Can dead celebrities and recent historical figures like former presidents become servants?
But what about historical figures like Iskander?
What would MJ's Noble Phantasm be?
Because he did something notable.
But MJ saved all those kids from Joe Pesci in that movie
Assassin, with the ability to morph into other people without being detected
Summoning random animals to attack people? Ressurect the dead and turn into a werewolf? Or change into a giant mecha version of himself?
Or maybe even summon a giant skeletal version of the Elephant Man
Can you reserve celebrities for when they die?
I want Hulk Hogan or Mr. T as Berserker
if bowie was dead. he would make the best servant.
If something they did is recognized as "impossible", "legendary", "a divine deed" or just about anything that no mortal should be able to do, then yes.
Sadly, nowadays everything can be explained with science, so people won't believe that kind of thing.
Can Lassie be Lancer?
Well MJ did do a bunch of weird crazy shit
They could become Counter-guardians and be summoned that way.
And it's all believable/explainable
What about christianism? It's a load of bullshit, but millions of people around the world still believe in that. Could one, say, have Pope John Paul II as a servant? That'd be ballin'.
Nah, they all know JPII was a man, and not enough people are deranged enough to actually believe he could make miracles.
Some faggot from an Australian or African tribe has a better chance.
If somebody were to create a time machine to unravel these so called "miracles", would the servants cease to exist?
1. The time machine itself is regarded as magic and you become a Loki-like trickster demon.
2. Your proof is showed to people from this era, but people from other times still believe it, and their belief keeps powering the legend
And can Jesus Christ be a servant?
In response to scenario 2, what if instead of showing people of our era, he educated those living in the time of said legend?
Could Nikola Tesla or Josip Broz Tito become Servants?
Nikola Tesla was a genius who apparently discovered a way to generate limitless power
Tito was a war hero who amassed a huge military and civilian following, and is one of the only people to have kept 3 conflicting religious nations unified during their lifetime.
>not enough people are deranged enough to actually believe he could make miracles
You probably live in some yuropoor atheist country or something.
I'm a dirty spic in a shit 3rd world country and you would not believe the lengths to which people would go to prove that that kind of shit was real. Just recently some nun from around here was made a saint by the vatican and you would not believe the fuckton of pilgrims and religious tourism that that spawned. While I was conscripted I joined a group of people that didn't usually go to sunday mass (about 6-7 out of 200) and we got PT'd until we were almost dead. After that every single sergeant that crossed any of us demanded we explain why the fuck we didn't believe in God and bullshit. And have you really never seen those documentaries about the people who flagellate themselves in Easter because m-muh jeezus?
Religion is fucking crazy, trust me.
I still think Santa would be the best Servant.
No need to offend every nonamerica country, dude. Relax. Still, you might be right. In the end it's up to the people, I guess.
yuropoors, spics, murrilards, everyone a shit.
The Throne of Heroes lies beyond time, so I doubt it would affect the Servants.
Oh right, there's that too. Even if you affect the timeline, there was once a timeline where people believed, and that's enough.
>and recent historical figures like former presidents
Only Teddy Roosevelt.
Almost all modern-day humans aren't supernaturally cool enough to qualify as Heroic Spirits. The exceptions are kept from the eye of the public by the Church & Mage Association.
Note that Iskander was partially divine and had a pair of bulls that could fly, so he's not exactly a historical figure in the mundane sense.
does artificially creating a timeline where another person takes a famous heroes place create another hero?
If servants exist outside of time, if you were to assassinate King Arthur before any heroic deeds in your timeline, would he still be able to be summoned in the future?
Yeah, he should.
Although I'll add that original Type-Moon characters like Arcueid have shown up as Servants in some spin-offs so I might be wrong after all. I dunno how canonical their appearances are in the grand scheme of things.
Saber's wish was to have someone else replace her as King Arthur in exchange for becoming a Counter Guardian. The implication is that the World would still get it hands on the person who represents the legend of King Arthur, so yeah.
They're all canon, even Carnival Phantasm is.
> he has a shape shifting ability
>If servants exist outside of time, if you were to assassinate King Arthur before any heroic deeds in your timeline, would he still be able to be summoned in the future?
Yes. Which is why EMIYA went full retard when he tried to kill Shirou.
Nobody knows, not even Nasu since he can't write for shit. Don't listen to these faggots, they're just spouting their shitty headcannons trying to make sense with the clusterfuck of a universe only made interesting by kawaii girls you get to fuck in the game.
Caster Michael-Jackson having the ability to turn to sand like in his remember the time music video
That would be amazing
So Hitler counts right
So if Nicholas Cage dies can I summon him as a servant?
What would he do?
Take faces off.
Anon, Bowie can't die.
Obviously Caster so he can use poison gas magic
What would Stalin be?
Lancer. His NP is a Gate of Babylon ripoff except it only shoots out iron rods. Because, like, the iron curtain, or some shit.
>not uranium rods
Depends on your view on Jesus, if you treat him like a semigod (a human that happens to be the son of a god) he can be servant, if you treat him like a simple human (like on the islam where Jesus is just a prophet) he can be servant, if you treat him like god himself (like on the catholic and orthodox churches) he can't be a servant because gods can't be summoned.
The problem is that Jesus is all of those things at the same time, so he can't be summoned at all.
>Priest Summons Jesus
>Gets Saint Young Men Jesus
Jesus is the son of God, God and a normal human at the same time.
Dude, it's fiction, you or fucking Nasu can asspull that he's actually human and shit, and if you summon him he can testify of his 100% human or demigod heritage.
(Like King Arthur actually being a girl for example)
>Dude, it's fiction
There has been a man who lived during that time named Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, that's real enough.
And catholics and orthodox will be shitting bricks.
By "fiction" I meant the servant part...
>because gods can't be summoned
While it doesn't exactly prove you wrong, in 3rei, Thor comes in the form of a class card.
They'd probably think he's a fraud.