>Dad, this is our new transfer student in our class, her name is Kyouko.
>She doesn't have any place to stay in Mitakihara, can she stay with us pretty pleeease?
Sure, two cocksleeves sounds good
>not staying with your ex girlfriend who had an entire house empty save for the company of a doll
kyoko a shit
It's Homura, she ships KyouSaya
That doesn't sound like a good influence on my musume.
She was there in TDS, she should have shipped KyouMami.
as it is the only correct ship
unless you ship streetlight, in which case you are the most right
Kyoko rooms with Mami in Madoka Online.
She sits on the couch eating junk food, playing games, and watching TV all day until Mami snaps and puts her on a diet, makes her study, do exercises and wear frilly clothes.
Kyoko loses it after a few days because "there's no point in living if you can't eat yummy food", and threatens to just leave.
Mami gets so depressed at that remark because it reminds her of how much it hurt when Kyoko left her the first time, and so Kyoko apologizes and lets Mami have her way until she gradually calms her tits.
The thing is Homura has witnessed many universes where Kyouko tries to save Sayaka even though in her heart she knows it's impossible.
It probably reminded her a lot of herself, so she can't help but wanting them together.
Kyouko staying at Sayaka's home makes no sense when she has all that history with Mami, fucking pandering shit.
I blame $hinbo.
But if Homu ship Kyouko with Mami, who will she ship with Sayaka?
Why is Mami x Kyouko a thing?
The Different Story. It's pretty good. You should read it. It makes MamiKyou far more interesting that SayaKyou. But unfortunately, Shinbo treats it as a really good doujin.
because of "the Different Story," which tells of the veteran mami taking the new magical girl kyoko under her wing
it also shows how kyoko's dad found out about her being a magical girl
it's a good read, and it solidifies kyomami as the best otp
Drama CD 3, TDS, Portable, Online and Pentagram games, literally all the extra materials says that they had a relationship of master-student except the series and the fucking movie.
at least kyosaya has some damn good tribute videos
Second to last time-line of Kyouko giving her life for Sayaka left far more of an impact, and was quite fresh on her mind; while she wasn't there for any of Kyouko's big scenes with Mami where they made up. As far as Homura knows they never really were able to make up, or perhaps it's more she was never there to see it worked out even if only for a few moments..
The series does hint at their relationship. You could see for example Kyouko's "enchant binoculars" magic was the exact same sort of thing as Mami's "enchant Sayaka's bat"
you'd think kyoko would show a bit more emotion than "so mami's dead huh" when she hears of her death
The series implied... something when Kyoko lost it at Sayaka's "Mami wouldn't have died if it weren't for magical girls like you" line.
Well QB went to Kasamino to tell Kyouko. We only saw Kyouko once she comes over to Mitakihara, so she's probably had time to brood over it already.
I like them best as almost-siblings.
Reminder that none of the girls will ever find happiness now that Homura's gone mad.
>Madoka lost her best friend forever and will have to live with her failure to save her
>Homura has gone insane and has sunk to a level Madoka can no longer save, denying her personal happiness
>Mami and Kyouko will have to lose the ones they care most for in order to stop Homura
>Sayaka and Nagisa will have to fight against the ones they care most for to stop Homura, and then bid them farewell
Remember, Sayaka is canonically straight.
Pretty sure 風見野 is "Kazamino".
In the end, it all returns to sad Mamis.
Kyouko promised herself never to cries again when her family dies, she also wears a mask if you have not noticed.
or at least bi
she always struck me as a little queer
I wish to impregnate Mami through artificial insemination and then have the baby grown within a surrogate mother.
That doesn't mean the mask shouldn't have come off a little bit
Course it makes sense; Sayaka in final time-line was able to become friends with Kyouko at the end, and the understanding she gained from Meguka Heaven watched everyone gave her the will to try to extend the olive branch this time around and help the poor girl out. If you want her to not steal and be bad you just have to offer her a second chance and family and togetherness like that. Mami typically tried not to make the first move there as she didn't want to pry until Kyouko was ready since she accidentally pushed her away last time, but Mami also came upon a new visitor in recent days when she decided to keep a pet witch in her apartment.
Sayaka with a little insight was just being her usual proactive self and helping out a friend when she got a second chance, while Mami tried to give Kyouko some space in the meantime until she was ready to talk perhaps. Still though, some do wonder just how closer Mami and Kyouko had really become once more during the final loop there.
I miss Mamicountant. She is in a better place now though.
You can argue that this is the case >>101652490
Also I can't remember well but I'm pretty sure they explain why in vol.2 of TDS, go read it.
She's hostile to Mami, their breakup was a real disagreement
Sayaka does the same thing in TDS, breaks off with Mami because of a real disagreement
Then what about Hitomi?
I don't think Sayaka with Kyousuke could constitute an ideal world...
Not after rebellion
Isn't it hilarious? They pushed it so fucking hard, they promoted Different Story with the movie release, Hanokage made it like MadoHomu with the ribbon subtext, holy shit.
I guess it seems too much like NTR, it hardly has any popularity among fanart.
What about her? She wasn't relevant, they can just ship her off with some other dude.
But Sayaka barely even cared for Kyouko. They could have totally gone TDS route instead and have Sayaka angst about Kyousuke.
The thing is Sayaka won't be happy with Kyousuke. Gen made this plenty clear with in interviews and with Rebellion.
Homura does want everyone to be happy, regardless of her devil act.
It's already been directly stated by the author that she wouldn't be happy with him, since he's kind of a bad boyfriend. Not that this would really deter her at all in trying.
It's just subtext m8. It's not the same as KyoSaya. KyoSaya are related with their wish.
Of course, she is.
Damn your people sometimes. Just look at the fucking work and analyze it in itself.
"And then we held hands "
This, she'll fuck anything with a kyou.
I wonder if Hitomi and Kyousuke have done it.
How sexually active at 14 year old these days?
Interviews with the writer reveals creative intent, anon. Kyousuke x Sayaka is not an OTP, it's a terrible tragedy that can never work.
You can figure this out by analyzing the work too, but some people seem to lack the ability to do this properly.
>KyoSaya are related with their wish.
KyouMami are also related with their wish. Moreso than KyouSaya. KyouMami also have very similar back stories.
But you're right, it is only subtext. TDS made it clear that Kyouko saw Mami as an older sister, even if they teased and hinted at something romantic the entire time.
Fuck this, /a/. I watch the series and Rebellion not really caring about KyouSaya but nonetheless acknowledging them. Then I read TDS and now I'm fucking pissed that KyouMami has never even been animated. It is arguably the best pairing in the series, and makes a hell of a lot more sense than KyouSaya.
I don't think Violins have holes. So there's probably not a lot of sex going on.
Kyousuke is violin-sexual.
You can't really have it both ways, you'll make Kyouko look like a two timing bitch.
There are people already complaining that Sayaka switched from Kyousuke to Kyouko too easily, even given the fact that she went to Yuri Heaven and came back.
Because it's history. You want Kyouko to come crying back to Mami after all that? Why?
>all these KyouSaya deniers
Do you need to have Shiraishi explain tsundere to you again?
No reason not to go with a threesome, in fact that was the wish of Hanokage with TDS and Mami being the older sister is what united Sayaka and Kyouko more in some extra materials, but SHAFT never gave them a chance, I don't even think there's official art of these three together.
>See the pic
>"Yeah I'd impregnate the fuck out of her"
>Actually read the text
You are my nigga.
I say this as a yurifag who ships KyouSaya hard. Author intent doesn't fucking matter. He can say it won't work out all he wants, but it's not in the work, so it doesn't actually make any difference. Now I need a shower, as I feel dirty for defending a hetship. But I hate author intent bullshit even more.
>NTRing your daughter with her girlfriend
2 holes, great
>some other dude
But WHICH Kyou?
If you Kyousuke really is that small, then there's definitely not a lot of sex going on.
Adios, my sanity
It doesn't matter, as long as there's a kyou sound in their name she's ok with it.
I went into TDS thinking KyouSaya were the right couple, but I came out thinking KyouMami was OTP. I'm sure if they animate TDS, which is a great story, most people would do the same.
Madoka Portable had a fun scene where Mami's the one to break up the Sayaka and Kyoko fight so they could deal with a witch together.
Well, it was fun until Sayaka played hero and fucked up the plan.
>even Sayaka's dad knows she's shit
She drink apple juice on daily basis, the lesbianest of the megukas after homu.
Their different experiences and outcomes with their wish is what leads them to drift so far apart, anon.
Kyouko becomes close to Sayaka because of the similarity of their wish.
The subtext is your typical stuff with senpai-kouhai relationships. MamiMado has it too, and it has almost as much fanart as MamiKyou.
Mami is a senpai to all the girls to some degree, Kyouko can get along with all the girls to some degree. I just don't think you're suppose to take it as an OTP ship, just hostile veteran colleagues with some history.
Some people are a bit foolish about things without any direct action from the interviews to define it a bit. Like that one idea going around that Homura hated every girl that wasn't Madoka and felt nothing towards them in the slightest as they kept dying, I mean you can say there's pieces in the story that contradict that fact but all will be dismissed as "No, that's not what that scene means" without something like proof.
