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>Log Horizon 1 [BD+DVD] - 3600 copies

What? I thought this low budget shit was supposed to bomb and sell less than 1k.

The fuck.
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praise the lord, Japan has taste.
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>gov't funded anime selling over manabi line
Full adaption confirmed
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>>101655918
>3600
>any good
Ha. That's all sao's ripoff can do?
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>>101655975
RESIST IT
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2nd season next year for sure.
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>>101655878
I read it in his voice first
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>>101655975
HOHO
HOHO
HOHO
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>>101656020
THE BAIT IS PULLING ME IN
SHIT I CAN'T HOLD IT
I'M GONNA POOOOOST
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So this show is basically a less shitty version of SAO, right? Is it worth a watch?
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>>101656049

The good thing about government funded anime is much higher likelihood of extra seasons. If that's the price we pay for less fanservice, I'll take it.
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>>101655973
Why did the gov't fund this anime?
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>>101656213

If you want action and animation skill, not really.

If you like politics and a decent look at what such a situation would actually play out like, definately.
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>>101656269
To teach children about the database wow wow.
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>>101656020
I CANT!

>>101656213
Its a fun show.
also this >>101656272
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It's an NHK anime, it doesn't need sales. Phi Brain is on its third season despite selling less than 1K.
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>>101656269

To lead the gamers toward the raid leader role rather than the useless solo beater one.
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Maybe it didn't actually sell that much and it was just a database error
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>>101656355

How are both doing on ratings then?
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>>101656399
Maybe your counteraction is not rising enough.
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Hope it gets another season
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Who the fuck is this nigger and why is he all over /a/?
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>>101657034
Google it.
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It's because damedame is viral marketing it.
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It's thanks to all the glasses pushing. Everytime someone does it, someone preorders a copy
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>>101655975
But it's worse than SAO.
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>>101657515
But then shouldn't it have gone over the Monogatari line by now?
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>>101656108
This.
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>>101655918
Yes, shit taste
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What was he reacting to?
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In all honesty, SAO gives a much more credible shot at the theme "we MMO now". I'm, of course, not talking about the "hacking" and "I'm no kill yet" parts of the anime. Or the second part of the show, for that matter.

That said, the more I watch it, the less likely it seems to me that they really are in a game.
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>>101656049
Does this mean we'll get to see the other servers?
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>>101658693
Only when Log Horizon becomes a franchise.
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>>101658612
Anybody?
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>>101658612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TdQhtYfHZU
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>>101658836
That reaction is not in that video.

I know there are a hell of a lot of these videos by now too.
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Next thing you're going to tell me that SamFlam was a commercial success.
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>>101655878
I thought this was more mainstream that SAO, in Japan at least.

Surprised it's not doing better.
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>>101658795
At least the author had wrote side stories in China server.

It's about a Japanese again
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>>101659030
It's not edgy enough, but it seems like it has a following.
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>>101656213
It starts really slow but it's pretty fun to watch
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>>101658631
>credible
That's the biggest thing that SAO didn't have going for it. The whole show felt like a crummy generic fantasy packaged with the occasional mention of levels or skills. I mean, a listening skill? At that point, I was just like, "Are you fucking serious?"

The irony here is that even though LH is more of a fantasy show, it's better thought out, and the reasoning behind the world's mechanics (including the World Fraction silliness) are so much less contrived.
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>>101658631
>SAO gives a much more credible shot at the theme "we MMO now"

Shit, man...Shit.
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>>101659030
Why would this do better? No battles, no love, no service, etc. Only talk talk talk. That's the reason why SAO sold more.
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>>101659210
Magi is shittier than both and look how it's doing.

Quality seems secondary.
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>>101655878
Not that I have any issue with this, but source?
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>>101659392
Google it.
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>>101655975
SAO's ripping off TRON.
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>>101659392
gitgud at chinese cartoons already
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>>101659290
>Magi
>worse than SAO

Is this b8?
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>3600
Lel
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>>101655918
Praising as hard as I can.
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>>101655878
3600 copies only? How is this even supposed to cover the cost of production?
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>3600
rekt
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>>101659512
It's one DCD, not the entire series, and in Japan those cost an ass load.
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>>101659512
Government
Funded
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>>101659512
What are you blabbering about? It's already payed for by the Japanese tax payers. All this is extra.
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LH isn't great, but its not bad.

I dunno it's a new look at the MMO inspired Animes

Take it for what its worth and turn your brain off while watching.
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>>101659154
Well, don't get me wrong, I'll agree that SAO is no poster child either. Still, it's plot heavily relies on playing with the game's gameplay: completing quests, fetching loot, farming, unlocking skills, etc. Log Horizon does have a more logical world, but it's barely a game world anymore. At this point, it's pretty much "hey, guys, let's make a MMO world the reality". Outside of the fights themselves, it has nothing left of an MMO.
And, was it really a listening skill? I thought it was a perception-enhacing skill.

Well, to make it simpler: could a SAO MMO exist (outside of the toaster occulus rift thingamajigger)? Yeah. Could a Log Horizon MMO exist? Maybe if a hundred Tarn Adams worked together non-stop for twenty years, yeah.
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>>101659611
>>101659606
Ahhh, that makes sense then. I for one support Japanese tax dollars going towards my entertainment.
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>>101659703
You are a fucking idiot and a SAOfag.
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>>101659861
Sure thing, kid.
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>>101659703
>SAO
>plot relies heavily relies on playing, completing quest,fetching loot, farming, unlocking skil, etc
>only show them in 3-4 episode while the rest is just like couples doing things for couples.
sure mate
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>>101655878
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>>101659611
>>101659816
No wonder Japan has a trade deficit.
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>>101655878
quite a surprise to me, i though japan dont buy shows that doesnt pander to them?

>>101659449
>>101659530
well, the reason why SAO got so high sales because the show panders to the otaku through kirito being perfect and fanservice bait.(at least i didn't say that japan has shit taste)
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>>101659290
But Magi is the Evangelion of Avatar.
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>>101660019
Well, maybe I shouldn't have used "heavily", yeah, but it still does a heck of a lot more than LH.
>the rest is just like couples doing things for couples
Silica ep shows the reputation system, level differences' importance and loli pantsu.
Lizbeth ep shows a bit of crafting, shop-keeping and hand holding.
What are the other incriminated episodes?
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>>101659703
The only mention of quests in SAO was in the first two episodes then it was ignored.
It also only had the beat all the 100 floors and you are the higher level then anyone thats why you are strong.

Log Horizon has the need to reset quests up again since its a real world and you can't just ask an npc for them.

Also Log Horizon(Elder Tale) was made from the classic MMO's like everquest, which do exist still.
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>>101655878
Does Tyrone actually watch these videos like Rog does? Rog ended up commenting on the latest video, gracing us with his own amazing taste
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>>101655878
[jewing intensifies]
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Season 2 better have the OP done by Man with a Mission.
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>>101659703
Log Horizon isn't a game world anymore.

That's the point. It has a reason the resolution is now infinite, unlike SAO.
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>>101659703
It may seem like that to someone he has never played a MMO but Log Horizon actually has much more realistic MMO mechanics. SAO doesn't have classes. No mention of healers or tanks. An infinite amount of skills. No mention of MP. In fact the very fact it was possible to clear a MMO is laughable.
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>>101656269
to bring back tactics and politics into anime

in a form other than space operas
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>>101660360
Seriously?

I'm not sure if I could handle watching that... But I am curious.
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>>101660348
>The only mention of quests in SAO was in the first two episodes then it was ignored.
From memory, there's the christmas quest, the pet-reviving item quest, the dragon shit quest, the fishing quest, the whatever quest that requires you to go through the rape canyon, and some others I can't remember.
>It also only had the beat all the 100 floors and you are the higher level then anyone thats why you are strong.
What the fuck does that even mean?

And your point about quests in LH is correct, and that's why it's not credible as an MMO at all. Most of the MMO gameplay is being bypassed by the players, think about the possibility to craft shit the devs would never been able to figure out, and the fact that killing boars in a kitchen drops more because wakarimasen lol. I'm almost sure they aren't in the game anymore at all.
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>>101660677
he commented, basically calling himself amazing. His youtube channel appears to be legitimate, too.
>It is me, the almighty RoG, now get down on your knees and pray to the RoG overlord mofo :)) lol glad to be part of all this, having a great time and at the same time paying for my daughters' uni fees to boot - what a great time to be alive, some random mofos can send me a script of whatever they want me to say, I whip up a video and voila! business transaction complete !!! BAM! just like that!

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs-q44xFz6OcZGggLZmsd1A
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>>101660811
At least he's more amused by it than bemused.

That's probably the right attitude to have.
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>>101660614
Yeah, but then keeping the stats and MMO interface is pretty gimmicky. That's what bothers me.

>>101660617
Final Fantasy XIV doesn't really have classes per say either. Characters still specialize. I'm pretty sure the black guy is a tank and the loli a healer, at least by choice of competences.
>An infinite amount of skills
Same goes for LH, afaik.
>No mention of MP
Fitting, considering everything relies on melee weapons (hence the name).
>the very fact it was possible to clear a MMO is laughable
Well, that's new but considering the situation, it's logical to set a goal.
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>>101655918
>>101655975

Right now LogH is on the same level as SAO.
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>>101660707
>and that's why it's not credible as an MMO at all
I think it is heavily implied that they aren't in a game anymore and that's why everything seems to work better if they do not use the menu that was mean to be used for that particular thing. I believe the boar stuff was more that the chefs actually butcher them and not "kill" them by the games means. Same for crafting and cooking. Things you can't do through the menu can be done by hand because people can do shit by hand.
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>>101656269
It's the most educational anime in years.
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>>101661236
LH>SAO

With that ID out of the way, I wish they'd just get rid of the stats so you can cook normally without saying you're a "chef".

I think I heard that the remaining game world elements begin to fade more later though.
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>>101661345
Well normal people can cook salads in Volume 6 when before they couldn't.
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>>101661236
Yeah, but as I said here:>>101660966 ; that makes the MMO interface and shit appear kinda gimmicky, like the people making this aren't sure themselves about what they want to do. If this is reality, why classes and level limitations and shit? If this is a game, how the fuck does all of that even make sense?
Let's hope they can make all of this at least kinda make sense in the end.
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>>101660707
I meant that the main times levels or skills are mentioned is that when MC is higher level then raid bosses and oh wow a new dual wielding skill.


Also you are retarded since you cannot understand the point of Log Horizon, it was a key board and mouse game, but now that it is there real world they can mess with the system and make things from hand.

