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Why cant Japan even do the archtype of spineless MC well?
Here is a lovable yet spineless MC: Rincewind

Rincewind
>Runs away from so much that he constantly runs into new troubles
>Rejects any form of physical relationship with women in part because he thinks they are potato
>refuses credit for saving world multiple times fearing the backlash of it
>Once the most powerful wizard in Discworld but gave it up
>is too spineless to hide now that he is afraid he will run into new troubles while hiding so he gives himself up
>cant even spell "wizard" right and needs to label himself to feel secure about it
>magical ability so low that it lowers the discworld's magical ability average
>wants to live a boring, mundane life and constantly whines about it

Yet despite his deficiencies, he is a lovable character. Japan produces thousands of such spineless MCs but not much of them are lovable at all.
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Rincewind was the most boring of Pratchett's MCs. That's why he doesn't get any stories anymore.
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Rincewind is actually the protagonist of his own story, whereas a lot of the time in anime the MC is a medium through which to gawp at drawings of attractive women.
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>>101630871
Discworld is out of anime's reach. Enjoy your shitty LNs instead of good adaptation of fun novels.
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>>101630871
spineless MCs are there to sell the girls to Otaku, not for the story
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>>101630871
Sounds like Shinji to me.
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>Rincewind
>Spineless
>Willingly trapped himself in the Dungeon Dimension to save someone.

lmfao faggot op you're so gay. Also Rincewind is the worst Discworld protagonist.
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>>101630970
That's probably just because Pratchett does not remember him
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>>101630871
>>magical ability so low that it lowers the discworld's magical ability average
Anyone below average lowers the average.
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>>101631143
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>>101631143
>Pratchett does not remember him

Rip in pieces
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>>101631172
His job is to be magical ain't it
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>>101631137
Your discworld husbando is shit
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>>101631143
He had no real inner life. He was just the basis for stuff happening.
He debuted in the joke book Color of Magic and he never got much beyond the personality he got there. At least Granny Weatherwax was revisited and got a complete overhaul (and she became awesome for it).
Rincewind has never been more than a joke character.
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>>101631143
The mind is a fragile thing, eh?
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Onl spineless MC I like is Renren from Oofuri. In a baseball manga having a doormat as a pitcher is new and fresh and it allows to give more importance to the field players, catcher and teamwork.
However I can't stand those spineless turds who are supposed to save the world with the help of their magical sexy GF.
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>Rincewind
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>>101631357

lol that's nice kiddo :^)
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>>101630871
I love Shinji
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>>101630970
At least the wizard books are better than the witch ones.
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>>101631525
Shinji isn't spineless. Shinji's just a kid.
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Tiffany is better than the best anime loli. Why is Japan so bad with little girl characters? Actually, why is Japan so bad with fiction?
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>>101630871
Rincewind has spinelessness as a Philosophy though, not merely as a character flaw. That's probably what makes him like-able as a protagonist.
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>>101631143
>that feel
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>>101631569

The wizards are more interesting since they're all lazy pompous fuckups who do nothing but fuck around all day and murder each other.
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>>101631857
And create Earth. Pretty cool guys all around.
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Sometimes I think whoever wrote Hyouka must have read Moving Pictures considering how similar Oreki is to Victor. I heard this on /a/ so might not be true, but apparently in the light novels it's revealed that whole thing victor does with exams and purposefully get the median score.
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>>101631857
Sounds like us, here in 4chan, oddly enough.
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>>101631857
>The wizards are more interesting since they're all lazy pompous fuckups who do nothing but fuck around all day and murder each other.

So, they're more interesting because they are wizards?
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>>101631837
Not on /a/.
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>>101631857
this is incarnation of working in university.
Trust me.
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Man I loved Discworld

Then it turned into cop dramas and technology instead of fucking magic
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>>101632041
Implying Vimes is not fucking great.
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/a/ - CG & Discworld
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>>101631937

Wizards made by "that guy" for your DnD session.
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>>101632085
It got old after a while, his stories should have finished when he married.
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Discworld anime when
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>>101632176
Bitch, NIght Watch and Thud were both fucking great.
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>>101632085
Vimes is the absolute fucking worst, he was always the least interesting character even in his own stories. Reading them was worse than getting through the Rincewind/Twoflower fujoshit chapters.
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>>101632134
I would love it if someone turned up and did that.

All I've got is special snoflake half races and your normal boring shit.

Wizards are best.
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>You will never be arrested and frisked by Angua von Überwald
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>>101632240
Never.

You will get shitty flash or live versions of the books that get everything wrong and you will like them.
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>>101632285
>the Rincewind/Twoflower fujoshit chapters.
You what, mate? Are your yaoi goggles turned up past 11?
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>>101632246
I found Night Watch kinda silly, it would have been better without the whole time travel shenanigans.
I appreciated a novel set in the past with no stupid flinstones technology but we still got no fucking magic or magic beings, just another cop novel.
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>>101632358

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc_uA06tzxg

OH GOD IT BURNS
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>>101632358
I liked the live-action Going Postal adaptation.
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>>101632041
You are a massive faggot hating on vimes
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>>101632396
You may be right, especially considering how crazy the wizards were back then with their war, there could have been a lot of magical shit happening.
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>>101632246
Night Watch should have been the last one. It was a perfect ending to Vimes arc.

Thud! was enjoyable, felt like a retread of a lot of his earlier themes.

Snuff was awful.
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>>101632396
I think you're just really picky. You should learn to appreciate each arc for what it is.
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>>101632416
I might have bee a little too harsh on the live versions, but they still cut out too much for my taste.

But Death's voice is pure sex.
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Is Raising Steam good? I got it for christmas but Pratchett books have been shit recently. I can't blame him for that though.
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>>101632479
Agreed.
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>>101632346

I'll actually make a note of this for the next time I play Pathfinder with friends. I'll make a Discworld Wizard and drive everyone nuts.
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>>101631999

Speaking as research staff, I can confirm this. Shit sucks. But at least I can browse /a/ at work all day and noone notices or cares.
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>>101632578
>rolls a 7+1
>gets dragged into the Dungeon Dimensions
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>>101631143
My sides
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>>101632620
>Research Staff

What does that even entail?
Does it pay well?
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>>101630970
Vimes has gotten too big and the author is favouring him too much
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>>101632525
Pretty soon we won't be even getting that
Snuff was pretty sun par though. Night watch was perfect closure because it finally gave Vimes past and police was established

I just want final rincewind story for disc world
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>>101631056
This disgusts me a little.

The otaku would actually feel threatened if the MC was a cool guy hooking up with the girls? Its like they were being NTR'd by him in their minds?
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>>101632731
What about The Last Hero?
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>>101632731
>I just want final rincewind story for disc world

He magically ended up alone in an island full of potatoes and lived happily ever after.

The end
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>>101632780
You should already know how they feel about idols.
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>>101632781
What did rincewind even do there
He just sat there in back avoiding trouble and got a balloon
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Does anyone else feel pratchett's books got increasingly... 'preachy' as time went on?
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>>101632620
mah nigga

Getting into this "research" thing is probably the best choice I've made over the past year.
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Sam Vimes is the best discworld MC.

Him or Moist Von Lipwig anyways.
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>>101632780
Its not so much they would feel threatened but that if you write a good MC you have to give him more screen time, which means less time for the girls and the interactions with said girls wont be as silly/ you cant milk it forever due to misunderstandings and the characters being 5yo mentally.

Business basically.
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I must confess that I do quite like Rincewind, even if he's not one of Pratchett's better characters, and despite Pratchett himself not seeming to care too much for him.
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>>101632715
He's said in interviews that it is now a lot harder to set stories in Ankh-Morpork because very little would get past Vimes and his squad.
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>>101632925

Oh god I look just like him. Time to shave.
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>>101632712

Basically I do shit which is not interesting enough for grad students to make a dissertation out of and too specialized for professors to know how to do. In my case this mostly involves getting 3D characters to function and animate in a system for doing usability testing on the effect conversational agents on learning.

Making twenty eight grand a year (GBP), which is at the low end of the pay scale for the shit I do. But I haven't gotten my PhD yet, which'd bump me up into the mid thirties. Sure as hell beats the games industry, which'd be my other option with this background.

Saging for blogshit.
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>>101632949
But now he sets stories OUTSIDE of ankh-Morpork but still has to be all about Vimes being the protagonist, who now has superpowers
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>>101632949
Maybe they could have another interesting times?
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>>101631857
So regular academia then?
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>>101632893
He is writing with dementia
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>>101630970
>>101632715
>>101632949

I like Lipwig better.

>>101630871
The issue with Rincewind is that he's satire. While yes, he does run away a lot and act like a coward, doing those things somehow ends up being the right thing and being the driving force that makes everything come out okay in the end. He runs from the monster and ends up tripping over a magical sword that just happens to be the only thing the hero needs to slay it for example (Doesn't happen, just making up an example). It's a joke and things line up in the story to make it work. That's the whole joke behind his character. He's such a coward that it loops him around into a hero.