Also the idea that "No, the only time-lines that occurred ever were the ones we directly saw in the show itself. Anything more than that is pure fanfiction" despite the fact that of course Homura did not gather and set up hundreds of mortars and plan out everything to the last detail, not to mention change her personality to that level even if it's just on the surface after like five time-lines. Interpreting the work on it's own basis is fine, but then there are people that adhere strictly to things that directly are shown not to be the case just because the audience isn't hit over the head with it to sink in further. There's such a thing as subtlety, but if all else fails at least you can go back to the authors intent to clear up any misconceptions.
As expected of Sayaka!
>says that they had a relationship of master-student except the series and the fucking movie.
Except the series denotes it as well. Master falls, apprentice doesn't bat an eye and carries on. They discover they will be witches, the first one to receive "mercy" is the apprentice. When the almost-final timeline is established, the two are shown to work together like peas and carrots.
And never in a romantic manner. The Different Story paints a crystal-clear picture of the two as sisters. The only relationship bait made by the series or the movies is Kyouko/Sayaka.
And in the end that's all it is: bait. As is displayed by AI YO.
Right, you don't need it. It is useful for people who somehow can't realize it's not a ship.
Kyousuke hardly does anything, he's not even relevant. Kyouko is far more involved with Sayaka.
So...you hate Mado/Homu? Because. Um. Well.
>will have to live with her failure to save her
You mean the one she doesn't remember?
>sunk to a level Madoka can no longer save
>Mami and Kyouko will have to lose the ones they care most for in order to stop Homura
>Sayaka and Nagisa will have to fight against the ones they care most for to stop Homura, and then bid them farewell
Fuck off with your edgy fanfiction.
>he's not even relevant
He is though, he's the reason Sayaka became a magical girl, and why she became a witch. Which only proves Kyouko is better. No girls have become witches due to her being a faggot.
I knew I wasn't the only one with an artificial insemination fetish.
Yeah, I'm saying he's not relevant in terms of actually doing anything. Sayaka is never going to do anything to get him either, and never does in every time line.
>Then I read TDS and now I'm fucking pissed that KyouMami has never even been animated. It is arguably the best pairing in the series, and makes a hell of a lot more sense than KyouSaya.
>A neurotic girl whose initial ability as a Mahou Shoujo is literally crippled by the trauma caused from her own wish tearing away what she loved and cherished most in life.
>A neurotic girl who is crippled emotionally by the mounds and mounds of guilt she feels from not saving her own parents when she had a clear chance to do so, often bleeding over to her own relations with others. Afraid to let people close, afraid even more of losing them to a point she can easily drive them away
I don't think you quite understand the concept of AI YO, anon.
I just want them to recognize the relationship of sisters that Mami and Kyouko have, I don't care if they put Kyouko and Sayaka fucking on screen after, I just want Mami to have a real partner and not a fucking pet.
Why don't witches just farm Grief Seed until they have enough to retire for a few centuries, then just commit suicide when they're bored of living?
You mean magical girls?
Mostly because they're not that good and tend to get killed. The really good ones do in fact stockpile up.
Someone post that picture from PSP game of Kyouko and her stash.
>witches just farm Grief Seed
What? Do you mean meguca? Because witches seem to be able to live indefinitely, unless they are murdered by meguca or commit sudoku as in Kriemhild Gretchen and Homulilly's case.
I recognise this game!
calm your shipnipples nigga, it's an alliance not a love pair
grief seed hatch into witches remember. They have a shelf life.
What makes you think animation will give it more fans?
Are the side materials stuff really that unpopular?
>I want them to be sisters!
>Shut up, shipperfags!
They actually had Kyouko talk about this in Oriko too. Oriko's been killing magical girls so there's even less competition than before at Kazamino. When Kyouko kills the witch that killed Yuma's parents she was like "goddamn, where are all the magical girls in this down, them witches are overflowing here, can't even carry all this grief seed anymore".
>You mean the one she doesn't remember?
He's alluding to the one that DOES remember. The one currently sitting outside of Akuma Homura's influence and can't do anything but look on lest she risk more of her already-fractured and frail power being taken from her, and endangering that many more Puella Magi.
There is no citation when the conclusion's obvious. No matter the form it takes, "salvation" will only lead to Homura's own unhappiness. She implies this much herself, and her actions halfway through the movie reflect this truth. Between the world and Homura, Madoka chooses the world (even though she says she would rather just be easy-breasy normal). That's the nature of Madoka that has damned Homura from the very instant that she made her wish to "save Madoka".
Alluding that, as they were acting as heralds at the time of Homura's gambit, she has "control" over both Nagisa and Sayaka's abilities. And that, should Ragnarok occur, Mami and Kyouko, fighting for Madoka's freedom, will face both as opponents.
>Fuck off with your edgy fanfiction.
Be mad at Shinbo for insisting Gen paint such a picture to begin with.
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
whoa nigga, it's very clear some of these fags want everything to be about their sister ship
maybe if you stop thinking of it like some love sister ship then maybe you won't be so upset
That must be really painful
>Step Up For the ultimate pairing
Not really. It's like sitting on the tears and despair of hundreds of hapless, unfulfilled maidens.
I think Mami x Nagisa is a good pairing.
>There is no citation when the conclusion's obvious.
There's no indication that Homura cannot be saved, she will just refuse until there is a time where she can understand Madoka's happy where she is.
>Alluding that, as they were acting as heralds at the time of Homura's gambit, she has "control" over both Nagisa and Sayaka's abilities. And that, should Ragnarok occur, Mami and Kyouko, fighting for Madoka's freedom, will face both as opponents.
This is complete bullshit. It appears that Homura has given everyone a reasonable amount of free will and there's no indication she can control their powers, she just alters Sayaka's memories so she forgets she has them.
>Mami and Kyouko, fighting for Madoka's freedom
They do not remember that she exists.
>Be mad at Shinbo for insisting Gen paint such a picture to begin with.
>m-muh intended ending
Go have shitty opinions elsewhere.
Even Madoka aproved this pairing
Yeah but her dad committed suicide because of her.
But Kyouko and Mami did love each other.
>Madoka has an NTR fetish
I don't if I like this
Madokami is into lots of weird shit, maybe that's why Homura wanted normal Madoka back.
>the ending of Rebellion is just part of some seriously detailed kinky roleplay.
Why the fuck would you think that, fucking kill yourself.
>Madoka ships HomuSaya
Well, I guess it's fine as long as Madoka approves it, once in a while. Violent rough housing pair, or whatever.
NagisaMami is the lewdest OTP.
There is nothing lewd about the relationship between a large breasted girl and her surrogate daughter.
>There's no indication that Homura cannot be saved, she will just refuse until there is a time where she can understand Madoka's happy where she is.
>This is complete bullshit. It appears that Homura has given everyone a reasonable amount of free will and there's no indication she can control their powers, she just alters Sayaka's memories so she forgets she has them.
You DO remember Sayaka and Nagisa were heralds holding on to Madoka's powers until the time was right, correct? That, while individuals, they are acknowledged in truth as just another segment of the Law of Cycles, right?
Homura shows active manipulation of all three girls (Madoka, Sayaka, Nagisa) under the same principles and circumstances in the end. I don't agree it's inevitable, but it's damn-well possible for her to have or obtain a level of control over that stolen section of the LoC that she can actively wield it to her heart's desire.
So yeah, fallen angels. A dirty pair, if you will.
>They do not remember she exists
But they acknowledge her as the Law of Cycles, and would fight for such a cause
>Shitty opinions elsewhere
With a vantage point for your butthurt being this good? I'll pass.
>nothing lewd about the relationship between a large breasted girl and her surrogate daughter.
when you put it like that, there should be.
Original OTP reporting in.
>Stockholm syndrome pairing
Sometimes I really do think Kyubey used his tongue on Mami after a long day.
Sibling love, not romantic love as is being suggested in this thread.
And as I point out, their love—love PERIOD—is anything but logical.
But Mami has been inside Nagisa already.
I'm going to hell for this.
>But they acknowledge her as the Law of Cycles, and would fight for such a cause
Reminder that Madoka is not the law of cycles. The law is still functioning as shown in a recent interview.
Based Nakazawa kun
If Rifyu had any taste he'd ship everyone with Nakazawa instead of violinfag
>Homura shows active manipulation of all three girls
No, she does not. She wipes their memories. She does not control them like puppets. Hell, she can't even control Clara.
>But they acknowledge her as the Law of Cycles
They literally remember nothing about Madoka=LoC.
Nagisa has already eaten Mami out
Nakazawa is amaizng.
Nagisa has already tasted Mami's sweet juices.
Sibling love is the only thing that has been suggested in this thread, anon.
Oh anon, Nagisa loev Mami, she enjoys her head every time line.
Mami gave head
Maybe there would be some intense skinship and light roleplay, but it's only lewd from Mami's perspective so it's okay.
Mami gave head to Nagisa's long, hard, black monstrous member.
Homura better enjoy this while she can since when Madoka becomes her enemy neither of them will feel happiness ever again.
