Griffith did nothing wrong, look at his innocent expression. It was a conspiracy
>I'm Griffith you seeeee?! ~
>*holds up red behelit*
Griffith is life.
More like destiny/fate.
It was the consequences of homosexuality. It starts with strange glances at your straight friends and ends with you raping black people to ascend to a higher existence.
I'm pretty sure that's how AIDS started too.
If Griffith is wrong, I don't want there to be a right
Threadly reminder that Griffith whored his boypussy to get an army
nah he's a fucking homo, we've been through this
he got fucked by a old man
IN THE ASS
guts got fucked by a black man
If Guts offered to become his lover, would Griffith take him back?
The moment he stuck his nasty bird penis in Casca it was over.
astarotte no omocha cuz plot
But if they had just fucked before he went and spent a night with that torturebait, everything would have been avoided.
Most of it could have been avoided had he just not slept over.
Fuck the princess.
Run like hell
It's that simple Griffith.
>muh rape fantasy
to be fair, if you got locked up for almost 2 years and were tortured to the point of not even being able to walk or speak or even feed yourself i'm sure you'd rape something too.
What if a Go Nagai is pulled and Caska dies for good while Griffith and Gutts get together in Berserker Lady?
>Most of it could have been avoided had he just not slept over.
Yeah, but he was so emotionally wounded from Guts rejecting him that he was clearly not using much commonsense.
I'd probably rather lose myself in drugs at that point.
I bet Caska was masturbating every night to this.
Can you blame her?
Question, when Griffith was giving that little speech about how a true friend wouldn't follow him and have his own dream, blah blah blah, was he just bullshiting? Because when Guts goes and tries to do just that because he thinks thats what Griffith wants, Griffith has an emotional breakdown.
Philosophy and desires don't always match up.
Griffith didn't even realize how much Guts meant to him until Guts left him because Griffith had convinced himself that there were only his dream and lofty ideals for him.
Guts never explained to him how he felt. As far as Griffith knew, he was just leaving because he was sick of Griffith and the rest of the Band. Also, I think Guts was an exception to Griffith's view on what makes a life valuable. Guts had no greater purpose, but fought harder than people who do just to stay alive. He was an enigma and Griffith really liked that about him.
No, he probably meant every word of it.
However, the situation kinda played out like a catch-22. By leaving and rejecting Griffith's dream, Griffith recognized Guts at being his only real boyfriend. But it also meant he was going to lose that relationship, since Guts no longer had a reason to stick around.
It's amazing how much suffering in this series could have been avoided if a few minor things had been different.
If Gutts hadn't been there that night and heard that little speech, he might have stayed longer. If him and Griffith had just talked instead of fighting, non of that would have happened.
If Guts had just died under that tree...
Griffith was just trying to make the Princess experience 'gina tingles. He is not a genuine person.
He tinged her 'gina alright.
Things will never be different, there is no spiral
That's what tragedy's all about. Half the sadness comes from the idea that it was all easily avoidable. That's also why they're so hard to write well, because those little incidents have to feel genuine and not forced. Berserk might have the best one I've ever read though, because I felt both characters had really good reasons for doing what they did.
>any scenario that requires the release of more than ten chapters in the remainder of the author's lifespan
Actually, I doubt the Eclipse or torture would have been avoided if Guts was never there. Guts seems to be one of the only characters in the managa that isn't bound by fate or destiny. He's some sort of wildcard, which is probably part of why he's had so much suffering directed towards him his entire life. It's like the world is trying to smooth out a wrinkle, but is only making it worse.
But if Guts wasn't the one to break Griffith's heart, it probably just would have been Casca's role instead.
If he did nothing wrong then why would you try to defend him?
Probably for the same reason other people try to condemn him. If he really did do something 'objectively wrong' there would be no need to convince others of that fact. But people with insecurities tend to be vocal about their beliefs, on both sides of an argument.
