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Guide (Start here):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit

Reading List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Agk2IH0ZXhn7dDNmSW1BVFU5dVgyOHkzWjU4b2l2dkE
#l/a/nguage on irc.rizon.net
Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/w0gRFM0c

Previous Thread:
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/101559032/
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Which is objectively the best; Genki, Tae Kim or Japanese the Manga Way?
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>>101689010
I'm using Genki because I like to take it slow. Doing all the exercises from the textbook and the workbook is pretty good for training.
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How can I learn both the Kanji and Osaka dialect?
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anybody else using zkanji?

its a kanji learning suite and for me the holy grail in regards of learning kanji.
using it together with Kanjidamage and feels damn good.

tons of functions:
-dictionary
-stroke order
-flash card with stroke order
-onyomi and kunyomi
-jukugo examples

everything linked and easily accessible

its freeware not very good documented but boy once you are bit used to it you cannot live without it imo.
http://zkanji.sourceforge.net/
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In the example words here, why is it へたな when none of the readings for the kanji include へ? I checked jisho.org and rikaichan as well but I still don't really get it.
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>>101694099

Irregular reading. Yeah, those exist, too. As if readings weren't enough of a clusterfuck already.
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>>101694099
welcome to japanese :^)
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>>101691517
It's my dictionary software of choice since day one, I run it under wine these days. It's pretty underrated.
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我輩は猫である
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>>101694099
Because fuck the police, that's why
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This is looking to be a fun language to learn
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Alright, so I'm coming to an end with my kana and moving on to point 2 in the guild. I know it says to do them all together, but did you guys choose to learn a certain one out of the 3 and if so why?
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>>101694509
guide* I'm kinda tired.
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>>101694509
No, I decided to go and do all at the same time and I'm better off that way.
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>>101691517
I'm glad I decided to whine about being too lazy to do my goddamn reps today.
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>>101694467
*smack smack*
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>>101694509
I'm not supposed to share Higher Knowledge with lower ranking members of the guild.
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>>101693105
姉物のエロ漫画、近親愛の官能小説、姉弟相姦のエロゲー・・・

これ、重症ってやつかな
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>>101696419
*脱帽*
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ペド同士出て来い
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>>101698091
ここは「出てこい」じゃなくて「集え!」とか、「集まれ!」とか言うべきなんじゃないの?  同士だから
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>>101698193
おぅ・・・勉強になった

ペド同士集え
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>>101698297
「同士」じゃなくて「同志」だぞ
共幼女主義者だから
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>>101698476
まあまあそんな細かいのどうでもいいじゃないか
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>>101698598
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おいどうしたんだよお前たち。いつもの数倍遅いじゃないか
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このシイタケ食べてみて下さいよ
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>>101699042
先にあなたが食べて。
それができたら私も味見くらいは考えないでもない
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I still can't seem to grasp when and where you should be applying katakana instead of hiragana (outside of foreign words)

A random example is クソ, which I thought was supposed to be くそ.. but it's apparantly the former.
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>>101699486
>why did they write SHIT in all-caps, it's a noun and not an acronym or anything so it should be lower case
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>>101699486
It's actually 糞.
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>>101699486
There are no rules for this. Some words are more commonly written or always written in katakana (foreign loan words, some animals etc.), but theoretically all words that are usually written in hiragana or kanji kan be written katakana. It's sometimes used like how italics is used in English, to add emphasis to a certain word.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6x59PkzyDU

I wasted a lot of time watching this girl's videos. She's not always that good at explaining things and she doesn't seem to be really qualified to be teaching Japanese, but it makes for productive listening practice and she's just so god damn cute.
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>>101699850
Now imagine getting a hands-on lesson from her about the Japanese names of body parts.
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>>101699850
すんげーブスなんだけどww
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>>101700143
目が悪いのか
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Any tips on writing ふ with pen would be appreciated.
I'm having a hard time getting them to look good :s
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After just reading the Hiragana part of "remembering the kana" what is the best thing to move on to stop the Hiragana from falling out my brain? realkana.com uses a stroke order a bit different than what i studied in the book.

Or should I just move straight on to the Katakana part of the book?
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>>101701907

You move on to the next steps of study where you will read kana so much that it will be impossible to forget it.
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>>101694361
>我輩
>我
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>>101701955
So basically part 2 of the book just to be sure
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Are there any Android apps you guys could recommend?

Or something do listen to while going for walks? I take like a 30min walk every day. Would be nice if I could make use of that time.
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>>101694361
u wot m8
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>>101703357
>>>/lit/
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>>101703144
listen to some きゃりーぱみゅぱみゅ, good listening practice, the pronunciation is pretty clear and the vocab is pretty simple
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>>101703567
Being new to hiragana it took me like 2 minutes to understand you meant the artist.

Yeah she's pretty good. I guess I could go grab some albums by her. Thanks.
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>>101701025
practice
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>>101701907
I wrote them a lot, which I recommend trying, but like the last response said just keep moving forward and they will naturally get pounded into you.
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先輩、気づいて下さい!
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>>101701025
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>>101703963
もう気づいたんだ
諦めてくれ
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>>101701025
http://daigotorena.moo.jp/lesson/hira-kai-hoka2.htm
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>>101701025
If it isn't looking good than it is perfect.
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>>101701025
It's quite common to combine the first and second line into one, and basically write it similarly to how you write 了, except with two extra lines on the sides. Might make it easier to write, perhaps?
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Hand writing is outdated, right? I shouldn't have to bother learning stroke order or any of that shit, should I?
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>>101706816
enjoy not being able to find kanji by handwriting tools
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>>101706816
Pretty much. You don't need to be literate to consume cartoons and comics.
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So from beginning to where you are now what route did you guys take in learning Japanese to know what you know now?

Also a different question, what was/is your preferred tool or book for learning Kana and Kanji?
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>>101706816
Unless you're going to be writing a lot of Japanese, then I don't really see the point in having too. I guess it would help you remember things a bit better though, but other than that, you don't need to be able to write Japanese to be able to consume the media.
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>>101706865
The Google Translate handwriting tool works well enough without strong knowledge of stroke order, though you might need some sort of basic grasp of it depending on the word.
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>>101707168
>strong knowledge of stroke order
Does this even exist? Almost every kanji follow the same pattern for stroke order.
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>>101707260
I just didn't want to say that you need absolutely zero knowledge of stroke order, because I've found that most words on that handwriting tool work no matter what order you do them in, but some I haven't tried might not.

You're right, though; ignoring a few outliers, most kanji follow the same rules.
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>>101706816
Learning stroke order is trivial for the most part and offers various benefits:
- It adds a temporal component to the kanji that helps you remember.
- It enables you to much better decode bad handwriting by expecting the next stroke.
- Handwriting recognition tools is also a big one, as mentioned. Most kanji can be unambigously identified by their stroke order. It doesn't matter what your input looks like, as long as it was done in the right order (depending on the IME). Makes for fast handwriting.
- You'll need it if you indeed decided one day to write something by hand.
- You won't be a fool who cut infinitesimal corners and did a half assed job at something that takes years anyway.

