Why do American manga publishers do this?
liscensing and other costs
There's a much larger market in Japan that allows for them to know that their product will sell and they'll get the money back, in America there's no guarantee
to make a profit
what's wrong? I like the brighter colors
Because they can.
American manga is also typically printed on bigger, thicker, whiter paper.
Guaranteed to sell tankoubons to readers of the magazine.
There's no magazine to remind people about buying the tanks.
Are people really this stupid?
at least the bluray prices are better
Is this hardcover? Would explain the overpricing.
Harcover manga is an aberration.
Fantagraphics is like the Aniplex of manga companies. They snatch up the "niche, hardcore" titles and then charge out the ass for them because the fans of the series they buy up will feel forced to pay so they can own it themselves.
I still bought it. I love this manga.
>Someone actually worked to create this from scratch
>translation of original
How is that even possible?
What is supply and demand
>sell 80,000 the first week
>sell the rest in a month
>sell 800 the first week
>sell another 8,000 in a year
this is why the scanlations community is so large
Yet hardly any of them are even minimally acceptable at it
Oh right, I meant "japan" and "america".
I wish there was some kind of kickstarterish site for manga publications where they'd print the stuff that would reach a certain number of preorders. And anyone could put in orders.
Fuck off. You clearly know nothing about either community
I don't have any manga laying around, so I can't get a good picture, but here's some landwhale's collection, and you can clearly see that the Japanese tanks aren't as tall.
It's not immediately obvious, but they're also thinner. The Japanese tanks have thicker covers + dust jackets, but the individual pages are thinner.
you get what you pay for
This is why I stick to scans and buying short series.
Too many companies with outrageous prices ($400 investment for one manga) and publishers not finishing series.
Don't know about your shit country but we only pay around $10 here in the UK for our manga.
Fansubs are generally adequate
It's not a bad idea. Honestly, there's a big gap in the paid online manga market that could include some kind of service like that.
The print quality can vary. I've had "premium" manga from Vertical with spelling errors, ink blobs, pages having huge chunks cut off compared to the original and other garbage.
You'd think with the prices they expect you to pay they'd have better quality control.
$9-$11 is standard in America too.
I think the additional $20 come from importing from japan
They are THIS greedy.
OP would have me believe otherwise
But I thought that japanese paper were each folded 1000 times.
because this is 'merrica and muh rights to gouge you
They're the only dick around and you are desperate for that manmilk. Supply and demand, nigger.
Berserk costs $15 a volume, but only around 10-13 on amazon.
Excluding Omnibus stuff manga isn't that expensive, at average $10 a volume.
I once read that you can't fold a piece of paper more than 7 times.
Isn't the american release of HM a really BIG hardcover book?
They're publishing Wandering Son hardcover only for some reason.
Try it, you can't
Last year I read about DH not reprinting Berserk because they'd have to print 1k copies where they'd normally push ~100 per year. The remaining copies would take a decade to get rid of.
The idea is simply that if e.g. DH gets 1000 orders for Berserk v1, they could reprint it and not worry about storage costs.
Retailers could get a lower price by simply ordering lots of hundreds.
But they did reprint Berserk and that shit has been selling out. Almost every time I go to buy a few volumes at least one volume is sold out and I have to wait for a copy.
No. Most shounen titles are printed on yellowish paper.
World record is 11 times.
If you folded a newspaper sheet in half 100 times, it would be bigger than the universe.
Not only for mange. You can do it for Anime as well.
That would push up price per volume, though
I'd think if you folded a sheet 100 times, it would be the same size just more compact
Every time you fold it, its thickness inevitably doubles.
100 folds therefore mean that the thickness of the paper must be multiplied with 2^100.
Every 10 in that 100 can be interpreted as 3 zeros, so that's a 1 with 30 zeros.
Yeah, they did. I used it as an example.
One could implement stretch goals like Kickstarter. Everyone gets a dollar off their price if preorders reach a certain number.
Ideally the site would be run independently of the publishers, but of course in cooperation with all of them.
Don't know about your shit country but we only pay around £4 here in Poland for our manga.