>relationship bait made by the series or the movies is Kyouko/Sayaka.
I don't think we've been watching the same series
Though that wasn't my point. Do you really think that, given the information that Akemi Homura's actions were endangering other Puella Magi in the world, that Mami would stand idly by?
I never even intended to bring forth the inference that she would conclude The Law of Cycles is Madoka. My forecast is based on her actions throughout the series.
We need a lot more Nagosa futa now
>Manipulates Sayaka, Madoka, & Nagisa's memories
>No, she does not.
Do you know what a gilded cage is?
>They literally remember nothing about Madoka=LoC.
And then pumped her full of musket magic
There was a C85 one, but it didn't got scanned.
>Why is Mami x Kyouko a thing?
But maybe I followed the flow of that specific discussion to a disconnected conclusion.
Mami is the cheese
Nagisa cut the cheese
If you let Mami live it leads to Mami suffering to the extreme.
Remember TDS showed Mami was better off dead.
We have. Just that if Gen/Shinbo can go so far as to at least spell out a one-sided love, then confirming a rivalry-turned-romance should be easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Yes, but she does not CONTROL their powers or their bodies, so I don't see why the claim is that Akuma Homura is going to force them to battle Mami and Kyouko, since that makes no sense. If anything Nagisa and Sayaka will be opposing Homura.
The love between Homura and Madoka is a major point in the story, Kyouko/Sayaka is just there to sell more, there's a difference.
What sorcery is this?
Another one of Moot's stupid glitches.
What is episode 6-9?
Kyoko chasing after Sayaka while Sayaka does her own thing.
What is the fucking movie?
You mean the tragic love that will never be fulfilled.
The low point of the franchise.
What is love?
>not what is ai yo
You blew it.
Bebe don't hurt me
Baby don't hurt me, baby don't hurt me, baby don't hurt me
Have fe in Madoka, anonymous.
Kyouko and Sayaka is one of the fan favorite pairings for a reason even in Japan (especially in Japan, and even with the staff).
Two people who started down the same path but one ended losing her way and trying to help the other not fall for hr same mistake. Eventually the one who did not fall was crushed by the weight of her own choices and fell for good, and the one who fell eventually realized it wasn't a mistake and got back up. To say their interactions and that pairing had no meaning is to not even look at Sayaka's downfall arc of the show and their interactions together in the end, since that was rather important for that entire section right before the final arc detailing Homura's journey. Sayaka' and Kyouko's arc was all about the fall and corruption of Meguka's, along with the small hope that remains behind for even one who seems jaded.
Of course that parallel meant something more than just selling money, and of course their final scene meant something besides selling money since like 4/5ths of the staff allegedly cried to it
It's too late now, Homura can only be redeemed in death, and only Madoka can kill her.
"If someone tells me that it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every time."
>Homura can only be redeemed in death, and only Madoka can kill her.
What a load of bullshit.
What is it with edgyfags who want Madoka to get mad at Homura? The only thing she can't forgive is people making scam phone calls. As long as Homura doesn't do that, she's in the clear.
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
>The only thing she can't forgive is people making scam phone calls
No, I want Madoka to forgive Homura and ask Homura to forgive her for being so stupid to ignore her feelings. I want Homura to apologize and tell Madoka that she could never be mad at her, then state that seeing Madoka happy in her world was the best time of her life, and then I want her to die as Madoka screams in despair.
Probably the 100th questions with Madoka.
>What is it with edgyfags
They're edgyfags. Same people who want Kyubey to break character and turn into a vindictive petty bitch who tries to torture Homura. Probably underages.
Homuhaters, maybe? I remember before Rebellion there were actually people that think what Homura did was bad, and Madoka should be mad at her for doing morally questionable things or whatever.
>He just wanted the people in front of him not to cry.
>Yet in the end, all he could see was crying faces forever.
You have to be delusional to think Homura won't receive comeuppance for her betrayal and Madoka won't lose her best friend and have to move on.
>I'll make sure no magical girl has to suffer again! That's what we both wanted, right, Homura-chan?
It's not about whether or not Madoka will get mad at Homura. On a personal level, they're peas and carrots. They go wonderfully together.
But their ideals clash as if they were full-grown adults. Madoka is a philanthropist at heart, and Homura is almost the literal embodiment of selfishness.
Those actions and the belief that reinforces and dictates their actions will lead to an ultimate separation.
To make it less flowery, if your loved your parent, but they were an abusing drunkard who took all their shit out on you, would you endure it? Or would you eventually break away? Would you lift a hand to aid them, knowing it would likely be used to pull you into hell with them?
I mean yeah, edgyfags gonna edgy, but denial of the obvious is also its own faggotry.
>42 . Anything that you can never forgive? >Impersonation phone scams! I think it is bad! (Impersonated phone scams, also known as Ore Ore Sagi, オレオレ詐欺)
Note: Ore Ore Sagi is a phone scam generally involving faking some extreme distress. They can be very frightening.
That's much more likely that Madoka killing Homura, because for all we know Akuma really broke QB.
>Homura is almost the literal embodiment of selfishness
>literally every action post killing Madoka in timeline 3 is for the sake of another person except maybe that random hug in episode 11 and allowing Madoka to hug her in Homulilly's barrier
But she was just acting entirely on a misunderstanding. Madoka is a very understanding gal.
God she's so pure ;_;
Please, please look at the series again. It's themes and messages about selfishness, seflessness, and the human heart. Please, reconsider the path Akemi Homura took in order to become who she is.
That doesn't make what Homura did right or correct, anon.
You're not going to convince anyone when you say stupid shit like
>Homura is almost the literal embodiment of selfishness.
Homura rarely does anything for herself. She's trying desperately to keep the promise to Madoka. She's just not universally altruistic; she only really cares about Madoka, and arguably has some nominal compassion for the othes.
I know. I just don't think Madoka is going to punish her by killing her like the swarm of edgyfags want to believe. I'm not even really convinced she'd punish Homura at all, though I'm sure human Madoka would probably be more horrified than filled with rage.
Which is why she created a pocket dimension so that she could sing the cake song with them.
>but they were an abusing drunkard who took all their shit out on you
This is what anti-HomuMado fags actually believe.
She had virtually no control over that, as it was a subconscious desire, and on top of that she was as emotionally compromised as a human being can be at Homulilly's birth.
What else can you call capturing a universal force and rewriting the universe as you see fit?
Because no matter how I look at it, that is the very height of selfishness.
Note I'm not denying her compassion for others, but I also refuse to treat her actions toward what is in the end her own happiness as an elephant in the room to not be mentioned.
Maybe you should stop seeing it as "selfishness/selflessness", it really oversimplifies events and leads you to conclusions like "Homura is a drunkard abusing Madoka", or something silly like that.
Nigga this is the only ship I've come to support in my two decades of watching anime are you shitting me?
Madoka is obviously going to punish Homura with tender love and Luminous.
If you can call it the height of selfishness, I can call it the height of selflessness since her selfish actions were for the sake of another person. Selfless acts are in the consideration of someone other than yourself. But to be honest, this selfish/selfless thing has been beaten to death. Everyone who participated in this debate many times agrees (I would hope they see the picture by now at least) that it's a mixture of both and boiling it down to one side is retarded. Because that's just not how it works. Every selfless action is also inherently selfish as well, so there's that to consider as well.
Perhaps, instead, you should look into the basics of characteristic representation in literature, and how it can build into complicated, dynamic characterization. Then you can arrive at a similar conclusion on how I view both Madoka and Homura as to fully realized, very human characters.
Are you the one comparing Homura to an abusive drunk? Is that what HomuMado comes down to?
Not even a mixture of the two as it is two sides of the very same coin, but yeah. That's what makes this pairing and these characters so fascinating. They're certainly not the first to acknowledge their own actions and nature as dualistic. But for them to take it so far, to such an heightened, universal extent, is a fine salute to what is at the chore of the Mahou Shoujo genre.
I fucking love this series and everything about it.
>What else can you call capturing a universal force and rewriting the universe as you see fit?
Saving Madoka from unhappiness, at least from Homura's perspective. She believed that Madoka was unhappy and created a world where Madoka is "happy" by the standards she received at a time where Madoka was emotionally compromised in some way (ie her low-self esteem still exists in full force and she does not understand why she would need to make that choice).
Homura did not do it for herself and needed to pretty much rationalize it to herself in the Das Ewig-Weibliche scene because she knew she was committing what would appear to any outside force to be a sin or a crime.
The epilogue pretty much slams it in your face that there's trouble in paradise and Homura seems more isolated than ever from Madoka, something that we KNOW pretty much kills her inside (see episode 11).
what's so bad about rewriting a terrible universe, it's the same thing as what Madoka did
boo hoo, selfish, blah blah, who cares, it's objectively best end for now at least
The comparison is not that far off, they really love each other but also hurt each other all the damn time.
Yeah, Rebellion is a worthy follow up because of it's valuable extention to Homura and making the distinction between Homura and Madoka more visible. And it also materializes it into actions that make sense for Homura.