Plus if I remember right the reason he stinks at magic is that he had a spell from the grimoire thing stuck in his head and all his magic was basically spent on suppressing it.
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>>101632893

>implying early books like mort, small gods, and hogfather arent preachy as fuck
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>>101633068
Yeah but this is something thats been going on for a good amount of time, and dmentia doesn't automatically equate to preaching
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>>101631022
Closest you'l ever get.
Magrat is mai waifu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKP2vVwcDg
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>>101633017
>who now has superpowers

That ticked me off about the last Vimes book too. His writing is getting a bit sloppier and things just lined up waaay to perfectly and easily for Vimes in it. Thud was great but the end is where the dark thing should have stopped. Now he can see in the dark and understand anything that lives in it...
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>>101631137
Rincewind Spineless?
Taking his socks off in advance when the other Wizards start going nutty.
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>>101632893
He's got early onset alzheimers and most of his recent books have been dictated to his assistant and he's apparently left a bunch of notes on how to do the last couple of books after he either goes insane or dies and left his blessings to a new author.
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>>101633350
Hopefully this new author won't be his daughter.
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>>101633350

This makes the Clatchien Foreign Legion even more hilarious.
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>>101632525
Shit. Its sucking the cock of Tumblr goblins literally.
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>>101631936
>Sounds like us, here in 4chan, oddly enough.

The wizards are partially a big joke on university life. A lot of people on 4chan and /a/ are college students. Makes sense there are some parallels.
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>>101631857
>The wizards are more interesting
I can't really agree to that. The wizards are good fun, particularly Ridcully, but there's a reason they never seem to carry a book on their own(they're usually only the main or supporting characters in a story's B plot) while the witches do tend to be the focus of their stories.
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>>101633393
I bet it will.
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Anyone read the latest book? For some reason they aren't releaseing it in the US until another month or two and I don't feel like importing a UK copy. Any good or is it another example of his slipping writing ability like Snuff and Midnight?
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>>101633393
His daughter writes? What's so bad about it?
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>>101633613

His daughter writes video games.
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>>101633393
>>101633515
I dunno. The Overlord series wasn't fantastic but it wasn't bad either.
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I think there was a bit of a shift in the books at some point, beyond the advancing technology.

The earlier Discworld books tended to be about characters who weren't much good at their jobs(or whatever it is they were supposed to do, while the later ones are about characters who are excellent at their jobs.
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>>101633636
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhianna_Pratchett
Beyond Divinity (Story editor) - Larian Studios (2004)
Stronghold Legends (Writer) – Firefly Studios/2k (2006)
Heavenly Sword (Co-Writer/ Story) – Ninja Theory/Sony(2007)
Overlord (Writer/Co-Audio Director) – Triumph Studios/Codemasters (2007)[9]
Overlord: Raising Hell - expansion pack (2008)
Viking: Battle for Asgard (Writer) – The Creative Assembly/Sega (2008)
Mirror's Edge (Writer) – DICE/EA (2008)
Prince of Persia (Additional Writer) – Ubisoft Montreal (2008)
Overlord: Minions (Writer) – Climax/Codemasters (2009)
Overlord: Dark Legend (Writer/VO Director) – Climax/ Codemasters (2009)
Overlord II (Writer/VO Director) – Triumph/Codemasters (2009)
Risen (Co-Writer) – Piranha Bytes/Deep Silver (2009)
CSI: Fatal Conspiracy (Writer) – Telltale/Ubisoft (2010)
Bioshock Infinite (Additional Writer) – Irrational Games/2k (2013)
Tomb Raider (Lead Writer) – Crystal Dynamics/SE (2013)
Beat Buddy: Tale of the Guardians (Writer) – Threaks (2013)
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>>101633588
>is it another example of his slipping writing ability like Snuff and Midnight?
This one. Stuff just keeps happening and he's more interested in world building and equality and muh goblins to write a cohesive plot.
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>>101633181

he's gotten older and angrier

and if you take a look at what the tories have been doing in england it pieces together fairly well
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>>101633713
Not to mention the thinly veiled anti Islam shit with the dorfs that culminates in them losing pretty much all the features that made them unique and turns them into short guys that live underground. It's bad enough that he's slowly done that to the trolls, now all his fantasy races have become bland.
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>>101633688
Early books had looser focus, especially the first couple. Felt like TP was still finding his place as an author and still fleshing out what he wanted with discworld. Then he hits his stride and books get better and better and better. A little liche'd and preachy at time (SLAVERY BAD!) but the stories themselves were entertaining. The last couple of books have felt like they need some more revisions.

Things happen a little too conveniently for the main characters. Stuck in a dark cave? No problem, I can now see in the dark! Trying to get better rights for goblins? Well it turns out they're actually good at everything and just haven't been noticed until now! Accused of murder? Well it's okay, you've known everyone there since childhood and nobody believes the accuser anyways.
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So any Discworld books you'd like to see turned into anime? I know somethings would be lost in the transition, but it could still be somewhat enjoyable.

I wouldn't mind Interesting Times or Guards Guards!
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>>101633881
Cute witches doing cute things when?
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>>101633858
What's happening there?
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>>101633862
>>101633713
Dammit. I'll probably read it anyways since I love the series and the world building but I hate what's happening to his writing ability. It sounds like he needs a editor who can tell him "no".
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>>101633881

Mort.
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>>101633858

>look at what the tories have been doing in england it pieces together fairly well

What, fixing it after Labour left it broken, broke and socially fucked?
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>>101633881
Witches abroad
SoL maho onna anime
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>>101633930

Nothing. Tories are getting shit back in order.

Libtards are mad that their welfare is getting cut and that they actually have to go and get a job.
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>>101633463
We are or were all Ponder Stibbons.
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>>101633947
>editor that tells him no
He is a fucking legend and got recognized by world and queen or something. That's goin to be hard to find.

>>101633881
Any of his earlier works are great. Prachett books are only books I still read and buy

I hope he proves doubters wrong and goes out with a bang and a great last book, like a final master stroke

Not likely due to him not being even able to continuously remember the plot line but stilll
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>>101633947
It's more the case that they don't see the removal of edge from the world as a bad thing.

It used to be about sucky people doing sucky things to stop the world getting worse with mentions to interesting and fantastical cultures and islands outside the novels focus. Now the only mediocrity is the world itself. At least monstrous regiment was sort of ok.
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>>101634049
You are giving us too much credit.

I'm Nobbs.
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>>101633881
Goign postal OVA series. It can be hipster anime of the year.

>Such a good satire of government and big business!

It's one of my favorite books.
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well basically the people in pic related are enforcing "permanent austerity" (read: stealing everything of value) while literally sitting on golden thrones
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>>101633164
>Plus if I remember right the reason he stinks at magic is that he had a spell from the grimoire thing stuck in his head and all his magic was basically spent on suppressing it
Close. No other spell would lodge in his head because they were all terrified of the Big Spell.

Once he got it out of him, he still sucked at magic, though.
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>>101634095
>Any of his earlier works are great.
Not the first ones, of course.
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Shinji is a good spineless MC
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>>101633881
Mort.

It even has a tsundere.

Even though everyone seems to hate Rincewind I would love to see him get an adaptation. Besides Death he's probably my favorite.
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>>101631143

The form of Alzheimer's Pterry has mostly affects his motor functions, not his mind. He's said in an interview a while back that he was "mis-sold" as to what the diagnosis would actually mean.
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>>101634177
Nobody hates Rincewind.
He's just not very interesting.
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>>101634112

I'm Carrot without the charisma and muscles.
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>>101634140
>Once he got it out of him, he still sucked at magic, though.

