Baka ka omae?
You messed up, OP. I'm pretty sure she says "aho ka, anata?"
Asuka chan a shit
omae mo na
Princess needs to calm the fuck down.
¿Tu es idiota?
Nishimura bakaka desu.
It just doesn't sound right
How is this?
What the fuck was that.
tes tu cave tw? crisse ?
No one in this thread is gonna say the actual phrase?
in what language is tw a word?
Why is that funny? Because anata is used by wives to refer to their husbands?
>your typical asukafag
Tu eres idiota.
y tu mama tambien
I want Asuka to rape me and call me a worthless gaki.
Asuka a shit
My ears are bleeding.
Needs more ASSuka
I like the way you think.
Because anata is polite, the opposite of anta. The latter being what asooka uses
>loves them redheads
what can i say, he has got taste.
>gingers on yer dick
man , its so best girl in this thread
shut it networking foureyes
God damn. Everything about picture looks so fucking soft.
except the legs which look like they're made of hard plastic
te madre es feo y succio. no me toque!
yeah, or pleather
needs more r34
no one actually discusses Asuka, we just fap to her
in what world do you live in newfriend? its like the most discussed character in the history of /a/ (granted , 90% of that involves her cupsize)
>in what world do you live in newfriend?
>(granted , 90% of that involves her cupsize)
you proved his point
Fuck off filthy spics
ciete la boca ora
no but seriously, I'm murrikan and posted using my high school basic spanish
Shading on her left leg and hip is just perfect. Same on chest
Fuck off filthy merikan
I still can't figure out why a suit made of some kind of plastic, which is both electric and thermic insulant, and also non permeable is supposed to improve connection
not all carbonhydrates are electric insulants
>mfw extracting glucose from oil
Nigga what are you doing
Time to deploy those MP evas
Oh boy an Asuka thread that didn't devolve into red vs blue!
Soryu vs Shikinami is silly and not as fun as Red vs Blue. It also seems to summon the mariasu people, and we don't want that, right?
No, no we don't want that.
>There are people in /a/ that think that Shikinami>Soryu
one of my old friends from school recently watched rebuild, says he likes it way more because the characters aren't as self-destructive, her especially.
its a fucked up world out there sometimes]
It's the eyepatch.
See, I like that, but overall its just too shallow and the fact that her background was changed to make her less self-destructive, as opposed to her actually developing as a character is a bit of a cop-out. That's why I'm hoping Rebuild is actually a sequel and Asuka gets a happy ending, because then I know that poor girl on the beach after Instrumentality will finally get to be happy.
She just needs someone to hold her.
Ah fuck you, I watched that movie just the other day.
Yeah, I'm fine with the concept, but too much of the real meat of the characterization was sacrificed for it.
at least the outfits are cute
Don't worry, be happy, is it?
You know that Anno is going to personally crush this shipping just because its not destructive right? I would be impressed if this don't end in tears.
No, none of this is the real me!
He's gonna crush the LAS ship because that is what he hates. Shinji will end up definitively alone.
Maybe, maybe not. There's really no telling what the master will do because each choice has the potential to crush a different element of the fandom, which is of course his goal.
Shinji is what Japan hates the most though. I have a feeling Anno is going to leave Shinji a ruined mess as a final "fuck you" sort of message to all the people that did exactly the opposite of what he wanted.
I don't get how anyone can support LAS after Shikinami went beyond bitchiness. ITOH, LASfags only care about fucking Asuka through their self-insert, baka Shinji
The only argument I've heard is that bitchiness was a nasty combination of genuine (and frankly justified) anger, anger born of worrying about Shinji's safety, Asuka's own general bitchiness, and a host of complicated emotions that a 28 year old woman shouldn't be feeling towards a teenager she hasn't seen for 14 years.
She's also not aware kaworu just died or even that he existed
>LASfags only care about fucking Asuka through their self-insert, baka Shinji
What in the hell was that, disgusting.
Again with the white knight faggotry.
Sure Asukafag, your waifu is perfect, strong, not a quitter or a whiner like that horrible baka Shinji and she never tried to kill herself
That don't makes asumari more safe, they fix too much each other, its like on Mari's song from the intro of 2.22, you take a step a day (taking three steps forward and two steps back), the two work kinda like that, Asuka's thunder and Mari's chill can potentiality fix each other (Asuka is three seconds ahead and Mari two seconds late in the 3.33 space battle)
Asuka is doing teamwork in the way she likes it, Mari is not going melee berserk, all is working too well in a series were everyone hurts each other, you can surely see that this will not end well.
>Implying Asukafags aren't full of shit
Waifu faggotry is cancer, period
More like getting rid of Shinji for making space for his husbando.
Wow, no one said any of the stuff you just said. Hell, most of it happened in the original series and not even Rebuild, which is what we're talking about. Of course she's not perfect, and she got carried away with her anger. I think she realized her mistake though, and I hope she tells him she's sorry next movie. I'm spot on about her being worried though. She was clearly out of breath when she opened that plug, like she was in a hurry to make sure he was okay.
My best friend came over to give me a birthday present 20 minutes ago. He got me a body pillow with pic related. He's so based.
He didnt want to get anything lewd that fucker. Yes Im blogging.
Is this a LAK thread?
Mari is going to lust for Shinji from the start of 4.0, Sakura will later, and finally Asuka will get back in the harem.
Now jokes aside, Asuka vs Mari shipping forgets that this show is about Shinji and Mari was always intended to be interested in puppy-boy, don't go getting disappointed if the girl do what they always said she would (She kissed him in unused storyboards scenes, she was presented as "interested" in Shinji on the 2.22 relationship chart)
It is now
This isn't 2008 guys.
They work pretty well together. It's like Shinji and Rei in Dance Like You Want to Win. They don't totally understand each other but they're on the same wavelength.
everyone finds love in the end though
Except this guy.