Stroke order shouldn't even be a matter of discussion. Look it up for every character you add to your deck or whatever you do and study the outliers.
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Is it wrong to hand write 辶 with 2 strokes?
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>>101706816
I wouldn't say it's absolutely necessary unless you're planning on actually writing things, but it sure can be helpful as far as helping you remember things. At least it works that way for me, I suppose everyone is different.
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はらへった☆
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>>101708761
お腹がペコペコだ~
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俺之摩羅
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>>101706816
I have an ethical issue with doing a half-assed job like a lot of other foreigners.
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>>101707888
Well it is 3 or 4 or 7 but it's not like people don't blend strokes.
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>>101699850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF5cwHtNlog
I think she's pretty good at saying things simply.
This is a pretty good way to explain は and が.
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>>101712557
顔にドロッとぶっかけたいなぁ~
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#刹那主義
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>>101714497
how should that be abbreviated?

stnsg?
せなぎ?
っつんしゅぎ?
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>>101712557
pretty similar to the dobjg explanation
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>>101714808
I've seen japs use good old fashioned #YOLO in their tweets all the time.
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Why does this language have so many homophones? For instance せんせい can mean a teacher, an oath, autocracy and to preempt. Those are just the commonly used words, there are many other meanings it can have. I realize that they are usually spelled with different kanji but how on earth am I supposed to differentiate all these meanings in spoken japanese? I know the grammer would give it away a decent amount of the time but I can't help but feel that there would be many occasions where it would be difficult to decode the meaning.
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>>101714970
> know the grammer would give it away a decent amount of the time but I can't help but feel that there would be many occasions where it would be difficult to decode the meaning.
曖昧な表現でも、前後の文脈から意味が明らかになります
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>>101715428
English please.
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>>101715458
context
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>>101714970
pay attention to the context within which it is used, and you'll be fine. students don't generally address their teachers as autocracies
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乱暴
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http://may.2chan.net/b/res/243808337.htm
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>>101715969
欧米
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>>101716279
そんな画像なんか貼ってどういうつもり?
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朝立ち
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>>101716486
(前屈みの姿勢をとって、ちんこをつかむ)
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I'll be honest......

this is really

really tiring
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WHAnhCDM6A
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i've become an ankifag. not even reading an hour's worth a day
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What would be the next step in grammar after Tae kim?
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>>101720356
Dictionary of Japanese Grammar.

All three of them.
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Do them already.
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>>101720864
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Anything specifically and only in Hiragana for me to read? tried mother 2 but I'm not experienced enough to deal with tiny ass pixelated kana.
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>>101720864
自分をさせる
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So once you have remembered most/all your kana is Grammar the next step to take?
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>>101721367
Sure.
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>>101721367
Read the guide
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篝火 猩々 倅 足搦 依怙贔負 蟄居 鬢 蝮 根柢 搦め手
成蹊 頗る 転輾 痰壺 対蹠 嫩葉 鏤める 笞 砧 茣蓙
鬩ぎ合う 急遽 吝嗇 危懼 禊ぎ 褥 冪乗 推敲 毘沙門天
灌漑 灰燼 博奕 誹諧 齟齬 静謐 霰 砥石 標榜
阿吽の呼吸 蕁麻疹 静謐 罹災 堆積 隠れ蓑 鰯 蟾蜍(ひきがえる)
奢侈品 鹵獲 宦官 肉銛 佩楯 最後通牒 紆余曲折を経て
臥薪嘗胆 拮抗 背水の陣 孫子の兵法 夷狄 改竄
If you can't read all of these then you may as well just give up learning Japanese.
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>>101723092
Is that all you've got? This is third grader stuff.
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>>101717770
Please tell me you're not doing each of them separately...
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大雪は大切
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Namasensei coming back. Bitch
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After finishing tae kim's lessons, I don't think I really understand sentence structure. I can read a sentence and understand the words and what they mean (and usually understand the sentence based on context of the words) but I don't really understand WHY they are there. Has anyone else had any problems like this? Any idea how I can learn proper sentence structure?
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乱暴
禁忌
つまり

What other words sound like their meaning?
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>>101727191
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What's this supposed to mean?

>隆ってき・・・
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I finished drilling my first 200 kanji from Basic kanji book. Where should I look for reading exercises? I know some vocab as well.
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Is using a machine translator for VNs going to cripple me in the long run? I've been at it for a week and I've been picking up words, even not using the machine anymore at some point.

Not ATLAS though, Jsparser mainly. It autocopies the text from the game, so I'm essentially going through the sentences word by word.
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>>101723092
The funny part is that at some point you WILL stumble upon these if you consume Japanese media. I think I've encountered about a third of those words. Have some more I've seen so far:

蠟燭、桑田碧海、暖簾、熨斗、矍鑠、傀儡政権、魑魅魍魎、沈魚落雁、卒爾、接吻、木偶、木乃伊、絨毯、襖、蘇生、脊椎、脳漿、眼窩、腋窩、朦朧、近親相姦、圧潰, and my personal favourite: 蛍雪の功。
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>>101728790
>魑魅魍魎
I love that. I love 四字熟語 in general.
変幻自在.
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上げ
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I have just started to lean kanji and i have 2 questions.
First of all:

it says that this kanji can be read as
まな.ぶ (mana.bu) in Kun Yomi
what does the dot mean between な and ぶ
Does that mean you read it with a short pause between the letters?
And my second question, is there any logic behind how the multiple read kanji can be read?
For example 金 (gold)
can be read in On Yomi as
キン (kin)
コン (kon)
ゴン (gon)

Do you need to learn all 3, and if you do is there any logic to how the second 2 can be read if you know only the first one?

Same goes for
下 (below)
in Kun Yomi it can be read as
した
しも
もと
さ.げる
さ.がる
くだ.る
くだ.り
くだ.す
くだ.さる
お.おす
お.りる

Do all these follow any logic at all?
If not, wouldn't it be then easier to just learn how each word is written and read, rather than learning individual readings for each character since you might not need to know some of them due to how some words are more frequently used than others.
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>>101731691
The dot seperates the actual kanji reading from the okurigana.
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>>101731691
>what does the dot mean between な and ぶ
It means that the ぶ is okurigana and not actually part of the kanji, so it'd be written as 学ぶ.
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>>101731691

The dot shows where the reading of the kanji ends and the okurigana begins.
学ぶ = まな・ぶ

As for kanji with lots of readings like 下, your best bet is just to learn the words that use them and not worry so much about what -yomi you're using. Just keep in mind that 下る is くだる, 下げる is さげる and so on. Don't punch them in all at once, learn them as you come across them.
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>>101731797
>>101731815
>>101731897
ok thanks guys
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>>101731691
King Kong on the Empire State Building in Japanese is:
キンコンゴン the Empire State Building?
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>>101727020
Read.
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>>101726889
Where'd you get that photo?
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>>101727286
たつ
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>>101729462
They're pretty cool.

弱肉強食
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>>101728790
沈魚落雁閉月羞花
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man

The first thing MacArthur should've done was force the Japanese to adopt the Latin alphabet.
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>>101732459
sink fish fall wild goose close moon shame flower
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>>101732587
They tried and failed and stop complaining we won't sympathize.
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くろ人は怖いだろう
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>>101725268
Why would you not?
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>>101731691
>If not, wouldn't it be then easier to just learn how each word is written and read, rather than learning individual readings for each character since you might not need to know some of them due to how some words are more frequently used than others.
Mostly this. I've found that what's most efficient for me is just learning one reading.
Then my vocabulary brain section does the rest.
You have 金魚 in 金魚すくい from all dem natsumatsuri in anime, 黄金 in Umineko lingo, and 金色 in Konjiki no Gash. There you have all those three readings without worrying about "learning them" for even one second.
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>>101732587

This. Japanese would have been pretty much the easier language in the world , second only to Esperanto, maybe.

I think Hiragana is Okay, though. It's not as hard, and works fine.

Katakana is unnecessary. Foreign words should be expressed with the Latin alphabet or adaptations with hiragana.

Kanji has cultural value, and it's indeed sad to remove them and see it get lost, but it is as impractical as something can be. There should be the option of writing only with Hiragana.
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>>101733120

How long have you been studying?
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>>101733120
Spoken like a true beginner
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>>101733120
Do you even know how Japanese works?
It needs Kanji, and it has a value higher than that of a cultural one. It serves a great deal of useful purposes, and it makes things a LOT easier to read.
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>>101733142
>>101733192

Yes, I admit i'm a beginner. I studied it for three weeks only, had to drop to study some more urgent things.

>>101733291
I read the beginner guide, but I think I don't, since as far as I understood, Kanji can be replaced by furigana. Is it wrong? Why? Why is Kanji absolutely necessary?
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>>101733621
>Why is Kanji absolutely necessary

Because he spent years of his life learning it, duh.

You cant just remove it now.
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>>101733621

"Spring"

Now what did I mean with this word? The season? A fountain? Or a small bouncy object?
Now imagine a language where every single word is like that. Due to the limited nature of hiragana, there a loads of homonyms in Japanese. You just don't have enoug possible syllables to work with without making words too long.