Mostly because he didn't bother to learn any new spells and settled for being a geography teacher since while running he's been everywhere.
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>>101634112
... identifying with Nobbs aside, I was mostly thinking about how he pretty much lucked out through his education and his greatest achievements are also probably not his own (as in, he got Victor's 'what is your name' test and HEX pretty much built itself as he keeps repeating).
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>>101634096
There's no more cool 80s fantasy stuff. Come to think of it, that was all in the Rincewind books anyway.
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>>101634112

>Not being CMOT-Dibbler.
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>>101631857
wizards are currently dicking around because the only alternative are apocalyptic wizard wars fueled by megalomaniacal wizards, which actually happened once already in discworld
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>>101634253

and intelligence

>>101634342

but anon, your fundamental problem is that absolutely no one will take your sausage
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>>101634253
Sure you are
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Even Piss Harry is now a heroic figure. This is what's wrong with current discworld.
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>>101634276
Ponder is still the smartest there. HE built the groundwork for hex and flat out knows all the magical theories and such. He built hex, but hex upgraded himself. Remember when when of his underlings went to the other university and ponder purposly didn't poit out the problems with their own thinking machine? Even Ridicully (Arguably the only other competant wizard there) was impressed with him.
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>>101634233
I'd say he's not very interesting on his own but he can be very amusing as someone who comments on everything else. He's That Guy in fiction, the one who's genre savvy and in a way keeps breaking or nudging the fourth wall to point out how silly everything is.
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>>101633951
I want Mort just to watch Death being happy in his little kitchen.
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>>101634372

You know you want one of my pies.
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>>101633875
Which is all kinds of ironic when you consider Pratchett started losing his mind as he wrote the later books.
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>>101634346
Twice actually. The first was so terrible they swore to never do it again...then they did it again in the sorcery book because a sorcerer was born and thought he knew better than everyone else.
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>>101633881
Monstrous Regiment
All dose reverse traps
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>>101634435

>"My little apprentice can't be this cute."
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>>101634276
Ponder pretty much controls the Unseen University.
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>>101634513
Yup. This.
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>>101634346
Not going to happen with Ridcully with him firing his hunting crossbow everywhere
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>>101634521
More like "My little master can't be this cute". Death is moe as fuck the way he just wants to be mortal.
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>>101634346
Although to be fair, current wizards are supposedly a far cry from wizards of old. And magic is kinda escaping the world.
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>>101634132
>emplyoment up for the first time in ages
>one of the fastest growing western economies
>recovered from appaling deficit
>low interest rates

Are you some retarded uni student who is mad his fees have gone up or something?
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>>101632416
>Charles Dance as Vetinari
Yes please more of that.
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>>101634411
Ponder pls go.
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i have no idea who he is
some /tg/ thing?
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>>101634177
I think Rincewind's a bit of a fan favourite, rather than genuinely hated.
It's more that quite a lot of people think he doesn't make a very good main character, so he should only be used sparingly
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>>101634435

I'd Thief of Time just to see tsundere Susan going all moe at the ending scene
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>>101632882

All in all for Rincewind it was a great success
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>mfw Vetinari and Vimes are actually deemed too important to be killed even by the Assassins' Guild
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>>101634513
It actually got a little boring when you KNEW everyone was going to turn out to be a chick but it still tried to tease the reader about it
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>>101634533
Yes, yes. I just get the impression that he's not particulary smart, he just wants to do things because unlike the other wizards he's young and hopeful. He's consistently wrong through Last Continent but all the difference lies in his desire to do something relevant and differentiate himself from the old farts.
Ridcully recognizes his drive so he's more than willing to delegate power onto him to take advantage of that.
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>>101634612
>And magic is kinda escaping the world
This hasn't ever been raised as a plot thing. He's just forgetting about it.

Isn't the whole world supposed to be held together by magic?
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>>101634596

>"I DO NOT UNDERSTAND, MORT. WHAT IS THIS WE ARE WATCHING?"
>It's called Anime, Death.
>"HMM YES. I SEE. THIS IS WHAT ADULTS DO? WATCH ANIME?"
>U-uh, yes. Of course!
>"VERY WELL. THEN WE SHALL WATCH THIS 'BOKU NO PICO'."
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>>101634662
>Implying I'm not HEX

##$CHEESE-ERROR#123-PLESE-INSERT-TONER-
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>>101632710
This is no laughing matter, you semen stain on a public toilet stall door.
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>>101633166
I respectfully disagree.
At least, wit was always more important than "preaching".
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This isn't anime. Fuck off.
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>>101634346
Not to mention there's really the question of effort vs benefits when it comes to magic. As the books say;

>That's what's so stupid about the whole magic thing, you know. You spend twenty years learning the spell that makes nude virgins appear in your bedroom, and then you're so poisoned by quicksilver fumes and half-blind from reading old grimoires that you can't remember what happens next.
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>>101634749
In the unseen university Pnder pointed out that he technically has more power than Ridcully or something iirc because of how much has actually been deligated to him. He controls the finances, food, documents, EVERYTHING. Ridcully is a figurehead at this point.
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>>101634479
I think you might be going by a different definition of the "later books" than everyone else.
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>>101633166
Fuck you
hogfather preaching was great as it was Death doing it and is my favorite book
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>>101634513
This.
Also I loved Monstrous Regiment.
Jackrum reminded me of a sorta crazier Ridcully, but maybe it's just because they're both fat.
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>>101634739
Yeah, but I liked that part where they had to go in and "pretend to be female maids" or whatever it was.
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>>101634749
>I just get the impression that he's not particulary smart,
Didn't he come up with the theory of evolution in that book.
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>>101630871
Hey welcome to 4chan. I'm sure this is a simple mistake to make, but this is an anime and manga board ONLY. What you are discussing is not an anime or a manga.

Believe it or not that's how 4chan is organized. We have different boards for different topics of discussions. That way anime isn't discussed on /tv/ or /lit/, but it is contained to /a/.

For your discussion you need to go to >>>/lit/. No need to thank me newfriend, just delete your thread and go on your merry way!
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>>101634112
Oddly enough I could really identify with Anguas father.
Like, he's not the smartest guy around sure, but he's happy with his life.
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>>101634756
Death watching anime would basically be the "cliche's/things you hate about anime" threads we have.

>"I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHY ARE THE PARENTS LIVIGN ELSEWHERE?"
>"IF THEY LIKE EACH OTHER WHY ARE THEY PRETENDING THEY DON'T?"
>"WHY DOES SHE SLAP HIM WHEN SHE WALKED IN ON HIM?"
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>>101635016
>anime and manga board ONLY
>delete your thread
You haven't been here long, have you?
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>>101635016
Become a janitor or fuck off.
'Board purity' is a stupid concept. The odd unusual thread is not going to harm the place especially when it leads to good discussion.
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>>101633881

If there's any possibility of it leading to Polly/Mal doujins, >>101634513.

Most of the "young adults" books would make good movies, too. I'd love to see an Amazing Maurice or Wee Free Men movie - places like the Chalk, Fairyland, or the dark rat tunnels and under Bad Blinz could look jaw-dropping animated. Just keep whoever is directing it on a tight, tight leash so we don't get another Howl abomination.
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>>101630871
>>101630871
>>101630871
>>101630871
>>101630871
Hey welcome to 4chan. I'm sure this is a simple mistake to make, but this is an anime and manga board ONLY. What you are discussing is not an anime or a manga.

Believe it or not that's how 4chan is organized. We have different boards for different topics of discussions. That way anime isn't discussed on /tv/ or /lit/, but it is contained to /a/.

For your discussion you need to go to >>>/lit/. No need to thank me newfriend, just delete your thread and go on your merry way!

Hey welcome to 4chan. I'm sure this is a simple mistake to make, but this is an anime and manga board ONLY. What you are discussing is not an anime or a manga.

Believe it or not that's how 4chan is organized. We have different boards for different topics of discussions. That way anime isn't discussed on /tv/ or /lit/, but it is contained to /a/.

For your discussion you need to go to >>>/lit/. No need to thank me newfriend, just delete your thread and go on your merry way!
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>>101634931
It could be that they're both smarter than they might at first appear.

Though in Jackrum's case, that's intentional, while in Ridcully's he really is both sort of dumb and very smart. Pratchett was pretty good at portraying different types of stupidity.
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>>101635140
Then go to >>>/lit/, this discussion is not pertaining to /a/.
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>>101635152
Spamming gets you banned
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>>101635066

>A DEATH NOTE? PREPOSTEROUS.
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>>101634756

>Death
>quotation marks
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>>101634723
Not really too important, but Vetinari handles the city in a way that it would just be a bit worse without him than he is with him, and Vimes is just too plain stubborn to die, and his traps are "unfair".
Like, having young assassins fall into his wifes dragon shelter. He's a nasty person.
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>>101635205
And discussion of non anime or manga material also gets you banned.
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>>101635225

>You
>A fucking faggot

Good point though.
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>>101635001
A theory he proposed to the god creating life, which makes him right only because of time shenanigans.
And IIRC it wasn't his own theory but something he put together through his studies.
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>>101635185
I think that's a recurring theme with Pratchett. Smart people who are, in their own way, very stupid, and vice versa.
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>>101630871
>>101630871
Hey welcome to 4chan. I'm sure this is a simple mistake to make, but this is an anime and manga board ONLY. What you are discussing is not an anime or a manga.

Believe it or not that's how 4chan is organized. We have different boards for different topics of discussions. That way anime isn't discussed on /tv/ or /lit/, but it is contained to /a/.

For your discussion you need to go to >>>/lit/. No need to thank me newfriend, just delete your thread and go on your merry way!
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>>101635248
Don't be stupid, this isn't my thread.
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Rincewind had the best books, then the guard books, the first witch book was alright but the rest of the witch books sucked.
Death taking a vacation once every 4 books was just tedious.
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>>101635150
>If there's any possibility of it leading to Polly/Mal doujins,
Oh god this please.
I don't even care if they pretend to be male while doing it.

