
I think you are delusional to think that Homura do what she don't want since what she want the most is to protect Madoka not be together with Madoka.
That's why she protect that smile while a bitch like Sayaka will cry her eye out because she still have a BIG regret left.
It's her world, she can make more chairs
I'm all for KyouSaya and I still think Kyouko should be living with Mami in the ideal world instead of Sayaka's place.
It doesn't seem very reasonable for Sayaka's parents to just accept a hobo into their household. Plus it kind of makes relationship growth between them too trivial.
Then again, this is Homura's dream work, she's a flaming homosexual and Kyouko's sacrifice in timeline 5 has probably affected her a lot. She ships them hardcore.
It's in the PSP game, dude, this is common knowledge. I'm guessing you only started browsing meguca threads recently.
But does she want to?
The only one who suffer at the end of rebellion because she have a REGRET in her life.
Sometimes you just feel like sitting in another chair, and sometimes you might want to have company over to sit in that other chair.
It's pretty logical. Witches are bad; we must kill Witches. If possible, stop Witches before they even come into being, i.e, by killing Familiars. Magical Girls turn into Witches as well, therefore, to kill Witches before they even come into being, we must kill Magical Girls. It's like 2+2.
I honestly can't understand what you're even saying in this post.
>I don't agree that they got side tracked, well maybe Nagisa.
All three, Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa, were given new forms in Homulily's barrier. Madoka completely forgot her intent, and it was left to the other two to lay low until circumstances changed.
Other than that, you're pretty accurate.
I do believe you've narrowed your field of vision too much. Re-expand until you can see that all six girls were really good friends and they would be saying goodbye to a very sweet dream and one another for some time.
And they did abandon one other thing: Their duty as Puella Magi. They could have killed Homulily. They instead broke QB's neutralization field in order to allow the Law of Cycles to take Homura.
KyouHomu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KyouMami ?=(difference is insignificant because of the scale) KyouSaya
PSP games aren't canon. Fluff up your posts with as much empty trashtalking as you want, it's not gonna make your points any more valid. I'm not gonna boast about being some super madoka oldfag like that's a fucking accomplishment when 2011 was only 3 fucking years ago and everyone and their mom participated in those threads.
But Kyoko and Homura are just kind of similar and look really nice in pictures together/the few scenes they have together. The pairing in itself is nonexistent.
Girl is stubborn. Nothing else to say on that point.
>A witch when Madoka wished for no more witches?
She wished to stop the witches before they could be born. And also, as just said, stubborn girl.
Mumi a shit.
I prefer Kyouko's way of dealing with witches.
KyouHomu a top tier pair, but I just can't say it's better than HomuMado.
>She expand the world in her own dream world to cover the whole universe, how can she do the opposite of what she wants?
That's not quite what she did. She decided to tear down her dream world. Then the LoC trio came to save her and she back flipped and decided to recreate the universe with AI YO.
Sayaka's point was that if you're going to decide to end your escapism, you should stick to it. Else you should just stay in your ideal dream world. There's nothing wrong with escapism in and of itself, even if Sayaka herself disagrees with it. You're certainly not suppose to forcibly pull everyone into your ideal world.
>and now Sayaka try to against Homura again despite that Homura do what she really want
Does having tomatoes thrown at herself by her familiars and all that behaviour under the half-moon seen like Homura is happy with everything to you?
>So AI YO is not what Homura want?
No shit. Homura wants to be together with Madoka. Specifically she wants to be with her in the ways of the innocent days when she first meet her. Now in the AI YO universe Homura can never achieve that any more since Madoka to her is as different as ants to a human.
But the PSP game is more canon than your own personal speculation, such as "Mami got her muskets the instant she contracted, and therefore her gunkata powers are instinctual".
>I prefer Kyouko's way of dealing with witches.
What, letting people die? Even Kyouko went back to the ways of justice at the end, you're just being edgy.
Nah guys, this is broTP, we've been through this. It's simply on a different echelon. Homura and Kyouko are one of the few relationships that feel natural, human. There's no ideals or star-crossed lovers destiny shit in the way. They can just be themselves.
It was a calm judgment that can come in an instant. Whether she stayed like that the whole way through was likely impossible for her.
She's not Kiritsugu.
Read the other posts faggot
>Madoka completely forgot her intent
No, Godoka specifically gave her memories to Sayaka and Nagisa for safe keeping so that she can slip into the Isolation Field while stay under QB's radar.