Also they knocked out all the boars so the Chefs could carve them up for more meat, since that is a skill only Chefs have.
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>>101659628
If I turned it off, I wouldn't get a shit. This is too complex for common anime watchers
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>>101660617
>An infinite amount of skills.
When was it ever implied there were infinite amount of skills? Every weapon style obviously had a limited skillset. The whole dual wieding issue was simply that in the beta it wasn't available and due to the nature of the game nobody thought to try it out. Also it might've had really high level requirements to be able to learn the dw style.

>>101660617
>but Log Horizon actually has much more realistic MMO mechanics
While this is true, I think SAO had a very nice vision of what a new type of MMO could be like. The idea is very unique but still seems to work as a game. Sure, not having spells/casters is a bit weird for an mmo but there's a lot of intresting ideas that I could see someone someday using in a real MMO. While Elder Tale is more of a traditional one.

Shit, SAO could've been such a great show if it had taken a slower pace and focused more on the whole going up levels MMO shit rather than drama. But we can't have nice things can we?
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>>101659628
>turn your brain off while watching.
Why? Witha ll the politics and world building thats going on not too mention the strategy,you sorta need to think a little
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>>101661482
>I meant that the main times levels or skills are mentioned is that when MC is higher level then raid bosses
Nah, when he fights single-handedly that red guild (Mary Sue, here we come), they talk about it a lot. Also, when they talk about equipments.
Same as LH, for that matter.

>and oh wow a new dual wielding skill.
That's retarded, all agree.

>Also you are retarded
>namecalling
Oh boy, here we go.
>you cannot understand the point of Log Horizon, it was a key board and mouse game, but now that it is there real world they can mess with the system and make things from hand
As I already said three times, the people making this seem like they don't know what they're doing. If that's reality, why levels, classes, MMO interface and shit? If that's still a game, then how the fuck could all of that even work?

>Also they knocked out all the boars so the Chefs could carve them up for more meat, since that is a skill only Chefs have.
Fair point, but then why didn't Nyan-sensei come and dice these fuckers? Much more time-efficient than capturing the boars.
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>>101661482
The meat thing is actually because corpses actually don't fade after some time, anime fucked that up to keep it kid friendly
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>>101661151
Stop. Stop calling it LogH. You confuse me every time.
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>>101661742
>The whole dual wieding issue was simply that in the beta it wasn't available and due to the nature of the game nobody thought to try it out. Also it might've had really high level requirements to be able to learn the dw style.

Did you really watch it? Dual blades is a unique skill given only to Kirito
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>>101661790
>If that's still a game, then how the fuck could all of that even work?
I thought that all the menus and the game related shit could be leftovers from the fact that they moved to the world through their virtual interfaces. Something that shouldn't be there but won't go away.
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>>101661742
>When was it ever implied there were infinite amount of skills? Every weapon style obviously had a limited skillset. The whole dual wieding issue was simply that in the beta it wasn't available and due to the nature of the game nobody thought to try it out. Also it might've had really high level requirements to be able to learn the dw style.

The SAO system allowed you to equip a number of skills. You had a limited amount of skill slots, however. At around level 96, (Kirito) there are 12 available to you. You start off with 2, if I remember.
You could unlock skills through quests, or sometimes through training certain weapons (Curved Sword had a chance of unlocking Katana, like Klein) These were known as Extra Skills.
That all being said,Dual Wielding was a UNIQUE SKILL, that only Kirito had access to, as the system gave it to him for "having the fastest reflexes".
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>>101661878

How the fuck did I not see this... I've been calling it that this entire time.
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>>101661790

>As I already said three times, the people making this seem like they don't know what they're doing. If that's reality, why levels, classes, MMO interface and shit? If that's still a game, then how the fuck could all of that even work?

Because that is how the world works for them, landers have levels and classes too.


>Fair point, but then why didn't Nyan-sensei come and dice these fuckers? Much more time-efficient than capturing the boars.
Because you want the Chef to waste time running around the fields killing when you want him to cook as much as he can, and have other people bring in the monsters for him to cut up.
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>there are people on /a/ RIGHT NOW who legitimately think SAO is better than LH
>there are people on /a/ RIGHT NOW who defend lowest common denominator pandering, self-insert bullshit, teenage angst dream fulfilling clusterfucks of the worst kind
Man, fuck you all.
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>>101662001
>Because that is how the world works for them, landers have levels and classes too.
So, basically, you're telling me it works because it works? Thanks, didn't think of that one. Face it: it doesn't work as either a reality or a simulation.

>Because you want the Chef to waste time running around the fields killing when you want him to cook as much as he can, and have other people bring in the monsters for him to cut up.
He had trained guys, and without ingredients you can't cook either.
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>>101662100

SAO is to LH what the Tolkien books are to Narnia, and you need to accept that
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>>101662100
You didn't read anything, did you?
Nowhere did anyone say SAO was better than LH.

Kill and fuck yourself, in whichever order you prefer.
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>>101662130
It's magic. That's really what the whole show is.
Yes, it hugs the idea of being stuck in an MMO, but they're not stuck inside the game via technology.
They're stuck inside via MAGIC.
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>>101662233
>implying Tolkien is better than Narnia
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>>101662130
>He had trained guys, and without ingredients you can't cook either.
Yes but why send out the MAIN cook when you can send out other players who cannot cook, to get the monsters for you?

Also they got pulled into a world that works that way, but reality is bleeding through so bad things start happening.
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Now if we'd only get anime set in a fantasy world without all this ET EEES EN EMEMO bullshit.
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>>101662203
>It's magic.
Here we go.
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>>101662262

it is
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>>101662322
It surely isn't technology
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>>101656269
The government also funded Strike Wtiches
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>>101662298
That I can agree with. Send at least one cook to dice the fuckers up.

And "it's magic, I don't have to explain shit" is kind of a shallow explanation for everything that's happening there.

>>101662364
That's my point, yes.
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>>101662386
Wait, what? This I didn't know.
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>>101662364
Sufficiently advanced technology?
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>>101662439
The plot is set 5 years in the future and games where still point and click, I don't think it can get advanced enough to take a bunch of people who logged at midnight into the game world
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>>101662416
You don't understand the point they needed all the staff they could have cooking, while having non chefs bringing the monsters to them.
How is that harder then one chef wasting 90% of his time only to carve up the monster at the end.


And the story is not about how they got there its about how to live in the new world.
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>>101662439
>We have recreated the world at a 1:2 scale and we have made everything interactive in the same way as it would be in the real world, and created a truly human AI.
>Also, no lag to be seen yet and that's some 4K shit right there, son.
Sufficient wouldn't be sufficient.
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>>101662541
Well, we don't have either sufficiently advanced technology or magic come to that.

So did aliens do it? Why would Wizards do it?
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>>101662416
>And "it's magic, I don't have to explain shit" is kind of a shallow explanation for everything that's happening there.
It hasn't been explained yet. It might be explained later, but for now the main characters are dealing more with keeping the world nice enough to live in than with getting info and going back. Shiroe is doing that research on his free time, which is almost null
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>2014
>still comparing LH to SAO
One is about someone being an adult and working with others to bring about a lawful democracy, the other is about a Dark sword master, wearing Dark clothes, being Darkly misunderstood, being a lone ranger on a Dark adventure, and fighting the Dark admin.

LH might not be hot-bloodedly exciting, but at least it isn't so Dark I could almost hear "HOWLING in the shadows" in the background.
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>>101662605
>Why would Wizards do it?
FOR SCIENCE
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>>101662650
>is about a Dark sword master, wearing Dark clothes, being Darkly misunderstood, being a lone ranger on a Dark adventure, and fighting the Dark admin.
This is probably the best TLDR version of SAO I've read.
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>>101662605
>>101662653
Alien Wizards, coming to Earth to teach humanity how to use Magic?
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>>101662650
I'm surprised that you accurately described the 3 main arcs
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>>101662364
The setting is just taking an MMO an making it real. It's not magic or some DIVE technology unless Mamare decides to make it that. As of right now, it's just exploring the question, "What if my favorite MMO became my real life," without the stupid OH NO IF I DIE IN THE GAME I DIE IN REAL LIFE shit. There doesn't need to be some sort of method on how they all got there unless you're a faggot.
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>>101662650

So one is a political treatise by a self-insert, while the other one is an action-packed fantasy adventure full of drama, heroism, tragedy, and ultimate triumph featuring one of the greatest literary heroes of post-millennial LNs. I'm glad we agree.
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>>101662650
>lawful democracy
9 leaders that no one voted for.

>Dark sword master, wearing Dark clothes
what edgy teenager doesn't like black? (Though, we should be wondering why there aren't as many people in black

>being Darkly misunderstood
He was misunderstood? I mean, episode 2, sure, but that was intentional.
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>>101662547
>You don't understand the point they needed all the staff they could have cooking, while having non chefs bringing the monsters to them.
>How is that harder then one chef wasting 90% of his time only to carve up the monster at the end.
Capturing the mobs without killing them, putting them in cages, transporting them, etc. By simply dicing the mobs into drops, you save half the time at least.

>And the story is not about how they got there its about how to live in the new world.
So, you want me to just accept that "okay, they have been brought in a MMO but that's reality but that's still kinda an MMO"? Man, we don't even have the character's point of view on the situation. Like, what they were doing when they were transported? How was the game before? Who created it and how old is it? Shit, that's the basic facts, and, 18 episodes in, I still don't have them.

>>101662637
They don't even try to answer, that's the problem. I don't find that believable at all. Were anyone here there, that's the first thing we would mind.
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>>101662778
That's the fucking point. We don't need retarded infodumps from people who doesn't understand real science in order to make the setting for an mmo became real anime.

Said that, at least the techno blabber from SAO makes sense in Accel World, which is much better.
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>>101662814
Mamare's self-insert is the virgin hero from Maoyuu.
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>>101662778
>There doesn't need to be some sort of method on how they all got there unless you're a faggot.

i mean, the author said he'd tell how they got there...just in a later volume.
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>>101662859
>what edgy teenager doesn't like black? (Though, we should be wondering why there aren't as many people in black
Kirito was 17, he should have been out of the chuuni phase by then
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I'm unfamiliar with BD sales numbers. I take it 3600 is good news?
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>>101662996
>Kirito was 17
He was 14.
He was 16 when SAO ended.
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>>101662947
I'd really prefer it if he didn't, or that at least they can't go back to the REAL world once they figure it out.
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In the end shiroe wakes up in the sanatory, people moaning in the other rooms and the doctors checking on shiroe, saying "how did you feel? this time we used a more advanced antiepileptic medicine to treat you without any pain"

*shiroe starts to remember he was loved in some place*

>opening 1 starts playing
>livin in the database wowwoooow
>camera zooms out of shiroe's sanatory room to the outside of the universe and the screen goes black
>doctors start to scream
>why did this happened!??!
>is he okay? call the other doctors

Shiroe is now at a gardeny place, akihabara it is, Akatsuki asks what wrong and shiroe says

>nothing, Akatasuki, let's keep on adventuring!
>Welcome back! Shiroe!
*black screen*
END
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>>101663046

CRAAAAAAAAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
THEEEEEEEEEEESE WOOOOOOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAL
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>>101655878
Can't wait for major quality change in season 2
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>>101659210
Hey you know what? .Hack all it had was talk talk talk and that series sold more than SAO and LH combined.
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>>101662871
>Man, we don't even have the character's point of view on the situation. Like, what they were doing when they were transported? How was the game before? Who created it and how old is it? Shit, that's the basic facts, and, 18 episodes in, I still don't have them.
There will be some more info from before mmo life later, but most of it was cut from the anime.