Kanji helps to make everything less ambiguous. ほうしん can mean so many things it fills a whole dictionary page by itself. 方針, 砲身 and 放心 are clear.
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>>101733621
>Why is Kanji absolutely necessary?

because reading in just kana is slower and confusing. Also kana-only texts look ugly. But the most important reason is this: it's necessary because the Japanese say it is. They aren't abolishing kanji anytime soon so you have no choice but to learn it.
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>>101733859
>Now imagine a language where every single word is like that.

So how do they understand what others are speaking?

But yes, I understand your point.

>>101733894
>Also kana-only texts look ugly

Now I have to agree with you. mixing kanjis and kana looks prettier.
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>>101734019
>So how do they understand what others are speaking?

1. Spoken language is simpler than written language.
2. They sometimes have to resort to drawing kanji on their palm with their index finger to show what they meant.
3. Japanese comedy is highly based on misunderstandings and wordplay.
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>>101734267
>Spoken language is simpler than written language.

How so?
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Please help me guys I want to start it from the begining I am a retard so please teach me slowly.I'm sick of waiting for scangroups.
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Can anyone here tell me if the Everyone Learn Japanese series is decent enough or should I just stick with Tae Kim's Guide to Learning Japanese?

Also can anyone tell me what the reading levels are like for these manga and light novels?

Arakawa Under the Bridge
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
The World God Only Knows
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
Oyasumi Pun Pun(I imagine the first volume which I have in Japanese would be easy to read since it looks like the kids are talking in basic hiragana/katakana and using simple kanji?)
Strike Witches: Der Star Von Afrika volume 1
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>>101735491
You are doomed with SZS. You really are.
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People often like to cite and exaggerate the "problem" of Japanese homonyms as a central reason why the language is so hard.

It really isn't. Context and common sense will give the correct meaning 99% of the time, provided you actually know the word.

There are thousands of homonyms, but chances are you're flipping through a phonetic dictionary and being purposely disingenuous about the number of words that could actually get seriously confused outside of a comedic setting.
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>>101735491
I started reading Pun Pun recently and it's been pretty simple so far.
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>>101735312
>>101688231
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>>101734019
>So how do they understand what others are speaking?
Context and grammar.
How did you understand by "every single word" he meant "each and every word" and not "every word that is not married"? Well same thing.

>>101735491
Just look at the kind of magazine it was published in. If you're at the level where you have to think about the reading level you should keep to shounen magazines.
I'd recommend Jojo. It's fun, it has basic vocabulary, and it was a required read back when /a/ had people who knew their anime and manga.
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>>101723092
Anon you're making me want to kill myself.
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>>101726889
Hey namasensei, I've been wondering, how old are you?
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>>101734485
>How so?
Isn't it just a given?
How often do you say thing like "My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun"?
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Is reading furigana a good way to memorize new kanji and vocab?
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>>101736873
Can be. If you actually look at the kanji, you know. Otherwise it's like trying to progress by reading children's picture books.
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>>101736873
Isn't furigana only good for helping you look the kanji up?
(unless you already know how to speak, but not write, japanese)

It might save a little bit of time, but even without furigana you can still look the kanji up. I've been using this site for that purpose:
http://kanji.sljfaq.org/
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>>101736873
No, because writers have creative license to put any furigana they want.

本気(まじ)
妄想(ゆめ)
千(あまた)

They can also make typo mistakes.

食事(よくじ)

Use a dictionary.
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>>101732387
it makes sense now, thanks
why the weird kanji though?
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>>101737675
I should have prefaced this with "it depends on what you're reading"

furigana are indeed useful for looking up; I just assumed you were reading manga or some shit
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>>101737675
Do you mean one of those dictionary's that tells you the correct word when you hover over it?
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>>101737730
To be "deep" or "different" I suppose.
隆つ is not terribly uncommon.
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dead thread
dead language
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>>101738569
it'd be pretty fun to have latin threads
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>>101738631
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So japanese corePLUS gives me words like
かえる
with multiple meanings

note: the front of the card is the same, but the backs are different

what do?
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>>101739811
quid ni?
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先輩風を吹かす
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>>101739988
quid stultus es
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>>101739897

You mean it shows the kana on the front and the kanji on the back?

Flip the cards to show the kanji on the front instead.
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>>101740176
It shows kana on front
and kanji+meaning on back
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>>101740012
いじめっこ
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>>101740252
scio, sed non cura
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>>101740176
I think he means having 2 cards like this
着く つく to arrive
着く はく to put on

So you see 着く and always guess the wrong one, then think you are retarded. Took me forever to realize it was the same word on multiple cards.
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>>101740193

Yeah, then hit "Browse" at the top of the window, then select any card from the deck, click "Cards..." and then exchange the fields for kanji and kana. There should be something like {{Vocab Kana}} in the top-left and {{Vocab Kanji} in the bottom-left input field. Just exchange those.
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>>101740350
>then think you are retarded
yeah ;_;
i kept thinking "wow, i had this card two cards ago. how could I forget?"

will this ony effect the kareu cards, or all the cards?
i dont want it to affect ALL the cards
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>>101740423

See >>101740355

If you do this, it will show 変える or 帰る on the front rather than かえる.
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>>101740350
Not the same guy, but if you're using a deck with an example sentence on the front it shouldn't be much of a problem. If you've seen the card enough to have an idea of what the sentence means, you can remember which reading it is most of the time.

For instance, my deck had 毎年 (まいねん) and 毎年 (まいとし) separately, but the example sentences were worded differently so I could make out the difference (the audio also helps with that).

The first time you find a word like this you'll probably make that mistake, but just try to remember the sentence along with the word and it won't be too much of an issue.
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>>101740695
I have example sentences, but I don't put them on the front because the sentences always give the meaning away so I wouldn't memorize the word.

毎年 should be one card with multiple readings, there is no reason for it to be two cards.
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>>101740337
non curoじゃないの?
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>>101741297
itaなぜならtuバカes
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Can the potential form mean "allowed to", as in "may I leave work early"?

田中さんの娘をやれますか?
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>>101741216
Here's an example of my cards. The english has a black background so I won't see it unless I highlight it with the mouse, but I never use it anyway. If you're saying the Japanese sentence gives it away, then that's not really a problem.

And while I agree that having two cards might be too much, and this deck certainly has some weird things about it, but I would rather learn them separately than have a card that listed a bunch of alternative readings.
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>>101741579
Asking permission is usually ~てもいい

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/causepass
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Is it possible to learn kanji just from the core decks?
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>>101741684
>If you're saying the Japanese sentence gives it away, then that's not really a problem.

It is. Because I will recognize the word in the sentence on the card, but if I see it in the wild, I won't remember it at all.
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>>101741579
No.

It's the difference between being "allowed to" and being "able to."

Entirely separate. Potential form always means the latter.
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>>101741786
>>101742273
I'm glad I asked, thanks for clearing that up.
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It feels like I'm not making any progress at all by simply doing my reps.
Should I start reading even though I have to look up 80% in every sentence?
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>>101743080
Read and add every word you don't know to anki (at the top of the queue, not the bottom.) Suddenly your reps are much more helpful.
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Does anyone have a good solution for studying vocabulary and kanji at the same time? I have a large lead on vocabulary and started kanji later, but what I want to do is somehow automatically bump the kanji in the words and sentences I know or am learning to the top of the queue, so that I'll learn to write the kanji of the words I'm currently learning/have learned. I imagine it'll make it much easier to remember and relate the two things.
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>>101743225

What I do is use a kanji deck and every time I see a new one, I enter it here and add the "common" words that use it to a vocabulary deck:
http://tangorin.com/general/
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>>101743116
>Read
yes
> add every word you don't know to anki
Except don't do that, because that's stupid
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>>101743080
Yes. Reading helps a lot. It's also considerably less boring than doing reps.
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>>101743658
What process would you advise when reading?
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>>101744045
Not adding every word?
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>>101744139
Do you pick words at random to add then? Or do you just look it up and move on without adding anything?
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>>101689010
I just started doing the manga way and I think it's pretty good
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>>101744253
Only add common words. Or just move on without adding anything if you want. Both are better choices than slowing your reading down to a crawl so that you can fill up your anki deck and just remain an anki addict.
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>>101744336
It takes all of a few seconds to add a word to Anki if you're using the proper tools, and a good deal of the words you won't be adding anyway, you'll either know them already or they'll be irrelevant.
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>>101744336
>>101744528
My point is, if you're gonna look a word up you might as well hit an extra key and add it to your deck while you're at it.
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>>101744528
Wow, you're right. If you just know Japanese already, you don't have to add anything!