Please don't be trolling us, Anno
the master works in mysterious ways
They also said that Asuka was going to have an ultra badass fight in End of Evangelion, and we all know how that ended.
>EoE is Auska finding love
Anon we need to have a talk about how to properly express negative feelings.
love is destructive
With an ultra badass fight, right?
They deserve each other.
THREADLY REMINDER SHINJI HAS A SMALL PENIS
You can't tell me this doesn't end with a few broken desk lamps.
That shit was all kinds of fucked up but somehow it seemed right.
Maybe I have issues.
>tfw Asuka dies again in 4.0
I'm pretty sure that comic actually ended with an implied Asuka/Mari/Shinji threesome.
I felt the opposite way, like everything was wrong. Same feeling I get when there's a bad storm coming and it's dead quiet and grey.
I don't mind if Asuka gets a harem end.
Threesomes are fine too.
When did Eva become so gay?
>forever a clone
Oh hey, look at that image, another Mari - MP eva coincidence, it's not like we already have a bunch of those, it's not like they said Mari was going to usurp Asuka in the end, it's not like unit 08 was fighting those mass produced Mark 06 alone in the groundwork and early CGI of the 4.0 preview. ;-;
>tfw Mari saves her
>tfw Later, Princess
both interpretations are pretty reasonable, and for my money it's probably intentionally dualistic like that. life is a mixed bag, after all
>afw Rei gets permanently retconned out of existence by Rei Q in 4.0
>You're gonna carry that baloney pony
I'm sure it is. Anno loves to leave everything ambiguous.
Until the light from the screen hits the back of my eyes it's subject to change.
At least he admits he's a terrible creator and human bean
>tfw everyone dies, wunder is going down in flames
>Shinji is unable to do anything yet again
>All hope seems lost
>Suddenly, explosion in the Wunder's main engine
>Mother fucking Unit 1 being piloted by THE Rei out of fucking nowhere
>Kaworu somehow shows up out nowhere too, in full angel power mode
>This starts playing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-wnetvFJqI
>Shinji, Rei, and Kaworu take their revenge on Gendo
I'd be perfectly fine with a Mari saving the world and fade to black ending for Rebuild. The anal devastation would be completely unrivaled in our time.
>you will never watch the version of rebuild where asuka gets her face ripped off
Will Giant Naked Rei/Kaworu make their appearance in 4.0?
We saw it happen to Shinji.
Giant Naked Mari, Giant Naked Gendo and Giant Naked Anno having a celestial threesome is going to be the end of 4.0
Exactly, why wage waifu wars? Shinji has all of them, why can't you too?
Actually it ends with LAS, and only that.
>Mari just kissed Asuka
>Mari actually neglected Shinji because Asuka liked him
>Mari makes a master keikaku to get LAS together again
>Comic ends with Mari "giving" Asuka to Shinji.
Mari was too much of a bro on this thing.
What we need is his definition of "love" and "find."
damn, the ultimate wingman
Why are you not as big a fan of Asuka as Asuka?
>Shinji has none of them
They have each other, they don't need betamax.
>What happens when you're your own waifu
That's actually kind of adorable, though.
>Implying Kaworu would ever give that skank the time of day
Evas dub is pretty good. Don't be an elitist.
I just realized that Mari is Tiffany living her dream.
>implying Asuka would want that homo
>you will never be youre own waifu
I would normally dispute you, but I've never seen the dub for more than a minute.
It's alright, by dub standards. The secondary and incidental characters are pretty fucking terrible though
Exatly, may the slut dies alone.
Why is Sachiel so kawaii.
Are you a pervert?
did the japanese invade germany?
Anyone have that picture of her with her little daughter who was dressed as Asuka?
i remember when i grew out of evangelion
why haven't you yet? /a/
are you still mentally children?
Unless a dub is absolutely shit quality you can always argue for preferring to hear the dialog over reading it.
Secondary characters don't make or break a dub for me. Even sub voices can be pretty grating for secondary characters.
>being you're own waifu
Well, you're hearing it and reading it, technically
i would fuck her from behind while she squeeled like asuka, calling me an idiot, and queefing red hot vinergar sauce on my plump tard balls with every thrust
>If you want it bad enough you can become 2D and love you're waifu.
This gives me some pretty bad secondhand embarrassment.
You're new. Stop posting.
You aren't being serious, are you nigga?
It was something more simple Anon, Tiffany invaded Khara and held Anno at gunpoint.
Since then the new girl of the rebuild has dark hair, glasses, liked Asuka and called her princess, was specialized in throwing spare batteries and hearing Asuka's orders and 4.0 will reveal that her secret power is deflecting fake Spears of Longinus at will.
Yeah but the syntax is so different it's almost meaningless for me.
The last comic:
The guy's pixiv:
Why? She only got into it after she got the role, has a job that funds her hobby, is married, has a kid, and has a life of her own. She's also friends with the Japanese voice actress for Asuka.
She has her shit together and living the dream. What do you have?
The inflection is what really matters, and I think more than enough of it comes through
I'd watch it.
Some of it comes through, really it all depends on the person. For me Japanese is hard to follow.
did I touch a nerve?
>friends with Yuko Miyamura
HAH. She hates that bitch, as any sane person would. Tiffany is a fucking freak.
Are you the guy who's mad at her and her husband for their fanwanking?
No, I just don't like the fact that Asuka has such an ugly English VA who doesn't do her character justice, so she has no excuse for her disgusting appearance.
Yuko Miyamura is superior and she knows it.
>Youtube has 1440p now
Wait that sounds adorable. Does anyone have it?
You sound pretty angry I think you're that guy.
That's not how you finger girls, Shinji
A real man makes his woman happy everyday of the month.
bump for more assuka
>blood pattern dubs
>We will never see a grown up Asuka
Sure is pleb in here.