>It's simply on a different echelon
I'm not sure that's the word you're looking for
>show your proof
>someone proves you wrong
>hurr dat duznt cout
in a different*, excuse me.
It's common knowledge by now. PSP and materials confirm Mami's power is ribbons. She trained herself on flintlocks after a traumatic incident resulted from her not being able to save a person inside a witch's barrier. She needed more offensive ability and thus started studying guns.
Modern guns were too much for her to idealize, but flintlocks worked for her.
>There's no ideals or star-crossed lovers destiny shit in the way
Sounds like a pretty normal, human-like and therefore boring relationship. You could have Kyouko and Madoka hanging out and be themselves too. What's so special about Kyouko and Homura?
She's not happy, but she is satisfied. Homura accepted both her hope and despair, putting shit in balance.
I hope to see more KyouHomu bro in whatever comes next.
Pretty much. It's really hard for both of them to let their guard down around other people, yet here they are.
I don't understand it either, man, but they will go on for hours about this "brOTP" stuff.
I liked KyouHomu before it was cool. Just saying.
Having friends at all is out of the ordinary for Homura.
>therefore boring relationship
I was with you until this. Have you not seen ToraDora?
Call me when Kyouko and Madoka do that and prove me wrong. Until then, KyouHomu will be the broTP.
>She's not happy, but she is satisfied
I'm having difficulty imagining that mix of emotions.
Here let me show you where I'm coming from. Here is a picture combining ending of the series manga and Rebellion manga. The left most page is the end of the series.
I maintain that regardless of what mask Homura wears (that includes this new devil mask), she is still the same Moemura underneath. In fact she desires nothing better than for herself to shed all these masks and go back to the gentle person she once was and meet Madoka again as if timeline 1. After all that was when the two of them were the closest.
When she AI YO'd, she realises that she is killing the final glint of hope of that future because from now on she and Madoka will exist on totally different level of existence. Sure she can change Madoka's memory so she remembers nothing and loves her, but it's not the same any more and never will be. But she accepts this, as this is the only option to prevent Madoka from a fate worse than death. This is why Homura is not happy at the end of Rebellion.
Remember, in Homura's ideal dream work she was Moemura again. That's a strong hint on what Homura actually want.
Oh, sorry. Jesus.
Some people just have chemistry, anon. Have you not ever met someone who you just kind of click with?
>lover wants to sacrifice herself for the world's sake
>become a witch to fuck that up
>did nothing wrong
You deserve to die, honestly
There's other fun symbolism too. Red spider lilies stand for a meeting that will never happen. The salamander is a symbol of death and rebirth.
You can't remain the same person you originally were when exposed to such levels of reality.
You are not the same person you were as a child. People change. This is what the visual cues of baggy, sleepy eyes and droopy, downward expression are supposed to signify.
Homura has seen some shit, and she didn't walk away unchanged. Even her ideal has taken on a new form, metaphorically and literally.
No no, I get it. In fact I get that being bros can be pretty good both for the characters and be entertaining for us watching.
But it just kind of pales in comparison to "star-crossed lovers destiny shit" that's presented in the series. The whole "soul mates drifting through time to find each other" thing in the show (for both canon pairs) was very emotionally intense and outshines all else.
I know that. Red spider lillies are also associated with death and Hell since they grown in cemeteries. Her witch powers look like red spiderwebs too.
wait what the fuck
Well that's like, your interpretation man.
I like to believe there's still a Moemura somewhere inside of her.
Moremura is dead. Get over it.
We've got scans for all three volumes of Rebellion, where have you been?
Does she want that, or is she reverting to a state where she hates herself for being weak and useless because she's a witch? She knew she was getting farther and farther away from Madoka in the series too.
Moemura died at the end of timeline 3 and she's never coming back, regardless of whether or not Homu went devil. You can't be all innocent after doing something like that.
Which is why Homura needs someone to teach her how to care about herself and non-Madokas, so that she can have a happy and fulfilling romantic life.
I am genuinely torn on this. On the one hand, what we saw in Rebellion regarding how that Law of the Cycles thing worked suggests that Homura basically screwed herself out of an eternity together with Madoka.
On the other hand, if we take what Homura said she was doing as true, the Law of the Cycles still functions, just without constraining Madoka's personality outside of existence.
