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The best fights in DBZ are the ones not about powerlevels.

I noticed this during the Boo Saga. Gotenks vs. Buu was hilarious with Gotenks army of ghosts etc.
Then the last Genkidama by Goku with Mr. Satan helping to get everyone's energy, his Dog, Fat Boo, and also Vegeta's struggle...it was really awesome
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But DBZ ended at the Cell Saga with the best fight in the series.
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What disappoints me is how originally, Dragonball was a martial arts manga. Characters had to learn new techniques and come up with strategies and tactics.

By the end, the "martial arts" aspect was completely lost. The only thing that matters is the amount of energy you can generate. The more energy, the stronger and faster the fighter. Technique was rendered worthless. Styles pretty much stopped existing altogether.

90% of the ki blasts in the series did the exact same thing. What the hell's the difference between the Galick Gun and the Kamehameha and the Masenko? They're all the exact same fucking thing.
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Why didn't they just use Mafuba on Buu?
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I liked Trunks vs Cell.

Trunks was physically stronger and could beat down Cell. But Cell was faster.

It showed how inexperienced Trunks is with fighting, he couldn't understand until Cell told him his weakness.

Vegeta vs 18 was good as well.
Vegeta was strong enough to damage 18 but she had unlimited energy being an android. She just played with him until he got tired.
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>>101675025
>What the hell's the difference between the Galick Gun and the Kamehameha and the Masenko?
the way you hold your hands
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>>101675204
I'd hold your hands, anon.
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>>101675025
There was still tactics and strategy.

Gokus instant transmission kamehameha on Cell was genius. No one expected it.

Cell becoming a bomb was also pretty smart and actually killed Goku.
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>>101675025

What's great was that DBZ ended on a parody note with Boo.

It was the best way to end it.
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>>101675234
I would hold your hands too so you can be restrained while I rape your small and round ass
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>>101674874
Why was Vegeta the only one smart enough to attack Cell from above?

Everyone else was directly in the blast path of Gohan..
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Most of the fights in Dragon Ball Z were one-sided as fuck:
>Nappa dominates Piccolo, Krillin, Gohan and the others
>Goku dominates Nappa
>Vegeta dominates Goku
>Kaioken x3 Goku dominates Vegeta
>Oozaru Vegeta dominates Goku
And so on

Hell, was there any fight in the show where the parties involved were equals in power and the victory was decided by who fought better? I can't think of any
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>>101675025

> What the hell's the difference between the Galick Gun and the Kamehameha

Well thats easy anon. One is purple and the other is blue.
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>>101675841
C17 vs Picolo
Gotenks vs Boo
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>>101675841
Cell vs Goku was a pretty even fight until Goku ran out of energy.
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>>101675841
Goku vs Cell maybe. Goku is not stronger than Cell but Cell also isn't too strong for Goku to do anything. If he couldn't regenerate, Goku's warping move could have won the fight.
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>>101675025

Your mention of the Galick Gun made me think of something with DBZ that really shows how out of hand it got. I don't think Toriyama was considering how far the story would go when he did the Saiyan plotline because the finale is Vegeta attempting to destroy the entire planet with his Galick Gun attack, which Goku stops with his Kamehameha. As the series went on, the characters at this time period are considered incredibly weak fighters who could never face later throwaway enemies like the Ginyu Force, much less the real bad guys such as Frieza, Cell, Buu etc. But it seems really stupid because they had so much power they could apparently destroy a planet.
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>>101675922
C17 actually had the edge on his fight with Piccolo thanks to his infinite energy supply. Right before Cell showed up, Piccolo's stamina was already depleted from the fight, yet 17 was still in top shape.

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>>101676004
Cell was holding back during his fight with Goku. He only showed his full power when Gohan started to give him trouble
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>>101676008
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Toriyama planned to finish the series at the end of Frieza saga. Super Saiyan was going to be the ultimate power.

He dwarved the Z warriors power on purpose to create tension and challenge. Which makes a lot of sense.
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>>101676040
Cell vs Goku was still a pretty even fight, they tried different techniques on each other and different strategy.

Cell could have made it one sided but he enjoyed the challenge.
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>>101674874
My favourite fights are Goku vs. Perfect Cell in the ring and Goten vs. Trunks at the Tenkaichi Budoukai. I like fight with long nice choreographies not interrupted by audience commentary or characters thinking or being surprised.
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>>101675841
Goten vs. kid Trunks in the Martial arts tournament during the Buu saga.
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>>101676117
Please, let's not dwell into how many times Toriyama wanted to end Dragon Ball.

>>101675285
Not sure if sarcasm, but I agree. I liked Boo saga. It was combination of wacky Dragon Ball humour and badassness of Z.
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Android Saga was pretty shit though

Too much training and poor villains
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>>101675841

Didn't Oozaru Vegeta lose in that fight to Goku?
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What would have happend if Cell lost to Goku through touching the ground (before this rule was removed).
Would he be like "Ok guys, I lost, so ill stop killing humans now?"
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>>101677177
He probably would've blown up the ring and just kept fighting.
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>>101677177

Yes, he would realize that he isn't ultimate superior creature and become a bro like Piccolo.
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>>101677177
> I lost the battle but not the war.