Also dem 'Nam flashsides
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>>101635205
Quit responding to that guy and talk about what discworld book you want to be an anime. He wouldn't listen to reason anyway, because he's either retarded or hates fun.
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>>101635287
Stop responding.
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>>101635288
I love death ;-;
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>>101635287
Read the rules, but your admittance of not being familiar with them should be enough to get you banned. Enjoy your day.
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>>101635328

Death's an interesting character, but his general story lines are mediocre sadly.
His appearances in Rincewinds book is what really makes him an excellent character in my own personal opinion.
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>>101635288

Don't talk shit about my Deathfu.
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>>101635321
>want western shit to be anime
Fuck off back to >>>/lit/

There's a reason why the west is shit, it's because of retarded anons like you that can't even stay on the correct board for your hobbies.
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>>101635380
Death was great in The Hogfather.
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>>101635233
There's also the fact that without them a lot of shit would fall apart, including internationally and the Assasin's guild is rather comfortable with the way things are.

As for Vimes and traps, if I remember right the guild has been sending trouble making trainees after him just "for practice", although mostly to teach them a lesson in humility.
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Anonymous 6 minutes ago No.101635152 [] >>101635205
>>101630871 (OP)
>>101630871 (OP)
>>101630871 (OP)
>>101630871 (OP)
>>101630871 (OP)
Hey welcome to 4chan. I'm sure this is a simple mistake to make, but this is an anime and manga board ONLY. What you are discussing is not an anime or a manga.

Believe it or not that's how 4chan is organized. We have different boards for different topics of discussions. That way anime isn't discussed on /tv/ or /lit/, but it is contained to /a/.

For your discussion you need to go to >>>/lit/. No need to thank me newfriend, just delete your thread and go on your merry way!

Hey welcome to 4chan. I'm sure this is a simple mistake to make, but this is an anime and manga board ONLY. What you are discussing is not an anime or a manga.

Believe it or not that's how 4chan is organized. We have different boards for different topics of discussions. That way anime isn't discussed on /tv/ or /lit/, but it is contained to /a/.

For your discussion you need to go to >>>/lit/. No need to thank me newfriend, just delete your thread and go on your merry way!
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>>101635413
I especially liked the one about the matchstick girl.
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>>101635404
>BANZAI DAI NIPPON
Shut it, weeb scum.
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>>101635413
The meltdowns Death had there were great.
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>>101634043
/pol/ please leave.
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>>101635413
I love the end of that when Death puts Susan in her place by talking about the universe and belief and shit.
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I have to say while I think books focused on just the wizards don't work well, I love the shit the Dean or the Lecturer in Recent Runes do occasionally.
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>>101630871
>>Rejects any form of physical relationship with women in part because he thinks they are potato
That isn't called spineless, that's called being a homosexual, a closed one in his case.
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>>101635413
Death is like rincewind. He tends to be great as one of the side or supporting characters. Once he gets put into the main characters spotlight he tends to get boring and repetitive. I'm glad the Sweeper hasn't gotten his own story for this reason.
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While pratchetts works now don't have the same charm as it did in past, I very much enjoy it and will continue reading them

My favorite are rincewind and death personally but others are great too. Hogfather was my favorite and its the first discworld novel I was introduced to
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>>101634755

You mean aside from the entire book about it
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>>101635510
TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET... AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
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>>101635527
Actually, it's due to being trapped on a deserted island for years and due to an intense craving for a baked potato he couldn't get there and now he associates baked potato cravings with arousal. So whenever he thinks about women, he ends up thinking about potatoes.
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Hi Gaia. Trying to moderation 4chan now?
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>>101635654
Rincewind is a potatosexual, too?
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>no discworld anime
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>>101635654
Remind me of WIIIIIIILLLLSSSOOOON
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>>101635608
MY POINT EXACTLY. THERE IS A PLACE WHERE TWO GALAXIES HAVE BEEN COLLIDING FOR A MILLION YEARS. DON'T TRY TO TELL ME THAT IS RIGHT.

I have this whole bit memorized because I had to do it for a class project a year ago
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>>101635654
I love the way Pratchett goes into detail about this sort of thing.
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>>101635532
Didn't sweeper get major role in thief of time though?

Why can't tsunderes in anime be like Susan? Is it that hard to write a decent one?
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>>101635827
They used to be decently written, and there still are decently written ones around, but LN adaptions and harems don't have good writing, they just have a generic tsundere.
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>>101635510
Susan needs to be put in her place, damn, I'm only at soul music and I want her to get some reality check already.
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>>101635751
Death is really great for lots of quotes.
I honestly enjoy Pratchett's villains, too. Mr. Teatime, Carcer and the like. The I'm-innocent-looking-but-severly-fucked-in-the-head-and-drown-kitties-for-fun kind.

There was some quote about Teatime's mind, likening it to a shattered mirror. Beautiful and shimmering in the colors of the rainbow, but ultimately also irreparably broken.
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>>101635152
Maybe I'm wasting my time here trying a bit of reason, given the condescending tone of these posts I doubt they've been made by anyone interested in listening, but what the Hell, I'll try once.

The OP's post, as phrased, was relevant to this board, as it was intended to draw a comparison between spineless characters in anime, who the OP thought were generally bad characters, with Rincewind who seemed a better take on what the OP considered the same archetype.

Some people actually answered this question fairly well, but the thread digressed from that topic, as they often do.
One or two off-topic threads aren't a big deal, they do little damage on their own, it's only when there's a deluge of them that they're a problem.

Spamming the same post/rant isn't going to change anything either, so pack it in, please.
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>>101635827
He was one of the main characters but not THE main character.
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>>101635887
She gets check every single book by Death who cares about her very much

When's the last time Susan appeared though?
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>>101635957
Thief of Time? I don't recall seeing her elsewhere and that was a pretty great ending.

Although I haven't read through all the books yet.
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The young adult novels centred around Tiffany Aching would make for good adaptation.

Cute witches doing cute things like delivering babies and kissing the spirit of winter...
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>>101635150
>Amazing Maurice
Hell yes.
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>>101635957
Forgotten just like rincewind yes?
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>>101635892
I really liked Mr Tulip and Mr Pin. It's like he does his villains really powerful and shit, but still human, on some level, and not needing some asspull to beat
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>>101631143
Rincewind actually had a bigger-than-cameo role in Unseen Academicals.
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>>101636025
I think it closed nicely with thief of time

More isn't always better as we saw with Vimes. Thud was good but Snuff was subpar
Haven't heard about Carrot king plot though
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>>101636141
>More isn't always better as we saw with Vimes. Thud was good but Snuff was subpar
I hate to have to agree with that, I'm reading Snuff right now and it's the first Pratchett I seriously consider dropping.
Pterry why. ;_;
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>>101636141
>Haven't heard about Carrot king plot though

That was addressed in nightwatch. Carrot doesn't want to be King. EVERYONE knows he's the rightful heir, but Carrot himself just wants to be a policeman.
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>>101636141
His best are still his standalones, I feel. Small Gods was excellent.
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>>101636222
It was addressed again though. Something along the lines of: When the need arises, he will take his rightful seat.
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>>101636141
I wouldn't mind a cameo or mention of her by Death though.

Just to give us an update about how the characters are doing.
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>>101636257
I think Pyramids would be a fairly good anime.
Its got harems, schools, black clad assasins, funny animals. Everything an anime needs to pass the japs level of approval.
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>>101636222
Everyone at Vetinari level, and Carrot himself, below them, I'm not even sure Angua knows.
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>>101636257
I loved Small Gods, Pyramids and Monstrous Regiment especially.
>A-are you Vimes the Butcher?
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>>101636221
The goblins ticked me off even more than the whole special powers thing. So they just happen to be good at pretty much everything they try, but nobody has noticed it until now because they just sit inside their caves picking boogers, and they're super pitiful because they're being forced into horrific slave conditions at plantations. They were overdone and the message with them was preachy as fuck. YES WE GET IT TERRY! IT'S AN ALLEGORY OF SLAVERY IN THE US. YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A BIT MORE SUBTLE ABOUt IT.
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>>101636357
It's got a rejection of incest, and that shit isn't good.
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>>101636283
As long as Vetinari is there it will be ok
Literal one man one vote

CMOTD was actually decent Jew since he got his sausages selling in first place and his own trademark taste
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>>101636366
Even Nobbs knows. Pretty sure the majority of people know about it and just don't suggest anything because everyone likes carrot and he's happy with being a policeman.
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>>101636458
They don't know. They *feel* it.
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>>101636366
Pretty sure everyone knows about Carrots status. It's blatant
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>>101636393
I fear he's lost his touch for subtlety. Not sure if it's age or his Alzheimers. (I believe that's mostly limiting his motor skills?)

Though Thud! was pretty cool mostly.
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>>101636396
Dropped
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>>101636509
Fair point. Pretty sure most of the watch flat out knows though. Remember when they wanted to make Nobbs an Earl?