Of course he's a good person, look how cute he is.
>If he really did do something 'objectively wrong' there would be no need to convince others of that fact.
Why would an objectively immoral act be innately apparent to everyone?
It wouldn't, but there would be nothing gained by convincing other people a fictional character is a bad person.
There'd be the satisfaction of convincing someone else to adopt your point of view, even if it's just about a character in a manga.
But I also still agree, since every "x character did nothing wrong" statement is just lazy bait.
Ever since Hitler did nothing wrong, it's just funny.
Such nice friendship on display in this thread
Griffith really did nothing wrong though, everyone in the Band of the Hawk would have given their life for him. Instead, he took their lives and made himself into a cool bird.
I wouldn't call it bait, since there are almost always legitimate reasons somebody can claim a character did nothing wrong. It is lazy though.
Bait doesn't mean that there's nothing behind it, just that it is deliberately set out in the knowledge that there are strong opposing opinions about it, in the hope of sparking some flames.
Now in case you say that Griffith is bad because he raped Casca, he pretty much owned that ass. He had to put her in her place and give Guts a spanking for deflowering his prize.
Oh, in that case I totally agree.
Are Guts and Griffith the greatest couple that never was?
They're definitely up there.
He can't hide his true feelings
>He had to put her in her place and give Guts a spanking for deflowering his prize.
>Implying it wasn't a spanking for breaking his heart
>everyone in the Band of the Hawk would have given their life for him
That's probably true, but it's still not what they Hawks signed up for. There's difference between dying for your leader in battle and dying for your leader as a human sacrifice to demons.
I think Griffith was thinking more about the Band members who had already died on the battlefield. He was never able to fully deal with losing comrades, and simply suppressed his emotions and told himself he'd make it up to them by achieving the dream they died for. The sacrifice was basically an ultimatum between letting all their deaths be for naught, or being directly responsible for the deaths of the remaining Hawk members. That's a really fucked up and sad decision no matter which option he took.
Nah, he was caught in the act. The maid was going to tell the King.
If he ran, the Hawks would still have to flee the country. And the likelihood of them getting as lucky as they did here in terms of politics with the Tudors is slim. Especially with all the bad blood that would surround them in Tudor.
Where can I read volumes 27-36? Batoto skipped those for some reason.
When I first read Berserk I was really taken by Casca. I was sure I had finally found my waifu. I loved everything about her and I wanted to hold her tight and tell her it would all be okay.
And then the fucking Eclipse happened. Why must this be so hard.
>having a waifu who belongs to another man
I felt the same, except about Griffith. Now I have to wait 10 years to see whether he stays pure, or if he turns into a typical comic book villain.
Don't we talk about this every single day?
We talk about EVERYTHING every single day
1-35 of the Dark Horse translations can be found here.
36 and 37 should be coming sometime soon, whenever somebody finishes scanning and editing them.
No. Fuck you. Fuck Griffith. He's an awful sack of shit and I hope Guts rips him into fucking two.
Why would he do such a horrible thing to Casca. It's not fair.
No bullying, please! Everyone has had more than their fair share of misery in Berserk.
99% of it is caused by you, you androgynous murdering motherfucker.
The dead ex-hawks in his dream flashback inside the Eclipse hell were just to show that in the end, Griffith is still just a shitty fallible human.
When he then chose to sacrifice his remaining followers, it ultimately proved that Griffith was a frail little shit human that nobody needs to shed a tear for.
In his place, the Black Wings of Darkness, Femto of the God Hand, arises and shall lead the Apostles to a new age of evil, where humans become cattle, monsters shall rule supreme, and insanity is omnipresent. His shell is clad in the blood and flesh of the humans that were once the Band of the Hawk. His essence is made of pure Evil. His desires are the desires of Evil. Femto is a mockery of the dream that the shitty mortal Griffith sought.
Now Griffith is forever gone.