>or they'll be irrelevant
And the fact that beginners can't tell which words are "irrelevant" is precisely why they shouldn't just go adding everything.
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>>101744611
And you'll dilute your anki deck with uncommon words that you would be better off learning later.
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Don't even do a vocabulary deck. Maybe do a kanji deck, but vocabulary is easily and most effectively learned through sentences which you can do by just reading or sentence mining.
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>>101744867
That doesn't build active vocabulary, though. If you don't care about being able to produce Japanese, I guess that's fine, but if you never do any active work to recall vocabulary you're going to have trouble recalling E>J.
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>>101744948
Most people who do anki vocab decks to J->E, because you still get a decent active vocab, and you can always do stuff like lang8 or posting on nip websites when you get better.

But you really do need a vocab deck when you get to the point where you can read 97% of everything and need to push yourself to 98%
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>>101745163
>But you really do need a vocab deck when you get to the point where you can read 97% of everything and need to push yourself to 98%
No you don't. Mass memorization of vocabulary is not the barrier between reading difficult stuff vs very difficult stuff.
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>>101745300
What, you think you're gonna learn all those yojijukugo just by seeing them once every 3 months?
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>>101744948
>That doesn't build active vocabulary, though.
Yeah it does. Just put a note or a translation on the other side and try to recall it.
I set it up the same way in the core deck too.
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>>101745347
And you think you're really going to just memorize everything by shoving it into a deck that is exponentially increasing in size? Learning from context is far more useful than trying to rote recall everything you've ever seen.

>>101745391
I do E>J and that helps. I was referring to his suggestion of "just by reading" with no cards at all.
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>>101745347
Not him but yes actually. You'll pick it up on the third or fourth time even if the intervals are that spread apart. You don't need to see the word ecclesiastical every 3 months to know what it means.
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>>101745457
>Learning from context is far more useful than trying to rote recall everything you've ever seen.
You do learn in context: you see it for the first time in reading. Adding it to anki is just to reinforce it so that you don't forget it. If you have a sentence deck that's the same thing: you're reinforcing the word without encountering it naturally.
>deck that is exponentially increasing in size?
I've done about 5k words total in anki. That's less than what some people do before they even start reading.

I have trouble believing you guys can read most the semi-rare words with exceptional or unique readings without having put them in anki or having read a shitload. Shit like 襖 麓 袴 簾 御簾 餞 餞別 off the top of my head.

Sure, there is a point where you know enough that you can just pick stuff up. But if you don't push to try to learn a lot of hard vocabulary at some point, you'll never reach that point.
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Any recommendations for practicing my Hiragana? like reading material or something?
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Still in the midst of experimenting, but I think I might have better recall of older material when I'm in the habit of adding new cards daily. Does anyone else get this? I've stopped adding cards this month, and my retention rate on mature cards has dropped to 75%, whereas before that it never dipped below 85%. Might be a coincidence, but I'm not sure.
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>>101745889
Just keep studying Kanji and grammar and try to read whatever is in your reach. You'll get used to hiragana so fast and easily that you'll start wondering why you even thought there was something to worry about in the first place.
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>>101745866
>But if you don't push to try to learn a lot of hard vocabulary at some point, you'll never reach that point.
I have barely used anki at all since reading my first couple of books, and I know half those words anyway. Recognition is not hard, and anki is not necessary. How do you think the average middle schooler gets to a college reading level (in any language)? It's not from cramming vocabulary for hours, it's from reading more books.
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>>101746130
I haven't started my Katakana yet and I only finished my Hiragana yesterday by reading the first half of the book "remembering the kana" would it be a good idea to get started on the Katakana right away or should I for now just study some Kanji and their KUN readings in zkanji?
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It's insane how fast VNs/eroge are starting to evolve. This level of graphics are now becoming more and more common and average and they're making a lot of overall improvements.
EOP's don't know what they're missing out on.
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>>101747169
Don't ask questions that are answered in the guide, please.
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>>101748093
>that feel when slight boost in motivation just from this image
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>>101748093
Come back when I have some Thief & Troll level content with those graphics.
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Where the fuck do I start to begin learning kanji?
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>>101748573
the fkn giude
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Does anyone know where I can get a Phantom of Inferno translation? I'm playing the newly released game and I'd like to cross check for some of the more difficult sentences. There are a few torrents around, but no seeds. Can't really find anything myself.
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Besides Anki Aniki, what apps related to learning Japanese can /a/ recommend?
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>>101725268
What do you mean?
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>>101726889
W-what

Where did you get that?!

Nama-sensei is that you?
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>>101748681
Thanks! I totally didn't see that!

What I mean is, what did people use to begin learning their kanji and what were the reasons they picked said software to learn it over the others. I'm considering using kanjidamage, but without the stroke order I won't be able to remember them as well as I would like to.
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>>101749044
>Thanks! I totally didn't see that!
You would be the first to at least not look at it assfagus.
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>>101726889
Well, this is a pleasant surprise. You go gurl!
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「躊躇う」を書く直前、躊躇いそうだな。

>>101749044
>but without the stroke order I won't be able to remember them as well as I would like to.
stroke order font
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>>101750165
チルノちゃん、俺は何のために生きてるんだ
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>>101750165
チルノに勉強の応援もらってもなんか微妙な感じっつーか
なぜかやる気あんまり出ない
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>>101750804
むしろ低脳に応援されるって良くない?
多分こいつは敦煌すぎて嘘をつかないので本当に応援してるな感じ
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>>101750958
Gomen, Cirno can't read all that kanji.
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>>101750958
ほら
>>101751017
バカの勉強応援で喜んじゃどうするんだよ
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>>101749044
Try reading the guide.
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Man the shitposting on futaba is almost as bad as /a/
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Just started reading Yotsuba.

見つけたらひろっとくわ

I can sort of guess that it means something like "If i find her, i'll pick her up" or something (which lines up with 拾う) but what is っとくわ?
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>>101750958
what?
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>>101751347
ひろっておく
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>>101751779
What's her name? I didn't think I wanted a waifu until now.
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Do the Japanese interchangeably use cold (sickness) and cold (temperature/weather)?
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>>101753333
Congratulations, this may be the dumbest question I've ever seen asked on here.
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>>101753427
I feel honored
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>>101753333
お天気は風邪です。
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>>101753427
Nah, there was a guy a couple weeks ago who asked if パパ was read "papa."
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I'm playing my nip games and I notice a lot of words are rendered in katakana sometimes, like 俺. Why is this?
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>>101753498
そうだか、気をつけないと寒さ引いちゃうかも
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>>101753592

片仮名はカッコイイのためにクルーズ・コントロールだろう
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>>101753592
Because they aren't rendered as Kanji. There's no real logic to it. Sometimes you see the same word appear twice in a sentence and one of the times it's rendered with a Kanji the other it's not. Some words do tend to pop up more in hiragana than others, but it's ultimately a matter of what the person who was writing thinks would look better or just pure randomness.
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漢字がセクシーな
可愛くて美しくてとっても格好いい
漢字をぺろぺろ舐めたい
漢字を顔射したい
漢字を強姦したい
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Do most of you think of the sounds ら、り、る、れ、ろ as being 'R' or 'L' sounds. I know the most common way to write them in 'romaji' is with an 'R'

but I feel like if I have an R sound in mind then it sounds more rough (almost like a D), but if I think of an L sound it feels more smooth. I'm wondering which one gets closer to how it's supposed to sound
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>>101753592
オレ and ボク are more casual than when they are written with kanji
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>>101755438
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUEYVYruMvI
Watch this and be enlightened.
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>>101755438
I find that in normal speech it sounds more like a rolled r(or a single flap) but when they enunciate or speak more slowly it sounds more like an L. I haven't noticed anything in the absolute though. Yakuza type characters in anime seem to over roll the r, like a rr.
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Best method to learn Kanji?
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>>101755594
Ok. That's weird, but ok.
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>>101755864
なんっつってんだコラ
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>>101756582
Being born in Japan.
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>>101756582
kanji damage
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I find that the best way for me to learn kanji is to go to the "Jōyō Kanji" subsection of tangorin and add the information I want to know to an anki deck. Except this method will get hard to do after about 100 kanji unless in the future I want to keep clicking "more results" twenty times before I even find where I left off studying.
Does tangorin have an easily accessable, numbered list of the jouyou kanji to help this?
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>>101757277
What is tangorin?
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>>101751779
Can someone please explain the origin of this picture.
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>>101757442

Like jisho but easier on the eye.

http://tangorin.com/
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>>101757277
>Does tangorin have an easily accessable, numbered list of the jouyou kanji to help this?