>Need royalty? Just call on captain carrot! He's got the sword and birthmark and everything!
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Nao from Choku! is a pretty likable spineless MC
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>>101636653
True enough, but considering his situation it is completely understandable how he acts.
And he's spineless, not bland. That's important.
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>>101636596
I kinda remember it was so blatant the guild leaders didnt want him because he is too benevolent and perfect
His sword and birthmark are pretty much out there for everyone to see. It's just that Carrot himself gets upset when someone mentions it so noone does
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>>101636596
That's not knowing on a conscious level, that more that if they ever felt they needed a king, they would crown carrot. They would not say "he is our rightful king in hiding", like Vetinari, or Vimes could.
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>>101636104

What I really liked about the truth was how stupid t

At the start of the plot, we're introduced to a grand, mysterious conspiracy of Interested Parties plotting in the darkness to shape the city's future, the New Firm, a pair of thinking criminals who are more than the petty thugs the city is used to dealing with, and a bizarre, mysterious crime that makes less sense the more they investigate.

In the end, we realize that the Interested Parties were just pigheaded idiots who couldn't realize that their time had passed, the New Firm is on the run from coppers who aren't dumb and lazy like coppers are supposed to be, and that the crime looked stupid because it WAS stupid and, it never even had a possibility of working to begin with.

I also like how it marked the end of the Soul Music / Moving Pictures era and the beginning of the Industrial Revolution arcs with the Vetinari scene. Creatures from the Dungeon Dimensions are all in a day's work in fantasyland, but a free press? Now *that's* scary.
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>>101636559
He's definitely making use of assistants to write now, so his brain is not the same as it used to be.

And Alzheimers not affecting the mind sounds pretty strange imo. That shit literally eats holes into your brain.
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What I really liked about The Truth was how stupid the villains were.

At the start of the plot, we're introduced to a grand, mysterious conspiracy of Interested Parties plotting in the darkness to shape the city's future, the New Firm, a pair of thinking criminals who are more than the petty thugs the city is used to dealing with, and a bizarre, mysterious crime that makes less sense the more they investigate.

In the end, we realize that the Interested Parties were just pigheaded idiots who couldn't realize that their time had passed, the New Firm is on the run from coppers who aren't dumb and lazy like coppers are supposed to be, and that the crime looked stupid because it WAS stupid and it never even had a possibility of working to begin with.

I also like how it marked the end of the Soul Music / Moving Pictures era and the beginning of the Industrial Revolution arcs with the Vetinari scene. Creatures from the Dungeon Dimensions are all in a day's work in fantasyland, but a free press? Now *that's* scary.
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>>101636735
Yea. Your quality don't suddenly drop off with style of writing after decades of consistency he was famed for
He is using assistants and his daughter definitely .. And his daughter simply isn't his standard
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>>101636730
And the actual ending for The Truth was one of the best:
This wood is -ing good.
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>>101636708
If I remember right they didn't want him because what they wanted was a puppet, not a "Good King". They said something along the lines of not wanting a king who'd go about making his own laws and making everyone equal or some such.

>>101636722
The way it's described in the books I take it to be a kind of open secret.
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>>101630871
What about han bi kwan? Not japanese, but...
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>>101636851
>actual ending
Did I miss something?
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>>101636870
Yea nobs was perfect since he's a non
Except he is too cowardly to face Vimes an whole thing fell apart. Carrot wouldn't have stood by it anyway. Destined to fail
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>>101636824
Truth, Thudd, and going postal are probably my 3 favorites.
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>>101636959
A -ing happy woodworm in the desk
I absolutely loved it like other anon did
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>>101634140
>>101633164
The real joke about the spell in his head was a parody of Vancian magic and D&D, where there were different levels of spells that take up slots. Since he's a low level wizzard with a high level spell stuck in his head, he didn't have room for anything else.
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>>101637062
Now he doesn't even have anything in that slot except luck...which is debatable
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>>101636959
I can't type, I just meant the ending, forget "actual".
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>>101637151
Isn't his life timer full of crazy loops and turns or something?
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>>101637151
he has languages, he is bloody fucking good at that.
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>>101637211
Yup. Sand flows up, down and backwards in it.
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>>101637196
Mr.Tulip, who wasn't really such a bad guy and repented in death, gets reincarnated back in time into the wood worm in the wooden desk that survived the fire.
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Most wizards are virgin too because of risk of birthing sorcerer
C-can we be too?
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>>101637211

Yes, even Death doesn't know when he's supposed to die at this point.
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>>101637211
Yes, even death does not know when he will die. His hourglass is some kind of modern art.
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>>101637274
>Most wizards are virgin too because of risk of birthing sorcerer

Most Wizards are virgins because sex drains away your magical power. Did you not read Mort?
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I wonder how Tulip fries or mashed Tulip taste like
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>>101637272
Yup, a nice ending, though I would not say he was not such a bad guy: he was an horribly bad guy, with only one redeeming grace in his love for art.
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>>101637274
They're virgins because sex takes away their magic, I think.
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>>101637356
I'm not so sure about Ridcully
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>>101637449
And we're virgins because trying to have sex would take away our illusion that we could have success with girls if we just tried.
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>>101637479
You need repeated sex to take it all away. Once or twice doesn't do it.
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>you will never get to eat a Blouse
This is what true suffering feels like.
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>>101637504
perfect. Where can we enter this university?
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>>101637504
>take away our illusion

Exactly. It would disrupt our magic.
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>>101637538

Why would you want to eat a fingerless glove?
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Love Pratchett, but I'm just going to parrot everyone else and say his newer books are worse, but even my memory of most of them is hazy at best.

But when i met him he was a lovely chap.
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>>101637609
Hello Theo.
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>>101637609
>my memory of most of them is hazy at best.

It's okay Theo, so is his.
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>>101637609
him visiting US when?
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>>101637504
I thought we were virgins because we're pure little girls who have not yet found their true love?
...You guys all ARE pure little girls, too, right?
Right?

>>101637609
Goddamn it Theo you lucky bastard.

>>101637695
Anon pls ;_;
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is this most active thread on /a/?
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>>101637695
You're a monster

>>101637699
UK, I went to a book signing in the village of Wincanton where there's a discworld shop.
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>>101637783
>we're pure little girls who have not yet found their true love?
Sure we are. But little girls must not love little girls. If we came out of the closet in front of our friends they would shun us!
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>>101637870
Beats the sonic shitstorm
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>>101637876
I mean i want him to tour US but his dementia...
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>>101637870
/a/ - Discworld General
I like it.

>>101637914
B-but Anon, little girls loving other little girls is the purest form of love.
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>>101637609
>>101637699
>>101637927
I have never understood the desire to meet famous people in person.

I mean, honestly, you don't love them, you love what they do (their books, songs, movies, whatever). You probably don't even know them.
What's there to talk about?
What's there to tell them?
What do you want to hear from them?
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>>101634632
Of course the economy is recovering, economies always recover after a recession. The thing is, if a recession is the equivalent of a child falling into a lake, the policies of austerity the tories and most governments are employing are the equivalent of holding the child underwater and claiming success when its corpse eventually floats back up again.
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>>101638037
talk to them and appreciate them in person and maybe get a book signed.

its cool to meet someone you admire
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>>101638037
Why does anyone want an art book in physical copy when they can just download it?
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>>101637609
>lovely chap
Oh? I had heard he was a bit full of himself.
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>>101638067
>talk to them
About what?
>and appreciate them in person
You just want to masturbate in front of him, don't you?
>and maybe get a book signed.
What for? It's just a signature, isn't it?
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>>101638109
>hugely successful writer with millions of fans worldwide
>crowds of people just wanting to talk to you

no reason not to be.
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>>101638090
I shelve them because I like having a personal physical library. It's one of the few decorations I have in my apartment.
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>>101638144
>Was fucking knighted
>Made his own sword
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>>101638127
s-stop crushing my dreams anon-kun ;_;
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>>101638178

>Made his sword out of a meteorite.
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>>101638037
Never understood either. I mean, it's cool to discuss other aspects of the guy who makes something you like, but at signings and such events? Way too short to get anything out of it.

>>101638090
How is that relevant? You want the art book author in physical copy, too?
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>>101638194
Sorry, I didn't mean to.