I'm sure it was mentioned at least once that no one remembers anything else except that they were logging in the game for the new expansion.

Also, the age of the game was mentioned when Shiroe talked with the magic researcher.

For this is that you shouldn't turn your brain off when watching some anime
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>>101662871
>Capturing the mobs without killing them, putting them in cages, transporting them, etc. By simply dicing the mobs into drops, you save half the time at least.
Saves the non chefs a lot of work sure, but still they only had like 5 chefs so you would make about 20% less burgers if they send one of the chef away.
It was not even that hard for the people farming the monsters either, they were higher level, and higher level increases their strength making it easier to carry the boars back.


>They don't even try to answer, that's the problem. I don't find that believable at all. Were anyone here there, that's the first thing we would mind.
They do try to find the answer but there was no big bad guy appearing out of no where telling them anything, it happened suddenly which left most of the adventures depressed.
Shiroe also found out the answer which was, guess what, magic.
The type of magic that made monsters spawn, then created the adventures.
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>>101663046
That's terrible.
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>>101663129

.hack also had three or four games and a full feature movie
SAO will outsell .hack and surpass it in a few years - or even faster once it gets a Hollywood adaptation
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>>101663025
Really? My mistake then, I guess I took his age in Alicization
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>>101663186
>Hollywood adaptation of any Anime
Please no.
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>>101663017
It's not printing money like Madoka or Bakemonogatari but it's enough to make some cash for most anime. Also, this is a government funded anime, so every sale is a plus
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>>101663227
The first novel is basically a hollywood movie anyway.
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>>101663186
>Hollywood adaptation
you know what happened to Dragon Ball when it had a hollywood adaptation right? it is shit and the same will happen to SAO but normalfags will bite it so yeah it will sell.
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I'm only a few episodes in, so correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing that really bothers me about LH is how complacent they seem to be with the whole situation. No "Oh shit, how did I get here, where is my real body, does my mom/sister/cat know I'm gone, what about work/school, etc". Just "Oh, we're in an MMO now? That's cool I guess. Time to forget about real life". I'd at least expect panic from the younger characters but they don't seem to give a shit either. I mean, I like the show, but the characters don't act like real people at all. It's really surreal.
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>>101662416
>And "it's magic, I don't have to explain shit"

And "It's super high tech, I don't have to explain shit" is any better?
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>>101663129
.hack was also out for years and pumped out more shitty anime books shwag and terrible games.

SAO curb stomped them thoroughly and are on track to totally outsell the entire decades old and still being milked franchise in a matter of years.

SAO, which was written by a high school student on the internet for free.

How can a teenager, be so much better at this then people who've spent untold millions of dollars developing this stuff? I guess he has a better grasp of what the contemporary teen and shounen watcher wanted.
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>>101662859
>9 leaders that no one voted for.
Well if you held an election you would probably end up with the same people there, since members of a guild would obviously vote for their guild master, otherwise they wouldn't be on the guild in the first place. Exception being Shiroe.
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>>101663141
>There will be some more info from before mmo life later, but most of it was cut from the anime.
Shit man, it's the most basic shit that should be said in the first episode. Or at least, make the character think about going back to reality sometimes.
>Also, the age of the game was mentioned when Shiroe talked with the magic researcher.
In one sentence, yeah. I believe they said the beta opened twenty years ago, which is a fucking heck of a lot of time. Which made me curious about it. But, nope, let's not talk about that.
>For this is that you shouldn't turn your brain off when watching some anime
Dummy, that's because I left it turned on that this shit doesn't fly with me.

>>101663153
Let's drop the thing about cooks, even though I still think one cook serving as butcher would have made it much more efficient.

And from what the sage said, I assumed that was just part of the game's lore. The first event was apparently exclusively background story, explaining the apparition of mobs, but it could match the beginning of the game's development. The second was related to the opening of the beta-test. Thus, we can assume that the third "world class spell" could very well be provocated by some shit going down in the real world. They should have asked more shit from the sage if they really were curious about what's going on.
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>>101663476

Did you not watch the first episode? Anyone that wasn't already in a professionally organized guild went apeshit for the first month and the general morale of the city population was abysmal.
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>>101663545
No, because if it's high tech, you do have to explain shit, even if it's mainly science fiction.
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>>101663476
Most of the people there are losers in real life, I think it's more real to like it than to want to go back. Some people actually got depressed and tried to commit sudoku.
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>>101663564

Its a testament to the quality of Japanese writing. We are witnessing the next Tolkien of our time. Its a wonderful time to be alive.
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>this entire thread
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>>101663630
That goes as far as

>brain in a jar effect.

and then gets shunted aside as an "explanation"
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>>101663564
>SAO, which was written by a high school student on the internet for free.
He was a 28 year old, who had 0 writing experience, and was just interested in Light Novels. Up to that point, he had been a part of some doujinshi groups.
But yeah, he wrote the story on the internet for free, because it was too long for the contest he wanted it for.

>>101663569
Most of them sure. Not all though. Specifically the smaller guilds.
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>>101655975
SAO ripped off .hack//Infection
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>>101663702
And it would be lame, and it would be a good reason to consider the anime's plot unfinished.
Much like not even trying to give a reason.
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>>101663574
>Shit man, it's the most basic shit that should be said in the first episode. Or at least, make the character think about going back to reality sometimes.
Why the fuck would I want to know what did the characters do before playing? On the first episode it might make me drop it if nothing at all happened except for a fucking flashback.

Not even SAO did more than showing Kirito putting his Nervgear on.
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>>101663476
There were people like that. You had a whole city that ended up like that. However once given structure, stability, and a role to play, most people will calm down enough to either accept the apparent situation or work towards remedying it without freaking out.
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>>101663630
>because if it's high tech, you do have to explain shit
Yes, and SAO does such a wonderful job of doing that, huh? Specially the part where after being motionless forever they just get up, walk away, and Kirito even beats down and overpowers an adult man.
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>>101663750
SAO was originally written at about 2001-2002.

So no.

But the author does admit to taking some inspiration from American movies and novels.
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>>101663837
>American movies and novels.

Drawing inspiration from non-Japanese sources? Inconceivable.
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>>101663796
BECAUSE THOSE ARE CLUES ABOUT WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

>>101663810
I have to admit, you remember that show much more than I do. I forgot about the IRL fight.
Still, when he awakened, he wasn't running either, he had no more strengh than an old man.
And wasn't the guy he fought a nerd anyway?
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>>101663810
>Specially the part where after being motionless forever they just get up, walk away
Apparently the author says it's do to some kind of "EMS electrodes" or something.
https://twitter.com/kunori/status/256761915215339520

>overpowers an adult man.
An adult who from what we know, has never been in a fight in his life, and is basically a pansy (also,he's in a great deal of pain)

>>101663910
He even plays English games apparently.
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>>101663954
Even if he was a nerd there's something called muscle atrophy. Do you even know how fucked up your body would be if you didn't move for two years?
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>>101664050

And Kirito is depicted as a talented human being with superhuman reflexes. His body could take it.
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So really though
Is 3600 a lot?
Seems like a piss poor number honestly
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>>101664050
Still, the fight took place two weeks, if not more, after he got out. Sure, he couldn't be too strong, but he trained with his imouto too...

Also, you're avoiding the point that is that SAO's technological explanation holds water, while LH offers no explanation nor even the slightest hypothesis, which is what bothers me most. It's like they don't care at all. Really, because of that I can't get too much into it.
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>>101664050
There's something they can do with electrodes I think that stimulate muscle fibers. Something like that. I dk t think they're very efficient at this stage but they do prevent total muscle atrophy.
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>>101664160
Because he's a Horribly written character
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>>101664022
They more then likely keep the muscle from wasting by occasionally sending signals to the bodies muscles, or it's not completely controlling their bodies and some signals get through or are sent through to keep the muscles tense. Probably using isometric tension or self tension.
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>>101664177
>2 weeks
Two weeks isn't very much. But it was 3 months.
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>>101664177

Any hypothesis formed while in the ET world amounts to imaginative bullshit. SAO's world was detailed by the interference of the GM and what information he fed to the player base. The people stuck in the ET world are flying blind.
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>>101661965
>having the fastest reflexes
Was there any reason give that having a high reflex specifically gave duel wield skill.
Do reflexes have a big effect on whether or not you can duel wield? I mean I don't understand why someone else wouldn't bother trying to use two swords.
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>>101664259
Well, in three months I suppose he does have time to get back in shape, even moreso with his tryhard imouto.
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>>101664194
No, it's very effective. I had to use it to stimulate my leg in rehab once. Even bruce lee used it to increase muscle.

Bodybuilders and strength trainers use it as well. However, it does sting like a motherfucker.
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>>101664209

>implying Kirito is a horribly written character

You wouldn't shitpost if he had elf ears
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>>101664359
I didn't imply it, I said it directly.

Can you post outside of a shitposting format?
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>>101664383

You can say whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.
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>>101664300
Yes, I know that, but they have more knowledge than the spectator does about the technology available IRL at the time when the action takes place, so whatever they'd come up with would still be better than the nothing we have.
Doesn't it bother you that those people just saw their lives changing drastically in one hour and don't even think about it anymore? I mean, "Apocalypse" must have been used, like, eight times tops in the last fifteen episodes.
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>>101664315
The reason using two swords normally isn't practical, is Because then you have two weapons to focus on. You could probably do something like what Kuro in SAO Girls Ops does, where you use one sword to attack, and the other to defend, but that's no better than a shield.

To effectively use two swords, you typically need a good reaction time, in order to manage the movement of your swords.

>>101664336
Maybe. There's also the technology advances, in the 10 year gap, between now and then, so yeah.
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>>101664315
It doesn't help specifically with dual wield, but it makes you better than the others in general bacause it's easier to avoid and hit with better reflexes.

Kayaba mentioned that his plan was to have the dual wield user be the leader of the players after he betrayed them, so I guess he wanted to have the being nearer to be a superhuman to be the leader.

Fast reflexes and brain speed are a recurring theme in Reki's novels because they can break the game systems
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>>101664436
What are you talking about?