>Not just pirating
The US edition will reach a potentially larger market, which means more risk, which costs more
You mean €, right?
I'm willing to pay for my manga fix. I'm willing to pay for a skilled translator and editor doing their research (every translation isn't Excel Saga, sadly).
E-readers and computer screens don't really give me the immersion I want. Forcing me to print what I really want to get reading.
Exactly the opposite. Japan's market is much larger, which means the fixed cost of producing the manga can be made up for at a consumer price that is much closer to the marginal cost of printing another copy.
The second largest manga market is France, not the USA.
Monthly subscription site that has raw manga on it and some translated stuff to start it off.
Crowdsourced translation/editing for site credit/cash at reduced rate/affiliate gift certs. KS style system that sends out copies and asks for payment every x00/x000 people that register interest.
Plus other cool stuff and free content to draw interest
I mean ¥630 to be exact.
Best of all, something like that would be good for scanlation groups and give publishing companies a reason to lawyer the SHIT out of mangafox/equivalent
Wrong, I can fold it like 20 times.
Where are you that you bay 25 bucks? I always see them for 7-15 depending on the size
You just know that this would result in some ESL shit full of mistranslations. People would enjoy it because they don't know any better.
They are overcharging yes, but you need to account for translator-san and the new distributor.
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This is what 11 folds looks like.
what the fuck
a normal tank costs like $7 in yurop
Maybe if you're retarded and fold it in half. Forward it in smaller quantities and you can fold as many times as you like.
It's a hardcover.
>I wish there was some kind of kickstarterish site for manga publications where they'd print the stuff that would reach a certain number of preorders. And anyone could put in orders.
It's not a Kickstarter or anything, but pretty much anyone can write something and get it published as light novel or cell phone novel in Japan. Most of it is fan fiction tier garbage.
I see. How the fuck does Japans sell those for so cheap then ?
>mfw only five Guin Saga volumes have been translated to English so far
>out of 132
They don't sell hardcover to inflate the price.
because they print it as cheap as possible and with low number of pages per-release. it's why light novels generally have a fuckton of volumes.
>hardcover costs $18 more
I'll take the softcover thank you very much.
Well, the site would have its own translation QCing team that awards the site credit. Crowdsourced redrawing, TS, is what I meant by editing.
It'd still end up higher standard than lots of scanlation stuff
Higher sales. Publishers not being as greedy. And most importantly
IF IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN YOUR STANDARD 600-800 YEN NOBODY WOULD BUY IT.
So yeah, the power in the hand of the buyer.
But the h-hardcover...
It's... s-so hard..!
Take into account licensing, publishing, translating and the product having a smaller audience.
Also relatively small format.
If we can just turn this into an American Anime/Manga publishers thread...
Why the fuck has The Tatami Galaxy not been released physically yet? Funi owns the rights and has all the episodes subbed online, plus they do release sub-only BD releases, so what's stopping them?
Chinese cartoons are a niche.
Because they push more copies for every volume.
Writing, drawing, translating and editing a page of manga has a fixed cost, you pay only once. The more copies you spread this initial cost on the smaller it becomes.
Let's assume all stages of producing a tankoubon cost $10K. We pay the mangaka, his assistant and editor and whoever else to draw those 200 pages.
If we print 100 volumes, we'd have to sell them for $100 each, plus the priting cost, logistics and retailer's share.
At 1000 volumes it becomes $10. At 100K volumes we're down to 10¢.
>implying that's a lot
Check the local Japanese prices.
>£4 here in Poland
8 yuros in superior Finland.
I'm Italian and I pay from 4.30€ (cheap shoujo) to 6.5 (most manga); it can reach 7.5-10€ for some niche things but I've never seen more than that for normal manga.
Would it actually sell enough to warrant a BD release? doubt it.
Aside from what others already said, it's because LNs are a huge deal in Japan and there's an enormous installed consumer base so you earn more in bulk.
They released a press statement a few weeks ago, here's an excerpt
>Becky says something is cold but I can’t hear what is cold…)
Do you own any English LNs?
croatia here. yeah, it's about 4-7€, although to be fair we only recently started getting natively translated manga, like two years ago or so.