I just don't understand. Please don't take this as an attack. It definitely isn't meant that way.
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>>101636446
>CMOTD was actually decent Jew
I liked when he basically created the Disc's equivalent of the Weekly World News.
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>>101631476
FUCK I thought that was Death's ass at first.
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>>101638144
It contradicts the "lovely" qualifier, though.
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>>101638288
l-lewd
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>>101638178
Plans to hide it too
>Already claimed hints are in the books and it'll be somewhere in europe
Fuck
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>>101638388
>You'll never find the sword of Sir Terry Pratchet
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>>101636708
>It's just that Carrot himself gets upset when someone mentions it so noone does
I quite liked when it came up during the confrontation with Cohen & his Horde.
In fact, I sort of liked their Code in general, like Fantasy Literature cliches as rules of physics or something.
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>>101638277
I prefer Disembowel-Meself-Honourably Dibhala, here
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>>101638388
Source on that for fucks sake
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>>101638252
People were made to interact with the world around them. This is why people like physical copies, and meeting others.
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>>101638427
>Years later it is finally found
>Word get's out
>Immediately he is killed
>So on and so forth
>Eventually there will stand one man atop a greasy mound of neckbeard
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>>101638427
The one who'll find will be some unlucky fuck who got pushed off the road by a 16 wheeler, feel in the valley below, and is now hanging for dear live onto the cracking bark of an old tree above a pack of angry wolves. It will have been a chance in a million, but it will have just worked, the sword will be there.
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>>101638655
We must find it and destroy it before it is too late.
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>>101638646
Meeting others, sure, but people you don't know at all should awaken a huge desire to get to know them.
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So many Discworld nerds. I never got into the series because the idea of the MC changing every couple of books turned me off.
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>>101638745
>MC changing every couple of books turned me off.

its a series based on same universe.
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It hits too close to home for the majority of their demographic.
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>>101638745
But Discworld is the MC, anon.
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>>101638745
So like Gundam?
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>>101638745
Then just read the novels to one particular protagonist.
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>>101638745
Not every book has a different MC. It all takes place in the same setting with time passing between each book. The MCs change and come back and appear as side characters in others. It's more about the world itself than any one person. The stories themselves though are all self contained except for the first two. Give guards guards a shot.
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>>101637272
>>101637423
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>>101638437
Narrative causality is the coolest magic in all of Fantasy, and it really exists, to boot.

Thinking of the horde, interesting times could work as an anime, it even had the seeds of harem, with twoflowers daughters, the tsundere and the hottie.
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>>101634931
Any chance this particular art style has a name? I remember disney used it quite a bit in the 2d era
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>>101638969
the brute looking one is the one with great taste and the faggy looking ones the crazy one right?
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are we still discussing annie may?
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>>101637538
Jackrum building up Blouse's reputation as a decoy was one of my favourite parts of Monstrous Regiment.
Especially the bit much later on when someone complains about all the troops wandering the mountains/woods looking for some bloke called "Tiger".
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>>101639049
yes
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>>101639049
Almost. I don't remember which book they're from, but those two were great.

He huffs those mothballs, by the way.
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>>101638745
Great A'Tuin is the MC of the books.
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>>101639049
Yes. Mr.Tulip was a widely terrible drug addict. Terrible in the sense that I don't think he has ever actually done any real drugs. He always gets duped into thinking a bag of soap powder or sugar is cocaine and the only real drugs he ever got only work correctly for trolls.
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>>101639170
The Truth.
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>>101639170
they are from The Truth, and Mr Tulip tries to ingest or sniff anything that sounds drug-like to him (which is everything but actual drugs, and artworks)
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>>101639044
I don't know, sorry. Got it from some Pratchett fansite I'm not sure even exists anymore.

>>101639146
>hitting some fancy-pants royal in the socks
I wish I knew how it felt.
Also with all the murderers and madmen and maniacal-laughter-and-exaggerated-use-of-exclamation-marks guys in Pratchett's books, Strappi was definitely the one I hated most.
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>>101638109
>Oh? I had heard he was a bit full of himself.
First I've heard of it.
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>>101639018
It felt bad for Rincewind to be stuck on potatoes looking at the girl, too. Poor guy.
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>>101638745
I strongly disapprove of your way of thinking, anon.
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S-TIER PRATCHETT:
Night Watch
Going Postal
Making Money
Monstrous Regiment

A-TIER:
All Death
Thud, Feet of Clay
The Truth
Interesting Times
Maurice

B-TIER:
Witches
The rest of Vimes minus Snuff
Rincewind + Wizards

Fuck off tier:
Snuff
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>>101639365
>It felt bad for Rincewind to be stuck on potatoes looking at the girl, too. Poor guy.*


*Eventually Rincewind had to undergo therapy to get over this confusion, which involved a pretty woman, a huge plate of potatoes, and a big stick with a nail in it.
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>>101639018
I kind of felt that in a more conventional novel, or a movie, the smarter of Twoflower's daughters would have been The Love Interest.

The dumb one was probably the DW character that I could most easily see being an anime character. She seemed to do that "plucky, but no terribly bright girl clenching her fists with tears in her eyes and committing to doing her best" thing.
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>>101639479
>Detritus
>Piecemaker only has one huge spear and not a bundle of arrows that dissolves when fires and bursts into flames mid-flight
Come on.

Soo...anyone read Raising Steam yet?
Thoughts?
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>>101639503
Huh, I thought Making Money was one of the weakest books by a significant margin.

It seemed to be the one where the Alzheimer's had apparently kicked in.
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>>101639503
>A-TIER:
>All Death

such shit taste. Death is awesome.
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>>101639786
I sort of got lazy with following Pratchett. Got stuck in Snuff and didn't pick up anything more recent.
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>>101639786
thats the "breaking down doors and anyone unlucky enough to stand infront of door" crossbow
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>>101639786

It's pretty okay except for the two or three bits of blatant author anvil-dropping that take you right out of it.

>>101639503
>S
>Making Money
>B
>Witches

u wot m8
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>>101639848
I didn't like Making Money either, but it wasn't Midnight bad.
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>>101639848
I agree with this Anon, I didn't think Making Money deserves to be up there with the others, either.
I'd put Pyramids there though, personally.

>>101639905
That's the Piecemaker though, is it not? I don't think Detritus carries two different types of siege warfare ballistae.
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>>101639991
guess the artist got lazy drawing hundreds of small arrows
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>>101639955
>It's pretty okay except for the two or three bits of blatant author anvil-dropping that take you right out of it.
If it's still Pratchett wit apart from that, I can take that. Snuff just felt like such a letdown.
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>>101639853
To be honest, I think grouping any of the sub-series together's a bit weak, as they do tend to vary a bit in quality.
I'd feel weird saying all the Death books are equal, or all the Witches or Guards books, etc.
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>>101636596

The sword and the birthmark is a recurring joke about destiny. They found a guy with a birthmark and gave him a sword in that book with the dragon in order to put on the throne as their puppet
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What are your opinions on the animated series?

I for one quite like Soul music for the tour through music history it provides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc_uA06tzxg
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>>101640237
Yeah, Equal Rites must be the worst DW book, along with Eric, while Lords and Ladies is really nice, and has Magrat kicking ass too.
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>>101640522
The only Pratchett adaption I've ever seen was Going Postal, but I quite liked that.

>>101640736
I really don't get Eric.
A Faust parody by Pratchett sounded incredibly awesome.
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Vimes is by far the best Discworld MC.
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ANIME AND MANGA
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Shinji?
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>>101634505
Those fucking sourcerers with their fucking magic-increasing sourcery.

Had Eskaterina been born a boy, she would have been another sourcerer.
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>Good Omens TV movie might actually be happening

neat.jpg
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>>101640953
She is a sorcerer.
And a witch.
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>>101639786
In the first book or two where he had it there was only a single bolt. It's in later ones where he swapped to the buckshot type.
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>>101640804
>A Faust parody by Pratchett sounded incredibly awesome
To his discharge, it was one of his first books, he got better at classics adaptations later on. The witches MacBeth, I mean, Wyrd Sisters, was also great. Even if I cannot stand Granny Weatherwax.
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>>101640975
>Watch series is also definitely happening eventually

Meh
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>>101640804

If you liked the Going Postal Adaption you might also like the Hogfather one.

The Wyrd sisters and Soul Music adaptions have terrible animation but good voice actors and soundtrack. Especially Soul Music is worth a go.

>>101640953

But Eskarina is some sort of space time hacker now. She appears in one of the Tiffany Aching books
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>>101640953
I like how reluctant the current UU faculty were to discuss that point in time, especially as it's implied that they were, with the exception of Ridcully, all present for it.
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>>101639902
>Got stuck in Snuff and didn't pick up anything more recent.
Snuff is the second most recent book. And a lot of people agree it was subpar.
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>>101641075
>She appears in one of the Tiffany Aching books
In the bad one, to be precise.

Fuck, I still can't forgive Pratchett for that Steven Spielberg style romance.
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>>101641055
Wyrd Sisters preceeded Eric.
What have you got against Granny?
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>>101641038
Oh, that might be the case actually, yeah.
My bad.

>>101641055
Yes, that's true. I also liked Pratchett's take on Oberon and Titania (and elves in general) in Lords and Ladies.
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>>101640996
Esk is a wizardette. A time wizard. Who is female.
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>>101641159
What was so bad about "I shall wear midnight" or however it was called?
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>>101641301
I can't give a detailed criticism any more, it's not recent enough.

What I do remember is that I found it hamfisted, especially the romance (as I mentioned).
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>>101641167
Granny is a bore to read about, and a bossy, overbearing with no humour character, which are things I don't like in general. Greebo is a more entertaining character than she is.
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>>101640522

The Soul Music animated series is laughably bad. They obviously spent their entire budget getting Lee and used none of it on actual quality.
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>>101639848
>Huh, I thought Making Money was one of the weakest books by a significant margin.
>
>It seemed to be the one where the Alzheimer's had apparently kicked in.