So Homura gave up her chance at being happy together with Madoka forever, in order to give Madoka the chance to live a normal life without having to sacrifice the well-being of Magical Girls. It seems like a tragic self-sacrifice for the sake of love, more than anything else, but at the same time it's still trampling all over what Madoka actually wanted because Homura feels she knows what's good for Madoka better than Madoka does.
>Moemura died at the end of timeline 3 and she's never coming back, regardless of whether or not Homu went devil. You can't be all innocent after doing something like that.
Explain the Moemura in Homu's dream world.Yes she's more confident than timeline 1 Moemura, but then so is timeline 2 Moremura under Madoka's wings.
>Moremura is dead. Get over it.
But I want to believe in something beautiful anon. Is the one who desires for this so perverse that it must be exterminated?
THIS. Finally someone gets it! This is exactly what I took from Rebellion while everyone else was bitching about character assassination.
>Madoka rejoins with Madokami
>she tries to save Homura
>it doesn't work
Nah, people change anon. Moemura wasn't Homura's 'core personality', she was the result of feelings of inadequacy, social isolation, bullying, etc.
Just look at the image you posted. Moemura takes off her braids and glasses right before her despair steps in.
True, but you are forgetting that the Incubators confirmed Madoka's existence and would be front-row witnesses to the Law of the Cycle should Homura have let herself join Madokami.
>Moemura wasn't Homura's 'core personality',
I agree. It would be nice if people would stop saying that people don't change.
>Is the one who desires for this so perverse that it must be exterminated?
Give up on Moemura.
Working so I can buy the tankobons Fuck.
It was lost the very instant Homura point-blank told Madoka with a tearful voice that she wouldn't hold back. If you're wondering what I mean, find a camrip. It's around 1:34:10 or so.
SHE WARNED THEM.
SHE TOLD THEM THE DEVIL WAS COMING
Except. Not. Dying
Every night with your same stupid reaction images. Just fuck off already.
I thought that's what the point of Madokami shooting the living shit out of every Incubator present was about; wipe out all their eyes before the gate opened up to take Homura away, so they can't see what actually happens and only know some girl they have no way of interacting with is probably the source of it.
Having physical copies feels so good, too bad I'm afraid of staining them so I don't touch them much.
>Explain the Moemura in Homu's dream world.Yes she's more confident than timeline 1 Moemura
Because it was a sweet, sweet dream. And dreams end.
And I also agree with this, but Homura has this ideal where she no longer has to be that way. She spends her entire time trying to recapture that idyllic world in timeline 1. It's not that she didn't change, but she grew into the stoic, hardhearted role because that was what was demanded of her.
I wonder what it feels like to feel the warmth of the girl you've wanted to see for so long, while at the same time knowing what you have to do to save her.
No no, I'm not saying the idealised "Moemura" that Homura holds within herself have to be shy or clumsy or glasses wearing. You can have confident Moemura with cool transformation sequences too without having to go all Hommando, just as we saw at the start of Rebellion. That's probably how Homura views her idealised self.
I think the whole "Homura wants to be Moemura along with Madoka back in those innocent days" thing explain the slight self-abusive tendencies of Homura at the end of Rebellion too. She still has a human heart and have desires. But for all these timeloops she's been concentrating on saving Madoka. Since Godoka signifies her failure and AI YO is basically her imposing her own will on Madoka she views herself as 'evil' and feels that she's not deserving of Madoka's love.
But she actually still wants it, and that's why it's eating her up. When I first saw that picture of Homura shitposting herself on /a/ my first reaction was "shit, that picture is actually pretty deep as well as funny".
Adversity does not build character. It reveals it.
Homura only acted because at the time, she was full of regret over letting Madoka sacrifice herself. In addition, all of the faith she put into Madoka, the world, and herself was completely gone. She views herself as a walking failure who butchered the only person who was ever close to her over and over and could never fulfill her promise to protect her human life. She's been a thorn in everyone's side for so long, it would make sense to finally take that thorn out and let everyone move on from her. She wants to be with Madoka and be friends with everyone, but she feels herself not worthy, so she does what must be done to fix everything she wronged. The problem, though, is that her outlook is more grim than reality and everyone actually likes her and wants her to find her happiness as well, especially Madoka who seems to have been willing to return her feelings if she had just let her regrets absolve. Now, she's given everyone the happiness that she observed and determined they wanted, and protected Madoka once and for all from sacrificing herself while still honoring everything she wished for. However, Homura is now completely isolated from everyone, and this kills her inside, so she makes up that she's a devil and some RPG-tier demon lord who's up to no good, when really she's only out to punish herself and help everyone else live lives free of the misery she saw them endure. The question, though, is how long Homura can endure this torture without incident, and if she can't, can Madoka find a way to make her love herself and bring her back into the fold? Odds are Homura will die or suffer for her actions, but she'd be alright with that since it's all for Madoka's sake anyway.