After giving his utmost to save someone he found on the edge of death, someone much like himself who had nothing in that moment while only reaching upward in one last second before it all ends, and staying by this person until the bitter end while understanding once more what it truly meant to save someone he found his answer once more.
This answer fulfilled two of his regrets from life; the man who always wished to save someone like he was saved yet was only able to protect the status quo for those unbeknownst of danger, and the man who only ever saw troubled faces for all eternity and hell could finally see and understand first hand the gratitude of the one he saved.
It's either the best or second best answer he could receive, with the other answer of course being dueling it out with his younger self and remembering his convictions from childhood while understanding once more that it wasn't a mistake.
Homura isn't selfish, but she only cares about Madoka. Since Madoka cares for everyone (even if it's to her detriment), they're at an impasse
Only if you disregard your bullshit false paradigm of selfish vs selfless as the judgment for anything good.
Only then can you come to the conclusion how I view both Madoka and Homura as fully realized, similar, human characters.
Your "complicated, dynamic characterization" is calling what Homura an "abusive drunk". How can you not see something wrong with that?
Rebellion is a worthy follow up but not necessary, I think that is an important difference to point out.
>How can you not see something wrong with that?
You missed the point of the comparison. I gave you a parallel circumstance to which there was no easy, or even correct answer.
Stay with the abuser, you likely wind up dead and full of regret. Leave them, you have to endure the guilt of not helping them and possibly even watching them spiral to their own miserable end. Place your hand out and very likely, it will be bitten off, if not be used to drag you down with the person drowning in hubris and indulgement.
Compare to Homura, who at the core desperately wished for Madoka's well-being. And fought for that status, only to find that the game was not only rigged, but the odds stacked against her. Nonetheless, she ventures on dauntless, making cruel decision after cruel decision to herself and others, and ending up back at square one more times than she can count.
To a point where all she can do is move forward, as it's now a question of her own survival, on top of Madoka. And then in the end, Madoka herself snatches away all possibilities of salvation.
Or so she thinks until once again the deck is scaled even higher, and she now has nowhere to move. Cornered, knowing that surrender means enslavement for someone else, but self-destruction would lead to an eternity of damnation in a cage of her own design...she takes an unforseen third option and all the drawbacks that it ensues.
It's no easy choice for her. No quick fix. No bubbleyummy healing light. That's the parallel I was drawing. Which would be the choice you would make, given the chance to walk in her shoes? How do you come to decide, facing such pressing and staggering circumstances? How would you live with that decision?
It's a very exhausting, but exhilarating exercise.
Yeah, definitely. The series stands on it's own just fine and needs no follow up. It's not like the story was half-baked and needed to sit in the over for a few more hours. Rebellion is a logical and worthy extension though.
>what's so bad about rewriting a terrible universe, it's the same thing as what Madoka did
Ask the people who had absolutely zero say in the matter.
Yeah, I always liked this couple
Is there any way for them to be happy together when their ideals are in such conflict?
The universe that Madoka created wasn't a terrible one, it was just terrible for Homura.
Homura did want to save all of them originally, but the more she realized that was impossible the more she narrowed her goal to fit the one thing she wouldn't give up here. Maybe it's not possible with her power to grant them all happiness since her power once discovered is actually quite meager, but she can at least do what she set out to do and honor the one promise she made above all others.
She lacked the ability to give them all their happy ending, she kind of gave up on it a bit after time-line two or three(Mami shooting them all up put a slight damper on her spirits), but she at least tried to honor what she believed she could like a pragmatist.
People do it in real life all the time. If your love matters enough to you, then you find a way to make it work.
Reminder that the Russians fixed Homora.
>Ask the people who had absolutely zero say in the matter.
You mean like Homura and Madoka's family?
No, Homura will fall at the hands of our real Godness
Based Homura making people so angry that they'll do stuff like this. Hahahaha. Your tears are delicious. Homura wins. keep crying.
Do you not get that this makes more sense as a pre-Rebellion scene?
"Tatsuya... I'm sorry... But this time I will save her for real. I promise you, you will get to hug your sister again!"
The abusive drunk comparison is still fucking wrong, no matter how you try to rationalize it.
Homura is protecting Madoka, and Madoka is protecting Homura in many ways. They are not attacking each other.
>Which would be the choice you would make, given the chance to walk in her shoes? How do you come to decide, facing such pressing and staggering circumstances? How would you live with that decision?
Are you talking about Rebellion or the series? In the series Madoka made the best possible choice, she was not afraid of her decision because Homura protected her for so long. Not sure about Rebellion.
Thing is, she doesn't think Kyouko is awesome. She think she's a thief. She only loves Kamijou, who NTR'd her. Because she's straight. As far as I can tell, she may well be the only one of the five girls who almost certainly isn't a dyke, in fact.
anti-Homura fags confirmed for being brainwashed by the left liberal fakers trying to portray Russia as anti-gay.
Madoka's universe was -far- from perfect. This is stated multiple times so that thick people like you can get it into your head.
Hope still leads to despair and the world is still a bittersweet, zero-sum place.
Madoka's message was that it's wrong to give up hope, even in the darkest of times. She didn't actually give anyone a better life, she just removed the dead megucas from the cruelty of the cycle.
A damaging and obsessive relationship would be a better comparison, reminds me a little of Punpun and Aiko, they can't live without the other and always end up attracting each other no matter what but that will be the end of them.
Your butthurt is showing. At this point I'm wondering if you're actually baiting.
topkek keep crying
Something has to be attacked in order to be protected. Lest we forget, this was a thing that happened (pic related).
So, going by your words and rationale, both girls are protecting one another. Then, who is the attacker? Kyuubey? He's the instigator at most, and does get his shots in, but it's evident almost from episode 1 that the one that stands to antagonize and bring harm to Madoka's ideals is Homura. And the biggest obstacle to Homura seeking Madoka's salvation is, in fact, Madoka herself. Just as it is implied that they have spent time protecting one another, they have also been harming and attacking one another.
Idealistic and "stupid" as she may claim to be, that's still the truthful and honest Madoka. Even when she becomes well-informed, she ultimately does NOT stray from this path. Being told point-blank by QB that the best way not to be tricked or betrayed by your wishes is to not even make the wish in the first place, she still feels it her place to make a wish to save and guide the souls of all Puella Magi.
Saves the world, completely damns Homura's feelings and that helping hand that had been reaching out for Madoka for so very long.
The drunk analogy was heavy-handed, but the comparison was legit. They both abuse one another, and its put on-screen for everyone to see. Obviously not to the extremes of domestic violence, but still to its own extremes.
I didn't say it was perfect, I said that isn't terrible, and if you can't see the good it does not become a horrible monster that devoured people then there's something wrong with you.
Well, that's not exactly fair. It is easier to cooperatively fight wraiths than witches, since you can divide the spoils and there's no fear of your teammates becoming monsters and trying to kill you.
The thing is, the message of hope that people love so much is a statement about Madoka as a character, not about the nature of the world. Basically, it's that Madoka insists that it's not wrong to hope, no matter how bleak things get. It is not that now hope will actually get you what you want. The final Sayaka scene in ep12 is meant to clarify this distinction.
Among others, but yeah.
Right, but when did Homura undo this? She says the LoC is left untampered with, and the presence of wraiths supports as much.
You can argue about what Madoka wants insofar as being a God or living a happy life with her family, but I don't think Homura's universe was created in opposition to anything Madoka stood for.
She's still fighting for the world Madoka tried to protect. It's way too early to give up on Homura.
Yes, Kyubey is the primary problem. Magical girls are the problem. Homura is not attacking Madoka's ideals, she doesn't lock her in a fucking basement. She just doesn't want her to die based on her promise made in time line 3.
Yes, eventually, Madoka has to make a decision to save meguca kind and Homura herself. Obviously that's better than letting Homura die. She is not attacking Homura by doing this either.
I would say she does not "damn Homura's feelings", this is your stupid interpretation. She does the best she can, and tells Homura not to give up hope.
The drunk analogy is still fucking wrong, the comparison completely discredits your ridiculous point of view.
I'm sure Madoka would rather have an abusive relationship than none at all, which is what Homura sought to. Not even Madoka can save Homura from the fires of hell when the time comes, that was the whole point of the devil transformation.
Fuck me, meant for >>101661362
Right, and that message of hope isn't damaged at all by Rebellion--in fact, it's the very opposite.
Homura is prepared to give up hope in order to protect Madoka, but the latter reminds her that it's wrong to give up hope, no matter what.
What Homura does afterward isn't done out of despair alone, nor is it purely driven by her hope. She uses both in tandem, and that's what creates the Soul Orb.
It's still not a good comparison, but at least it avoids the "no idea what I'm doing I'm high as fuck time for abuse" implication, seriously what the shit?
>reminds me a little of Punpun and Aiko
Oh god please no I can't do it again
A good analogy helps people understand better; a bad analogy does more to muddle than to clarify. I think the drunk analogy is definitely an example of the latter.
The people you hurt the most are usually the ones closest to you. That's mostly because they are the ones most sensitive to and most affected by your actions and circumstances. It's not something unique to MadoHomu.
Addiction is quite another matter, with a host of special issues -- the biggest being that a person is in an important sense not their true self when they are lost in the influence (or lost in the craving for it).