How do you function? How can someone so stupid operate a computer?

Are you dictating?

Why would your dictator allow such half-assed content onto the internet?

I want to speak to them; put them on.
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>>101664359
He really was a horrible character. He got no personality until Alicization, which isn't relevant because no one is talking about books here
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I dropped Log Horizon on the first episode when that girl used that item that changes her look. Don't regret it one bit.
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>>101664661
What was your thought process? How is that something to drop an anime over?
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>>101664611
Didn't he sort of have one in Phantom Bullet? Or was that Just Sinon's personality making me think Kirito had one?
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JAPAN CONFIRMED FOR OCCASIONAL GOOD TASTE

LIVING IN THE DATABASE WOW WOW
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>>101664611

>Kirito got no personality until Alicization
>Aragorn got no personality until Return of the King

I fail to see what the fucking problem is
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>>101664702
I think it was Sinon, he was the same bland harem MC for me there.
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>>101664767
I'm not talking about Tolkien books, and he wasn't the MC until Return of the King
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>>101664767
One is a character-based LN, one is an english fantasy epic about morals and philosophy.

Apples and oranges.
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>>101664471

I think you personally want to read about the lives of the adventurers that will eventually journey far enough into the ET world to discover the truth behind the mystery of THE DATABASE and find a way to return home, instead of tracking the lives of the people required to build the proper infrastructure and population centers required for the Adventurer civilization to progress to a point where that scenario can finally happen.
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>>101664869

We're talking about great literary characters from some of the greatest works of their countries of origin. The comparison is quite valid.
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>>101665025
>We're talking about great literary characters from some of the greatest works of their countries of origin.

Oh, so shitposting.
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>>101665025
I'm sorry. It sounds like you're saying SAO is one of Japan's greatest literary works, and that Kirito is one of the greatest characters, in said works.
I'm supposed to be laughing, right? I did
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>>101664929
No, I just have the normal reaction of the person confronted to this situation: I'm curious about what the fuck is going on. My point is that the characters completely ignoring that, while it's a crucial point, make it all seem artificial. I'm sorry I want characters with the slightest bit of a logical behaviour.
You don't go from "wow, I just got transported in the game" to "okay, let's kill some mobs then maybe I'll go talk to this friend from a guild''.

Does no one else give enough of a fuck about what's happening here? Or are you all watching it with your brain unplugged?
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>>101664692
they get off in the potential tranny/gay stuff and are upset? Or that this makes it seem like every other person in that world could be the opposite sex and completely different beings?

I dunno.
The fact that they don't bring this up anymore or even talk or think about it kind of creeped me out a bit and I simply stopped thinking about it so I could hope to enjoy the show.
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>>101665241
Everyone thought about that, and they came up blank, because there simply is no information about what happened. What are they supposed to do? Do you want all of your questions answered immediately? Did you miss all of the players moping around for weeks because they had no idea what was going on?
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>>101665249
>MacBook
Nigga you serious? Even when you're stealing shit, at least try to steal something usable.
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SAO's author clearly didn't want to put in game mechanics or have any real technical details. That's because such details would prevent him from doing other plot situations because the details would contradict what the chars could do.

As was already seen, Asuna, Yui, and Kirito often did things that game mechanics didn't allow, but the reader was forced to accept it because the author very carefully made sure there were no game mechanics details available. In some cases, Asuna and Kirito both had to use their "willpower" to ignore game rules such as Asuna running at 60 Miles Per Hour thru forested wildnerness (no roads) for a sustained period of time of five minutes. If there had been some way the author could hide sizes of each level or have some other trick, he would have. But SAO is focused upon having a Mary Sue and Gary Stu main cast.

As for playing MMO or MMORPG by following actual game rules, SAO's author found the an easy game such as Ragnarok Online too difficult to play. With that kind of mindset, you can see why Asuna and Kirito had such large rewards for so little effort. The author had self-inserted and felt he deserved such rewards. Surely, there are plenty of gamers who felt the same way (entitlement gaming) so they really latched onto SAO. LH doesn't offer these huge rewards, and so has less appeal unless you appreciate the cerebral aspects of gaming.
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>>101665344
LE NIGGERS XDD LE ANONOMOUSE XDDD
>>>/b/
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>>101665372

>SAO's author clearly didn't want to put in game mechanics or have any real technical details.

Then why are SAO's game mechanics and technical details far more explained in depth than LH or even .hack? You just want excuses to deny SAO the praise it rightfully deserves.
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>>101665509
Alright, show me the detailed class pages and skill lists created for SAO.
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>>101665337
>Everyone thought about that, and they came up blank, because there simply is no information about what happened. What are they supposed to do? Do you want all of your questions answered immediately?
I didn't see them talking about it for more than a few sentences before changing topic, though.
I would find it normal and fitting that a strategist takes at least two or three minutes to think through what he knows. Even simply telling us about the game, why it was popular, who develops it, etc. This is shit the MC knows and that, thus, we should know. It's not that hard to explain either, but it makes it so much easier for the spectator to have a view on the situation without feeling like they are looking at a half-drawn picture.

>Did you miss all of the players moping around for weeks because they had no idea what was going on?
Ten seconds tops in the first or second episode. Talk about a setting.
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>>101656269
To teach today's youth how great MMOs are to stimulate the country's economy. I wonder how they expect to cope with the sudden wave of depression when everyone realizes that MMOs are shit.
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>>101665488
You're worse than him. Kill yourself.
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>>101665488
Well, here's hoping at least one mod is still awake.
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>>101665553
>I didn't see them talking about it for more than a few sentences before changing topic, though.
What would they talk about? How they know absolutely nothing about what's happening?

They explain a hint, later.

>I would find it normal and fitting that a strategist takes at least two or three minutes to think through what he knows. Even simply telling us about the game, why it was popular, who develops it, etc. This is shit the MC knows and that, thus, we should know. It's not that hard to explain either, but it makes it so much easier for the spectator to have a view on the situation without feeling like they are looking at a half-drawn picture.

Huh? All of this is explained early on.

>Ten seconds tops in the first or second episode. Talk about a setting.
By ten seconds, you mean a constant presence throughout the first two story arcs, right?
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I can't wait for Mamare to show up again. He might at least be happy to see a NHK show selling this much.
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>>101660464
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>>101665607
you can fuck off any time. He posted some off topic /b/ shit and i responded accordingly you retarded fuck
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>>101663630
SAO tried that, and all it got was a REALLY STUPID helmet that anybody with even cursory understanding of microwaves could find a way to remove or disable. And an even stupider sequel where people are still eagerly buying the same technology IMMEDIATELY AFTER with no backlash whatsoever just because they are told the product is now safe.

When dealing with something that just can't happen or there isn't any semi-believable theoretical technology to grip onto, the best thing to do is provide something undefined just to make sure the reader understands this is simply a black box issue for the sake of the narrative. That's why .hack// goes for "It's some sound wave thing" and leaves it at that. All SAO accomplished with its attempts at realism was posit some really stupid problems and show how little the author understood of the logistics involved in moving so many thousand fucking people into intensive care units throughout the country in two fucking hours. You want to talk realism? The game should have been populated by a hundred or so guys at absolute best, since everyone else would have died when their allotted time for moving ran out way too fucking fast and the hospitals ran out of room.
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>>101665600
Nice reaction image, /v/irgin.
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>>101665372
>SAO's author clearly didn't want to put in game mechanics or have any real technical details
What kind of technical details?

>Asuna, Yui, and Kirito often did things that game mechanics didn't allow,
Yui is an AI with GM privileges.
And Willpower is a large thing about what the author writes.

>Asuna running at 60 Miles Per Hour thru forested wildnerness
That wasn't glossed over either. Kirito pointed out that was impossible. This is just the author's Willpower gimick.

>Asuna and Kirito had such large rewards for so little effort
when?

>>101665548
Author didn't make spread-sheets. he explained it all within the story. (with few exceptions,)
SAO doesn't have a class system, but there are a large number of Skills. Looking at the SAO wiki, I count.. about 60 that we know about.
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>>101665682
I would be curious about Kawahara visiting. He at least knows english...
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>>101665762
>Fighting Sauron
>In Japan
They're fighting Sauron in Hogwarts in Europe, idiot.
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>>101662650
>lawful democracy
>democracy

I'll have to agree with you on SAO though. Why anyone would sit through this fanfiction.net-tier garbage of a show is beyond me
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>>101665749
>And Willpower is a large thing about what the author writes.

Still doesn't make it have any fucking sense. The enemy for half of .hack// is an entity that is basically the game itself, and they still adhere to the game's rules more than anybody in SAO.
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>>101665749
>Author can break his own rules whenever he wants because willpower
He calls it "willpower", I call it "Asspull".
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>>101665751
Sao threads are completely empty and barren these days of obvious reasons. You should change that image to reflect that.
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>>101665762
Because they'd have to take the griffons first
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>>101665814

>Japan is the only country that matters
>Middle Earth is the only continent that matters

Middle Earth is Japan, moron
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>>101656565
I wasn't ready for that punchline.
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>>101665889
>Middle Earth
>Mattering while America is a thing
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>>101665660
I have the feeling I'm talking to someone who read the LN. Am I wrong?
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>>101665762
Because of the Titans.
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>>101665935
No, I haven't read the LN. I watched the anime, and only the anime.
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>>101665861
The point of a lot in SAO is transcending the limitations imposed by a system.
Like how some people who played SAO ended up gaining a 6th sense, and knowing when someone who you can't see is about to snipe you, and side-stepping their bullet.
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>>101666046

This. SAO is a revolutionary work like the Matrix movies. How it blows peoples minds away with its imaginative universe is a testament to its greatness.
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>>101666046
>The point of a lot in SAO is transcending the limitations imposed by a system.

You're not listening: it's still fucking stupid. How can they transcend the system? Magic? It's just fucking magic? Then come out ans say it. Just don't do that yet also pretend the world has any internal consistency.
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>>101665241
>person confronted to this situation
>my point is that the characters completely ignoring that.
>while it's a crucial point, make it all seem artificial.