TL;DR: it's a happy ending for everyone except Homura and eventually Madoka.
>Because it was a sweet, sweet dream. And dreams end.
But doesn't that dream say something about Homura? About what she wants?
I still think that Homura is a gentle person inside. That's why she gives Mami Nagisa so she won't be so lonely. She puts Kyouko and Sayaka together so they could finally be together and when shit hits the fan, she shoots Mami in the leg instead of the head.
Haha, what did you expect from a girl who uses suicide imagery as fuel for her magical power? Homu a fucked up.
>that was what was demanded of her.
Correct. Moemura committed suicide because there was no other choice. She evolved. There's no remnants of the past. Besides, Homura doesn't like Moemura, she undid the braids and tossed her glasses.
It probably hurts less than being Madokaless.
>When I first saw that picture of Homura shitposting herself
These are so much fun.
>Homura doesn't like Moemura, she undid the braids and tossed her glasses.
Yes, it was demanded of her. Both times in face both after timeline 3 and at the end of the dream world. But it doesn't necessarily mean Hommando is Homura now, else she wouldnt' be dreaming herself as Moemura again.
Homura couldn't even keep up her facades as Hommando in timeline 5. She might be better at wearing a mask now after AI YO but it's still just a mask. She knows that it will crack sooner or later, hence the whole "we will be enemies at the end of the world."
Homura is a lot like Junko in that way. She doesn't want a dream world where she's innocent and everyone is happy, she wants the regular world where there's struggle and accomplishment.
Nagisa getting stuck in this universe was more of an accident than anything else.
If I was Homura I wouldn't like Moemura either. She was too weak and unfit for the demands of this world.
So it revealed that Homura would do anything for Madoka so they could return to those early days? But that's my point.
>Killing all incubators
They had the place on surveillance, and were even there when Homura grabbed Madokami and went devil.
Everything you saw and heard in the movie says something about what Homura wants. She speaks it clearly when they force it out of her, and every time they do, it's always stated with a tear-stricken voice..
She wanted to treasure this illusional dream where Madoka still existed, but couldn't as doing so spat on the memory of the sacrifice Madoka made. By Homura's own words, she'd never forgive anyone that did so.
She wants Madoka, desperately enough to even turn away and accept internal, eternal damnation by her own hand, rather than allow Kyuubey to utilize their powers to cage Madokami and reintroduce Witches into the world.
She pleads with the others as she feels her recourse, her death, is the only thing that will keep Madokami safe. Not just from the Incubators, but also a Homura that is realizing that she might not be able to contain herself, have been so tempted.
Her admission to Madoka that all of these sins she bares, all of the crosses she's force to carry won't mean anything so long as she has the chance to be by Madoka's side. Destroying the barrier hand in hand with Madoka, telling her that no, she won't hold back any longer.
She was conveying her compassion for Madoka, and warning her simultaneously. Somewhere in the middle of that fight, she realized she was a monster better off dead than realizing the future she truly desired. But the moment Madoka & co cosigned her ticket to freedom, Moemura effectively died.
That picture captures the essence of Akuma better than a lot of people realises.
Exaggerated for comedic effect of course.
A stupid announcement such as this deserves an equally stupid response. When people begin to give reasons and not just blunt statements, I will respond accordingly.
>and would be front-row witnesses to the Law of the Cycle should Homura have let herself join Madokami.
How would that be different than every other magical girl taken away by the Law of the Cycle? Outside the isolation field, it should be the same as usual.
Nagisa gives good head?
>When people begin to give reasons and not just blunt statements, I will respond accordingly.
Did you try, like, reading the thread
>muh special snowflake OTP
Fuck yourself, really.
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
When all you do is wear a mask, it becomes you.
Mami gave head to Nagisa's long black monstrous member alright.
Your point is wrong, which is why I didn't say that. (I like how you ignored the part of Rebellion's imagery where Moemura takes Madoka's hand and her glasses and braid come undone as they run off together.)