/u/ plz go and stay gone
I agree, I'm just saying people shouldn't understate what Madoka's wish achieved. It's kind of like software development: every new version is (or should be) an overall improvement, but inevitably will also introduce new bugs. The best you can do is try to fix the bugs without breaking the new functionality.
Take of the tumblrgoggles, anon.
I swear, we should just start every meguca thread with Junko screencaps to get this out of the way
>She says the LoC is left untampered with
Homura has said a lot of shit that doesn't end up being true over the years and she isn't omniscient, until we have a clear confirmation that the Law of Cycles is not broken I will not change my opinion that you can't remove the central part of a machine and expect that machine to keeps running smoothly.
Because at some point Madoka is gonna have to slap that dumb bitch for being a complete shithead.
I just really want to see Madoka pushed so hard that she finally decides to stop being Magical Girl Jesus.
I didn't call it abuse, the other anon made the abuse analogy.
That particular meme is probably a tumblr invention, you're probably right.
>Madoka pushed so hard that she finally decides to stop being Magical Girl Jesus.
That has already happened. See timeline 3.
I guess you think Madoka is a dumb bitch and a shithead too.
>I just really want to see Madoka pushed so hard that she finally decides to stop being Magical Girl Jesus.
First, again--wraiths still a thing, even though the universe was rewritten and therefore everything in history reoccurred. If the LoC wasn't working, wraiths would never have come to be, because there would be witches around.
Also, I see it as Ep12 portrayed it. Madoka as a human is simply the archer who fired the arrows. She doesn't need to direct them once she's fired them.
>Madoka becomes an even worse demon than Homura
>Homura blames herself for it and completely dies inside, but can't die physically
What the fuck is with all these /b/-tier edgy underage faggots
>not loving Homura
>not forgiving Homura for anything
It can't be my stupid interpretation if this is what the character says herself. While floating naked. And crying.
You're also overlooking the numerous threats and one-sided arguments Homura has held with Madoka, and the two times she absolutely broke down on the girl—both times of which Madoka awkwardly, blithely went and did the exact opposite of what Homura wanted and needed Madoka to do.
Not every attack needs be direct. That should be evident itself given this is from Japan, a nation whose language prides itself on round-about paths in order to obtain a 'meaning'.
I think that now you're being obtuse to canon itself in order to prolong this argument. It's fine if you disagree with me, but don't misrepresent canon.
Yeah, I detest the tendency to make everything about 'victims and aggressors.' No, it's a side-by-side juxtaposition.
That said, I've started lurking tumblr and as expected, it's nothing like the stereotype. Sure, it's full of nerdy and often LGBT teenage girls, but the 'cis scum' thing is just an example of a vocal bigoted minority.
I don't know what you're referring to but I guarantee your buzzword analogy is retarded. If someone is being an idiot, don't bring yourself down to their level.
Sealdoka will save Homu
Forgiveness doesn't matter, Homura already condemned herself from madoka's love and there's nothing Madoka can do but watch in horror as she destroys herself.
>she doesn't lock her in a fucking basement.
Yes, an ugly basement is not good, is not place worthy of Madoka, she deserves better, she deserves the universe, she deserves the most beautiful cage of all.
>I don't know what you're referring to
If you're new here, underage edgy kids are on /b/. You know, those 13 year olds who take picture of themselves beating up animals and smoking and shit like that?
>don't bring yourself down to their level.
point taken. It's just difficult to ignore retards. Which is part of the reason you felt obligated to reply to me.
>point taken. It's just difficult to ignore retards. Which is part of the reason you felt obligated to reply to me.
double point taken, anon. sorry. you didn't quote anyone so I couldn't tell if you were making a valid claim or were just using ad hominem.
>It can't be my stupid interpretation if this is what the character says herself. While floating naked. And crying.
Yes, it is your stupid interpretation, it is not Madoka damning Homura's feelings, it's Madoka reassuring Homura that she'll be okay, and for Homura to not give up hope.
>You're also overlooking the numerous threats and one-sided arguments Homura has held with Madoka
That's not an argument Homura is making, it's a threat to try and keep Madoka from being involved with magical girls.
>blithely went and did the exact opposite of what Homura wanted and needed Madoka to do.
Madoka stopped making a contract(sacrificing herself), but she obviously still wanted to help Sayaka even if it seems hopeless. Homura succeeded her, she got through to Madoka and Madoka didn't make a contract.
I guess the other time you're thinking about is Madoka going out to save Homura in episode 11? Another reason this "but she hurts her feelings" point of view is stupid as fuck, you're basically arguing that Madoka should not have gone out to save Homura because it might hurt her feelings.
You're not representing canon, you're just holding onto your stupid interpretation that Homura and Madoka are simply hurting each other, and not fighting to protect one another from a terrible fate.
man, I never liked that shit. I remember '05 /b/'s obsessing with cute asians killing cats. Fuck that.
Language is a fun thing. You can easily put together something that is syntactically valid but logically incoherent. I would have gone with "the corner of a circle" myself, but your example works too.
I wasn't aware this had been uploaded to YouTube--thanks, Anon.
You may be gone by now, but I usually keep tabs open on threads until they die.
She's a universal force, however. And all of those forces work at a constant to keep the universe functioning as it does.
Therefore, it must be assumed that her efficiency is best when 100% of her being is devoted to the job. One can conclude that there must be SOMETHING wrong with the new universe if Homura took even the smallest thousandth of that efficiency away to suit her own needs.
Any tiny distortion can cause massive waves. Whatever amount Homura took was enough to, again, reboot the -entire- universe. It'd be foolish, then, to assume that everything is as it was before when the LoC was at 100%. That's obviously not the case, and cannot be implied to be the case until the creators themselves come up and say "Homura ultimately changed nothing".
You do realize that tumblr and its shittiness is entirely too big for one person to search, right? Just like one person cannot be in every thread in every board on 4chan.
Your view is severely limited.
how do you even search that shit
its like one giant spamblog fest
Don't worry Homura, you can live out a happy life until you realize the grave error you made. Then you can die miserably as Madoka tries to save you and fails miserably.
Unrelated to this thread, but who is your favorite tripfag /a/?
That wraiths exist only confirms that the Law of Cycles is still running, no that isn't broken, they are two different things, and is especially noticeable when we see things that under the full authority of the law shouldn't exist at all.
Komeiji. The man was a legend.
Do you actually understand the message I was trying to convey or are you speaking out of 'm-muh boogeymen mentality'?
I don't think tumblr needs to be brought up as a subject and 1Mb color-filtered .gifs don't belong her. But the mentality of "us vs. them" is wrong every time, no matter which 'side' you claim to be on.
Bear I guess. They're all mostly bad though
tumblr pls go.
But Madoka is made of infinite hope. Surely she can find a way to save Homura, or at least for them to both exist as goddesses. Madoka can be the goddess of hope, and Homura can be the goddess of love.
Or everyone dies. That's cool too.
well he is asian. If only sayaka wished he had a bigger dick, things would be much better. for one he wouldnt give 2 shits about music he can never play again. secondly, he would notice sayaka wants the D. finally, he would not be able to masturbate effectively, leaving him but one avenue for his sexual desire's.
Taiga was my favorite tripfag to hate. I would mention old /v/ tripfags, but there were too many of them to the point where it was actually a problem and they actually made /v/ a worse place to be in.
I have my own tangent. Have any Homufags been keeping up with KLK? Satsuki just had a fucking brutal moment on tonight's episode. She's similar to Homura's character in a lot of ways.
It's really cool when the character who usually bottles everything up decides to remove their limited and unbridled rage comes bursting forth in destructive beauty, like a bullet hole in an airplane.
>it's Madoka reassuring Homura that she'll be okay, and for Homura to not give up hope.
What Madoka said and how reality reacted are two different things. That's what ends up cornering Homura at the very end of all of this (Rebellion). In fact, Madoka says something opposite of the ideal that caused her to make the wish that became the Law of Cycles, further driving Homura into that corner.
>That's not an argument Homura is making, it's a threat to try and keep Madoka from being involved with magical girls.
No, it's a very clear argument she makes, and evolves into threats at times as Homura takes on, again, the biggest obstacle to the goal of protecting Madoka: Madoka herself.
>Homura succeeded her, she got through to Madoka and Madoka didn't make a contract.
Inevitably? Homura failed (and failed hard). Immediately? She disturbed Madoka enough that the option to use a wish to save Sayaka was forgotten (a wish she clearly makes in another timeline). Regardless, Madoka STILL did the opposite of what Homura wanted her to do, and even vocalized this much to the girl having a breakdown.
Hurt feelings have nothing to do with intent and goal. Homura's goal, then and there, was ensure Madoka survived as a human no matter the cost. Easily evident from the way Homura was openly (probably for the first time Madoka had witness), desperately pleading for Madoka to just stay away from the fight and let Homura take care of everything.
Madoka's goal was to ensure Homura's endless fight didn't come to a tragic end...to take responsibility for all the tragedy that destroyed Puella Magi. Two ends that ran polar opposites of one another. Hurt feelings in that regard are negligible when the bigger truth is for Homura having to fail against Walpurgis, then fail to stop Madoka from making a wish yet again...and for this to be the greatest and final wish is something beyond even heart-breaking.