SPEAK ENGLISH

Are these random sentences pasted together from different places? They don't flow together at all.

you need to re-read things before you submit them Anon.
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>>101665996
Well then, I have no other information about the game than "it's a twenty years old MMO the MC started playing eight years ago". Is there more somewhere in the anime?
And when you're talking about the "two first arcs", what are you referring to? The fact that people are sad because notaste? I understand how that's a little thing that says a lot, but still, there have been no drastic actions taken. I mean, some people should have gone crazy and done some notable shit, right? Everyone just sitting there thinking "that's not cool" seems a bit underwhelming for that kind of situation.
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>>101666123

The story of SAO is a testament to the power of the human will. Its like you hate great dramas.
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>>101666169
Oh damn. Sorry, I guess I'm a bit tired. Yeah, I kept on re-writing the sentences, which explains why they're so messy. I'm gonna get some sleep.
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>>101666169
Maybe it is copy and pasted from previous threads to troll people. He's talking about SAO after all.
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>>101663837
>SAO was originally written at about 2001-2002
>Original run: 2009 - ongoing
Want to try again, anon?
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>>101666183
> I mean, some people should have gone crazy and done some notable shit, right?
Of course they did, they Formed an effective government, making their group of dejected players into a powerful city-state.
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>>101666097
I was thinking of mentioning the matrix in my post... The author said that he drew some inspiration from American movies, sooo...

>>101666123
How is it not consistent? It's touched on more later (and I'm pretty sure someone who's watched/read Accel World would know more about it) but it's not something only the MC can do. In Alicization, Elite Knights learned how to practice this, and basically have the fucking force.

It's not "magic". Though, you could probably interpret it as a glitch in VR tech.

>>101666265
SAO was a Web Novel in 2002. It's publication began in 2009.
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How can I hire the man in the OP to make videos about shit?
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>>101666097
>>101666225
wow, i didn't know people who treat SAO as a groundbreaking show exist here in /a/.
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>>101666225
>The story of SAO is a testament to the power of the human will.

So "fucking magic"? In other words, the setting has no internal consistency whatsoever because its rules can at any point be smashed by shonen tripe willpower at the writer's convenience.

The other shithead made the Matrix comparison, and that's actually a good one, because the mystical destiny Superman shit Neo could do just turned out to be nothing more than higher user privileges accorded to him because "The One" was nothing more than another cog in the system. Even that is better explained than SAO.
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Many people actually like having Mary Stu or Gary Stu chars. It was explained elsewhere, but the gist of what they said was having Mary Sue chars allowed bigger and more fun things to occur without being limited. So the reader (or viewer) and experience more and bigger things. The rest of their post dealt with how entertainment was the important thing because these products were never meant to be pulitzer prize material.

So, if you know it was not meant to be pulitzer price material, then SAO is perfectly fine and logical.
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>sao viewer
MMO player thats only plays it for the shit gameplay ie some modern f2p korean game

>lh viewer
Some nerd who's autistic enough to play through an MMO with deep lore and guild politics and drama
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>>101655878
Only in Japan can 3600 copies of a fucking BD be considered a success. Jesus christ. Call of duty sells like 50 mil minimum each sequel.
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>>101666243
Nah. I just marathoned LH, actually, so it's my first time in one of those threads. I knew I would be derailing the thread a bit when I started the comparison with SAO, but I didn't expect it to go so far. Of course it's better than SAO, I never said otherwise, but "wakarimasen lol" still seems like a weak explanation for me. Anyway, sleep now.

>>101666284
You'll note that, with all of the big guys from the guilds assembled, they never even bothered talking about the Apocalypse either. It's like it happened twenty years ago.
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>>101666265
I think he wrote it when he was younger just for the sake of writing and never considered getting it published.
Even so, first .Hack was 2002, so saying it's not inspired by it is worth calling BS.
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>>101666372
>It's not "magic".
That is the extent of the explanation given.

>Though, you could probably interpret it as a glitch in VR tech.

And what causes said glitch? So you're saying it's no inspirational bullshit, just the tech being shitty? And this causes the game's rules to fizzle whenever someone believes really hard in themselves?
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>>101666492
There's not really anything to talk about. No one knows anything, and no one is going to casually release information of that magnitude.
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>>101666449
No, fuck you and the horse your rode in. Having an awesome main character and a fucking Mary Sue aren't the same thing. You can still have a guy who succeeds and is fun to follow without making them such a transparent wish fulfillment tripe.
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>>101666556
I just want them to acknowledge that some shit went down insted of acting like it happened a hundred years ago. Is that too much to ask?
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>>101666183
There were drastic actions taken; obviously people tested the death system, PKs/slavers, etc. This was definitely in the first few episodes and bluntly thrust in your face. Seriously, if you marathoned LH, how could you have missed it? If the PK encounter wasn't enough, they included the Serara situation to emphasize it.

The creation of order was basically in response to this.
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>>101666461
Let me interrupt you for a moment with my blog.
I don't like MMOs, they are boring as fuck. But I still like LH for the same reason I like Maou Yuusha.
That's why most of volume 5 is pretty boring. Fucking girl problems
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>>101666608
Proof: Golgo, Akagi, Onizuka
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In the light novels, Kirito was so good that he was able to solve quests for which no quest solutions had even been coded by the game company. That was his level of hax skill accomplished while wearing black of course.
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>>101666535
Eh, I see your point.
For Alicization, or Accel World it sort of makes sense, considering the systems used there, rely on an individuals memories and will to function to begin with. (and that's how the author explains it, in those two cases.)
Unless the author somehow explains why it happens in other VR games, it's not really justifiable. It's just "something that happens in the universe".
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>>101666656
Yeah, people kept on PKing on the grounds that "this is a game anyway", no changes here.
Nobody "tested" the death system either: the first one to die was one guy who got his shit wrecked by mobs.

Those people kept on doing their business, as usual.
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>>101666231
>2014
>being tired.
>not living in the database.
>your addiction to the world not still spreading.

>>101666490
But CoD is getting progressively worse, and the market is over-saturated.
Not to mention the InfinityWard fags paying money for the flop CoD is every second year.
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>>101666695
>solve quests for which no quest solutions had even been coded
It happened one time (and it was in the Anime too.)
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Why did Kawahara even bother making this an MMO story? Why couldn't he just have made a straight-as-a-rail fantasy story instead?
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>>101666817
>2032-18
>liking a shitty RAtM nip ripoff coupled with J "same-shit-as-usual" Rock
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>>101666695
>while wearing black of course.
Why the fuck did shows like SAO have to go and ruin black? It feels like there's such a huge stigma against it that you can't even have something like a character who wears a black cloak because he lives in a cold environment and darker colors absorb heat more than lighter ones.
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>>101666665
You like politics and trade. Macromanagement and shit.
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>>101666963
Black isn't ruined. It's just that Kirito fits like a glove onto the "Black long-coated, socially aloof chuuni 9th grader, who is amazing at games and is sooooo coool (In his head)".
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dear LH wizards and wise men.
in the op there is a scene with Shiroe checking an option from his friends menu, followed by the screen being covered by messages (names?) and then red "cancel" signs appearing next to the text.
this is near the end of the OP.
anyway, is this Shiroe banning players from his territory, aka either the guild hall or akihabara itself?
I'm intrigued.
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>>101666892
My guess is that he likes technology and games, so yeah.
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>that OP spoiling most of half of the shit happening
We know, Rudy. We've seen it 18 times. You can let it go, now.
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>>101667078
I didn't catch it until I got spoiled. I'm terrible at catching stuff like that.
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>>101667031
Exactly 15 seconds before the OPs end.
It looks like he's interacting with some kind of UI map.
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>>101665241
>Does no one else give enough of a fuck about what's happening here? Or are you all watching it with your brain unplugged?

You're trapped inside a box. One day, you wake up and the box is all different. Did someone move you from one box to another? Did the box change on it's own? Was the box always like this, and you just remember it wrong? Have you been driven insane, and just think the box looks different when it hasn't changed at all? It's literally, not metaphorically, impossible to know which if any of these are true without some means of objective external observation. It's an unavoidable result of the fundamentally constructivist nature of human perception. This is intuitively obvious to Shiroe, the other guild leaders, the other Adventurers, many of the Landers, and the entire audience of Japanese schoolchildren that this show is aimed towards.

See, the biggest difference between Log Horizon and SAO or even .Hack is that the world doesn't revolve around the adventurers. Shiroe et al. can't just sit on their asses and wax philosophical about the nature of their new world, there's other Adventurer factions trying to take advantage of the chaos, there's rumours that a faction of Landers want to go to war with the Adventurers, there's a goblin invasion force headed towards Akihabara through their neighbours; there is, in fact, a whole world out there that gives exactly zero shits about the Adventurers and their problems, so any 'investigation' has to come second to actual survival. And they do investigate, when opportunities arise. They worked out how the game system changed and what they could or couldn't do with it (which got them the Ocypete and decent food), they interrogated the Landers for information about the Apocalypse (which got them the World Fracture story and the mythological origin of Adventurers and Demihumans), and so on.
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>>101667187
Because she's Mamare's self-insert.
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>>101667031
It's the now non-functional logout button that's being shown there. I guess they spammed it all over the screen there for dramatic effect.
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>>101667187
Why is there a funnel on top of that bottle of apple juice?
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>>101667260
...
Why do you have to make me look there, and realize she's been pissing and shitting in bottles..?
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>>101666963
Fuck you black is ruined. Electric Batman wore that shit perfectly.
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>>101667260
>thinking she leaves the desk to use the bathroom
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>>101666814
You seem either dumb or intentionally dense. There were people who basically stopped functioning when they realized pretty quickly that there was no easy way to return. Others coped by doing whatever - pking is an easy alternative since they realized death wasn't final. However, you still ignore the fact that players went as far as they could go. Again, see Serara's situation. You don't know why the player died. Just that he died to monsters. He might have contemplated suicide but that's a non-issue. The first few moments of the show feature adventurers freaking out and trying to find out what was happening so your issue is addressed way before that. That's not business as usual.
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>>101666123
>You're not listening: it's still fucking stupid. How can they transcend the system? Magic? It's just fucking magic? Then come out ans say it. Just don't do that yet also pretend the world has any internal consistency.

I was under the impression that the VR system was more of a guided communal hallucination than a full VR simulation. The actual 'rendering' is done in your brain in a sort of dream-like state, and if you reject or imagine an action strongly enough the VR simulation will acquiese to maintain coherency between your dream-state and its relatively low-detail global state.

That's the impression I got from Accel World, at least; I've got no idea if it makes sense in the clusterfuck that is SAO.
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>>101667386
Wow wow!
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>>101666435
Explain how that sword faggot beat that other sword blade armed faggot at the end of that gay .hack anime.

He didn't beat him because of skill or any unique ability. He beat him because he's just a better person then him.
No seriously, that's exactly what went on.

You're fagging on about SAO because it's entertaining but handwaive the silliness that is inherent in these kinds of stories as being okay because it's not in this one story/anime you don't like.
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>>101667658

>comparing SAO's MMO-consistent mechanics with .hack's MMO-breaking mechanics

are you fucking kidding me
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>>101667658
But SAO is not entertaining. I would not hate it, besides for the fact that I went through every episode noticing constant, frequent, glaring plot holes that threw any chance of entertaining me out the window.