Homura's true nature is as the blazing protector.
I think those kind of masks take a very special person to tear down. Like the deal with Kyouko and Sayaka.
If it was me, I'll have Homura doing a very convincing devil in S2 until the very end where Madokami forgives her unconditionally and causes the mask to come down.
Pic somewhat relevant
With no offense intended, I'm very glad you aren't writing the next installment. That just doesn't make any sense. People are what they are, not what they envision themselves as, or not what they were.
>I like how you ignored the part of Rebellion's imagery where Moemura takes Madoka's hand and her glasses and braid come undone as they run off together
That's not Homura doing something by choice anon, she can't stand herself squandering the gift of Madoka by hiding away in her dream world.
When I finally saw rebellion I was under the assumption that the incubators we're close to obtaining Madokami but that wasn't the case; not only that but she had her own helpers if something that serious would have happened. So I just don't like the fact that Homura made a selfish, parent like choice for Madoka.
Madoka made her choice so why didn't she just join her.
>using the word 'epic' unironically
Or if it was just a warm, melancholy SoL where halfway through Madoka remembers, but she finally realizes her feelings and feels conflicted between order and desires. Pic related (last frame is supposed to be gold-eyed Madoka)
But we as the audience see it off in the TV series in Homura's breakdown to Madoka in episode 11. She's vulnerable then, but she feels safe revealing herself to Madoka.
Newshit pls go.
That doesn't mean she's a fucking clumsy idiot who cant speak without stuttering again though.
Because free will is a thing that exists.
Wo ist die kase?
>joining a false goddess in her illusory heaven
That's escapism, /a/non. Homura would never do that.
You've got your imagery mixed up. When Homura turns into Homulilly, she sees her despair, which is to mean that she sees her hope and dreams crushed.
Again, Moemura is nothing but imagery for a docile, undeveloped Homura. Kyouko even remarks as much.
Yeah but you're not suppose to impose your own will on another person's free will. That's kind of bad, as Kyouko's wish demonstrates.
Tell that to Madoka.
>Yeah but you're not suppose to impose your own will on another person's free will.
Directly or indirectly? Because you can't avoid imposing your own will indirectly.
>eah but you're not suppose to impose your own will on another person's free will
We saw her witch getting executed over and over again, unable to escape the cycle. Her labyrinth specifically denies her the last clara doll which is love, and is dressed in Madoka's costume. That seems very Homura to me given all the time travelling.
That sounds to me like Homura very much desires to be with Madoka again.
>Homura will never achieve her hard-earned happiness
>Homura will never stop hating herself
Well, the ability to change other people's memory at a whim is pretty direct huh. I don't feel that that's a good thing. I'm guessing Homu feels that way too, hence why she calls herself the devil.
I think Madoka will end up doing the same thing to Homura that Homura did to her.
>specifically denies her the last clara doll which is love
That's just word of god shit that people rely way too heavily on.
This is the scene where the dolls actually appear in the movie. Notice how one has a handcrank and runes ("All alone") and the other doesn't because they're two different things?
Because Homura wasn't satisfied with being a mere part of the Law of Cycles under Madoka's dominion. She wanted Madoka to herself.
That's the real reason that Homura did it, though she isn't even aware of it.
Uh, I'm the anon who made the "homu shitposting" macro and even I don't believe that.
Akemi Homura is gonna be happy. That's what this whole scene is about. Madoka reminds Homura that it's wrong to give up hope.
That's actually the exact opposite of why she did it.
>I think Madoka will end up doing the same thing to Homura that Homura did to her.
On the contrary, Madoka will choose not to do that. Instead of tearing Akuma Homura apart, she'll choose to accept Homura completely as she is.
Yeah but you see, those dolls are sealed up and locked away in blister packs. They're not walking around like the other dolls.
Just like how there is actually a Kyousuke inside Oktavia's labyrinth, but he's normally under the floor of the barrier and Oktavia can't reach out to him.
>tearing Akuma Homura apart
Not that. I mean Madoka may force happiness and good fortune on Homura. Imposing her will on her like Homura did.
This occurs before the gondola scene, when Homura and Madoka are still dormant. They're unaware of their true nature as witch and god.
Only in the sense that she'll return Homura's love and Homura won't be able to maintain her resolve in the face of having her feelings returned.