Tumblr, you aren't accepted here. Go back to /u/ or /lgbt/.
>She's similar to Homura's character in a lot of ways.
And at this point, it's obvious we're not going to see eye-to-eye on the matter. Though it's been interesting to see this point of view, I will admit.
Keep up the good fight, anon.
>Madoka is made of infinite hope
Not anymore she's not.
>Parroting the same shit in every thread makes me more correct!
Over Homura's dead body.
No, seriously. You can stay if you want, but at leas try to assimilate and respect /a/. No one would pester you if you did that.
>god is dead
>god is hope
>hope is dead
>homura really blew it this time
>she's doomed herself and maybe Madoka to despair and suffering
I still want to think everything will be okay.
Homura can't dead anymore. She doesn't even have a soul gem to break.
>not believing in the redemption.
>doubting the size of Madoka's heart
Nor does she have a soul gem to purify. She's deader than dead.
Redemption doesn't make someone a magical girl again and possible to save.
He/She's the only one that uses their trip appropriately.
>Redemption doesn't make someone a magical girl again
That's fine. No one wants that anyway.
>Madoka says something opposite of the ideal that caused her to make the wish that became the Law of Cycles, further driving Homura into that corner.
Sure, but it's not Madoka damning Homura's feelings. She acknowledges her feelings and efforts with the space hug and ribbons, and then has to go reorder the universe. She doesn't really have a choice.
>the biggest obstacle to the goal of protecting Madoka: Madoka herself.
Sure, but you completely discount Kyubey and the contract, and instead try to make it into this Homura vs Madoka thing, like Homura is attacking Madoka or Madoka is attacking Homura. It's simply not the case.
>Regardless, Madoka STILL did the opposite of what Homura wanted her to do, and even vocalized this much to the girl having a breakdown.
This is again your interpretation, it's not about how sad Homura is, it's about how Madoka is sacrificing herself. However you want to portray it as, Homura did get through to Madoka, and Madoka did not contract with QB again. She also did not blame Homura when grieving over Sayaka's corpse, but rather Kyubey later on.
Homura's goal, then and there, was ensure Madoka survived as a human no matter the cost. Easily evident from the way Homura was openly (probably for the first time Madoka had witness), desperately pleading for Madoka to just stay away from the fight and let Homura take care of everything.
Of course, but obviously Homura doesn't want to just die and give up on Madoka either.
She did not fail, her efforts gave Madoka the time and power to make the perfect wish. I'm sure you can argue about what failure is, but the point is it did make a huge difference, it did prevent the worst outcome(Homura dying/Madoka witch).
I would just say just try to look at the bigger picture. It feels like too many people fall into this mistake of only looking at the individual to explain everything.
But if she's dead, how is she controlling her body?
Surely she can't be dead yet.
Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Rebellion OST CD
1.once we were[1:10]
4.nice to meet you[1:15]
5.nothing special, but so special[1:10]
8.one for all[1:27]
10.the battlle is over[0:51]
12.something, everything is wrong[2:40]
13.raise the curtain[1:13]
14.never get there[2:31]
16.face the truth[1:34]
18.gonna fight with me[1:10]
21.where is the truth?[0:59]
22.pulling my own weight[1:55]
26.never leave you alone[4:53]
27.this is the truth[1:24]
28.flame of despair[1:58]
29.now he is[0:55]
30.you are here[1:49]
33.the worst ending[1:34]
34.I cursed myself[2:09]
35.this is my despair[1:38]
36.theater of a witch[0:46]
37.we're here for you[2:23]
38.take your hands[1:46]
39.wings of relief[2:01]
40.I was waiting for this moment[1:47]
41.her new wings[2:48]
42.solve the riddle[1:38]
43.I think this world is precious[1:52]
Fuck me again, forgot my meme arrow
I hate everyone. I'm going to sleep.
This is potentially erroneous as there are typos and some dude from the wiki determined there are 3 tracks unaccounted for.
Also, the lack of source.
Really hoped for a longer version for this one. I've been dying to hear Holy Quintet in good quality again though; the wait is too long.
>but at least try to assimilate and respect /a/.
But that's exactly what I was saying
>I don't think tumblr needs to be brought up as a subject and 1Mb color-filtered .gifs don't belong here.
You ignored what I said because it was irrelevant to your assumptions, but I was saying that tumblr culture doesn't belong on /a/, and it never will.
>but at least try to assimilate and respect /a/.
There's a difference between common culture and crowd psychology.
For example, if a foreigner in Japan is unaware of the customs there and they make themselves look like an ass, they should be corrected, right? However, the wrong way to go about this is for a Japanese person to see this and call all foreigners uncultured scum whose swords are inferior to superior Japanese steel.
I won't be responding again because metashit. I've said my two cents.
This is the source
Homura is like the phoenix at this point. Think about Rebellion -- she shoots herself in the head, then she shoots her (fake) soul gem, then she witches out, then she breaks her real soul gem. And that's not even touching all the death/suicide imagery.
In keeping with the whole "equal opposites" thing, Madokami and Akuma Homura represent two different answers to death: death --> heaven vs. death --> rebirth.
Well, then we are fucked. It also lacks the keeki song.
>god is dead
>god is hope
>hope is dead
I don't want to beat the existential horse that died last night, but that's not what 'Gott ist tot' means at all, anon.
Fuck off tumblr, nobody want you here.
Agreed on the death/rebirth thing, but you don't need to use phoenix as the symbol for that. The salamander is a symbol for the same thing and it's what Rebellion uses.
Like I said, the sauce has typos too and some of the track times are way off by like 30 seconds. So they might have miscopied it.
>It also lacks the keeki song
Did you REALLY think that was gonna be on there?
>Did you REALLY think that was gonna be on there?
I HAVE HOPE ANON.
>every time Homura dies we get an even more fucked up Homu
IT HAD DAMN WELL BETTER BE
I figured if people understood the salamander symbolism, then we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.
Don't worry, just rip the audio from the BD for that with no worry about quality. I've got shitloads of Madomagi FLAC OSTs so I'm gonna host it all as one hideous super rar once this OST comes out. I can stick that one in as well, if you'd like.
>tfw no kyoko to fuck
Now guys, lets be serious. Will we have a continuation of the plot (second season or movie)?
Don´t joke about money or post "Homura is the end" I think it will be more, not only because Homura´s actions but because Madoka is supposed to be divided in two: the human with erased memories and the Godness somewhere (or at least that´s what I understood after seeing the movie, feel free to correct me).
I'll take what I can get, thank you very much.
Yeah, fair enough.
My money is on a movie that wraps up the mess of Rebellion, and a SoL tv show that's basically the drama CDs with more animation.
The plot isn't finished of course, so we'll get more. There's also plenty of money to be made; that's not a joke.
I just want another movie if it means they can convince Gen to come back for it. We don't need another Gargantia situation.
She has literally done nothing bitchy. Also she is cute and goes well with Mami.
No way. Lily is the most fucked up; Akuma is closer to normal Homu by comparison.
They have all but outright stated they are just waiting on a worthy script.
I think we can all agree that Sayaka is wrong 98% of the time, but goddamn she can pull off a cape. Post Sayaka doing cape things.
no one wants that
Useless fucking BITCH.
As always, Dualism is my response. Rebellion didn't finish anything or overwrite the series ending. It simply set up Homura in juxtaposition to Madoka.
So, what they could do with the sequel depends. If Madoka and Homura are to be together, they have to move past their polarity. They can't have a happy ending without compromising.
Don't provoke it.
We'd better have a continuation. I can't handle not knowing.
But doesn't that just mean normal Homu is really fucked in the head?
It looks better as Homura's blanket.
Madoka can apparently re-awaken her powers, so I think the splitting illustration was meant to show that Madoka was taken out of the law of cycles without destroying it, not that there are now two Madokas.
>The plot isn't finished of course
How? Because they haven't shown the ultimate Ragnarok?
Homura's story is done. Madoka and Sayaka's stories are safely concluded. The same goes for Mami and Kyouko. As far as PMMM from their points of view goes, there's nowhere else you can take them without it being considerable pandering or sheer not wanting to admit the prime has past for those heroines.
There are other stories, yeah, but not for those five. All the juicy angles you could want are on display. Even your slice of life types got their wish with the movie. Time to move on to new subjects.
That's cute useless fucking bitch to you, you hobo.
Fuck Urobuchi, is no longer fit for the job, we need details, exposition, character interaction and explain in detail the new world, Urobuchi suck in all that.
I only want her for cape work though. Her cape work is really cool.
Cute but not as good as the cape.
>the mentality of "us VS them" is wrong every time, no matter which "side" you claim to be on
Whatever the fuck you say, I fort one fully support a clearly defined stigma or intolerance towards a specific demographic in the name of setting standards and applaud /a/ for doing just this.
Then it wasn´t literally a division. So the "part of the Law of Cycles" that Homura stole was human-Madoka?