SAO is just as bad to watch as it is to talk about. If I enjoyed it despite it's flaws, I wouldn't hate it, dumbass. Yet, you are too stupid to notice such flaws in the first place. It is a trash anime.
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Where do spells/skills come from in LH? Lore wise, I mean.
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>>101667776
>But SAO is not entertaining

shit opinion is shit, and millions of fans worldwide agree with me
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>>101656272
>If you like politics and a decent look at what such a situation would actually play out like
Something LH doesn't have, right?
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>>101667487
that is an interesting premise for aspiring tech.
I wonder if during initial setup, Nervegear/ Amusphere would have to run a diagnostic check on your brain to determine synaptic connections relating to perception.

I wonder if it would work on people with Altered perception or neurological disorders & braindamage (ASDs, Synesthesia, Epilepsy), or if it would only work on people that fit certain criteria and brain functionality.
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I always love it when SAOfags bring up the "it's not an asspull because it's a recurring theme and an interesting gimmick of the author".
It's kinda like a twisted version of Hitler's quote: "If you repeat a big enough asspull and use it frequently enough, it will be logical and justifiable".
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>>101659703
/thread
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>>101667658
I never bothered with .hack roots but if you are talking about gu, then Ovan wanted to be beat. That was a pretty big point and caused everything to begin with. Not exactly how it happened in the game but it could explain the anime part at least. Actually, did roots even go that far or are you talking about one of the movies?
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this thread reeks of neo-/a/
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>>101667827
Not that guy, but saying your opinion is superior because millions of fans agree with you, or even mentioning the fact to support your claim is not only beyond retarded and illogical but also counter-productive consider you are in /a/, an elitist board that hates the general opinion.
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>>101667927
You reek of neo-/a/
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>>101667827
>millions of fans worldwide

>Argumentum Ad Populum
Millions of fans worldwide love smoking weed, watching naruto, and engaging in buttsex.
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>>101659703

Anyone who agrees with this post is a fucking post-WoW newfaggot. There is nothing that boils my blood more than "b-but this isn't really MMO gameplay". Fuck you noobs we had this shit and more in the days of UO and DAoC and SWG and AC and SB. These are the the games that were true to the original vision of immersive MMORPG game worlds.

And when LH gives you a mere taste of what it was like 15 years ago, you all throw up your hands and go "nope MMOs aren't like that at all" and cancerous babies like you are the reason why.
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>>101667856

There was the whole calibration step where you have to feel up your body, which the author used to explain why people looked like their IRL characters. SAO never really dealt with mental or even physical disability as far as I remember, which is odd because you'd think that would be one of the first applications of full-immersion VR tech.
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>>101665554
I wouldn't call ET a good MMO. The classes are imba as fuck.
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>>101667951
true to a point but claiming something is not entertianing, because you dont like it is wrong.

/a/ is gonna one day realize that, popularity means at a fundamental level that people find something to be "good"

i like both sao and lh though so i guess i have shit taste. *shrugs*
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>>101668085
To be fair, there was never an MMO with a balanced class.

Someone would always find a way to break the system.
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>>101668051
>SAO never really dealt with mental or even physical disability as far as I remember
Mother's Rossario
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>>101667951
true to a point but claiming something is not entertaining, because you dont like it is wrong.

/a/ is gonna one day realize that, popularity means at a fundamental level that people find something to be "good"

i like both sao and lh though so i guess i have shit taste. *shrugs*
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>>101668105
Why would I care about millions of fans, when they are fans of anime, and fans of anime have regularly proven themselves to be absolute casuals. They know nothing about what they claim to like. They know nothing, in general. They do nothing but say "KIRITO IS SO COOOL" and "ASUNAS SO HOT XD", and you want ME to take those retards as consensus?

Also, get the hell out of here.
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>>101668105
>*shrugs*
This isn't Gaia.
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>>101668085

>some classes are better at certain things than other classes
>OMG CLASSES IMBA PLZ NERF

go back to wow cata
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>>101668051
First of all, the players using their brain/simulation taking place in their brain shit is a fan theory to solve the gaping plot holes. It's nice, it makes sense, but that was absolutely not what the author was even thinking or going for.

Additionally, after the GGO arc, there's a girl with AIDS who is faster than Kirito at sword-fitan'. She dies later on but played extensive hours of VRMMO's due to her hospitalization, along with a variety of other injured/ill players who used the tech as an escape.

The first two arcs of SAO are horribly fucking terrible, but I can still admit I can agree that the 3rd and 4th are good. Mostly because in GGO it just accepts how retarded it is right from the start.
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>>101668222
Oh look, a frost mage.
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>>101667827

agreeing with >>101667951
Not to mention, that if you deem it superior to something with a significantly larger fanbase, on the premise that your fanbase is larger, you are LITERALLY incorrect, and your opinion continues to be unjustified.

That being said, both series cater to different target audiences of similar age groups, with the overwhelming popularity of one franchise casting a shadow over any other franchise with remotely similar themes.

They are completely different shows that comparisons should not be drawn between in any circumstance.

And by the logic of any individual who would draw a comparison between .Hack, SAO and Log Horizon, every videogame or anime series that was not genre defining is a blatant ripoff.

It's basically saying that every CoD game is a blatant DOOM ripoff, or that every animated show ever is a blatant reiteration of "Steamboat Mickey"

Basically
get fucked, everyone
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>>101667927
Only people who have only been around for a few years say that.
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>>101668237
Ignoring that first bit being a retarded.
the rest is 100% legitimate.
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>>101668105
>>101668165
True to an extent, but you also have to realize that entertainment is as subjective as the concept of "good" and "bad", so his claim that it was not entertaining is valid, taken as an opinion. If anything you could take it as an objective statement, but if that were so the correct reply would be to use arguments and not calling out flaws in the other's.
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>>101668237
Fuck you and your Doom knockoffs and Steamboat Mickey rehashes.
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>>101668129
Not really. There is imbalance, but it takes a major fuckup by the developer for someone to be able to "break" balance.

Also with internat and PCs improving MMO gameplay is trending more toward action- and skill-based gameplay the margin for balance is becoming larger. It's a lot easier to break the game in a traditional cooldown/resource management simulator MMO.
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Why are there so many SAO trolls here? And SAOfags say LHfags are the one that invade their thread. Hypocrites
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>>101668223
>girl with AIDS

So she had Generic Moe Disease, not an actual mental or physical disorder like epilepsy, ASD, deafness/blindness, or CPIA (now that would be interesting).
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>>101668367
Not disagreeing, but is LH set in the future?
The fact that they are playing in normal computers with shit graphics could mean that they it is set in the past or something. I remember ET existed for over 20 years in the LH universe, that being said ET would lean more towards the old exploitable cooldown/resource management MMO.
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>>101663837
>But the author does admit to taking some inspiration from American movies and novels.

No wonder it's complete and utter shit.
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>>101668404
>And SAOfags say LHfags are the one that invade their thread

I guess you could say it's a counteraction
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>>101668467
No. Real AIDS she got from transfusion her mother got when she was a baby.
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>>101668566
She also got it when she was servicing niggers. With her ass.
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>>101668404
Its a persecution complex.

>Bawww everyone hates my favorite show because its popular and has a cool MC, and not because its full of plotholes and is predictably cliche as fuck.
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>>101668566

>Real AIDS

Huh. And how does that affect her character? Given that it's an autoimmune disorder and not a physical or mental disability, she should be pretty much no different from any other member of Kirito's harem, except for the fact that he can't give her the D (unless willpower can cure AIDS too).
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>>101660294
>Well, maybe I shouldn't have used "heavily", yeah, but it still does a heck of a lot more than LH.

What? LH is way more focused on gameplay and the skills than SAO, its mentioned or explained nearly every episode. Are you even watching it?
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>>101662650
the other is about a Dark sword master, wearing Dark clothes, being Darkly misunderstood, being a lone ranger on a Dark adventure, and fighting the Dark admin.
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>>101668717
The thing is she got it while she was in a womb. So this fucked up her body's development. This means she is in constant paint. They use super-powered nervegear to block that pain and make her enjoy the world at the same time.
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>>101668811
Why couldn't she just willpower the disease away?
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>>101668811
>This means she is in constant paint.

Couldn't transfer her to .PSD?
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>>101668811
>constant paint
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Log Horizon = Original political / action intrigue story

SAO = The adventures of Drizzt Do'Urden in MMO-land.

Which is an insult really. At least Drizzt had a personality.
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>>101668811
>constant paint
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>>101668947
>>101668961
>>101669010
Well fuck me.
You know what I wanted to say..
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>>101663476
Well, regarding Minori and Touya in particular, they didn't want to go back because Touya is in a wheelchair unable to walk in the old world, so I suppose that's why they didn't react too badly.
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>>101662100
SAO had better animation and music. The whole dying in-game meant dying for real also give it tension I can't feel with LH no matter how pitched the situation gets for the protagonists. That makes it better in those aspects alone. I hated Kirito for being a gary stu though. If only LH had the proper funding.
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>>101669345
LH isn't about tense combat, it's about politics.
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>>101663476
Most people were depressed for a long time, that's decribed. I'd say the combination of impossibility of suicide contributed a bit too. Kids are the least of the problems, since they have just arrived in a fairy tale land where they are the heroes they made themselves to be.
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>>101668945
Willpower-ness only works in-game, apparently.

>>101668811
Really, when I look back on it, Mother's Rosario looks like an SAO fanfic,
>Yuuki is stronger than the main-character, and outshines him through-out her story
>Everyone loves her unconditionally
>Makes friends with all the main characters
>Has a disease, but it's ok, in the VR world she can do whatever she likes, and more!
>Dies surrounded by everyone in-game
>Everyone attends her funeral, even though most of the people there only know about her through an online game.
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>>101669424
>implying the entirety of SAO isn't 100% fanfic material.
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>>101669397
Politics is a conflict between people. Conflict is always due to lack of resrouces. LH has no lack of resources. So LH is retarded.
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>>101669455
SAO itself is generic mostly.

Mother's Rosario, written by anyone other than the author, would be a terrible self-insert fanfic.
But because it's canon, it's "just a mini-arc"
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>>101669467
>Conflict is always due to lack of resrouces.
I fell for it.
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>>101668811

What? HIV doesn't cause significant developmental problems even in neonates, and certainly doesn't cause chronic pain. Hell, children with HIV aren't even hospitalized, they just take anti-HIV drugs and go to a paediatric HIV clinic for a checkup four times a year.

Did the author do any research at all, or did he just pick AIDS because it was edgy?
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>>101669397
>LH is about politics

I seriously hope you guys don't think political aspects in LH is legitimately good.