I thought it was weak, but mainly because it felt recycled from Going Postal. The writing and characterization was great, but the plot and the villains were subpar.
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>>101641301

Not him, and I didn't mind I Shall Wear Midnight all that much, but he's right, Preston or whatever his name was can fuck right off and take his shoehorned, completely irrelevant romance with him.
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>>101641540
Preston's the guy Tiffany falls for, right?
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>>101640953
>Had Eskaterina been born a boy, she would have been another sourcerer.

No, she would have been a wizard. Eighth son of an eighth son.

If she had eight sons herself, the eighth would have been a sourceror.
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>>101641083
It was a rather embarrassing incident they'd all rather soon forget. Especially since the very wizards they almost fought with are the same ones that they have to sit next to at third breakfast.
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>>101641301
A lot of the same problems as snuff. There isn't enough conflict, what conflict there is feels forced, and things just happen too conveniently for the MC.
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>>101641301
New love interest Preston sucked.

The Cunning Man was a horrible villain that Tiffany was barely challenged by.
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>>101641629
Hmmm, that's true. A sourcerer (wizard squared) is the eight son of a wizard, who normally is the eight son of the eight son.
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>>101641629
Wait, so is Rincewind the eighth son of an eighth son?
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>>101641861
Probably not. He has really bad wizard genes.
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>>101640975
Please don't fuck up Crowley please don't fuck up Crowley
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>>101641861
That's what his mother said, but it would seem she cheated on her husband.
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So, Best Discworld Villain? I vote for Vorbis from Small Gods.
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Opinions on the Long Earth? Personally I thought it was okay, kind of forgettable, though.
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>>101641931
And apparently, his mother ran away before he was born. I think that his mother might be Eskarina.
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>>101642058

The combine harvester death
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>>101642058
Tough call really.
I really liked Vorbis, too, but I'm gonna go with Pyramids' High Priest Dios.
I mean, he wasn't a villain per se, but I just love his character.
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>>101642058
He is just a religious fanatic, and he loses his bite at the end, though.

I vote for lord whathisface in Jingo. Or for Vetinari, he is a great villain.
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>>101642164
>before he was born
Wait, what?
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>>101641861
Being the eighth son of an eighth son is a sufficient condition to be a wizard, not a necessary one. Most wizards are born from less large families.

In the distant past, when magic was more dense, there may have been sourcerors who weren't eighth sons cubed, too.
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>>101642058
The guy in going postal. He's like a more experianced lipwig. It's funny how he always seems to be on top of everything and then his plans crumble apart at the end.
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This thread made me realize I could have spent reading time and money in Discworld instead of Game of Thrones.
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>>101642179
You mean the crowned Death?

>>101642217
Lord Rust? He's a mostly harmless idiot whose aristocratic ears block out everything he doesn't like. Barely a villain.
And I wouldn't call Vetinari a villain either. More of a Machiavellian type.
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>>101642273
That's the joke and from Rincewind himself.
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>>101642273
It's a silly rumor made about Rincewind in some book.

Knowing Pratchet (if he remembers this at all), this joke might not be a joke, but something that should be taken literally.
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>>101642058
Yes, definitely Vorbis.

I like to think that he *could* hear Om in the desert, and chose to reject the tortoise god for the one in his head.
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>>101642347

Yes. That death represented everything Death wasn't. IT really helped define him as a hero
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>>101642416
Wasn't it stated that his head is basically like that? Echo chamber, nothing comes in, just the same thoughts going round and round and amplifying themselves?
Mind like a steel ball or something.
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>>101642164
>And apparently, his mother ran away before he was born. I think that his mother might be Eskarina.

I was about to say that's impossible due to timeline, but what with the temporal shattering and Esk being a time traveler...

Nah, it's still impossible. Esk's son is a mysterious dangling plot point in Midnight. Either he's Preston, or he's some mysterious character yet to be revealed.
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>>101642217
>He is just a religious fanatic
I thought typical religious fanatics tended to actually believe in their religion though, and tended to be crazy.

He had an immense level of control, and turned others into something similar to himself.
I don't think how he was cut down at the end of his life and after it really took away from him as a villain.
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>>101642398
The more Rincewind appears, the more awesome he becomes. Started as some disaffected wizard reject, ends up savior of the world, winner of multiple dungeon dimension fights, saviour of the Agatean empire, champion of lady luck, never dies, enigma to death, and now also the son of a time mage? Next thing he'll be the grandson of the history monk.
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>>101642217
Vetinari is not a villain. In the most recent books, emphatically not. He's become practically the biggest idealist in the series, although pragmatism is one of his ideals.
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So, anyway, was Bloody stupid johnson actually stephen Hawking?
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>>101642664
so retarded that he is brilliant
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>>101642587
It will be a bad thing when he'll die, though. Chaos all around.
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>>101642536
But why the dog?
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>>101642584
Don't forget that he can end magic world wars with a sock and some sand in it.

And he was going to do it again when Ridcully and the Dean were nearly starting another war.
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>>101642727
All of his stuff is actually quantum mechanics experiments, if I remember correctly.
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>>101642747
Carrot will step up. Vimes will stand before a difficult decision.
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>>101642536
He was never really a villain.
I mean, he's not exactly pleasant, but he's not a villain.
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>>101642747

He has already made arrangements.
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>>101642347
I suspect he means the Klatchian Prince, or whatever the guy was, who tried to use a war with Ankh Morpork to unite the tribes.
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>>101642777
He likes his dog(s)
His one source of sentimentality and tenderness.

Speaking of which, while I didn't think Making Money was much good, I did like Mr. Fusspot.
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>>101642793
who needs quantum when theres magic
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>>101642797

I think Carrot realizes that the time of kings and glowy magic swords is over by now. If anyone from the current cast is set to take over, it's Moist.
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>>101642932
Nobody sane wants to employ magic though.
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>>101642664
What makes you think so?
I thought BS Johnson just designed absolutely retarded/crazy shit like the UU's Organ or the Ho-Ho/He-He in Vetinari's garden?
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>>101642911
You'd think that Vetinari is more of a cat person.
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>>101642803
I remember his speech to Vimes at the end of "Guards, Guards!", early in his characterization, where he tells Vimes that not all of the bad people are on the same side and that he is necessary to keep it all running. And Vimes asks him how he can even get up in the morning with that attitude, and Vetinari just brushes it off.

And then in "Unseen Academicals" he gets really drunk and goes off on how Evil is built into the structure of the universe and how it has to be opposed. So it turns out that Vetinari doesn't see himself as a villain after all.
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>>101641973

Ever since I first read it I've been unable to see Aziraphale as anyone other than Anthony Stewart Head. Not sure who'd be Crowley, though.
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>>101643000
Dogs have a higher emotional transfer coefficient than cats. I think it makes sense that Vetinari would use dogs.
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>>101643000
Cats are too evil. They'd bring Vetinari down completely into the dark side.
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>>101631143
not cool
it was clever though, if I hadn't had dealings with Terry himself in the past I'd probably have laughed.
he's actually a really cool guy and enjoys making swords and playing oblivion
He was a beta tester for a mod we made, and it now has a gag in some of his books about potatoes spewing out of everything, due to our cooking system being terribly bugged
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>>101642972
He also made the letter sorter, which redefined Pi to exactly equal 3 and made something of a localized black hole.
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>>101642587

>The Patrician took a sip of his beer. “I have told this to few people, gentlemen, and I suspect I never will again, but one day when I was a young boy on holiday in Uberwald I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, I’m sure you will agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders, gentlemen: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”

He's not evil, but in another universe he could easily have been a villain of the the-world-must-be-destroyed-to-be-saved school.
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>>101642747
>implying he wasn't bitten by Lady Margolotta and is immortal by now
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>>101643103
Hah, really? Never knew Pratchett played games. Got shit taste though.
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>>101643277
I doubt it. Didn't he say he wanted to be cremated when he died at some point?
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>>101643000
He's actually more of a rat person, isn't he?
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>>101643165
I love that quote.
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>>101643330
Just to divert attention from his vampireness I'm sure.
Nah I dunno, he just seems like the kind of guy who'd keep going forever for the good of his City.
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>>101643290
yeah oblivion was pretty terrible
meeting him on our forums is the only reason I ever started reading his books, I'd never heard of him before that
he stopped playing before I ever got to finish reading Mort ;_;
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>>101643277

That's not really his style. Even a vampire will get staked eventually - Vetinari would want a system that keeps his city working without him.
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>>101643454
Or because Margalotta is his waifu. Still, she won't bite and he won't be bitten.
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>>101643468
That's why hes been grooming moist as a public hero to be his successor and basically made the watch into a force who's not afraid to act on a ruler who breaks the law.
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>>101632893
Pratchett is far from perfect, sure he can write great comedy and great characters, but his endings always end up mudded up with "good beats evil because good is good and evil is evil"-type solutions. Small Gods is a great book, but the ending ends up being a mess timing-wise because he can't properly wrap up the story.
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>>101643468
I wouldn't put it past him, really. With Dios the High Priest in mind it doesn't seem that unlikely that Vetinari just wants to keep "serving" his city.