Like this?
http://tangorin.com/common_kanji
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>>101757451

I think it comes from /jp/.
The original was something from a book that said "you can learn japanese".
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>>101757451
It was spontaneously generated when one day when someone asked a dumb question related to learning Japanese
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>>101757551
the original said "you can't learn japanese alone"
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>>101757642

Yeah, I remember now.
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>>101757540
Yes, that's perfect. Thanks
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Who listens to nip music while studying? I find it to be very motivating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLHfBm8vOpg
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>>101758676
I only listen to nip music
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>>101758676
If by nip music you mean eroge soundtracks, and by studying you mean reading eroge, then all the time.
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ぞろ目ならこのスレに居る皆(俺以外)は永遠に日本語を分かるようにならない
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How can my university, a school of some 60k students, not have a single Japanese textbook in any of the libraries? I really need something like that to help me learn, but they don't have any, or even access to any online versions. Ridiculous
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>>101758950
Why would it have?
It's not like Japanese is useful for something other than reading the text in the batteries that came with the remote control.
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>>101758913
おぉ、あぶなかった
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>>101758727
>search youtube for 'nip music'
>mfw
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>>101758913
このゾロ目を確認しろ
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>>101759080
ぞろ目ならこのスレに居る皆(俺以外)は充実した生活をおくるようになる
(まあどうせぞろ目がこないしこのような事を言っても危険はない)
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>>101759214
ぞろ目ならぞろ目じゃない
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Will learning to write Japanese be useful at all for teaching English in Japan?

I am leaving in like one month and practicing writing every day but I feel I can speed up my learning if I just did recognition and rely on computers for writing.
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このポストはぞろ目でなければ俺が世界一格好いいやつになると憧れの女と結婚して一緒に高年齢になるまで充実した生活をおくる
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>>101759428
It will probably make it a lot easier to communicate with your students and earn you much more respect and attention from them, but that's just common sense.
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>>101759591
that means you will get pussy easier
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Why there are no images on Japanese wikipedia?
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>>101758676
I need something to awaken my 大和魂.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O-NOg2pN28
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>>101760776
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ2zeulYjnI
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>>101760776
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w05Q_aZKkFw
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Guys I can't learn Japanese.
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>>101764354
The sooner you admit this, the sooner you can move on to more productive pursuits.
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>>101764354
:')
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>>101764354
just speak in haiku, it's the same thing
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>>101764415
More productive pursuits in terms of life or Japanese?
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>遠慮なく言ってくれ

What is the function of the くれ on the 言ってくれ?
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>>101764574
Saved. Thank you. I needed the part telling me to read news/podcasts/online tests etc.
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>>101764926
くれ is the imperative form. It's irregular. http://www.renshuu.org/index.php?page=grammar/individual&id=66
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>>101764574

Any good videogame news site you guys can recommend me?
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Why do I hear Japan pronounced as にぽん in some anime? Is it a dialect or accent or something?
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>>101765232
You mean にっぽん
It's just another way of reading 日本
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>>101765360
Simply another way or do only certain people use it?
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How long does it take you to learn a new phrase/word?
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Why am I scared to start Anki?
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>>101765144
So, being the imperative of give, it's a command for say/give. Meaning, "Say without hesitation." right?
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>>101766130
遠慮無く isn't "without hesitation", it's "without consideration (for me or what I might think)". But yes.
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>>101759428
I want to teach engrish in Japan
is it feasible?
whats the best way to do so?
is there any way to say that without looking like a massive weeb?
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>>101766117
The same reason why I am scared to.
I don't know why.
I've been putting it off for almost a week now.
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>>101765927
That's a very strange question. It takes a few seconds to read a dictionary entry so I assume that's not what you're trying to ask.
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>>101766117
>>101766556
Because you're two procrastinating lazy asses. Don't give me this "scared" bullshit.
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>>101766258
Depending on context "without hesitation" is a perfectly valid translation for 遠慮無く.
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>>101766740
I think it's because of the immediate commitment once you start and the fear of failure. The first step is always the hardest for me with stuff like this. I'll get over it after that though.
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>>101766258
I always thought of it as something like "with no hesitation", or "not holding back".
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>>101766523
How I am doing it is:

>Get a Bachelors
>Driver's License (Optional but helps a lot)
>Apply to a ton of companies not just JET you fool since their application process is stupidly long and their acceptance process is random as hell
>Learn Japanese (Optional)

Like literally all you need is a degree from a university and 12 years of schooling in English to become eligible.

I applied on a website, got a phone call a week later, interviewed the next week, and then got accepted a couple weeks after that. Now I am just waiting to hear what High Schools and Middle Schools I will be teaching at.
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>>101766683
No, I'm asking about learning the Kanji + remembering the pronunciation.
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>>101766932
Wow. You lucky cocksucker. Honestly, I am incredibly jealous. Did you need great university marks?
Holy Christ. You just might live the dream I never fulfilled and hook up with a bunch of highschool girls.
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>>101766917
It's one of those words without a direct English equivalent that are best understood seeing it used in several contexts.
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>>101767039
So? It also takes a second. Whether you'll remember it later is another story. It's hard to measure how long it takes to not forget about something anymore if that's what you're asking.
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>>101766932
I've heard somewhere that 90% of English teachers in Japan quit and move back to wherever they came from before three years. Do you know if this is bullshit or not?
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>>101766932
what sorta bachelor's should I get?
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>>101767266
I would be that's because they never bother to learn the language and end up being lonely illiterate people in a strange country.
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>>101767171
>implying all the kids won't just make fun of you like they do with every other foreign, foreign language teacher in any country ever.
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>>101767265
That is what I'm asking. Learning it implies you will always have it on hand.
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>>101767390
Wow, you seem like you traveled the world a lot and met many people.
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>>101767039
I have no idea how one would measure that. For example, in the first time I learned the word 沈む, in every other instance I've remembered it. But for some reason I had to grind the word 控えめ several times in anki. I also tend to memorize sci-fi vocab easier than cooking vocab (which I suck really hard because I don't know how to cook and find it boring to learn about japanese food names). Aside of these cases, I think it's a bit random. Some words I remember it well; others, I forget almost a few instants after.
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>>101767420
That's why I said it's a weird question. You can't really pinpoint a moment where it fixes itself in your mind, it's a gradual process without a well defined endpoint. There's no way to measure how long it takes.
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>>101767171
You can still do it anon. At the interview I met someone who waited until around 40 to try living his Weeaboo dreams and got accepted. I graduated Uni with a 2.3GPA in Biomedical Engineering

>>101767266
It's most likely true. At the interview they mentioned burnout, especially if you don't try to learn the language and trying to live Japan as opposed to just eating at McDonalds/Pizza Hut and hanging out with Gaijin English friends all day every day.

>>101767363
Any is eligible as long as it comes from a 4 year university
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>よく食うなみんな!

My first instinct for 食うな is the negative imperative, however the translation is
>You guys sure eat a lot!

Does that mean you can qualify nouns using the dictionary form + な, similar to how そう+な+noun works?
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>>101767266
Well, the stats probably change when you're from 4chan's /a/. Meaning that because of their flat, shallow interest, 90% will move back within a year

>>101767390
>>101767434
Well, I must say, he probably has a point, especially when talking about Japan. Nevertheless, implies he's good looking, it could be different. Girls usually do want older men, especially in highschool.
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>>101767666
よく食うな、みんな!