>Bawwwww why you like Asuka and not Rei
How buttfrustrated are you that Rei2 will never poka poka with Shinji now that he knows she's a shitty clone of his mother?
I'm not actually a reifag, I just posted it to see if I would get replies.
Oh so you're just a pathetic obnoxious faggot then. Glad we straightened up that misunderstanding.
You're the only one getting flustered.
Asuka in these two pictures looks like she came right out of Advent Children. I'm not even joking, it looks like Square Enix work.
Keep them coming guys...
So they're really good?
First of all, you intentionally started shit to get reply's.
Second, how does stating a fact mean I'm angry?
This is the closest to official we're ever gonna get and it's shit from a shit series. Fuck nips and their shit tier taste. I hate them so much.
god, i just noticed the heels
They are good anon. The only reason the same rendering was shit on the FF7 characters is because they redesigned them for no fucking reason and then put a bullshit emo filter on the whole fucking movie.
B-but I liked Advent Children. ;_;
Now, I have to be objective and ask something - Is it a shit series because Rei is the main girl and/or ends up with Shinji? Or is it shit because the writing and story are legitimately fucking garbage?
they've struck a good balance between taking advantage of much more detail & keeping the inherently stylized look of an animated work, i think
I don't know what it is that makes it so hard for people to write post NGE Eva material that isn't shit. Even Anno can't manage to do it.
It's legitimately pretty shitty, with a fanfiction-tier narrative
Do you think Tifa and Cloud would have looked as good as the Asuka pics had they keep their original designs and killed the "emo" filter?
Can't catch lightning 9in a bottle a second time. NGE also ties up its character arcs, relationships and universe pretty totally. Hard for anyone to keep the thread going without pulling something out of their ass
but i kinda like the art
It's difficult to write a narrative that doesn't come off as either pretentious or without influence in the shadow of NGE,
It seems like people get caught up dealing with everything but the characters which were the original focus of the show. You could take the characters and put them in a bunch of settings and have it work.
I know everyone is going to fucking shit all over me for saying this but I personally thing Retake came close to doing post NGE right.
Now before everyone gets assblasted I admit, even as an Asuka fag, that the story went to some stupid extremes with the Asuka/Shinji relationship. Rei killing herself was retarded and Shinji killing Kawrou was probably the dumbest bullshit in the whole doujinshi.
I think they could have had an Asuka x Shinji story without fucking up all the other love interests in the most retarded of way possible.
However, Retake had some really awesome ideas that are fucking great. Shinji becoming the last Angel, world jumping, NGE Asuka following him around full of uncontrollable rage, the classmates actually being a real part of the character plot (and not being forgotten), the ending scene when Shinji and Asuka fight the MP EVAs together all fucking baddass.
I honestly wish someone could rewrite and redraw Re-take with some of the aforementioned plot elements changed to make more canon sense.
Well, I wouldn't go nearly that far, but i agree that you gotta give re-take credit for trying to put the characters first & foremost, like >>101722756 said, it seems like it's something people miss more often than they should
God, this thread is like a moot summoning thread.
>implying he isn't here already
I don't want to derail the thread but pic related is from Dissidia and it's a perfect example of what AC could have looked like.
Also, if they would quit trying to make every male character look like that Gacke faggot (or however you spell that stupid fucks name)
I don't want to derail the thread but pic related is from Dissidia and it's a perfect example of what AC could have looked like.
Also, if they would quit trying to make every male character look like that Gacke faggot (or however you spell that stupid fucks name)
>Edit: re-post because I forgot my pic
In my opinion things like world jumping and time loops just serve to bog down a plot unless they're made the focus of the story. A good character driven story shouldn't need what basically comes down to asspulls to work.
In Eva's case I don't see world jumping as an asspull move. In Retake it gives Shinji a chance to make up for all the mistakes he's made; helps him change; and even though he goes right back to NGE world, he's finally repaired things between him and Asuka once and for all.
eh, they lean on the alternate world seen/imagined in ep 26 as narrative precedent so it doesn't exactly come out of nowhere, but it can still feel like a very cheap narrative device
Until the manga finished and Rebuild came out world jumping in Eva wasn't even on the table. It still doesn't feel like it fits to me.
They talked about having other lives in ep 26. It's a stretch definitely but not completely ridicules in concept.
Also, Shinji didn't jump into a world we never heard of. If I'm not mistaken I think he jumped into the manga universe. It's probably supposed to be one of the reasons why Rei killed herself. She said "The Shinji we knew is no longer here." and Shinji was much closer to her in the manga then he ever was in NGE.
In 26 we're seeing a scenario, it's not an actual world that exists out there. If it did exist it would have some serious internal conflicts like why would Rei exist if Yui was still alive and if she did exist it wouldn't it be as Shinji's sister?
Having characters jump around between what really are separate continuities is really just sloppy writing. Even if Rebuild confirms it's all one big loop it's still a very poor way to execute a plot.
Mari a shit[\spoiler]
You're a shit.
>If it did exist it would have some serious internal conflicts like why would Rei exist if Yui was still alive and if she did exist it wouldn't it be as Shinji's sister?
Most AU manga based off ep 26 has her as Shinji's cousin who just moved to a new school.
Does everyone think they can just make up their own version of Rei?
>Does everyone think they can just make up their own version of Rei?
And they have become increasingly prolific.
Yeah that's the GoS 2 & Angelic Days version of it, I think
>This will be the 5th time we have created a shitty fanfic version of Rei Ayanami, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
Whats wrong with Rei Q? I can't understand why everyone is so buttfrustrated about her. Rei2 is obviously still inside unit 1 and Rei Q is not much different form NGE Rei from the beginning or Rei3. It's not out of canon to have Rei replacements either so whats everyone's problem?
oh you done did it now
They made because she got the same treatment as Asuka did in the last film.
beats me, have you seen the meltdown that they've been having in /c/?