Still not sure how we're supposed to escape torture in a silent room. We could try talking our way out of it, but Chiaki's charisma is far too low for that.
Those runes say "I'd like to thank our customers" in German.
Anon, that's what happened in the series. That's completely redundant.
The series set up Madoka's ideology just as Rebellion sets up Homura's. Next comes the conflict and the resolution.
>Anon, that's what happened in the series.
Episode 12. Madoka made her wish and Homura had to accept the consequences.
The runes on Ai (Homulilly)'s packaging say 一人ぼっちに and お似合い
The former means 'all alone' while the second is used in merchandising to mean that the toy complements another one as part of a set.
How is that forcing good will and happiness on Homura in any way?
Ah, I was wondering what oniai means.
We've been over this. Madoka doesn't need permission from Homura to wish for what she truly believes in. No one should be able to tell you what you can or can't wish for, regardless of what they've done for you.
Don't confuse gratitude with responsibility
We have been over this. I simply use that point as juxtaposition to point out that it's a double standard to accept one wish but not the other.
That's not the same thing at all. Homura forced Madoka to be happy (granted, she already was). Madoka forced Homura to stop fighting for her.
Look at all of that oppression. When will Satan--I mean, Homura--be put down?
>Madoka doesn't need permission from Homura to wish for what she truly believes in.
The same goes for Homura, then.
Madoka will just have to deal with the consequences of Homu's rebellion.
They're both imposing their free will on others.
I'm simply illustrating the point that "forcing your will on others" has no intrinsic moral value as an argument and anyone who used it needs to discard that argument and pick a different one so I can discredit that one too. Or just accept Homura as your goddess. Either or.
>They're both imposing their free will on others.
But with different intentions in mind. Also, the motivation behind Madoka's wish was not entirely Homura's well being. They're different.
Homura forced Madoka to be happy the way Homura thought she should.
Madoka forced Homura to confront the fact that everything she had done, all that she had gone through, would leave her with less than she started with because Madoka preferred that option.
They're both selfish in their own ways, but that's completely understandable given that they highschool girls, and that each of their ascensions came from a false understanding of the other person's heart (Madoka didn't know what Homura had gone through until after she became a God, and Homura based her decision off a misconception about what Madoka's divinity meant for Madoka).
Doesn't matter, it doesn't change the fact that Homura and Madoka are both imposing their free will on others.
Yeah, but the idea you're combating expresses motivation and intention as well.
It's kind of matter of degrees. It's very hard to argue that what Madoka did was bad. I think you'll be hard pressed throughout all history to find a magical girl who would respond to Godoka with "actually no thanks, I'll rather become a witch."
Only real loser is Homura who can't be with Madoka any more as humans. But even so when her time comes she will benefit from Madoka's wish too.
With AI YO, it's more muddled. There actually are people who would object to it, Sayaka for one. However they can't even voice their objection because Akuma can just silence them.
AI YO isn't finished though. The night's still half-eaten. Please be quiet and hold your applause until the performance is over.
>There actually are people who would object to it, Sayaka for one.
But is Sayaka's objection derived from some objective bad state that Homura's put Madoka or others in, or is it out of her idealism that Homura's mind-fuckery has likely reverted her to?
If the only change is, Homura's given Madoka a chance at living through her life like she would have done without contracting, with the Law of the Cycles still working as a depersonalised force, is that really something worth objecting to? Is it wrong for Homura to believe that Madoka deserves the chance to live just like everyone else, and take steps to ensure she gets that chance?
>Is it wrong for Homura to believe that Madoka deserves the chance to live just like everyone else, and take steps to ensure she gets that chance?
I think something like that can only be decided by the person in question, ie Madoka.
But Homura is not even letting Madoka decide that for herself. If Homura let's Godoka come out and have a look at all the changes she's made and Godoka agrees that it's for the best and goes along with AI YO then I bet Sayaka will have no objectsions.
But Homura doesn't give Madoka that freedom to decide her own fate for herself, and that's the thing Sayaka objects to.
>a magical girl who would respond to Godoka with "actually no thanks, I'll rather become a witch."
Maybe one of those crazy Kazumi bitches, they got up to all sorts of weird shit.
I think Sayaka's objection comes from simple protectiveness/loyalty towards Madoka, combined with the fact that she has even less of an idea what the fuck Homura did than the viewers - she only has her own point of view to draw conclusions from, after all. She just saw Homura grab Madoka, babble something about emotions and not letting go, and then the universe broke and she's standing back in Mitakihara watching Homura swill purple drank and smashing teacups.