な is a sentence ending particle that works a lot like ね.
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>>101767582
>2.3GPA in Biomedical Engineering
Oh, fuck off. I'm going to go kill myself. Why the fuck is everyone on /a/ someone with some sort of engineering or medical degree?
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>>101767582
>if you don't try to learn the language and trying to live Japan
Not him but my main reason and only goal for going there, especially to live, would be to blend in with the natives. There's no way I'd still be trying to live my Canadian lifestyle over. It almost defeats the purpose of being there and ruins the experience. So most certianly, when in Rome, do as the faggot spartan retards do and fuck other members of your platoon in the as before heading out to war.
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>>101767582
>2.3GPA in Biomedical Engineering

That sounds exactly like where I'll be at when I graduate next year. I figured my life was pretty much over with a GPA like that, maybe I'll give JET a shot too.
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>>101766932

All of this shit sounds incredibly tempting until I suddenly remember that I hate the idea of becoming a teacher.
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>>101767772
>why is this website that's populated entirely by nerds filled with people who have degrees associated with nerds
I have not the slightest idea.
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>>101767951
Is 2.3 supposed to be bad?
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>>101768006
I graduated high school with a 3.9 GPA and that wasn't considered "great".
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>>101768005
>website
Didn't say that. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of 4chan users are highly educated/successful, I find far more of them on /a/. I also specified /a/ and not 4chan because after being on /b/ for a while you realize that everyone there has a fucked up life.
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>>101768006
My university will expel you if you drop below a 1.7-2.0 cumulative GPA. It's a little too close to that for comfort in my opinion. Plus most scholarships, study abroad positions, etc requite a 3.0+.
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>>101768080
High schools also run on a 5.0 GPA scale once honors and AP classes are taken into account. It's not exactly the same.

A 3.9 GPA in college would mean you aced almost every single one of your classes.
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>>101767951
Just make sure to apply to others in addition to Jet, since JET's selection process is really random

>>101768004
I don't play to stay an English Teacher forever if I like the country enough; it's merely a means to an end. I frequent these threads so that I can learn enough 日本語 to apply to Engineering firms/BioTech companies and the like while I am on my Teacher's visa if I wanted to live there permanently.
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>>101767210
But >>101766917 's description fits it perfectly. No need to overcomplicate it.
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>>101768311
>>101768272
>>101768080
>>101767951
I didn't take in that GPA varies greatly between country/state/province.
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>>101768324
>Just make sure to apply to others in addition to Jet

Other programs that offer work positions in Japan? What other ones are desirable, I'm only really familiar with JET.
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>>101768006
Yes, anything below 3.0 is bad, because if you get a C it means you just didn't give a shit about that class and didn't do the required work.
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>>101764574
do I have to dress like a hipster though?
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>>101768324
>it's merely a means to an end.
I plan to do the same thing as you some time in the future.
Except I don't know what that "end" would be exactly. It seems extremely tough to get any other job in Japan as a foreigner.
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>>101768658
Life. Is. Suffering.
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>>101768503

JET's ALT positions aren't really all that different from other ALT programs, actually. Maybe different from stuff like eikaiwa work, but not general ALT work.
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>>101768503
There's a ton of them. The big ones are JET, Interac, Aeon, Nova etc. Like, there are literally hundreds of them with most being Eikaiwa (英会話教室). A lot are founded by former English Teachers trying to make a living in Japan that is not directly teaching.
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>>101768324
>I don't play to stay an English Teacher forever if I like the country enough; it's merely a means to an end.

That's the only reason I'm considering the idea. I'm half tempted to do it just because I really need to push myself out of my comfort zone and I want to feel like I'm actually doing something with my life. I mean sure I'm studying at Uni, but I only really chose to do that because I didn't want to get a job. The one thing I don't get is how they're so lax with language requirements, I really don't understand how you can teach Japanese students English without understanding ANY Japanese.

Regardless I have another 2 years left in my degree, so I've got a lot of time to consider it.

I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD MOOT, IF YOU DON'T MAKE GOOGLE FIX THEIR BULLSHIT CAPTCHAS I WILL CRY.
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Why did namasensei leave Japan?
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>people still use KanjiDamage
Well, I do suppose Special Ed classes are still around as well.
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>>101769215

Most of the time, if you don't have an actual teaching degree (or TEFL or something), you aren't doing much actual teaching. Often you're just a glorified tape recorder ("assistant teacher").
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Can you guys provide me with a good site to learn romaji I'm not interested for now on learning kanji. I know all the trouble you get by learning like that but I still want to learn some phrases and words.
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>>101768324
>he thinks he can get a job in Japan that isn't teaching English
爆笑
You're in for a treat.
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>>101769681
Just leave. What you're asking is really really REALLY stupid.
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Will finishing Genki I and II, leave me roughly at the same level grammar-wise as Tae Kim's grammar guide would have?
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>>101769681
You're not a very smart person, are ou.
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>moving to Japan
あんた馬鹿?
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>>101769862
>they're doing something I can't or have convinced myself it's stupid to do
>better call them stupid
Remain a pleb.
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漢字勉強は難しいだよ。

これはブルシットだ。
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>>101769923
this weeb
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>>101769986
This implication
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>>101769860
>>101769773

Why? There are people who learn conversational japanese first.
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>>101770157
Leave me alone.
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>>101769681
Good news, you already know romaji.
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>>101769710
Not him. But moving to Japan is one of those few things in life that I want to and feel like I need to do. If I move there and hate it then oh well, I'll just come back. I would much rather have that than not moving there and living my life wondering what it would have been like if I had.
Life's all about the experiences, mang.
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>>101769930
勉強 isn't necessary here.
だ isn't used for い-adjectives.
でたらめ is the word for bullshit.
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>>101770157
>conversational japanese
only if your conversations are about your hobbies and the location of the nearest toilet
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>>101736521
>>101748923
it's just a screenshot from his latest video
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>>101770331

俺は恥ずかしいです。
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>>101769681
Go sign up for primary school because the latin alphabet is ELEMENTARY tier.
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>>101770585
>not showing him you learned nothing by using 恥ずかしいだ
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>>101770297
This man is wise.
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>>101771083

And probably has a lot of money.
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>>101770926
Well those dictionaries you guys provide with the pastebin. Does those give you the romaji, kanji and the english translation of the words?
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Are you guys implying that Namasensei browses /a/?

>>101771118
Yes, that too.
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>>101771123

No one is gonna give you romaji readings of the words because it's bad practice.
Just go fucking learn kana.
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>>101771123
If you're not even gonna bother learning kana, then anon please 出る and stay 出たの.
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>>101771241
Last question how do you guys learn to pronounce well then?
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>>101771288
I like the 切り of your jib. We should go どっか and have some 昼飯. I'll おごる of course.
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I'm still having trouble figuring out how to parse sentences sometimes.
For example
終了まであと3分にありました。

I get the meaning.. But I'm not sure if I'm supposed to think of it like
終了まであと3分に「ありました」
or
終了まであと「3分にありました」
or
終了まで「あと3分にありました」
this last one seems the least likely to me, and the first one seems to make the most sense. Am I right about that?
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Somehow I fucked up my rikai and I don't know how to fix it. When I mouse over a word it gets highlighted but that's it, no definitions. Tried hitting D and that didn't help at all.
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>>101771657
終了まで あと 3分が ありました。
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>>101771714
What you're describing sounds like Super Sticky mode, have you tried restarting it once and then pressing U?
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>>101727191
起こる
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>>101727191
乱暴 doesn't sound like its meaning though. It just has a character tied to the meaning.
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>>101727191
ファック
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Seriously, fuck the Chinese for inventing such a needlessly complex character set. Grinding through kanji is pissing me off because I can't remember shit. It's terrible.
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>>101772922

Grinding through might be a lot of work, but I really love the kanji system once you actually learn it.
It makes conjugating words and text in general a lot more organized. Kana only stuff is fucking awful to read.
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>>101772922
Kanji is fun, though. It's the grammar, expressions, colloquialisms, and various uses for the same particles that makes it tough.