Anyone got that Ikari wonder CD cover? I feelin hotter than July.
Name on the third OST is Good, or don't be
Rebuild Asuka is pretty good when she's paired with Mari. I'm really hoping we get a series following them through the key events of the time skip.
I know we won't but it doesn't hurt to dream
She has had everything that made Soryuu great gutted from her and replaced with what a casual observer would have thought she was like.
If Rebuild was a full length TV series I'd agree with you, but it's a theatrical film series. You do need to make some changes to your characters or else it feels like you're spending 90 minutes watching people complain.
Are we watching the same movie?
I don't recall Asuka and Mari doing anything together or even having an implied friendship aside from Mari just being Asuka's acquaintance when they pilot their Evas.
Otherwise, they did fuck all with each other.
They've spent 14 years together, Mari teases Asuka without her completely flipping her shit and have pet names for each other. I'm pretty sure they're friends.
All I am saying is that the Reifags hate Q because she was a stripped down recreation of their waifu especially after Rebuild Rei who actually had a lot of development.
I'm still mad that 3.0 was letterboxed.
I know why Reifags hate it. Rei Q went full autism with "what is like" and you never go full autism.
But it's the same word, there's no politer version of anata.
It's like using "sayin'" instead of "saying":
>All I am saying is that the Reifags hate Q because she was a stripped down recreation of their waifu
That's just it though. Q is not a recreation of Rei2, she's simply a different Rei. And the other Rei is still alive and will most likely be coming back anyway.
Asuka is a different story. There are not two Asuka's walking around in these movies. Rebuild Asuka is LITERALLY a recreation of NGE Asuka from the ground up. Were not suddenly going to have Soryuu come into this movie from another fucking detention. She's not a part of this universe.
Fuck it's late
Soryuu is not Shikinami, where as the Rei we saw in the first two rebuild movies was for all intent and purpose Rei II
You just agreed with me so whats you're point?
So your butt mad that Rei who is a clone and part of her whole thing was to be replaceable got replaced?
The point which I forgot was that Q was a cheap rebuild of Rei but the primary differance is that her original had actually made it into the movies.
Are you retarded? That wasn't even close to what I was saying. Read the whole conversation before posting something stupid.
I thought you were saying you are angry because Q is a clone of Rei who exists because the 'real Rei' was taken off stage temporally in a clumsy attempt to explore one of the characters primary themes.
>The point which I forgot was that Q was a cheap rebuild of Rei
I don't think she's cheep at all. She's starting out just like all the other Rei's had in the past. We saw that she obviously has feelings and isn't a completely empty shell but Nno one is willing to give Q a chance because all Reifags can do is get assblasted and scream about Rei2's character development getting shafted when that never happened.
No I'm not mad about that at all. In fact I actually welcome it. It's interesting to have two different Rei's with two different personalities. And I've never been a fan of how Rei2 has developed her character anyway but that's just my personal preference.
Then what were upset about here >>101726654 then?
Dude read the conversation starting from here >>101725426
Oh well a lot of Reifags were frustrated that their waifu left the spot light and would have a clone who was not technically her show up in her place temporally to explore that bit of her.
>Were not suddenly going to have Soryuu come into this movie from another fucking detention. She's not a part of this universe.
is that you trying to predict what The Master can or cannot do?
Because this was about what Asuka says.
Why is Asuka always angry?
The Master strikes again
To try and hide how useless she was.
Yeah, I sometimes think that Reifags only bitch about the "character development" angel to hide the fact that their just pissed that Rei and Shinji didn't get to poka poka after he went TTGL hotblooded to save her.
It's another reason why I like Rei Q. To me, Rei's character has always relayed too heavily on Gendo and Shinji to bring out her feelings and humanity, with little to no influence from the other characters.
Rei Q however has a chance to integrate herself equally with everyone now that Shinji wants nothing to do with her and that Asuka told her to pretty much think for herself instead of trying to be Rei2.
Wait for 4.44.
>Whats wrong with Rei Q?
She shouldn't exist period.
Also the rest is wrong.
>It's not out of canon to have Rei replacements either so whats everyone's problem?
Then fuck you for thinking that badly about someone else.
Your opinion on what Rei should do or shouldn't do, it could rely on anyone, even just herself. Right now, Rei isn't going anywhere.
You like Rei Q because you don't like Rei, period.
>We saw that she obviously has feelings and isn't a completely empty shell but Nno one is willing to give Q a chance because all Reifags can do is get assblasted and scream about Rei2's character development getting shafted when that never happened.
Rei Q will have her "chance", but it doesn't change that Rei is shafted because Rei Q gets her chance.
What is wrong about telling it like it is anyway? Are you denying that Rei didn't get shafted hard here? Why are you disagreeing?
Wow, someone who never liked Rei in the first place welcomes the character being ruined.
Why am I surprised.
Whats wrong with genocide? I can't understand why everyone is so buttfrustrated about it. There's obviously a lot of people left and it's not much different from plagues or the sacking of Rome. It's not out of place to have genocide in the world either so whats everyone's problem?
Rei is still very much in the spotlight for 3.0 (literally for one scene where she's standing in one spotlight), but the performance she gives is so bad you have to suspect someone from forcing her to read bad lines.
Q =/= Rei
Although I did enjoy both and I do think Q has an opportunity to become her own character and is interesting if in only the potential she represents.
Rei Q is as Rei as any of the Reis featuring in NGE
She's a shit though.
>Q =/= Rei
>Although I did enjoy both and I do think Q has an opportunity to become her own character and is interesting if in only the potential she represents.
Doesn't your first line she mean that already is?`
Rei Q will become "interesting" at the cost of Rei Ayanami. You're either OK with that, or you aren't.