All that remains is Griffith/Femto, ruler of Falconia. And soon, he shall hunt the magicians, fairy kinds, elemental lords and benevolent spirits of nature that can oppose the forces of Evil.
>one reborn as a god
>the other reborn as a retard
well guts was raped by donovan, griffith just whored himself
>Why would he do such a horrible thing to Casca.
You wouldn't get some fresh pussy after becoming a demigod?
Too bad Guts had already taken her virginity.
Either way we both have to wait a decade to see whether or not our husbando/waifu comes back in a way we want.
That's some really weak speculation. Nobody knows for sure what's going to happen, but it's just as likely Falconia will be a true utopia and Guts will become the bad guy.
He only wanted to make their sacrifices worth it.
How is it like to have a husbando that was fucked in the ass by an old man and who fucked a little girl?
Eh, no. Femto send two of his most powerful warriors with a horde of mooks to get rid of an old dying witch. There's a land full of wizards and witches and fairies where Guts is traveling to (on his never-ending boat ride).
Also, even if Griffith did nothing but sit on is evil ass for the rest of the series, everyone near him will go to Hell for interacting with a being made of pure evil, just like all those people and the slug count.
>He only wanted to make their sacrifices worth it.
And it wasn't.
There is no Griffith anymore. Good riddance to both him and the Band of Hawks.
An old dying witch who was close to Skull Knight, who for all we know is worse than the Godhand. Hell in Berserk isn't really explained well enough to make an assertion like that, either. For all we know everyone goes to hell, no matter what. That little old doctor guy the Count tortured also ended up in the soul vortex, so it's not just people who deal with demons.
He did it out of love for his troops. It only makes me like him more.
Even if Griffith isn't Griffith anymore, Femto is doing some good things for the world at the moment. Everyone in Midland would be dead or enslaved by the Kushan if it weren't for him. Whether or not he continues doing nice things for the world is a totally different question, though.
>He did it out of love for his troops
He did it for himself.
I hope you do actually own the books, and aren't using shitty scanlations from the Band of Hawks-scanlator group, since you seem to have forgotten that it was explicitly said by the God Hand (in fact by Femto himself, and Slaan) that interacting with evil leads you to Hell.
Hell in Berserk is a giant maelstrom of souls where you slowly dissolve and cease existing, but before that happens, you will be drawn in eternal darkness.
And Fiora the Witch was hunted by the Apostles simply because she is a powerful witch. The Apostles didn't even expect the Skull Knight at all.
I can understand that you don't like Griffith, but don't act like concern for his dead allies wasn't part of his character. It only makes you look like you don't know how to read.
Being butt-raped by a sandnigger Kushan was better than being butt-raped by trolls and eaten alive by dragons at the same time.
Kushans at least might let you live and make you plow their lands while they fuck your daughters.
Trolls just eat you and fuck your daughters to death (and these are the lucky ones, the unlucky ones give birth to baby trolls).
No, it wasn't. Going by the Dark Horse translation, they say the Count will go to hell because 'That's what becomes of those who get caught up with demonkind.' Then Puck says 'Does that mean...Guts?!'. Puck isn't an authority on how that shit works, so all we can say is that the apostles themselves will end up in hell. And that could exclusively be because anyone who had inner turmoil goes to hell automatically, and all apostles naturally have inner turmoil.
Little old doctor guy was basically eaten by an apostle. Not to say that that means only demons can put you in hell, but we haven't seen any country farmers die peacefully o old age, then get sent to the infinite rape pits.
And the Skull knight hasn't done anything evil yet. The only things we've seen him do is killing apostles, who are established to be inherently evil. Maybe capable of doing the odd sympathetic act, like the count not sacrificing his daughter, but 99% of them are irredeemable. So, if you're comparing the skull night to the godhand, because "for all we know he's worse", without any actions to back that, is basically saying that anyone could be absolute evil. Old men at villages they pass, puck, whoever.