I'd much rather know all the grammar then slow burn through all the kanji. Then again, this is coming from someone who intends to continue study past fluency from the 大漢和辞典.
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>>101772922
What's the point in grinding out all of the necessary kanji? Why not just learn a small amount (so you understand how it works) and then pick up the rest as you find it?
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記憶力を高めるために毎日勉強した単語を使ってブログを書こうと思っていたが
俺の人生はつまらなすぎてブログさえ書けない
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ひらがな「ろーまじがやられたか…」 カタカナ「フフフ...ヤツハワレラニホンゴシテンノウノナカデモサイジャク...。」 漢字「日本語の面汚しめ・・・」
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>>101773659
>四字熟語を使わない漢字さん
20点
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>>101773400
じゃあ、なにか面白いキャラ思いついてそのキャラの日常について書けばいいじゃない
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>>101774008
雑魚に対して強い技を使うもんか
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What is the point of Kanji? is it not possible for them to just abandon it and stick to Kana?

Also, what method do you use to remember your Kanji?
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>>101773072
agreed. i feel bad for the nips trying to remember english words
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>>101774615
Of course it's possible. But confusing foreigners (thus keeping away the merchant) is a plus.

Alternatively:
Had kanji, kept kanji: Japan
Had kanji, abandoned kanji: Korea
That should say enough.
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>>101774615
It would make homophones trickier, and you need kanji to express certain nuances like 早い vs 速い and 丸い vs 円い.

Or that's what they want you to believe. It's actually to help protect against dragons/jews.
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whatisthepointofspaces? isitnotpossibleforustojustabandonitandsticktogiantblocksofwords?

Yeah, we might be able to manage, but due to the Japanese language's insane number of homophones and context sensitive inferences, using only kana it would be practically incomprehensible. Only newfags ask this.

>why don't the Chinese just write everything in pinyin?
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>>101776283
>Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_phonology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology
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Is learning the radicals and memorising them really the best approach to learning Kanji? I have seen a few articles mentioning this method as being the best, is it true?
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>>101777497
depends
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>>101776483
Or
>waj dont ðe dʒəst jus ajpie tu rajt ɛvəri læŋgwədʒ?
Because the ones who use the language don't
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>>101768185
If it makes you feel any better anon, I graduated from college with a degree in Japanese and not only is my life a complete failure, my Japanese skills are likely worse than some people in this thread.
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>>101780059
>getting a degree in Japanese
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>>101777497
Anyone who learns kanji will eventually learn most of the radicals as they progress. The only difference is whether or not you take advantage of the way kanji are structured by giving radicals names and practicing them individually. From my experience, there is literally no downside to the latter.
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うわああああああああ
tricoro8段クリア寸前で失敗したああぁぁ
あと音符2つだけだったのに・・・
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Anyone remember that guy whos doing the fluent in 3 month videos? How did he do?
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>>101783043
failed but doesnt say he did just pedaling his book
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It's official, 200 threads without learning shit due to personal reasons. I miss you motherfuckers.
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>>101783635
There's always tomorrow.

Unless you have a heart attack.
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>>101783635
>tfw NEET and have whole days to study
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They're not gonna do themselves.
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I honestly think I'm just retarded. I can't fucking learn anything. I've been trying to learn japanese for almost 8 months now and all I've gotten out of it is about 300 kanji, somewhere around 700-1000 words and I can't into listening comprehension for shit.
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>>101785720
I started to watch anime more frequently after I learned a good amount of words and would mainly spend the episodes trying to listen out for words I recognized to help improve my listening.
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>>101785720
>I can't fucking learn anything.
You learned English. Was that 8 months of 30 minutes every other day or 8 months of 10 hours per day of mental masochism? Just study, review and use a ton of little bits of knowledge frequently every day. You'll get there faster than a native.
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>>101785894
>not just buying a native
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What are those top two characters supposed to be? I'm sure I'm overlooking something, but I can't figure it out.
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>>101786540

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>>101786552
Guess I've just never seen it in manga, then. Thanks.
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>>101786577
Get more familiar with your kanas, you should be able to see it immediately.

I often see questions in this thread where people simply are not familiar with their kanas enough that they either make mistaken transliterations or cannot recognize the character at all, it is imperative that you get familiar with both kanas and basic kanji instead of relying on people online to help you.
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Is there a place to learn large amounts of vocab without just forcing through an anki deck? It's difficult to learn new things through anki since it's just guessing over and over until you eventually get it right. It works much better when I have at least seen the subject beforehand
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>>101786907
>guessing
You should be trying your hardest to keep in your head not just haphazardly guessing - each time you get it wrong - spend time looking at it and if you have trouble try and find example sentences online and google image is useful too.

Raw manga/anime/visual novels/Light novels are all sources of vocab.
If you download .txt documents (raw) you can download a lot of LNs and do a text search in all of them to find a particular phrase or kanji and how it is used.
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>>101787022
I don't normally just guess my way through anki, I mean for decks that I've never learnt anything about the contents.
It asks me for a sequence of kanji that I've never learnt before so I can't do anything other than guess what they might be.

But alright, thanks.
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>>101723092
Some of those are actually not bad at all, quite common.
>鬩ぎ合う(admittedly more often kana than kanji)
>齟齬
>阿吽の呼吸
>隠れ蓑
>紆余曲折を経て
>拮抗
>改竄

These are all on the rather common side of things. And I recognized a fair bit more, too.
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I attempted a fan letter to NHK for Log Horizon because mamare-sensei said they appreciate that stuff.

I've only been learning off and on for about a month, sentence structure is still a guessing game for me. Can anybody critique my translation? Obviously I wrote the letter in english too and apologized in advance for the terrible attempt.

こんにちわ!私はブランドン。
ログ・ホライズンそのありがとう、素晴らしいです。
リーガルビューCrunchyrollよ。
ご苦労さん外人団扇から。がんばって!
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>>101787598
Get out of the habit of formulating an English sentence and translating it

Use Japanese from the beginning, or it'll always be awkward.
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>>101787354
Don't try to guess on your first time seeing something when it comes up. Just select 'good', learn what it is and try and remember for next time. Spending time trying to guess things you don't know is a waste of time; especially when it's just a plain vocab deck where you don't have other context to try and guess it.
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>>101774615
You should be grateful that they didn't do something like that.
Kanji is one of the few things that making this language a bit sufferable.
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Is 嫌いでしたからです correct or stupid and redundant?
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I'm 4 months in and I don't feel like I'm making enough progress. I don't just study a few minutes each day, most of the day is dedicated to Japanese. I read a page of a manga, then look the translated version over to see how well I did, and I routinely confuse grammatical concepts. I've done all of Genki and Tae Kim, which I continually refer back to.

Is this normal or am I doing something very wrong?
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>>101788307
I started 4 1/2 months ago and I just started the Kanji part with Tae Kim. Naturally, I have a significantly slower pacing than you but I think it's okay. This way, I'm actually having fun learning Japanese.
Maybe you should take it easy, as well.
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>>101753509
Yeah, I've been in that thread

I have an idea, we should archive the dumb questions in these threads and at the of the year, we will vote, which is the dumbest one.
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What are your reasons for learning 日本語?
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>>101789373
Japanese media and the culture.

Definitely want to do the WWOOF program when I get better at the language.
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>>101789373
I like the challenge
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>>101789373
Because my waifu speaks it.
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>>101789373
So I can consume Japanese entertainment and lurk in Japanese communities
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>>101789373
JRPGs, VNs and loli nukige.

The thing that I've spent the most time on since learning is loli, it has the added benefit of having simple language most the time.

小学生は最高だぜ!
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>>101789373
I want to have a firm grasp on 日本語, while having a firm grasp on my pee-pee.
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>>101787818
How do you really start thinking in Japanese? Just keep reading and going through sentence structure until it clicks?
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>>101789373
I want to become friends with my a voice actoress. Or at least talk to her for once, I'm sure she's a fun person.
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>>101790899
Sort of.
Mental training is the key, once you're fluent enough, start trying to force yourself to think purely in Japanese.
Just keep practicing and forcing yourself to push the english out while typing or speaking in japanese.
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>>101790899
That's what happened to me when learning English as a second language, I figure the same click will happen again with Japanese eventually.
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>>101786907
A book?
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Is it true that no matter how good you get at Japanese, if you try to approach a Japanese person in Japan to talk with him and he finds out you're western (which he we'll the second he sees you) he'll attempt to talk in English to you?
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>>101787598
Just out of curiosity, can I see the English version? I'm curious as to how some of those sentences appeared.