Then he would proceed kill everyone.
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Why would the Saiyans be surprised that the Z Fighters could raise their apparent power levels by focusing their energy and firing lazers if the Saiyans and everyone in the universe could do that too
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>>101676008
Master Roshi with his power level of less than 200 could blow up the Moon so why not
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>A fights B
>A is much stronger
>Instead of A killing B, A decides to toy with him and asks "is this all you got"
>A beats B some more
>B goes crazy and defeats A
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dragonball was better. never had power levels. just five year old goku doing shit
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>>101677468
Look at Picollo's power level when he was charging it. It quadrupled from his original power level. I think Raditz simply didn't realize he and Goku could charge an attack up THAT much from their initial strength. Hell, look at all of Frieza's henchman who look at suppressed power levels and think that's all they got. With the exception of being severely weakened, my guess is that power levels tend to remain mostly stable and that spiking them through charging beam blasts or kaoken is rare among most alien fighters.
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Nobody remembers Bardock vs Dodoria's Elite where Bardock used his battle tactics to get the Elites to kill each other. He would have never been able to take them down otherwise since he had clearly a lower BP.
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The best fights in DBZ were Goku and Piccolo vs Radditz, Goku vs Vegeta, and Goku vs Vegeta in the Buu saga
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>>101674874
>I noticed this during the Boo Saga
took you that long to notice?
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>>101677234
>>101677269

Either of these two - but honestly, wouldn't everyone love Cell as one of the bros?
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>>101677759
>>101677468
Suppressing your power level was a technique in itself. It was something only students of Roshi could do then others eventually picked it up.
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>>101678120
It had the most random bullshit in comparision to Freeza and Cell

Everyone turning into candy and Boo's home plus Satan was pretty awesome
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what if DBZ had been done by another studio? what if gainax did DBZ? what if kyoani?
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>>101678166
Goku learnt that with Kami-Sama though.
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Only regret I have regarding DBZ is not ending it at the cell caga, and subsequently turning gohan into an absolute bitch.

They made him the strongest without any doubt, then made him study. Hell even when they made 'ultimate' gohan he got fucking eaten before he could do anything but glare at a pink sack of shit
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>>101678626

Well AT planned to have Gohan beat Boo until the fans cried 'BUT MUH GOKU', so he had him eaten.
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>>101678670

Also same with Gotenks, or even just Goten too beforehand, the demand was too high.
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>>101678670

His editor also decided on most things AT would do and refused lots of his ideas.
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>>101678715

Yeah, but it was mainly due to public demand that the editor did this - same with continuing the series twice.
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>>101674915
It ended after Goku vs Cell?

then they did never defeat Cell in the end?
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>>101675676
In the manga, Vegeta is the only one that interferes.
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>>101678626
>then made him study
Yeah, being consistent with all the characteriazation the character had, there's nothing wrong with this.
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>>101675025
>What disappoints me is how originally, Dragonball was a martial arts manga.
No, it fucking wasn't.

It was not a fucking Martial Arts manga.

It was a gag manga with a Martial Arts theme.

The first actual fight that wasn't just Goku curbstomping a nigga for comedic effect didn't happen until volume 2.

They defeat the villain of the first arc not by fighting, but by wishing for panties.

Dragonball did not start off as a Martial Arts manga.
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>>101679091
>actually understands Dragon Ball
>goes to /a/

weird
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Wait, this is a dude?

Fuck you /a/ I'm not gay
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>>101679157
Reading Bakuman helps you understand manga a lot more than people give it credit, at least until Mashiro and Takagi get popular.
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>>101678776
That much is still bullshit. Toriyama has said over and over again that the only time he actually planned on ending the series was after the first arc of Dragonball.
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>>101679246
Yea but it makes sense in my head and that's all that matters.
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>>101678337
>Kyoani

I'd watch it. Surely it'd be better than the majority of Namek and the Garlic Jr sagas.
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>>101678626
>and subsequently turning gohan into an absolute bitch
In my perfect DBZ headcanon Gohan becomes the MC, Goku stays dead, and the Ultimate Power shit with the old Kami doesn't stop 10 minutes before it ends because fuck that
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Why do people complain about Namek?

I found it enjoyable throughout, and it took 67 episodes from the start of the trip to the return to Earth, compared to the 86 the androids and Cell did.
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>>101679280
Nope, what a faggot wants doesn't matter at all
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>>101677579
>5 year old
Wasn't he like 12 when the series started?
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>>101682066
He gave the wrong age to bulma because he didn't know how to count. Though that was probably just an excuse to age him up.
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>>101679389
Headcanon is about filling in blanks, extrapolating and interpreting canon material, not about redoing it.
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The best fight in all dragon ball is Goku vs Ma Jr. Is just too perfect. Other fights are good, but none of them felt so satisfying as that fight.
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>>101676117
Here is the times Toriyama wanted to finish Dragonball:

>Pilaff Saga
>Piccolo Saga
>Frieza Saga
>Cell Saga
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>>101682066
>>101682735
He tells Bulma that he is 14 when they meet, but later finds out he is actual 12 and just couldn't count.
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>>101677147
Oozaru Vegeta was going to crush Goku until Yajirobe cut off Vegeta's tail
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>>101685960
Man, Yajirobe was fucking based.



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