>I post Sayaka because I like her, not to make others mad
I can't find the one of both Kyouko and Sayaka doing this, but here's this one.
I have class in the morning, so I've got to head out soon. Aside from specific points in the narrative, the ending was written for the sake of a sequel according to the staff. If you can't figure it out, I'm sorry.
I have no idea what you're going on about.
>But doesn't that just mean normal Homu is really fucked in the head?
I wouldn't go that far. She's definitely traumatized. Think about the life she has had to endure. Anyone would have PTSD after all that. Still she pushes on. She's a high-functioning variant of whatever disorder(s) she has accumulated.
Of course she can stay!
>begin planning murder suicide of family
>be sure to blame Kyoko's evil devil magic in suicide note.
>just doing my part to fight entropy
Go suck some dicks for cheese, slut.
Homura and Madoka's stories are far from done. They were wrapped up nicely after episode 12, but everything is fucked now.
I need my answers, damn it.
If Homu is so cool, why doesn't she believe in justice?
For some reason I can only imagine Mami with a cheese grater putting cheese on her pussy to tempt Nagisa when I read this post.
Most of the cast is "dead" at this point, it doesn't stop any of them.
Superpowers can be used for good or for awesome. She chose awesome.
"Until then, Mario Kart~!"
Madoka is so cute.
It's written as an open ending. This leaves it open for a sequel, sure, but if you ask me, more importantly it leaves it open to fan interpretation and doujin works. The anime industry is learning from popular fandoms like 2hu and Kancolle that being ambiguous and leaving shit open to interpretation is more powerful than any pandering.
I guess so. According to post-Rebellion interviews, the law of cycles is still in play, wraiths still exist.
It would be cool to have Madoka be half-awaken or something, just to have some idea of what Homura has been through instead of being completely clueless, but not enough that she has to return to obeying the law of cycles.
Sayaka a best, capes a best
Why does this shit even exist?
Kyubey repeatedly stated he only ever withheld information when nobody bothered to ask for it.
He was no scum in the slightest, he had a job to do and he got it done without any emotions to burden him, a pramatist in the purest form.
I'm sick of these faggots, posting some based Coobie.
I'll put in Homura humming Mada Dame yo too.
>Everything Homura says has some depressing subtext
>It all flies right over Madoka's head
Wow, how perfect. It's just like their relationship in the first several episodes.
And just like back then, I want to cry seeing it. Stop the suffering train, please. I need to get off.
Sayaka a slut
You have something against Mami's cheese fountain, hobo?
>return to obeying the law of cycle
Wait. She IS the Law of Cycles
Sayaka can be a cute. Is this from anthology which is impossible to find online in English.
Now let's not get crazy, she has one of the best capes in anime though.
Saya, what are you doing?!
You're a hero, you're supposed to FIGHT evil!
Are you implying Kyouko is not cute?
There is no getting off the suffering train. Its only destination is Homu. We all homu now.
>Implying Kyubey did anything wrong
Without Kyubey, Mami would be dead, Kyouko would have starved to death, Sayaka would have been permanently friendzoned, and then everyone else would've died when that witch showed up.
You're fucking welcome, Madoka.
>and then everyone else would've died when that witch showed up.
No. That was QBs fault too.
>A witch that would have shown up no matter what is Kyubey's fault
Entropy Internet Defense Force, please go.
Apparently not. Law of cycles still works, perhaps Madoka needed to put it into place but maybe she doesn't have to specifically direct it full time.
It's Madoka's work, Madoka's law, but not Madoka herself.
>Stop the suffering train.
This gave me the best idea for a metaphor comic. I wish I could draw.
>We see a train with the words "SUFFERING" superimposed on the side
>All of the megucas are on a train, and Homura is the conductor. We don't see Homura's face, just the back of her head.
>Madoka is in a stewardess outfit and she stands up and addresses the other girls. "We're coming up to the last stop! Everyone prepare to disembark."
>Homura turns around in her conductor's seat, we see she is missing the top of her head because she is actually Homulilly. "THERE ARE NO BREAKS ON THE SUFFERING TRAIN"
Witches don't exist without contracts.
The ride never ends
She tried, and she lost.
But the witch wouldn't have shown up without Coobs.
Still, his isolation field is what allowed Homura to AI YO.
Wait, people ship Mami and Kyoko now?
How the fuck this makes sense? Could someone explain this to me? Keep in mind I'm someone who hasn't watched Madoka and only knows what he knows from reading pieces of threads on the frontpage
Next luminous when?
I can't believe they are not going to use this transformation.
Just what are you trying to imply here?
Sayaka has fallen to the corruption.
It's Mami-san's time to shine.
Saving the universe since the beginning of time, fucking BASED.
Read "The Different Story" and make sense of it yourself, bastard.
It's from one of Yawaragi Bin's doujins.
I still can't find the one with both of them doing it. My KyouSaya folder is 11GB, so it's a bit hard to find specific items sometimes.
In some of the expanded work they're given a history together. The pairing has been there for some people since the drama CD.
Why do you all worship this shitty show?
Yeah, not everyone can do both like Mami.
Mumi can't tempt the devil with cake.
>My KyouSaya folder is 11GB
If it makes you happy I'm currently downloading the series and movies.
Noted. I'll be sure to read at some point.
Thanks for a kind reply anon.
Bullshit, kaki is the solution to all problems in life.
>"Let's open the once-closed door"
>"I'll pierce the shadowy veil of unease"
OH FUCK NIGGER
This shit was supposed to be about Homura
Is it really about Madoka!?
Is Connect about post-Rebellion!? Did they really not plan this shit? Am I being rused!?
what the fuck
Even the devil herself would break for some of Mami's delicious cake.
>QB did everything right
>Everyone still hates him for it and only posts the girls
He works his ass off to save the universe, the least he could get is a Incubator thread every now and then.
Is Kyoko the least popular Madoka in Japan?
Stop being retarded, it means nothing.
I read this as Kaiki is the the solution to all problems in life and just imagined this. What kind of bullshit would he throw at QB?
So you're saying your girlfriend is homeless?
We don't take strays, Sayaka. Go to your room. Your girlfriend can sleep at the station.
Nah, that's Sayate.
That's the thing, anon. Rebellion works perfectly as a sequel to the series. It connects flawlessly.
That's why the naysayers have to bring up meta shit like "muh pandering" and "$hinbo", because they are unable to, within the reference frame of the story, explain why Rebellion is not a worthy continuation of the franchise.
There's a reason why we have Death of the Author.
Needs a Homura saying "god damn it Madoka" at the end.
I'm a law student; anime is the only joy I have left in life. Kyouko and Sayaka are of particular interest to me though.
That's the one.
Rebellion follows the series perfectly and is pretty good, but you'd be lying if you said there's not some pandering thrown in there.
I think it's effective.
The answers are right in front of you and you're too terrified to look at them.
Face reality, hikkimori. Infinite hope means infinite despair. Both will cancel one another out in a zero-sum game.
You shouldn't take it so hard. Even the least popular meguca is still a very popular character. Also, look on the bright side, she sells more than Nagisa!
Now you're just trying to make him feel bad.
If this is true, that is actually beyond adorable.
Despair of Human could make them extinct?
Luminous is too sad. We're all about the butt-bump now.
Whoa whoa whoa. That's how megucas get pregnant.
>create hope enough to save a handful of girls
>the equivalent despair is enough to consume entire planets
damn causality wat r u doin
No its not.
There is also a story where all megucas go to the beach, Homura has never go before and ask Mami to help her buy a swimsuit, at the end Mami realizes that nobody invited her to the beach.
I'm expecting the sequel to deconstruct the butt bump next.
Madoka tries to butt bump AkuHomu, and the latter just gives her a weird look and walks away silently.
>at the end Mami realizes that nobody invited her to the beach.
I must admit I'm rather curious as to whether this implies a simple mating ritual between 2 cute little girls might result in a fucking EXPLOSION.
damn what the hell is going on
If a meguca shows her love for you and you don't reach out and let them know you feel the same back, it could result in AI YO.
This universe cannot take many more AI YO.
In Radio Drama CD 4 where the megucas actually to go the beech there was this female cat who kept trying to rub up against QB as if in heat.
QB answers something like "Do you wish to mate with me? I'm sorry but we can't, as we are not the same species."
Just wanted to bring up the fact that, during Kyouko and Sayaka's initial encounter, it's subtle but Kyouko got pissed off when Sayaka started talking about Mami. It's less of a general anger and more of a 'you've only known her for a short while, what the hell do you know' kind of thing.
>a handful of girls
Millions, dude. Every magical girl ever. That's a lot.
Pretty sure that's one of the mascots of Precure.
Mami, you are so middle school student.
I was talking about the translation and scaling problems. I don't give a crap about this franchise.
Fuck that, we need a deconstruction of the deconstruction of these moments.
Butt bump will be the New Thing that brings them together again.
I love Madoka, do you?
Yes because my waifu loves her and we are very similar in personalities.
Of course I love Madoka. What kind of monster wouldn't?
I do, I love her and I love the whole series.
I was just thinking about the series themes and how they apply to my own life when I realized something.