Until there's been at least something to suggest evil, it's pointless to accuse characters who are thus far noble of holding ulterior evil
>Until there's been at least something to suggest evil, it's pointless to accuse characters who are thus far noble of holding ulterior evil
Exactly why there's no reason to assume reborn Griffemto is evil. So far he's been exclusively beneficial, with the which being the only person he has hurt since being reborn. We don't know her true nature, or his motivations so it's 100% up in the air right now.
Are you kidding? He has brought D&D fantasy monsters to the world who are killing everything that hasn't managed to flee to Falconia yet.
I have the bad feeling that it will end with rage overtaking guts and him sacrificing everything to get a shot at griffith. Most likely after Casca is killed/raped again
He brought all of mankind's fantasies into the real world, both good and bad in equal measure.
>the only person he has hurt since being reborn
he. raped. his. friend.
Nobody wanted the trolls. And dragons. And hydras. And harpies (no, not even them).
Unless the God Hand were such dicks that they implanted the desire for humanity to be fucked up by trolls.
It wouldn't be impossible, just like they send a dream to mankind that they should long for Griffith/Femto's return.
I'm pretty sure the doctor was beheaded in the town square. We've also seen normal humans who were killed by other normal humans come back as wheel skeletons. Maybe hell isn't even a bad place, and the only ones we've been exposed to are restless souls that can't find inner peace, which is why they force their way into the world of the living.
The wheel riders were only zombies animated by the power of evil drawn to the Mark.
We saw the souls of the children that Guts killed when they were in fake-fairy form, however.
If chapter 83 is anything to go by, then people did want the trolls and dragons and hydras. The Idea of Evil and the Godhand have a single goal; to give humans what they secretly desire. It's not good or bad, it's just a manifestation of mankind's repressed wishes and emotions.
Dat Naruto face
They were drawn in from the mark, but they had to be drawn from somewhere. Maybe they weren't in the exact same hell as everyone in the soul vortex, but they were in some place of unrest and regret. If they were content in death then they wouldn't have come back looking for human flesh and screaming about revenge and justice.
So, can we all agree that Berserk is the greatest story to ever come from Japan?
Technically it wasn't all his fault. He just played into the hands of god and stuff. Just a pawn in the giant game of chess.
Now Guts is the only real motherfucker out there.
I read a fan theory that Nosferatu Zodd is Guts' genetic father. What do you guys think about that?
>I read a fanfiction
I think you're gay. Zodd is a baby back bitch and Guts kicks his ass every time they fight.
As always, the Idea of Evil is apocryphal for now, so its nature and everything is not relevant. What we know definitely that some otherworldly force can influence the dreams and desires of people.
There are lots of specters and phantoms around in the Netherworld. After a while, they will pass on go into deeper layers of reality.
I dunno, it sounds really plausible. Zodd was a mercenary going around contributing to many battles, and Guts was born on a gruesome battlefield. It would explain from a story perspective why there's a demon inside Guts and how he's so freakishly strong for a human being. They have the same hair. Zodd pretty much replaced Guts's role in the new Band of the Hawk, too.
That's a bit of an assumption. We know it can influence their dreams, but whether the desire was already there or not isn't certain.
Why don't you call him Zoddo while you're at it, and mispell Guts into Gattsu? And make Griffith into Guriffisu.
Just gonna leave this here.
Guts inheriting demonic aspects makes less sense thematically though, his strength is all about HFY.
Even when he's using the armor, it's mostly just draws out his body's potential.
The dream made them all long for a savior. So yes, desires can be manipulated. Mind-manipulation ought to be one of the simplest trick that high-level magical beings can do. Even a loli witchling can do that.
Guts already had his "anger managment issues" before he was even near the Berserk armor. That's the only reason he was ok with Farnesse and Serpicio accompaning him
Lesser-known Berserk trailers you say?
Don't speak Italian or anything, but I like how they used Slan's quote.
