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Hey, /a/. This isn't about anime as much as it is about psychology, but it's related.
I've watched quite a few animes where a character, sometimes main character, is quite intelligent and all s/he does is study.
Picture related.

I'm wondering if anyone has an idea as to what influence would lead someone to becoming like that - doing nothing much else but studying at an early age (or even during high school) in comparison to spending time, partying. I don't think it's just introversion - I've been a shy introvert. Any ideas, thence, as to how or why one ends up that way?

tl;dr What influences some people to study like Yagami Light did (have such high ideals)?

Sorry for shit image quality.
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Being Japanese helps.
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>animes
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>>101619995
Okay, it does, but why? How do they bring up their kids differently? What influences them to be such... people who only study? What about fun and all that, then? Don't they need it?
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>>101619954
>I'm wondering if anyone has an idea as to what influence would lead someone to becoming like that
Living in Japan
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>>101620171
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decade_%28Japan%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elderly_people_in_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaryman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_work_environment

Knock yourself out
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>>101620367
Could you be implying that the only way to have any money in Japan is to try and get into the elite ranks by studying?
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>>101620459
Well, at least it's a starter. I'm curious to know any all I've heard so far is "living in Japan, living in Japan"
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>>101620459
yes? money equals happiness how else can you afford to buy all those animes?
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>>101620506
Because it's obvious their culture places more emphasis on studying than ours.
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It's like you've never met an asian person in your life
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Some people actually think about their future

Hard to believe I know
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>>101619995
>>101620197
And now it finally hits me why that guy was so Asexual
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>>101620459
Going to a semi-decent university in Japan is a major prerequisite for working at a decent company.
Actually studying/attending lectures at university is not, most places adjust the difficulty levels of final examinations accordingly. Whilst at university, the average Japanese student gets the chance to slack off while they look for the job they will probably do for the rest of their life.

I'll throw this in as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite_singles
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Isn't it because in Japan you have to pay to go to elementary through high school?
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>>101621326
Up to middle school is covered by gov. High school is not.

Also, what >>101621251 said. That's just how Japanese, and East Asian society in general, works. Exams are everything all the way up to university.
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>>101620869
I have. Have I talked with them? - No.

>>101620895
You can survive, reproduce, and feed yourself well by having lots and lots of fun, living the American way. Can't you? - Satisfy your hedonistic impulses and earn lots of money.

To where, in that equation, goes studying like Yagami Light did? - he wanted a high place in society, I presume, but at that age, how did he had his mind already made up. What contributed to him being like he was?
>inb4 "Living in Japan"
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>>101621505
>What contributed to him being like he was?
Working with the police might have been a factor
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>>101622256
- What about the beginning of the anime? - He didn't always work with the police, did he?
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>>101619954
I've met people like this. It's just a weird frame of mind that seems to develop on its own. I went to a high-performing school and there was one girl in particular who literally just studied, all the time. When she didn't have homework she was reading notes, revising, listening to vocabulary lists, or reading related books to the topics. It was actually kind of scary.

And it's not always the parents, that girl's parents wanted her to do well but also wanted her to go out and stuff but she never did, she always just stayed in and did past papers and stuff.
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>>101622643
He worked with the police before the story started. They mention it a couple of times
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>>101619954
- In general, Japan enforces a culture of heavy studying at young ages. From what I understand, they're basically set for life if they get into a good university so it's not that strange.
- Light has lofty dreams and is willing to devote his life to achieve them
- He doesn't seem like the kind of person who would enjoy "partying"

Personally, I studied fairly seriously in high school simply because there wasn't anything I wanted to do and studying would at least be productive. I didn't spend time with others or party simply because I didn't want to, and so I figure I probably came off like the kind of person you describe.

This thread ought to go on a different board, though I'm not sure which.
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>>101619954
You'd be like that if you were born in any first world country in Asia. Trust me, I'm in the top 1% of students in my country.
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>>101622644
I wonder why. I'm just damn curious. Any ideas as to why she was that way?

>>101622671
Thanks. I'd forgotten that.

>>101622786
But if enforcement of culture is the same for everyone, why did others ... be different from him? - Why do, then, some study less, some more?
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>>101623291
>But if enforcement of culture is the same for everyone, why did others ... be different from him? - Why do, then, some study less, some more?
Because people aren't machines, dipshit
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>>101619954
>animes
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>>101623343
Explain "machines". Light wasn't a machine either, or was he?
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>>101623901
He's saying people are different you idiot
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>>101623901
He might as well be

Seriously imaging Light as a cyborg makes Death Note make more sense
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Japanese education is far more intense than in the West, there is way more pressure to do well and get into a reputable university because that is how you get a good job in Japan. The entrance exams for good universities and high schools are extremely competitive and many people have to go to cram schools straight after school in order to stand a chance. Light's dad is also quite high up in the police so they were probably pressuring him to do well.
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>>101624280
I don't know big differences between the west 'n the east, i.e. Japan vs America's politics. I live in neither areas. Big play's in education politics, huh... Then what does the US do differently so as to not end up with a similar outcome?
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>>101619954