The part where those nobleman can't even into basic inquiry and being selfish nearly made me drop the show.
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>>101669565
Generic moe disease, just go with that like everyone else.
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>>101665330
They do talk about it more, though. It's brought up in vol5 or 6, which the anime hasn't gotten to yet. Same with the suicide thing.
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>>101669565
>AIDS
>No cure
>Slowly killing you inside
>Could infect it to others
>You not killed directly because AIDS, but other diseases while your immune system can't do any shit.

Yes, it's edgy enough for edgy show
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>>101669588
>The part where those nobleman can't even into basic inquiry and being selfish nearly made me drop the show.

>implying its not the same with real life.

Nobody ever asks a direct question in politics. its makes it obvious you need something and makes it easy to take advantage of you.

Nobody ever asks for direct help in politics, that makes you indebted to them.

Nobody ever mobilizes an army unless for their own defense, it makes you look like an expansionist douche

Nobody ever shows everything in their hand even if they win, it makes you predictable.
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>>101669565
>>101669595
>"Even when they're infected with the Human Immunodeficiency Virus, if they can be treated early, it's possible to contain the AIDS virus for about 10, 20 years. Through medication and thorough health management, it is possible to live like one before infection now."

text text text

>—The school didn't know that Yuuki-kun was a HIV carrier. Actually, this is to be expected. Health check-ups carried out by the school or an enterprise are not supposed to include HIV checks in blood. However…just as she went into 4th grade, for some reason, a group of parents of students that were of the same age found out that Yuuki-kun was a carrier. (more text) Her parents tried their best, but in the end, they had to move, and Yuuki-kun was forced to transfer to another school."

text text text

>"And though Yuuki-kun worked hard to go to the new school every day…the cruel thing was that…at this moment, it started. The indicator to show the weakening of the immunization system, the lymph cells CD4 started to decrease drastically. In other words…the AIDS virus had started to take effect. I've always felt that the harmful words of the parents and teachers in her previous school was the reason why she became ill."

text text

>"—As the Immune System weakened, she was easily infected by viruses and bacteria that she could normally resist. This situation is called 'Opportunistic Infection'. Yuuki-kun was infected by something called a Pneumocystis Pneumonia and ended up hospitalized here, and that was about 3.5 years ago.


Make of that what you will.
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>>101669588
They're being selfish because they've never dealt with this before, plus they were just NPCs until shit happened so they might not have needed to know political stuff, technically.
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>>101669824
Dear god, its like the author just slapped on a wiki entry directly on his fanfic.
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>>101669879
>>101669824

I've never seen SAO, is that actually canon?!
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>>101655975
>>101656213

>SAO
>LH

They're both shitty self-insert author's mastubatory imagination wank but LH has better overall world building than the other.
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>>101669914
Yes it's canon.

>>101669879
How so?
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>>101669939
Who is mamare's self insert then?
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>>101669982
See: >>101667187
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>>101669982
The princess
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>you will never find an MMO you actually like and create a guild with your friends and have adventures
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>>101669968
>How so?

Because that is a textbook case - AIDS is never a textbook case, its not a disease, its a condition of severe immune deficiency.

You don't always get PP, you're more prone to a lot worse things - in females, thats infections from having biotics in your vagina.
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>>101670019
>friends
hmm...
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>>101670104
D-don't worry, making friends will be easier in the database. I'm sure, right, everybody?
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>>101669772
Meh, at the time the goblin came and attacked, everybody would knew their priorities already.
Besides, at time like that it's more about diplomacy rather than pure politics.

>>101669851
Which is way the 'political' part is barely interesting. The noblemen is just some faggots that can't even predict Shiroe and co. intention. There is barely any bargaining and it's just our MCs curbstomping them
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>>101670031
It has to happen to someone, though, no?

Though, I think this story was just an excuse to introduce the Medicuboid (basically a high-powered NerveGear, so they can operate on Yuuki or something, while she's ingame.), which I think is meant to be the prototype (or base) for the STL, which leads into Alicization.
The story was probably also used to hint that Rinko (Kayaba's bitch) is going to be involved in the following arc, as she's mentioned here (And she is involved in the folowing arc)
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>>101658935
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSv-vVLkfNc
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>>101659926

Just don't use one at all. Problem solved.
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>>101670154
Its essentially discussing politics with aliens.

You don't know what they want, but they have a lot of what we want
>technology
>superior military force
>magic
>etc

And a good head on your shoulder can decide whether you become their equals or their slaves.
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>>101670154
Then again the anime is not trying to show intricate politics, which I would guess no anime has ever tried or achieved.

LH's politics have to be dumbed down for the reasons explained in the post you replied to (that being that they are intelligent players dealing with previously NPCs who have an old definiton of diplomacy and the fact that it's airing in NHK, and the aim of founding it was purely education and, you know, for kids.
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>>101666785
No. Alicization explains that it's not an individual's memories, but their soul as expressed by quantum bits that are creating the world. That's how Alicization's world was generated by the souls of abducted newborn babies.
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>>101670193
>Kayaba's bitch

>You will never have someone bring you food and medical care regularly, while you hide away in a cave, after imprisoning 10,000 people, and becoming the world's most wanted, while pretending to be held hostage by implanting a bomb inside herself.
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>>101666642
>it happened a hundred years ago
it did
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>>101665372
they are far more explained than LH, thus why people complain even more since they have fuel for the fire.

whereas in LH, there is no details about the game world, thus they can do shit and nobody questions it cause it just werks.

how can players create game objects? in SAO players were all forced to live in that game world but could not alter it in any way, save for the few times Kirito and Asuna did which was part of the plot

in LH they can cook meals, by, actually cooking foods, instead of choosing it from a menu. how come they can do this? you could not do that in the regular game, how come they can now that they are in game? no reason it just woks, pretty convenient huh

basically, LH only cared to explain how the fight system and guild system works but not the game world per se, we see it change all the time as the series progresses and its very entertaining but theres no explanation for anything. you just have to accept it the way it is and hope there is a reasonable explanation to why they are even there.

in SAO there was a reasonable explanation to why they were there, why they coudlnt get out, etc etc
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I hope Mamare feels proud.
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>>101670104
I already have friends to play games with. We just mostly play shooters and beat 'em ups like Dragon's Crown.
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>>101670276
>proud for his shitty SAO clone sells less than original.
ftfy
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>>101670259
Memories are used to see and interact with the world.
Also, not abducted babies... At all.
Just the cloned "souls" of random babies, that were used to create a way to make a template for newborn "fluctlights".
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>>101670336
>SAO clone
If Log Horizon is an SAO clone then they're both clones of .hack, which is a clone of Magical Knight Rayearth.
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>>101670275
But both of these situations were used to set the boundaries and establish a world for the plot to take place.

For example, LH established from the start that they were in a game world but that it worked quite differently from their previous concept of it. This then resonates and gives way for the exploits and new things to happen.

Whereas in SAO, once it set it's boundaries, that being that they were strictly in a game world: as you mentioned, they were not able to alter the world, they were tied to the weapon, skill, crafting, food and combat system. But after setting said boundaries, it decided to trample over them by giving the main characters the ability to be able to break game rules through sheer force of will.
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>>101670378
>Clone of .hack

See: >>101666372
SAO was a web-novel in 2002 to 2008.
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>>101670415
It's still post-Rayearth, which is pretty much "trapped in an JRPG." They even have bosses and level up.
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>>101670415
>Clone of NG Knights Ramune & 40
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>>101670275
Okay, you want explanation?
There's none so far, since it's not even finished.
Want the headcanon though?
The backstory of Elder Tale is the Earth exploded and the ET world is the remains put back together. If the game became real, most likely the backstory can be treated as true also. Then we come to a conclusion the 'game world' is the real world but with magic and gameplay layered over it. It still has holes like the origins of magic and how the whole gameplay works, but it's the most coherent thing available with what we know so far.
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>>101670336
>SAO clone
wow, there are still people who believe in this? trapping in a game is SAO original concept and should not be copied?
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>ITT
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>>101670378
Eliwood>Lyn
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>>101670415
.hack was also released in 2002. That means preproduction and marketing all happened before June 20th. SAO was Oct 12, 2002 according to wikipedia. It could have been very well a derived fanfic.
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>>101670398
which is bullshit because its a game, you don't have that kind of freedom in games, you might as well tell a story of people being wisked away to another world (like Magic Knight Rayearth) where the world is real.

in SAO only Asuna and Kirito broke the game world but like I mentioned its part of the plot.

>>101670462
I know there is none, and thats what bothers me how everyone accepts that the author can pull anything out of his ass and still accept it cause, even though its a gameworld that should be bound by game rules and what now, they have been pretty much thrown out the window (save for combat rules) which is the only thing keeping LH being video game related at all, you could say LH is to MKR what SAO is to .hack
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>>101670530
Lyn=Eliwood>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>Hector
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>>101670564
No need to be such a fucking hipster, anon.
Everyone knows that Hector was objectively the best lord.
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>>101670561
>in SAO only Asuna and Kirito broke the game world but like I mentioned its part of the plot.

Not quite.
In GGO, the main villain hints to be able to do this. Or at the very least, he's gained some kind of 6th sense.
And through-out Alicization, it's explained how many of the characters (who are not Kirito) are able to achieve lengths that should not be possible with their given stats.

Then again, Alicization isn't in a game. It's in a simulation. Which should make it worse.
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>>101670561
>which is bullshit because its a game, you don't have that kind of freedom in games, you might as well tell a story of people being wisked away to another world

Log Horizon is exactly like that though.

There are skills like cooking that even non-chefs can learn

The world is rapidly expanding from a half-gaia to a full size scale

There are more inventions that ignore or outright break game mechanics such as siege engines and vehicles

And the class skill lists can be greatly expanded or reworked by using them in clever ways, known as overskills
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>>101670561
Everything you have said perfectly applies to LH... if it was a game.
They already hinted it out in the mage exposition episode but later in the LNs they explain that they are not trapped in a game, but that the game has become their reality. It's a hard concept to grasp because it's neither trapped-in-a-game or game-is-now-real, but a mix of the two.
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>>101670554
He started writing it in 2001, he claims. Also, he wrote SAO for a contest, but he exceeded the character count by a huge amount.
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>>101670561
So?
You can't explain the non-game parts like cooking and inventions without delving into how the world is working internally.

You don't expect the author to reveal what's probably the main, most important mystery a.k.a how the fuck did it happen, do you?
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>>101670561
>broke the game but that's okay
>mad that the author can pull anything out of his ass
>even though it's a game world
Are you even trying?