>>101643608
I was always wondering if there ever was anything sexual between them, Vetinari always has that longing far-away look when he talks about her.
And she said something about him teaching her to Vimes.
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That Post Office novel would make a neat lil' show
Or some manly Vimes doing manly things
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>>101643749
I'd even love a SoL with Vimes and Sybil, they have lots of fun back-and-forth together.
Also Willikins is awesome.
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>>101643042
>Anthony Stewart Head
I must confess I've always seen the self-improvement vampire from Carpe Jugulum as ASH
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>>101643095
>last book
>wizards are going nuts with magic causing magic leakage and general instability
>there's this wizard in Uberwald who didn't pass entrance exam for an art school
>countries advancing to take over AM
>Vimes starts to spend way too much time in dark places
>Vetinari gets a cat
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>>101643812
For all the problems snuff had I loved the parts with vimes and his son. It shows a kind of awkward side of him since he didn't have a dad and isn't always sure what to do.
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>>101643290
>Hah, really? Never knew Pratchett played games
>Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon
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>>101644042
Yeah, he really loves his son to death. Showed in the whole "WHERE IS MY COW?" thing in Thud!, too.
The whole poo thing in Snuff just seemed unnecessary though.
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>>101644042
Vimes being awkward is the big reason why I love the watch series so much. He's a great main character, even if he's gotten a bit too much gary stueish lately.
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>>101644149
That's what I get for reading translations instead of originals.
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Christ I had a lecturer that looked exactly like rincewind. Kind of creepy
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>>101644261
That's basically heresy Anon.
And lots of jokes just don't translate well or at all.

>There was always something that needed transferring from A to B or, of course, to the bottom of the C.
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>>101644327
Maybe the artist met your lecturer?
>>101644261
I tend to generally like Pratchett quotes
http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/words-from-the-master.html
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>>101644261
This isn't from a book, though.
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>>101642963

No body who employs quantum stays sane
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>>101644667

>- Does Terry keep earlier drafts of his novels around?

>"I save about twenty drafts -- that's ten meg of disc space -- and the last one contains all the final alterations. Once it has been printed out and received by the publishers, there's a cry here of 'Tough shit, literary researchers of the future, try getting a proper job!' and the rest are wiped."

10/10
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>>101644589
I've seen Pratchett discuss translations before and he seemed to approve of them, and even heard that one of the books was funnier in German.

Though I heard that one group slipped in an advert for beans or something in the middle of the text and that pissed him off.
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>>101644830
I didn't mean to imply the translations are bad, I just prefer the original because, like I said, some jokes just don't translate well.

Also, death is a female noun in French, and although there was some pun about explaining how Death is male in the books, I can't help but imagine a sexy-seductive skeleton when reading the French translations.
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>>101644816
>Once it has been printed out and received by the publishers, there's a cry here of 'Tough shit, literary researchers of the future, try getting a proper job!' and the rest are wiped."

Excellent.
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>>101631143
Actually, Pratchett basically said that Rincewind is hard to wrote stories around because he's a coward, and if he became courageous he wouldn't be Rincewind.
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>>101644667
>- Why don't you use a Macintosh for your writing?

>"In fact I type so fluently that I can't deal with a mouse. My mother paid for me to have touch-typing lessons when I was 13, and they took. Hah! I can just see a DW book written with voice-recognition software! Especially in this cat-ridden house! 'That's Ankh-Morpork, you bloody stupid machine! GET OFF THE TURNTABLE!' As to goshwowness -- well, it seems now that a 50MHz 486 is what you need if you're not going to have silicon kicked in your face on the beach. But... Macs do interest me... it's just that I associate them with manipulation rather than input."

>Hah! I can just see a DW book written with voice-recognition software!

That's really kind of sad.
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>>101645613
>well, it seems now that a 50MHz 486 is what you need if you're not going to have silicon kicked in your face on the beach

holy fuck, how old is this interview?!
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>>101645664
my guess would be 2009
he was talking on our forums about how neat it was using voice recognition instead of having to get his assistant "Rob" to type everything for him
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>>101645941
hes not overly tech literate but he gets around better than most people his age
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>>101645941
He's talking about a 50 MHz 486. Those things were pitifully outdated in 1999, let alone 2009.
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“There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.”
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>>101646075
voice recognition wasn't exactly good in 99
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>>101646187
That's the joke.
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>>101642058
Vorbis is pretty much my most favourite religious fanatic villain.
Because much too often it turns out that those evil fanatics are hypocrites and they act contrary to what they said, have misstresses and are pedophiles or whatever.
Vorbis is scary because he not only really believes everything he says, but he also always acts accordingly. Even if it would actually do him no good (like burning down the library).
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>>101646139
Wonderful. Pratchett is one of those few people who can take a piss at religious people without coming off as totally assholish better-than-thous.
Also, from Monstrous Regiment, not exactly verbatim:
"The presence of those trying to find the truth is always to be preferred to those who'll tell you they have already found it."
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>>101633862
>anti-islam
>dwarves

They're obviously jews anon.
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>>101644261
I once read the german title for "Small Gods". I felt first disgusted, and then just empty inside.
I won't repeat that here, but it was such a bland, stupid, dumb, boring and ridiculous title for pretty much everything.
Germans are too stupid for titles.
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>>101646597
>slavishly devoted to the priests
>cover their females
>kill everyone that disagrees with them
>kill their own followers when they feel they aren't fanatical enough
>following ideals that aren't even in their religious teachings
Sure thing anon
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>>101630871
Death is the best MC
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>>101646597

Tolkein Dwarves are jews.

Pratchett Dwarves are Mudslimes.
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>>101646613
I feel you Germanbro.
Just reading it in English now.
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>>101646613
Simply Divine? Doesn't sound too bad, unlike the literal translation that would be Kleine Götter.
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Does anyone else feel he's going overboard with the cultural marxism?

In the early books Ankh Morpork meddling in other countries affairs was a bad thing, but he's been pushing the notAmerican way for years now. The first time I really noticed was Monstrous Regiment
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Reaper Man doesn't get enough love.
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>>101646914
Not sure what you mean, Vimes is basically going on about how he couldn't give less of a fuck if a ton of stupid countries crush each others skulls since the dawn of history and that AM shouldn't be involved.
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>>101641301
About everything that made the Tiffany Aching books fun was tossed to the floor for no reason and the villain is a shitty chinese knockoff of the Hiver.
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>>101646914
Well, in Snuff, he described Ankh Morpork as a melting pot that only melts one way, which sounds pretty negative to me. Certainly his newer books are a lot different from his first ones in tones and theme.
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>>101647080
Raising Steam is basically about how everyone should embrace capitalism and technology and everyone that doesn't is a retard that deserves to die.

Suddenly Albrecht is a goblinfucker.
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>>101647380
No, he's describing how everything has to become Ankh Morpork, but it's totally ok because they get money and freedom.

>>101647080
Yeah, but he was totally meddling to stop the war. Remember Angua? Remember the gnome? He's just tsundere.
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>>101647479
>Yeah, but he was totally meddling to stop the war. Remember Angua? Remember the gnome? He's just tsundere.
That's because, to Vimes, war is just another crime to be solved or stopped.
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>>101646914
>cultural marxism?
The what?
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>>101647393
He's introduced unstoppable technologies before, like the printing press and the semaphore. And insurance.

Besides, I don't think being a luddite or a communist is a winning strategy in real life either.
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>>101648023
Inn-sewer-ants I think you meant. I loved some of those "translations" for Twoflower's language.
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>>101647902
/pol/ shit.
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>>101648023
>like the printing press and the semaphore
Both of which apparently needed an entire book more or less devoid of plot or comedy to introduce into a setting that could happily go without them.
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>>101647479
>Yeah, but he was totally meddling to stop the war. Remember Angua? Remember the gnome? He's just tsundere.

He was already shoved into meddling in the war by international politics. Remember that he was there as the head of the coalition. Vimes just chose to meddle in his own way beyond that.
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>>101637927
>>101633068
It's not dementia, at least not as conventionally understood.

Pratchett has a rare form of "rear-to-front" alzheimers, which means he can still compose books and be an engaging conversationalist, but he can't walk up stairs or tie his shoelaces.

I saw him on a panel last August, and he was still awesome.
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>>101648670
>I saw him on a panel last August, and he was still awesome.
Thanks for giving me hope, Anon.
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Wow this hit post limit pretty quick
All these pratchett fans. I guess he's pretty -ing big
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>>101649466
No, /a/ just has excellent taste in literature.
Unlike our taste in animu.
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>>101649525
>No, /a/ just has excellent taste in literature.
I don't care much for literature, I prefer to read a good book.
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>>101633017
The fucking hell. I was still reading that. I also totally did not see that coming. excuse me while i erase my memory.



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