And your letter is kind of cute. Just like when you see a Japanese person trying to type something in English but he fails miserably even though his point more or less gets across.
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>>101789373
Manga, anime, TV series, books and games.

Perhaps eventually a trip to Japan and I don't discard the possibility of moving there in the future. God knows 20 years from now I'll have pretty much nothing I love left here where I live so leaving might getting a fresh start might be a very good idea.
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>>101789373
Last time this question was asked I had none. Then anon told me I can't learn Japanese. Now I will show him!
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wtf is written here? I cant find this kanji
?性
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>>101794065
>wtf
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I went through Genki 1 and 2.

Is that all I need to know about grammar for reading VN/LN/Manga or should I look into something else?
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>>101794163
what?
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>>101789311
Se could make a FA(D)Q (Frequently Asked (Dumb) Questions) too, it might help a lot with the stupid questions that get repeated over and over again.

Actually, we should really make a FA(D)Q.
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>>101790373
Care to recommend a good loli nukige. I've never been much into VN's before I stated learning Japanese, so I'm pretty ignorant about what's out there.
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>>101794558
Why don't you try and find out?
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>>101794759
Just wondering, really.
I still only know less than 1000 kanji so there is no point in trying.
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>>101794801
I started reading way before I learned 1000 Kanji and way before I finished Tae Kim. I don't see why you couldn't try.
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>>101794837
Eh I guess.
I did read some simple manga but I was asking out of curiosity if I will need anything else in the long run.
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>>101794947
You will need a lot. Actual Japanese can be pretty different from textbook Japanese, but most of it you'll learn as you read.
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>>101795033
Alright, thanks.
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>>101794065
疖性
It's not even Japanese, I found it using handwritten Chinese imput
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>>101795940
Chinese don't have kana though.
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>>101795940
Are you sure it isn't just ryakuji? Could be 痲
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>>101794065
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>>101794718
Stuff by さくらんぼう私立小学校 is quite good, 妹ペット was the very first loli nukige I read.

I also liked http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/game.php?game=16121 ,it was fairly cute at times too.

To find new things I normally go to sad panda and use the game CG category only, then add some tags of whatever I am feeling like at that point. If I find something that looks good I'll go to sukebei and download it there.
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>>101796568
>さくらんぼう私立小学校
Whoops, meant 私立さくらんぼ小学校
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>>101794065
this means 魔.
月の魔性
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>>101796551
>>101796948
Why are you ignoring 疒radical?
It's not like someone would simplify a kanji and add two extra stokes.
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>>101797118

Maybe someone made a mistake.
It looks handwritten, so it's possible.
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>>101796568
Thanks, that sounds like a good idea.
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>>101790373
>>101794718
>>101796568
ロリコンは病気です。
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>>101787598
>ご苦労さん外人団扇から
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>>101799750
>>101799750
なんて素晴らしい病気だな
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>>101800042
Not him but how about

外人の団扇からご苦労さん
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>>101801725
>団扇
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What's the nuance of using 訊ねる and 訊く over, say, 尋ねる and 聞く?

I'm playing 超ヒロイン戦記 (yes, yes, I splurged on it) and they're using this '訊' that I've never seen before the game almost exclusively for the 'inquire' words...
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I'm just about to make my own kanji deck and start learning kanji. I plan to take a break after around 500-700ish kanji and move on to vocab. Should I use kanji seperated by grade, JLPT level, or frequency in newspaper?
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>>101802841
Whenever have a question of this type, google XとYの違い, replacing X and Y for the two different writings for the word.
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>>101802984
I'd say grade is possibly the most useless separation for foreigners, JLPT level sounds good.

Personally I used radical order because I'm a retard when it comes to visual memory, worked well enough, though I didn't do a lot of words before I was almost done with joyo which is kind of a not so recommended way of going about it, I guess?..
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>>101803145
I'll try, thanks, but I'm kinda bad at reading these explanations so I was hoping someone'd know.
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>>101802841
>>101803145
Tried to google, I take it 訊ねる sounds kinda 'interrogative' since it originated from 訊問 and there's the slight difference.
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Which VN is the easiest to read?
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>>101803888
はなひら is very easy and short.
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>>101787458
標榜 急遽 根底 灌漑 are just normal common words.
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>>101802841
Most authors probably just have one or the other that they prefer, and aren't even thinking hard about the difference themselves.
Although note that 訊く can't mean "to hear/listen"
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>>101804108
>>101803888
Seconding はなひら, it even has a repository with about 1/3 of the game translated to help you out in tough spots

Though the unedited files can be rough or have some slight mistakes here and there as far as I remember, nothing too criminal though.
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>>101803888
難題の無い人生は無難な人生
難題の有る人生は有り難い人生
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>>101803888
The one that sounds interesting to you and isn't notoriously difficult.
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Is there a reason こんにちは is spelled with an ん? Just seems redundant.
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>>101804430
Because follow the guide in OP
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>>101804477
>Ctrl + F "こんにちは”, no results

If anything, shouldn't it be a っ?
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>>101804663
If you can't tell apart こんにちは from こにちは you really need work on your listening. Sure, they're similar, and a lot of people even pronounce it こにちは, but the difference should be obvious nevertheless.
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>>101804663
っ never occurs before な、に、ぬ、ね、の. ん is essentially the っ in those cases.
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>>101804430
This is why you learn kanji. 今日は = こんにちは
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>>101804971
>今日は = こんにちは
You'll never see こんにちは written like that though. Any sensible person would read 今日は as きょうは
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>>101804937
Ah, didn't know that.
Thank you.
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>>101804971
wat
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>>101805049
Of course. However, if you knew the kanji you would know what it's こんにち instead of こにち
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>>101804937
> ん is essentially the っ in those cases
Except they are completely different sounds
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>>101805081
今 = こん
日 = にち
は = は

You never made the association?
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>>101805089
No, if you knew the word you would know that. Knowing the kanji explains the reason, but you still have to learn the word.
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>>101805760
You mean, except ん is a sound and っ isn't.
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>>101733120
Let's take a look at the Korean language, which removed kanji (hanja) and replaced it with a fully phonetic alphabet instead. Both Korean and Japanese have remarkably similar grammar and vocabulary (identical etymologies/similar pronunciations), but Korean uses spaces unlessyouwanttoreadsomethinglikethis. This fully phonetic system + spacing works better in Korean because there are a huge number of sounds more than in Japanese, which only has ~46, so you'll still be able to figure words out relatively quickly since the sounds are more unique. So now the choice comes down to full kana with spaces (if you try to read a passage with all kana no spaces, good fucking luck figuring out where one word ends and the next begins) and using kanji, which allows you to skip spaces (which are pretty dumb to begin with in a language that doesn't follow the typical western patterns where spaces came from [as opposed to the Far East, at least]) and simultaneously, allow you to read boatloads faster simply because it's easier to recognize 2 characters which put together, has one meaning, than trying to decipher which of the 10 possible meanings 4 characters could have. It doesn't take long at all to learn at least a couple hundred kanji either, which appear in something like 50%+ of all written work and allow you to read boatloads faster than in comparison to just kana.

Also, learning the etymologies of words is fun, coming from a Korean.
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I started Kanji on Friday and I'm actually enjoying it. I suppose a person just needs to find something that clicks with them, even if it means going against the generally accepted method of study and learning. I was dreading it before, telling myself that surely there is no good reason they still use this outdated gimmick in their language, but I actually get it now. I've still got an awfully long way to go, and I'm sure I will have frustrations along the way, but it does make sense to me now why the language is the way it is.
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Someone explain to me the use of the hiragana お before some words like father or vagina
What nuance does it add to the word?
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>>101807131
"honorable"
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>>101807279
Huh
So not saying the o is being rude?
Seems to be on the weirdest words thats whats so strange
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>>101804971
I didn't learn the kanji, I got it immediately.

こん = now/present にち = day は = topic particle

こんにちは = as for this day


You learn the kanji as you learn words, that's why I don't bother studying the kanji alone.
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>>101804971
Thats "kyo wa" you fag



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