>>101670594
My love for OTP is too strong, I spent most of my time just trying to make sure Lyn and Eliwood got A ranking. His combat was pretty nice, though. All of those minor character OTPs though, god damn I loved Fire Emblem.
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>>101670704
It's all about Florina man. I remember I restarted the game if she even got hit once.
No one's harming my daughteru.
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>>101670692
That's not the point. I'm not the anon claiming it is a .dot hack fanfic; it is entirely plausible if it was. Personally, I don't think the setting actually matters much as the (self insert) fan fiction part which is something even the SAO author admitted to afaik.
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>>101670826
He admitted that Kirito was his ideal. (which is how I read it)
But then later he claims that he doesn't like putting himself into his characters.

Make of that what you will.
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>>101670561
Are you even watching the show? The MC and side characters bring it up countless times going.
"But this is the game world! This is what happened when we were playing the game!"
And the MC, being smart thanks to his glasses, has to clarify that they aren't stuck in a game, it's their reality now loosely based off of the game.

I'm not caught up but as an example, that Goblin King event still happened. Except it just doesn't end after some time thanks to maintenance, he really would take over the entire region with his goblins overflowing the area. And since they're trapped there, and it's their reality, they'll be dealing with it forever.

Just fuck off back to the weekly SAO thread that someone has to start.
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>>101670762
It always hurt when I couldn't get through a mission without nearly sacrificing someone, I hated myself as a strategist but at least nobody died. I think my favorite side couple was the snipers.
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>>101670699
but they are game part anon, they are inside a game world, thus all the things they can do should be constricted to the game mecanics.

but those are totally ignored, its like sure we can do this by following the game mecanic but we can totally ignore it and do it this other way because the game doesnt have limits.

basically its up to the author to give some sort of explanation as to why? but none is given except they can just for the heck of it (but it makes it oh so interesting that Nyanta-san discovered he could cook and make the MC rich to further his agenda)

basically what im getting at is that, players are breaking the game all they want to their advantage and further their own agendas even with the NPC's with no explanation as to why even players have this advantage over the people that already live here.

you are telling me that npc's never once though of how to cook? they always just popped food out of thin air (because we know they can't access menus systems like player do)

etc etc. Like I said, the world they live in is bullshit and just conveniently set out so they can do whatever they want to further progress the story, they might as well just gotten kidnapped by aliens and thrown out into another planet.
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I think this doing well has to do with everything else from fall being pretty mediocre.
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Can we all just agree that Trap Kirito is best-girl out of both series?
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>>101670975
I still prefer Shinon
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>>101670929
But it's not in a game and it doesn't have limits because it is not a game. You can say that the menus are remnants of the magic that allowed communication between realms, thanks based Alvs. Why are you so autistic that you have to type paragraphs to shitpost?
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>>101670975
>>101671002
In either case, best girl is displayed in this image.
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>>101670929
>you are telling me that npc's never once though of how to cook? they always just popped food out of thin air (because we know they can't access menus systems like player do)
> (because we know they can't access menus systems like player do)

Implying, by that logic Rudy would never be able partying and dungeonering with Tohya and co.
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>>101670929
Are you fucking serious? I don't even know if you're trying to troll or not.
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>>101666963
>>101667023
black/monotone by itself is waaaaaaaaaay to boring to me

3 colors atleast is my rule
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>>101671060
>implying he doesn't use the Force now like all other adventurers
>implying he doesn't become one anyway
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>>101671060
Rudy is just walking around with them anon, they can't even friend him or talk telephaticaly to him.

he is just an adventurer npc tagging along.

>>101671032
because you are the ones that are accepting this shitty plot device of "its their new reality thats combined with a game world" that allows them to conveniently do what they want to progress.
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>>101671137
>>101671204

While they can active skills with movements without menu system he won't have skills to cast.
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>>101671204
>conveniently do what they want to progress
You just described SAO. SAO makes rules and breaks them whenever the author writes himself into a corner or needs some extra cash from that next volume. LH has no pre-set limits and the characters work their way towards what they want to do.
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>>101671277
yes, and they break it 3 times, in LH conveniently everything is breakable, but for the MC's sake, its always convenient for him. thus why make it a game at all.
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>>101671253
Are you sure? He never pulls his menu in battle. If you mean the menu has to exist for him to know skills at all, I doubt that.
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>>101671277
>You just described SAO.
No, he described every long-running series ever.
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>>101671204
They party-ed him and that requires an invitation.
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Non animeaddict here.

Am I wrong or is this how the Anime business works:

>A new genre or trope is proven to be a success in the market.

>The west likes it, and japan proceeds to shit themselves- hoping they can briefly relive the late 90s anime high again.

>Suddenly, all the other production companies/tv studios/publishers bring in their own similar products within that genre (because animes don't really compete against eachother do they? people can watch and enjoy both, and both companies win.)

Is the VR/MMO genre going to be the next "ensemble cast of high school kids having to kill eachother for sport" or "Hey I think giant robots can sell again if we make the pilots more edgy" ?
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>>101671344
but muh training arcs

>>101671333
Could you name one or two of those, really quick?
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>>101671355
did they specifically said they sent him a party invite? because being together with a group of poeple is considered being in a party.

they could really just be walking along together fighting monsters but not be a party (as far as game mechanics go)
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>>101671398
>A new genre or trope is proven to be a success in the market.

>The west likes it, and japan proceeds to shit themselves- hoping they can briefly relive the late 90s anime high again.

Yes.

>Suddenly, all the other production companies/tv studios/publishers bring in their own similar products within that genre

Doing grea-

>(because animes don't really compete against eachother do they? people can watch and enjoy both, and both companies win.)

You were so close. If there are two objects for sale and more than one opinion, there will always be competition.
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>>101671398
Pretty much what you said. Following the breakthrough leaders.
There's also the current '>deconstruction' thing going on.
>>101671453
They said there's a 6-people limit (that's why the raids are 6, 24 (6x4) and 96 (6x16) people). In the LN Shiroe had to ask them to be added so his plan can work.
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>>101671524
it was said that parties were of 6 people because having more people would just make shit more caothic and hard to manage.

I dont remember what was exactly said in the last episode though, when they were explaining their attack plan while riding the boat.

anyway, we can't say for sure NPC's even have menu's or not, it might have been an oversight as Rudy gave a weird look at Izumi when she was handling her own menu when she tries friending him
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>>101671555
/jp/ pls
going into game worlds still isn't real
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>>101671600
>because having more people would just make shit more caothic and hard to manage.
That's what Misa said about Legion raid party not normal party, the max number is 6.

>Rudy gave a weird look at Izumi when she was handling her own menu when she tries friending him
That's just because he didn't want anyone know he's a Lander, not because he's jealous he can't use menu.
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>>101671468
>If there are two objects for sale and more than one opinion, there will always be competition.

With alternative ways of watching and paying for anime, how long is that going to continue to hold true?
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>>101671398
You're right until you got to the part about competing against each other, because that's exactly what's happening. Anime studios make their money off merchandise and BD sales, and that shit is expensive enough that even a dedicated fan will only buy so many BDs. There is very real and direct competition between studios. That's why even if they put out a flavor of the month show they tend to stick to the niche they've developed. The quality of the show certainly helps sales, but some people just don't buy slice of life shows, for example, even if they're really high quality. There will always be genre niches that studios can exploit.
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>>101671600
He's been around adventurers long enough to know what they are, he just knew what was coming next when she pulled it out. Anyway, he's part of their party enough to join in on the dungeons.

>>101671709
Never has in the west, in japland it's pretty much watch on late-night and buy merch of what you liked the most because prices are so high there's only enough for one or three series.
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>>101671673
>That's just because he didn't want anyone know he's a Lander, not because he's jealous he can't use menu.

does he even know menu's exist? like I said, we have yet to see any npc use a menu.

and why does he care that people know he is a lander? he seems like he is just in that shit for the ride and not because he wants to spy on landers or anything special.
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>>101671600
>Izumi
NPCs have fucking status screens and can view them, you autistic idiot. While they may not be as detailed as an Adventurer's, they can see their EXP, HP, and MP bars. From what we know, they can't see how their stats were adjusted to reflected bonuses gained from equipment or their hp/mp bars in numerical values.
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>>101671770
true that, I forgot that he knew he what level he was.
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>>101671756
>does he even know menu's exist?
Of course he does, how else he can know his own level, HP, MP, EXP if he doesn't
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>>101671709
Considering the industry is doing just fine and has continued to expand despite online piracy being a thing for over a decade, I'd say it's a sustainable business model. People don't buy BDs because they can't watch the series any other way, they buy the BDs because they are collectors, and the BDs often come with special material. Same reason they buy other merch, like figmas. They are selling to a niche audience here, most series do not have a huge enough popularity to pull sales from normals.
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>>101671756
Exactly, all he ever wanted was to be an adventurer, so if he's found out as a lander he might not be able to join because of the risks in death/descrimination etc.
And >>101671770
>>101671807
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>>101671795
you know he could've asked any adventurer
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>>101671879
>>101671795
>>101671756
Jesus Christ, fix your shift key you little shit. Punctuation and capitals do wonders for an argument.
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>>101671879
well, he could, but since its late, I'll leave that debate for another time, im off to sleep.

night guys.

I enjoy both SAO and LH, too bad most people can't
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>>101671946
You are the cancer, autism and AIDS that is killing /a/ and society at large.
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>>101671946
>Enjoy both LH and SAO
Impossible!
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>>101671879
No, you idiot. NPCs know about the basic MMORPG functions like status screens and levels. Hell, there was this NPC dude who was like "I HAVE 10 LEVEL 30 GUARDSMEN." If you don't know what that implies or if you're just going to use the "you know, he could've asked any adventurer" statement again, then just go fuck off, because I'm not going to explain.
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>>101671994
I don't see how that's impossible (I'm not that guy.)
I mean, both are enjoyable, (to me at least,) and I really don't understand the Hate for SAO. (Not that people don't like it, or dislike. I mean the Absolute hate, for it)
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>>101672039
>"I HAVE 10 LEVEL 30 GUARDSMEN."
never saw this
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>>101672052
Underaged shit please go, although I guess in a SAO thread they all come out of hiding.
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>>101668048
YES nigger
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>>101672201
>Underaged
Not even close.
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>>101672229
Then you have never been in a SAO thread up until now, because in any one that isn't circlejerking, people will point out a few hundred good reasons to dislike the show.
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>>101672293
Oh don't get me wrong. I know why people say they dislike the show.
I just don't understand -hate- it, to the point where they need to actively shit-post it.
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>>101672338
Shitposting is because the fanbase is 99% guys like this. >>101671946
who have no idea what they're doing.
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>>101672416
Isn't that how most fanbases are? (at least, fanbases for things that get really popular, really fast)
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>>101672591
That's why /a/ hates those fanbases, unless it becomes one, in which case thread quality drops for a season or two. Right now the biggest one we have to deal with is Kill La Kill.
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>>101656269
To show Samurai how to fight the Jews
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>>101670002
So he want to be violated by a clown?
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