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Can dead celebrities and recent historical figures like former presidents become servants?
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no
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>>101625159

But what about historical figures like Iskander?
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What would MJ's Noble Phantasm be?
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>>101625239

Because he did something notable.
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>>101625266

But MJ saved all those kids from Joe Pesci in that movie
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>>101625252
Assassin, with the ability to morph into other people without being detected
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>>101625252

Summoning random animals to attack people? Ressurect the dead and turn into a werewolf? Or change into a giant mecha version of himself?

Or maybe even summon a giant skeletal version of the Elephant Man
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Can you reserve celebrities for when they die?

I want Hulk Hogan or Mr. T as Berserker
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Assassin.
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if bowie was dead. he would make the best servant.
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>>101625057
If something they did is recognized as "impossible", "legendary", "a divine deed" or just about anything that no mortal should be able to do, then yes.
Sadly, nowadays everything can be explained with science, so people won't believe that kind of thing.
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Can Lassie be Lancer?
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>>101625759

Well MJ did do a bunch of weird crazy shit
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They could become Counter-guardians and be summoned that way.
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>>101625809
And it's all believable/explainable
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>>101625759
What about christianism? It's a load of bullshit, but millions of people around the world still believe in that. Could one, say, have Pope John Paul II as a servant? That'd be ballin'.
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>>101625912
Nah, they all know JPII was a man, and not enough people are deranged enough to actually believe he could make miracles.
Some faggot from an Australian or African tribe has a better chance.
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>>101625904
If somebody were to create a time machine to unravel these so called "miracles", would the servants cease to exist?
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>>101625988
Possibilities
1. The time machine itself is regarded as magic and you become a Loki-like trickster demon.
2. Your proof is showed to people from this era, but people from other times still believe it, and their belief keeps powering the legend
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Berserker

And can Jesus Christ be a servant?
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>>101626069
In response to scenario 2, what if instead of showing people of our era, he educated those living in the time of said legend?

Could Nikola Tesla or Josip Broz Tito become Servants?

Nikola Tesla was a genius who apparently discovered a way to generate limitless power

Tito was a war hero who amassed a huge military and civilian following, and is one of the only people to have kept 3 conflicting religious nations unified during their lifetime.
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>>101625979
>not enough people are deranged enough to actually believe he could make miracles
You probably live in some yuropoor atheist country or something.

I'm a dirty spic in a shit 3rd world country and you would not believe the lengths to which people would go to prove that that kind of shit was real. Just recently some nun from around here was made a saint by the vatican and you would not believe the fuckton of pilgrims and religious tourism that that spawned. While I was conscripted I joined a group of people that didn't usually go to sunday mass (about 6-7 out of 200) and we got PT'd until we were almost dead. After that every single sergeant that crossed any of us demanded we explain why the fuck we didn't believe in God and bullshit. And have you really never seen those documentaries about the people who flagellate themselves in Easter because m-muh jeezus?

Religion is fucking crazy, trust me.
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I still think Santa would be the best Servant.
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>>101626261
>yuropoor
>spic
No need to offend every nonamerica country, dude. Relax. Still, you might be right. In the end it's up to the people, I guess.
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>>101626327
yuropoors, spics, murrilards, everyone a shit.
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>>101625988
The Throne of Heroes lies beyond time, so I doubt it would affect the Servants.
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>>101626377
Oh right, there's that too. Even if you affect the timeline, there was once a timeline where people believed, and that's enough.
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>>101625057
>and recent historical figures like former presidents
Only Teddy Roosevelt.
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Almost all modern-day humans aren't supernaturally cool enough to qualify as Heroic Spirits. The exceptions are kept from the eye of the public by the Church & Mage Association.

Note that Iskander was partially divine and had a pair of bulls that could fly, so he's not exactly a historical figure in the mundane sense.
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>>101626432
does artificially creating a timeline where another person takes a famous heroes place create another hero?

If servants exist outside of time, if you were to assassinate King Arthur before any heroic deeds in your timeline, would he still be able to be summoned in the future?
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>>101626557
Yeah, he should.
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>>101626501
Although I'll add that original Type-Moon characters like Arcueid have shown up as Servants in some spin-offs so I might be wrong after all. I dunno how canonical their appearances are in the grand scheme of things.
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>>101626557
>he
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>>101626557
Saber's wish was to have someone else replace her as King Arthur in exchange for becoming a Counter Guardian. The implication is that the World would still get it hands on the person who represents the legend of King Arthur, so yeah.
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>>101626650
They're all canon, even Carnival Phantasm is.
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>>101625630

> he has a shape shifting ability
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>>101626557
>If servants exist outside of time, if you were to assassinate King Arthur before any heroic deeds in your timeline, would he still be able to be summoned in the future?

Yes. Which is why EMIYA went full retard when he tried to kill Shirou.
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>>101625057
Nobody knows, not even Nasu since he can't write for shit. Don't listen to these faggots, they're just spouting their shitty headcannons trying to make sense with the clusterfuck of a universe only made interesting by kawaii girls you get to fuck in the game.
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>>101627990
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Caster Michael-Jackson having the ability to turn to sand like in his remember the time music video

That would be amazing
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So Hitler counts right
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>>101628374

Berserker?
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So if Nicholas Cage dies can I summon him as a servant?
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>>101628583

What would he do?
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>>101628857
Take faces off.
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>>101625630
Anon, Bowie can't die.
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>>101628421
Obviously Caster so he can use poison gas magic
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>>101628583
What would Stalin be?
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>>101630450
Lancer. His NP is a Gate of Babylon ripoff except it only shoots out iron rods. Because, like, the iron curtain, or some shit.
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>>101631245
>not uranium rods
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>>101631245
>>101631452
>not dildos
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>>101626122
Depends on your view on Jesus, if you treat him like a semigod (a human that happens to be the son of a god) he can be servant, if you treat him like a simple human (like on the islam where Jesus is just a prophet) he can be servant, if you treat him like god himself (like on the catholic and orthodox churches) he can't be a servant because gods can't be summoned.
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>>101632253
The problem is that Jesus is all of those things at the same time, so he can't be summoned at all.
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>>101632474
>Priest Summons Jesus
>Gets Saint Young Men Jesus
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>>101632253
Jesus is the son of God, God and a normal human at the same time.
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>>101632474
Dude, it's fiction, you or fucking Nasu can asspull that he's actually human and shit, and if you summon him he can testify of his 100% human or demigod heritage.
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>>101632811

(Like King Arthur actually being a girl for example)
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>>101632811
>Dude, it's fiction
There has been a man who lived during that time named Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, that's real enough.
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>>101632811
And catholics and orthodox will be shitting bricks.
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>>101632886
By "fiction" I meant the servant part...
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>>101632253
>because gods can't be summoned
While it doesn't exactly prove you wrong, in 3rei, Thor comes in the form of a class card.

>>101632957
They'd probably think he's a fraud.



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