Even if Rei Q != Rei, she is a character in the likeness of Rei. Every moment spent on Rei Q, is a moment spent on dealing with the subject of Rei Ayanami and why Rei Q is so shitty compared to Rei. The background of them, the cloning, everything ties into Rei eventually.
Rei is more in the spotlight than she's ever been, but they've made sure to make it as uninteresting as possible.
>Then fuck you for thinking that badly about someone else.
The irony here is almost to much for me with regards for how much you hate Q.
Rei prime just got shafted out of screen time when they chose to finally address the whole she's a clone thing. If anything Q got ruined because she now doesn't have the time to be developed into much more then lol clone. Because the Master chose to focus on homosex pianos.
Rei Q might not be Rei, but she has the role of Rei anyway. Problem is that she's doing a bad job at it.
Sup Rei-hater. Opinion disregarded.
>Rei Q is as Rei as any of the Reis featuring in NGE
I will fight you.
>The irony here is almost to much for me with regards for how much you hate Q.
There's no irony here because I don't hate Rei Q. Q the movie maybe, but not Rei Q. I couldn't bring myself to hate even a character like Rei Q.
The fact remains though, you like Rei Q because you don't like the character Rei Ayanami.
>Rei prime just got shafted out of screen time when they chose to finally address the whole she's a clone thing.
Which means, we're already ruining the character.
>If anything Q got ruined
Q shouldn't even exist. Q existing simultaneously ruins both Rei Q's character AND Rei's.
Is it because of "the master", Anno I presume? Sure. But it doesn't change anything.
There's nothing wrong with homosex pianos. The scene could even benefit from being longer IMO.
>Rei Q will become "interesting" at the cost of Rei Ayanami.
How the fuck does that work? Is character development a zero sum game in your head or something?
Just because a clone is by there very nature SIMILAR to her predicessor doesn't mean they are the same and yes establishing a contrast between two characters even if one isn't present isn't a bad thing. That's like being assblasted that Simon got character development after Kamina died.
>Rei Q might not be Rei,
What do you base that on?
>There's nothing wrong with homosex pianos
How the hell were those gay piano scenes good?
They were a waste of time that could have been used letting Shinji and the audience know what the fuck had been going on throughout the past 14 years.
I mean that the question on whether or not she's Rei is pointless. Rebuild has become so fluid that they could say anything. They could say that Mari is secretly Asuka. They could say that Gendo Ikari is really Shinji Ikari from some time past.
Point is, and the only actual thing that matters, is that right now in 3.0 she's there, and in place of being as interesting as Rei was back in the day (even if there's screentime for it), she's just being a useless doll, which I hate to see happen to Rei.
After that, whether or not she's Rei is a question that doesn't matter because it's bad no matter the answer is.
That's part of what they were for.
Don't you realize that the problem isn't the homosex pianos, but the fact that there is anything about a timeskip and characters to explain at all? There shouldn't be, but there is.
No I like Rei Q because, she fills out the problem with creating a replacement or duplict person, and personally I lament that she had no real scenes from her perspective.
Yes I agree Rei Ayanami got shafted. And yes Rei Q did a poor job of filling out Ayanami's role. But that's because that is her role to show who we are as people and what it means to be a person even if it was clumsy in its execution.
Damn OP you're making me want to watch dubbed rebuilds tonight.
Maybe I will.
>How the fuck does that work?
It is a zero-sum game or close to the concept at this point. With one movie left, with Rei being left to stagnate as a big question-mark of potential offscreen, and character-less and insultingly bad Rei Q, you realize that there is limited time left.
This is without thinking about everything else, Shinji, Misato, Asuka, Gendo, even Kaworu.
Thanks to Rei Q being introduced, the image we have of Rei in Rebuild is so low and so pathetic it's going to take too much time and resources than we have left to repair.
By that logic, a third movie shouldn't have existed in the first place. It was 3.0's major plot point and the gay pianos did nothing but make the movie drag its feet.
All right then, but it'd be more tasteful of you to stop pretending to care for Rei as a character.
Also the problem she "fills out" is also a problem the character itself creates by being introduced. It's also only a problem because you choose to think of it as a problem. There's no problem with people having identical twins in real life. There's noone that says "oh that's so horrible of you, this is a problem" if you were to give birth to them.
Every character could do with more scenes in Rebuild, Rei Q is no exception. But you have to accept that by introducing Rei Q, all you're doing is taking scenes away from Rei.
If a movie can't do characterization on its own like the rebuild movies 2 and 3 have been doing such a shit job at then perhaps the problem isn't the characters who are their but the fact that the direction is such shit.
The Akira movie did a solid job of characterization about a dozen charters and it only had an hour and a half, by contrast the latter 2 rebuild movies have failed at developing anyone that isn't Shinji and they didn't do that well with him.
>By that logic, a third movie shouldn't have existed in the first place.
No, by that logic, the third movie should have dropped the timeskip and worked it's hardest to showcase the characters it already had to the best of it's ability.
This way, we could have had the gay pianos scenes still, but perhaps in a better way even.
In part but the fact that Q exists and her character DOES show and flesh out Rei as a character in part by showing who she wasn't and by showing a critical part of her existance, because she is a clone.
Its like having someone who is an identical twin but never doing anything with it other then saying that they have a sibling.
That's like saying any scene with Yui is just stealing a scene from Shinji.
Akira movie is absolute dogshit compared to the manga, so that was a bad example. Pretty but not good.
1 and 2 do a good job with their characters, the 3rd's problem is that it doesn't even try. This is offensive for some, and unnoticeable for others.
With 1, 2, 3 and 4 movies, you'd be able to create as fantastic characters, in a new direction, even if not the 100% same quality, as the original. It would be doable for Rei, Shinji, Misato, Asuka, all the big characters (including Kaworu) if it put some effort into it.