And the fact that her memory is being fucked with at the very same time she's making those objections.
But then I suppose that's a point in her favour as far as objections go.
I am sure that Sayaka understood well, I mean she "works" for Madokami. Mayme not Homura´s intentions but her actions and those are enough to notice that they contradict Madokami´s will.
Homu and Madoka will reconcile with an elegant ballroom dance through the stars while they talk. but neither of them really know how to dance so they'll just do that back and forth bit you see people who don't know how to dance do.
cf Utena the Movie?
>tfw just watched the series again
>tfw really feeling the hope this time
Have you prayed to Madokami today, /a/?
I like picture of them dancing.
Where are Homu's pants?
You don't wear pants with dresses unless you're a hipster.
It's a dress, anon.
The spiral coming out of the general area of Homura's ass is bringing back memories of early Madoka threads I'd really rather not remember.
say that to my face fuckers and not online
You mean from before Mami was deheaded?
Where we're going we don't need pants.
>homura dressing like a hipster
Fitting I suppose.
A dress shouldn't only go down 1/4 of the way from your hips to your knees unless you've got some tights on!
If I was in Madoka's place I would run away from Homu. Let her decay in her own little shithole.
Why is Madoka so lewd?
Homura doesn't seem to shy away from revealing outfits.
Come on, tell me I'm wrong. What good is being right if I can't prove it by quashing your ideals?
Is that revealing? 90% of the girls at my high school prom were more revealing than this.
>went to prom
I just can't like her. She's so cute and committed that it annoys me.
Can't argue with that.
It's just to good to be true for me. She's perfect to the point that it has a reverse effect on me.
She's only pure and innocent on the outside.
Lewd Madoka is best Madoka.
Homura isn't a slut that those girls though. By most standards, her devil outfit is revealing. Also
>going to prom
>rebellion shows tomorrow on theaters
>already got tickets
>haven't watched the other 2 movies
I'm gonna come back so confused
Akuma Homuhomu did nothing wrong
First 2 movies is basically a retelling of the TV series
That's a shirt you retard. She's wearing jeans.
THAT FUCKING COVER
>tfw preordered from animate days ago
btw, is any of you a paisano who's going to do the same as me?
Both reach the same point on her thighs. You won't fool me, /fa/.
Madoka R~ a 2hr ad for more Madoka merch
Barely anything more lewd than scent
Are you sure that's a shirt? It looks like a dress.
Well if you believe what the perfume companies say. Sweat is full of pheromones and if you're compatible with that person it would be a massive turn on.
For the sake of Homura's happiness, every hour.
Best blonde with drills?
I don't pray to gods that don't exist.
>implying Christian/Jew/Islamic gods exist
Just give up, anon. You've been trying to force your shitty /v/-tier meme for weeks now.
>Not posting true cover
It was funny the first time back in December, but yeah. Besides, I pray to both
It was funny once I guess. Anyway, stop it please. Madoka is the true god.
The Girl who cried AI YO at the edge of the world
What is AI YO /a/? How could I learn to use this mysterious power?
Baby don't hurt me.
You glorious son of a bitch, I just snorted soda all over my fucking monitor.
WOuld you buy this Sayakans?
If only Mami were in charge.
what if Mami was a fuedal Jap noblewoman?
It looks like shit
Welcome to the Perfect World
What if Sayaka wasn't a blockhead?
>just watched Rebellion again
AI YO was beautiful
Better wipe that off before it stains, anon. Wouldn't want ants crawling on your computer.
You just acted in disregard of the law of the universe. And the law itself is/was your dearest friend.
Now, what do?
Covet it and protect it from any blue-haired idiot fish with hero complexes, obviously.
She, justice itself, came here to protect the law of cycle from hideous demon
Sayaka really redeemed herself in the first part of rebellion. Don't let her justice faggotry make her worst girl again.
This. Pre-Akuma Sayaka in Rebellion made her go from worst character to top-tier in my mind. And then she had to fuck it all up by being a stuck-up cunt again at the end.
I guess it makes sense, though, if Homura's rewriting everyone's minds to be as she viewed them before Madokami's ascension.
>really redeemed herself in the first part of rebellion.
How? By smiling and being a little more confident? That's the only thing that's changed. She's still a fucking justicefag.