I'm sure they can, but whether or not they did is still something uncertain. The dream itself could have just been a reflection of what they already desired. And again, not to say that chapter 83 is iron clad or anything, but if it gives any insight at all into what the future of Berserk could be then the Idea of Evil's only goal would be to serve mankind's already present desires. It would have no reason to manipulate those desires, it would just aim to fulfill them.
His "friend" almost abandoned him to go with Guts. In fact, she started fucking him. Casca is a betraying slut, and she deserved to be raped.
But anyway, that was Femto, so probably not really Griffith.
Chapter 83 does not exist until Miura makes up his mind. For all we know, Miura actually intends to retcon the Idea of Evil into being a giant space flea monster from space similar to Lavos from the Chrono Trigger game, and then have the revelation that all those apostles and god hands were just alien parasites infesting humans.
>just alien parasites infesting humans.
implying Guts will not use the Behelith in the end.
I never said it did, and I never made any claims that would require 83 to exist to back them up. I've only said that there's a large degree of uncertainty still left in the story, and we don't know what mankind or the Godhand really want yet. Nothing has necessarily manipulated mankind's desires yet, for all we know they all wanted a savior LONG before Griffith was even reborn. Kushans were a problem for a long time before his resurrection.
We absolutely do know what the God Hand want. Bring in the Age of Darkness. They can manipulate dreams and desires of humans to make them shit their pants when they see a Griffith-clad Femto and lusting after his dicks. They are beings made of Malecules and Cruelectrons. They do this because they're evil. They're proud of being evil. If any of them had mustaches, they would twirl them while congratulating each another in having fucked over humanity with trolls.
He won't, even when it's presented to him, and he won't be dragged into Hell as a result. That's what makes him Guts.
That's a really loose theory. Nothing has necessarily shown that the Godhand is evil, or that the Age of Darkness is anything but a prophecy. The story could go in quite a few different directions at this point, and a some of them involve Guts becoming the Hawk of Darkness. Just try to wait and see where the story goes without making wild claims.
>and a some of them involve Guts becoming the Hawk of Darkness
Haha, oh wow.
It's going to be great when Griffith is murdered.
>Falconia is a true paradise
>Something happens to Guts' friends
>Desire for revenge overtakes him
>Bursts into Falconia destroying everything
That theory has been passed around for a while now. Nothing says it will come true, but nothing says it won't either. It's just speculation for now. Adhering to any theory is fucking dumb when the story isn't even finished yet.
He's too perfect to die.
I liked his look better when he didn't have huge lips, a too slender face, and mascara, though.
>Nothing has necessarily shown that the Godhand is evil, or that the Age of Darkness is anything but a prophecy.
Except them stating that they are evil and they want to bring the Age of Darkness. Step up your game, Gurifissu-defender.
I like his new angelic look, but I wish he'd smile a little more often.
In my opinion, this is the perfect Griffith. Cool, manly, but still androgynous and pretty.
However, objectively, what I think is the most appropriate depiction of Griffith is...
... Something more like this. I think Miura should have stayed with that style for Griffith.
He looks really good there. It's kind of surprising how different his eyes are. I wonder if anyone in the manga will point that out.
I think Griffith, like most people in real life, had his exceptions and personal hypocrisy concerning his philosophy in life. Guts was obviously one of them and it shows. I actually like how this was portrayed, it made Griffith realistic because as much as we want to think we're consistent with our moral code, we're not and we make mistakes and act hypocritical especially when it comes from people close to us.
> I wonder if anyone in the manga will point that out.
They won't, and let me show you why. Griffith hasn't changed physically from the manga's perspective, only from ours because of Miura's art style. In the manga, he never changed at all. See here how he says that Griffith has "the same face, the same smile", and yet...
...He's actually entirely different. The eyes, the face, the smile, the hair, everything. Miura just didn't draw Griffith consistently at all, which is a shame.