The timeskip kills that however, and what we're served seems to actively undermine any such efforts.
Meaning, that train passed with 3.0.
But for a movie it does a great job of characterization even if Movie!Tetsuo isn't manga!Tetsuo and they had to cut out a lot of the stupider shit and few of the unnecessary characters.
>Q exists and her character DOES show and flesh out Rei as a character in part by showing who she wasn't
Wrong, wrong wrong. It's all based on a false dilemma, that clones should be the same, which is proved today with science, and before that, rational thought and logic.
In short, you are saying the audience (in reality, the writers IMO) are so uneducated and uninformed that this should be a shock or otherwise enlightening to them. You and I both know the effect is the opposite, this gives said audience the foundation to say "Rei is worthless, Q or not". Because that's how this audience truly is at it's heart.
>That's like saying any scene with Yui is just stealing a scene from Shinji.
No, since Rei Q has the same scenes Rei had. Not to mention could have had if they had dared to do something with Rei 2. It's like they're afraid of Rei or something. Lock her away, don't give her a single line.
I don't think it was very good. Most are fairly two-dimensional. OK for a one-shot movie, but nothing special.
But I think this is besides the point, don't you? I don't wanna argue about Akira, so I'll stop.
How? Change 2.0's ending? That's what set everything up for 3.0 in the first place.
I can't imagine what it would be like if they dropped it anyways. How Misato and the others survived right after would be a plothole, Asuka wouldn't even be on-screen, and Mari would need another role if she ended up surviving and isn't just Asuka's company.
>Wrong, wrong wrong. It's all based on a false dilemma, that clones should be the same, which is proved today with science, and before that, rational thought and logic.
Implying identical twins are the same person Implying the sheep Dolly was cloned from suffered from rapid aging.
Learn to science faggot, or at least watch some Arnnie movies.
>In short, you are saying the audience (in reality, the writers IMO) are so uneducated and uninformed that this should be a shock or otherwise enlightening to them. You and I both know the effect is the opposite, this gives said audience the foundation to say "Rei is worthless, Q or not". Because that's how this audience truly is at it's heart.
Honestly I think this might be a your first meta contestant argument but whatever the hypothetical audience observers or is theirs regardless of what you see, and is entirely superfluous to the discussion.
Rei Q doesn't show you what Rei isn't. Asuka doesn't show you what Rei isn't either. The only thing that can make a character into something, is that character itself. Second-hand statements doesn't make a character. Another character doesn't make another character unless they actually interact so their own character can demonstrate itself.
If we go by the most postiive, charitable interpretation, it's that they are trying to show people that Rei is more than what some "fans" see her as, a doll. Right?
The problem is that the original anime already does that. The problem was never the character, it was the fans that choose to view it that way. Many fans, and I won't even discount Rei fans, want to believe that Rei is like that. So what 3.0 does in the end, is just to affirm their desires regarding Rei.
With 3.0, she can be discounted as merely "a clone", and an inferior. This is because they put emphasis on the exact opposite things NGE did, which was Rei's willpower and mental strength coupled with immense subdued power.
That's Rei Q's legacy.
>Implying identical twins are the same person Implying the sheep Dolly was cloned from suffered from rapid aging.
I made no such implications I made the exact opposite implications m8. They aren't the same. Which is why Rei Q not being the same means exactly nothing.
>Honestly I think this might be a your first meta contestant argument but whatever the hypothetical audience observers or is theirs regardless of what you see, and is entirely superfluous to the discussion.
They aren't superfluous once you talk about what the work is trying to show in a metafictional sense. Rei's character doesn't get built by this.
Try again, now without ignoring what I wrote.
>but whatever the hypothetical audience observers or is theirs regardless of what you see,
...anon, there isn't anything. Rei wasn't there, Rei Q was. The whole thing about it showing something, like what Rei isn't, is your (the audience's) interpretation. You could just as well interpret it as "this is what Rei is", and many will jump onto that opportunity.
moot has the plebiest taste ever. It's obvious that all girls are best girls.
For anyone that disagrees, ask yourself:
What has Q (with Rei Q) done to the Rei-character? Has it fostered admiration for the character? Does a moment pass without people discounting the character? Has it developed the character?
What is the general reaction, from Rei-fans and non-Rei fans?
Rei Q's effect has shown itself in all it's unholy glory.
The point of Q's relationship to Rei as being her clone exposes the nature of Rei because of their relationship. Sure them not being the same is meaningless but them being similar DOES hold meaning, her literally existing as a failed replacement does hold meaning.
That was Anno's choice as a dirictor because in part he seems to feel nothing but animosity towards her and felt that Rei's character arc ended when she smiled. Q by her nature can only exist to show more of Rei's history and nature as a replacement clone by existing after she has left the stage, otherwise there is no need for her to show how irreplaceable Rei is Unless she fails.
Do you even quality post?
Yeah, here you go.
>The point of Q's relationship to Rei as being her clone exposes the nature of Rei because of their relationship.
Like what? Absolutely nothing. It exposes nothing.
> Sure them not being the same is meaningless
Exactly, see above.
>but them being similar DOES hold meaning, her literally existing as a failed replacement does hold meaning.
NO for fucks sake. It holds no meaning at all because Rei Q isn't a replacement or even a failed replacement. She's just Rei Q. She exists.
She is only a failure in the sense of being a good character. Which can because Anno hates Rei or w/e, be counted as a success from the right angle.
I thought in most cases she was still an artificial human being, and usually a Yui clone (even if Yui's alive in most of these adaptations) and being Shinji's cousin is just a cover story to explain her similarities to his mother.
hello asuka is better than rei thank you
Not a whole hell of a lot about Rei that wasn't already shown but things like hobbies and other small things that weren't shown to the audance that Shinji laments Q for not having, the difference of loyalty and being a doll.
