Ok, I've heard so many people rave about Simoun, so I decided to check it out and possibly buy the DVD's. After watching up to episode 12, I've decided that it's not really as good as people say, and that I wouldn't buy it (whereas I would buy Kamichu, Gurren Lagann, as a point of "quality" reference)
1. It's incredibly uneven. Sometimes the writing is great, sometimes it's really cliche.
2. Episodes 1, 2, and 7 are really good and rewatcheable. The rest are just kind of boring.
3. If I wanted to listen to people talk, I'd read a book...a good book.
4. The animation seems to have a low budget. they took a lot of shortcuts. I'm especially dissatisfied with how much they reuse animation in flashbacks.
5. The music is generally quite good, but that damn smooth jazz song pisses me off.
Overall, Simoun had some real high-points, but it was marred by uneven pacing and equally low points. It's telling that an episode about rape left me thinking "This is dull."
Simoun was pretty boring imo, only thing that kept me watching were the random yuri moments.
Buy Gurren Lagann
Wasn't that the only reason it was ever recommended?
No Simoun is a really good anime, better than Kamichu that OP mentioned for one.
>better than Kamichu
I'm not the OP, but Simoun is REALLY uneven. I wouldn't rate it as more than a 7
Kamichu is not very good.
>5. The music is generally quite good, but that damn smooth jazz song pisses me off.
I could not stand that frenchy sounding song that kept playing throughout the entire fucking series. I'm not one to pay much attention to a soundtrack, only when it is outrageously horrible do I notice it's there.
Kamichu is also REALLY uneven, more than Simoun actually.
Valid enough. You're into the plot now though, it's uphill from there.
And nobody ever cares about Kaimu and Alti.
>as a point of "QUALITY" reference
i cared enough to fap to them
>Valid enough. You're into the plot now though, it's uphill from there.
But really, can a show ever be good if it comes with the caveat "The first half sucks and has no plot, but after that, it's pretty good"?
That's no way to make a series.
Except the show never sucked, stop making it sound worse than it is.
The first portion doesn't suck and it does have a plot, it's just it's not worth trying to say that anymore when people continually find themselves somewhat bored by it and decide to make a thread attempting to shake their finger at everyone who already finished the series and suggested it. So one feels the need to just go with it.
>Except the show was never good, stop making it sound better than it is.
Shit sucked, also the ending made no sense.
What's the matter? Too DEEP for you?
It's probably not so much the song, but how often you heard it. I loved Key of Twilight in .hack//SIGN; but could not fucking stand it after a while since it was played at least twice in EVERY SINGLE FUCKING EPISODE.
Explain it, seriously.
They lost the war they had a massive upper hand on because no one had a shit's worth idea of how to actually fight a war and not take forever to do anything. Everyone goes on with their lives, some kinda screwed by the occupating governments, and Aeru and Neviril... fade out of space time? Go to the past? Become immortal? What the fuck was that?
>fade out of space time? Go to the past? Become immortal?
all of them; they became one with space-time.
I'm with this anon, the ending to Simoun left me scratching my head.
Why are people replying to such an obvious troll? You all fail.
The truth hurts, doesn't it Anon?
I'm OP and I'm not a troll at all. I was really interested in the show but I felt a bit let down. Maybe I just have discriminating tests...I only liked two shows this season, Sketchbook and Shigofumi.
A mistake was really fans piling vague praise like "epic" on it when what they really mean was "it was better than the yuri fanservice I downloaded it for".
Imprecise language like the former brings in people expecting a hero's journey with increasingly powerful enemies and a final boss and whatnot, rather than a few girls kissing to distract from a 2000 yen animation budget.
>They lost the war they had a massive upper hand on because no one had a shit's worth idea of how to actually fight a war and not take forever to do anything.
Correct. The upper hand was from sheer firepower of discovered religious relics. Simulacrum stuck with treating war like prayer, while their enemies continually adapted and invented. The protagonists' side was doing it wrong, as it were, and lost.
>Aeru and Neviril
Transcended reality. This is a strong central idea of most major religions. Shouldn't be that alien.
I found Simoun to be very good, but then, I watched it without any expectations.
It did get a lot better in the second half.
But overall, not something I'd think of rewatching anytime soon.
Fuck you faggots, I thoroughly enjoyed simoun.
>>Transcended reality. This is a strong central idea of most major religions. Shouldn't be that alien.
I got the "trascending" part, what I didn't get is how most of the fucking show is dedicated to how people accept the Simoun aren't really any blessed chariots or what the fuck, yet there's absolutely ZERO information on them. We don't know how they work, we don't know what the fuck she saw when they opened one and we don't know exactly why the Ri Maajon that supposedly opened a time portal suddenly allows someone to trascend into another plane of reality or whetever.
Basically, it was CONGRATULATIONS SHINJI out of goddamn nowhere.
I'm not saying it was bad, just that it's a bit overrated by the show's biggest fans.
>>After watching up to episode 12
I had pretty much the same opinion at first. Hell, I even dropped it while it was airing at episode 6.
A year later I picked it up again due to /a/. I ended up marathoning that shit from episodes 7-26. It's now one of my favorite series ever.
Simoun and Gurren Lagann are also the only anime DVDs I bought IN YEARS.
Same thing with a lot of shows in /a/ like Akagi, TTGL, Monster, etc...
Not to say they are bad, far from it.
ehhhh...well, ok, I'll try to 16.
I do not enjoy Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Simoun at all. They laugh at their own subject manner, making these shows not only little more than wank material for fanboys, but also shows us that this kind of behavior is alright and healthy for 14 year-old boys to have. Gimme a break. If you like anime aimed at the possible lowest common denominator and do not care about things like plot and likable characters but loooove faggots prancing all over the screen, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Simoun are just for you. The rest of you can move on.
You haven't even reached Mamiinas death yet.
I'm really not seeing how the two shows are similar in theme, here. GL is a show about overcoming all obstacles in your path with perserverence and unyielding determination.
Simoun is a much deeper show, really more about the relationships between the characters and the kind of sacrifices they have to make in the name of fighting a futile war. It's a Bildungsroman and anti-war character drama. Compared to Gurren Lagann, the central themes are as different as night and day to me.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T.
But yeah. It's more like a character based drama that uses the setting as a crutch. It does it better than a lot of anime series.
There's no concrete information on the Simoun because their original creators are long gone. Any clues as to their function can only be gleaned from this fact and from how they perform in the events shown in the series. No characters understand how they work, not even at the end, so why should it be given to the viewer freely?
It's not at all out of nowhere: What happens to Amuria, the progenitor race that created them, Dominura and Limone all build up to Aeru and Neviril finally getting it 'right'.
Forgive me for being vague, I don't want to potentially spoil any plot points for OP if he decides to continue.
gl + simoun combo copipe always makes me lol
I don't care if I'm spoiled
>>3. If I wanted to listen to people talk, I'd read a book...a good book.
>Kamichu is not very good.
You, kind sir, are a gigantic faggot.