He was bullshitting but make no mistake: he WANTED to believe it. Remember how later on during the Eclipse he has that dream/flashback/illusion thing where he has to come to terms with sacrificing people he cares about in order to achieve his dream? That whole time he KNEW he was sacrificing people he cared about and he felt disgusting for it (see also: what he does after that kid soldier of his dies) so to make it feel less disgusting he pretended they were just tools and figured "it's fine that I'm using these people since they're not my friends and they offered themselves up willingly". Of course, this is incredibly obvious when we see what he does after Guts leaves.
In that picture of yours, Griffith and Guts are younger than the picture that >>101635305 posted.
Captcha: prostitu Greifin
It doesn't matter. Facial structure doesn't change that much after a few years.
Art-style improvements as well as the characters becoming older does.
You're right, he does change pretty drastically, even within the same arc. Maybe it's Miura's way of showing age, or maybe it's really hard to stay consistent. I think Casca has similar problems with her face, if I'm remembering things correctly.
It doesn't change the fact that he's been drawn very inconsistently.
They ALL change, but it's really more blatant AND frequent with Griffith. With most of the characters, you can just say that Miura just became a better artist, but with Griffith, it's really complete makeovers, not just improvement of already-existing style.
They're not exactly hiding that Griffith is an incarnation of evil of the highest order. In act they say it quite frequently. The Godhand's like "yeah, we're evil". Add to it the prophecies and such and basically Griffith's journey post-revival becomes the story of the antichrist who tricks humanity into thinking there's peace before subjugating the FUCK out of them.
Is just me or has Gut's jaw been getting more wide over the years?
So what do you think will the loli witch be able to "tame" Guts' inner beast in the future or will a "tragic accident" happen
Griffith needs to fucking die. I want Guts to somehow make Griffith feel regret and sorrow right before Guts tears him in two. This man has gone through too much suffering...
>griffith required demigod status to attain guts' sloppy seconds
and that's why griffith is still just a punk bitch
Ultimate regret and sorrow are what led Griffith to accept the sacrifice in the first place. Guts is next in line for tragedy, Griffith already had his.
He was just acting like a typical woman. Saying one thing and meaning another.
I think the sorrow will come when he completes his goal, it won't have the satisfaction he's looking for because he basically did it with cheat codes.
Is there any chance of this boat sinking?
That boat is the real villain of Berserk. It won't let Guts get off.
I want to kiss Griffith's soft puffy lips.
I read that as pussy lips.
What's wrong with doing wrong things
What if, Guts rejects Griffith in front of his people and they all get to see him cry like a bitch-nigga.
What's to stop Griffith from just raping him?
You get oldered you jaw gets bigger
Griffith would never care about Guts rejecting him anyway.
Because Griffith doesn't exist anymore.
That's just Femto who looks like Griffith.
He's basically Jesus.
Calling his new demon crew "The Band of the Hawk" was pretty fucked up, considering the fact that he knew Guts was still alive and well
Also, since the apostles serve him, do their misdeeds fall under Griffith's?
The neo-band of the hawk has plenty of human soldiers too.
I'm under the impression that the apostles do little aside from what they're ordered to do, lest one of the stronger soldiers or Griffith himself punish them for it. Griffith keeps them in line through charisma/fear/and human corpses.
GIDF pls go
Homosex is a sin.
isn't that worse? The old man was packing 4 inches but the nigger was packing a solid 10 probably
Actually, there's no evidence Griffith is anything but straight.
>there's not evidence Griffith is anything but straight
Yeah, straight up gay.
Actually, Griffith only had sex for fun with women.
trips confirmed it.
Have these threads always existed or did I just never see them until I read all 333 chapters last weekend?
Seeing as this entire board's just a figment of your imagination I doubt it's the former.
you've been ignoring them. we have been here since the eclipse.
where's the gabagool?
I have a feeling he's pushing Guts to see if he cracks.