I think it has a large enough niche to justify a limited release.
What's that supposed to mean?
why do people that can't read moon buy raws?
English LNs flip the pages. What the fuck is this, the 90's? Even manga stopped flipping the pages in 2002.
So it's the opposite of BDs?
>not reading your manga in authentic fashion and confusing everyone around you
Hardcover and the licensed book has much larger pages and uses a much nicer quality of paper.
Hardcover alone for same size book normally adds about half the softcovers cost to the book.
6 + 3 = 9
Add on the larger size means material cost alone increased by roughly about 2/3rds but just say by half since the cost of the books isn't just in materials.
9 + 4.5 = 13.5
Licensed version of any softcover manga is normally about $10-14 so assuming the cost was $6 for the original it roughly doubles to license it.
13.5 + 6 = 19.5
Better paper quality adds to material costs, though how much who knows, lets say $1-2
19.5 + 1(or 2) = 20.5 ~ 21.5
So considering 24.99 is the scam bookstore price and not the real buy it online price (RIghtstuf) the price is pretty appropriate.
FYI Rightstuf before the 10% discount everyone should have if you're shopping there is 18.74 so you're paying 3 times the originals cost vs 2 times and getting a hard back of a much larger size for the difference in cost between a standard licensed volume and this.
But LNs are just words
To learn Moon?
The one on the left is the NA release of the manga. The one on the right is the NA release of the LN. Am I missing something? And they only did that "realistic" cover shit for one volume because people were pissed about it.
Anime is for nerds and losers, manga is for normal people.
So that's 1*10^30 what?
How thick is a newspaper?
>paying for books
A Kindle costs $80 and you can read every single book for free
I like owning books and manga.
>Not having a huge collection of manga
So therefore we can conclude the universe is less than 1*10^30 not very's wide
Sure for hefty tomes it's better to own a physical copy so you can refer to it easily when you need to look something up, or flip back and forth to earlier references
But manga is something you read once, maybe twice in your life, then discard forever. You can just read it online if you want to look at it again anyways.
Manga looks weird on my Nook.
I got no problem trying to get English LN's, but the problem is that there are so few of them actually released for me to pirate.
The Welcome to the NHK one was pretty good, though.
A knife costs $10 and you can kill yourself and live with your waifu for free forever
You mean legally?
I import all my manga from Japan so I might be wrong, but we seem to have pretty reasonable prices here in Germany. I remember seeing the whole Elfen Lied manga being sold as a single large volume for just 10 Euros, which is quite a bit less than it would cost to buy the whole collection in Japanese.
I love the small form factor of Japanese LNs. They actually fit into my fucking pocket, unlike most western paperbacks.
I know, it just feels nice to own them anyway.
Yeah, but I don't get the right feel when reading.
I love flipping pages.
I fucking love Omnibus edition. I just wish more made it to the west or if they collected issues into them for conveniences sake.
>reading digital books/comics
it's just not the same, although I suspect this will slowly go away as new generations grow up with digital goods more and more
Atoms are about 1e-8 to 5e-8.
That means even a sheet one (small) atom thick would be 1e22 thick folded 100 times. That's in metres. That's still billions of times wider than our son. Well, 10000000000000 times wider than the sun
I can't stand omnibus collections. I don't know why.
I suppose it depends on how big it is.
by 2030, everything will be digital.
I wish I lived in Japan if only to look at their book stores. Their packaging and covers are always so neat.
To support the creator.
mroe like supporting the publisher
I feel the same way about all of the shops in Akihabara. Though I'm sure after a month or so it would eventually become boring.
ergonomics with e-reading are playing catch-up. It's kind of surprising it took so long for nooks and kindles to be invented.
It's more support than buying localized crap.
Physical books will always have a place, just like vinyl still exists.
>No Bakemono series LNs translated to English despite the immense popularity
>No Shin Sekai Yori actual novel in English
>No Tatami Galaxy novel in English
I wanna learn Moon just to read these (and Murakami's works) and a few more.