If not for all of the people who call Rebellion pandering shit and a cashgrab, I never would have tried to hard to put the movie into perspective. So really, I have to thank all of the Rebellion haters. Because of our conflicts, I came out with an even deeper love for this movie. Thanks.
>pandering to pandering fags
I hate her!
You sound like such a hipster faggot, kill yourself.
>at the end Mami realizes that nobody invited her to the beach.
The saddest of Mamis.
I love you too anon. You complete me.
STOP TUMMY PUNCHING!
You've done it now.
Girls can love girls bitch.
>yfw schoolgirl Kyouko
How come nobody loves Mami?
I would hug the shit out of her.
"The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming."
Mada dame yo.
Say that to her fist!
Because everyone is jealous of Mami-san and her wonderful cakes and absolutely impeccable senses of style. They just wish they could sit down and make a cup of tea as good as she can and they're all really jealous of her amazing drills and fabulous magic ability.
She's simply too amazing and cool for anyone to handle.
Was getting caught part of Madoka's plan?
“You’ll hunt me. You’ll condemn me. Set the dogs on me. Because that’s what needs to happen. Because sometimes truth isn’t good enough. Sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded.”
“A hero can be anyone, even a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat on a young boy’s shoulders to let him know the world hadn’t ended.”
I told you guys Junko is Homura's inspiration.
>Ahhh you think suffering is your ally? You mealy adopted to suffering. I was born in it, moulded by it. I did not see hope until I was already a witch and by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!"
I really wish Mami would be from a Precure series or something, she really doesn't receives the attention she deserves in this fucking franchise.
Why is Homura such garbage? How could she do that to Madoka? Fucking selfish bitch should go find the nearest cliff.
What are you going on about? Mami is loved by Madoka fans.
>Mami will never get her own spin-off prequel where she fights witches and has magical girl adventures before anything in the original series happens
>You will never get to watch her study new skills, finally master the TIRO FINALE, and slowly lose her connection to everyone else as she recedes into crippling loneliness and survivor's guilt
>find the nearest cliff
You think death will stop her?
No, Akemi Homura is gonna become much much more happy from now on. She's not gonna compromise with this. She's gonna take back all the happiness that she lost.
How come Homu shitposting herself is a thing now? Is it just from the tomato throwing?
The best way to get people to defend you is to insult yourself.
It's a fun way to mock shitposters who hate Homura.
Doesn't change the fact that SHAFT treats her like shit.
>Mami will never get her own spin-off prequel
>What is TDS
Read the Witches Artwork booklet
Mami, Kyoko, and now Nagisa could all use a little more time to shine. I hope in the future (if they ever go through with that two cour season) they give them some more screentime. Obviously it still will always be mainly about Homura and Madoka, but yeah.
>>What is TDS
A very sad story that broke my heart and made Mami my favorite character.
Homu needs some good hugs
New character just to keep her company
Yeah, they are just awful to her.
"When their enemies were at the gates, the Romans would suspend democracy and appoint one man to protect the city. It wasn't considered an honor, it was considered a public service. "
Dammit, why did anon start this? I feel impure for doing this.
>batfags ruining yet ANOTHER madoka thread
>New character just to keep her company
You mean consolation prize
>Sorry Mami! None of the other megucas like you or want to be your friends! Have this stupid doll and go back to your corner to be irrelevant.
>I can't discredit anything they're saying so I'll make a passive-aggressive greentext post! I'm so cool.
The greentext betrays you, because it belongs to me.
Mami's happiness is fleeting and false. She is eternally fated to be sad. Do not fight the sad Mami.
Discredit? You're just quoting cheesy Nolan writing. It discredits itself. BIG GUY.
I reverse image searched that to get the full picture and something funny happened.
How long prior to the events of the timelines did Mami and Kyoko know each other? I can't seem to remember.
Was a year? Months?
Was getting caught part of Homura's plan?
I want to fuck Madoka
>"I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope."
>My drills hurt
>watched the first 3 episodes again
>mumi still rubs me the wrong way
she dies because she's dumb
Was it part of Qb's? Also, is Qb a big guy?
I wish she'd rub me in all the wrong ways.
N-no, Mami is too pure for that.
I'd prefer some homu homu
The exact time is not confirmed but Mami spend "almost" a year alone, "almost" a year with Kyouko and a few weeks to a month with Madoka/Sayaka/Homura.
Aside from the last bit it sounds like you're just pulling all of that totally out of your ass.
>tfw you will never play as a magical boy
fine, i'll rub myself in the wrong ways
I'm Homu but not in a waifu way. I can only sexualize the other megucas.
>and a few weeks to a month with Madoka/Sayaka/Homura.
38 days assuming she survives to Walpurgis Night, by my calculations
In timeline 5? 11 days.
Go read TDS and Portable then, faggot, Mami was a magical girl for almost 2 years and spend at least two seasons with Kyouko (Winter and presumably Fall).
I'm Homu in a waifu way, but I'm a hell of a lot like her.
>there are people on /a/ who can fap to megucas
Sayaka all the way - not that the other megucas are not worth admiring. Sayaka is just my favorite.
I'm typing up a sex scene between Sayaka and Akuma inside of Kyouko's body right now.
One handed typing is hard
I am a lot like Madoka so I Homu in a waifu way as well. I just want to see her happy.
Wedded bliss anon. The look in my mind of her face while we Luminous while I am in Madoka's body just takes me over the edge.
You're probably like me. 'waifu' is a word I try to stray from as the term has been seen by some as a glorification for escapism.
Rather, I try to use my love for Homura to actually improve myself and get somewhere in the real world.
>I'm going to be okay, mon and dad.
>Mami spend months only talking to her dead parents and a emotionless alien.
>I am a lot like Madoka so I Homu in a waifu way as well. I just want to see her happy.
If I'm Homu and you're Madoka. . . .
But Homura is totally for escapism, she would understand.
After all, is so perverse that he who desires a beautiful dream must be exterminated?
Won't work while we have penises anon.
You know what you must do...
hehe, it's about turning your dreams into reality.
I like all the megucas too. Mami rubs me the wrong way in the series, but that's excusable because Homura was being autistic. She'd be the best meguca to have tea and cake with.
One does not simply happy Homu.
She's certainly got some good character traits to take and apply to yourself.
>homu destroys her dream world
>then makes a dream universe
>But Homura is totally for escapism, she would understand.
Homura change reality anon. How many times must we go over this
Here's an idea guys
Don't listen to the lies of the false prophet, anon, wake up!
Sayate worshiper/justice fag/bitchfag pls go and stay go
Doujinshi tells otherwise
No I mean it won't work for me if we both have penises. In face one penis is one too many.
You don't want to see the rest, it's just passionate sex while they're in character
I read ONE penis doujin, and it ended with Homura going into space after shooting her foot off and her body froze over in space so when she tried to pull a hatch open, her fucking arm shattered.
So, never again. Keep the feels out of my faps, Japan.
I will fight you
That doujin involved penis?
I guess I'm going to have to look that up.
No you. Kyoko isn't real.
>look all those penis worship on /a/
Japan pls. Girls can love girls without a penis.
it's one of the C85 ones. the art is really cute. sadpanda it.
Yeah totally not
No dicking around.
How Can Kyoko Be Real If Chinese Cartoon Are Not Real?
Which is why it's a little bonus when the girl grows a penis
Sure you can do it without, but it appeals to different interest groups with it added on. It's not that giving them a dick makes them a boy or makes it heterosexual, rather it's a different style all together.
Ron Paul will make anime real.
Penises make it more special because they can get pregnant, I'm sure if Madoka gives a child to Homura all her problems will be solved.
How Can Ron Be Real If Tyrone Is Fake
Ravioli ravioli, give me the Homu-oli.
>over 500 posts of tumblr and gaiaonline faggotry again
It sure takes some dedication to pollute the board with this shit every single day.
IPS Cells motherfucker.
Sayaka is love.
you asked for it
But with that they never experience the pleasure of making one themselves.
Pfft, what's more interesting here honestly
Getting a long, extensive, and ultimately impersonal scientific baby injected into them using the impartial and unfeeling method of science. And on the other path we can have Madoka fuck the baby into Homura personally over a nine month period in a very personal way.
There's no heart in the first method in terms of doujinshi, it sounds like the worst plot-line leading up to no sex that I've heard all day.
can they just have sex without producing a million babies, that seems like a burden
Sayaka is life.
but Homura is also love
A baby can cure Homura and I'm sure they will be happy to have one together.
Do you have braindamage?
You don't need to grow a magic dick every time there, just the times when they want to produce the accumulation of their love in terms of offspring.
>"almost" a year
Yep, right out of your ass
Two seasons is half a year, that's almost a full year, why you see the glass half empty, anon?
In the new universe, who has the dick between Sayaka and Kyouko?
There are no dicks anywhere
Write your own fanfic tumblrcunt.
want to post a image reaction
Kyouko has a big spear and the strongest offense.
Sayaka is very resilient, a strong defense with high healing capabilities.
So, no one
You can tell by he chins that this artist has drawn plenty of yaoi in her day.
that's the beauty of double-sided dildos anon
they both give and take