>That was Anno's choice as a dirictor because in part he seems to feel nothing but animosity towards her and felt that Rei's character arc ended when she smiled
Whatever he said he felt, we both know the truth: Rei's arc didn't end there. It only grew stronger and stronger until Rei was acknowledged as the #1 character of the show, and what's more, with something solid to back up that sentiment.
I think you're right that Anno or someone else is showing their animosity towards Rei through Q. But don't you ever say this is acceptable.
I don't say was acceptable and I do lament the fact that Q and Rei have been handled in exceedingly poor manor because I really do like the idea behind the characters but 3.00 had the problem of being such shit it ruined everything it touched. I mean it really says something when catform for Unite 02 was one of the LEAST objectionable parts of it.
The idea behind Rei Q is fundamentally bad. Even if 3.0 had no more problems, it'd still be a bad move and fuck Rei over.
Rei Q can only, and I repeat, ONLY provide a weaker Rei Ayanami (as a whole) than if there was only Rei. In any situation. That's why Rei Q was added.
Shut up bitch, you're old and busted.
Just because Rei Q doesn't have what Rei has, changes nothing about Rei. Rei Q shouldn't have what Rei has either. They're different.
It's pointless and means nothing at all. Rei remains unchanged, the only thing Rei Q and Q as a movie did, was throw retcons and insults towards the character. That's the only thing it means.
Q as a movie is more preoccupied about taking Rei's character, and demoting it into being weak and insignificant.
By splitting up the character into two, this is achieved because we lose the one, strong Rei character. In return, two medicre shitty ones. Possibly even more.
By calling Rei a clone of Yui and changing Yui's surname, this is achieved by restricting Rei's freedom of existence, being dependent on Yui as an offshoot. Not to mention putting her in the same EVA.
By giving the character no strong franchise-related scenes, and showing incompetence and ignorance through Rei Q, it leaves a weak image. Rei loses even the connection with her EVA. It's a pathetic, drab yellow badly designed piece of shit with no history behind it. Lance of Longinus? What's that?
By not further developing Rei 2 with where we left her, not even a hint, they lessen the quality of the character and makes it seem more important.
The only thing 3.0 achieves with Rei Q is to disappoint and destroy not only what is, but what could have been.
That's not quite right she can only be a weaker Rei Ayanami if she stays trying to be someone she isn't, she has the chance to develop into her own character.
That's what she did, with her "what would Rei do" crap. She already is weaker.
They now have to fix what they have broke, i.e make her own character.
Mostly because they did such a poor job with everything in 3.00 this isn't an intrisically bad character arc but because the movie did so badly with everyone, the idea of Q became toxic.
But we have seen this arc in Gurren Laggon and it worked pretty well there mostly because that was actually focused on and done in a way that wasn't fuck retarded.
In prenciple Q could be a good character but like EVERONE in that damn movie she wasn't.
Glad I'm not the only one that had problems with 3.33
You start to doubt yourself when you start disliking NGE which is apparently gods gift to anime but 3.33 only had meanful development between Kaoru and Shinji and that was only to quickly establish a bond so that he would care when you know what happens.
Also Mari eats up time in all movies that could have been better spent on anyone else.
Is Mari just a shitty cash grab so they could market another plug suited girl? I'd like to give them more credit than that.
Oh yeah, those three minutes she spent doing exposition on the screen in 3.33 were such a heavy hit on the movie.
Rei Q could never be a good thing for fucks sake. Eat it up. Rei Q is toxic to Rei.
Fuck Gurren Lagann.
No she could have been, but as she was handled she did fail to do anything worthwhile and yes she is in there abouts the incarnation of Rei's death. But that could have been done well and had meaning, and I am not saying this just because I a have a huge boner for tragidies and doomed characters.
How could Rei Q ever been a good thing?
It's not even a good tragedy for fucks sake. Take Rei. Status unknown, safely inside EVA01. Rei Q, growing steadily.
The only tragedy here is for Shinji, nobody else.
Then it's a "tragedy" (not really a tragedy just a moment of anger/disappointment) for everyone who wanted them to try their best with Rei's character. It's a tragedy because Rei is presented as being outright bad compared to the NGE version on the big screen.
will reifags ever get over it, damn
its the same circular arguements about the injustice of it all, every time
Are there any other arguments to make?
also the answer is no
I'd rather die
The story we were given was shit, Q could have been used to explore what it meant to be alive, who we are, what we exist for, who was Rei, what clones are, or really almost anything. Intrinsically a replacement clone is about mortality, and because the movie failed to do anything with her I really can't make a good argument for hypathtical where something that sucked didn't.
Instead we got jack shit.
>Q could have been used to explore what it meant to be alive, who we are, what we exist for, who was Rei, what clones are, or really almost anything. Intrinsically a replacement clone is about mortality,
and here is why that will also be shit:
Rei Q stole that part from Rei and denied Rei from saying those things. You are still ending up with a character that's just an echo of another, which at the same time deprives Rei of what she should have had. Of course, Rei gets nothing new added to the portfolio either, because lolgone xD
That's what you got. Rei Q makes the most pathetic attempt "what am I, what is like, what would some person do, why am I retarded", opposed to Rei who calmly approaches the subject, independently learning - Rei Q would probably eat the books she got given.
Why the fuck has this thread been going for nearly 24 hours you faggots?
Rei II and III was shit at it because they were the same person. That said fuck you exploration of mortality she's just survived because she's a monster LOL.
Because Asuka a best girl. Rei too.
0/10, get fuk'd
That's exactly why it works you faggot, Rei II and III being the same person underneath it all explores the significance of a person's recollections and memories, and also mortality as we see it.