1) Niche Market
2) Licencing Costs
3) Translation Process, Including Layout etc
4) Storage and Transporation
If they are lucky they are getting their 30% profit.
They'll digitize me over my dead body.
>It's kind of surprising it took so long for nooks and kindles to be invented.
There were e-readers at the end of the 90's/beginning of the 2000's.
Unfortunately they were all shitty and were annoying to use. It was only when e-ink and touch screens came about that people began picking them up, because these thing were close enough to the "real book experience" for many people. Everything else was too computerized or too clunky.
I forget where I read it, but I think it was in the early 70's that the first book to be digital was uploaded somewhere.
Not even God can deliver us from this evil.
in indonesia it cost at most $2.05. usually it cost $1.517
I'd kill for Tatami Galaxy in english.
Are those legally licensed?
Bullshit, I have KoreZombie by Yenpress and the paper is like it was printed with cooking oil on fully black paper.
Poland, smaller market than US, standard price is 19,99 PLN(6,51$) per volume. And that includes white paper, color pages and(in most cases) dust covers
Yen Press isn't typical.
No, honestly, drop that 0.09.
Reading digitally is way more immersive. Usually I read in a dark room and don't see anything other than the light-gray letters on the black background of my phone's screen. I don't get distracted by my environment, and I don't have to worry about the page getting enough light from my reading lamp. And holding my 100 gram smartphone isn't nearly as tiring for my hands as holding paper books that are up to 10 times as heavy.
oh wow, I bought it at $2 and it's legal.
Inflation, capitalism and for the most part Japan has a stable economy that is billions in debt yet rarely ever changes.
In the 1960s and 1970s food pills were suppoed to replace everything we ate.
As I see it, the relationship between ebooks and printed books will be like the relationship between going to McD's and eating at a fine restaurant. That is, putting "food" into your body and actually enjoying a fine meal.
yes, the non legal cost $1.2
Fantagraphics are faggots who release hardback only to drive up the price.
They come translated and the pages doesn't break when you touch them, fuck some manga are made of toilet paper in japan.
People already do it for free. Use their work. Oh nooo muh translationsss they cry. Shut up and we dont sue you for using our cartoon comics.
Marketing: Put X in your manga section. It appeals to genre and has sold X number in japan super popular that will be popular here too.
Also use cheap printing in rural asia and ship it. If I can buy an hdmi cable from hong kong for $1 shipped then they can do something.
"KS style system"
Yeah but we earn like $500/month. I wish I could afford importing BDs.
>People already do it for free. Use their work.
You clearly never bought a manga in your life, the difference between the officially released translation with the shitty free scanalations is abysmal in most cases.
I pitched the idea of having a kickstarter-like site that collected preorders for prints or reprints of manga volumes. You need to print a certain number for it to break even, this would let you (re)print volumes without the risk of dealing with huge lots of unsold copies.
Some things spun from there.
Do you also watch Hadena?
Back in my day manga was either 9.99 or 19.99.
Now it's free for me.
Only time will tell.
>holding my 100 gram smartphone isn't nearly as tiring for my hands as holding paper books that are up to 10 times as heavy.
I actually did some measuring with a couple of books I've got lying around here:
Kara no Kyoukai volume 1 of 3, small-format Japanese novel: 160 grams
Jojo no Kimyou na Bouken volume 22, small-format Japanese manga: 190g
Vinland Saga volume 3, regular-sized Japanese manga tankoubon: 218g
Learn to Remember, English non-fiction book, softcover, 160 pages: 296g
The Bible: Old & New Testament: 666g
Software Engineering, by Kassem A. Saleh, hardcover: 800g
Computer Organiztion and Design, by Henessey and Patterson: 1576g
Nexus S smartphone (bought it 3 years ago, there are much lighter models on the market now) which contains all the above books on its flash memory and doesn't need an external light source for reading: 140g
>Reading digitally is way more immersive.
>The Bible: Old & New Testament: 666g
I'm a UKfag so I managed to snag the UK release, but the subs... Honestly, I wouldn't recommend it. They're tiny, often smush three lines together and is general difficult to read. I say this as someone who'd obviously no problems with the original subs.