The whole "straight A's or worthless" mentality isn't only Japanese, it's prominent in many Asian countries and comes from how the system for Chinese government officials used to work. Namely, exams takes throughout a person's life that would allow them to become a government official and from there on gain higher positions. One failed exam could mean the end of someone's career.
Back then, it was quite a progressive system; you could rise to positions of power in society by being good at something (even if it was poetry, given the period) rather than being born into it.
Obviously, nowadays one failed exam shouldn't be the end of somebody's future, at least not in Japan (China, Vietnam etc this is likely still the case for poor people), but through history it is the general mindset of people and parents will push their children to get good grades (in order to get a good position in society), some more than others obviously. And of course some children are more inclined to follow these expectations.
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>>101623291
I think there was a certain insecurity to that girl that I talked about, she was always comparing herself to others and would even talk to teachers after lessons if she missed one mark out of a hundred. It was her way of coping with the weird world we live in I guess, and it's a pretty good way if you ask me. She's gone to a top university in England now and is on the right track to get a first. She'll be employed without even trying and get paid a ton, she's basically winning before she's even 25.
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>>101619954
Slightly related question.

Why do the Japanese classrooms look so similar to regular American classrooms? How old are modern Japanese schools? Who invented "the classroom", for that matter? By far one of the strangest things when watching school anime to me is how familiar everything feels.
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>>101620869
Actually when I first watched anime, I was surprised at how common the opposite stereotype was - "The Delinquent". Every Asian American I knew in high school was a "smart" person and an overachiever. So I was surprised at how much these idealized chinese cartoons seemed to glamorize laziness and mediocrity.
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>>101626019
They don't, they're constantly harassed by other students saying they shouldn't be lazy etc.And part of the perfect girl intro is always someone saying like wow she so's beautiful, everyone loves her and she has good grades.
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>>101626019
What's glamorised is the freedom with which they live their lives, defying structure and order.
Nevertheless, in most cases they will be inevitably made to study or will discover something that they want to do outside of the school system
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>>101625614
As an Asian myself, I can confirm this. It's "straight A's or nothing". This kind of mentality is still strong. To get into reputable, high-ranked universities, you'll have to at least get 8/10 A's (depending on how much subjects you take) on the final exam in high school, and those eight includes the core subjects (4-5 subjects), and your electives (in my class, 4 subjects). I have 10 subjects in total, and it is very important to get straight A's, because it's the only way for me to secure a good future.

Without lots of A's, chances of getting into good universities is low, unless if you some rich brat, and have your parent pay for you (non-local/government universities). And even if I have graduated from universities, the certificate from the high school is still important when I'm trying to find a job.

And there's this exam before you get into high school. If you score badly, you won't get to the top-classes, which is mainly the Science classes. Not in the Science class? Worthless. The Science class is the hope, the future of the school, of the country. It all depends on how much A you get on the exams.
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>>101626572
>As an Asian myself
Good luck trying to explain your 'shared identity' to a Japanese person
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>>101626572
So, there's a sort of an inherent "fear-system" putting this whole thing into locomotion, if I get it correct? The bunch of "if you won't"-s.

That's pretty awesome to know. What of Americans and other people, then? Besides the system of "A or nothing," what of people who end up taking it to their own hands, who become perfectionists and whatnot, in other countries. Any idea as to why some people end up like that if education politics isn't the cause?

>inb4 childhood influences; if so, then what kind of?

>>101625885
Dno... yet.
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>>101625885
Post war, allied occupation forces made the diet write a whole bunch of laws about compulsory education, and made them reform the school system to follow the American model.

Most schools in Japan were built between 1950-1980 and followed the same government blueprint, which is why they mostly look the same.
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>>101626572
Hold the fuck on. Are you Singaporean?
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>>101627161
Well, I can't say it's 'shared', but true, we do have some things in common, although the Japanese much more worse.

>>101627805
No, but close.

>>101627275
To be honest, I don't know. It totally depends on the person himself. If he chose to study and it is what he likes doing the most, then there's no stopping them. They chose to study, they want to study, most probably to get the better of themselves, or to be better than anyone. There must be something that drives them to be like that, although I can't really say what it is for certain. They realize that their knowledge is very limited, yet it expands so much when they learn something new, even of a very little significance. Like I said, I don't really know. It totally depends on the person. Like me, I really like to study, because I feel that gaining knowledge is interesting, even if they won't be useful to me in the near future for me, the knowledge that I had gained must be useful any time later, if not for myself, for anyone else.

Perfectionists? I don't think it's related in any way. It's a totally different thing, and being a perfectionist doesn't mean you will want to study, or make you someone who dedicate most of his time studying.

It's really hard to say anything for certain, because this is a subjective matter, and to have an 'accurate' answer, you'll have to gather up answers from various people, people who are related to your current topic at hand.
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Just go fucking read up on anything about schooling in Asia. It's pretty common knowledge.
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>>101629702
It's not completely subjective matter in the sense that I meant it; i.e. everyone and -thing follows a causal pattern. That's what I meant. What caused them to study the way they do is subjective - different for people.

I don't inherently like to study, but, in my case, it's got to do a lot with coping with life. I've associated coping and learning new things through a series of past events, yada-yada. I think you get the point.

By "not subjective" I would mean that even though actual causes can be different, the underlying reasons (causes again?) can be the same - attempting to fulfill hedonistic impulses (the obtaining of pleasure). I think we're getting off topic a lot and my mind's wandering too much.

>>101629927
Yeah, not just Jap... Asia, in general. Korean study methods, Chinese study methods... etc etc.



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