Rei did die, but was reincarnated. Hear the tale of someone who has experienced death! You can't do that with Rei Q. You can't do fucking shit with Rei Q.
Sorry I even bothered replying to you seriously earlier, thanks for telling me you hate Rei and like Rei Q because she is death to Rei's character.
Why do you faggots take anything that happens to the character's so personally? They're character's in a story, Anno isn't trying to attack you, jesus. Wait and see until FINAL is finished.
Rei Q exists at the moment merely to showcase the possibility of a completely different Rei clone existing at the same time as another and to have an effect on Shinji. Everything is about Shinji's development primarily in Rebuild, the quicker you learn this, the quicker you can accept it.
>Rei Q exists at the moment merely to showcase the possibility of a completely different Rei clone existing at the same time as another and to have an effect on Shinji
This is in itself a direct attack on Rei's integrity as a character-
"lol xD why do u fagots care, itd oesn't meen anything xDDDD"
That's your entire post. Yes it does mean a lot. Especially if you're a fan.
You need to stop being so fucking oblivious to what's happening. "Anno isn't trying to attack you", well think about it. If he was to do that, what would he do? What would you do? He would make Rei Q.
Heads up: Rei Q exists and not even FINAL can fix that.
That's why nobody gives a shit about Rei Q and to some degree, Rei in 3.0.
Could've been worse. Anno could have adapted Anima to the screen. It literally has 4 different Reis running around at any given time: Rei 3, as well as three clones, one of which is a loli
If everything was about Shinji, then there would be no point in having Rei Q there or Rei, right? They're parts of Shinji's ride too whether you like it or not. All the other characters.
How you treat the characters in the story is how you communicate with the audience. Coincidentally, the part some people love is treated well, and a part someone else loves is treated like unwanted dogshit.
I grow really tired of apologists that don't give a flying fuck about anything coming here and giving worthless opinions on something they in reality have no opinon on.
It has several Rei's, but most of those end up being to Rei's credit. They're like an extension of Rei, so in that way it's empowering - Rei can control those clones.
It's not good, but in terms of portrayal.... it's slightly better than a retarded clone that waltzes around being an embarrassment and eyesore.
She doesn't exist, she isn't a real person. Anno created her, he can do whatever the fuck he wants with her.
Question you guys, since I know most of you have some faggot tendencies, do you find Shinji attractive, or do you think he has potential to be?
Integrity is perfectly applicable to even a fictional character.
I never said Anno couldn't do what he wanted. He can. What's important is that people (like you) don't pretend he did anything other than what he did, to fuck up.
I can't even imagine the level of autism that's required to not only take a narrative development as a personal affront, but to genuine believe it IS a personal attack.
>implying I do any of that
What exactly do you mean by integrity in this context, is it relevance? Consistency of portrayal? Importance to the plot? Throw me a bone here, I'm a bit lost
In Rebuild they exist only in relation to Shinji and to further his development. I still love the character's but you just gotta accept that it's about only Shinji this time.
Here's a better one:
Ask yourself the level of autism required to fuck over your own character, to make it lesser than what it is, for no good reason.
If you believe it's an innocent development, then I can maybe excuse you because you simply haven't understood what has happened yet. But if you do understand the full implications of the development, and still believe it's innocent, then you're naive.
Thank goodness someone here is sane.
>I still love the character's but you just gotta accept that it's about only Shinji this time.
If it was only about Shinji, the other characters would feature less than they already do, and moreover they don't need to glorify/demonize any of the characters.
But, they still do. These characters are there, they change or are talked about in vairous ways, which is in itself proof of your wrong.
It's not just about Shinji. It never was. It's about the entirety of Evangelion, of which Shinji is the main part.
It's not autism to call it for what it is, anon. You're the one that brings up personal affronts and attacks. It's not personal. But it happened anyway.
Rei's character isn't original - it's existed since 1995 and in shorter terms, 2.0. It is established in one way - a positive and strong way, is the short way to put it.
This is a function of character quality, importance to the plot, importance to others, and of course general relevance, which all result in a strong character.
If you were to damage that, take something away, or stress without any form of development or character action anything negative, you'd be damaging the integrity of the character.
He's not sane. Only too stupid, like you.
>b-but it's ab-about shinji
Then explain why the fuck these other characters are so goddamned important then? Explain why the entire thing is laid up to either shit on a character or make it look good? Explain the changes from the original to NGE then.
If the characters weren't important, they would have stayed exactly the same with no change. Instead there's changes, and once you change something, it becomes important along with the character.
It's that simple.
taking the thing as one unbroken line of character through every spinoff is a fundamental mistake, and 'character quality' is a subjective criteria, but sure i get what youre saying i guess
is english not your first language
Embarrassment yes. Eyesore? No way.
Dat black plugsuit.
>is english not your first language
No, it is not. It is my fourth.
>taking the thing as one unbroken line of character through every spinoff is a fundamental mistake
I don't mean one character line through spinoffs (that makes no sense), but the concept of integrity applies through it all. You know I shouldn't be explaining this. Next time just go find a dictionary and look up the words you don't understand, maybe the usage is new to you, but that just means you never understood the word to begin with.
Character quality and all that is objectively measurable, as long as we're doing a comparison with given criteria to compare by. It's not subjective - subjectivity has become an excuse to get out of any argument these days.
But let's run with subjectivity then - do you see anyone who finds even a subjective improvement? I don't. Not even on shallow grounds do people find the character of subjective quality.
It's fairly easy to do, acknowledge that there's been a change, and describe what it did. What improved/got worse? With Rei Q, everything got worse.
What's up with these Eva threads lasting for days?
Rebuild is a sequel.
Mari best girl.
Because at the same time there's usually like 2 other Eva threads at any given moment.
I've noticed there has been a lot of threads that drag on for days, not just Eva.
I guess /a/ is just slow these days.
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